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Speaker 2: Welcome to Episode four fifty five with Zach Williams. My

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Speaker 2: introduction to Zach was somebody going, hey, how long have

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Speaker 2: you known Zach Williams? That this is the opera And

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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know Zach Williams. Like voice

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Speaker 2: form Mararkansas. So I think people just think we all

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Speaker 2: it's not a terribly small state. It's I mean it's

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Speaker 2: live there. Yeah, you don't know everybody. It's like, hey,

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Speaker 3: You know him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that and I was like, I do not.

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Speaker 2: And then I introduced him at the opera. I was

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Speaker 2: familiar with his music, but really didn't know his story

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Speaker 2: story until he came over, and you know, we'd kind

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Speaker 2: of done some research on him. First of all, he's

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Speaker 2: just an amazing live performer. That's what I knew from

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Speaker 2: watching him perform. And in the intro I had talked

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Speaker 2: So our producer with the Opry, who's awesome, writes the intro,

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Speaker 2: and in that intro he was kind of telling me

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Speaker 2: a bit about Zach's story and yeah, this dude, I mean,

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Speaker 2: he went through it. Yeah, but he went through it

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Speaker 2: in a way of you know, he tried to be

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Speaker 2: back again. And you'll hear all of this in the story.

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Speaker 2: This dude's also big tall guy. Yeah from the opery

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Speaker 2: he was like twenty feet away, didn't seem that tall,

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Speaker 2: but especially in boots, but you know, basketball player. But

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Speaker 2: this is that story of somebody who really wanted it,

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Speaker 2: went hard at it, probably was good enough to get

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Speaker 2: different lane. It's a great story. I liked him a

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Speaker 2: lot from this stick out to you. I mean I

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Speaker 2: just love any story of somebody making it later in life.

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Speaker 2: It's just kind of inspiring to me of like even

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Speaker 2: if you have a dream that hasn't worked out early, like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He's got an album one hundred Highways now that's been

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Speaker 2: out for about a year and a half or so.

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Speaker 2: He's got Live at the Moody Theater Austin City Limits

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Speaker 2: that's out, but it's songs that are on other records.

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Speaker 2: He's got a children's book that's coming out, which we

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Speaker 2: talked about. But it kind of tricked me because, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you'll hear it. Zach Williams Great. Follow him Zach Williams

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Speaker 2: Music on Instagram. And away we go.

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Speaker 3: Where to Arkansas? Are you from?

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Speaker 2: I am from We're rolling.

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Speaker 3: If you're good, I'm good.

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Speaker 2: I'm from a town called Mountain Pine that is central.

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Speaker 2: It's about when we would go to town. Town would

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Speaker 2: Town was where Walmart was the edge Hot Springs, and

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Speaker 2: then Little Rock was where the Arkansas travelers they were

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Speaker 1: Boro, I'm from Yeah, a little town called Bono. Actually,

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Speaker 2: So I played a bunch of baseball, so we'd travel around.

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Speaker 2: If you played Legion ball in Arkansas, you pretty much

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Speaker 2: Bono. Bono. Bono was the school Bono. There wasn't one time,

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Speaker 1: I went to Bono until second grade, and then there

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Speaker 2: what was the Bono What was the Bono mascot chiefs?

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Speaker 2: He's the most punct He's awesome. Hey, all right, what

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Speaker 3: Got you my new children's book? In my new book

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 3: That's not the actual book, it's just a cover.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not really the book.

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Speaker 3: It's not. It doesn't come out till August.

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Speaker 2: I would have given you a pre release. When I

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Speaker 2: it's underneath a little more like Jesus. And then this

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: That's quick? All right, Well, good thanks, good to see

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Speaker 2: then this is this is your book?

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Speaker 2: When did this will come out?

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Speaker 3: Uh? That came out. I'm trying to think the end

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Speaker 3: of April. It's been out. No, end of February. It's

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's still new. It's new. So the weird let

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it got political there for a little bit. How

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Speaker 2: Dang, I don't realize that you're that big. So we've met, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Like, whenever Zach comes in, I want to be there,

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Speaker 3: Did ye played play a year in college basketball? Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I'm going to come back to that. So I want

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Speaker 2: I'm just so interested because you're at that time of

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Speaker 1: flip through the pages and you know, do all of

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Speaker 1: that and got good enough. I think the first like

442
00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,920
Speaker 1: tab song I learned how to play was that Blackbird

443
00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,959
Speaker 1: by the Beatles. It was just all fingerpicking.

444
00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:50,000
Speaker 2: So hey, mine was like deep purple, Oh yeah, smoke

445
00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,680
Speaker 2: on the water, Smoke on the water, like yours is

446
00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:54,480
Speaker 2: like Eli.

447
00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,800
Speaker 1: Well I did that, but I'm saying like the first

448
00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,000
Speaker 1: real like challenging thing was like I want to learn

449
00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,960
Speaker 1: how to play back, you know, Blackbird. But yeah, and

450
00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,399
Speaker 1: then and then when I started trying to sing, it

451
00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,640
Speaker 1: was like knocking on Heaven's Door was like the first

452
00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,760
Speaker 1: song I could actually play and sing and.

453
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Speaker 2: At the same time, because there is definitely a coordination

454
00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:11,639
Speaker 2: and so.

455
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Speaker 3: That gave me like I was like, oh I can,

456
00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:14,399
Speaker 3: I can maybe do this.

457
00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,840
Speaker 2: When did you do it for the first time for anybody?

458
00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,000
Speaker 1: So after I moved back from college, or after I

459
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Speaker 1: moved back from Harrison to Jonesboro, we had like a

460
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Speaker 1: there's a couple of guys in my art class that

461
00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,680
Speaker 1: were musicians, and there was like this little art show

462
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Speaker 1: one night, and everybody was doing different things, and you know,

463
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Speaker 1: Buddy played a couple of songs. It was the first

464
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Speaker 1: time I'd ever played in front of people other than

465
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Speaker 1: like in somebody's garage.

466
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Speaker 2: How'd you feel about that, even the garage playing, the

467
00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,159
Speaker 2: first time you played publicly, did it come to you

468
00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,040
Speaker 2: somewhat natural? Somewhat Yeah, You're already a perform You're a

469
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,160
Speaker 2: basketball play right, so you're already a performer in a sense.

