1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now moved the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: What's up everybody? DJ? Bucky here, moved the sticks, Bucky? 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: How you do man, Man, I'm good, I'm good. We're 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: finishing up a another good week. A lot of football, 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: uh conversations that you and I've had, not a lot 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: of news, but just a little bit. Yeah yeah, one 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: uh one thing I'm looking forward to on this episode. Really, 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: the most majority of this episode is going to be 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: our conversation with Pete Carroll and Michael Gervei. Everybody knows 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll format coach usc uh super Bowl winning coach 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: of the Seattle Seahawks, and somebody whose culture is is 12 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: investigated and studied by coaches all across the landscape. If 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: you've heard his great podcast with Steve Kurse, Steve Kurt 14 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: talks about when he got into coaching, he went up 15 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: there and spent time with Seattle and one of the 16 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: things that makes the culture so unique and so special 17 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,639 Speaker 1: is the influence and presence of a guy you've known 18 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: for a long time. And Michael GERVEI, Yeah, Dr Gervais 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: is one of the best in the business. A high 20 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: performance specialist does a really good job of uh teaching 21 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: guys to practice mindfulness. He's really had a lot of 22 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: impact on players, on coaches, high level athletes, high level executives. 23 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: Does a really good job. And I think they're connection 24 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: is unique. But I think when you listen to them, 25 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: you hear them kind of speak out of the same voice. Yeah. 26 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: I almost wonder if you're if you're in a professional 27 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: sports organization and you don't have somebody UM in that 28 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: role as kind of that high performance psychologist, I think 29 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: you're missing out. I mean, I think it's a tremendous 30 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: resource for your coaching staff as well as for your players. Yeah, DJ, 31 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: this goes all the way back. It's really personal for 32 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: me because when I was an undergraded Carolina we had 33 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: Dr Richard Coope, who was a sports psychologist who worked 34 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: with a lot of golfers. UM. I worked with him 35 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: not only as an undergrad, but after that when I 36 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: was in the National Football League, and then also a 37 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: guy who impacted me a lot when I was a 38 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: student was Dr Joseph Silva, who was also a sports psychologist, 39 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: and he work closely with Anson Drance who was who 40 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: still is the head coach of the women's soccer team 41 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: and they want a million national titles. And so I'm 42 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: a big believer in having someone who can also train 43 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: your mind because I've seen the value. I've seen how 44 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: it impacts your performance and your ability to bound backs 45 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: from tough moments. Well, forgive me for for for pushing 46 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: this forward, Bucky, but there is there an example that 47 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: you can give people of like what they would do 48 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: that could help a player when when you're in college. Yeah, 49 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: so when I was in college, like the night before games, 50 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: uh Dr Coop would kind of sent me in a 51 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: room with a handful of other guys because he worked 52 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: primarily with the punters and kickers. But we would be 53 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: in a dark room and he would start the visualization process. 54 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: And your mind can't distinguish between real moments or imagine moments, 55 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: and so if you can train your mind to see 56 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: these big plays or these positive plays happening when they 57 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: kind of happened in games, it's almost like deja vu. 58 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: And so we would go through this routine where you 59 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: would get comfortable and relax and you would basically played 60 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: the game out the night before the game happened, so 61 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: you would visualize yourself making plays having all the success 62 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: that you want to have, but you also would see 63 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: yourself having struggles and how you would coach yourself through 64 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: those moments. And so from that I just kind of 65 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: learned how to kind of deal with those moments. And 66 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: the one thing that I took away, uh that I 67 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: kind of teach my son and others. He would always say, 68 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: imagine that there's a trash can hanging over the back 69 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: of your right shoulder. So when there was a bad play, 70 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: he would actually have you go through the act of 71 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: balling that play up and just put it in the 72 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: trash can. Yeah, put it in the trash can, and 73 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: we'll go through the trash can at the end of 74 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: the game. But it allowed you to be able to 75 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: move on and to stay in the moment. So, look, 76 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: we'll deal with all that other stuff after the game, 77 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: but right now, let's just ball it up, put it 78 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: in the trash can, and then we'll just continue to play. 79 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: So it was one of those things that kind of 80 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: helped me play through those bad moments. That's fantastic, how 81 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: about it In terms of being able to help with emotions. 