1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Rick bro Leside has the first Annimore up the side 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: by forty thirty forty ten to five touchdown. Joston. There 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: is no off season for your Houston Texans. Game day 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: is every day. No, it's Texans All Lexus, Hello Texans. 5 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: Mark Vandermer with you with John Harris and the General Tonight, 6 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: John McClain from the Houston Chronicle. I am in the 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: sports radio six ten studios. The guys are ready to 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: rock here and let's go. We'll talk about Jonathan Joseph 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: in just a few moments, but general, let's start here. 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: I want to know if you are part of the 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: quickly assembled media tribunal condemning the Texans into eternity for 12 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: the atrocity of canceling a couple of practices when they've 13 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: practiced probably as much as, if not more than any 14 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: team in the league. Tell me, well, there's two things 15 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: that are among the dumbest I've ever heard. First of all, 16 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: David Culley put it out perfectly. After phase one, which 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: was conditioning, you had four weeks of two phases when 18 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: you were on the field with the coaches. The Union 19 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: was telling players stay away, so you could have had 20 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: those four weeks with phase two and three with on 21 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: field coaching with some players, and then you could add 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: all of them but one for three days at a minicamp, 23 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: or as Cully wanted, having almost all the players there 24 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: for eight weeks and canceling three days. So to me, 25 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: it's a no brainer. The other dumbest thing I've heard, 26 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: I've been asking about it all day on talk shows. 27 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: Did the Texans cancel the minicamp to keep from finding 28 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: Seawan Watson? That may be the dullest thing I've ever heard, 29 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: because number One, they didn't have to find him. There's 30 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: no rule that says you'd find him if Watson came. 31 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: If Watson wasn't there and he wasn't gonna be, they 32 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: didn't have to find him. So why would they do that. 33 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: That's don't know the rules. Number Two, would they find him? 34 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: Of course they would have find it. You know he's 35 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: not there. You know they're not trying to sweet talk 36 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: him like the Packers are with Aaron Rodgers. They know 37 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: Watson's not coming back. Watson has told him since the 38 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: season ended he wants out in the worst way and 39 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: he'll do whatever he can to get out. So to 40 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: even think that they cancel the mini camp to keep 41 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: from finding is someone who is clueless about the rules. 42 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: But you know, I few Mark. Yeah, we've been hearing 43 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: cuts from you all day Johnny Show. I've had a 44 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: lot of people as me on talk shows because they 45 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: didn't pay any attention to what Cully said. And when 46 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: I explained it to him, I wanted to say, read 47 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: my column. It's all explained there, but I couldn't do 48 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: it because there's all in other cities. And I explained 49 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: it and they go, oh okay, and they said, well, 50 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: I don't know how a coach who's new, with fifty 51 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: new players, including forty two veterans, with a new defensive system, 52 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: new quarterbacks wouldn't need those other three practices. And I said, well, 53 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: it's simple, and I put it on them. What would 54 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: you do? Would you take a lot of players for 55 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: four weeks that you could coach them on the field, 56 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: or would you take a few players for four weeks 57 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: and all but one for three days? Yeah? I think 58 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: no brainer. And everybody realized it's so well put by 59 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: you general. It's about quality and quantity, and they had 60 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: the most quantity and most quality that they could muster 61 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: with this arrangement. That they made, and I think I 62 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 1: want to straighten something out for those sitting audience, because 63 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people hear mini camp and they think, 64 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, mini camp is exactly the same as 65 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: what they've been doing. There's never any difference between mini 66 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: camp and an OTA practice. There's no difference other than 67 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 1: it's mandatory. That's it. It's not like they can put 68 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: the pads on or do different things. It's the same thing. 69 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: And here's another thing. The teams that are having mini 70 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: camp this week, they have the same number as A 71 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: practices as anybody who's just done the OTA's up to 72 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: this point and had mini camps scheduled for next week. 73 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: It's the same thing. If you have mini camp this week, 74 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: it's the same thing as an OTA. They're calling it 75 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: quits now too, not that we're like everybody else and whatever. 76 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: You're coming off four and twelve if you want to 77 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: be good. But you spelled it out very well general, Well, 78 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: let me spell it out another way. Somebody asked me, well, 79 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: the Buccaneers are having a mini camp. I said, well, 80 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: of course they're having a mini camp because their players 81 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: didn't show up for the off season program. They followed 82 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: the lead of the union and Tom Brady, and they 83 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: worked out on their own with Brady. So of course 84 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: they're going to show up when it's mandatory so they 85 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: can show Bruce arians hey, here's what we've been doing. 86 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: And so that's a no brainer as well. So I 87 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: don't know why everybody would get upset something that you 88 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: just say it. Would you rather have almost everybody for 89 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: four weeks or would you like to have all but 90 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: one for three days? That's what it boiled down to. 91 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: And Bill O'Brien, you know, he never made him stay 92 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: for that third day of the mini camp. It was 93 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: the first two cull He mentioned two and a half 94 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: days because O'Brien wanted to reward him. But you're right, 95 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: it's no different. The whole off season program is Eddie 96 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: Kake football. It's all about the mental, not the physical. 