WEBVTT - #455 - Zach Williams on Being an ‘Overnight Success’ After 20 Years

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<v Speaker 1>Still on stage that time at church for the first

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<v Speaker 1>time singing that song. It was the first time that

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<v Speaker 1>I ever felt comfortable on stage in my own skin.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Episode four fifty five with Zach Williams. My

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<v Speaker 2>introduction to Zach was somebody going, hey, how long have

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<v Speaker 2>you known Zach Williams? That this is the opera And

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I don't know Zach Williams. Like voice

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<v Speaker 2>form Mararkansas. So I think people just think we all

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<v Speaker 2>know each other it's all the time. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a terribly small state. It's I mean it's

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<v Speaker 2>I guess smaller, but there's like millions of people that

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<v Speaker 2>live there. Yeah, you don't know everybody. It's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I drove through Arkansas once.

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<v Speaker 3>You know him?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that and I was like, I do not.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I introduced him at the opera. I was

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with his music, but really didn't know his story

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<v Speaker 2>story until he came over, and you know, we'd kind

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<v Speaker 2>of done some research on him. First of all, he's

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<v Speaker 2>just an amazing live performer. That's what I knew from

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<v Speaker 2>watching him perform. And in the intro I had talked

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<v Speaker 2>about like, but I don't write the intro for the Opry.

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<v Speaker 2>So our producer with the Opry, who's awesome, writes the intro,

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<v Speaker 2>and in that intro he was kind of telling me

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<v Speaker 2>a bit about Zach's story and yeah, this dude, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he went through it. Yeah, but he went through it

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<v Speaker 2>in a way of you know, he tried to be

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<v Speaker 2>a rock star, was on the way, but kind of

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<v Speaker 2>just got taken over by the not good parts of

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<v Speaker 2>the road. And what's crazy is it's like when he

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<v Speaker 2>stopped chasing it, it's like when it started chasing him

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<v Speaker 2>back again. And you'll hear all of this in the story.

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<v Speaker 2>This dude's also big tall guy. Yeah from the opery

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<v Speaker 2>he was like twenty feet away, didn't seem that tall,

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<v Speaker 2>but especially in boots, but you know, basketball player. But

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<v Speaker 2>this is that story of somebody who really wanted it,

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<v Speaker 2>went hard at it, probably was good enough to get

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<v Speaker 2>up and made a couple of other decisions that didn't

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<v Speaker 2>allow it and just kind of allowed it just to

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<v Speaker 2>take him to where and now he's back kind of

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<v Speaker 2>to where he wanted to be, but just in a

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<v Speaker 2>different lane. It's a great story. I liked him a

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<v Speaker 2>lot from this stick out to you. I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>just love any story of somebody making it later in life.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just kind of inspiring to me of like even

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<v Speaker 2>if you have a dream that hasn't worked out early, like,

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<v Speaker 2>don't give up on it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got an album one hundred Highways now that's been

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<v Speaker 2>out for about a year and a half or so.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got Live at the Moody Theater Austin City Limits

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<v Speaker 2>that's out, but it's songs that are on other records.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got a children's book that's coming out, which we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about. But it kind of tricked me because, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll hear it. Zach Williams Great. Follow him Zach Williams

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<v Speaker 2>Music on Instagram. And away we go.

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<v Speaker 3>Where to Arkansas? Are you from?

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<v Speaker 2>I am from We're rolling.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're good, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm from a town called Mountain Pine that is central.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about when we would go to town. Town would

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<v Speaker 2>be Hot Springs, oh yeah. And then from Hot Springs

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<v Speaker 2>if you were going to go to any sort of

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<v Speaker 2>touring anything, it was Little Rock, which was an hour away.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Town was where Walmart was the edge Hot Springs, and

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<v Speaker 2>then Little Rock was where the Arkansas travelers they were

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<v Speaker 2>in Little Rocks then yeah, and then uh, anything coming

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<v Speaker 2>through you know, it's cool. And you're from near jones.

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<v Speaker 1>Boro, I'm from Yeah, a little town called Bono. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like twelve hundred people.

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<v Speaker 2>So I played a bunch of baseball, so we'd travel around.

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<v Speaker 2>If you played Legion ball in Arkansas, you pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>go everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>Bono. Bono. Bono was the school Bono. There wasn't one time,

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't remember a Bono school district.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to Bono until second grade, and then there

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<v Speaker 1>was a there was a several schools around that area

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<v Speaker 1>that consolidated and started a high school called west Side

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<v Speaker 1>High School.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was just in the edge of like Jonesboro. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what was the Bono What was the Bono mascot chiefs?

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<v Speaker 2>The Bono Chiefs. Cool, it was like the Bono Sonnies.

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a yeah, I mean a small old town. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but I know where you're from. Hello, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the most punct He's awesome. Hey, all right, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you got here?

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<v Speaker 3>Got you my new children's book? In my new book

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<v Speaker 3>that's passing on over here?

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<v Speaker 2>What's up?

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<v Speaker 3>That's not the actual book, it's just a cover.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's not really the book.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not. It doesn't come out till August.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have given you a pre release. When I

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<v Speaker 2>first looked at that, I was like, this is not

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<v Speaker 2>my hold it up here for the camera. Look, this

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<v Speaker 2>is not the book, but it's going to look something

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<v Speaker 2>like this. Is this the actual size of the book though, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's underneath a little more like Jesus. And then this

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<v Speaker 2>book though, is that you can stay? Are you staying

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<v Speaker 2>or going?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>That's quick? All right, Well, good thanks, good to see

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<v Speaker 2>you appreciate it, made an entrance, made it goodbye, And

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<v Speaker 2>then this is this is your book?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>When did this will come out?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? That came out. I'm trying to think the end

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<v Speaker 3>of April. It's been out. No, end of February. It's

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<v Speaker 3>been out for about a month.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's still new. It's new. So the weird let

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<v Speaker 2>me ask you. I want to come back to the

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<v Speaker 2>the book in a second. But the weird part about

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<v Speaker 2>Arkansas and growing up is that it's it's odd whenever

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<v Speaker 2>someone goes, I'm from here and you don't know the mascot.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I asked what the mascot was. Usually if

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<v Speaker 2>someone comes in and there from like, I'm from this,

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<v Speaker 2>I went to college here. I know them all, but

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know Bono, the Bono Chiefs and now the

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<v Speaker 2>west Side Warriors. Warriors, did you have a warrior mascot

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<v Speaker 2>like dressed up in a suit and what's the dative American?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have to stop?

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<v Speaker 3>We did, and I think they did have to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>All.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it got political there for a little bit. How

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<v Speaker 3>tall are you? Six six? God?

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<v Speaker 2>Dang, I don't realize that you're that big. So we've met, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just making sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we met at the Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was telling them like, I don't know if if

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<v Speaker 2>you remember meeting me, but I remember meeting you absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the things was our like my buddy,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was part of my crew Read the first

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<v Speaker 2>time you were scheduled, his grandma died, so we had

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<v Speaker 2>to like last minute kind of push everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I met him at rehearsals if you maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a month ago before the tour started, and he was.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, whenever Zach comes in, I want to be there,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we rescheduled and then Read's gone again today,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's really going to drive him crazy. I did

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<v Speaker 2>not know you were six six, Yeah, I know you

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<v Speaker 2>played ball.

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<v Speaker 3>Did ye played play a year in college basketball? Right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I went to college for to play and I tore

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<v Speaker 1>my leg up, tore my ankle at my first first season.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to come back to that. So I want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the book for a second. So a

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<v Speaker 2>month why this sits with me is a month is

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<v Speaker 2>when I started to really begin to get feedback about

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<v Speaker 2>the each of my books I had written. Because books

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<v Speaker 2>so different than music. Yeah, if you put a song out,

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<v Speaker 2>people can tell you five minutes later, yeah, love it,

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<v Speaker 2>hate it. It made me feel this way if you

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<v Speaker 2>put a book out, you just sit and wait, because

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<v Speaker 2>it takes a while to Yeah, And it took me

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<v Speaker 2>about a good month to act really start getting thoughtful

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<v Speaker 2>and not I'm not saying nice feedback, but thoughtful feedback

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<v Speaker 2>on people who had actually read it and had taken

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<v Speaker 2>the time to give me feedback on what was good

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<v Speaker 2>or what they felt hit them the hardest or Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So now that you've had the book out of month,

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<v Speaker 2>what are a couple of the stories that you that

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't think would be like ones that people talked about,

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<v Speaker 2>but now that they bring up to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think just an overall general like what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting back, I mean, obviously people. I think people

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<v Speaker 1>are really liking it. I think the thing that people

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<v Speaker 1>are getting out of the book is for when they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know quite how wild I was, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>and the relationship that me and my wife had. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty funny story in there, say funny my wife.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, she put up with a lot for me

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<v Speaker 1>for years, and and there's a story that we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about in there. One night I come home and I

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty messed up, and she'd give me a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good sock in the eye, and I thought I broke

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<v Speaker 1>my I brought my eye socket like an orbital.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And so people are like, I can't believe your wife

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<v Speaker 1>did that. She's a boss, you know. And I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like I probably I deserved it.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I did. But I think the thing that

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<v Speaker 3>people are.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming back and talking to me about I meet them

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<v Speaker 1>at shows and stuff, and they're like, man, your parents,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what an awesome set of parents that you have,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just to continually pray for you and love

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<v Speaker 1>you through this mess that you were going through in

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<v Speaker 1>your life, and just never give up. And so that

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<v Speaker 1>was really the reason why I wanted to write the

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<v Speaker 1>book is because I meet a lot of people before

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<v Speaker 1>and after shows, a lot of grandparents and moms and

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<v Speaker 1>dads who have sons and daughters that struggle and that

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<v Speaker 1>are going through things in their life, and they're just like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't know what to do. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>just keep praying for them, just keep trusting that God

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<v Speaker 1>has a plan for their life. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>was thirty three years old, grew up in church, Dad

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<v Speaker 1>was a worship leader, and I was thirty three before

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<v Speaker 1>I got it figured out, you know, And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>but it took years of prayer for my family, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they just never gave up. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's the takeaway that a lot of people are

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<v Speaker 1>getting from it. And I'm just normal, dude, What did

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<v Speaker 1>you think?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just so interested because you're at that time of

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<v Speaker 2>your book being out, now that people have had time

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<v Speaker 2>to read it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what what did you think the.

