1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: noon Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: Fox Sportsradio dot com, or stream us live every day 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: Where Colin was right, Oh, Lebron opted in. I had 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: said this was it two three months ago. When Lebron 11 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: hinted it retirement, I said, oh my god, are we 12 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: going to do this again. It's four years in a row. 13 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: It's like the Brett Farb Tour. Lebron's not retiring. He's 14 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: too good. He plays joyfully. Los Angeles is good for him. 15 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: He's got Luka dontch. Yes he'll opt in. Yes he's 16 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: gonna play. It's nonsense and we were right. 17 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 3: Where Colin was wrong. 18 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: Well, a week ago, goalie Matt Freeze, I said, look 19 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: too anxious over his head, nervous. Probably not our answer 20 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: for the United States men's national team in goal. And 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: then yesterday, during PK's three saves, got his hand on 22 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: two others. He rose to the moment. In my opinion, 23 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: he's secured the goalie job for Team USA. Where Colin 24 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 1: was right. Kaylin Clark isn't just the best young player 25 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: in the WNBA. She's Tiger Woods. Yesterday sold out her 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: shoe in ten minutes, according to reports, ten minutes. She's 27 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: getting the most votes in the All Star Game. She's 28 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: driving half of the league's television ratings. I said a 29 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: year ago, she is Taylor Swift with a jumper. She 30 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: is not just helping the league. She literally got a 31 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: teammate's jersey sold out in fifteen minutes. Sophia Cunningham just 32 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: by proxy, a player that had been in the league 33 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: seven years, just a teammate. She's getting stuff sold out. 34 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: She is bigger than either even the WNBA, which has 35 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: finally come around acknowledges where Colin was right. Former Pittsburgh 36 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: Steeler James Harrison last week admitted what we've been on 37 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: for years. Mike Tomlin's strength he's a players coach. Mike 38 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: Tomlin's weakness, he's a player's coach. Yes, many players can 39 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: handle that, but increasingly guys like Jalen Ramsey, who's only 40 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: but as good as the structure. He's been supported by 41 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: the Rams. It doesn't work. So this is what I've 42 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: said about the Steelers for years. I'm not saying Mike 43 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: Tomlin can't coach, but he's loose and details win in December, 44 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: January and February, and James Harrison admitting the organization is 45 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: to player friends. 46 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 3: Where Colin was wrong, James Harden. 47 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: Signed another deal two years, forty plus million a year. Listen, 48 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: I last year he shot forty one percent from the field. 49 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: He doesn't defend, he never shows up in the playoffs. 50 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: I am not denying his greatness. I am not denying 51 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: his Hall of Fame stature. I'm not denying offensive leads. 52 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: One of the great guards of all time. But if 53 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: Steve Balmer cares about winning and culture and how do 54 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: you win in the playoffs? Who is the best defensive 55 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: team in the league? Okasee, who won? OKC, That's not 56 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: the way to do it. Where Colin was right. Sean 57 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: Payton ranked number two coaching in the NFL by PFF. 58 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: Andy Reid number one. I just saw this weekend. He 59 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: took a bad offensive line. The old line is now 60 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: ranked number two. He took over a shaky defense. They 61 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: led the NFL in sacks. They upgraded at safety and 62 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: linebacker on players that were just niners a year year ago. 63 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: He inherited a horrible culture, a mess at quarterback, moved 64 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: off Russell Wilson, dead cap money, and in a division 65 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: with Andy Reid and Jim Harbaugh, took a rookie quarterback 66 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,839 Speaker 1: to the playoffs. This is what I've been saying about 67 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: Sean Payton. He is direct, he is kurt, He can 68 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: turn people off. He is brilliant. 69 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 3: Where Colin was right. 70 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: I said last week there's seven athletes in America that 71 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: are untradeable. Aaron Judge is absolutely won yesterday to homers 72 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: four RBIs leeds baseball at three point fifty six second 73 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: in home runs. He's not just a great Yankee. He 74 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: went on a brief hitting slump the Yankees got shut out. 75 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: He is literally the centerpiece, as good as O Tawny 76 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: is if he takes a day off. I got Mokie Betts, 77 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: I got Maximunse, I got Freddie Freeman. He is the 78 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: centerpiece of East Coast baseball. 79 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 3: Where Colin was robbed. 