82 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: You know, I think a lot of guys struggle with 83 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: that being able to kind of control their emotions and 84 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: kind of stay in that even keel and stay as 85 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: as you're gonna hear in this interview the importance of 86 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: staying in the moment. Yeah. So, um, we always had 87 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: like a powerful word, you hear, like marathon runners or 88 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: people talk about having one word that kind of brings 89 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: you back to focus. And so we wouldcome what we 90 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: were so strong. Strong could mean anything, but is hey, 91 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: when I break the whotel, I'm going to be strong 92 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: in mind and body and spirit like whatever those things are. 93 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: So he would give you certain clues that you could 94 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: take to kind of bring you back, to send you, 95 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: to put you in that moment when you could be 96 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: at your best. All right, well, let's let's get to 97 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: this interview here. I think you guys are gonna enjoy 98 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: this again you all know Pete Carroll, but I think 99 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna love listening to Michael Gervei, Dr Michael Gervei 100 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: and his perspective on things. So here's our conversation we 101 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: had with Pete Carroll and Michael Gervei. Alright, so excited 102 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: to be joined by the premier high performance psychologist, Dr 103 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: Michael Gervei as well as Super Bowl winning head coach 104 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: Pete are all guys. I want to get into this 105 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: new project you guys have been working on here in 106 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: just a minute. But before we get to that, I 107 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: love to know from both you, you know, start with you, Pete, 108 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: how you guys came together and how you guys first met. Yeah, 109 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: years ago, we were introduced by a mutual friend and 110 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: shot it's we've been together eight or nine years or 111 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: something by now. We've been together a long time UM 112 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: down in Los Angeles, and we uh talked the same 113 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: language on the topics of sports psychology and performance and things. 114 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: We've just kind of hit it off. And so Mike 115 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: joined us and has been helping me for years trying 116 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: to put together ways to help guys play their best. 117 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: And we've we've had a great time doing it. We've 118 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: we've been a great partner and we're excited about this 119 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: project we're on right now. You know, Michael Um and 120 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: thinking about this project. What is the audible project? Compete 121 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: to Create? Okay, So essentially Compete to Create is the 122 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: combination of coaches genius where he has a clear system 123 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: and a clear idea of how to create a culture 124 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: to help people become their very best. And then my lane, 125 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: if you will, is how to help people who want 126 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: to be the very best to train their minds, to 127 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: condition their minds. And what we found is that we've 128 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: got high core pillars that we work from, ranging from 129 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: self discovery to mindset training, and essentially that is what 130 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: Compeza create is I love a Guys, you're gonna be 131 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: able to to access that July nine, audible dot com 132 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: slash compete to create. You can pre order it right now. 133 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: What a fantastic project. I want to get both of 134 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,679 Speaker 1: your opinions on this one. I'll start with you, Coach 135 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: uh and Mike if you could follow up. But Coach 136 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: I always hear you talk about authenticity. You talked about 137 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: it when we were around you scouting at USC back 138 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: in the day. You talk about it now with all 139 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: the success you've had with the Seahawks, when you think 140 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: about having mentors and and somebody like yourself who has 141 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,239 Speaker 1: a coaching tree in Belichick has a tree, and Shannon 142 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: has a tree of coaches beneath them, how do you 143 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: balance supplementing what you've learned from other people to help 144 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: you without substituting and changing who you are well, that's 145 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: a that's a good challenge. You know. The first the 146 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: self discovery process is so crucial here because you gotta 147 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: know who you are, you gotta know what you stand 148 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: for and all of that. And the people that we've 149 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: experienced over the years and we've you know, we've coached with, 150 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: joined with, learned from um, you know, they just they 151 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: have become a part of the myself and you know 152 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: what I think. And so through the process of working 153 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: through what really is important to you, what you really 154 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: believe in, where you're uncompromising principles lie um, you know, 155 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: I think you come to you can come to an 156 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: agreement with yourself that this is what represents me. And 157 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: then then it's the practice of staying on a regular basis, 158 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: coming back to the same themes and the same the 159 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: same approach. With confidence and a good belief, you can 160 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: you can withstand the challenges where people are you know, 161 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: taking their shots at you that make you have to 162 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: hold onto what you are and who you are. And 163 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: I think that practice what Mike has always helped us 164 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: well understand, uh, And the sense of you know where 165 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: you come from is really powerful. And so it's it's 166 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: a fantastic process that we go through and then you 167 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: got to hold on too, improve it on a daily basis. 