470
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Speaker 2: People are watching what you do. So it wasn't like,

471
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:51,879
Speaker 2: oh my god, I gotta do it.

472
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Speaker 3: No.

473
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Speaker 1: It was a little nerve wrecking, and it still is

474
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Speaker 1: to this day. I mean I still get a little

475
00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 1: little nervous every night I go on stage. But it

476
00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,240
Speaker 1: was just it was one of those things where it

477
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Speaker 1: was like I love doing it so much, you know,

478
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,480
Speaker 1: it was I loved getting feedback from something that I'd written.

479
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 1: And then you know, over the years, you'd write a

480
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:09,800
Speaker 1: song and then you'd go to a party and somebody

481
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,920
Speaker 1: be like, hey, play that song you wrote like and

482
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,480
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, I actually like that. You

483
00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 1: want to hear it again. So that kind of kept

484
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,879
Speaker 1: me going for, you know, all those years. And then

485
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Speaker 1: what'd your dad say about all this though?

486
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 2: Because you're working for him, but you go back to

487
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 2: school and then do you say I'm going to do music.

488
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,400
Speaker 2: That's a crazy coming from Arkansas. If you tell somebody

489
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 2: you're gonna do a you have a creative job. Yeah,

490
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 2: it's not that they don't believe in you, it's just

491
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:32,159
Speaker 2: nobody else does that.

492
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean dad was kind of like, you don't,

493
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 1: you know, just pick up a guitar nineteen twenty years

494
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 1: old to start playing music. It's kind of one of

495
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,480
Speaker 1: those things that you've been you know, And so I

496
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 1: think he was kind of like, what's going on here?

497
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 1: And when I started writing songs and started dem on

498
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,239
Speaker 1: out little songs and stuff when studios, he was kind

499
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Speaker 1: of like, Oh, you're actually.

500
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Speaker 3: Pretty good at this.

501
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,360
Speaker 2: So he could hear you actually being he could hear

502
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 2: it talent and work, and he.

503
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Speaker 1: Had some friends that he would send him to and

504
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 1: be like, hey, what do you guys think about this?

505
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 1: I think this is good, but I'm his dad, and

506
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 1: so they were like, it's pretty good. So they were,

507
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 1: you know, they were behind me for it.

508
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 2: What did you do to make money? From twenty three

509
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 2: to twenty eight twenty nine?

510
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,359
Speaker 1: So I worked full time for my dad who had

511
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 1: a Drowtwall company, So he stayed on with him, hung

512
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 1: and finished sheet rock, and then played the little side gigs,

513
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, at bars and whatever. And then when I

514
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 1: was in my late twenties, I joined a band and

515
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 1: we started playing you know Thursday, Friday, Saturday runs, you know.

516
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 2: All over you know, Arkansas cover band. Original it was original.

517
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's called Zach Williams and the Reformation, and it

518
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 1: was a Southern rock, classic rock kind of vibe. We

519
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: were big Almann Brothers fans and Black Crows and stuff

520
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,640
Speaker 1: like that, and so it kind of had a lot

521
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 1: of that feel. And I wrote two records and recorded

522
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: two records with that band.

523
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 2: And did you feel any traction?

524
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

525
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 1: We I mean we had we played showcases here in

526
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 1: Nashville and things like that. And we had signed a

527
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 1: little booking deal with the company over in Europe and

528
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 1: played too. We played in twenty ten for a month

529
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 1: and then went back in twenty twelve and played We

530
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: probably played twenty five shows a month on those two tours.

531
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Speaker 2: And are you guys going so hard?

532
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

533
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: And we were living hard, and I mean then that

534
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 1: was the thing that was that was the thing. You know,

535
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: my parents, you know, hated to see because they hadn't

536
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,719
Speaker 1: raised me lived that way. And you know, they were

537
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 1: thrilled that I was playing music and so proud that

538
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: I was writing songs. But I was living a lifestyle

539
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't raised to live. And I knew it,

540
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: and I was you know, I felt a lot of

541
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: guilt and shame for that, but I'd got myself into

542
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 1: a place where I didn't know how to how to

543
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: get out of it. You know, I was I wanted

544
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Speaker 1: to be that guy and I'd created this persona that

545
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 1: I was like, I got to live up to this.

546
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Speaker 3: This is this is what you do when you're a

547
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 3: rock star.

548
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: Do you have any mentor It's a weird question to

549
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 2: ask because I didn't, But did you have any mentors?

550
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 2: At like twenty eight or so. When you're on the road,

551
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 2: anybody could talk to that had done it before to

552
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: give you advice.

553
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: I mean, there were some older guys in our hometown

554
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: that were musicians that would jump up on stage and

555
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: play shows.

556
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 2: But not like traveling touring. No, see, I think that's

557
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: what I think. That's what sucks, you know, in a lot.

558
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 3: Of times too.

559
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: I mean I talked with my dad a lot, you know,

560
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: he was he was, I mean still is like my

561
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: best friend. We talked a lot on the job site.

562
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: He knew what I was going through. It wasn't like

563
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't hiding it, you know.

564
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 2: It's like, I guess my point with that is not

565
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 2: that you didn't have mentors in your life, but professionally speaking,

566
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: you were attempting to do something bigger than what anyone

567
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 2: in your immediate.

568
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 3: Life.

569
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: No, right, yeah, I didn't. I didn't have anybody going, hey,

570
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: I've I've been there, done that. You showed you this

571
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: a little different. Yes, No, I had nothing.

572
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 2: And if you're just doing that and you're touringru and

573
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: again never toured on the level that you have, but

574
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: even doing stand up, doing country touring Friday Saturdays, come

575
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: back home, I after touring for I don't know, doing

576
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: like forty thirty eight shows not I mean you're talking

577
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 2: about over a third of weekends. You get so freaking

578
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 2: bored on the road. I used to go, why would

579
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: all these nineties rockers do all these drugs? Yeah? Like

580
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: I would be like, why why would they do here?

581
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: But you get on the road, there is If you

582
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: don't keep something going, you will get run over because

583
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 2: there is nowhere.

584
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 3: And I think that's what happens with so many people,

585
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 3: you know, and it's easy. It happens easily. Like you're

586
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 3: you're bored. You party because you're bored, and.

587
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 2: It's such a when you're playing, even if it's just

588
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 2: twenty people, even if it's for nobody, you still feel

589
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: like you're building something that's like the rush, the hour,

590
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 2: that's the rush, and you have to meet that with nothing.