80 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: Austin Reeves declined ninety million from the Lakers why his 81 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: representation believes open market or the Lakers. In a year, 82 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: he's going to get closer to one hundred and fifty million. 83 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: I'd trade him tomorrow for Derek White. I think he's 84 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: a really good b player. They're Knights. He has an 85 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: a offensive night, but he's not dynamic vertically. He's a 86 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: good shooter, not elite. But I'm wrong because apparently often 87 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: in his reps CNA player where Colin was right. What 88 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: do you know? The Tampa Bay Buccaneers extended Jason Light 89 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: the GM. Do you realize the team with the longest 90 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: active playoffs streak in the NFC is the Bocks, not 91 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: the Eagles or the Ravens or the Rams. Excuse me, 92 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: Ravens refc Jason Light one of the best scouts ever 93 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: been on this for years. Tampa Bay, for years had 94 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: excellent rosters. They couldn't get the quarterback right. Jason got 95 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: Baker when a lot of people were doubting him. He 96 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: was one of the only two GMS that aggressively pursued 97 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: Tom Brady. 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Tyler Adams, US 119 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: Men's national team, Urban Meyer, Albert rereerstop by today. 120 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: J Mack. 121 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: It was a if you're a Laker fan, it was 122 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: a disheartening day. But they've got new owners and new 123 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: owners have come. You know, you ever drive by that restaurant, 124 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: it says under new management, and they're going to change 125 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: the entire menu. They're not going to tweak. So I 126 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: think I want to read everybody J Mack. The headlines 127 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: that are circulating about the Lakers, who are the biggest 128 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: brand in the NBA, the Yankees of Major League Baseball. 129 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:43,679 Speaker 1: These are the headlines this morning. Lakers reportedly preserving cap 130 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: space for next season. Dorian Finney Smith exit disaster. Lakers 131 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: gave up three draft picks for less than fifty games 132 00:07:55,640 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: of Dorian Phinney Smith. Jim rob Polinka facing ounting pressure 133 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: to keep the Lakers job, and I like this one. 134 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: Lebron James has no influence on free agency moves, says 135 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: an NBA front office insider. The Lakers are excluding him. 136 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: They should. He's forty one. So the Bus family for 137 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: years has talked themselves into believing, I get it, this 138 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: is their life. They talk themselves into believing we were 139 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: just a rotational player away. And the new owners of 140 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: this restaurant are saying, no, no, no, no no, it's 141 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: just not a little better chicken palm recipe. We're changing 142 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: the kitchen staff, We're changing the entire menu. This is 143 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: not about a better chicken palm. It's a forty one 144 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: year old star, another star in Luca where it's notable 145 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: that he's really working out this offseason. And they have 146 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: absolutely no size and the real value they have is 147 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: Austin Reeves. But another headline today they are not even 148 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: taking calls or gauging interest on Austin Reeves. So the 149 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: new owners, they know what success is all about. They 150 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: own the Dodgers. And I've argued this before. I think 151 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: the Dodgers, Mark Walters, I think it's the best run 152 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: sports franchise in North America perhaps ever. These people know 153 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: what they're doing. They let stars go if they see 154 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: problems around the corner. And so this morning it appears 155 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: they're going big game hunting next year. They do not 156 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: think this is a championship team. They're not going to 157 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: lose any sleep over Lebron being bummed out. They're going 158 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: to upgrade scouting and my guests, they are eventually going 159 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: to find their wizard, their guru, their GM. So the 160 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: Lakers need two centers like yesterday, the good ones are 161 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: off the market. Clint Capella, he's back to the Rockets. 162 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: Luke Cornett Celtics. Now he's the Spurs and Brook Lopez 163 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: to the Clippers. So let's not forget this. Put the 164 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: palm palms down. The Lakers got throttled in the first round. 165 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: They lost convincingly in the first round, and they are 166 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: worse today without Dorian Finney Smith, they are worse today. 167 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: You know who's not worse, Houston? Houston is better. You 168 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: know who's not worse Denver. You know who's getting better fast, 169 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: San Antonio. So the ownership group knows what success looks like. Okay, 170 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: these new owners are antique experts, and they're telling Laker 171 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: fans this roster is a knockoff. I know what Grandma 172 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: told you. It's not a van Go. This isn't there. 