1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Again. 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 2: We are back on normally, the show is normal. It 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: is taking a whity n getting weird. 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 3: I don't know about I am Carol Markowitz, very Catherine. 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: Everybody's very worried about me because it's going to be 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: chilly at Florida all the next two days. 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like five degrees here. 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: People keep tagging me in these stories of like, you know, 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: Florida is going to get it really bad, and listen, 10 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: it is bad for Florida, but like our coldest day 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: is going to be like high thirties, low of fifty one. 12 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: You know, thirty sounds tough. You know, it's not the 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: ten degrees that we've had for four days here. It's true. Yeah. 14 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 2: But by the way, Washington d C has been utterly 15 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: unable to release itself from the encasing of ice. And 16 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: last night Washington DC decided to clear snow on the 17 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: fourteenth Street Bridge, which is the major artery going into 18 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: town during rush hour. And I'm like, are they are 19 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: they simply this stupid or is this an attempt to 20 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 2: punish people for coming into the city, Like what's going 21 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: on here? But I will tell you the amount of 22 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: money these people are paying in taxes for this level 23 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: of service. Schools are still closed, nothing's cleared out. It's amazing. 24 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 3: That's really bad. I mean, Mom, Donnie was able to 25 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 3: do it in New York. That's how bad that is. 26 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 2: Also in addition, can I say, and this is such 27 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 2: a metaphor, rass sewage has been pouring into the Potomac 28 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: for like a week and a half. Now why And 29 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: that's not it's not even a story because of the snow. 30 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: I'm like, when are you guys gonna get to plowing 31 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: the poop out of the Potomac? Is that? Why? Why? 32 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: Why is there? There was some kind of breakdown with 33 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: the water treatment in DC. American cities in twenty twenty 34 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: became great at DEI and lecturing the rest of us 35 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: and shutting businesses down. They became very bad, even worse 36 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: than they had been at doing basic services. 37 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a bad scene over there. 38 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: Nobody wants to poop. 39 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: Poop is like the least you know, least good thing 40 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 3: you want in the water. 41 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 2: Yep, yep. 42 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 3: Anyway, bring back the fluoride. 43 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: Sure it'll all work out, fie. At least the taxes 44 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: are low anyway, all. 45 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: Right, Marco Rubio testified in front of Congress today. 46 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: He was fantastic. 47 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: I got to watch some of it while I waited 48 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: to see whether he was going to bump me from Newsmax, 49 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: and I got a question. 50 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 3: It was about Nicki Minaj. 51 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: So you know that the did you go happened? Yeah. 52 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: So he did such a great job of just very 53 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: matter of factly explaining why we went into Venezuela, why 54 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: we were the only country that could do it, why 55 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: it was important for us to do it. 56 00:02:58,639 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 3: Let's roll a little clip of it. 57 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 4: So you had basically three of our primary opponents in 58 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 4: the world operating from our hemisphere. From that spot, it 59 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 4: was also a place where you had a narco trafficking 60 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 4: regime that openly cooperated with the FARC and the ELN 61 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 4: and other drug trafficking organizations using their national territory. It 62 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 4: was an enormous strategic risk for the United States, not 63 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 4: halfway around the world, not in another continent, but in 64 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 4: the hemisphere in which we all live, and it was 65 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 4: having dramatic impacts on us, but also on Columbia and 66 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 4: on the Caribbean basin and all sorts of other places. 67 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 4: It was an untenable situation. And it had to be addressed. 68 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: It's interesting that he openly calls China and Russia our opponents. 69 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: I don't think that that's language that I've necessarily heard 70 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: from other people, even in the Trump administration. I think 71 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: that they kind of usually massaged that a little bit, 72 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: and he didn't do that. So he said that this 73 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: was a threat in our hemisphere, and we did what 74 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: we had to do. And I watched this and he 75 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: just comes off as so much more sure of himself 76 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: than anybody else in that room. Everybody else kind of 77 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: is trying to get him in a gotcha. It was 78 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: one point I don't even remember what the question really 79 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: was about, but it was like, were. 80 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: You with Donald Trump when this happened? 