591
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 3: And then you step off.

592
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: Stage and you're just like empty, you're searching you You're

593
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: like I want that again, and you don't get it

594
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: again into you're on stage, or you go out and

595
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: try to party and make it happen.

596
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 2: And artificially make it.

597
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 3: YEP.

598
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Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our

599
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Speaker 4: sponsor and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

600
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Speaker 2: Have dealt with a lot of addiction in my family, abuse,

601
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: lots of dead people.

602
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 3: What for you?

603
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 2: I got two when did you knows? Number one, when

604
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: did you know you were just gonna do music? You're

605
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: gonna quit your job and you're just gonna really give

606
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: it all you have? Because that's vague? And then number two,

607
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: when did you know that you were going way too

608
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: hard and you had to make a change.

609
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 3: So the one when I had to make a change

610
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 3: came before when I knew I was going to do

611
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 3: music for a living. So really yeah.

612
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: So in twenty twelve, I was I was getting ready

613
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: to leave for Europe for a month, and we had

614
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: about twenty two shows maybe booked in Spain, and we

615
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: were just focusing on Spain. And around that time, me

616
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: and my wife had gotten invited to this church in

617
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: her hometown, and uh, we had gone and started going

618
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: to this church, and I'd been in I'd just been

619
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: in a place already where I was like, man, I

620
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: need to do something where I'm going to lose my family.

621
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: I had three children, I had a little girl on

622
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: the way, and I was getting ready to leave for

623
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: Europe with this kind of like new like Okay, I

624
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: want to change my life, Like something's got to give here.

625
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: I'm tired of being this guy, tired of partying all

626
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: the time. And I left to go on that trip,

627
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: and my wife basically had come to me and was like, Hey,

628
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: if if you can't make some changes for your family,

629
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: we're not sticking around anymore. I'm not going to watch this.

630
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: You're you're gonna end up killing yourself one day.

631
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 2: Were the changes the traveling, the touring, or what you

632
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: were doing while you're traveling.

633
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: It was what I was doing while I was traveling,

634
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: while I was touring, It was bringing it home with me.

635
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: It was just it was just the lifestyle that I

636
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: was living, and we were we were all sick of it.

637
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: I was sick of it, but I didn't know how

638
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: to get out of it. And I knew the only

639
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: way to get out of it would be to leave

640
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: the band and just walk away from it. And so

641
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: I literally left to go on that tour. And my

642
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: wife tells me this, and I was like just kind

643
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: of one of those like foxhole prayers, you know. I

644
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: was like, God, if you're real who you say you are.

645
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 3: Prove it. And I didn't have any doubt that he

646
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 3: was real because I'd grown up at church. I never

647
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 3: doubted that. But I was just like, prove it.

648
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: If you can prove it and it's clear, I'll walk away. Well,

649
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: we were two weeks into that tour. We've been partying

650
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: every night, and we were driving across Spain one day

651
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: on like an eight hour bus ride, and we were

652
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: in a sprinter van and I was listening to John

653
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: Mayer's Born and Raised album had just come out summer

654
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: of twenty twelve, and I was reading Greg Almond's autobiography

655
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: Across the Bear, and I was just like reading this

656
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: musician that's struggling with his identity and success and lifestyle.

657
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: And I was listening to John Mayer's record, and I

658
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: was staring out the bus window and my band guys

659
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: were all sleeping, and I took my headphones off and

660
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: closed my book. I was looking out in the window

661
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: the buses we were driving on the highway, and this

662
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: guy driving our bus was scanning radio stations up in

663
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: the front, and out of nowhere, it stops on the station.

664
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: I hear this, this Christian song by a band called

665
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: Big Daddy, weave. The song was called Redeemed, and I

666
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: listened to these lyrics over and over, and I was like,

667
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: what in the world. And I go back to my

668
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: hotel look up these lyrics, and while I was listening

669
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: to the lyrics, I was just like, hmm, that wasn't

670
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: a coincidence, you know. And I was like, and I

671
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: just I realized in that moment that I had missed

672
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: this thing about God that I'd always gotten wrong. I

673
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: just thought, growing up as a kid in church, he

674
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: was just sitting on his throne with his arms crossed,

675
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: shaking his head, and everything I did wrong all the time,

676
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,239
Speaker 1: and I didn't realize how much, you know, how much

677
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: God loved me, and that he saw me in a

678
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: way I wouldn't ever be able to see myself. And

679
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: I called Chris, so I said I'm done. I'm coming home.

680
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: I said, just don't tell anybody else. I got another

681
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: couple of weeks over here when we get home, and

682
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: I said, I'll I'm gonna I'm done. And so I

683
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: came finished that run, came home from Europe and canceled

684
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: my shows, quit my band Christal.

685
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: What did they say?

686
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: They were not happy? It was not good I mean

687
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: because we were, you know, we were. We were as

688
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: good as anybody at that time. We were doing shows

689
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: of BlackBerry smoking bands like that, and it was like

690
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: we could have been easily about to sign a record deal,

691
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: and but I was afraid if I didn't get out

692
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: of that band.

693
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: I was not gonna make it.

694
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: And so I came home June tenth, twenty twelve. My

695
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: wife was getting our kids ready for school. When the

696
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: house was clear, everybody was gone, I walked into my closet,

697
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: got the shoes up, cleared them out of the floor,

698
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: got on my hands and knees, and just said, God,

699
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: can you save me? And I said, I'm sick and

700
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: tired of being this guy. I don't want to do

701
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: this anymore. I don't care if I play music every again.

702
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: I just want to be a good husband, good father,

703
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: if you can use me, use me. And man, it

704
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: was like this weight just instantly lifted, and I was

705
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: like and I felt like God was just kind of

706
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: in the closet with me, just saying and welcome home.

707
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: And so that was that was where I stopped.

708
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: And so we found a church, started going to this

709
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: church in her hometown, and six months into going to church. There,

710
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: the worship pastor asked me to lead a song and

711
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: I sing Redeem for the first time. And I still

712
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: on stage that first time. Yeah, still on stage that

713
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: time at church for the first time, singing that song.