173 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 1: The new Laker owners are telling you we know what 174 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: titles looks like, and an aging Lebron and a finally 175 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: working out in the offseason. Luca is not O Tawny 176 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: Betts and Freddie Freeman. I know it's painful, and I 177 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: understand the bus family for years. This is their baby, 178 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: this is their child, and they always believe, just like 179 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: we all do as parents, our kid's gonna be president 180 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: of the United States. Okay, maybe president of a company, okay, 181 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: hopefully president of a frat, okay, maybe a vice president 182 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: of something. You gotta be honest. You have to be 183 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: able to self evaluate. This is not a championship team. 184 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: Look what Denver's done in the last twenty four hours. 185 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: They finally got Yoki shooters, multiple and a backup. Big 186 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: San Antonio is getting better by the hour with all 187 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: their youth. Houston added more pieces. Oklahoma City, I've not 188 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: even mentioned them. And the brain trust in Golden State 189 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: they already got their sidekick, the staff, Jimmy Butler last year. 190 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: So it's you gotta be honest about this stuff. People 191 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. You know what well run looks like. 192 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,359 Speaker 1: You know what championships looks like. It's called the Dodgers, 193 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: USC the Lakers, the Chargers a little bit until Harbaugh, Yeah, 194 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: there's they're selling you on that, and that's not what 195 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: it is. So the Rams brilliantly run, the Dodgers immaculately 196 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: run the Lakers mom and pop shop. It's all changing, 197 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:16,239 Speaker 1: big game hunting next year. Not including Lebron in the discussions, 198 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: He's had a great career. He should not be dictating 199 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: any terms at this point, not saying you trade him, 200 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna do the new guys say, we're gonna do 201 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: what we're gonna do because we know what winning looks like. 202 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: It's Otanian Bett, not forty one year old lebron and 203 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: perpetually out of shape or an average shape Luca. Okay, 204 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: here's another one. This is interesting this headline the Steelers 205 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: are officially all in. I heard that a lot yesterday 206 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: because they got Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Rodgers, DK Metcalf and 207 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: tight end John Husmith. Well, if they're all in, that's 208 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: a pair of eights. Okay, that ain't pocket ass, folks. 209 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: So if that's all in, but it's I always. I 210 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: was asking somebody about three weeks ago, three or four 211 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: weeks ago about all the Steelers' moves, and he said, 212 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: some gms just make moves to make moves, but do 213 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: they have a plan. And that's a prime example. So 214 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: they get rid of a safety who's a little past 215 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: his prime, and they add a corner who's more expensive, 216 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, who's past his prime. They get rid of 217 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: a very high maintenance wide receiver in George Pickens, and 218 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: then they inherit a wide receiver who can be high 219 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: maintenance DK Metcalf. You're just making moves to make moves. 220 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: There is no plan. If you would have moved off 221 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: George Pickens and acquired Terry mcclaurin the adult in the room, cod, 222 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: that's a move I get. So you're letting go of 223 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: a guy passed his prime in the secondary and getting 224 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: a more expensive guy passed his prime in the secondary. 225 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: That's just a move to make a move. Well, we're 226 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: getting rid of a high maintenance receiver and getting another 227 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: receiver who's a bit high maintenance. You're just making moves 228 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: to make moves. You lost your left tackle nagieras George Pickens, 229 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: Mika Fitzpatrick, and I saw who you've added, I would 230 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: argue you're slightly less talented today. So this goes There's 231 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: no pattern with it. And this is what I've said 232 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: about the Steelers is that they're on the wrong side 233 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: of the ball. All their money now is tied up 234 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: in defense. They got more expensive moving off Minca for 235 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. Wrong, Just move off Minca. Stop there. And 236 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: these are not moves that make any sense. They're basically 237 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: the Steelers of the kid who pays off his student 238 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: debt and puts it on a credit card. Yeah, I 239 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: got rid of that debt. Now it's still debt, bro, 240 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: you still got debt at a higher interest rate. That 241 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: may make you feel better. And remember this is an 242 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: organization that has not signed TJ. Watt yet. So when TJ. 243 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: Watt signs, at least for probably a period maybe six months, 244 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: maybe less than that, he'll be the highest paid defensive 245 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: player in NFL history. So we're not even talking about 246 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: that yet. And you got to get that done, TJ. Watt. 247 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: I mean, those jerseys are all over the stadium. That's 248 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: going to be a terribly sensitive thing. All these moves. 