81 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: And he's like, well, it didn't happen, so I couldn't 82 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: have been with Donald Trump when that happened. 83 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: And it was just a very Rubio esque response. It 84 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: was fantastic. 85 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: And of course this is all happening, and this conversation 86 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: is going on during a time where the US is 87 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: Lincoln has arrived in the Middle East potentially for something 88 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: that may happen in Iran. 89 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really watching him as a testament to the 90 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 2: power of a likable and smart messenger who knows things. 91 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: Competency knowing things can be very powerful, and it's nice 92 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 2: to see that in a secretary. I would love him 93 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: to do all the jobs. Yeah, I'm not sure exactly 94 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: what his capacity is at this point, but I am very, 95 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: very glad that he's in several of them. And I 96 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 2: am also open to the idea that him holding several 97 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: jobs makes him even better at this kind of thing, 98 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 2: because he's seeing he's overseeing a bunch of stuff and 99 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: seeing how everything is working together, and he's smart enough 100 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 2: to handle that. So I enjoy hearing from him very much. 101 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: I think he's a guy who ups confidence in the 102 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: administration when he's out there. And by the way, I 103 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 2: saw that he had a little exchange with Rand Paul 104 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 2: where he had to set some of his language straight 105 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: and say, we didn't remove an elected official in Maduro, 106 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 2: we removed someone who was not elected and was actually 107 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 2: an indicted drug traffick in the United States. And I 108 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: got to imagine that while he's saying that other people 109 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: who are unelected autocratic rulers in other countries where say, 110 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 2: the USS Lincoln is near, might go hmm. Listening we're 111 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: listening and to have that sort of consistency in messages. 112 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: He Ron actually had a trumpy response today to Donald 113 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: Trump's call to come to the table and then maybe, 114 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: you know, see if military action will follow. If they don't, 115 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: they Amanian mission into the United Nations said in its 116 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: own social media post, Daron was ready for dialogue based 117 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: on mutual respects and interest, but it added in capital letters, 118 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: if pushed, Ron would defend itself and respond like never before, 119 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: will you will you? 120 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 3: I don't know. 121 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: I think it's unwise to get too chippy with Donald Trump. 122 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: If yeah, a Ron on X's right, that would just 123 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 2: be my take. As Maduro's dancing didn't go over well, 124 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 2: and yeah, perhaps a little bit of a last straw, 125 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: I would I would be cautious about it. 126 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to You don't want to get 127 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: Donald Trump angry. You wouldn't like him when he's angry. 128 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: It was funny because I was thinking it kind of 129 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 1: read like one of the resistance people had a hold 130 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: of the X account and was like, you'll never come 131 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: get us. There's no way you could do anything to us. 132 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: I wonder, I wonder if it's always poks the way 133 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 2: to provoke. 134 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: So Rubio again doing such a great job, and a 135 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: obviously conversation on X becomes. Could Rubio run for president 136 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight? 137 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: He has explicitly said that if JD. 138 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 3: Vance runs, he's not running. 139 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, does he really not run if he 140 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: if there's like a clamoring for him, if people are 141 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: clamoring for you, I think you have to do it well. 142 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: And Trump repeatedly puts him on par with Vance. It's 143 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: not enlisting him before Vance. 144 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 3: So most favored child for sure. 145 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: I mean there was some AI image the other day 146 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: about Greenland, where, of course in the AI image Rubio 147 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: and Vance are standing next to Trump, not just Vance. Rubio, Yeah, Advance. 148 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 2: So it is an interesting, uh way of jockeying for position. 149 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: As we move toward twenty twenty eight, right, we'll see. 150 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that he decides no just because he said, 151 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, in twenty twenty six that he would in 152 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. 153 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 3: Things change, obviously. 154 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: I am also of the mind that no matter how 155 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: much I like the Republican possible candidate, we need to 156 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: have primaries. 157 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 3: Primaries are a good thing. They really do shake out 158 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: what we believe. 