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<v Speaker 2>Through line people were going to take from it would be?

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<v Speaker 2>And is it exactly what you thought because mine wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, for the most part, I think they are.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think what I tried to lay out

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<v Speaker 1>in the book was that I'm just normal, Like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a normal guy, you know, just because these things have

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<v Speaker 1>happened to me in my life. And you know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been able to have success as a songwriter and a musician,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's only because I've been obedient to what you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like God has called me to do. Because

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<v Speaker 1>you can look and reading the pages of the book.

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<v Speaker 1>For years of my life, I struggled and I was

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<v Speaker 1>in a rock band, and it wasn't because we weren't

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<v Speaker 1>good enough. It was just because I feel like God

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<v Speaker 1>kept me from those things in my life because he

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<v Speaker 1>knew how I achieved it at a young age or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe gotten those things that at a certain age I

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<v Speaker 1>might not be here today.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I think that.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think people are, you know, realizing that you

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to be perfect and have it all together.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that was the reason for the Cross, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>hoping that's what they're getting from it, because that was

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<v Speaker 1>why I wrote the book.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, do you ever feel, man, I'm being possibly

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<v Speaker 2>too vulnerable here. Yeah, maybe not too but a little

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<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable were you had to even push yourself it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was, Yeah, I mean it was definitely yeah. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>I told it all.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>There were some stories in there that obviously I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>proud of that my parents didn't even know about. But

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, if I'm gonna do it as, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it all.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you run? I was single when I wrote both

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<v Speaker 2>of my books. Nothing Kid's book, As He Cares, but

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<v Speaker 2>that it's not even adult book. That sounds weird, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like porn. But I didn't have anybody that I had

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<v Speaker 2>to like go through.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like my wife.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, if I wrote a book and I was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>write a lot of really personal stuff and I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to include her, I would have like, I have

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<v Speaker 2>a comedy special that we're almost done with, and she

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<v Speaker 2>had a couple of parts in it, but she watched

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<v Speaker 2>it to make sure that she was cool with. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>not only what I was saying that affected her, but

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<v Speaker 2>even her little parts. Did you have your wife read it?

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<v Speaker 2>Your parents read it? Or was it like surprise?

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<v Speaker 1>No? No, No, I actually had my wife my parents

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<v Speaker 1>read the first draft. My wife actually wrote quite a

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<v Speaker 1>bit in there as well, because there's I think maybe

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<v Speaker 1>fourth or fifth chapter. She kind of comes in and

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<v Speaker 1>starts starts telling her side of the stories that I'm telling,

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<v Speaker 1>because she remembered them a whole lot better than I did,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it was kind of that, here's my side

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<v Speaker 1>of the story, and then Krystal would come in and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, here's here's my side, here's what really happened.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's a great idea. Who had the idea actually.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy that helped me write the book, Robert Nolan,

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<v Speaker 1>thought it would be a really cool idea to get

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<v Speaker 1>her perspective, and I think I think it was great,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I think out of through the book,

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<v Speaker 1>like I remember when we sat down and he read

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<v Speaker 1>the book to us after it was completely finished, and

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<v Speaker 1>we were just in tears. I was like, man, what

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<v Speaker 1>a crazy story we have, you know, because I remember

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<v Speaker 1>when I start to write in the book, thinking I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have enough to write about.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody wants to hear me blab around share about my life.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when we finished it, I was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this is really really cool to see what

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<v Speaker 1>God's done in our life, you know. And we come

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<v Speaker 1>from completely different backgrounds, you know, and but it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>worked out.

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<v Speaker 2>So I remember, because we were with the Opery together

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm this part's a little blurry, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>I was on the TV show and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>setting you up from the prompter, right, Was I doing

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<v Speaker 2>an intro for you from the prompter?

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<v Speaker 3>You did?

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then we came. I came by and

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<v Speaker 1>spoke to you after my set for a second, so we.

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<v Speaker 2>Talked side by side for a second.

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<v Speaker 3>We did yeah, because I think Luke Colmbs was coming

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<v Speaker 3>out after me.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you were six six then, Like I purposely

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<v Speaker 2>didn't stand up when you walked in. I didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to feel small, but I remember because I knew that

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<v Speaker 2>you were from Arkansas, and I knew that you were

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<v Speaker 2>I and we'll get into this. I know you were

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<v Speaker 2>a Christian artist, but I didn't know your full story,

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<v Speaker 2>that you hadn't always been and that and that there

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot of struggle that got you to where

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<v Speaker 2>you are now. And my producer was like, hey, like,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know Zach. I was like, I don't know personally,

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<v Speaker 2>but I know what he does. I like his music. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>then now, but I didn't know your previous yeah at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I short story was, you know, I didn't I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>play music at all until college. I went to college,

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<v Speaker 1>went to little school in northwest Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 2>No, your family played music.

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<v Speaker 3>My dad was My dad played music. He was a musician.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, you didn't play at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't play it all. There was a guitar in

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<v Speaker 1>our house growing up as a kid. I walked past

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<v Speaker 1>it every day. Picked up the basketball. That's that was

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<v Speaker 1>my dream. I wanted to play in the NBA one day.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, when I got in trouble my my high

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<v Speaker 1>school year and got in trouble for drug use my

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<v Speaker 1>senior year of high.

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<v Speaker 2>School and lost a couple of basketball scholarships, they expel

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<v Speaker 2>you from school.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was kind of a it was. It was

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<v Speaker 3>a little different than that it was. It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a big ordeal. You know, there was I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you could say because of me and around

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<v Speaker 1>my area. That was when mandatory drug tests for athletes

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<v Speaker 1>started happening the next the next year.

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<v Speaker 3>But we were in our senior year. You know, ebody

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<v Speaker 3>thought we would win this, you know, the state tournament.

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<v Speaker 3>It was. It was a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, we were like eight and one going into

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas break and I got in trouble. For me and

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<v Speaker 1>three other guys that were like the standouts on the

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<v Speaker 1>team got in trouble for drug use. But it was

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<v Speaker 1>like it was it was more it was it was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of one of those things where we were just

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<v Speaker 1>being made an example of because there was a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>More people that were doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it feels like.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we were kind of run through the office

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<v Speaker 1>with the sheriff's deputies and everybody there, and you made

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<v Speaker 1>an example. And and basically when it was all said

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<v Speaker 1>and done, we were we were expelled from school. Law

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<v Speaker 1>you reached out because they put our names in the

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<v Speaker 1>paper and we were all miners and said hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>know there's a lawsuit here. And we went back, had

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<v Speaker 1>a big school board thing, and it when it was

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<v Speaker 1>all said and done, it was like, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to pursue this. We had schools from all the areas going, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if you'll move into our district, you can start on

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<v Speaker 1>our basketball team and played for us, and me and

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<v Speaker 1>my dad thought about it for a minute, tried to

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<v Speaker 1>look for an apartment, didn't work out, and I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>they ended up saying, well, we're just going to suspend

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<v Speaker 1>you guys for ten days from school. But I'd been

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<v Speaker 1>kicked off the basketball team, and I was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to go back, So I dropped out at

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas break, got my ged and three or four days

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<v Speaker 1>later and went to work for my dad who had

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<v Speaker 1>a drywall business, and worked for him for about six months.

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<v Speaker 1>And while I was working for him, I was playing

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<v Speaker 1>in a men's like intermural league and I met a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who said, Hey, I just graduated college a few

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<v Speaker 1>years back from here, and I know the coach really well.

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<v Speaker 3>If if you want to try out for the team,

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<v Speaker 3>I can get you a try out. And he set

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<v Speaker 3>it up and I went up to North Arkansas College

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<v Speaker 3>in Harrison, Arkansas and tried out for the team and

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<v Speaker 3>got a full scholarship, and the next year, pretty much

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<v Speaker 3>right on track, still with you know, my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Moved to play basketball in college. And the day before

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<v Speaker 1>our senior or the day before my freshman season started,

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<v Speaker 1>we were just having like a walk through practice and

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<v Speaker 1>I did lace of my tennis shoes up. We were

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<v Speaker 1>just running some plays and a buddy of mine jumped

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<v Speaker 1>up to shoot a layup and I jumped up and

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<v Speaker 1>blocked it. I landed on his foot and tore all

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<v Speaker 1>the ligaments in my ankle and I was done, that

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<v Speaker 1>landed on the foot and so I was I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounded like a gunshot and it looked like a

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<v Speaker 1>softball had been cut in half and was on the

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<v Speaker 1>side of my ankle. And and so that was the

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<v Speaker 1>year that I didn't have anything going on, and my

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<v Speaker 1>roommate had a acoustic guitar in our apartment and I

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<v Speaker 1>sat on the edge of my bed with a poster

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<v Speaker 1>on the wall had all the guitar chords on it

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<v Speaker 1>and just taught myself.

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<v Speaker 3>How to play.

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<v Speaker 1>And next semester there was a creative writing class that

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<v Speaker 1>was offered, so I took that, started writing school, though yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>stayed in school, played basket playing again, like going yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I played the next season it, so uh, basically I

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<v Speaker 1>just had a lot of free time. And so while

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<v Speaker 1>that was going on, I threw myself into music and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, man, this is this is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>I think, this is what I want to do. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was still partying quite a bit, and I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if I can get good enough at writing songs and

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<v Speaker 1>playing music, I can be a rock star. So I

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<v Speaker 1>played it, played the season, Uh, graduated there with an

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<v Speaker 1>Associates of Arts, transferred back to Arkansas State to get

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<v Speaker 1>a graphic design degree.

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<v Speaker 2>What position did you play at six?

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<v Speaker 3>Six? In college?

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<v Speaker 1>I was I was a two to three guard because

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<v Speaker 1>we ran an offense in high school where I shot

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<v Speaker 1>threes at the top of the key.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was a three point.

