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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast from the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: Guy Am Chad Moman Uh listen, it is Tuesday morning.

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Speaker 1: Last night I watched the Sixers and the Nets play

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Speaker 1: and I watched the Sixers score fifty one points in

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Speaker 1: the third quarter to tie an NBA playoff record, and

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Speaker 1: I thought, well, that's going to be the action for

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Speaker 1: the night, and then the Clippers and the Warriors play it.

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Speaker 1: And I can't think of anyone better to come on

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Speaker 1: and discuss all of the NBA action then worldwide Web.

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Speaker 1: Rob Perez of the Action Network, who did an epic

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Speaker 1: twenty four minute periscope last night late night to catch

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Speaker 1: us all up on it. He's gonna rehash everything from

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Speaker 1: the evening this morning. Bob, How you doing, buddy? This

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Speaker 1: is why you can't work to cover the NBA and

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Speaker 1: be on the East code in life was so much

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Speaker 1: easier in lons Ange plus complete games that don't end

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Speaker 1: until two a m. And it's five to m before

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Speaker 1: you're actually getting done doing content or watching inside the

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Speaker 1: NBA or whatever the hell it is you're doing. But

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Speaker 1: I guess that's what we signed up for. So good

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Speaker 1: morning to YouTube, Chad. Listen. I appreciate waking me up.

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Speaker 1: I will say. I will say that. You know, I

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Speaker 1: was watching that game last night. I knew you were

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Speaker 1: coming on the podcast this morning because we had set

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Speaker 1: this up before the games, and I'm thinking to myself, well,

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Speaker 1: he's probably gonna do a periscope. This guy is not

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Speaker 1: going to bed. I don't think he's going to bed

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Speaker 1: the entire night. And I half thought of, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'll text him right now and say, don't worry about it,

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Speaker 1: we'll catch another time. And then I thought, well, if

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Speaker 1: you really doesn't want to do it, it'll just text

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Speaker 1: me and be like, I'm way too tired. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: your professionalism. If you did that, I would have never

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Speaker 1: spoken to you again because I wrote an article, I

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Speaker 1: did a periscope by set an alarm just for this,

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Speaker 1: and if I woke up to him, we're not doing

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Speaker 1: this text. We would have had problems. We would have words,

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Speaker 1: but we have had the kind of words that Patrick

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Speaker 1: Beverly is having with Kevin Durant right now. That is insane,

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Speaker 1: absolutely insane, what he's doing to him. I don't never

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Speaker 1: really know what to compare it to, but it's more

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Speaker 1: of just uh, he planted a seed, not just not

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Speaker 1: just in game two down thirty, but he didn't in

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Speaker 1: game one two, where he's just he plants the seed

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Speaker 1: of I'm Patrick Beverly and I'm here just to annoy

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Speaker 1: the crap out of you, and it doesn't it's not

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Speaker 1: even like he doesn't play. The misconception here is that

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Speaker 1: Matt Beverly plays dirty. I never really thought he plays dirty.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes he just plays too hard and creates those situations

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Speaker 1: in which one can interpret that he plays dirty. So,

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Speaker 1: for example, in game one, when Kevin Durant gets uh

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Speaker 1: got he got like an AD one call because he

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Speaker 1: did his rip through and kind of falls back, and

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Speaker 1: Patrick Beverley's like impersonating him with a flail, and they're

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Speaker 1: going back and forth and they exchange technical fouls, then

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Speaker 1: they exchange objections, and Kevin Durant said he was cool

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Speaker 1: with it. After the game, He's like, I kind of

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Speaker 1: like that. We're just trash talking. You know, nothing was

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Speaker 1: taken personally. But when you're up thirty one, you get

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Speaker 1: a win, you can say that, right, you can say

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Speaker 1: that it wasn't personal. And then Patrick Beverley keeps doing

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Speaker 1: it down thirty one and he's doing this thing at

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Speaker 1: the foul line where he's pretending to fall in every

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Speaker 1: into the paint every time Kevin Durant is taking a

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Speaker 1: free throw, and it's starting to piss him off a

