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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. The name Vanessa Gim will

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Speaker 1: during the search for Vanessa. That's all wrong. Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our friends at kaw Katie Fox forty four. The disappearance

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Speaker 1: No matter how we try to contact them, whether it

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Speaker 1: I'll see you, Josie. How can I jump in? Yes, please, dude,

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Speaker 1: your son ever complain to you about any harassment on

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Speaker 1: the base, somebody who had it in for him, unfair treatment,

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Speaker 1: something that made him feel uncomfortable. Show he didn't complain

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Speaker 1: about anybody on the base. He was unhappy overall, would

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Speaker 1: be in in the military at this point. He was

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Speaker 1: ready to get out and get on with his life,

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Speaker 1: which it takes to me. It was so obvious this

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Speaker 1: was not suicide. He had no complaint. Prime stories with

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about Gregory wheel Morales. A

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Speaker 1: twenty three year old young man is life ahead of him.

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Speaker 1: His body is found in a shallow grave within a

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Speaker 1: mile of the body the remains of twenty year old

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Speaker 1: Vanessa gain private first class Fort Hood. Fort Hood stonewalled everybody,

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Speaker 1: including us, in the search for Vanessa, and now a

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Speaker 1: second body turns up. How can they not be connected?

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Speaker 1: And take a listen to our friend Alex Gibbs KWTX.

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Speaker 1: The discovery left a solemn feeling as complete strangers sympathize

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Speaker 1: with the family. I am a service member and to

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Speaker 1: just know one that it's about long for them to

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Speaker 1: find a body, and just that literally the body is

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Speaker 1: right there the whole time. So it was scary for

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Speaker 1: these veterans. A feeling from Morris for the soldier and

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Speaker 1: the son who died in a way that no one should.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad for the parents and the family members of

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Speaker 1: the soldier. I'm so glad for you to have some

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Speaker 1: type of closure. I'm glad for you. I'm so sorry

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Speaker 1: that it happened this way. Well, no flowers have actually

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Speaker 1: been left out in the field. Many bystanders have been

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Speaker 1: coming by all day to pay their respects. Army CID

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Speaker 1: has not released an official statement, and there was those

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Speaker 1: people that found more of Gregory's remains that authorities somehow missed.

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Speaker 1: Now listen to Kate xx vs. Abby Lorene. Not only

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Speaker 1: is the Weedel family having to deal with losing a

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Speaker 1: loved one, but now they're having to seek help from

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Speaker 1: Congressman John Carter to help fight and clear Gregory Morales's name.

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Speaker 1: When Gregory Morales disappeared in August twenty nineteen, the US

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Speaker 1: Army put down the reason for his disappearance is having

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Speaker 1: gone a wall, and even after his remains were found

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Speaker 1: in the field on June nineteenth, he is still listed

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Speaker 1: as a dessert. Really frustrating and said because he said

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Speaker 1: he gave his life and was willing to give his

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Speaker 1: life for his country. He was deployed twice and they're

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Speaker 1: just treating him like trash, like he just doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: The family is upset because now the RV is saying

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Speaker 1: the family is responsible for the cost of bringing Morale's

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Speaker 1: home and for the funeral costs. We can't do a

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Speaker 1: military funeral because he's considered a civilian now and a

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Speaker 1: criminal basically, so anything that we want to do we

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Speaker 1: have to pay for ourselves. The life insurance, we don't

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Speaker 1: get the life insurance, and we don't get to bury

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Speaker 1: him with military honors that we wanted to next to

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Speaker 1: his uncle and where his grandpa is a retired major,

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Speaker 1: wants to be buried. Isn't it true to Kim Waitel,

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Speaker 1: this is Gregory's mother that your son earned multiple military awards.

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Speaker 1: He started in Kuwait and Korea. Yes, he received a

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Speaker 1: lot of awards for from doing his job, for doing

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Speaker 1: what he was supposed to do and being above and beyond.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, they just they just threw him away.

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Speaker 1: Where will your son be buried? He will be buried

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Speaker 1: now at Fort Gibson National Cemetery and Fort Gibson, Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: Now that they've changed his status, we will have the

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Speaker 1: funeral here in Sapulpa, Oklahoma, and then he will be

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Speaker 1: transferred to Fort Gibson. Miss Wheedle, I'm so grateful you're

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Speaker 1: with us today, and I know that everything has just

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00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: spent a struggle for you, from the moment he went missing,

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Speaker 1: begging the police, begging Fort Hood to look for him.

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Speaker 1: You live in a different state, He's from Oklahoma. To

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Speaker 1: start with, nobody would cooperate with you. You and your

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00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: family have to find out his car has been put

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Speaker 1: up for sell four months after he goes missing. Then

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Speaker 1: his body is found happenstance because Vanessa again went missing.