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<v Speaker 2>Shooter, so six, So yeah, that's pretty intomazing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was, it was, yeah, And so when I moved

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<v Speaker 1>back to Jonesboro and went to college, I pursued music

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<v Speaker 1>more than I was pursuing my art degree. And after

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<v Speaker 1>you know, plenty of people when you should, you should

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<v Speaker 1>go for this, and you know you're you're a much

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<v Speaker 1>better musician than you are at school. You know, why

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<v Speaker 1>don't you try to do this? And so I dropped

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<v Speaker 1>out with thirty hours left for a bachelor's Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's too. So I mean that's a that's a year.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, another year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and started playing music and writing songs, and by

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<v Speaker 1>the into my twenties, I was in a rock band

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<v Speaker 1>and we were turning all over the country and Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Got a lot of questions. I got a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>questions listening listening just to that. I got a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of questions in general, but just to that, where'd you

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<v Speaker 2>get the chord sheet because I bought the same one

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<v Speaker 2>from Walmart if it's the same one.

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<v Speaker 1>So at the time, it was a it was a

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<v Speaker 1>poster that I bought. I bought it Hastings. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a poster that was on the wall. And I had

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<v Speaker 1>this mel Bay like old like these mel Bay blues

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<v Speaker 1>books and stuff that would teach you how to play

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<v Speaker 1>like blues chords and you know, twelve twelve bar blues

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<v Speaker 1>things like that, and I would just sit there and

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<v Speaker 1>flip through the pages and you know, do all of

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<v Speaker 1>that and got good enough. I think the first like

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<v Speaker 1>tab song I learned how to play was that Blackbird

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<v Speaker 1>by the Beatles. It was just all fingerpicking.

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<v Speaker 2>So hey, mine was like deep purple, Oh yeah, smoke

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<v Speaker 2>on the water, Smoke on the water, like yours is

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<v Speaker 2>like Eli.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I did that, but I'm saying like the first

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<v Speaker 1>real like challenging thing was like I want to learn

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<v Speaker 1>how to play back, you know, Blackbird. But yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>then and then when I started trying to sing, it

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<v Speaker 1>was like knocking on Heaven's Door was like the first

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<v Speaker 1>song I could actually play and sing and.

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<v Speaker 2>At the same time, because there is definitely a coordination

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<v Speaker 2>and so.

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<v Speaker 3>That gave me like I was like, oh I can,

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<v Speaker 3>I can maybe do this.

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<v Speaker 2>When did you do it for the first time for anybody?

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<v Speaker 1>So after I moved back from college, or after I

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<v Speaker 1>moved back from Harrison to Jonesboro, we had like a

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<v Speaker 1>there's a couple of guys in my art class that

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<v Speaker 1>were musicians, and there was like this little art show

0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:33.800
<v Speaker 1>one night, and everybody was doing different things, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Buddy played a couple of songs. It was the first

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<v Speaker 1>time I'd ever played in front of people other than

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<v Speaker 1>like in somebody's garage.

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<v Speaker 2>How'd you feel about that, even the garage playing, the

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<v Speaker 2>first time you played publicly, did it come to you

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<v Speaker 2>somewhat natural? Somewhat Yeah, You're already a perform You're a

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<v Speaker 2>basketball play right, so you're already a performer in a sense.

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<v Speaker 2>People are watching what you do. So it wasn't like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I gotta do it.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a little nerve wrecking, and it still is

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<v Speaker 1>to this day. I mean I still get a little

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<v Speaker 1>little nervous every night I go on stage. But it

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<v Speaker 1>was just it was one of those things where it

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<v Speaker 1>was like I love doing it so much, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was I loved getting feedback from something that I'd written.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know, over the years, you'd write a

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<v Speaker 1>song and then you'd go to a party and somebody

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<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, play that song you wrote like and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, yeah, I actually like that. You

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear it again. So that kind of kept

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<v Speaker 1>me going for, you know, all those years. And then

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<v Speaker 1>what'd your dad say about all this though?

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<v Speaker 2>Because you're working for him, but you go back to

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<v Speaker 2>school and then do you say I'm going to do music.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a crazy coming from Arkansas. If you tell somebody

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna do a you have a creative job. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not that they don't believe in you, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>nobody else does that.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I mean dad was kind of like, you don't,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just pick up a guitar nineteen twenty years

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<v Speaker 1>old to start playing music. It's kind of one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things that you've been you know, And so I

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<v Speaker 1>think he was kind of like, what's going on here?

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<v Speaker 1>And when I started writing songs and started dem on

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<v Speaker 1>out little songs and stuff when studios, he was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like, Oh, you're actually.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty good at this.

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<v Speaker 2>So he could hear you actually being he could hear

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<v Speaker 2>it talent and work, and he.

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<v Speaker 1>Had some friends that he would send him to and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, what do you guys think about this?

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is good, but I'm his dad, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they were like, it's pretty good. So they were,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they were behind me for it.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you do to make money? From twenty three

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<v Speaker 2>to twenty eight twenty nine?

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<v Speaker 1>So I worked full time for my dad who had

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<v Speaker 1>a Drowtwall company, So he stayed on with him, hung

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<v Speaker 1>and finished sheet rock, and then played the little side gigs,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at bars and whatever. And then when I

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<v Speaker 1>was in my late twenties, I joined a band and

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<v Speaker 1>we started playing you know Thursday, Friday, Saturday runs, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>All over you know, Arkansas cover band. Original it was original.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, It's called Zach Williams and the Reformation, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was a Southern rock, classic rock kind of vibe. We

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<v Speaker 1>were big Almann Brothers fans and Black Crows and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and so it kind of had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of that feel. And I wrote two records and recorded

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<v Speaker 1>two records with that band.

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<v Speaker 2>And did you feel any traction?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>We I mean we had we played showcases here in

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<v Speaker 1>Nashville and things like that. And we had signed a

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<v Speaker 1>little booking deal with the company over in Europe and

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<v Speaker 1>played too. We played in twenty ten for a month

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<v Speaker 1>and then went back in twenty twelve and played We

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<v Speaker 1>probably played twenty five shows a month on those two tours.

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<v Speaker 2>And are you guys going so hard?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And we were living hard, and I mean then that

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<v Speaker 1>was the thing that was that was the thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>my parents, you know, hated to see because they hadn't

0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:22.719
<v Speaker 1>raised me lived that way. And you know, they were

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<v Speaker 1>thrilled that I was playing music and so proud that

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<v Speaker 1>I was writing songs. But I was living a lifestyle

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<v Speaker 1>that I wouldn't raised to live. And I knew it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was you know, I felt a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>guilt and shame for that, but I'd got myself into

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<v Speaker 1>a place where I didn't know how to how to

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<v Speaker 1>get out of it. You know, I was I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be that guy and I'd created this persona that

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I got to live up to this.

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<v Speaker 3>This is this is what you do when you're a

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<v Speaker 3>rock star.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have any mentor It's a weird question to

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<v Speaker 2>ask because I didn't, But did you have any mentors?

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<v Speaker 2>At like twenty eight or so. When you're on the road,

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<v Speaker 2>anybody could talk to that had done it before to

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<v Speaker 2>give you advice.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there were some older guys in our hometown

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<v Speaker 1>that were musicians that would jump up on stage and

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<v Speaker 1>play shows.

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<v Speaker 2>But not like traveling touring. No, see, I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I think. That's what sucks, you know, in a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Of times too.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I talked with my dad a lot, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was he was, I mean still is like my

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<v Speaker 1>best friend. We talked a lot on the job site.

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<v Speaker 1>He knew what I was going through. It wasn't like

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't hiding it, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, I guess my point with that is not

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<v Speaker 2>that you didn't have mentors in your life, but professionally speaking,

0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:24.080
<v Speaker 2>you were attempting to do something bigger than what anyone

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<v Speaker 2>in your immediate.

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<v Speaker 3>Life.

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<v Speaker 1>No, right, yeah, I didn't. I didn't have anybody going, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I've I've been there, done that. You showed you this

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<v Speaker 1>a little different. Yes, No, I had nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're just doing that and you're touringru and

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<v Speaker 2>again never toured on the level that you have, but

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<v Speaker 2>even doing stand up, doing country touring Friday Saturdays, come

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<v Speaker 2>back home, I after touring for I don't know, doing

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<v Speaker 2>like forty thirty eight shows not I mean you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about over a third of weekends. You get so freaking

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<v Speaker 2>bored on the road. I used to go, why would

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<v Speaker 2>all these nineties rockers do all these drugs? Yeah? Like

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<v Speaker 2>I would be like, why why would they do here?

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<v Speaker 2>But you get on the road, there is If you

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<v Speaker 2>don't keep something going, you will get run over because

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<v Speaker 2>there is nowhere.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's what happens with so many people,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and it's easy. It happens easily. Like you're

0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:23.960
<v Speaker 3>you're bored. You party because you're bored, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a when you're playing, even if it's just

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<v Speaker 2>twenty people, even if it's for nobody, you still feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you're building something that's like the rush, the hour,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the rush, and you have to meet that with nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you step off.

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<v Speaker 1>Stage and you're just like empty, you're searching you You're

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<v Speaker 1>like I want that again, and you don't get it

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<v Speaker 1>again into you're on stage, or you go out and

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<v Speaker 1>try to party and make it happen.

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<v Speaker 2>And artificially make it.

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<v Speaker 3>YEP.

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<v Speaker 2>Have dealt with a lot of addiction in my family, abuse,

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 2>lots of dead people.

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<v Speaker 3>What for you?

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<v Speaker 2>I got two when did you knows? Number one, when

0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:19.520
<v Speaker 2>did you know you were just gonna do music? You're

0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:23.040
<v Speaker 2>gonna quit your job and you're just gonna really give

0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:25.240
<v Speaker 2>it all you have? Because that's vague? And then number two,

0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:27.359
<v Speaker 2>when did you know that you were going way too

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<v Speaker 2>hard and you had to make a change.