168 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: And one of the one of the core elements of 169 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: being able to be authentic is to know exactly who 170 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: you are, what are your guiding principles, and that part 171 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: of the discovery work is actually quite rare, and without 172 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: it we get whipped around by the stressors of the 173 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: world outside of us. Once you know who you are, 174 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: the most powerful thing about it is nobody can take 175 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: it away, no situation, no circumstance. It is your essence 176 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: of who you are, and that becomes such a powerful 177 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,679 Speaker 1: mover in the world that right now we're being called 178 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: to say, Okay, what are the core principles that guide 179 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: your thoughts, your words, and your actions, and can you 180 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: be about it in common environments, in the most rugged 181 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: or hostile environments. And if you can be about it 182 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: because you've trained your mind to be able to deal 183 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: with the stressors of the world, that is an authentic 184 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: person who can travel anywhere across the planet, in any boardroom, 185 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: living room, in any part of the world and authentically 186 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: be themselves. And so it's a combination self discovery and 187 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: psychological skill development. You know, Michael, haven't had conversations with you. 188 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of pisch this out to Pete 189 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: and you because you guys have been a part of 190 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: a great culture that's been established in Seattle. You talk 191 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: about authenticity and being yourself. The one thing that I 192 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: noticed when I watched the Seahawks you have a combination 193 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: of guys with different personalities, but they really play as 194 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: a team. As a coach, how do you get that 195 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: where you can allow your guys to be individuals but 196 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: still understand the bigger part of the team concept. It's 197 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: really important for It starts with me being really clear 198 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: about what I expect, you know, and then have a 199 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: style and the formula that these guys can recognize. They 200 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: know that what they're constantly in touch with it as 201 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: we go through the process of practice and meetings and 202 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: all that we do in the games, uh, and and 203 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: staying connected to it. They they buy in. They give 204 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: themselves to the to the program, and then they find 205 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: I think this through the success and the fund that 206 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: we have that that it's it feels right to them 207 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: and so they give themselves to the process and they're 208 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: willing to adapt. Uh. You know, the individuality at times 209 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: to become part of the team. The thing that we've 210 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: always celebrated is the uniqueness of our players, and we 211 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: we want to identify that, bring it to the surface 212 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: and hopefully allow that to come into their play. I 213 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: think through that process of us caring so much about 214 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: finding their best, um, they're willing to do whatever it 215 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: takes to be part of it. So we've had a 216 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: great sense of loyalty. We've had a great connection. Uh, 217 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: there's been a feeling of brotherhood throughout the time we've 218 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: been together and something that we really cherish. But you 219 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: have to earn it by what you give to it 220 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: and how what you bring to it and so um, 221 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: you know that we're always looking for those elements that 222 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: make up the passion and the perseverance and the kind 223 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: of resilience that we need in a program. And these 224 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: guys have been fantastic and we've had a blast. The 225 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: key word is celebrate their uniqueness. Right. So it's not 226 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: a permission or it's not us allowing or it's not 227 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: us letting. And that's a language that we often here 228 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: reflected back like you let people be their us. It's 229 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: a fundamentally error it's a fundamental error in the approach. 230 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: It's a relentless approach to say, what is unique about you, 231 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: Let's celebrate that, Let's put you in positions where you 232 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: can express that on a regular basis. And that's an 233 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: asset based approach to development. And this is a developmental, 234 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: you know, minded program that is relationship based. And the 235 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: essence of it is nobody can do this alone. Nobody 236 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: can do the extraordinary alone. It's too big, it's too 237 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: too much to get your arms around from one person. 