249 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: What do they mean. Well, Matt Hasselback yesterday said, here's 250 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: what he thinks. The Jalen Ramsey move means. 251 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 5: They do not care about the rest of the league. 252 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 5: They don't care about what anybody else does. They say, Hey, 253 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 5: we're the Steelers. This is how we operate. So I 254 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 5: don't think that's going to change. But I do think 255 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 5: this it looks like they're building a team to stop 256 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 5: the Cincinnati Bengals. It's almost like they have confidence in 257 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 5: what they have, like what we have can take care 258 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 5: of the Baltimore Ravens like we're good, but like man, 259 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 5: I don't know how we're going to stop the Cincinnati Bengals. 260 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 5: Like I do believe that there's a fear there of 261 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 5: like personnel wise, we don't match up. 262 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: Well well, a lot of teams matched up okay with 263 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: Cincinnati because the Bengals didn't even make the playoffs. So 264 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: if that's your concern, I go back to being concerned 265 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: about Baltimore. The Ravens have separated over the last several 266 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: years from the Steelers since he didn't even make the playoffs. Okay, 267 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: j Mac, let me bring in here. The Austin Reeves 268 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: thing is interesting because obviously that's the piece. That is, 269 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: he's one of the few underpaid players in the NBA, 270 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: scoring about nineteen twenty a game. The Lakers are saying 271 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: now they're not going to gauge interest, but I do 272 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: think it's interesting. The two things that jump out to 273 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: me Lebron's not being included at all. I do think 274 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: the Bus family felt like because of the COVID title 275 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: and the merchandise sales, they sort of owed Lebron something 276 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: a heads up that's done. And the other thing is 277 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna go big game Honting. Next year, they've been 278 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: very I mean, that's a pretty clear signal that Lebron, 279 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: we know you want championships, but getting rid of Dori 280 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: and Finney Smith, not getting rid of him, him leaving 281 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: and then inheriting some small guard who's on, you know, 282 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: a young kid, but on like his third team. What's 283 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: the message to Lebron. It's bro that we're we're not 284 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: a championship team. That's what the ownership is saying to me. 285 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: We are going to figure out scouting upstairs, executives roster. 286 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: Next year is the big year. 287 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, and next year it sounds like the Bucks are 288 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 6: going to keep Yiannis and make it try to make 289 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 6: it go this year, well next summer, maybe Janness is like, hey, 290 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 6: I'm done, it's over, and then Luca and Janni's joined. 291 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: Forces in La. 292 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 6: But let me ask you, if you're Lebron and you're 293 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 6: reading the tea leaves Colin, are you like, you know what, guys, 294 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 6: just get me to the East. 295 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: Just trade me Lakers. 296 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 6: We're not winning anything. I can't We're not a top 297 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 6: five team in the West. 298 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: Send me to the East. 299 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 6: I could get to the finals. Does he do you 300 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 6: think Lebron would actually do that. 301 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: No, I think Lebron's business and it's a fair question. 302 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: I think Lebron has to look at it like this. 303 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: He knew his first couple of years in the league. 304 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: He's a smart guy. He knew the first couple of 305 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: years in Cleveland out of high school, they were not 306 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: a championship team. In fact, getting to the finals against 307 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: the Spurs, despite the fact they were swept, they were 308 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: ahead of schedule. Oh wait, from about that year on 309 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: until this past year, Lebron has felt like the team 310 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: he has is a championship level team. But at some 311 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: point you have to acknowledge Michael Jordan did when he 312 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: went to the Wizards. You know, Shaq was bouncing around 313 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: the league. He knew the last three or four years 314 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: he was not a championship team. I think Lebron is 315 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: smart enough to know. This is the first year in 316 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: maybe fifteen years, Lebron, you have to go back to 317 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: that getting swept by the Spurs, and I'm sure going 318 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: into that finals, Lebron thought he had a chance. This 319 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: is the first time in a long time that Lebron 320 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: sort of being told without being directly told, dude, it's 321 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: not about a championship. The organization is first, second, and third. 