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<v Speaker 3>So the one when I had to make a change

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:36.639
<v Speaker 3>came before when I knew I was going to do

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:38.760
<v Speaker 3>music for a living. So really yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So in twenty twelve, I was I was getting ready

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<v Speaker 1>to leave for Europe for a month, and we had

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<v Speaker 1>about twenty two shows maybe booked in Spain, and we

0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:56.080
<v Speaker 1>were just focusing on Spain. And around that time, me

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.080
<v Speaker 1>and my wife had gotten invited to this church in

0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 1>her hometown, and uh, we had gone and started going

0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:05.199
<v Speaker 1>to this church, and I'd been in I'd just been

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<v Speaker 1>in a place already where I was like, man, I

0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 1>need to do something where I'm going to lose my family.

0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I had three children, I had a little girl on

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<v Speaker 1>the way, and I was getting ready to leave for

0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Europe with this kind of like new like Okay, I

0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:22.320
<v Speaker 1>want to change my life, Like something's got to give here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm tired of being this guy, tired of partying all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. And I left to go on that trip,

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 1>and my wife basically had come to me and was like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if if you can't make some changes for your family,

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:37.639
<v Speaker 1>we're not sticking around anymore. I'm not going to watch this.

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:40.359
<v Speaker 1>You're you're gonna end up killing yourself one day.

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<v Speaker 2>Were the changes the traveling, the touring, or what you

0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:43.639
<v Speaker 2>were doing while you're traveling.

0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:45.679
<v Speaker 1>It was what I was doing while I was traveling,

0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:47.720
<v Speaker 1>while I was touring, It was bringing it home with me.

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:50.560
<v Speaker 1>It was just it was just the lifestyle that I

0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:53.200
<v Speaker 1>was living, and we were we were all sick of it.

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 1>I was sick of it, but I didn't know how

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:56.520
<v Speaker 1>to get out of it. And I knew the only

0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:58.120
<v Speaker 1>way to get out of it would be to leave

0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 1>the band and just walk away from it. And so

0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:04.520
<v Speaker 1>I literally left to go on that tour. And my

0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:08.160
<v Speaker 1>wife tells me this, and I was like just kind

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.359
<v Speaker 1>of one of those like foxhole prayers, you know. I

0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 1>was like, God, if you're real who you say you are.

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:17.080
<v Speaker 3>Prove it. And I didn't have any doubt that he

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.360
<v Speaker 3>was real because I'd grown up at church. I never

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:21.560
<v Speaker 3>doubted that. But I was just like, prove it.

0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:24.920
<v Speaker 1>If you can prove it and it's clear, I'll walk away. Well,

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:28.600
<v Speaker 1>we were two weeks into that tour. We've been partying

0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 1>every night, and we were driving across Spain one day

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 1>on like an eight hour bus ride, and we were

0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:35.880
<v Speaker 1>in a sprinter van and I was listening to John

0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Mayer's Born and Raised album had just come out summer

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:42.120
<v Speaker 1>of twenty twelve, and I was reading Greg Almond's autobiography

0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Across the Bear, and I was just like reading this

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 1>musician that's struggling with his identity and success and lifestyle.

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 1>And I was listening to John Mayer's record, and I

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:54.960
<v Speaker 1>was staring out the bus window and my band guys

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>were all sleeping, and I took my headphones off and

0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 1>closed my book. I was looking out in the window

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:01.440
<v Speaker 1>the buses we were driving on the highway, and this

0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:04.399
<v Speaker 1>guy driving our bus was scanning radio stations up in

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the front, and out of nowhere, it stops on the station.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear this, this Christian song by a band called

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Big Daddy, weave. The song was called Redeemed, and I

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 1>listened to these lyrics over and over, and I was like,

0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:16.920
<v Speaker 1>what in the world. And I go back to my

0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 1>hotel look up these lyrics, and while I was listening

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 1>to the lyrics, I was just like, hmm, that wasn't

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:27.440
<v Speaker 1>a coincidence, you know. And I was like, and I

0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:30.840
<v Speaker 1>just I realized in that moment that I had missed

0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 1>this thing about God that I'd always gotten wrong. I

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:38.600
<v Speaker 1>just thought, growing up as a kid in church, he

0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 1>was just sitting on his throne with his arms crossed,

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:42.800
<v Speaker 1>shaking his head, and everything I did wrong all the time,

0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:45.239
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't realize how much, you know, how much

0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:47.040
<v Speaker 1>God loved me, and that he saw me in a

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 1>way I wouldn't ever be able to see myself. And

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<v Speaker 1>I called Chris, so I said I'm done. I'm coming home.

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:54.040
<v Speaker 1>I said, just don't tell anybody else. I got another

0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:56.480
<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks over here when we get home, and

0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>I said, I'll I'm gonna I'm done. And so I

0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:04.360
<v Speaker 1>came finished that run, came home from Europe and canceled

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:06.840
<v Speaker 1>my shows, quit my band Christal.

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<v Speaker 2>What did they say?

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>They were not happy? It was not good I mean

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:12.600
<v Speaker 1>because we were, you know, we were. We were as

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 1>good as anybody at that time. We were doing shows

0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:17.160
<v Speaker 1>of BlackBerry smoking bands like that, and it was like

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 1>we could have been easily about to sign a record deal,

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.200
<v Speaker 1>and but I was afraid if I didn't get out

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 1>of that band.

0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 3>I was not gonna make it.

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 1>And so I came home June tenth, twenty twelve. My

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 1>wife was getting our kids ready for school. When the

0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:37.200
<v Speaker 1>house was clear, everybody was gone, I walked into my closet,

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:39.000
<v Speaker 1>got the shoes up, cleared them out of the floor,

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:40.400
<v Speaker 1>got on my hands and knees, and just said, God,

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:42.480
<v Speaker 1>can you save me? And I said, I'm sick and

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 1>tired of being this guy. I don't want to do

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 1>this anymore. I don't care if I play music every again.

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:49.720
<v Speaker 1>I just want to be a good husband, good father,

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 1>if you can use me, use me. And man, it

0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 1>was like this weight just instantly lifted, and I was

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:58.720
<v Speaker 1>like and I felt like God was just kind of

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:00.600
<v Speaker 1>in the closet with me, just saying and welcome home.

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 3>And so that was that was where I stopped.

0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 1>And so we found a church, started going to this

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 1>church in her hometown, and six months into going to church. There,

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 1>the worship pastor asked me to lead a song and

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>I sing Redeem for the first time. And I still

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 1>on stage that first time. Yeah, still on stage that

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 1>time at church for the first time, singing that song.

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 1>And it was the first time that I ever felt

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:29.840
<v Speaker 1>comfortable on stage in my own skin. There was no performance,

0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:32.880
<v Speaker 1>there was no look at me, Hey, I can sing good,

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:34.240
<v Speaker 1>look at all the stuff I can do. It was

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 1>just this emotional thing that was attached to and I

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 1>come home until Christ I said, I think this is

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:42.240
<v Speaker 1>what I'm supposed to be doing. And within the year,

0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 1>the church asked me to come to work for him

0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 1>part time and help them launch a campus and become

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 1>a worship leader. And so I started leading worship at church,

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:53.840
<v Speaker 1>and I started writing songs, and I was writing Christian

0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:55.959
<v Speaker 1>music like new things, but I was still writing them

0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:58.320
<v Speaker 1>in kind of my southern country kind of way, and

0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 1>I was testing them out at church on people woman

0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 1>playing them, and I was hearing stories from everybody, and

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, hearing their stories and sharing my stories. And

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 1>so I was writing all these kind of like songs

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:12.000
<v Speaker 1>coming out of these places of my life. And I

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 1>got invited to Nashville by by a guy named Jonathan

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Smith who's a producer here in town and a songwriter.

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 1>And he was actually from my hometown.

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 2>How did he find you? How did he know who

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 2>you were?

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 1>And so they come over to visit for Christmas in

0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:31.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen and I was singing work, I was singing,

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:33.320
<v Speaker 1>I was leading a Christmas service.

0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 2>They came to visit you or the church.

0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 1>They came to visit the church because they were Him

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:39.200
<v Speaker 1>and his wife were both from Jonesboro. Her dad was

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 1>a deacon at the church. They were just coming to

0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>visit family. They decided to come to the service. They

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 1>see this big, tall guy on stage singing and they're like,

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:48.440
<v Speaker 1>who's that guy? We don't know who that guy is.

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Jonathan takes me to coffee. He's like, what's your story.

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:53.920
<v Speaker 1>He's like, you don't sing like that without a story.

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 1>I tell him my story. He says, well, come over,

0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 1>won't we come to won't you come to Nashville and

0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:00.960
<v Speaker 1>write some music? And so a few months later I

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:03.080
<v Speaker 1>started coming over and staying the weekend with him and

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 1>we would write songs. And out of that, out of

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:09.520
<v Speaker 1>that six month time period, we wrote chain Breaker and

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 1>here's a Liar and all these songs that became my

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 1>first album. And and while all that was going on,

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 1>I was still working at the church and the record

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 1>label here in town. Sony Provident heard the demo for

0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>chain Breaker and called me and offered me a record

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 1>deal off of that demo.

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean they heard it?

0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 3>Like?

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 2>How did they get it? Who?

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 1>So I was coming over all the time and they

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 1>were seeing me in the offices, the studios were there

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 1>that we were writing in, and eventually somebody's like, who's

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:41.479
<v Speaker 1>the Who's the tall guy that's coming over here all

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:42.959
<v Speaker 1>the time that's writing with you? And he's like, oh

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:44.960
<v Speaker 1>this you know this guy Namsact that I'm writing with.

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 1>He's the worst leader in Arkansas. You know, just been

0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>writing some music and the a our guy at the label,

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 1>was like, let me hear some of the songs. So

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>he sends them some songs and they flip out over

0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 1>him and play him for the whole staff. And when

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:04.600
<v Speaker 1>the president of the label heard it, they called me

0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:06.479
<v Speaker 1>on on a Wednesday, I was getting ready to lead

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 1>a college worship service at church and called me in

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:11.840
<v Speaker 1>said hey, we want to offer your record deal. I

0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 1>was thirty eight years old, been playing music for twenty

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 1>years of my life, trying trying to kick the door

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 1>in to get a record deal, and then I finally

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:22.400
<v Speaker 1>had stopped trying to get it and I was just doing.

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:23.560
<v Speaker 3>What I felt like I was supposed to be doing.

0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:24.240
<v Speaker 2>That's when it came.

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 3>And then it falls in my lap.