97 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: And before Johnny says something, John McLean, I think that 98 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: it's worth noting. I believe that there's less done this 99 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: year than previous years as well, I mean previously non 100 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: COVID years. It just seems that way around the league 101 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: that they've throttled it back even more in order to 102 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: convince the players to come in and do whatever they 103 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: need them to do. Today's players better be glad they're 104 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: playing today. Yeah, good point. I used to say, excuse me, John, 105 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: I remember nineteen ninety three, Buddy Ryan was are as 106 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator for the Oilers and they would practice in shorts, 107 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: t shirts and helmets, and he would make them hit 108 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: each other and they would get in fist fights in practice, 109 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: and we'd be sitting there watching the players go at it. 110 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: It was quite entertaining MMA before there was NMA, and 111 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: I'd watch veteran players going into the locker room with 112 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: blood pouring out of their noses and mouth, and the 113 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: coaches loved it. And today, as it was it, Bobby 114 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: King and said, they're out there in their night gowns. 115 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: And because as a good way to put what the 116 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: offseason program is, times have changed, players have changed, The 117 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: Union has more muscle than it gives to and so 118 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: what the players want is what you do most of 119 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,679 Speaker 1: the time. And I've said before and I'll say it again, 120 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: had the Union spent as much and yeah, but season 121 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: program generals dropping out a bit. Go ahead, Johnny, Well, 122 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: I think the one I feel like I was in 123 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: this all morning and I was just like man like, 124 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: I mean, as Alan Iras said, we're talking about practice, 125 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: We're talking about practicing, and not only talking about practice, 126 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about spring practice. Where as the general said, 127 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: it is it's patty cake. But to your point, Mark, 128 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: a couple of things. Number One, for those people that 129 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: want to sit there and go to the Texans, the 130 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: Texans decided this. Yeah, along with thirty one of their teams. 131 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: All thirty two teams sat down. Knew what the nfl 132 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: PA was saying. It was not manating to the players, 133 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: but was suggesting to the players and suggesting strongly. They 134 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: sat down and said, okay, let's try and work this out. 135 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: The Colts had two weeks of OTAs in berets and socks, like, 136 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: I don't even think they put cleats on when they 137 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: went out for a couple of weeks. So like, honestly like, well, 138 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: I mean in the culture, oh oh, but the Colts 139 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: are attend. Yeah, they're breaking in a new quarterback who 140 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: needs every ounce of time seemingly to get right for 141 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one season. So you know, I just 142 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: the frustration I had was this was a suspect move, 143 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: this was done and had to shun in mind. And 144 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: then basically what I kind of came around on, not 145 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,239 Speaker 1: even came around on, but you try and narrow things down. 146 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: It's like, well, Texas for four twelve, they should be 147 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: out there every single moment of the day. Basically, I'm like, 148 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: hold up, hold up, there comes a point of diminishing returns. 149 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: You're not gonna turn a particular play. You're not gonna 150 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: turn big Z into DJ reader because he has two 151 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: days of a mini camp. You know, we got a 152 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: lot out of him. This, We've already got a ton 153 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: out of him. Two more days. Um is not going 154 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: to turn a guy from a middling starter to an 155 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: all pro. The General said it, not to single him out, 156 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: but you might not get some of these guys early 157 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: on if you didn't have this carrot at the end. Absolutely, 158 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: and absolutely, and here's the other thing. Here's the other thing. 159 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: And this goes to the General's point. You brought the Buccaneers. 160 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: The Buccaneers had basically split practice, so the only time 161 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: that they had the majority of the team altogether was 162 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: at their mini camp. That's it. The Texans had the 163 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: majority of their team together for three weeks. Which one 164 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: you want, Which one you want? Oh, but the bucks 165 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: of the champs. Oh okay? Is that? Is that the 166 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: delineation now? Because if you want a title, okay, well 167 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: you can do certain things because you won that title 168 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: versus where you're four and twelve, so you have to 169 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: do them at a whole completely for great. What do 170 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: you think the offseason has been for this team? It's 171 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: been done, everything's been done different, they're recharging everything. So 172 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: at that point they rewarded them for being the stewards 173 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: they were throughout that time getting good work done in 174 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: the OTAs. It was agreed upon by the team and 175 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: the players. They were cool with it, and thirty one 176 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: of their teams came up with what they thought they 177 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 1: should do for their particular situation as well, and all 178 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: thirty two teams have a different situation, and so the 179 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: Texas decided this was the best for them. They got 180 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: great work done. And now it's on a training camp 181 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: and I know, I am done talking about this nonsense. 182 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: It's so stupid to me that we're getting fired up 183 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: over two freaking minicamp practices. I mean, we have people 184 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: out there never got Hey, I'm gonna give you Friday off. 185 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: You gotta turn on go no, no, you know we 186 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: only matter sales quota by ten thousand dollars last month. 187 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay here on a Friday till seven fucking 188 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: night to make sure I get it time. I think 189 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: it's even different. I don't even know if that works, 190 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: but all right, so let's move on. You're right, Johnny's 191 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: we need to move on, and let's talk about JJO 192 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: for a moment, because he called it quits today, John McClain, 193 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: and he's played more games than any defensive player in 194 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: the history of the franchise. I think it says a 195 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 1: lot that when he got here, and I know a 196 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: lot of things changed when he got here because he 197 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: had Wade Phillips and drafted JJ and he had a 198 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: good defense developing. But he was here for all of 199 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: it those nine years. Six division titles, four playoff wins, 200 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: the culture changed, three top three finishes on defense. Your 201 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: thoughts on Jjoe hanging up the cleats. I've never met 202 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: a classier guy. And Jonathon Joseph when Rake Smith was here, 203 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: and then when Bill O'Brien was in charge, they wanted 204 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: him after his careers over to come back and work. 205 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: There's a coach front office any role he wanted, and 206 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: I think there was a good chance he would have 207 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: done that. And I'll never forget Rack Smith was trying 208 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: to sign Nambie Issomwa, the corner from the Raiders who 209 