159 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: I have to say, I don't think this last primary 160 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: did that because Donald Trump was so the runaway favorite 161 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: that it didn't matter what everybody else was saying, and 162 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: he didn't come to any debates or whatever. 163 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: Will JD. 164 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 3: Vance be that same kind of runaway favorite. 165 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'd love to hear what do 166 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: we believe going into twenty twenty eight. 167 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think Jamie Vance can afford to do 168 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: what Trump did. It's just a different position that he's in. 169 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 2: I didn't like that Trump did that, although I understood 170 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 2: on the bear politics same right why he would do it. 171 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: I wanted him to come and answer questions and to 172 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: debate these things with folks, and it makes us healthier 173 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: if we can do that, particularly in an age of Trump. 174 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: Where As you and I both know the party's compass 175 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: is like where exactly ideologically, but somewhere between populist and 176 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: conservative depending on the day, and sometimes leaning in towards 177 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 2: like Warren economic populism at times. So I would like 178 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: to hear these guys discuss which things are important to them. 179 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: I think Rubyo is likely to be more in my 180 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: lane than others, but I do think if there's anything 181 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: to be learned from the Biden process, it was Biden 182 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: being anointed and then Harris being annoyed. Neither one did 183 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: Jella favor. So yeah, let's learn some lessons. 184 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: Let's learn some lessons without having to actually go through 185 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: those lessons. 186 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. 187 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: Right, We'll take a short break and be right back 188 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: on normally. 189 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 2: All right, back on normally. Let's talk about whether Democrats 190 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: are learning any lessons. It's an interesting time to talk 191 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 2: about that. But I have noticed a bunch of sort 192 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 2: of center left people who have been trying to get 193 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: the Democratic Party off of the super. 194 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 3: Woke Yeah, ramparts train, yes, runaway train. Yeah. 195 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 2: A couple of these folks have been saying quite loudly 196 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 2: as opinion turns against Trump on immigration enforcement. So at 197 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: a time when they could be celebrating a short term win, 198 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 2: a lot of them are saying, hey, watch out, this 199 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: is not a long term win. Yeah, this is a 200 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 2: swing away from these tactics. It's perhaps something you can 201 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: capitalize on, but you will not capitalize on it unless 202 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: you deal with what you did in the past. And 203 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 2: Thomas Edsel, writing for The New York Times, chimes in 204 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: today with a piece saying entitled, I wouldn't say the 205 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: Democrats are in good shape, which is not what the 206 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: resistance wants to hear right about now, as they think 207 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 2: they are sort of taking a victory lap over Minneapolis. 208 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 2: I would dispute that conclusion from them. But basically Edsel says, 209 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 2: if Democrats are to succeed in excising the Trump malignancy 210 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: from the body put their party faces a major hurdle 211 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: their own malignancy. That's my editorial public distrust, if not 212 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: downright animosity. And he references like four different studies that 213 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: show how much people were turned off by woke DEI 214 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: sort of supermind virus behavior, and it notes that even 215 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: as support for Trump has deteriorated, each analysis found that 216 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 2: the public, including many Democratic voters, had a dismal view 217 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 2: of the Democratic Party, in one calling them weak or ineffective. 218 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: They note that this was an interesting one deciding to win, 219 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 2: which is a Democratic pack did this analysis? Since twenty twelve, 220 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: highly educated staffers, donors, advocacy groups, pundits, and elected officials 221 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: have reshaped the Democratic Party's agenda, decreasing our party's focus 222 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 2: on the economic issues that are the top concerns of 223 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: the American people. The authors tracked keyword usage in democratic 224 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: platforms from twenty twelve to twenty twenty five. Are you 225 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: ready for what they found? 226 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 3: I'm ready. 227 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: Let's go. The frequency of the word hate increased by 228 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 2: one thousand, three hundred and twenty three percent, White, Black, Latino, 229 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: Latina by one thousand, one hundred and thirty seven percent, 230 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: LGBT and LGBTQI, et cetera by one thousand and forty 231 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: four percent, and equity by seven hundred and sixty six percent. 232 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: On the other hand, over the same period, use of 233 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 2: father down one hundred percent, crime and criminal down thirty percent, 234 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 2: responsibility UH decreased by eighty three percent, middle class by 235 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 2: seventy nine percent, and veteran by thirty one. 236 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, they let the right take all of those words. 