0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 1>And I'm still working part time at the church, still

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:31.280
<v Speaker 1>hearing people talk about how great these songs are, and

0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:32.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of in the back of my mind when

0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I can go out and do

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 1>this again, Like, I don't know if I want to

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:35.760
<v Speaker 1>do this.

0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:37.600
<v Speaker 3>I just want to be a songwriter.

0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:40.960
<v Speaker 1>And so I have a meeting and they're like, man, like,

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:42.760
<v Speaker 1>nobody's going to sing these songs the way that you

0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 1>sing them, So you should probably think about this.

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to lose my train of thought. But

0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:47.960
<v Speaker 2>were you thinking you couldn't do it because or you

0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:50.240
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't do it because of your past experience of doing it.

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was just thinking I didn't know if I

0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:54.480
<v Speaker 1>wanted to go back and get on the road and tour. Yeah,

0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:56.760
<v Speaker 1>And I just didn't I didn't know if I Yeah,

0:33:56.880 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, after talk talking about it for a

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 1>while and meeting with different people in Nashville, and I

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 1>signed my record deal and I was still working at

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 1>the church, living in Arkansas, and one of my first

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 1>big tours was Chris Tomlin's worship Night in America and

0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:15.759
<v Speaker 1>he put me out singing chain Breaker every night and

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:18.400
<v Speaker 1>we were I mean, it was awesome, and I was like,

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:21.160
<v Speaker 1>I might be able to do this and make a living.

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 1>And I remember sitting in Florida at a radio programmers

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:28.919
<v Speaker 1>conference with my booking agent, and I was still living

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:32.239
<v Speaker 1>in Arkansas, was on that tour, and I said, man,

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:33.799
<v Speaker 1>I just want to be able to make enough money

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:37.440
<v Speaker 1>to live. Can you guys figure that out? Help me

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:39.840
<v Speaker 1>do that. If we can do that, I'm happy. And

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:44.400
<v Speaker 1>went long after that church I was working at, let

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:46.320
<v Speaker 1>me play a concert. They sent me away with a

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 1>big chunk of money to helped me get insurance for

0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 1>a year and pay my rent, and I left out

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 1>and went on tour and it's.

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:54.480
<v Speaker 3>Been ever since.

0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:55.840
<v Speaker 2>How you like Chris Tomlin?

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 3>He's great. He was a good dude.

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:00.279
<v Speaker 2>He's like a good dude, right, yeah, he is. He's

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 2>just expectant and I know Chris now, but I just

0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:06.759
<v Speaker 2>expected him and I mean this in the most complimentary way,

0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 2>to be so much better than he is, not that

0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:12.400
<v Speaker 2>he's going to be a better dude, but I you know,

0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:14.960
<v Speaker 2>it's Chris Tomlin. You think he was like better than you, yeah,

0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:16.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, or that you know, it's like if you're

0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:18.960
<v Speaker 2>talking to him, are you talking to Jesus?

0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:20.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like old child.

0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeahh But he's like like he's just a solid guy. Yeah,

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 2>just a solid guy.

0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:26.640
<v Speaker 3>He's a good dude.

0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:27.600
<v Speaker 2>How are those crowds?

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 3>Fourteen fifteen?

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 1>It was like, you know, you get out, you know,

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 1>most stuff ever played for my life was maybe five

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:37.319
<v Speaker 1>six hundred people at a at a club, and then

0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:41.600
<v Speaker 1>you're standing on stage playing you know, a song that

0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 1>everybody is singing back to you, and it's like, what

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 1>is going on?

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 3>You know?

0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:47.959
<v Speaker 1>I was I was traveling at that time when Schaane

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Breaker went number one. I was on a tour singing

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 1>two songs and I was an acoustic and that was

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:55.880
<v Speaker 1>all I was doing. And and that song went number one,

0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 1>and then my second song went number one, and and

0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 1>uh it was It's pretty surreal because I was like, man,

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, people hear of you for the first time,

0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:07.800
<v Speaker 1>and they think you're like overnight success and they just

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 1>don't have any idea of the twenty year grind that

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 1>it's taken and what you've gone through. And so that

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 1>was a big reason too for writing this book. I

0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:17.360
<v Speaker 1>just wanted people to have a little bit of a backstory,

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 1>to know why I write what I write, why I'm

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 1>the guy that I am now versus where I was

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:26.759
<v Speaker 1>in my past, like, and so it's pretty pretty crazy.

0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I feel like the book, even your music, I mean,

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 2>I think it's generally pretty personal. I think a lot

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:34.759
<v Speaker 2>of the stuff that you just been pretty personal. Why

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:38.279
<v Speaker 2>looking for You? Why you said that was the most

0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:41.480
<v Speaker 2>personal song that you have on this last record, on.

0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:42.560
<v Speaker 3>This last record, it is?

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 1>It's this last record is probably one of my It's

0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:49.280
<v Speaker 1>maybe my favorite record I've ever been a part of writing.

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:51.920
<v Speaker 3>You have to say that, yeah, but I mean that.

0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:54.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and it's not been my most successful It's

0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:57.839
<v Speaker 1>it's honestly, you know, it's not been as successful as

0:36:57.920 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 1>chain Breaker and Rescue Story.

0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 2>That's okay, I mean, I feel like you have. But

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 2>you have to feel like your last record is your

0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 2>favorite because you wrote it the most recent it, Like,

0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:06.719
<v Speaker 2>is that a better representation of who you are now?

0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:08.960
<v Speaker 3>I did, but I think I wrote it this time.

0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 1>I just wrote the songs I wanted to write, and

0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I said what I wanted to say, and I produced

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:15.359
<v Speaker 1>them the way I wanted to produce them. I wasn't

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:17.480
<v Speaker 1>trying to make them feel like they had to fit

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:20.239
<v Speaker 1>a format for radio or anything, just like, I want

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:21.400
<v Speaker 1>this to be what I want it to be.

0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:23.239
<v Speaker 3>And so.

0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:27.920
<v Speaker 1>But but looking for You is that that song for

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:30.920
<v Speaker 1>me that's like it just kind of says it. It's

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:34.800
<v Speaker 1>it's you know it it tells the story of the

0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 1>road that I've been on for so many years and

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:40.160
<v Speaker 1>in my past and what I've gone through, and you know,

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:42.399
<v Speaker 1>I grew up and I kind of said it will

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:44.680
<v Speaker 1>to go. You know, I grew up every night playing

0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 1>music on stages when I was in the band, smoky

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:51.000
<v Speaker 1>bars and nightclubs, and it was great for two or

0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:52.759
<v Speaker 1>three hours while you're on stage, and then you'd step

0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:56.640
<v Speaker 1>off and you'd be empty, and you know, drugs, alcohol, relationships,

0:37:56.960 --> 0:37:59.919
<v Speaker 1>chasing fortune, famous all that, like what can make that better?

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 1>What can make me feel better? And and it did

0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:04.319
<v Speaker 1>for a season. You know, it was like and then

0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:06.640
<v Speaker 1>that goes away, and and my dad when I was

0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 1>working for him on the construction site. We would sit

0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:10.879
<v Speaker 1>down on these job sites and he would it would

0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:13.239
<v Speaker 1>always tell me, he would say, hey, I don't I

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:15.080
<v Speaker 1>don't have an answer for you other than Jesus, like

0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:17.319
<v Speaker 1>you need to get your life together. And I didn't

0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:18.719
<v Speaker 1>want to hear it at the time, but I knew

0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 1>he was telling the truth. And I used to hear

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:23.360
<v Speaker 1>this saying as a kid, it's the first place you

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 1>find something is always the last place you look for it.

0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I've tried everything else, but Jesus

0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:31.480
<v Speaker 1>might as well give it a shot. And and it

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:33.160
<v Speaker 1>was like when I got in that place in my

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 1>life and I, you know, I was like, God, can

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:39.160
<v Speaker 1>you help me out? He was there and I realized

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:41.839
<v Speaker 1>all my life I've been looking for him, like all

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:43.600
<v Speaker 1>those things that I've been trying to find, to feel

0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 1>that hole that was actually in search of him.

0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:45.799
<v Speaker 2>And so.

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:48.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when I played that song for.

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Dolly, she was like, I was going there next, Yeah, dude,

0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 2>she was.

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:54.719
<v Speaker 1>We were in Dollywood working on her Christmas Christmas thing,

0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:56.400
<v Speaker 1>and she asked me what I was working on, and

0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:58.840
<v Speaker 1>I told her that I told her this record, and

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:01.120
<v Speaker 1>I said, I actually got the title from it from

0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 1>this song called looking for You. I said, there's a

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:05.800
<v Speaker 1>lyric that says, down one hundred highways of empty pursuit

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:07.920
<v Speaker 1>and a thousand foolish things I went through. Didn't know

0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:09.479
<v Speaker 1>it back then, but now I do. I was looking

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:11.640
<v Speaker 1>for You and she's like playing the song, and so

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I play it for and she's.

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:14.959
<v Speaker 2>I mean, is there a little bit of pressure again?

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:17.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, you're good? There was, but it's Dolly.

0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:20.319
<v Speaker 1>It was Dolly, but she was Dolly has a way

0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:22.920
<v Speaker 1>of like making you feel like you're the only person

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 1>in the room. And she she is so down to

0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:27.919
<v Speaker 1>earth and so humble and just so so much fun.

0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:30.520
<v Speaker 1>She's like the I've told people she's like the the

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:33.759
<v Speaker 1>fun ant at Christmas that everybody wants to see and

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:34.279
<v Speaker 1>hang out with.

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:34.759
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 2>It's like she's very warm and you always feel valued.

0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And just to even make it even better, that

0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 1>day while all this was going on, were I was

0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 1>on a keto diet. A couple of her guys on

0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:47.200
<v Speaker 1>crew were on a keto die and she's like, she's like,

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:49.160
<v Speaker 1>you know what we do? She was like, it's really good.

0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:51.040
<v Speaker 1>She's like, they got these poor crowns here at Dollywood.

0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:52.560
<v Speaker 1>She was like, and I make this blue cheese dip

0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 1>and we eat poor crands and blue cheese when.

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 3>We're on Keto.