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Speaker 1: little bit. And when Kevin Durant ends the game with

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Speaker 1: almost as many fouls as total shots and more turnovers

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Speaker 1: than total shots, and he's got Patrick Beverlely inside of

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Speaker 1: his shirt clapping in his space, maybe it's not a

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Speaker 1: joke anymore. And that's just it's more, it's not a

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Speaker 1: knock against Katie as much as it is a credit

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Speaker 1: and a testament. But just what Patrick Beverley is that

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Speaker 1: he's made it this far being missed exact player, and

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Speaker 1: he continues to produce and be efficient as the NBA

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Speaker 1: evolves from this nineties style basketball to pace in space

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Speaker 1: and everything is a foul. This man still continues to

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Speaker 1: this day to be an NBA starter, and a good

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Speaker 1: one at that. He is one of those guys who

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Speaker 1: he's good on every single team and yet never sticks

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Speaker 1: with anybody. Why do you think that is? I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: look so much into not sticking with teams because in

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Speaker 1: much turnover for all the players that I don't really

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Speaker 1: see it that way. But he was as a part

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Speaker 1: of that Chris Paul throw away, you know. Darryl Moray

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Speaker 1: Paul is this almighty point guard point guard that we're

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Speaker 1: gonna pay forty million dollars to when he's thirty five

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Speaker 1: Harrold is probably gonna finished second in six Man of

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Speaker 1: Patrick Beverley, by the way, is just like an absolute

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Speaker 1: pitfall helln dog I can guard and he is a

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Speaker 1: point guard guarding Kevin Durant. In the playoffs, they put

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Speaker 1: So when Kevin Durant is jack in three thirty as

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Speaker 1: they're blowing the thirty point lead with two minutes left, listen,

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Speaker 1: the Warriors sort of run their offense like Steph Curry

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Speaker 1: he usually comes through some sort of an elevator pick,

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Speaker 1: and Kevin Durant is just launching any time he gets

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Speaker 1: open because he's had Patrick Beverly inside his shirt. Call game.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, the seed was planted and it actually grew

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Speaker 1: watched I don't mean this to sound nasty, when I

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Speaker 1: watched Patrick Beverlely guard Kevin Durant, I see him get

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Speaker 1: in his face. It's almost like watching like remember that

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Speaker 1: video of Kevin Hart versus Draymond Green and that that

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Speaker 1: And like Kevin Hart is so much shorter than Draymond

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Speaker 1: he can get up to maybe his stern um. That's

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Speaker 1: what it feels like when Patrick Beverly is doing except

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Speaker 1: he's actually doing it in a real game and being

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Speaker 1: unbelievably effective. Yeah. The comparison I made here was the

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Speaker 1: movie comparison is from the movie The Mummy. There's that

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Speaker 1: Nicious movie, but that really is Patrick Peverley in basketball form.

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Speaker 1: And the thing with me is similar to what you

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Speaker 1: So Patrick Beverley is a basketball troll. And what do

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Speaker 1: you do with trolls. You don't respond to them. Whether

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Speaker 1: the most correct response in the history of the Internet.

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Speaker 1: And it does not matter if you are responding to

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Speaker 1: this whole time, Patrick Peverley troll and cant like, you're

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Speaker 1: and Kim Durant sitting there just kind of laughed in

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, thirty becomes twenty, becomes ten, becomes five

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Speaker 1: has tru cause hooked into KIMN. Durant as much as

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Speaker 1: Pat Dev and Pat Dev and I respected. It's not different. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is what makes this last night's game so amazing.

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Speaker 1: Is Patrick Beverley fouled out with four and a half

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Speaker 1: minutes into this podcast. Last night, you did a twenty

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Speaker 1: five minute periscope. You were fifteen minutes in the periscope.

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Speaker 1: That's twenty five minutes of combined content talking about this game.