714
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: And it was the first time that I ever felt

715
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: comfortable on stage in my own skin. There was no performance,

716
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: there was no look at me, Hey, I can sing good,

717
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: look at all the stuff I can do. It was

718
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: just this emotional thing that was attached to and I

719
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: come home until Christ I said, I think this is

720
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: what I'm supposed to be doing. And within the year,

721
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: the church asked me to come to work for him

722
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: part time and help them launch a campus and become

723
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: a worship leader. And so I started leading worship at church,

724
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: and I started writing songs, and I was writing Christian

725
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,959
Speaker 1: music like new things, but I was still writing them

726
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: in kind of my southern country kind of way, and

727
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: I was testing them out at church on people woman

728
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: playing them, and I was hearing stories from everybody, and

729
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, hearing their stories and sharing my stories. And

730
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: so I was writing all these kind of like songs

731
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: coming out of these places of my life. And I

732
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: got invited to Nashville by by a guy named Jonathan

733
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: Smith who's a producer here in town and a songwriter.

734
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: And he was actually from my hometown.

735
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: How did he find you? How did he know who

736
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: you were?

737
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: And so they come over to visit for Christmas in

738
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen and I was singing work, I was singing,

739
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: I was leading a Christmas service.

740
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: They came to visit you or the church.

741
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: They came to visit the church because they were Him

742
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: and his wife were both from Jonesboro. Her dad was

743
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: a deacon at the church. They were just coming to

744
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: visit family. They decided to come to the service. They

745
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: see this big, tall guy on stage singing and they're like,

746
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: who's that guy? We don't know who that guy is.

747
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: Jonathan takes me to coffee. He's like, what's your story.

748
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: He's like, you don't sing like that without a story.

749
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: I tell him my story. He says, well, come over,

750
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: won't we come to won't you come to Nashville and

751
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: write some music? And so a few months later I

752
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: started coming over and staying the weekend with him and

753
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: we would write songs. And out of that, out of

754
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: that six month time period, we wrote chain Breaker and

755
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: here's a Liar and all these songs that became my

756
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: first album. And and while all that was going on,

757
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: I was still working at the church and the record

758
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: label here in town. Sony Provident heard the demo for

759
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: chain Breaker and called me and offered me a record

760
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: deal off of that demo.

761
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: What do you mean they heard it?

762
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: Like?

763
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: How did they get it? Who?

764
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: So I was coming over all the time and they

765
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: were seeing me in the offices, the studios were there

766
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: that we were writing in, and eventually somebody's like, who's

767
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,479
Speaker 1: the Who's the tall guy that's coming over here all

768
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 1: the time that's writing with you? And he's like, oh

769
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: this you know this guy Namsact that I'm writing with.

770
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: He's the worst leader in Arkansas. You know, just been

771
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: writing some music and the a our guy at the label,

772
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: was like, let me hear some of the songs. So

773
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: he sends them some songs and they flip out over

774
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: him and play him for the whole staff. And when

775
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: the president of the label heard it, they called me

776
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 1: on on a Wednesday, I was getting ready to lead

777
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: a college worship service at church and called me in

778
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: said hey, we want to offer your record deal. I

779
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: was thirty eight years old, been playing music for twenty

780
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: years of my life, trying trying to kick the door

781
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: in to get a record deal, and then I finally

782
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: had stopped trying to get it and I was just doing.

783
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: What I felt like I was supposed to be doing.

784
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: That's when it came.

785
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: And then it falls in my lap.

786
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: And I'm still working part time at the church, still

787
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: hearing people talk about how great these songs are, and

788
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: I'm kind of in the back of my mind when

789
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can go out and do

790
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: this again, Like, I don't know if I want to

791
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: do this.

792
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: I just want to be a songwriter.

793
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: And so I have a meeting and they're like, man, like,

794
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: nobody's going to sing these songs the way that you

795
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: sing them, So you should probably think about this.

796
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: I don't want to lose my train of thought. But

797
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: were you thinking you couldn't do it because or you

798
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: shouldn't do it because of your past experience of doing it.

799
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just thinking I didn't know if I

800
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: wanted to go back and get on the road and tour. Yeah,

801
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: And I just didn't I didn't know if I Yeah,

802
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: And so yeah, after talk talking about it for a

803
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: while and meeting with different people in Nashville, and I

804
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: signed my record deal and I was still working at

805
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: the church, living in Arkansas, and one of my first

806
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: big tours was Chris Tomlin's worship Night in America and

807
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: he put me out singing chain Breaker every night and

808
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: we were I mean, it was awesome, and I was like,

809
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: I might be able to do this and make a living.

810
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: And I remember sitting in Florida at a radio programmers

811
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 1: conference with my booking agent, and I was still living

812
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: in Arkansas, was on that tour, and I said, man,

813
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: I just want to be able to make enough money

814
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: to live. Can you guys figure that out? Help me

815
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: do that. If we can do that, I'm happy. And

816
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: went long after that church I was working at, let

817
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: me play a concert. They sent me away with a

818
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: big chunk of money to helped me get insurance for

819
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: a year and pay my rent, and I left out

820
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: and went on tour and it's.

821
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 3: Been ever since.

822
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: How you like Chris Tomlin?

823
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 3: He's great. He was a good dude.

824
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: He's like a good dude, right, yeah, he is. He's

825
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: just expectant and I know Chris now, but I just

826
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: expected him and I mean this in the most complimentary way,

827
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: to be so much better than he is, not that

828
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 2: he's going to be a better dude, but I you know,

829
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: it's Chris Tomlin. You think he was like better than you, yeah,

830
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: you know, or that you know, it's like if you're

831
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: talking to him, are you talking to Jesus?

832
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like old child.

833
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeahh But he's like like he's just a solid guy. Yeah,

834
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: just a solid guy.

835
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: He's a good dude.

836
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: How are those crowds?

837
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 3: Fourteen fifteen?

838
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, you get out, you know,

839
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: most stuff ever played for my life was maybe five

840
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: six hundred people at a at a club, and then

841
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: you're standing on stage playing you know, a song that

842
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: everybody is singing back to you, and it's like, what

843
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: is going on?

844
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: You know?