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:56.960
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh yeah, and she's like, yeah,

0:39:57.120 --> 0:39:58.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna send somebody out to get the stuff and

0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:01.160
<v Speaker 1>i'll make it for you. So she sends somebody out

0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 1>to get all this stuff and we're sitting there eating

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:05.399
<v Speaker 1>poor grinds and blue cheese dip that she just made,

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:07.920
<v Speaker 1>and and I'm about to play my song. And so

0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I played the song and she's like coming along harmony

0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:12.600
<v Speaker 1>parts and I was like, oh, that's really cool. And

0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:15.479
<v Speaker 1>then as the song's finished, and she's like wiping tears

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:17.400
<v Speaker 1>out of her eyes and she slaps me on the

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 1>leg and she's like, Zacht. She said, that's beautiful. She

0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:21.719
<v Speaker 1>said why didn't you ask me to sing on that one?

0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:24.560
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I didn't know if you'd want to,

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:26.480
<v Speaker 1>and she was like, well, I thought we did pretty

0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:29.120
<v Speaker 1>good on the first one. And I was like, you're right,

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:32.480
<v Speaker 1>and I still thought she was joking. And so a

0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:35.439
<v Speaker 1>year later, we were trying to decide what we wanted

0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:37.360
<v Speaker 1>to do as a you know, a last single on

0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:39.680
<v Speaker 1>this record, and I said well, Dollie did say she

0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:41.759
<v Speaker 1>would sing on it, and I didn't know if she

0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:42.279
<v Speaker 1>really would.

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a weird thing to follow through. Yeah, like

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:47.200
<v Speaker 2>follow up on it because you're like, yeah, I didn't

0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:49.799
<v Speaker 2>know said but again it's you're in like the moment.

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:50.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I did.

0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 1>We we we reached out to her on like a

0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Thursday Friday. She said, yeah, send it over Monday. She

0:40:57.760 --> 0:40:59.840
<v Speaker 1>sent it back and it was done with her vocals,

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:00.880
<v Speaker 1>like over the weekends.

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:01.239
<v Speaker 3>She did it.

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:04.960
<v Speaker 2>What's really cool, first of all is that and that

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 2>you have and have have had a relationship with Dollie.

0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 2>But secondly, you've want a Grammy with Dolly? Yeah, like

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:13.640
<v Speaker 2>that kind of trumps everybody that kind of Trump's stories

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:15.600
<v Speaker 2>of like doing charity work with Dollar, Like you want

0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:17.600
<v Speaker 2>a Grammy? Like that's awesome.

0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:20.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's man, I know it was.

0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:22.800
<v Speaker 2>Does the Grammy have your names on it?

0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:23.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:25.680
<v Speaker 2>So you on your Grammy. It's like in the car.

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:27.000
<v Speaker 2>It has pretty cool man.

0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:29.320
<v Speaker 1>What was wild though, is that day you know that

0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:32.040
<v Speaker 1>we that was nearing COVID. So the Grammys were a

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:34.360
<v Speaker 1>lot different that year, and we had a little Grammy

0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:40.080
<v Speaker 1>party at my house and we were supposed to supposed

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:43.600
<v Speaker 1>to have like found out like late in the afternoon

0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:46.400
<v Speaker 1>when the when it was going to be announced, and

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 1>I had all these people coming over to my house

0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:49.640
<v Speaker 1>and we were all gonna be sitting there watching it

0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:51.759
<v Speaker 1>at the same time. And then they were like, no,

0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:53.920
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna announce it early. So they were going to

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:55.200
<v Speaker 1>announce mind like noon.

0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:57.960
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, oh, man, if we lose this,

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:00.480
<v Speaker 3>this party's gonna say like this is good to be bad.

0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:01.680
<v Speaker 3>All these people showing up.

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 1>And when they announced it, they announced Casey Bethard's name first,

0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:08.240
<v Speaker 1>and I thought, oh, we freaking lost.

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:10.759
<v Speaker 3>And now I was like, wait a minute. He wrote

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:11.279
<v Speaker 3>the song with me.

0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:13.279
<v Speaker 1>I was like, we won, like and it was just

0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:16.279
<v Speaker 1>like and so I call Casey, Me and Jonathan call

0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:18.879
<v Speaker 1>Casey and he's like he's in Florida on the beach

0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:22.520
<v Speaker 1>making a sandwich in his beach house and I'm like, hey, dude,

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 1>we just want to Grammy and he was like, are

0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:26.840
<v Speaker 1>you kidding me? He wasn't even watching it. I was

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:29.919
<v Speaker 1>just like, yeah, that's that sounds a bit like him. Dang,

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:31.239
<v Speaker 1>that's it was really cool.

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:34.960
<v Speaker 2>It's really cool. It's it's super cool that again, I

0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:39.240
<v Speaker 2>would just be my neurosis would go. I know Dolly

0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:42.200
<v Speaker 2>said that, but did she really mean it? That's exactly

0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:43.920
<v Speaker 2>what I don't want to like bother her because I

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:45.040
<v Speaker 2>already have a good relationship.

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:45.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was.

0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's been so she's been so sweet to us,

0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:53.200
<v Speaker 1>like we we go down and rehearsing her place down

0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:55.040
<v Speaker 1>in Lavern, Like it's just she's been like, hey, if

0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:57.920
<v Speaker 1>you guys want to come down and use it for rehearsals, Like,

0:42:57.920 --> 0:42:58.520
<v Speaker 1>are you serious?

0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:02.360
<v Speaker 2>She's like yeah, wow, she just sent So I have

0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:07.000
<v Speaker 2>the these little funkos, which I've only been introduced lately

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 2>to the funko culture. Are you familiar with the funko?

0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:10.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that is, Mike, will you hand

0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:13.080
<v Speaker 2>me the Dollie funk so I have? Again, I didn't

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:15.239
<v Speaker 2>know what they were, but that as like something my

0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:20.759
<v Speaker 2>kids might probably athletes have them, celebrities have them. And

0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:25.000
<v Speaker 2>so I bought a few Dolli ones and so this

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 2>is a Dolly one and I sent them over to

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:27.279
<v Speaker 2>her and she signed them for me, and then I

0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:29.879
<v Speaker 2>auction them off for a Saint Joy. I've yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:33.719
<v Speaker 2>but they don't come signed, and Dollie doesn't have any

0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:34.960
<v Speaker 2>sign you can get. But I just sent him over

0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 2>and she sent him back all signed. I mean, it

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:39.120
<v Speaker 2>was like, and I don't want to ask her to

0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:41.279
<v Speaker 2>do anything, but I know that if it happens to

0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:44.759
<v Speaker 2>do with something like nice or good, she's gonna do it.

0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, But it's still like, I don't want to

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:49.480
<v Speaker 2>bother her, but she's yeah, No, she's awesome. She's on

0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:50.280
<v Speaker 2>my comedy special.

0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:51.439
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's great.

0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:52.080
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy.

0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:54.719
<v Speaker 1>She was telling me she's got a she was telling

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:57.400
<v Speaker 1>me she's got a Broadway musical coming out in twenty

0:43:57.520 --> 0:43:57.960
<v Speaker 1>twenty five.

0:43:58.000 --> 0:43:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure to be a massive success and it deserves

0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:00.160
<v Speaker 2>to be.

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:13.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the Bobby Cast will be right back. This is

0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 5>the Bobby Cast.

0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:15.960
<v Speaker 2>You have a bunch of land.

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:18.360
<v Speaker 3>We've got almost twenty five acres.

0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:20.040
<v Speaker 2>What do you do with it? And is it all

0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:22.960
<v Speaker 2>liveable or is it some of it just like no,

0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:24.279
<v Speaker 2>So I.

0:44:24.320 --> 0:44:27.120
<v Speaker 1>Guess from the road to our house is about a

0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:29.080
<v Speaker 1>quarter mile, and then from our house to the back

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:31.200
<v Speaker 1>of the property is about a quarter mile. And coming

0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:35.000
<v Speaker 1>up the road, it's it's been cleared out and it looks,

0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:36.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, it looks nice coming up and then there's

0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:37.759
<v Speaker 1>about five acres around the.

0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:40.400
<v Speaker 2>House that we have woods woods around, and then behind

0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:42.680
<v Speaker 2>it is it's thick.

0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I had a guy come in with the excavator and

0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:47.399
<v Speaker 1>just cut me a trail all the way around where

0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:48.960
<v Speaker 1>we could ride side by side of the four wheaders

0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:51.680
<v Speaker 1>and then our property backs up to this creek that

0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 1>is great for like small mouth bass fishing.

0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:57.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you stalked upon No, it's.

0:44:57.200 --> 0:45:00.399
<v Speaker 1>It's it's like literally, it's it's wide enough. It looks

0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:02.120
<v Speaker 1>like a river where we're at, so you can get

0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:04.040
<v Speaker 1>into kayak and fish it, or you can just go

0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:07.879
<v Speaker 1>down and fish. It's like, what's this one horse? It's

0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:10.120
<v Speaker 1>the creek's called Rutherford Creek, and I'm not sure what

0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:10.960
<v Speaker 1>it runs off of.

0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:15.239
<v Speaker 2>You don't have to stock it because it's just no

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:19.000
<v Speaker 2>and it I mean it runs for miles through So

0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:21.480
<v Speaker 2>that's basically a river.

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:23.880
<v Speaker 3>No, it's it's basically like a river, but they call

0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:24.719
<v Speaker 3>it Rutherford Creek.

0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:25.839
<v Speaker 2>How old your oldest kid?

0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Our oldest is twenty five, twenty fourteen and eleven. They

0:45:32.440 --> 0:45:35.080
<v Speaker 1>read the book, I don't know if they've read it

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:35.400
<v Speaker 1>or not.

0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:39.359
<v Speaker 3>They lived it. Yeah, yeah, I mean my I think

0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:40.280
<v Speaker 3>my youngest.

0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:42.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if my wife has or not, but

0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:47.040
<v Speaker 1>we we've talked about playing the audio book for him,

0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 1>just to let them know we haven't kept secrets. I mean,

0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:54.560
<v Speaker 1>our kids know our stories in our lives. So but

0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:58.200
<v Speaker 1>the biggest reason why I wanted because I almost didn't

0:45:58.280 --> 0:45:59.239
<v Speaker 1>do the audio version.