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: was considered one of the best in the league, and 210 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: he was in almost to the end, and I believe 211 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: j joseis and was Jason Chatt and he said, look, 212 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: if you're if you're going to continue to pursue iswah, 213 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: We're going somewhere else. And Rigg made a decision turned 214 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: out to be one of the best Enfranchise history. He 215 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: dropped his pursuit of Aswa and he signed Jonathan Joseph 216 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: and he took the extra money that he had saved 217 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: on the difference in the contracts and put it toward 218 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: Daniel Manning the safety. And those guys came in, and 219 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 1: you mentioned JJ and Wade, Connor Barwin came back from 220 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: an injury, and they went from one of the worst 221 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: defenses thirtieth against the past. I believed what was at 222 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 1: top three or four in Wade's first year and they 223 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: won the first title, first playoff game. And I think 224 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: that Jonathan Joseph should be the next player to go 225 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: up in the Ring of Honor along with Bob McNair 226 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 1: and Andre Johnson, because I think he's very deserving. He 227 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: was a great player for a long time. He was 228 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: a team later media loved him and respected him. That's 229 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: the kind of guy you want his name up in 230 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: the lights. It's interesting. We did Texas three sixty today 231 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: and as we were recording, we were setting up for 232 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: one of our film rooms, and I don't know if 233 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: our guys got tipped off. I don't know if Mark 234 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: total something. I don't know if we knew anything. I 235 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: was I don't want to say shocked by the news today, 236 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: but I saw him was like, WHOA. I didn't know 237 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: it was coming. But Saturday night I Texas three sixty. 238 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: We break down, I break down the pick six that 239 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 1: Jonathan Joseph had against the Buffalo Bills. I don't know 240 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: if that was just happenstance, if he just worked out 241 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: that way, but it's a nice coincidence belong those lines. 242 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: John you've been covering Houston professional football since back in 243 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: the seventies. Where would you put j Joe As it 244 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: pertains the secondary player, safeties, corners. I know guys sometimes 245 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: played both. You know depending on where they played, But 246 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: between others and Texans, where would you rank Jjoe amongst 247 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: the secondary guys that I've played in this city. He's 248 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: one of the best. He came in, he played. It's 249 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: hard to believe. Every time I used to look at 250 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: him and he wasn't small, but I was amazed at 251 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: the durability. But fifteen years in the NFL, they listed 252 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: Jonathan at six foot. I went back and looked at 253 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: the combine. He is five to eleven his measurements there. 254 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: But the fact he was able to play fifteen years 255 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: in the NFL is just incredible. Said so much about 256 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: his preparation, his training, his luck of course, and all 257 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: the while he was good. And he got that last 258 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: year in with the Cardinals, and I'm guessing. I know 259 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: he kept his house here, so I'm guessing he'll come 260 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: back to Houston and then wait to see what the 261 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: next part of his career will be. And I tweeted today, 262 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: if I'm NFL teams, I'm finding up to get him 263 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: in my organization because I've never known anybody who was 264 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: more respected by the players. I'm not saying he was 265 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: the most respected, but I've never known anybody more respected 266 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: because of the way he handles situations, the way he 267 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: treated people, the example he said, and it didn't matter 268 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: if you were winning or losing. You know, he always 269 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: was on that even kill. And looking back, Rick Smith's 270 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: decision was the best free agent signing in Texans history. Wow. Yeah, 271 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: it certainly was. General. And when you look at the 272 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: games played for defenders, I really thought, well, Whitney might 273 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: have moreton No Kareem, Oh, Kareem was drafted in twenty ten. 274 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: What about Cushing? No, no, no, not why because of 275 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: the injuries. It's Jonathan Joseph the most games played for 276 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: any defender in the history of the franchise. So we'll 277 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: see what happens in his post playing career. And while 278 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: we're talking secondary and let's just talk defense in general 279 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: here general, how did you feel about some of the 280 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: things you saw? I know we really weren't able to 281 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: see much during ots, But now that this section of 282 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: the off season is over and we're headed toward camp, 283 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: what are some of your expectations about what they could 284 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: possibly do with the personnel they have on defense going in? 285 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: All the changes are going to be in the front seven. 286 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: I mean, we know Bradley Roby's going to be a 287 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: starter at corner. Vernon R. Graves started sixteen games last year. 288 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: They got a lot of new corners. I'm guessing that 289 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: we know Justin Reid's gonna start at safety. Safety has 290 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: undergone the least amount of turnover because you have Eric 291 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: Murray the other starter. Lonnie Johnson started five games, got 292 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: a j Moore back, They added Terence Brooks, and I 293 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: think Nick Cassario will continue to churn this roster. He'll 294 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: make some more additions by the time they get to camp. 295 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: I think while camp's going and players get cut, he 296 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: will be constantly bringing him through that revolving door into 297 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: the regular season as they try to fit all the 298 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: pieces into the puzzle. And I'm looking at quarterbacks. Of course, 299 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: we always look at the quarterbacks. The new receivers. See 300 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: who's going to play opposite opposite Brandon Cooks. Can Randall 301 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: Cobb come back from his injury and play in the slot. 302 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: The development of Nico Collins and the running game, to me, 303 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: they have the backs. They know who they're going to be. 304 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: Rex Burkhead is behind because he's coming off knee surgery. 