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Speaker 1: Then people had to come out to the scene laying

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Speaker 1: flowers and they find his body parts looked over by authorities.

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Speaker 1: Then the fight to get his name cleared. He didn't deserve.

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Speaker 1: He was not a wall. He was murdered and buried

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Speaker 1: in his shallow grave. It's just been nothing but hand

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Speaker 1: to hand mutual combat for you, his mother. You know,

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Speaker 1: at night, when you put your head to the pillow,

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Speaker 1: does it even process? Gregory is gone? You'll never see

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Speaker 1: your boy again? Oh my goodness? Not really. Um. I

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Speaker 1: just keep sorry, UM, I just keep hoping he'll walk

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Speaker 1: through the door, can I tell you, Walt, But up

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Speaker 1: until June night, peace, I got to hope. And now

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Speaker 1: that's God and the fight's super too much, you know,

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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, What is that? I mean? Sometimes I'll be

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Speaker 1: driving along and I think, for an instant, I see

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Speaker 1: my fiance that was murdered before our wedding. I think

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Speaker 1: I see him in the car that passed where I

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Speaker 1: remember a time fifteen years ago. It looked just like

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Speaker 1: Keith passing me in a truck. And I have um

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Speaker 1: dreams about my dad where he's just just beyond this gate,

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Speaker 1: waiting for me to join him. He's and I guess

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Speaker 1: in live, I still expect to see him. What is

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Speaker 1: that about we humans? Nancy? Just because the person's body

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Speaker 1: is gone doesn't mean that the attachment pieces to exist.

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Speaker 1: Kim is still attached to her son. You're attached to

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Speaker 1: your fiancee, to your father, to lost loved ones. We

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Speaker 1: all are. Our brains want that person to be there,

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Speaker 1: but most importantly, our hearts still love, and I think

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Speaker 1: the heart communicates to the brain that that person is

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Speaker 1: still here. I lost my mother a year ago, and

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Speaker 1: I dream about her as if she's still alive. I

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Speaker 1: dream that we're going on a vacation, and it's as

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Speaker 1: if she's still here in my heart. I have a

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Speaker 1: personal belief that our lives go on after we were gone,

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Speaker 1: and that attachments continue for a reason. But I think

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Speaker 1: for Kim Wheedle in particular, she has been subjected to

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Speaker 1: something we call a complicated bereavement. There's actually a diagnosis

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Speaker 1: for that in the field. It's when the circumstances surrounding

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Speaker 1: a person's loss are so traumatic, so difficult, that the

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Speaker 1: whole grieving process is delayed. And remember, the remains were

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Speaker 1: just recently found, so the greeting process has just started.

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Speaker 1: It's been unknown until now you know where he was,

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Speaker 1: so there was still hope. But at this point Kim

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Speaker 1: is right in the sick of the grieving, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's important for her to know that that grieving

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Speaker 1: has no timing, meaning it didn't necessarily start when her

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Speaker 1: beloved Gregory went missing. It may have started when the

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Speaker 1: remains were found, and so she needs to surround herself

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Speaker 1: by love, people who understand, a Greece group, a place

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Speaker 1: where she can process her feelings. Kim Wadel, Gregory's mother,

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Speaker 1: Please know that many people, including my family, pray for

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Speaker 1: you and Gregory in your family, for strength to get

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Speaker 1: through what lays ahead for you, and for peace. At

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Speaker 1: some point. What is your life like now, Kim? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine my life without my son or daughter.

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Speaker 1: I just I don't feel I have any reason to

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Speaker 1: keep living at this point. I have to keep fighting

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Speaker 1: for him and make sure that he's not forgotten them

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Speaker 1: all the other terrible things that are happening in Forthood.

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Speaker 1: My day is stepped on social media, answering questions and

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Speaker 1: talking to people, and I do try to help other

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Speaker 1: people who are going through similar things. But She's right,

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Speaker 1: it's it's like we've lost him twice. We lost him

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Speaker 1: last year and then we lost him again in last month.

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Speaker 1: I just you just have to get up each day

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Speaker 1: and put one foot in front of the other and

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Speaker 1: go on. There's a huge piece of our life missing,

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Speaker 1: you know. That's what I always tell my twins. When

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Speaker 1: you're overwhelmed and you don't know what to do, just

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Speaker 1: take one step and then the other foot will follow.

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Speaker 1: You'll see. You are in our prayers and our thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Please know that, and we pray the Army does the

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Speaker 1: right thing. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off. This homicide

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Speaker 1: is yet to be solved. Goodbye to h