0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:01.320
<v Speaker 3>I was just so nervous about it. You know, I'm like,

0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:02.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't like.

0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:04.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm for one, I don't like to read a lot

0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:09.640
<v Speaker 1>unless it's like an article that I'm interested in. Books

0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:12.920
<v Speaker 1>typically not, I just don't finish them, do to see

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:15.920
<v Speaker 1>the movie. And then I'm like, reading out loud is

0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:19.719
<v Speaker 1>a totally different thing than reading to yourself. And I

0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:20.960
<v Speaker 1>was just like, man, I don't want to do this,

0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:23.680
<v Speaker 1>and I have myself talked out of it. And then

0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:25.560
<v Speaker 1>and my wife talked and I was like, you know,

0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:28.920
<v Speaker 1>when I'm dead and gone, this will live forever and

0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:31.359
<v Speaker 1>my children and their grandchildren can hear my voice tell

0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 1>my story. So me and my wife both did the

0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:35.360
<v Speaker 1>reading of it.

0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:36.839
<v Speaker 3>I good for you. It was really cool.

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:37.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm glad. It's hard.

0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:39.120
<v Speaker 3>It's tough, man.

0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:41.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you have to get this stumbled on words

0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:43.120
<v Speaker 1>that you say every day, and you're just like, why

0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:44.040
<v Speaker 1>can't I say this right now?

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:44.880
<v Speaker 3>It's the weirdest thing.

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:46.920
<v Speaker 2>And also it's like sometimes you'll say a word so

0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:49.480
<v Speaker 2>much and like if you just said the word blooney

0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:51.239
<v Speaker 2>over and over again, then blowney doesn't feel like a

0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:53.000
<v Speaker 2>real word. You like baloonney. But then you come with

0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:54.360
<v Speaker 2>all the words while you're reading a book and no

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:56.920
<v Speaker 2>word feels real because you've just been reading. And I

0:46:57.040 --> 0:46:58.560
<v Speaker 2>talked for a living, and reading the book was the

0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:00.800
<v Speaker 2>weirdest thing because you're also trying to read it like

0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:01.400
<v Speaker 2>a human.

0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:04.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I did it every the two nights, the two

0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:06.920
<v Speaker 3>days that I read. I would set up every night

0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:10.320
<v Speaker 3>and read it to my wife in bed, the chapters

0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:11.520
<v Speaker 3>that I was going to read the next day, just

0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:12.720
<v Speaker 3>so I would kind of have it fresh.

0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Then I would go in and do it, and it

0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:16.600
<v Speaker 1>just felt so weird. And then you got this lady

0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:19.840
<v Speaker 1>in your ear going try it this way read it, and.

0:47:20.080 --> 0:47:21.120
<v Speaker 2>They would do that to me. I'll be like, but

0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:22.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't say it like that.

0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:25.480
<v Speaker 1>There's one part of the book that I tell a

0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 1>story about me and my dad and it was a

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:30.320
<v Speaker 1>lunch break and I was eating the can of Viiny

0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:33.439
<v Speaker 1>sausages and I call him VIENI. A lot of people

0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:35.960
<v Speaker 1>say Vienna, and the lady stops me and she's like, hey,

0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:39.360
<v Speaker 1>it's Vienna, and I'm like, not where I was, not

0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:41.680
<v Speaker 1>where I come from. I was like, I call it Vienie.

0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:42.880
<v Speaker 1>I was like, and I'm going to leave it that

0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:45.080
<v Speaker 1>way in the book. And so everybody gives no hard time,

0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:48.960
<v Speaker 1>but but it was it was a yeah, that's good.

0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:50.920
<v Speaker 2>What about the kid's book? A little more like Jesus?

0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:53.920
<v Speaker 3>So that's that's a that's a book based off of

0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:57.440
<v Speaker 3>the Fruits of the Spirit. It's a book that kind

0:47:57.480 --> 0:48:00.480
<v Speaker 3>of kind of came out of my song less like Me.

0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:02.680
<v Speaker 3>I have a song called uh and that's it's a

0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:04.920
<v Speaker 3>little more log Jesus. That's a little less like Me.

0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:08.800
<v Speaker 1>And so this idea for a children's book kind of

0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:11.080
<v Speaker 1>came up because I just remember being, you know, in

0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:13.279
<v Speaker 1>church as a kid and and reading the Fruits of

0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:14.560
<v Speaker 1>the Spirit. So it was kind of one of those

0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:16.880
<v Speaker 1>little I think it's from like maybe from four to

0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:17.520
<v Speaker 1>eight year olds.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have to look at a bunch of illustrators

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<v Speaker 2>and pick the and and like to pick the style.

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<v Speaker 3>The Yeah, we went through all of that went through.

0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I had I pulled a bunch of books from like

0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:31.879
<v Speaker 1>the books that we had at home from our kids

0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:35.000
<v Speaker 1>that I always remembered like reading them to my kids,

0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:38.239
<v Speaker 1>And I sent the screenshots of them in and who

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:41.200
<v Speaker 1>the illustrators were, and then they they were like, Okay,

0:48:41.239 --> 0:48:43.160
<v Speaker 1>here's some that kind of resemble that, or here's some

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:44.880
<v Speaker 1>people that we work with. What do you think And

0:48:44.960 --> 0:48:47.680
<v Speaker 1>we near down like four people before we went and

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:49.800
<v Speaker 1>found them on we like And then that to me

0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:51.720
<v Speaker 1>was kind of cool to'll seend myself as the cartoons.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have any notes on yourself?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I just I just sent a couple of pictures

0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:57.759
<v Speaker 3>over and they came up with that.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I feel like they always air on the

0:48:59.560 --> 0:49:02.640
<v Speaker 2>positives I don't have. I don't have your whole books.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you look like all your pictures.

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<v Speaker 2>But for me, I feel like they gave me some liberty,

0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:09.200
<v Speaker 2>some like yeah nice fun they made they feel good,

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:12.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah liberty. I feel like that's generally what they do.

0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:13.800
<v Speaker 2>They don't want to make you feel worse about yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Now they did a good job. I feel good about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So four to eight is where you put this? I

0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:21.600
<v Speaker 2>don't I don't this book. It's not even the real book.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm over here.

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<v Speaker 3>Just guessing it's not a real book. That's just the cover.

0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:25.000
<v Speaker 3>You have.

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<v Speaker 2>You seen the fully finished, so you don't even have it.

0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:29.200
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't even have it. Like all we have

0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:32.359
<v Speaker 1>right now is the cover. I've seen the pages. I've

0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:34.680
<v Speaker 1>seen the pages, you know, in like PDF form. But

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<v Speaker 1>the book comes out the end of August. Hop on

0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:40.160
<v Speaker 1>board for a rolic in journey of sharing and love.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all called to be more like Jesus, but it

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<v Speaker 2>can be hard to understand exactly what that means. In

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<v Speaker 2>this picture book from acclaimed Christian music artist Zach Williams,

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<v Speaker 2>kids joined an exciting bus trip to discover the fruits

0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:58.839
<v Speaker 2>of the spirit and learn how showing a little more love, patience, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness,

0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:01.359
<v Speaker 2>and self control can make a big difference for those

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<v Speaker 2>around them and help them live a little more like Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>With rhymes, It's cool, it turned it turned it really good.

0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:11.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm proud of it.

0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:13.440
<v Speaker 2>I had goals in making mine rymen. I quit, I

0:50:13.520 --> 0:50:15.600
<v Speaker 2>quit the Rymen, and I was like, I stopped it.

0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:19.279
<v Speaker 2>With rhyming text based on Zach's hit song A Little

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<v Speaker 2>Less Like Me and vibrant, engaging illustrations, young readers will

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<v Speaker 2>be inspired to connect deeper with God and begin to

0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:28.399
<v Speaker 2>grow into the person God created them to be. I'm

0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:30.279
<v Speaker 2>excited for the first time you see the full book together.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a really it'd be a really cool moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Just getting this is super cool.

0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:34.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:35.960
<v Speaker 1>And I got it and my manager hands it to

0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:37.600
<v Speaker 1>me and I started flipping through it and I was like, dude,

0:50:38.400 --> 0:50:40.320
<v Speaker 1>they messed this up. This is not my book. And

0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:41.759
<v Speaker 1>he said, oh, no, that's not your book. He's like,

0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:43.400
<v Speaker 1>I just they just put it on a thing so

0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:44.279
<v Speaker 1>you can see what it looks like.

0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:47.879
<v Speaker 3>Dude, they printed the wrong like they printed it wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen. I'm a big fan. I was a big fan

0:50:52.680 --> 0:50:55.040
<v Speaker 2>of just your music before I even knew your story.

0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:57.640
<v Speaker 2>You know, I think, how long have you lived here

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<v Speaker 2>now in Nashville.

0:50:59.040 --> 0:51:05.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh, we move tier in two thousand and seventeen, so a.

0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Year are we four?

0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:07.359
<v Speaker 3>War?

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<v Speaker 2>So?

0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:09.640
<v Speaker 3>Like what years?

0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:09.799
<v Speaker 2>Even?

0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:10.040
<v Speaker 3>Six?

0:51:10.120 --> 0:51:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Seven years?

0:51:11.280 --> 0:51:12.040
<v Speaker 3>Seven years? Yeah?

0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:15.560
<v Speaker 2>You get here. This is my short version of living

0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:17.520
<v Speaker 2>in Nashville. You get here and you're like, wow, this

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:19.640
<v Speaker 2>is Nashville. Our dreams are made. And then you get

0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:23.640
<v Speaker 2>really jaded, and then you start to realize, why am

0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:26.560
<v Speaker 2>I letting myself be so jaded on stuff. And I'm

0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:28.880
<v Speaker 2>getting to the point now where I'm reaching that I

0:51:28.920 --> 0:51:30.680
<v Speaker 2>don't need me to be that jaded on stuff anymore.