322 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: You've had a great run, but we're not going to 323 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: include you as we build going forward. 324 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 6: I get that, McCullen. Let me just remind you, Lebron 325 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 6: was an All NBA player last year. Ever, he's like 326 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 6: twenty five, seven and seven, and he's paired with Luka Doncic, 327 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 6: So you have two of. 328 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: The ten best players in the league. 329 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 6: I don't think you're out of it, but I definitely 330 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 6: think there's an uphill climb in the West. Like, listen, 331 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 6: wacky things happened in the East. Jason him in Aliburton. 332 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 6: They look like they were gonna be in the conference 333 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 6: finals again next year. They're both out next season the 334 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 6: East and wide open. Like things can happen. Let's not 335 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 6: write the Lakers off just yet. 336 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: Well, remember things do happen, especially to forty one year 337 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: olds in their twenty third year. Also that you think 338 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: Lebron's gonna play eighty games and forty two minutes, Lebron 339 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: has to pace himself. You know who doesn't, Lou dort 340 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: Sga Chet Holmgren, Jay Dubb. I mean those guys Oklahoma 341 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: City can play nine guys A night. The Lakers now 342 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: have no center, very little depth, and you know how 343 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: it works, Jason. That means, hey, Lebron, we need forty 344 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: one minutes tonight and we need twenty nine points. So 345 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: it'd be one thing if this was the OKC San 346 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: Antonio Houston roster. Like Kevin Durant's a great example. So 347 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: they Houston extends Jabari Smith, who, like Kevin Durant, can shoot. 348 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: He's got length. Kevin Durant, you could literally tell him 349 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: before the season starts, we're gonna play sixty four games. 350 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: We got j Smith behind you. We want you ready 351 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: for the playoffs. Because of the depth, the youth, the legs, 352 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 1: and the athleticism Houston has. Lakers can't do that. They 353 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: just lost Orian Phinney Smith, that's one of their better defenders. 354 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: So what's gonna happen is Lebron's gonna have to play 355 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: thirty eight minutes and score twenty seven points for this 356 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: to be in the wet Maybe not in the East, 357 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: but in the West. So the great advantage Kad saw 358 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: that with Houston. I don't, I don't shen Goon can 359 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: drop twenty eight on any night. Amn Thompson's coming up 360 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: Jabari plays my position right behind me. So Lebron is 361 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: going to be once again, and we don't you know, 362 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: you cross your fingers on Luca's health. He's in good 363 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: shape reportedly, but lucas a guy that misses games, that 364 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: gets banged up. There are gonna be nights so that 365 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: it's Lebron and Austin Reeves having to both drop twenty 366 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: eight for them to beat at best compete with Oka. 367 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: See listen, it's not over. 368 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 6: I'm not writing them off and anything can happen here 369 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 6: in the. 370 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 2: Next three four days. 371 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: Let's go out and get some. 372 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 6: Guys and get the Lakers back in contention where Lebron 373 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 6: needs to be. 374 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays 375 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 2: and Neon Easter not a em Pacific Urban. 376 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: Meyer is now joining US Urban. For years and years, 377 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: you knew, and I knew, and the world knew, the 378 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: SEC was better. And I don't know. I don't know 379 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: who's better in the middle or the tail end. But 380 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: I think if you took the top four teams today 381 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: in the Big ten, which would be Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon, 382 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: and then we can argue over for I think they 383 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: are today as good mine Lean is slightly better than 384 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: the SEC. Where are you at? Having coached in both conferences. 385 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 7: Today, the transition of the Big Ten has been phenomenal. 