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Speaker 1: And we haven't even talked about Lou Williams. Yeah right,

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Speaker 1: I mean there's so many other like what happened during

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Speaker 1: that game last night. So you had Lou Williams, who

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter, like we all have a purpose. Lou Williams

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Speaker 1: don't know how he continues to do this decade later,

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Speaker 1: not games later, not seasons later, that years later. This

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Speaker 1: So like people are talking about where's Clay Thompson, Pey

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Speaker 1: nothing new. Lou Williams was hitting game winners all year.

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles Lakers and all their drama ate up all

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Speaker 1: So when you combine all those elements together in this

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Speaker 1: little cauldron, the ingrediants that are produced in this whap,

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Speaker 1: or a team that feels disrespected and it's going to

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Speaker 1: over a change. You combine the personality of Patrick Beverley,

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Speaker 1: and then you have this guy, Landry Shannon. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if everyone listening to this knows about Landry Shannon.

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Speaker 1: Landry Shannon was another throwaway piece that the Philip Sementi

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Speaker 1: switch was included in the trade for the Pious Harris

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Speaker 1: remember the blockbuster at Sea very trade of oh my god,

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Speaker 1: they just got bious hairs for what Landry Shamont was

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Speaker 1: the key piece going back all and Andrew Shannon has

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Speaker 1: fun is be the best NBA there. I'm talking Lebron,

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Speaker 1: I meaning he was being best players statistically in the

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Speaker 1: NBA going all the way into the final season, the

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Speaker 1: he has presidents on the court. Then that much to

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Speaker 1: the Clippers, and the Clippers were the best second NAP

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Speaker 1: team and it was all because of Sharon's shooting motility.

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Speaker 1: That's what he does. Last night, it came on the line,

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Speaker 1: no big deal, You're just playing in pal against the

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Speaker 1: best dynasty of all time. Just steps right up at

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Speaker 1: h the game winner like it's absolutely nothing. So coming

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Speaker 1: five guys that are completely non namers that now are

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Speaker 1: going to become household names because the Clippers, Doc Rivers

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Speaker 1: year have found that recipe knows great. Damn all right,

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Speaker 1: Next up on the podcast from the Action Network, one

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Speaker 1: of my favorites. I can't believe he hasn't been fired yet,

464
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Speaker 1: but uh, Mr Michael Leavoff covers hockey, covers baseball, covers

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Speaker 1: covers everything really, but mostly I think you're probably known

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Speaker 1: at the Action Network for the things you don't do

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Speaker 1: with the Action Network, like your podcast Islanders Anxiety and

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Speaker 1: being the creator of francessicn So before we even get

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Speaker 1: talk about the Stanley Cup laughs, and the Islanders. It's

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Speaker 1: Tuesday morning. Like I said, the Islanders have a chance

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Speaker 1: to sweep the series tonight. You are wearing your Islanders hats,

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Speaker 1: You're wearing your Islanders sweater, You're wearing your Islanders T shirt.

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Speaker 1: You have been thinking about all the things you can

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Speaker 1: do to rub it and John Tavaris's face when the

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Speaker 1: Olanders advanced in the second round of the playoffs. You

477
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Speaker 1: had a conversation this morning. Tell me about your conversation

478
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Speaker 1: this morning coming in on the l I double R

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Speaker 1: with the train conductor. Yeah, I was just walking away

480
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Speaker 1: from a screaming baby, uh, walking downstream as we like

481
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Speaker 1: to call it, towards the back of the train, and

482
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: I got stopped because I'm wearing an Islander's hat and

483
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Speaker 1: he wanted to check my ticket. He thought I just

484
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Speaker 1: got on, and I said no, you know, I was

485
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Speaker 1: just getting away from that maniac baby over there. And

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Speaker 1: and and he's like, oh, He's like yeah, Plus, you

487
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Speaker 1: got an Islander's hat on, You're good. And then we

488
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Speaker 1: just started talking about the game for you know, twenty

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Speaker 1: minutes while Uh, an oversized truck hit a tunnel, so

490
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Speaker 1: we had to slow down in Forest Hills. Uh. There's

491
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Speaker 1: always something new on the Long Island Railroad and so

492
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Speaker 1: let's slow the Iron Horse down a little bit and

493
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Speaker 1: uh we we got uh, we got to talking and