845
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,959
Speaker 1: I was I was traveling at that time when Schaane

846
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: Breaker went number one. I was on a tour singing

847
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: two songs and I was an acoustic and that was

848
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: all I was doing. And and that song went number one,

849
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: and then my second song went number one, and and

850
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: uh it was It's pretty surreal because I was like, man,

851
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, people hear of you for the first time,

852
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: and they think you're like overnight success and they just

853
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: don't have any idea of the twenty year grind that

854
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: it's taken and what you've gone through. And so that

855
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: was a big reason too for writing this book. I

856
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: just wanted people to have a little bit of a backstory,

857
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: to know why I write what I write, why I'm

858
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: the guy that I am now versus where I was

859
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: in my past, like, and so it's pretty pretty crazy.

860
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: I feel like the book, even your music, I mean,

861
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: I think it's generally pretty personal. I think a lot

862
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: of the stuff that you just been pretty personal. Why

863
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: looking for You? Why you said that was the most

864
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: personal song that you have on this last record, on.

865
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: This last record, it is?

866
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: It's this last record is probably one of my It's

867
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 1: maybe my favorite record I've ever been a part of writing.

868
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 3: You have to say that, yeah, but I mean that.

869
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's not been my most successful It's

870
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: it's honestly, you know, it's not been as successful as

871
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: chain Breaker and Rescue Story.

872
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: That's okay, I mean, I feel like you have. But

873
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: you have to feel like your last record is your

874
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: favorite because you wrote it the most recent it, Like,

875
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: is that a better representation of who you are now?

876
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: I did, but I think I wrote it this time.

877
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: I just wrote the songs I wanted to write, and

878
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: I said what I wanted to say, and I produced

879
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: them the way I wanted to produce them. I wasn't

880
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: trying to make them feel like they had to fit

881
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: a format for radio or anything, just like, I want

882
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: this to be what I want it to be.

883
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: And so.

884
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: But but looking for You is that that song for

885
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: me that's like it just kind of says it. It's

886
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: it's you know it it tells the story of the

887
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: road that I've been on for so many years and

888
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: in my past and what I've gone through, and you know,

889
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: I grew up and I kind of said it will

890
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: to go. You know, I grew up every night playing

891
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: music on stages when I was in the band, smoky

892
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: bars and nightclubs, and it was great for two or

893
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: three hours while you're on stage, and then you'd step

894
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: off and you'd be empty, and you know, drugs, alcohol, relationships,

895
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: chasing fortune, famous all that, like what can make that better?

896
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: What can make me feel better? And and it did

897
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: for a season. You know, it was like and then

898
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: that goes away, and and my dad when I was

899
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: working for him on the construction site. We would sit

900
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: down on these job sites and he would it would

901
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: always tell me, he would say, hey, I don't I

902
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: don't have an answer for you other than Jesus, like

903
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: you need to get your life together. And I didn't

904
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: want to hear it at the time, but I knew

905
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: he was telling the truth. And I used to hear

906
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: this saying as a kid, it's the first place you

907
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: find something is always the last place you look for it.

908
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: And I was like, I've tried everything else, but Jesus

909
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: might as well give it a shot. And and it

910
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: was like when I got in that place in my

911
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: life and I, you know, I was like, God, can

912
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: you help me out? He was there and I realized

913
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: all my life I've been looking for him, like all

914
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: those things that I've been trying to find, to feel

915
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: that hole that was actually in search of him.

916
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 2: And so.

917
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, when I played that song for.

918
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: Dolly, she was like, I was going there next, Yeah, dude,

919
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 2: she was.

920
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: We were in Dollywood working on her Christmas Christmas thing,

921
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: and she asked me what I was working on, and

922
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: I told her that I told her this record, and

923
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: I said, I actually got the title from it from

924
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: this song called looking for You. I said, there's a

925
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: lyric that says, down one hundred highways of empty pursuit

926
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: and a thousand foolish things I went through. Didn't know

927
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,479
Speaker 1: it back then, but now I do. I was looking

928
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: for You and she's like playing the song, and so

929
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: I play it for and she's.

930
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 2: I mean, is there a little bit of pressure again?

931
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 2: You know, you're good? There was, but it's Dolly.

932
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: It was Dolly, but she was Dolly has a way

933
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: of like making you feel like you're the only person

934
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: in the room. And she she is so down to

935
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 1: earth and so humble and just so so much fun.

936
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: She's like the I've told people she's like the the

937
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: fun ant at Christmas that everybody wants to see and

938
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: hang out with.

939
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 3: You know.

940
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: It's like she's very warm and you always feel valued.

941
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And just to even make it even better, that

942
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: day while all this was going on, were I was

943
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: on a keto diet. A couple of her guys on

944
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: crew were on a keto die and she's like, she's like,

945
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: you know what we do? She was like, it's really good.

946
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: She's like, they got these poor crowns here at Dollywood.

947
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: She was like, and I make this blue cheese dip

948
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: and we eat poor crands and blue cheese when.

949
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: We're on Keto.

950
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh yeah, and she's like, yeah,

951
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send somebody out to get the stuff and

952
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: i'll make it for you. So she sends somebody out

953
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: to get all this stuff and we're sitting there eating

954
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: poor grinds and blue cheese dip that she just made,

955
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: and and I'm about to play my song. And so

956
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: I played the song and she's like coming along harmony

957
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: parts and I was like, oh, that's really cool. And

958
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,479
Speaker 1: then as the song's finished, and she's like wiping tears

959
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: out of her eyes and she slaps me on the

960
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: leg and she's like, Zacht. She said, that's beautiful. She

961
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: said why didn't you ask me to sing on that one?

962
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: And I was like, I didn't know if you'd want to,

963
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: and she was like, well, I thought we did pretty

964
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: good on the first one. And I was like, you're right,

965
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: and I still thought she was joking. And so a

966
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 1: year later, we were trying to decide what we wanted

967
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: to do as a you know, a last single on

968
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: this record, and I said well, Dollie did say she

969
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: would sing on it, and I didn't know if she

970
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: really would.

971
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a weird thing to follow through. Yeah, like

972
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: follow up on it because you're like, yeah, I didn't

973
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: know said but again it's you're in like the moment.

974
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I did.

975
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: We we we reached out to her on like a

976
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: Thursday Friday. She said, yeah, send it over Monday. She

977
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: sent it back and it was done with her vocals,

978
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: like over the weekends.

979
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: She did it.

980
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: What's really cool, first of all is that and that

981
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: you have and have have had a relationship with Dollie.

982
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: But secondly, you've want a Grammy with Dolly? Yeah, like

983
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: that kind of trumps everybody that kind of Trump's stories

984
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: of like doing charity work with Dollar, Like you want

985
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: a Grammy? Like that's awesome.