237 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: It wasn't your imagination. Yeah, father, They just we. 238 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 3: Don't have fathers anymore, no fathers. 239 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: Like it's wild what they did. And these guys are 240 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: making the point which I don't I am not sure 241 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 2: the left can handle that you have to earn back 242 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 2: trust by admitting that you did something wrong. Yeah, And 243 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 2: they're pointing out these guys who even these guys who 244 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 2: want to turn the page like a Stephen Pinker who's 245 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 2: in academia is like, in academia, it's almost getting worse 246 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 2: because Trump is saying do sensible things, and they're feeling like, no, 247 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 2: we can't do anything Trump right, right, and therefore they 248 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 2: can't sort of dig themselves out of it. They just 249 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: get into a more progressive loop. 250 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that was really the thing during the pandemic, right. 251 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: It was like we saw them do this where Trump 252 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: was like, we should open schools, and they were like, 253 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: absolutely not, not schools, and you sent me. A few 254 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: days ago, Josh Crusher pointed out the American Redistricting Project 255 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: that Texas is picking up four seats, Florida's picking up 256 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: two seats, Arizona, Georgia, Idaho, North Carolina, Utah picking up seats, 257 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: and then all these red and blue states are losing seats. California, Illinois, Minnesota, 258 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Wisconsin all losing seats. Now, 259 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: what happened there. What happened there is that they just 260 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: couldn't adjust to sanity. They pushed people out. I mean, 261 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: it's something that we watched happen all across the country. 262 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: I know, you know, the New York or California gets 263 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: the most attention, but people left all of these blue states, 264 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: and I think that that we've gotten to where they 265 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: need to learn for all of us. They need to 266 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: not just be anti Trump as a position. 267 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure that's going to happen. This is 268 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: the no, right, this is the reapportionment you're talking about, 269 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 2: which will come in twenty thirty. Right, So the census 270 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, whether you think it was ill intentioned 271 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 2: or just really hard to do, a census in twenty 272 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: twenty was done badly, and as a result, Republicans actually 273 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 2: were on the losing end when they should have gained 274 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: a bunch of seats. Now those seats matter because it 275 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: matters for the number of electoral votes in each state. 276 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: So as red and southern and sun belt states gain 277 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: numbers and reapportionment, they gain electoral votes, making it easier 278 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: for Republican candidates to put together to seventy. So as 279 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: twenty thirty looms, a lot of these blue wall states 280 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: are like, oh gosh, we are not going to be 281 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: the playing field anymore. If this continues, and this is 282 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: continuing trends that had already happened, but COVID made more 283 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: obvious because people were moving down to the South for weather, 284 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: for cost of living, for non unionized work. It's a 285 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: really different playing field down there, and COVID just exacerbated 286 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: that and accelerated that, and then twenty twenty kind of 287 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: covered it for a while. But twenty thirty is going 288 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: to look very different, and they are, as some have noted, 289 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 2: going to need to moderate basically for the chance at 290 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 2: winning any presidency post twenty twenty eight. Like this last gasp. 291 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: Now it's never really the last gasp. 292 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 3: Politics, never really the last gasp. You know, you and 293 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 3: I have talked about that. 294 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is interesting. So one of these experts 295 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: in this New York Times piece says, we are going 296 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: to have to call out the mistakes and overreaches of 297 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: the left that cost us the trust of voters in 298 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: the middle before we can rebuild it. I don't think 299 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: we have seen a tendency to do that at all. 300 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: And then this is the interesting part, Carol, think twenty 301 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: twenty six is not going to go well for the 302 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 2: party in power, as it almost never does. In a minute, right, 303 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: they're going to have the same problem they had in 304 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. In twenty twenty two, they did better 305 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: than they expected and it kept Biden in place. He 306 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: was like, we don't need to change anything. So I 307 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: think and this point, this piece makes this point as well. 308 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: If they do well in twenty twenty six, it will 309 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: tell them they don't need to change, and they will go, 310 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 2: let's just ride this train into twenty twenty eight without 311 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 2: making apologies, without changing much of anything. 