386 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 7: On the triple option, we had James Franklin. We talked 387 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 7: about that because he came into the league a couple 388 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 7: of years after I did. In twenty twelve, calling it 389 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 7: wasn't even close. It was shocking. There were great players 390 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 7: in the Big Ten, but the stadium atmospheres were just okay. 391 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 7: The depth of talent was not there, and the certainly 392 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 7: the bottom half the Big Ten just wasn't very good. 393 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 7: That's changed, that's changed dramatically. The stadium atmospheres are incredible. 394 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 7: The addition of the four teams for the PAC twelve, 395 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 7: I mean, those are four legit teams. And how about 396 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 7: this stat This is interesting. In eight nine, there were 397 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 7: twenty eight players drafted average in the Big Ten. This 398 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 7: past year there was seventy one. 399 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: That's over double. 400 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 7: So how do you measure conferences? Championships? Big Ten the 401 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 7: last two years? And those are two great teams, the 402 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 7: Wolverings and the Buckeys, great teams. But then the second 403 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 7: way to measure at the NFL and the secs. I 404 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 7: think it's nineteen straight years they've had more draft picks 405 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 7: than everyone else. They still do, but the big pen's 406 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 7: much closer. 407 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think, you know, we sometimes because Michigan 408 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: and Ohio State and Penn State are such big brands, 409 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 1: we kind of forget about Washington and Oregon. And I've 410 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: said this before about Washington. Every time in my life 411 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: they've had a great coach, Don James, I mean new 412 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: Heisel got him to a Rose Bowl, Chris Peterson, Caylin 413 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: de boor every time they have an elite coach, they 414 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: end up in a playoff. And I don't think people 415 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: in the at least in the South. I think they 416 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: do in the Midwest. They don't understand how good Oregon 417 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,719 Speaker 1: is as a football program, whereas the SEC auded Texas 418 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: and Oklahoma. I think people view those as big brands. 419 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: Tell me how you view Oregon in Washington. Forget to 420 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: sc for a second. I don't think those schools get 421 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: the national respect. But I would argue Oregon in Washington 422 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 1: right now, are Oregon's better than Oklahoma? Washington's on the 423 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: same plateau? Where are you on that? 424 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 7: I think nashally, Oregon's a different. It's a different duck, 425 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 7: but it's everybody looks at Oregon now, I mean the uniform, 426 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 7: the stadium, the success they've had. I think I actually 427 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 7: considered them a blue blood right now, even though they've 428 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 7: not won a national championship. The Washington now, I spend 429 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 7: time at Colorado State, I spent time at Utah's recruited 430 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 7: out West Washington is a diamond And like you said, 431 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 7: they've always had when they have Don James, they have 432 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 7: Brick new Heisl, they have some of those coaches Chris Peterson. 433 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 7: You're in the national championship hunt. They were just recently 434 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 7: in the championship hunt with Kaitlin de Bors. So you 435 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 7: added two great brands to the SEC. But I'll tell 436 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 7: you what, you got three legits and you just went 437 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 7: how about this? In the SEC, I count nine teams 438 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 7: that are expected to compete and win a national championship 439 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 7: for years. Are just three in the Big Ten outs five, 440 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 7: So they've added There's been some really strength added to 441 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 7: the Big Ten. 442 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: I think a lot of we all know the elite 443 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: NFL coaches in college, it feels like a young and 444 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: I think one of the advantages that Big Ten has 445 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: now Franklin's a great recruiter. Ryan Day's a great recruiter. 446 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: Michigan has always been a solid. I think Dan Lanning's 447 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 1: a great recruiter. Also, a big nil. USC now has 448 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: the number one twenty twenty six class. Jed Fish has 449 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: always been even at Arizona, you got all sorts of 450 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: NFL guys. Is that the reality is the Big Ten 451 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: now has excellent recruiting coaches. That feels like a big 452 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: part of that. I mean, when you were in the SEC, 453 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: who was beating you in the Big Ten for players? 454 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: I think there's guys now in the Big Ten that 455 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: go down south and pull players up. 456 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 7: I'm glad you brought that up, because this is this 457 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 7: is real life. I leave the SEC and I come 458 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 7: to Ohio State and there was something called a gentleman's agreement, 459 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 7: and the gentleman's coach, Bilama, got really pissed off at 460 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 7: me when we turned a couple players. And you know, 461 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 7: I didn't know gentlemen agreement. I'm sure what that means. 