986
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's man, I know it was.

987
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 2: Does the Grammy have your names on it?

988
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 3: Yeah?

989
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: So you on your Grammy. It's like in the car.

990
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: It has pretty cool man.

991
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

992
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: What was wild though, is that day you know that

993
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: we that was nearing COVID. So the Grammys were a

994
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: lot different that year, and we had a little Grammy

995
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: party at my house and we were supposed to supposed

996
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: to have like found out like late in the afternoon

997
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: when the when it was going to be announced, and

998
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: I had all these people coming over to my house

999
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: and we were all gonna be sitting there watching it

1000
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: at the same time. And then they were like, no,

1001
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna announce it early. So they were going to

1002
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: announce mind like noon.

1003
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, man, if we lose this,

1004
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 3: this party's gonna say like this is good to be bad.

1005
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 3: All these people showing up.

1006
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: And when they announced it, they announced Casey Bethard's name first,

1007
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, we freaking lost.

1008
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 3: And now I was like, wait a minute. He wrote

1009
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 3: the song with me.

1010
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: I was like, we won, like and it was just

1011
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: like and so I call Casey, Me and Jonathan call

1012
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: Casey and he's like he's in Florida on the beach

1013
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: making a sandwich in his beach house and I'm like, hey, dude,

1014
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: we just want to Grammy and he was like, are

1015
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: you kidding me? He wasn't even watching it. I was

1016
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, that's that sounds a bit like him. Dang,

1017
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: that's it was really cool.

1018
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: It's really cool. It's it's super cool that again, I

1019
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 2: would just be my neurosis would go. I know Dolly

1020
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: said that, but did she really mean it? That's exactly

1021
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: what I don't want to like bother her because I

1022
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: already have a good relationship.

1023
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was.

1024
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's been so she's been so sweet to us,

1025
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: like we we go down and rehearsing her place down

1026
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: in Lavern, Like it's just she's been like, hey, if

1027
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: you guys want to come down and use it for rehearsals, Like,

1028
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: are you serious?

1029
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: She's like yeah, wow, she just sent So I have

1030
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: the these little funkos, which I've only been introduced lately

1031
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: to the funko culture. Are you familiar with the funko?

1032
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is, Mike, will you hand

1033
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: me the Dollie funk so I have? Again, I didn't

1034
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: know what they were, but that as like something my

1035
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: kids might probably athletes have them, celebrities have them. And

1036
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: so I bought a few Dolli ones and so this

1037
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: is a Dolly one and I sent them over to

1038
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: her and she signed them for me, and then I

1039
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 2: auction them off for a Saint Joy. I've yeah, yeah, yeah,

1040
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: but they don't come signed, and Dollie doesn't have any

1041
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: sign you can get. But I just sent him over

1042
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: and she sent him back all signed. I mean, it

1043
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: was like, and I don't want to ask her to

1044
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: do anything, but I know that if it happens to

1045
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 2: do with something like nice or good, she's gonna do it.

1046
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, But it's still like, I don't want to

1047
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: bother her, but she's yeah, No, she's awesome. She's on

1048
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 2: my comedy special.

1049
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 3: I mean, that's great.

1050
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

1051
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: She was telling me she's got a she was telling

1052
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: me she's got a Broadway musical coming out in twenty

1053
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: twenty five.

1054
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: I'm sure to be a massive success and it deserves

1055
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: to be.

1056
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Bobby Cast will be right back. This is

1057
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 5: the Bobby Cast.

1058
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: You have a bunch of land.

1059
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 3: We've got almost twenty five acres.

1060
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: What do you do with it? And is it all

1061
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: liveable or is it some of it just like no,

1062
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 2: So I.

1063
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: Guess from the road to our house is about a

1064
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: quarter mile, and then from our house to the back

1065
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: of the property is about a quarter mile. And coming

1066
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: up the road, it's it's been cleared out and it looks,

1067
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, it looks nice coming up and then there's

1068
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: about five acres around the.

1069
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: House that we have woods woods around, and then behind

1070
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: it is it's thick.

1071
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: I had a guy come in with the excavator and

1072
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 1: just cut me a trail all the way around where

1073
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: we could ride side by side of the four wheaders

1074
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: and then our property backs up to this creek that

1075
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: is great for like small mouth bass fishing.

1076
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you stalked upon No, it's.

1077
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 1: It's it's like literally, it's it's wide enough. It looks

1078
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: like a river where we're at, so you can get

1079
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: into kayak and fish it, or you can just go

1080
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: down and fish. It's like, what's this one horse? It's

1081
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: the creek's called Rutherford Creek, and I'm not sure what

1082
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: it runs off of.

1083
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: You don't have to stock it because it's just no

1084
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: and it I mean it runs for miles through So

1085
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: that's basically a river.

1086
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 3: No, it's it's basically like a river, but they call

1087
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 3: it Rutherford Creek.

1088
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: How old your oldest kid?

1089
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: Our oldest is twenty five, twenty fourteen and eleven. They

1090
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: read the book, I don't know if they've read it

1091
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: or not.

1092
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 3: They lived it. Yeah, yeah, I mean my I think

1093
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 3: my youngest.

1094
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if my wife has or not, but

1095
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: we we've talked about playing the audio book for him,

1096
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: just to let them know we haven't kept secrets. I mean,

1097
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: our kids know our stories in our lives. So but

1098
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: the biggest reason why I wanted because I almost didn't

1099
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: do the audio version.

1100
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 3: I was just so nervous about it. You know, I'm like,

1101
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: I don't like.

1102
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 1: I'm for one, I don't like to read a lot

1103
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: unless it's like an article that I'm interested in. Books

1104
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: typically not, I just don't finish them, do to see

1105
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: the movie. And then I'm like, reading out loud is

1106
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: a totally different thing than reading to yourself. And I

1107
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: was just like, man, I don't want to do this,

1108
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: and I have myself talked out of it. And then

1109
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: and my wife talked and I was like, you know,

1110
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: when I'm dead and gone, this will live forever and

1111
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: my children and their grandchildren can hear my voice tell

1112
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: my story. So me and my wife both did the

1113
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: reading of it.

1114
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 3: I good for you. It was really cool.

1115
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad. It's hard.

1116
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: It's tough, man.