494
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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, the Islanders are up three nothing on

495
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Speaker 1: the Penguins right now, and um the credo from Barry

496
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Speaker 1: Trots our fear this leader has been the fourth game

497
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: as the hardest to win. It as excited and surreal

498
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: as this whole thing has been. We kept reminding each

499
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Speaker 1: other not not to count our chickens before before they hatch,

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Speaker 1: because you know, if there's a team that can blow

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00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: a three nothing lead and just stomp your heart in

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00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: front of your face, it's the New York Islanders and um,

503
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: so we're not looking past this game. We're not counting

504
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 1: anything is done and dusted. So the conversation was literally,

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited, you know this is a dream, but

506
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Speaker 1: we gotta win the fourth game. And then I would reply,

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Speaker 1: you know, the fourth game is the hardest game to win,

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Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, this team is really tough. Like

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Speaker 1: if there's a team that can come back from a

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Speaker 1: three nothing lead at Sidney Crosby and the Penguins. So

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Speaker 1: we uh, we made sure to to kind of pump

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Speaker 1: our brakes a little bit, both literally add metaphorical. Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of breaks being pumped on the

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Speaker 1: train this morning. Here's what I love about Leeboff is um,

515
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: you go all in on your passions the Islanders. When

516
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: you decided things weren't going well in Rockville Center. What

517
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: did you do? I ran from mayor? How old are you?

518
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Speaker 1: And what happened? I lost? Why did you lose? It's

519
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: just a political machine and I was trying to tear

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00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: down it's too too tough the incumbent mayor. Um, he's

521
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: a good guy. Uh his his dad was married for

522
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Speaker 1: like thirty years in my town. Um. Part of the

523
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: reason I was running for mayor was just because the

524
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: Islanders were in a very precarious position and I didn't

525
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: know how to get into a position of power and

526
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: try to like save them. And this was one avenue. Um,

527
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: not that I was that was the only reason. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm an idealist, idealistic guy like I

529
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Speaker 1: would love to to be in a position to make

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Speaker 1: the world a little bit better place, to make timey

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Speaker 1: changes to Earth if you if you will, and uh,

532
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: it's all any of us can get. Yeah, exactly. And um,

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00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: yeah I lost this guy. Friend Mary's doing a pretty

534
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: pretty decent job. And yeah, I mean every time I

535
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Speaker 1: see him, which has probably been like six or seven

536
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: times since then, it's you know, a little cold. And

537
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: I've never had a political rival before, and now I do.

538
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: Does he know it's cold when you see him or

539
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: is it just from you? I don't know. Actually I

540
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: saw him once at a at a bar at we

541
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: ended up relieving ourselves at adjacent urnals. Yeah, and uh,

542
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 1: that's when I noticed it was cold. What he wouldn't

543
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: look at you. What happened? I said hello and he

544
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 1: didn't say back. You usually say hello back or how

545
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: are you? And he didn't do that. Um he. I

546
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: mean it was a big drinking day on Long Long Island.

547
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: Is drinking days we do. I think we do drinking days,

548
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: and I think we curse better than anybody, like, we

549
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: don't waste curse curse words on anything. Um. So it

550
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: was Irish Day on Long Island in Raffles Center and

551
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: it was late. We've both had our drinking legs under

552
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: us and made it till the sun came down, which

553
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: is an accomplishment in itself. And um, maybe I didn't.

554
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: I think I said hello, uh and then he didn't

555
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: say it back. But you know, maybe he was just

556
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: a little fatigued from the drinking. There's an Irish day

557
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: in Long Island that is different than St. Patrick's Day. Uh. Yeah,

558
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: there's so many Irish days actually, there's like they just

559
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: like throw him on this the calendar just to like,

560
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 1: I think, bringing an influx of people from from all

561
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: over uh Raffolsner, where I grew up, is known for

562
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: having this. A lot of towns claim this week. We

563
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: claim it to uh most bars per capita in the

564
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Speaker 1: United States, and so a lot of people come from

565
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: all over Long Island. The week after St. Patrick's Day

566
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: is our Irish Day. So fran Murray is your political rival. Yeah,

567
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: well he's one of them, several I think, but most

568
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: of them just don't know it. But you're thinking about it.