312 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Look, and that doesn't mean that they can't 313 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: win in twenty twenty eight. 314 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 3: Obviously. 315 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: Again, you and I talk a lot on here about 316 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: not counting one of the two. 317 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 3: Major parties out. 318 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: Ever, like the people who people who really I didn't 319 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: think Trump would win in twenty sixteen, but the people 320 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: who like were like, it's not possible for him to win. 321 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 3: We've got that was like, what are you talking about? 322 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 2: There's only two parties? Yeah, that was that was the 323 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,479 Speaker 2: third option election night when I was the craziest person 324 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: on set on the part of the nine person panel. 325 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 2: I was on on CNN and said, I don't know, 326 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 2: I think he's got like a forty percent chance of 327 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: pulling this off. 328 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 3: That that seemed reasonable. 329 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 2: Turned out I was much much more right than most 330 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 2: people there. Yeah, I just assumed it. I assumes that 331 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 2: Hillary like had a ground game and stuff, and. 332 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: No turns out no, you know, moving to Florida, being 333 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: one of those people who left the blue state for 334 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: a red state, I have, for the first time in 335 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: my life, really met moderate Democrats, and they I understand 336 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: how they are so out of place and they don't 337 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: have anywhere to go. I mean, I think most of 338 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: them end up being Republicans eventually, But I really had 339 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: never really known like kind of the more normy Democrat, 340 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: the one who is horrified by what's going on in 341 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: Minneapolis but also thinks you have to enforce federal law. 342 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 2: Like these people exist. 343 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: I don't know how the Democrats ever speak to them 344 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: or find their way back to them. I don't know 345 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: how that happens. 346 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be tricky. And I grew up with 347 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 2: a ton of them in North Carolina. I knew Progressives, 348 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 2: but I also knew like redneck, good old boy hunting 349 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 2: Democrats who were not the fake kind like Tim Walls, 350 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 2: but were like really that's what they were. 351 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 3: And who Tim Walls was trying to emulate. 352 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 2: So I knew both of those people, and this is 353 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 2: a good segue to our last segment, where we will 354 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 2: find out if progressivism in the form of Spanburger, the 355 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 2: fake moderate, is going to dominate Virginia and become the 356 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,239 Speaker 2: model for the future. So we'll be back with that 357 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: on normally, Oki dok. Carol, I have told you a 358 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 2: little bit about the new adventures that we're having in Virginia, 359 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 2: at which point you said, moved to Florida, which is 360 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 2: I think I just say that though that's always the advice, yea, 361 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 2: you know, while while it's ten degrees outside noted, noted, 362 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: there's some more adventures going on in the legislature. Among 363 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 2: the many things that they have suggested, one is a 364 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 2: constitutional amendment which would allow redistricting before twenty twenty six. 365 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 2: So Virginia has a way that it does redistricting. You've 366 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 2: seen this mid decade redistricting arms race that everyone's in. Well, 367 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 2: Virginia now with a Democratic trifecta, wants to get in 368 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 2: on the action. So last special session in the fall, 369 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 2: they passed this constitutional amendment to do redistricting. They want 370 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: to pull like a ten to one Democratic Republican stunt 371 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 2: in Virginia and they got it. They want to do 372 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,479 Speaker 2: it by November, so this is a tricky timeline. They 373 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: passed it in the fall of last year, but they 374 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 2: have to pass it again in the new so it 375 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 2: comes in, they pass it again, and they're going to 376 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 2: try to put it on the ballot in April. But 377 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: it of course is being challenged in court. And yesterday 378 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 2: the first level of court, circuit court, a county circuit 379 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 2: court judge, came down with an order that basically said 380 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 2: three of four of the Republicans complaints about this are correct. 