1117
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to get this stumbled on words

1118
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: that you say every day, and you're just like, why

1119
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: can't I say this right now?

1120
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 3: It's the weirdest thing.

1121
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 2: And also it's like sometimes you'll say a word so

1122
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: much and like if you just said the word blooney

1123
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: over and over again, then blowney doesn't feel like a

1124
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: real word. You like baloonney. But then you come with

1125
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: all the words while you're reading a book and no

1126
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: word feels real because you've just been reading. And I

1127
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: talked for a living, and reading the book was the

1128
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 2: weirdest thing because you're also trying to read it like

1129
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 2: a human.

1130
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. I did it every the two nights, the two

1131
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: days that I read. I would set up every night

1132
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 3: and read it to my wife in bed, the chapters

1133
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: that I was going to read the next day, just

1134
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 3: so I would kind of have it fresh.

1135
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: Then I would go in and do it, and it

1136
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: just felt so weird. And then you got this lady

1137
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: in your ear going try it this way read it, and.

1138
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: They would do that to me. I'll be like, but

1139
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: I don't say it like that.

1140
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: There's one part of the book that I tell a

1141
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: story about me and my dad and it was a

1142
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: lunch break and I was eating the can of Viiny

1143
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,439
Speaker 1: sausages and I call him VIENI. A lot of people

1144
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: say Vienna, and the lady stops me and she's like, hey,

1145
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: it's Vienna, and I'm like, not where I was, not

1146
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: where I come from. I was like, I call it Vienie.

1147
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: I was like, and I'm going to leave it that

1148
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: way in the book. And so everybody gives no hard time,

1149
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: but but it was it was a yeah, that's good.

1150
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 2: What about the kid's book? A little more like Jesus?

1151
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 3: So that's that's a that's a book based off of

1152
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 3: the Fruits of the Spirit. It's a book that kind

1153
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 3: of kind of came out of my song less like Me.

1154
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 3: I have a song called uh and that's it's a

1155
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 3: little more log Jesus. That's a little less like Me.

1156
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: And so this idea for a children's book kind of

1157
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: came up because I just remember being, you know, in

1158
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: church as a kid and and reading the Fruits of

1159
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: the Spirit. So it was kind of one of those

1160
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: little I think it's from like maybe from four to

1161
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: eight year olds.

1162
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: Did you have to look at a bunch of illustrators

1163
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 2: and pick the and and like to pick the style.

1164
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 3: The Yeah, we went through all of that went through.

1165
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: I had I pulled a bunch of books from like

1166
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 1: the books that we had at home from our kids

1167
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: that I always remembered like reading them to my kids,

1168
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: And I sent the screenshots of them in and who

1169
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: the illustrators were, and then they they were like, Okay,

1170
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: here's some that kind of resemble that, or here's some

1171
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: people that we work with. What do you think And

1172
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: we near down like four people before we went and

1173
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: found them on we like And then that to me

1174
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 1: was kind of cool to'll seend myself as the cartoons.

1175
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: Did you have any notes on yourself?

1176
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 3: No, I just I just sent a couple of pictures

1177
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 3: over and they came up with that.

1178
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like they always air on the

1179
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: positives I don't have. I don't have your whole books.

1180
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what you look like all your pictures.

1181
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 2: But for me, I feel like they gave me some liberty,

1182
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: some like yeah nice fun they made they feel good,

1183
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah liberty. I feel like that's generally what they do.

1184
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 2: They don't want to make you feel worse about yourself.

1185
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 3: Now they did a good job. I feel good about it.

1186
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: So four to eight is where you put this? I

1187
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: don't I don't this book. It's not even the real book.

1188
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: I'm over here.

1189
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 3: Just guessing it's not a real book. That's just the cover.

1190
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 3: You have.

1191
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 2: You seen the fully finished, so you don't even have it.

1192
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: No, I don't even have it. Like all we have

1193
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: right now is the cover. I've seen the pages. I've

1194
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: seen the pages, you know, in like PDF form. But

1195
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: the book comes out the end of August. Hop on

1196
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: board for a rolic in journey of sharing and love.

1197
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: We're all called to be more like Jesus, but it

1198
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 2: can be hard to understand exactly what that means. In

1199
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: this picture book from acclaimed Christian music artist Zach Williams,

1200
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 2: kids joined an exciting bus trip to discover the fruits

1201
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 2: of the spirit and learn how showing a little more love, patience, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness,

1202
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 2: and self control can make a big difference for those

1203
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: around them and help them live a little more like Jesus.

1204
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 2: With rhymes, It's cool, it turned it turned it really good.

1205
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: I'm proud of it.

1206
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 2: I had goals in making mine rymen. I quit, I

1207
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: quit the Rymen, and I was like, I stopped it.

1208
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: With rhyming text based on Zach's hit song A Little

1209
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: Less Like Me and vibrant, engaging illustrations, young readers will

1210
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 2: be inspired to connect deeper with God and begin to

1211
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 2: grow into the person God created them to be. I'm

1212
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 2: excited for the first time you see the full book together.

1213
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: It's a really it'd be a really cool moment.

1214
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 3: Now.

1215
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: Just getting this is super cool.

1216
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1217
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: And I got it and my manager hands it to

1218
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: me and I started flipping through it and I was like, dude,

1219
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: they messed this up. This is not my book. And

1220
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: he said, oh, no, that's not your book. He's like,

1221
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: I just they just put it on a thing so

1222
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: you can see what it looks like.

1223
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 3: Dude, they printed the wrong like they printed it wrong.

1224
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: Listen. I'm a big fan. I was a big fan

1225
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: of just your music before I even knew your story.

1226
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: You know, I think, how long have you lived here

1227
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 2: now in Nashville.

1228
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 3: Oh, we move tier in two thousand and seventeen, so a.

1229
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 2: Year are we four?

1230
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 3: War?

1231
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: So?

1232
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 3: Like what years?

1233
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 2: Even?

1234
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 3: Six?

1235
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: Seven years?

1236
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 3: Seven years? Yeah?

1237
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: You get here. This is my short version of living

1238
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: in Nashville. You get here and you're like, wow, this

1239
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: is Nashville. Our dreams are made. And then you get

1240
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: really jaded, and then you start to realize, why am

1241
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: I letting myself be so jaded on stuff. And I'm

1242
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: getting to the point now where I'm reaching that I

1243
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: don't need me to be that jaded on stuff anymore.