305 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: But it's pretty obvious Casseario wanted him in here because 306 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: of the kind of guy is where he came from, 307 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: what he accomplished in a role in New England. But 308 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: I'm guessing he's great in the locker room, great on 309 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: the practice field, the kind of guy you want around 310 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: other players, and that seems to be what they have 311 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: with all those running backs. We interviewed Philip Lindsay for 312 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: the first time, and I thought he was terrific with 313 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: a seventeen game season with a renewed emphasis on the 314 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: running game, which I'm writing about for Sunday. They ran 315 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: the ball less than any time in their history last 316 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: year for the second fewest yards in history. Tim Kelly's 317 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: gonna have to call more running plays. Well, a lot 318 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: of those runs were by DeShawn Watson that weren't designed. 319 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: So this is going to be a run heavy team 320 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: because Culley comes from Baltimore, Casserio from New England, where 321 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: both those teams like to run the ball. It's just 322 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: a matter of who'll get the most carries. I bet 323 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: no player on this team averages fifteen carries a game, 324 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: so that is set not who starts, but who the 325 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: top guys are. And then what I'm interested about the 326 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: interior line. We know Justin Brett is going to start. 327 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: I talked to a friend of mine has been in 328 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: the Seahawks front office for years. He said, if Brett's healthy, 329 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: they're gonna love him. Their great guy, team leader, tough, 330 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: likes to beat people up. He's on a mission because 331 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: he was unable to play last year coming off the knee. Well, 332 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: who are the guards going to be? We asked James 333 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: Camping about the car petition at right tackle between Titus 334 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: Howard and Marcus Kennon, And I think if Marcus Kennon 335 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: wins that job's good chance Titus could go to guard, 336 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: where they put him in his first training camp as 337 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: a number one pick, because you want your five best 338 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,959 Speaker 1: guys on the field, and you know Titus is going 339 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: to be one. But offensive lineman loved to fire off 340 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: the ball. Last year, they spent most of their time 341 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 1: retreating in past coverage. And that mentality, that mindset of 342 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: running first is something they're trying to instill here. And 343 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: I think that they may run the ball almost as 344 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: much as they throw it. Coach did that in twenty eighteen, 345 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck was thrown it a ton and finally they want. 346 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: You know, Frank, you know Chris Baller went to Frank 347 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: Regan and said, run the ball. Let those young dudes 348 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: fire off and hit somebody, and that it changed everything 349 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: for them as far as just the entire mentality of 350 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: the team. It became focused on the offensive line of 351 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: Jenerary sort of stole my thunder if you had to 352 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: predict right now what that five would be up front, 353 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: because listen to James Camping and we had a great 354 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: interview with him, but listen to him later on. He 355 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: made a comment about Marcus Cannon and right tackle, and 356 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: I don't see him moving off right tackle. So I thought, 357 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: We'll wait a second. How does that mean those five 358 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: then come together? How do you think the five is 359 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: going to be? All things considered, everybody being healthy, But 360 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: how do you think that five is going to come together? Well, 361 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: Gannon is not gonna play guard. He played bard briefly 362 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: with the Patriots and he was not good, and they 363 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: moved him to tackle. Either he's gonna be the swing 364 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: tackle or he's gonna be the starter. And a guy 365 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: to keep an eye on is Lane Taylor. He's thirty one, 366 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: nine year veteran. He was ticketed to start in Green 367 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: Bay and when James Camping was the coach, and like 368 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: so many players that Cassario has signed, they were they 369 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: were productive and then they got hurt. They're coming off 370 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: injuries and like justin Bred, like Philip Lindsay, and there 371 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: are others, and those guys are healthy now, not all 372 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: up like Rex Burkhead. But I would imagine we know 373 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: Brett will be the center. I'm gonna predict Cannon wins 374 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: the right tackle guard the position and Titus Howard moves 375 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: to guard and that the other guard if not Max Sharpie, 376 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: and Max's really gonna have to improve over last year. 377 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: But the fact is they have depth. They had competition 378 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: the line. This time last year, we were not worried 379 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: about the offensive line at all. It seems so hard 380 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: to believe that just two seasons ago they breached the 381 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: second round of the playoffs. That seems to me like 382 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: five years ago. But Max Sharpy played well as a rookie. 383 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: This time last year we were now worried about the line. 384 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: It played really well in twenty nineteen. Then, like so 385 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: many players and positions, they took a big step back 386 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: last year. But I'm really eager to see what James 387 00:20:53,920 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: Camping can do. As in Conserio, it's amazing. Leave. Let's 388 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: see that they have sixteen on this team, and nine 389 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: of them are new. And I'll say something else about 390 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: this time of the season. The coaches don't have a 391 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: clue who the starters are gonna be. They haven't seen 392 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: these guys hit. They didn't They didn't seen a running back, 393 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: break of tackle, break to the outside. They haven't seen 394 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: them pull, they haven't seen people blow them off the line, 395 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: and they're not really going to until they get to 396 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: the three preseason games. Yeah, well, you're smarter than any 397 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: coach in general. So that's why I asked you. Uh, well, 398 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: that's h I think right now, if we if we 399 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: had to pick starters that we know are gonna be starters, 400 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: there's not many. Torod Taylor, yes, Brandon Cooks, Yes, Laremy 401 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: Tunsil Yes. Three weeks ago, I would have said Titus Howard, 402 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: But now because of Marcus Cannon, I'm not sure. At 403 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: tackle Justin Brett, Yes, defensive line, I'm guessing because Shack 404 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: Lawson was acquired in the trade, he'll start. But they've 405 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: brought in so many new guys we don't know Zach Cunningham, Yes, 406 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: Robie Yes, and Read Yes. That's only three for sure 407 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: on defense and four on offense. Only seven guys I 408 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: can safely say we'll start barring injury. Yeah, I think 409 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: you could name a bunch of guys who are sixty 410 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: forty seventy thirty likely to start. But you're right to 411 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: come up with virtual certainties as pretty difficult with this 412 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: team general. Before we let you go in between last 413 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: time we had John and this time we have Julio 414 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: Jones joining the Tennessee Titans. What about that they everage 415 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: thirty one points a game last year without Julio Jones. 