238 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: So we need each other on this journey, this this 239 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: journey of football in life. And so to do that, 240 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: we're asking people, say, let's figure out who you really are, 241 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: what makes you special, and let's celebrate that as often 242 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: as we possibly can. Coaching You're you're so known for 243 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: your energy and enthusiasm throughout throughout your coaching career. I 244 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: remember being with the Philadelphi Eagles and you Reid would 245 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: talk about energy being a skill, you know, having guys 246 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: that could bring energy and juice and enthusiasm to your team. 247 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: When when you're evaluating players to bring into your building, Um, 248 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: how does that factor in in terms of some of 249 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: the personality things and just overall energy that you get 250 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: from some of these guys. Well, it certainly does factor in, 251 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: particularly when it stands out, but not everybody is like that. 252 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: Some people just are quiet and they keep to themselves 253 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: and all that. We we don't expect everyone to be 254 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,599 Speaker 1: on board with being outgoing and you know, gregarious and 255 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: all of that, but we do have a staff that 256 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: is very much that way, and so we will pull 257 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: that out of people. And we would like to think 258 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: that we could if somebody's got some juice in there, 259 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: we might be able to get a little bit more, 260 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: you know, I pull them out and draw on it 261 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: from them. But it's all part of the makeup. I 262 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: think probably the competitiveness part of it is the most 263 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: important element that we're looking for. That they really have 264 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: that that chip on the shoulder and they've got something 265 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: to prove. But when we find it, we certainly will champion, 266 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: you know. But it's the same thing. We're not going 267 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: to try to make somebody something they're not so. But 268 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: and and we do have a variety of makeups and 269 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: that put this team all together, you know, Coach, the 270 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: common denominator that I hear you talk about consistently is competition. 271 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: But one thing that I've always married about your teams, 272 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: going back to SC in Seattle, has been a development 273 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: of players, Guys who may have been unheralded, but somehow 274 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: you guys get him in the program and they began 275 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: to play at a higher level. How does how does 276 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: that happen? What does the developmental process happen for your guys? Well, 277 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: it's it's it is a really big deal to our staff. Um, 278 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, we're developmental staff. And what that means to 279 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: us that we're gonna go with a guy as far 280 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: as we can possibly take him, with the highest of 281 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: expectations that we can establish for that individual, until he's 282 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: not there any longer. And then we just go to 283 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: the next guy that shows up, you know, and the 284 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: coaches are going to try to make everything they can 285 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: of this opportunity with the kid they got. That's kind 286 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: of what drives us as as individual coaches and as 287 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: a staff. And then that you're always looking towards the positive, 288 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: You're always looking towards the future of what somebody could become. 289 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: And with that thought, you know, we we just will 290 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: not back off. And so h you know, our guys, 291 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,479 Speaker 1: you have we use really good uh language and terminology 292 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: and self talk about our guys. You know, we really 293 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: want to constantly build them to what they could become 294 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: as long as they're with us, and we're dedicated to that. 295 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: We kind of joined each year and and and revisit 296 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: that oath and and uh you know that's we're developmental 297 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: staff for those purposes. Mike, I want to ask you 298 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: about Russell Wilson. You've had a chance to be around him. 299 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: Obviously Pete knows him extremely well. But the two things 300 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: that stand out to me about Russ going all the 301 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: way from when he was coming out of Wisconsin to 302 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: what he's become there, it seems like he's been able 303 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: to kind of balance having that discipline routine that he 304 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: goes through but also having a growth mindset of trying 305 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: to find new ways to do things better. How how 306 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: is that balance? That delicate balance of those two things. 307 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: There's as humans, there's only three things that we can train. 