1244
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: What I care about I care about, and what I don't,

1245
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: I just kind of let it do its thing. And

1246
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: so the version of your story that I knew was

1247
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: I just knew your music and your current story. Yeah,

1248
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: because there's a there's a million stories, and I just

1249
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 2: hadn't got into yours. But then when I started reading

1250
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: up on you and learning, and man, it's so admirable

1251
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: the decisions that you were forced to make to have

1252
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 2: a quality life for you and your family then that

1253
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 2: you made because I say, Forrest, it's like, you don't

1254
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: have to actually do it, but if you don't, things

1255
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 2: tend to not enda.

1256
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 3: I knew we were always headed in if I had

1257
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 3: and that was my that was kind of my It

1258
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 3: was tough, trust me, man.

1259
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: It was splitting up that band was was awful. Like

1260
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: I just you know, you've been in a band with

1261
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: five guys for several years. It was like a it

1262
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: was like a divorce.

1263
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: They still resent you or do they understand?

1264
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 3: I think they are both. I think they there's a

1265
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 3: little of both.

1266
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: I think they understand obviously when I had to make

1267
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: those decisions, we're all in a different place in our

1268
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: lives now.

1269
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 3: I think it still hurts. I mean, it's still it

1270
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 3: still hurts me sometimes to think about.

1271
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 2: You know, you just understand why they can be upset though, Yeah.

1272
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, But I mean at the time I walked

1273
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: away and I was like, I'm not gonna explain why.

1274
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm just this is for myself and my family and

1275
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: I need to do this. And I literally put music

1276
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: down for like six or seven months after I quit.

1277
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: I was just like, I don't even know if I

1278
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: want to play music anymore. And then it was when

1279
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: we were going to the church and that the guy

1280
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: was like, hey, once you sing a song, and I

1281
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: was like, it's almost.

1282
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: Like you started over. I mean, it is like you

1283
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: started over, but it's okay, you're done, except we're gonna

1284
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 2: kind of put you on level one again. But you're

1285
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: not doing it for the same reason, but you're doing

1286
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: it again, you know.

1287
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 3: No, I'm thankful that it didn't happen, you know then,

1288
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 3: because like I said, I probably wouldn't be here. But

1289
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 3: I do feel like I feel like God allowed me

1290
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 3: to live through that and and have that life so

1291
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 3: that I could stand on stages now and talk about

1292
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 3: what he's done in my life.

1293
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: You feel the pressure to sing though, at church every

1294
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 2: time now, because if I had your talent and skill

1295
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 2: and I was knowing, it would be like being a

1296
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: singer and being at a wedding. They'd be like, you,

1297
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 2: I get up and do a song.

1298
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 3: No, hot, don't man.

1299
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm like if I'm like, I just want to be

1300
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: at church and my family. I don't want to sing.

1301
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to do anything.

1302
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 2: But I'll be looking at you like, are you not

1303
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 2: gonna get out there?

1304
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 3: You're not gonna sing?

1305
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 2: What's crazy too, though, is this is a town where

1306
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 2: a lot of people are really good. It's a town

1307
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 2: where a lot of people are actually great. But still

1308
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 2: you can go to church and it's it's almost like

1309
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 2: the people singing at church are as good or better

1310
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: than this. Yeah, it's if you were just to go

1311
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 2: to church and go some of these churches here, this

1312
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: is what Nashville is. People will be blown away because

1313
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: the singers and the artists that play there are at

1314
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 2: times better than a lot of the top tier artists

1315
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 2: that play played My shirt.

1316
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 3: Everywhere I remember Eastern Sunday. I was still my wife.

1317
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 3: I was like, those girls are really good, like elite level.

1318
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 3: They were great. Yeah, man, sound as good as a

1319
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 3: lot of the people play here on the radio.

1320
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah no, I mean seriously, like the biggest of the bacomen.

1321
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: But then you can go down. We'll go down to

1322
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: you know, church down the road, and they'll and I

1323
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 2: tell my wife, this is unbelievable how good they are,

1324
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 2: not just like somebody's really good at a bar, but

1325
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: like elite level stuff. I'm happy for you, man, It's

1326
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: it's a great story. You make really good music, and

1327
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 2: those two have happened to combine to have a like

1328
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 2: a really solid career, completely unorthodox way to have it

1329
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 2: all happen the way it did. But in the end,

1330
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 2: I guess it happened how it's supposed to happen.

1331
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 3: It did. Yeah, I'm glad it did too. Man.

1332
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 2: What do you do for fun?

1333
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: I love to cook, That's my second passion. We do

1334
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: a thing on our tours called it eating or eat,

1335
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: So I do a VIP dinner before every concert. I

1336
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: got a shift that travels with me from Napa that

1337
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: cooks the really nice dinner for everybody every night.

1338
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: And so you've heard of Eating View. What is it eating?

1339
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 2: Eating View just made it up. When you do an interview,

1340
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: you cook for people like we not eat while.

1341
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 3: That'd be fun.

1342
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 2: That's what we should have done. Mike should have set

1343
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: up and Eating View and I eat while I interview

1344
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: him and he cooks real quick. Yeah.

1345
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 3: I love. I love to cook. I love to do

1346
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 3: stuff like that. I like to get out and getting

1347
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 3: you know, the Woods, read four Withers and stuff like that.

1348
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: So all right, here's IM gonna say you guys, rescue

1349
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: story from Zach. The Kid's book comes out in August.

1350
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 2: And in the pre before you got here, we you know,

1351
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 2: talked about the music. But your last record, record came

1352
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: out in the fall last year, right yet like last

1353
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: like studio record?

1354
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it came out September of twenty three.

1355
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, last year. Yeah, My years are all messed up.

1356
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: Too, mine are I can't remember, honestly, I'm trying to think.

1357
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm on the third tour of this record.

1358
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was so, I guess my last last

1359
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: question is are you working on new studio music? I

1360
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: am with any indication of.

1361
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 3: When it's coming out.

1362
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 2: I mean I'm going to ask that directly because I hate.

1363
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get stuff ready for the Fully Cool.

1364
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 3: That's the plan.

1365
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: I've actually have a meeting after this song meetings, all right,

1366
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: go do it picking songs.

1367
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming by, really appreciate it.

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00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production