462 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 7: In the recruiting. You got to go get players. We 463 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 7: have two kids from Aio committed to Wisconsin. Then we 464 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 7: got them, we flipped them, and people were saying, well, 465 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 7: you know, in this conference, you don't do that, and 466 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 7: I was like, I don't. I not saw that anywhere 467 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 7: in my contract. That's not against the rules. I got 468 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 7: a job at Ohio State to go win games, so 469 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 7: I'm going to recruit whoever the heck we want to recruit. 470 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 7: So the recruiting has changed dramatically. Like you said, you 471 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 7: think about the Big Ten coaches that are elite recruiters. 472 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 7: I'm not saying they weren't back in twenty twelve, but 473 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 7: there wasn't the emphasis on it is now. And as 474 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 7: a result, look at the difference. I just told you 475 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 7: seventy one players drafted in the Big Ten Conference last 476 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 7: year compared to twenty eight just ten years ago, fifteen 477 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 7: years ago. 478 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, the recruiting has changed in college football. You know, 479 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: I don't fight new stuff. If new stuff comes in, 480 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: there's new rules, there's new cultures. I'm just gonna you know, 481 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to figure out, like Rick Patino said 482 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: on my show recently, when the world changes, you can 483 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: you can fight it, or you can figure out a 484 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: way to solve the new world. If you were recruiting now, 485 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: let's say you're a Buckeye and you're recruiting or a Gator, 486 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: whatever it is. How would do you attack the nil? 487 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:14,959 Speaker 1: How would you attack it? 488 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 7: I would You've got to get players, and I would 489 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 7: attack it the way the big schools are attacking it. 490 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 7: I would have find out. I would have distribution. I 491 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,719 Speaker 7: would have a GM. I think Mark Pantoni, the guy 492 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 7: we hired here years ago, we still at Ohio State. 493 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 7: I still talk to him once in a while about 494 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 7: how they do this. But you know, you have to 495 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 7: put emphasis if they're if everybody's abiding by the same rules, 496 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 7: which now they are. A year ago, it wasn't the case. 497 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 7: You could go out and you spend and through the 498 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 7: collectives as much as you can. But I would put 499 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,479 Speaker 7: premium on positions a lot like they do the NFL. 500 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 7: You got to pay what you got to pay for 501 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 7: a quarterback, for defense, ends, corners and receivers. You have 502 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 7: to do it, and I'd pay that center. 503 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 3: So I would. 504 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 7: I would distribute and build the best team you could 505 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 7: possibly can. And that's kind of what the top teams 506 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 7: are doing right now. 507 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. 508 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: The you know, it's funny how you perceive a coach 509 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: and how the public does. I've always loved Sark, But 510 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: I've said this about Sark. Great recruiter, great with quarterbacks, 511 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: hustler sometimes on the details. I kind of feel like 512 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: he lets the game flow and occasionally I'll watch him 513 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: and think it gets a little away from him. But 514 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: again I'm nitpicking. How do you view Sark when you 515 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: do a Texas game or you watch Texas? What do 516 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: you see? Does he have a trend? Does he have 517 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: a tell like? How do you view Sark? 518 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 7: Why? I have friends that are around Sark that know 519 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 7: him well. I know him fairly well. He's always been 520 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 7: great to me. I think he's the elite offense. I mean, 521 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 7: that's I'm on to state the obvious. First, he's an 522 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 7: elite offensive coach. He was in the NFL, he was 523 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 7: in college as an assistant. As a head coach, they're 524 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 7: always going to be spectacular in offense. But a lot 525 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 7: like Lincoln Riley, is that you have to grow as 526 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 7: a head coach. You don't get championships for offense. That's 527 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 7: not how this game works. You get championships for great defense, 528 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 7: not turning the ball over, and efficient offense. And I 529 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 7: think he's grown into the position. He's still relatively young, 530 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 7: even though he's had some great jobs. So I view 531 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 7: him as one of the top coaches in the country 532 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 7: and that's why I got Texas's Well, I haven't picked 533 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 7: him for sure yet, but I'm still studying it. But 534 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 7: I think most people have that preseason number one with 535 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 7: a returning quarterback. 