308 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: We can train our craft, our body, and our mind. 309 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: And what you see in Russ is what the tip 310 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: of the ARA performers tend to reflect is that they're 311 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: not leaving one of those three up to chance. So 312 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: training and conditioning in a relentless way. To become your 313 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: very best does require a deep investment in training, craft, body, 314 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: and mind. The science of sports psychology is saying, hey, listen, 315 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: we have studied the extraordinaries. This is how they organize 316 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: their inner life, and these are the mental skills they build. 317 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: Confidence is a skill, Being calm is a skill. Having 318 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: deep focus is a trainable skill. You can do sets 319 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: and reps with all of them, and the best of 320 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: the best they are not leaving one of those up 321 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: the chance. You know Pete as a high school coach, 322 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: I am here in l a like. I've always looked 323 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: at you and the way that you kind of interacted 324 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: with your team and the way that you ran your program, 325 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: And the one thing that I've beenmired is your ability 326 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: to kind of stay in the moment. It never looks 327 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: like the moment is too big for you or your team. 328 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: How do you teach that, how do you practice that? 329 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: How do you model that for your players? I love 330 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: that observation because I would like to be noted for 331 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: always being in the moment um. That's being mindful and 332 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: in teaching mindfulness and standing for it. But it's but 333 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: when than that because you have to practice mindfulness if 334 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: you're going to be in a good at it, if 335 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna be in the moment, you've got to be 336 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: comfortable with that type of focus that it takes to 337 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: be there and be present. So we I'm constantly trying 338 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: to put ourselves in positions where we recognize here is 339 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: an opportunity to be centered right now, and with that thought, 340 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: we we do it so often it becomes normal to us. 341 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: We look and we set the stage, we look forward 342 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: to the tense moments, the finishing you know, opportunities uh 343 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: with in a practice mode and try to get to 344 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: where we develop a poise where we can stay focused 345 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: and we can execute right there down to the very 346 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: instant that it takes to you know, to finish the 347 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: challenge at hand. Um. I'd like to think that we 348 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: practice finishing, you know, better than anybody does. And it's 349 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: something that's really important to us and so that we 350 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: have the that as a skill for us, and so 351 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: we have a mentality to enter into those kinds of 352 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: situations that we've been there a lot of times before. 353 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: And so you know, that's where the confidence comes from. 354 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: You know that you can know the situation. The elements 355 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: aren't too much for you. And if you believe and 356 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: if I just keep doing the right thing, that the 357 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: success is going to come our way. Man. There is 358 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: another element to that, that's you've gotta have the person. 359 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: We're gonna to outlast people. You've gotta last longer than 360 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: they last doing right and so but that's something that 361 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: we work hard at. And uh, I hope that's what 362 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: you see. And when you're comfortable and when you're confident 363 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: you are having fun, it does feel better. You are 364 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: more open, you are more outgoing. That that's we don't 365 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: want to be inhibited in those moments. That's the last 366 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: time we want to be fully flowing, ripping and going 367 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: and when whenever that chance comes, so we try to 368 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: practice those opportunities as much as possible. Just like anything else, 369 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: you gotta practice the skills to develop them. Fully flowing, 370 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: ripping and going. I love every part of that. And 371 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: and that kind of sounds like Snoop Dog might have 372 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: sit out when you know I'm not, don't And Bucky, 373 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: what I love about your observation is that is one 374 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: of the core elements of people being able to live 375 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: their most meaningful life their most highest performing life is 376 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: the ability to be in the asent moment. Most people 377 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: with an unconditioned mind, as soon as it gets hard, 378 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: they eject out and they start thinking about what could 379 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: go wrong. And that's because that's how our brain is 380 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: designed to protect us. What coaches talking about is a 381 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: frontloading of mental skills training so that you can live 382 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: in the present moment more often independent of the conditions. 383 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: And then secondly, if you can figure out a way. 384 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: And this is what coaches created around this culture to 385 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: help people love when it gets hard, because that's where 386 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: we figure out, you know, what are we really made up? 387 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: That's what an approach to challenge is really about. Do 388 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: we love challenge or were afraid of it? And his 389 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: team's love challenge? Alright, coach, I know you have a meeting. 