416 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: And I don't think Jones will be there long because A. J. 417 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: Brown's gonna needing a contract, and I don't think anybody's 418 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: gonna pay two wide receivers kind of money that Jones 419 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: makes and may want if he plays well this season, 420 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: and Brown is certainly going to get it. I think 421 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: it helps ride Tannehill of Wars, but it also should 422 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: help Derrick Henry in a seventeen game season, he doesn't 423 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,239 Speaker 1: need to be carrying a ball as much as he 424 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 1: does over the first part of the season. Get him 425 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: ready for the stretch drive. Their offense is going to 426 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: be prolific, maybe the best in the league along with 427 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: Kansas City, and their defense is going to give up 428 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: a lot of points. And I think this puts them 429 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: right behind the Chiefs as leaders contenders for the Super Bowl. 430 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: All right, General, what do you have going out in 431 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: the Houston Chronicle. I've got that Sunday column on the 432 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: renewed emphasis on the on the running game. We've got 433 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: a new podcast up, and even though the Texans are done, 434 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: just like you guys, Texas Sports Nation, A chronicle will 435 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: keep churning out the stories. Thank you guys very much, 436 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: Mark john It's always a pleasure. Thank you, Always a 437 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: pleasure in general. All right, So Julio had ninety nine 438 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: catches two years ago full season twenty nineteen. Is he 439 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: gonna be happy with the volume of receptions he gets 440 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one? We will discuss that when we 441 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: go around the league. But also next Johnny and I 442 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: will talk a little bit about the college football playoff idea. 443 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: Is that suitable? And more on your Texans as they 444 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: break OTAs and get ready for training camp that starts 445 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: in late July. 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Listen, Johnny, I was the one with rants. Okay, 465 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: I think you know you had rants back in the day, 466 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,959 Speaker 1: but on Texans Radio, not many rants. I've had the rants, 467 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: but now you're joining the rant club and I like it. 468 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: I like it. I didn't I didn't mean too. I 469 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: just was I was fired up, and you know, I 470 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: just yeah, I just got fired up. And then of 471 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: course it got on you know, it was on Twitter 472 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: this morning, and it's like, you know, trying to do 473 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: something on Twitter is it's awful. It's it's you just can't. 474 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: You can't do that in two hundred and eighty characters 475 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: because you start going down one path and oh are 476 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: you saying this? And it's like, man, okay, I didn't 477 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: finish right, here's what I need to say. And so anyways, 478 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: it's it's tough, but I you know, look, you can't 479 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: have a nuance on Twitter. Yeah, definitely, it's definitely not. 480 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: And I think I think my point a lot of 481 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: a lot of points to be made, but one of 482 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: them is, you know, and this is why and the 483 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:22,719 Speaker 1: general is sort of breaking up. I was gonna ask 484 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: him this question at some point, but I asked him, 485 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: I know this at least two or maybe three times 486 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: mark when we would get together. As we was we 487 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: headed into the off season, and I would ask him general, 488 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: what do you think the off season is gonna be 489 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: like in the future, because I saw what was I 490 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: saw what was going on, and that was, you know, 491 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: the NFLPA saying, hey, we don't know about this, and look, 492 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: I understand there's still COVID lingering out there, so I 493 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: know that's a that's a factor and all that. Like, 494 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: I understand all that, I get all that. I understand 495 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: the players saying, look, if we can do things virtual, 496 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: let's do them virtual. But I could also see that 497 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: I don't think the teams want to do that, so 498 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: there's gonna have to be some sort of negotiation in 499 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: some way, shape or form. How do we see this 500 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: this going I asked him that two or three times 501 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: for that particular reason. But I think it was the 502 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: what I took out of, you know, reading comments on Twitter, 503 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: what I had heard from people, and what I saw 504 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: red whatever, was just that that, oh, this is the 505 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: Texans decision. This is the Texans decision. It's like no 506 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 1: every team in the league had to sit down with 507 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: their players, their leaders and come to conclusion on what 508 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: they were going to do and how they were going 509 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: to do it. And what best served that particular team 510 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: at that particular time. So I just that that I 511 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: think is what is what bother? I mean, I think 512 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: the other part of it, and this is I didn't 513 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: want to get this. Well, you know, Mark and I 514 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: are in the building, so we see stuff sort of thing. 515 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: But there's some stuff. There's sometimes that we see things 516 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: and we know we can't opine on them. It's like, ah, man, 517 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: like you want to say. So there's a lot of 518 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: stuff sometimes building up. And I think the jinga peg 519 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,959 Speaker 1: got pulled out with that whole thing yesterday, and it's 520 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: because people asked that, well, why did you get so 521 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: upset about that? I said, no, it really wasn't that. 522 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: But it's like you play the game jing a, right, 523 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: you pull out the one peg, one peg, one peg, 524 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: and whole thing stands up, and then you pull out 525 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: that final peg, the whole thing crashes, and that it 526 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: was kind of the way I feel yesterday. Um, And 527 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: you know, moving on off season over, move on to 528 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: training camp and let's get ready for this twenty twenty 529 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 1: one season. You know, I think it would be interesting 530 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: to hear some of the guys and maybe they've done it. 531 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: I've just missed it, So I'll give them the benefit 532 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: of a doubt. But being former members of the union, 533 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: how this thing plays this offseason because the Union used 534 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: COVID And I get it, because, look, you have concerns. 