381 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 2: This is I'm putting an injunction on this. Y'all can 382 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 2: appeal up to the Supreme Court of Virginia and we'll 383 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: figure this out. But it is very interesting because I 384 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: was talking to Kim Kuchinelli, former ag in Virginia, to 385 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 2: get a sense of like where this might head, and 386 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 2: he was noting, as were some other legal friends who 387 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 2: do this work, that judges often don't rule on three 388 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 2: things at once. So this makes the bar higher for 389 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: Democrats to win in the next level of court. And 390 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: the thing is Democrats do did what they always do, 391 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 2: which is assume the rules don't apply to them. Yeah, 392 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 2: and they passed it in such a time crunch that 393 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: they couldn't do the things they were required to do 394 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 2: by law and by statute and by constitution to get 395 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 2: this on the ballot. Because the thing is, when you 396 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 2: put a constitutional amendment on the ballot, you want everyone 397 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 2: to know about it. So they have a requirement that 398 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 2: you pass this thing and then there's an intervening election 399 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 2: and then people can vote on it later. Right, you 400 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 2: also have to post it for ninety days on courthouse doors, 401 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: just like the old days, so people can see it, right, 402 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 2: And they didn't do that, And they definitely didn't do 403 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 2: it given the forty five day early voting. This judge 404 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I mean, you guys passed it in 405 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: October and a million people had already voted by that, 406 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 2: so it seems like you can't really count that as 407 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: the intervening election. A lot of observers in Virginia, and 408 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 2: maybe they're right, but the dim observers seem very hubristic 409 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 2: that this thing is going to immediately get overturned and 410 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court is going to say no, go ahead. 411 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 2: Ten to one. Sounds great, yeah, But I for one 412 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 2: hope that there are a little bit more sticklers for 413 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: the actual written down law that requires Democrats to play 414 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 2: by the rules to get a constitutional amendment past. 415 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: Man, if I had to be relying on that, though, 416 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: I would start looking at Florida listings. Dude, I know, right, 417 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: like I hear you know, and it all sounds really unfair. 418 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 2: But well, yeah, we'll see, because yeah, there is a 419 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: part of me where I look at these Democrats They're 420 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 2: like so confident that this will be a return, and 421 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, but it seems really clear that you guys 422 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 2: didn't follow the rules. And they're like, yeah, we don't care, Like, right, 423 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 2: what rules? Why would we follow? We don't do rules. Yeah, 424 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: so we will see what happens. But this is yet 425 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: another chapter in the redistricting wars, which are, by the way, 426 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 2: really complicating my job as a commentator because you don't 427 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 2: even know what the districts are until spring of spring 428 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: or summer of twenty twenty six, so that you can 429 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: study before fall of twenty twenty six. Yeah, thanks the 430 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 2: low guys, right, thanks a lot. 431 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm worrying about Virginia. 432 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: I have a Fox piece in the next I don't 433 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 1: know days about it, how I just things seem to 434 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: be moving rapidly in the other direction. 435 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 3: And I know you're there to fight the fight, and 436 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 3: I believe in you. 437 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: I do well here. But yeah, it's not good look 438 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 2: at it. We could look at it in this way. Yeah, 439 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 2: and that is perhaps this is the warning shot for 440 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 2: everyone around the country pre twenty twenty six and twenty 441 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 2: twenty eight that like the thing they tell you you're 442 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: getting when they say they are moderate democratic? Yeah, yeah, 443 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 2: what's not what you're getting? And I think if the 444 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: more people who see that, the better. And I would say, 445 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 2: speaking of watching all these democratic observers, left leaning folks 446 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: who follow Virginia politics, they all seem very salty that 447 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: we're paying attention to this. 448 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 3: Right, Like why do you even care about where you live? 449 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: State legislatures are not really used to having a bunch 450 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 2: of heat on them. Certainly, this legal process is not 451 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 2: one that people are used to having a bunch of 452 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: folks pay attention to. So I think the fact that 453 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: the spotlight is making them smart seems good A good sign. Yeah, 454 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: I like that. Let's go where. 455 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe in MK. 456 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: I think you got this. Well, see, we'll we'll do 457 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 2: our best over here. 458 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 3: Well, thanks for joining us on normally. 459 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere 460 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: you get your podcast to get in touch with us 461 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: at normallythepod at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening, and 462 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: when things get weird at normally