390 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:41,959 Speaker 1: I know you need to run, so before you go, 391 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: I've I've long wanted to tell you this. I want 392 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: to apologize because, uh, in Pacific drop football. And I 393 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: think it was because I was scheduled to come on 394 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: a visit two weeks after that, and when they saw 395 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: what the future of the quarterback position look like a Pacific, 396 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: they said, we're done, They're out. They just apologize the 397 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: tigers all based on that. I can't believe that you 398 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: my program man break that. I can't wait after all 399 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: these years. I'm hard. It's hard for me to imagine 400 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: your talent was that obvious that it could destroy program. 401 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: But maybe it did. I don't know how it was. Hey, coach, 402 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: I know you gotta run. Thank you so much for 403 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: your time, Mike. It's been great visiting with you. Bucky 404 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: spoke so highly of you for years. It was great 405 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: to visit with you. We appreciate your time. And don't 406 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: forget everybody. You can find the Audible original. What a 407 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: cool concept here, Compete to create. All you gotta do 408 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: is go to the website audible dot com slash compete 409 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: to Create. You can pre order it now. It'll be 410 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: out July nine, and as you can tell by this conversation, 411 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: some fantastic stuff uh in there for you. So thank 412 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: you guys so much, and I look forward to catching 413 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: up with you down the road. Thank you as see it. 414 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: Good luck all right, bucket. We we teased it, we 415 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: sold it, and I think it lived up to the hype. There. Yeah, 416 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: that looked too great. Uh. People having a great conversation 417 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: and look going all do we back to you? UM? 418 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: When I just started coaching, I was like, not today. 419 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: It might have been two thousand and eight, two thousand nine. 420 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: I want to say. Pete Carroll wrote a book, Win Forever, 421 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: and in that book he kind of talked about all 422 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: the things that kind of led him to build his 423 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: philosophy and those things. And then to fast forward later 424 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: um to to meet Dr Gervais and those guys being 425 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: in lockstep with how they build a culture and a 426 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,479 Speaker 1: program and how they kind of get their players on 427 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: the same page when it comes to staying in the 428 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: moment and developing that competitive mindset. I just love all 429 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: the work that they do and to see the success 430 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: that they've had individually, collectively and then with the Seahawks, UM, 431 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: I think it just validates all of the stuff that 432 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: they've been talking about. And I think Michael Gerve is 433 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: a nice connection point to between Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson. 434 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: He does so much work with Russell and it's look, 435 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: it's well known that Pete and Russ have a very 436 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: close relationship, very tight relationship, and I think there's kind 437 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: of the third member to that to that relationship that 438 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: I don't think people realize from the outside that Michael 439 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: Gerves is kind of a nice connection point between those 440 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: you guys. Yeah, I think it is a nice connection point. 441 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: And I think, um, he has kind of helped Uh 442 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: Pete understand how to allow his team to kind of 443 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: be the true authentic sales individually while also building this 444 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: collection UH as a team. And I think that's something 445 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: that's very, very hard to do because we're used to 446 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: the old school mentality where everyone is expected to total 447 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: line the same way. But Seattle and Pete Carroll and 448 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: Dr Jervai, they have been able to create a culture 449 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: where you can be yourself within the framework of a 450 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: bigger thing, which is the team. Last takeaway from me 451 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: is just, um, I think the value in having somebody 452 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: that's coach at the collegiate level. Look, a lot of 453 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,239 Speaker 1: these coaches we have in the NFL that work up 454 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: to be head coaches. They start off as quality control 455 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: coaches in the NFL, then you know, grow to position coaches, coordinators, 456 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: and eventually become head coaches. Several of these guys have 457 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 1: never even coached in college. I think there's a tremendous 458 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: advantage if you spend time at the collegiate level as 459 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: a guy like Pete all did. Because the development you 460 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: have to do with those younger players, you know, eighteen 461 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: nineteen years old to be able to grow them as players. 462 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: What an asset when you get guys at the NFL level, 463 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: because I think some people assume that they're already developed. 