536 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: You know a program you know well as LSU and 537 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: I like Brian Kelly, but it is a again, you 538 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: are recruiting your own players. You're everything's moving, and I 539 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley. I look at him and 540 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: I think it doesn't quite look like I think it 541 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: should look yet, and Saban got out of it. I 542 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: saw in college basketball coach k and Jay Wright are 543 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: like a young man's game. I'm getting out of this. 544 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: Let's say l is Okay this year. Now, I like 545 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: their quarterback. I think they're going to be better than Okay. 546 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: But is there an argument with all the movement, there's 547 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: no off season that for the guys that are post sixty, 548 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: it's harder now than it's ever been. 549 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 7: Well, you got to connect with players, and you look 550 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,239 Speaker 7: at the best connecting guys and it's it's real. As 551 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 7: the younger the younger generation and That's always been kind 552 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,719 Speaker 7: of the facts of coaching players. You know, you have 553 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 7: young guys on your staff. A big part of that 554 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 7: is what to lorid the locker room, to let you 555 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,719 Speaker 7: know the locker room. So Brian Kelly, I admire him, 556 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 7: We're friends. We coached against each other. I visit his programs, 557 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 7: he's visited mine. To think that he's still coaching, you know, 558 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 7: I didn't see that happening. And then he saw an 559 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 7: opportunity at LSU. And I'll tell you this about Brian 560 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 7: Kelly's driven and he wants that national championship and you 561 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 7: don't move from South Bend. He did it for one reason, 562 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 7: and that's to go get that crystal ball. So I 563 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 7: know it's wrong and he's he's one of those guys 564 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 7: when he when he pushes really hard, great things happened. 565 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 7: So yeah, I didn't. I didn't see that one happened. 566 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 7: I didn't see him coaching this long. But when he 567 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 7: saw that opportunity showed up at LSU. We actually talked 568 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 7: about it a couple of years ago. He just thinks 569 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 7: that spectacular and the chance he could win it all. 570 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: Finally, you guys at Ohio State, you picked up produced 571 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: tight end again, another exceptional class. It's Caleb Downs, It's 572 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith. Everybody loves the quarterback. If I said, give 573 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: me your top three teams in the country just in personnel, 574 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to look at this schedule. 575 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,479 Speaker 1: If I just said, like last year, by the end 576 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: of the year, Ohio State had more good players than everybody, 577 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: they looked like those Alabama teams where they were like 578 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: Tyson in their prime. People were getting intimidated. Name the 579 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: three best rosters right now personnel in America. 580 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, you said, you guys at Ohio State, I'm at Fox. 581 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: I'm not. 582 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 7: I know, I know. 583 00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: I was. 584 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 7: Texas, Texas, Ohio State and Penn State is following the 585 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 7: lead of the Wolverines and the Buckeyes, and that is 586 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 7: they have more seniors. Think about this, Colin, that I'd 587 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 7: never had a chance to coach fourth year players if 588 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 7: I did, is very rare. And the difference between a 589 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 7: fourth year player and a rookie or a freshman is 590 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 7: night and day. You're coaching grown ass men. You're coaching 591 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 7: that's a men's locker room compared to young person. So 592 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 7: I watch out for Penn State. Man. If Drew Aller 593 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 7: can really improves a quarterback. I agree with you, to 594 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 7: get the best backfield, I don't think it's close in 595 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 7: the country. They got an offensive line that they can't 596 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 7: wait to get on the field. So yeah, I think 597 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 7: Penn State, Texas, and Ohio State are three most talented. 598 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Urban Meyer, there's a golf course waiting. There's a 599 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: four iron waiting for you to grab it. So I 600 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: have first chased by. 601 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 3: I'll see it. 602 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 7: Gina and Georgetti's in Chicago. 603 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: And day tell me when you're in town. I'm ready 604 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: for it. Yeah. So Michigan, Michigan two years ago, Ohio 605 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: State last year. Penn States might call to beat Texas 606 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: in the National Championship. You know, keep your eye on Oregon. Yeah, 607 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: keep your eye on Oregon, but I think they're really good. 608 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: Ohio State will obviously be good.