535 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: You have a lot of guys who are not vaxed 536 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: totally and concerned, and I get it, and some guys 537 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: who are vaxed might be concerned and you want to 538 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: be sensitive to that. There's no question. When this whole 539 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: thing began, this offseason program, it looked different pandemic wise. 540 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: Then things look now, right, So you have to take 541 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: all that into consideration. When they met and put the 542 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: program together, they took all of that into consideration and 543 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: they came up with what they did. All right, So 544 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: here they are. Any other thoughts on j Joe? Because 545 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: I thought that was a big It wasn't almost today, 546 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: but it was a big It was a big bit 547 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: of news, I thought, and it sent me right to 548 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: my keyboard. Johnny, I mean, I just had no I 549 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: did not know it was coming, but I figured it 550 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: was coming at some point because look, we all know 551 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: what happened last year at Titans and then he got released. 552 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: Right then he ends up with the Cardinals, and look, 553 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: I mean, how much longer can you go? And I 554 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: always thought with j Joe, uh, the thing was he 555 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: played through injury often, right, he'd be on the injury 556 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: report and you'd think, you know, usually he'd have situations 557 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: where usually guys might not play, and then all of 558 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: a sudden he shows up in plays and very often 559 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: you'd have, um, well, very often you do have players 560 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: who go out and they're questionable to return. Within the 561 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: context of a given game. I mean, that's almost you're 562 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: not coming back if you're questionable to return. He's done 563 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: it at least twice as a Texan where he's questionable 564 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: to come back, and all of a sudden he's back. 565 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: And that's J Joe. And he's so tough, he's so durable, 566 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: and that's why he's able to play more games than 567 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: anybody else in Texans history, despite the fact that he 568 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: spent his first five seasons in Cincinnati and then last 569 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: season with two other teams. That's impressive stuff. And remember 570 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: he didn't need a salad for a long time. I mean, 571 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: it's not like he's Aaron Glenn, you know. And speaking 572 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: of Aaron Glenn, one of the great memories I have 573 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: is joint practices with the Saints at NRG Park and 574 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: Aaron and Jjoe talking and I said, let me get 575 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: a picture of you two guys, And I said, you 576 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: know what, forget about that. I'm getting in the middle here. 577 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: I am making this about me and my memories doing 578 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: what I do for the Texans, because hey, I'll never 579 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: I might not get this opportunity. Jjoe as the player, 580 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: a G as the OG and now an assistant coach 581 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: with the Saints. Now he's with Detroit as the defensive coordinator. 582 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: But I love both of those guys so much, and 583 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: I've done shows with both of them, and it's just 584 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: great to see j Joe wrap it up and I'm 585 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: eager to see what he does next with his life. Well, 586 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: we know all the great plays that Jonathan made, and 587 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: like I said, Texas three sixty Saturday and night, I'll 588 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: break down the pick six against Buffalo, which it was. 589 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: So it was so interesting to go in the locker 590 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: room with him and talk with him. I think he 591 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: was our player of the game. And I asked him 592 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: about that play obviously, and he said in the huddle 593 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: he had told Tyre and he said, if he throws 594 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: that thing again. I'm taking it to the house and 595 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: Peterman threw it again. But one one situation that particular 596 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: year that I don't think anybody will remember, but to me, 597 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: it kind of tells you everything about j Joe. We 598 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: had gone to Philadelphia and late in the year, and 599 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people remember that game, and it was 600 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: it was unbelievable football game, but we had gone down 601 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: two touchdowns and at some point the third quarter, Jjo 602 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: had gone out of the game and we are already 603 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: banged up. Kareem I think, had come out of that game. 604 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: One of the free aging corners that played like six 605 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: plays that year had had gone out of the game. 606 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: So we were thin, and we come back, Vincent catches 607 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: that touchdown, we take the lead, and I'll never forget. 608 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: We go out for the next series and Jjo had 609 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: not been in. He's out on the field. He's tying 610 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: his shoes to go back in the game, and I'm like, okay, 611 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: it's winning time, and he's going out there to make 612 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: sure that he's on the field for that drive. Now, 613 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: obviously we know they've kicked the field go win the game, 614 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: but I just remember him going out there like he 615 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,719 Speaker 1: knew it was time and that they were so they 616 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: were so banged up, and he was like, I just 617 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: I've got to go out there. And I just remember 618 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: him putting on his shoes. In fact, they may have 619 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: been helping him put his shoes on as he went 620 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: out on the field for that final drive, and it 621 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: was I just remember thinking, I want to win this game. 622 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: Because that's a story I'll tell forever. I'll still tell 623 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: it because I think it tells you everything about Jjoe 624 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: that when his team needed him most, he was always 625 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: going to step up for them. He was as good 626 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: a teammate, he was as good a teammate as he 627 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: was a player. He was a damn good player. I 628 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: just love that he's part of that whole renaissance. While 629 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: it's not renaissance, it's like the surge of the Texans 630 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: franchise in twenty eleven. And look, there are a lot 631 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: of characters who played parts prominent roles in that surge. 632 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: When you have Wade Phillips be your defensive coordinator, draft 633 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: jj Although the first year Watt wasn't incredibly productive, but 634 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: he was really good and then he had unbelievable playoff 635 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: moments and all the other guys who contributed to that, 636 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to name them all right now, but 637 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: Jjo played more games than anybody during that period, and 638 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: it says a lot about him. And it's not just 639 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: that having offensive players on the Texans Players Show and 640 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: them talking about Yeah, when I want to know something, 641 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: come up to ask Jonathan Joseph about it, like, wait, 642 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: what he plays cornerback? You know, Hopy used to talk 643 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: about it. Other guys talked about it, not just football 644 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: stuff but life. He's that kind of guy. So yes, 645 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: he can't help an organization. We'll see if that's something 646 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: he wants to do or whatever. I can't remember everything 647 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: he said about what he wanted to do post playing career, 648 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: even though you knew he was getting closer and closer. 