0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:32.680
<v Speaker 2>What I care about I care about, and what I don't,

0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:34.880
<v Speaker 2>I just kind of let it do its thing. And

0:51:35.080 --> 0:51:37.719
<v Speaker 2>so the version of your story that I knew was

0:51:38.000 --> 0:51:40.680
<v Speaker 2>I just knew your music and your current story. Yeah,

0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:42.600
<v Speaker 2>because there's a there's a million stories, and I just

0:51:42.640 --> 0:51:46.160
<v Speaker 2>hadn't got into yours. But then when I started reading

0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:50.000
<v Speaker 2>up on you and learning, and man, it's so admirable

0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:57.200
<v Speaker 2>the decisions that you were forced to make to have

0:51:57.600 --> 0:52:00.279
<v Speaker 2>a quality life for you and your family then that

0:52:00.360 --> 0:52:05.239
<v Speaker 2>you made because I say, Forrest, it's like, you don't

0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:07.160
<v Speaker 2>have to actually do it, but if you don't, things

0:52:07.280 --> 0:52:09.600
<v Speaker 2>tend to not enda.

0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:11.799
<v Speaker 3>I knew we were always headed in if I had

0:52:11.960 --> 0:52:13.360
<v Speaker 3>and that was my that was kind of my It

0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:14.480
<v Speaker 3>was tough, trust me, man.

0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:18.080
<v Speaker 1>It was splitting up that band was was awful. Like

0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:20.160
<v Speaker 1>I just you know, you've been in a band with

0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:22.080
<v Speaker 1>five guys for several years. It was like a it

0:52:22.200 --> 0:52:22.880
<v Speaker 1>was like a divorce.

0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:26.520
<v Speaker 2>They still resent you or do they understand?

0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:29.080
<v Speaker 3>I think they are both. I think they there's a

0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:30.000
<v Speaker 3>little of both.

0:52:30.040 --> 0:52:32.160
<v Speaker 1>I think they understand obviously when I had to make

0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:33.960
<v Speaker 1>those decisions, we're all in a different place in our

0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:34.480
<v Speaker 1>lives now.

0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:38.480
<v Speaker 3>I think it still hurts. I mean, it's still it

0:52:38.520 --> 0:52:40.759
<v Speaker 3>still hurts me sometimes to think about.

0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:44.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, you just understand why they can be upset though, Yeah.

0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely absolutely, But I mean at the time I walked

0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:50.120
<v Speaker 1>away and I was like, I'm not gonna explain why.

0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:52.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm just this is for myself and my family and

0:52:52.480 --> 0:52:54.799
<v Speaker 1>I need to do this. And I literally put music

0:52:54.840 --> 0:52:57.200
<v Speaker 1>down for like six or seven months after I quit.

0:52:57.320 --> 0:52:58.600
<v Speaker 1>I was just like, I don't even know if I

0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:00.880
<v Speaker 1>want to play music anymore. And then it was when

0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:02.279
<v Speaker 1>we were going to the church and that the guy

0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:03.560
<v Speaker 1>was like, hey, once you sing a song, and I

0:53:03.640 --> 0:53:05.239
<v Speaker 1>was like, it's almost.

0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Like you started over. I mean, it is like you

0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:12.560
<v Speaker 2>started over, but it's okay, you're done, except we're gonna

0:53:12.600 --> 0:53:15.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of put you on level one again. But you're

0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:17.040
<v Speaker 2>not doing it for the same reason, but you're doing

0:53:17.080 --> 0:53:18.200
<v Speaker 2>it again, you know.

0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:21.799
<v Speaker 3>No, I'm thankful that it didn't happen, you know then,

0:53:21.920 --> 0:53:23.759
<v Speaker 3>because like I said, I probably wouldn't be here. But

0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:27.520
<v Speaker 3>I do feel like I feel like God allowed me

0:53:27.600 --> 0:53:31.120
<v Speaker 3>to live through that and and have that life so

0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:34.880
<v Speaker 3>that I could stand on stages now and talk about

0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:36.239
<v Speaker 3>what he's done in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>You feel the pressure to sing though, at church every

0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:39.560
<v Speaker 2>time now, because if I had your talent and skill

0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:41.320
<v Speaker 2>and I was knowing, it would be like being a

0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:43.160
<v Speaker 2>singer and being at a wedding. They'd be like, you,

0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:44.279
<v Speaker 2>I get up and do a song.

0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:45.200
<v Speaker 3>No, hot, don't man.

0:53:45.280 --> 0:53:47.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm like if I'm like, I just want to be

0:53:47.000 --> 0:53:48.440
<v Speaker 1>at church and my family. I don't want to sing.

0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do anything.

0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:51.320
<v Speaker 2>But I'll be looking at you like, are you not

0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:51.880
<v Speaker 2>gonna get out there?

0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:52.560
<v Speaker 3>You're not gonna sing?

0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:57.239
<v Speaker 2>What's crazy too, though, is this is a town where

0:53:57.280 --> 0:53:58.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people are really good. It's a town

0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:02.600
<v Speaker 2>where a lot of people are actually great. But still

0:54:03.000 --> 0:54:04.560
<v Speaker 2>you can go to church and it's it's almost like

0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:06.279
<v Speaker 2>the people singing at church are as good or better

0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:10.000
<v Speaker 2>than this. Yeah, it's if you were just to go

0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:12.000
<v Speaker 2>to church and go some of these churches here, this

0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:14.560
<v Speaker 2>is what Nashville is. People will be blown away because

0:54:14.680 --> 0:54:18.920
<v Speaker 2>the singers and the artists that play there are at

0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:21.279
<v Speaker 2>times better than a lot of the top tier artists

0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:22.600
<v Speaker 2>that play played My shirt.

0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:25.080
<v Speaker 3>Everywhere I remember Eastern Sunday. I was still my wife.

0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:28.120
<v Speaker 3>I was like, those girls are really good, like elite level.

0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:30.520
<v Speaker 3>They were great. Yeah, man, sound as good as a

0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:31.680
<v Speaker 3>lot of the people play here on the radio.

0:54:31.920 --> 0:54:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah no, I mean seriously, like the biggest of the bacomen.

0:54:34.880 --> 0:54:36.200
<v Speaker 2>But then you can go down. We'll go down to

0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:38.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, church down the road, and they'll and I

0:54:38.719 --> 0:54:41.440
<v Speaker 2>tell my wife, this is unbelievable how good they are,

0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:44.040
<v Speaker 2>not just like somebody's really good at a bar, but

0:54:44.200 --> 0:54:49.040
<v Speaker 2>like elite level stuff. I'm happy for you, man, It's

0:54:49.719 --> 0:54:52.960
<v Speaker 2>it's a great story. You make really good music, and

0:54:53.040 --> 0:54:55.520
<v Speaker 2>those two have happened to combine to have a like

0:54:55.840 --> 0:55:01.200
<v Speaker 2>a really solid career, completely unorthodox way to have it

0:55:01.280 --> 0:55:02.960
<v Speaker 2>all happen the way it did. But in the end,

0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:04.359
<v Speaker 2>I guess it happened how it's supposed to happen.

0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:06.920
<v Speaker 3>It did. Yeah, I'm glad it did too. Man.

0:55:07.080 --> 0:55:07.839
<v Speaker 2>What do you do for fun?

0:55:08.400 --> 0:55:12.440
<v Speaker 1>I love to cook, That's my second passion. We do

0:55:12.560 --> 0:55:14.600
<v Speaker 1>a thing on our tours called it eating or eat,

0:55:15.160 --> 0:55:18.040
<v Speaker 1>So I do a VIP dinner before every concert. I

0:55:18.120 --> 0:55:20.520
<v Speaker 1>got a shift that travels with me from Napa that

0:55:21.000 --> 0:55:23.640
<v Speaker 1>cooks the really nice dinner for everybody every night.

0:55:23.719 --> 0:55:27.160
<v Speaker 2>And so you've heard of Eating View. What is it eating?

0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Eating View just made it up. When you do an interview,

0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:31.759
<v Speaker 2>you cook for people like we not eat while.

0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:32.520
<v Speaker 3>That'd be fun.

0:55:32.760 --> 0:55:34.520
<v Speaker 2>That's what we should have done. Mike should have set

0:55:34.600 --> 0:55:37.520
<v Speaker 2>up and Eating View and I eat while I interview

0:55:37.600 --> 0:55:40.000
<v Speaker 2>him and he cooks real quick. Yeah.

0:55:40.080 --> 0:55:41.759
<v Speaker 3>I love. I love to cook. I love to do

0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:45.440
<v Speaker 3>stuff like that. I like to get out and getting

0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:47.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, the Woods, read four Withers and stuff like that.

0:55:47.920 --> 0:55:50.200
<v Speaker 2>So all right, here's IM gonna say you guys, rescue

0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:53.000
<v Speaker 2>story from Zach. The Kid's book comes out in August.

0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:56.480
<v Speaker 2>And in the pre before you got here, we you know,

0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:58.719
<v Speaker 2>talked about the music. But your last record, record came

0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:01.600
<v Speaker 2>out in the fall last year, right yet like last

0:56:01.719 --> 0:56:02.520
<v Speaker 2>like studio record?

0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:06.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it came out September of twenty three.

0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, last year. Yeah, My years are all messed up.

0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Too, mine are I can't remember, honestly, I'm trying to think.

0:56:13.120 --> 0:56:15.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm on the third tour of this record.

0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:18.319
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it was so, I guess my last last

0:56:18.400 --> 0:56:20.520
<v Speaker 2>question is are you working on new studio music? I

0:56:20.600 --> 0:56:22.960
<v Speaker 2>am with any indication of.

0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:25.239
<v Speaker 3>When it's coming out.

0:56:25.400 --> 0:56:27.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean I'm going to ask that directly because I hate.

0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:29.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to get stuff ready for the Fully Cool.

0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:30.319
<v Speaker 3>That's the plan.

0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:33.920
<v Speaker 1>I've actually have a meeting after this song meetings, all right,

0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:35.080
<v Speaker 1>go do it picking songs.

0:56:35.440 --> 0:56:36.719
<v Speaker 2>Thanks for coming by, really appreciate it.

0:56:36.719 --> 0:56:37.160
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate it.

0:56:38.680 --> 0:56:41.120
<v Speaker 5>Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production