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00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 1: You're going after him. Um, all right. The other thing

570
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: that you started before we can get to the playoffs

571
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: is France Sssicon. Mike Francesessa explore, there was a great

572
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: story about this. This is why I hired you is

573
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: because we were talking and you're like, I started friends

574
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Speaker 1: Sssicon and then you sent me the story that was

575
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Speaker 1: in grant Land about you starting Francessicon. I feel like

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00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: you starting friends ssicon and francessa on w f A N.

577
00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: These are the most Long Island things ever. Yeah, explain

578
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: how you started this. Well, it wasn't just me. It

579
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: was me and my buddy Ron, who's actually from Clifton,

580
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: New Jersey. Um, but he's a huge francessa guy too.

581
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, when I was used to working in

582
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Speaker 1: this uh financial job, which like I to this day

583
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: don't know how I ended up there. It didn't last long.

584
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: And uh one day I was driving home from work

585
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: and I was just like real piste off because I

586
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: hated my job. I hated my boss. And I was

587
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: stuck in traffic on the Merritt Parkway, which you know

588
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: very well, um, and I was listening to Mike and

589
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: I was just cracking up because he was just going

590
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Speaker 1: off on someone. And I called my buddy. I was like,

591
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: we need to we need to start a bark call

592
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: from Mike Frances and just have people dressed up like Mike,

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00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, like Santa Con and um, we both kind

594
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: of just shot the idea around and uh we we

595
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: were working, you know, both freelancing for a guy who

596
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Speaker 1: who ran like a sports culture website out in the

597
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: West Coast and he didn't really know, you know, much

598
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: about the Frances of phenomenon. He's like, yeah, go for it.

599
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: So we did, and the next thing, you know, it

600
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: like kind of just went pretty much like sports viral,

601
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: I guess would be the best way to put it.

602
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: And he called me. He's like, we're gonna get sued

603
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: by Mike Frand says, I can't be attached to this um.

604
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: And we're like, all right, like but we're gonna still

605
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: do it. And we did. It. Was it was the

606
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: Saturday before the Super Bowl in New York. It was

607
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: a bar crawl. Didn't really get past one bar, but

608
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean it was a great time. Where did you

609
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: start and finish? It was a bar called the Saloon.

610
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it's there. It's up on the Upper

611
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: east Side or it was um and I think it closed.

612
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: But the we had special guests there. We have Jack

613
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: young Blood who is in an NFL Hall of Famer,

614
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: showed up, played in a broken wagon Super Bowl. No

615
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: idea how he got there, but he was there. Um

616
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: Jeff Cumberland who we paid a thousand dollars to show

617
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: up because we we had raised money through like ticket sales,

618
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: not ticket sales that year, but just selling T shirts online,

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00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: so we we had paid Jeff Cumberland a show up fee.

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00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: He was a terrible tight end for the Jets, Like

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Speaker 1: just I mean, I don't know if many Jets fans

622
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: would know who he is, but he showed up. Um

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Speaker 1: paying him, you know Grant like me and my friends

624
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: called a Cumberland Now anytimes someone talks about and a

625
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: mere con who's actually boxing, Terence Crawford Saturday at the

626
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: Garden showed up. His people call him called me the

627
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: day before frances Con. Hey, a meir is gonna be

628
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: in town for the super Bowl. He wants to go

629
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Speaker 1: to a super Bowl party. Yours really stuck out. I

630
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: was like a mere con, you know, the British boxer,

631
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: and he's like yeah. I was like, all right, he's

632
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: more than welcome to show up. He's gonna have no

633
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: idea what's going on. So he just like walks through

634
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: the crowd and walked out. And you know that boxing

635
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: already's in each sport. Mike, francis Con was a very

636
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Speaker 1: neat thing. Um one person noticed called into Mike the

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Speaker 1: next day and it's like or for super Bowl show

638
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Speaker 1: on Sunday. He's like, Mike, did you know a mere

639
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: con was at frances Con? And he thought he meant

640
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars owner who was also his name. Last

641
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: name was also con. He's like, the Jacksonville Jaguars owner

642
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: was at Francis Con. And he's like, yeah, so so

643
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: Mike thought that that the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars

644
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: was at Francis Con. He might do this day. But yeah,

645
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: and then uh, Mike and I become, you know, basically

646
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: best friends stance. Then I actually was texting him on

647
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: the train. Yeah, you text him a lot. You're every day.