649 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: You played for so many years. But I love that 650 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: Glenn played for so long in the league, and so 651 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: did Jonathan. I wish Aaron played here longer, but he's 652 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: with the Jets for so long, then he goes to 653 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: the Cowboys, a little bit with the Saints, and we 654 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: know the rest is history. So yeah, it's it's something 655 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to point out. I tweeted something about it 656 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: right away. I wrote an article on Houston Texans dot 657 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: com a Texas sized contribution from Jonathan Joseph, and all 658 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: the numbers are there of what the team, the organization 659 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: was able to accomplish once he joined it. Again, not 660 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: all because of him. It's ultimate team game, but he 661 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,879 Speaker 1: was a huge part of that stuff. You know, Mark, 662 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of lately kind of consternation about 663 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: open locker room. Yeah, And I've always kind of felt like, 664 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: you know, open locker room. I was one of those 665 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: kind of take it or leave it. I would always 666 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: go through there to see who would be in there, 667 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: you know, from our you know, our player grew from 668 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: our rosher, and you know, is there anybody kind of 669 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: hanging out that day? You know, DJ Reader would be 670 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: as lockers sometime we talked about baseball, you know, we 671 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: might talk about you know, his kid. I mean, we 672 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: might talk about that. Jonathan would be in there every 673 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 1: single time for the media, every single time, like he 674 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: was the he was the go to. And there would 675 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: be times when the rock locker room would be a 676 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: little bit more crowded. And I remember one time, I 677 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: think it may have been in twenty nineteen maybe and 678 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: his son he had posted his son's football video and 679 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 1: it was unbelievable, and so I was asking about it 680 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: and dep was standing there, and then three of us 681 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: had a conversation just about it, about being a parent, 682 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, you know, raising kids, and we talked for 683 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: a good ten twelve minutes in the locker room. And 684 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: it was never anything that was gonna show up on 685 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: Texans radio. We were never gonna talk about it, um 686 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: you know what we talked about, all that kind of stuff, 687 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: But it was just he sat in just gent twelve 688 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: minutes just chit chat with us, and I just was 689 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: like that was it was something that I didn't take 690 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: for and like I thought, that was as cool as 691 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: it gets an NFL player with his pedigree, just nice 692 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: as he could be, just talking about life, just talking 693 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: about kids. It was to me the epitome of him 694 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: and what he was and how great a person he was. 695 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: And I hope that he is going to find a 696 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: way to be with us for a long time the 697 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: Texans in whatever capacity we can have him in. He 698 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: would be unbelievable. But I know he'll be successful wherever 699 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: he goes. I mean, he just is. He's just incredible, 700 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: and I The only regret I have, Mark, is that 701 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: you didn't bring me over twenty eleven when he was 702 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: first starting with the Texans, so I could have Canvas 703 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: his entire career. But you got me over soon enough, 704 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: and that was really enough to see the greatness of 705 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: j Joe for the years I've been here. I mean 706 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,280 Speaker 1: some of the numbers, all right, So they were first 707 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: in defense in twenty sixteen, twenty fifteen they were third. 708 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: Think about that. You're third in defense in twenty fifteen, 709 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 1: first in twenty sixteen. Obviously he didn't have the offense 710 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: is really matching up very well with what the defenses 711 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: were able to do those years. In twenty fourteen, you 712 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: were number one in takeaways in the National Football League. 713 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: That's you know, those three years were pretty packed with 714 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: good defensive performances among the other years we've talked about. 715 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: And twenty eighteen another another good finish defensively. Okay, I 716 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: know not that doesn't mean every moment was perfect, believe me, 717 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,760 Speaker 1: but that was the nine game winning streak and all that. Johnny, 718 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: Let's talk college football playoff and whatever else is going 719 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: on around the NFL. 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And I guessed he 737 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: was thirty and he's actually forty, So I said, I don't. 738 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 1: I don't know what you're doing, Eddie. You look great, 739 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: he said, he moisturizes. So that's that's gonna be a 740 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: big foliate to Eddie. Yeah, Eddie probably exfoliates too. Yeah, 741 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: I can see it's a big exfoliating brush. Yeah. Of 742 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: course that was the secret agent theme an old TV show. 743 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: I can't believe that he knew it. Johnny Rivers sang it. 744 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: I only know this because I worked at like an 745 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: oldie station in the nineties, and I'm twenty five years old, 746 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: so I don't know how that happened. Anyway. By the way, Johnny, 747 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,959 Speaker 1: our interns are not getting any older. They get younger 748 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: every year. I sound like Matthew McConaughey right now. I 749 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: don't mean it in that way, but I gotta tell you. 750 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,800 Speaker 1: So I'm talking to them about it. I made a reference. 751 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 1: I said, Oh, I said to Caroline, one of our 752 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: new interns. She was staying up, staying in late editing something. 753 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: I said, thanks for being on that wall for us. 754 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: He said, what what what wall? What do you mean 755 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: what wall? Like you know, like a few good men 756 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: being on that. She's like, no, no, I've never seen it. 757 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh my gosh, I watched Charles. The 758 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,720 Speaker 1: other intern said yeah, my parents love that movie. All right, great, 759 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 1: thank you. I'm leaving oh man, I'll give you one 760 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: of my old most This is a while back now, 761 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 1: but Fly Like an Eagle I was. This is when 762 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: I was working at the Bowl School and I was 763 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: driving some of the dorm students around and Fly Like 764 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: an Eagle came on and I went, oh, this is 765 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,359 Speaker 1: such a great song. And I had two two kids 766 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 1: from Korea in the van with me, and they go, oh, yeah, 767 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: Space Jam. I went what I was like, No, it's 768 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: a Steve Miller. No, no, no Space Jam Seal and 769 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: Seal had redumbed this song. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, 770 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: Fly Like an Eagles Steve Miller. And they fought me. Honest, 771 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: we fought the entire way back to the school about 772 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: whose song that actually was. I had to I had 773 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,720 Speaker 1: to find it. Of course, this is the middle late nineties, 774 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: so it wasn't like go to YouTube and find it. 775 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: They didn't believe me that it wasn't Seal song and 776 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: that it was originally in space Jams. I mean, the 777 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,320 Speaker 1: Space Jam two kids today might as well be what 778 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: Gone with the Wind was to us? Are you kidding? 779 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: It's all right? Quickly? Here twelve team playoff. Johnny first 780 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 1: four get buys conference champs aren't automatically in. It's the 781 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,240 Speaker 1: sixth what is it, the six highest rated conference champs 782 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: and then six at large? Right, yes, So the top 783 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: four get buys, the other eight play at the higher 784 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,839 Speaker 1: seed on campus. Then you go to the Bulls. That's 785 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: seven bull sites if my math is right correct. Yes, 786 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 1: does Houston have a shot here? Yes? Nice, I absolutely 787 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 1: think they've got to. I mean, it's the first thing 788 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 1: Fletch says, and it's true. This ball is as well 789 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: attended as any bowl imaginable. And ironically, the first year, 790 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: if I if I'm reading this correctly, the first year 791 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: that this would go into effect is twelve teamer would 792 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 1: go into effect. Guests with a championship game is played 793 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 1: h Town, yes, right state. Think about twenty three season, 794 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: think about you go Orange Fiesta, Sugar Rose, Um, you 795 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 1: go Atlanta, right yep, because because you have to with 796 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: the Peach sit Cotton and then Cotton in Dallas. So 797 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: you go to Jerry World and you play one here, 798 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 1: and that's it. That's it. Folks, you people up north, 799 00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: keep to yourselves. We got this. This is it. This 800 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 1: is the college football Playoff. That's how it's gonna roll. 801 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: And it's gonna be in Houston. One of the Well 802 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: I told you this, Mark, I think I think you 803 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: and I have been talking about this, and I said 804 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,439 Speaker 1: I wanted six or twelve. And the reason I wanted 805 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: six or twelves because I wanted teams to have a BUYE. 806 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: I wanted in a six team or I wanted two 807 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: teams to have a BUYE and a twelve team where 808 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: you got four teams with a BUYE. I wanted teams 809 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: to be rewarded for being outstanding. And you this, you know, 810 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: the twelve, the twelve, you know, and kind of like, 811 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,280 Speaker 1: oh boy, but it's a mixture of on campus sites. 812 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: I think those on campus quarters are gonna be um 813 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,879 Speaker 1: outstand or the first round is gonna be outstanding. It's 814 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 1: gonna be kid that. And look, I think there will 815 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 1: be so much interest. Their point is that mid season 816 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 1: you still have thirty teams that could make it or whatever. 817 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: The number would be absolutely and there's a lot of interest. 818 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: I just hope, Look, we could say, will it ruin 819 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 1: the other bulls? I don't know. I think look, it 820 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: is what it is already, right, So if you have 821 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: a good bull, if you have an enterty entertaining game. 822 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,719 Speaker 1: People are gonna watch it. It's proven people will watch it. 823 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,360 Speaker 1: We could complain about, oh, lack of crowd or whatever, whatever, 824 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,359 Speaker 1: It didn't matter last year because COVID affected everything. So hey, 825 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,959 Speaker 1: it all looks normal to me in this context. I'm 826 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: all for it. Go to twelve. I would even say sixteen, 827 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,320 Speaker 1: but I don't want to get I love teams getting 828 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: the buy. I love teams getting the buy, and I 829 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: love the fact that Notre Dame can't get one of 830 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,360 Speaker 1: those first round buys because there they can't win their conference. 831 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,799 Speaker 1: I love it, Sean, I love it they cannot get 832 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 1: one of the top four buys. Oh, Johnny, they'll adjust that. 833 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,719 Speaker 1: They'll adjust if the Irish or ranked number one of 834 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 1: the country, they got to get a buy period. I 835 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,800 Speaker 1: mean you would think, but not by these Hyboddy bends 836 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,840 Speaker 1: over for Notre Dame. Well they our conference for fifteen minutes. 837 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 1: Well here's what they're gonna do if that happens. Yeah, 838 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 1: there might be some some egg on the face of 839 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 1: the college football playoff comtee at that point, But in 840 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 1: my force Notre Dame to go. Hey, acc can we 841 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: do this like permanent thing? You know, like no more like, uh, 842 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: you know one night stand things. Let's let's let's you know, 843 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 1: let's put a ring on it, Let's do the Beyonce thing, 844 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 1: you know, let's get married, Let's go and then not 845 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,800 Speaker 1: now notre name as an opportunity. This might be what 846 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: forces them to do it. If they're gonna do it, 847 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: I don't think they will, but you could force them too, 848 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: because the language is written. It's got to be. The 849 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,800 Speaker 1: four buys have to be the top four champions, champions, 850 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: and the top six. You're not guaranteed a Power five team. 851 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: Getting one of those, right, getting one of those today, 852 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,359 Speaker 1: I think that's awesome. I saw a great gift today 853 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,800 Speaker 1: PAC twelve watching this format shakeout and it's a guy's sweating. 854 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 1: I loved it. All Right, Johnny, that's it for the show. Tomorrow, 855 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 1: we'll visit and we'll talk Lulio Jones, the AFC South, 856 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: the rest of it Texans into the offseason, the desert 857 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: as we call it, before training camp arrives. Jonathan Bernard 858 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: will be on the show as well. We'll do it all. 859 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,879 Speaker 1: Thank you Eddie Penn for producing, Thank you Johnny, thank 860 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,880 Speaker 1: you John McClain. Have a great day, everyone, go to 861 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 1: the Texans after all the info on your Texans go 862 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: tech sins. This is Texans Radio on Sports Radio six ten, 863 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: twenty five years. Huh. 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