648
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: You tell me when you're texting Frances it's a it's

649
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: a flex. You flex very well. All right, let's get

650
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: to the NHEL playoffs. Let's do it. Last night, you

651
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: were on the Predators they won. You were on the

652
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: money line. You have. The only reason anyone in the

653
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: office is betting hockey is because you're betting hockey. So

654
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: and Ken Barkley, Locky Lockerson, who has been writing like

655
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: amazing stuff and putting out systems that anyone can follow,

656
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: like he's putting out a spreadsheet, and then people can

657
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: fill in their own systems on his spreadsheet. Essentially, Uh,

658
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: if they go to the Action Network Action network dot com,

659
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: download the free app. Um, what are you thinking about

660
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: when you're betting hockey? Right now? Yeah? The uh the

661
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: NHL playoffs are just a really, really good opportunity to

662
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: learn a lot about betting because it's a very controlled environment,

663
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: very controlled betting environment. Right, the same two teams are

664
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: playing each other for especially game between game one and

665
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: game two, there's very little change, Right, the teams are

666
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: on the same rest, they're playing in the same venue.

667
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: There's maybe there's an injury or whatever, but most of

668
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: the time it's the same roster playing each other. So

669
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: the market theoretically should be set before game one. But

670
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: so the best example is last year the Penguins played

671
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: the Flyers. They won game one seven nothing. They were

672
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: like minus one eighty. Then for game two they were

673
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: like minus two thirty. So what's that telling you is like,

674
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: the markets already been set at minus one eight, So

675
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: you're you're getting you know, somewhere between thirty and fifty

676
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: cents of value on the Flyers the next game because

677
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: you already know what the line should be. They already

678
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: told you what the line should be. Ah, And it

679
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: doesn't even matter that the Flyers. The Flyers did win

680
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: game two, but that doesn't even matter. What matters is

681
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: you were able to recognize that situation and then take

682
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: advantage of it. And we saw that with the Blue

683
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: Jackets and and Lightning a little bit. Lightning lost game one,

684
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: which they were already overpriced. Like people are underestimating the

685
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: Blue Jackets. They're they're a good team. Like sure they

686
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: were the eight seed and they're playing a generational team. Um,

687
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: but the Blue Jacks are good, and they got better

688
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: at the deadline, and they're coming into the playoffs hot,

689
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: which has some correlation to doing well in the playoffs,

690
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: and so people are already on underestimating them. They win

691
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: game one, then people just can't fathom the fact that

692
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: this amazing Lightning team would be able to would go

693
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: down to nothing at home. So the line moved in

694
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: their direction for game two too, And what are you

695
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: gonna do there? You're not gonna take a bad number

696
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: when the markets already been said, You're gonna take a

697
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: good number on top of what it was already a

698
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: good number. And the Blue Jackets won. So like there's

699
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: a very easy, um kind of like surface level way

700
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: to get in. And I always try to tell like

701
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: I was talking to Scott Miller, I think last year

702
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: for the playoffs ANDLLAR, executive vet or of the action, right.

703
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: I was like Scott, you know, my big hockey fan

704
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: at all um, I you know, kind of explained my

705
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: my strategy for that game with the Penguins and and

706
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: Flyers and it, and that drew them in. And it

707
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: takes one hockey bet to get into hockey, I think,

708
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: especially in the playoffs, Like it's a different antim once

709
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: you do it, Like the game is just a roller coaster,

710
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: it's just chaos, which is absolute chaos in in a

711
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: very small area. So once you do that, you'll get

712
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: into it. And there's so much good public facing data

713
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: in hockey too, so you can just keep learning and learning.

714
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: And it's already a soft market because not as many

715
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: people bet it, so your best I think if you're

716
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: going on to better for one of the four major

717
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: sports and you're looking to actually succeed and not just

718
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: betting to you know, because you're watching the Dolphins and

719
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: the Bears on Sunday, it's it's got to be hockey.

720
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: This all makes perfectly good sense, except for the fact

721
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: that you still end up betting on bad teams. Yeah

722
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: all the time. I think. I mean, I had another

723
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: good season betting hockey, and I was well under five,

724
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: because it's just betting bed underdogs. So that's what you

725
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: really do, is you end up betting the money line

726
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: on the underdogs every single time. When do you bet

727
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: favorites in the NHL in the playoffs, especially rarely, I

728
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: would say, like, probably the most expensive team I bet

729
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: this year, it was like a man just won forty

730
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: You already it's it's such a volatile sport already. It's

731
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: very low event scoring two so one goal is very important.

732
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: And think about how many goals going off someone shin

733
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: pad and that changes the game completely, you know, So

734
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: you take you take advantage of that valatility by not,

735
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, laying crazy prices. Sure there's sometimes its value

736
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: on favorites and hockey, but I tend to and maybe

737
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: this is, you know, an area I've got to improve on,

738
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: is I tend to just always lean towards underdog because

739
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: I don't think we account for the randomness of the

740
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: sport enough. So what do you do about the Islanders?

741
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: The Islanders are up three? Oh, what's the price on

742
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: the Islanders tonight? They're like plus one fifty? They they

743
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: they've been underpriced. This is probably the closest to the

744
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: appropriate price we've seen the series, and so there's plus

745
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 1: one fifty against the Pens tonight, Penguins down three nothing.

746
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: What do you do in that game? Yeh, right now,

747
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: I don't really think I'm gonna bet it. I have

748
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: an I have an Islander series. Bet. I have an

749
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: Islanders Stanley Cupp future. So I by the way, yeah,

750
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: I know we all do. Yeah, I think who who

751
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: brought those? For every Evan Abrams as Yeah, one of

752
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: one of our do it all guys that at the

753
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: Action Networking. You see him on television all the time too.

754
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: For I'll take that bet um. He went out to Vegas.

755
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: He bought everybody an Islander's futures ticket. I forgot what

756
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: the price was at um. So you have an Islanders

757
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: futures bet, you have an Islanders series, bet Um. Take

758
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: the Islanders out of it, then handicap the rest of

759
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: the NHL playoffs for me, yeah, I mean there's there

760
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: are a couple of scary teams, like I think the

761
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: Nights are probably the best bet in the in the

762
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: West if if you're looking to I mean, the number

763
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: is pretty much gone at this point for for any team.

764
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: But they they're good like they and I think they've

765
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: kind of flown under the radar a little bit because

766
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: of all the hoopla up their season last year. Uh,

767
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: they're good, they're playing the Sharks are also good. But

768
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: the Sharks have a terrible goalie. Like goaltending also, is

769
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: it really really probably the hardest position to project in

770
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: all sports. I think, um is goaltending in the NHL,

771
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: like guys just come out of nowhere to have great seasons.

772
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: Guys fall off a cliff all the time. Like it's

773
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: just impossible to be able to project goaltending UM. And

774
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: there are a lot of bad goalies in the West,

775
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: like Mike Smith on the Flames is as serious, Achilles Heal,

776
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: Martin Jones for the Sharks not good. So the Knights

777
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: are not only are a good team, but they have

778
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: a reliable goaltender and Mark Andre Fleury, which should put

779
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: them in a decent position. Um. The Blues. The Blues,

780
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: who had a tar horrible start to to the regular season,

781
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: have kind of put they put things together around the

782
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 1: midway mark, and uh, after they lost the Islanders. Actually

783
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: they even cite that game that that was their turnaround,

784
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: part point of the game season. They but their goaltender

785
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: is a rookie Johan Bennington, who's who's come out of nowhere, uh,

786
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: kind of taking the lead by storm. So I'm not

787
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: really waded into the Blues that much just because I

788
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: don't like, I can't figure this guy out, so rather

789
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: I've just been passing on it. But I mean, if

790
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: if you're really just like looking for for a team

791
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: that maybe has like a shred of value left, it's

792
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: it's probably the Nights in the West, So that would

793
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: be your team in the West. That would be my pick.

794
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm running for for the Avalanche because they're the worst

795
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: team and I'm expecting the Islanders to get the Stanley Cup.

796
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you want the Islanders the matchic have the

797
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: best opportunity. Correct. If the Islanders don't make it from

798
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: their conference, who makes it likely? I think the Bruins

799
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: are probably it should be the Lightning, but they're they're

800
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: they're in, yes, a lot of trouble um. I think

801
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: that whoever comes out of that, it'll be the Bruins,

802
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: Maple Leaves or Blue Jackets, assuming they can hold onto

803
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: this three three game lead. I think whoever comes out

804
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,479
Speaker 1: of that, we'll play the Islanders in the Eastern Conference Final,

805
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: so we could be looking at a Tavaris situation here.

806
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, if the Islanders play the Maple Leaves

807
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: and John Tavaris is at the folk point of that

808
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: playoff series, how are you going to handle it? Not well,

809
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? How are you going to

810
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: manage that? Are you gonna take the week off? Like?

811
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: Are you gonna just sitting there all day? What are

812
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: you gonna do? I try not to think about it.

813
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: Um yeah, Like I mean it. It's making me nervous

814
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: right now. I've already, you know, been texting my friends

815
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: like this is the Blue Jackets have kind of been

816
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: you know, screwing with my mind a little bit, just

817
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: because you know, I expected the Leaves not to be

818
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: able to get out of that gauntlet. The Bruins are

819
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: very good, obviously, the lightning or the best team in

820
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: the league. So I was like, all right, like they

821
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: should be taken care of by the time the Islanders

822
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: are in the Eastern Conference Final, and now we're have

823
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: some more uncertainty, and um yeah, I don't know. I know,

824
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: like some couple of my loved ones, like my mother,

825
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: was very worried about that. She she doesn't she didn't

826
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: really understand the playoff format, but she's like, well, how

827
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: likely is it? And I said it wasn't very likely,

828
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, five days ago, but now it's increasingly likely

829
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: or getting more likely by the day. And um, she's

830
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: she's very concerned. Um, not just for me, but for like,

831
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: my my relationships and you know, my my job, and um,

832
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: you know what what would happen to me if if

833
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: And this is not just me, I mean Islander fans

834
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 1: are all like this, like we have been treated so poorly,

835
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: not just by other teams, but like by the media

836
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: and by local politicians and on Long Island. Like it's

837
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: just an absolute disaster the way we've been treated. And

838
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: so getting this opportunity has been that's why you know,

839
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: we don't take anything for granted really as a fan base,

840
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: just because we can't take like, for my greater part

841
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: of my life. When I would not go in to bed,

842
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know if the Islanders would be there in

843
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: the morning, just because they almost moved so many times. Um,

844
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: so this is this isn't just me, Like this is

845
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: all Islander fans are kind of have this, you know,

846
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: feeling inside them and I'm worried for for all of us,

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Speaker 1: not just not just me. Listen, I want you to

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Speaker 1: tell your mom you have nothing to worry about in

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Speaker 1: your job. I cannot vouch for you're impending marriage, but

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Speaker 1: I can promise as you that you are always going

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Speaker 1: to have a job unless you keep losing hockey bets,

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Speaker 1: in which case we're gonna fire you. Yeah, it's fine.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't understand why you and and p

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Speaker 1: k are are always on my back about Patrick Keene,

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Speaker 1: CEO of the Action I don't know if you don't

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Speaker 1: follow me in the app or whatever, but usually we're

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Speaker 1: the winning side of life, Mike Leeboff, I hope. So

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the podcast anytime. Let's go back

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Speaker 1: to work. Yeah alright. This has been the favorites from

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