464 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: That is not the case. Yeah, I think Pete Carroll 465 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: is a great example. I would say, uh, Jim Harbaugh 466 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: as well. I think the experience in the college game 467 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: forces you to have a little more adaptability and flexibility 468 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: in terms of how you develop players, what you see 469 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: and identifying players, the systems that you put in place. 470 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: I think Pete Carroll has been able to tap into 471 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: that old college mindset and do something that was kind 472 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: of unprecedented and the pros he basically ran a college 473 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: program at the NFL level when it comes to developing players, 474 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: turning out players, being able to have kind of a 475 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: ready reserve of players that are ready to jump in 476 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: in big moments to feel prominent roles. Their developmental program 477 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: has been second to none when it comes to their 478 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: late round draft picks, and the undrafted players did have 479 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: been able to really emerge star players after enter in 480 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: the league as afterthoughts their job, and he discussed it 481 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: was to get the most out of every single player 482 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: for as long as you have them, and then once 483 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: they leave, the new guy comes in and the new 484 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: challenge begins. How do we get them to their fullest potential. 485 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: I think having a guy like Michael Gerveia there to 486 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: help is is key. So I really enjoyed that conversation. 487 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: Hope you guys did as well. One other item I 488 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: want to hit on before we get out of here. 489 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 1: I thought it was funny we were texting back and 490 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: forth because I think it was just the last podcast 491 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: right where we were talking about practice squads and said, hey, 492 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: you know, they ought to make it twenty, like just 493 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: put twenty guys in the practice squad, not having to 494 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: bring guys in for workouts because that's gonna be kind 495 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: of a dicey um. And now the report comes out 496 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: I think it was Ian Rappaport and uh, was it 497 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: Garafolo or Paso came up. Yeah, yeah, they came out 498 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: and said sixteen is the number that's been thrown out. 499 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: So I think we're we're a little bit ahead of 500 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: the curve on that one. Maybe not the full twenty, 501 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: but I think sixteen is a good start. Yeah, sixteens 502 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: a great start. Here's what I want to see though. 503 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: I want to see because the way they have the 504 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: practice squad eligibility to have it broken down in like 505 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: four categories. You have the guys without in a cruise season. Uh, 506 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: you have guys who have um they've played in a 507 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: cruise season, but they don't have they haven't reached a 508 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: maximum number of games. And then you have guys who 509 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: have will they add a veteran exemption we talked about 510 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: like the third quarterback and maybe a defensive player. But 511 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: if you give me one more veteran exemption to go 512 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: with thirteen younger guys, I now think that I can 513 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: be creative and how I utilize that practice squad in 514 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: DJ if I am like, if I'm getting this information now, 515 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: it also changes the way that I stockpiled that practice 516 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: squad roster, the way that we practice in training camp, 517 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: the way that we put those guys. I'm gonna be 518 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: very careful with who I expose when it comes to 519 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: the guys that I also want to have on the 520 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: practice squad, because to be a practice squad member I 521 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: gotta cut you then resign you. Well, if that is 522 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: the case, I'm definitely not playing you. I'm definitely not 523 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: putting you out there for the public to see. I 524 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: kind of have a different way, a covert operation when 525 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: it comes to how I want to stockproble my practice squad. 526 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: I think it allows you to have differ players a 527 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: different phase of the development process. Think about the minor 528 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: leagues for baseball, you have Triple A, which leads right 529 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: into the major leagues. Those veteran guys are gonna be 530 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: kind of your Triple A players, like they're ready to 531 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: come in if they have to fill in for a 532 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, a guy goes down with COVID or injury, whatever, 533 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: they can be ready to go. You're gonna have some 534 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: Double A guys that you really like their talent, they're 535 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: not quite ready yet. But you're also gonna have some 536 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: rookie level players that you can afford to take on 537 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: a project. Maybe it's somebody international. You know that there 538 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: was a rugby player or whatever. You're gonna be able 539 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: to stash some more those types of players when you 540 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: have sixteen spots on the practice squad. I like that Annalyncey, 541 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: you've been talking to too many baseball guys. The fact 542 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: that you are able to take the practice squad and 543 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: make it like a MLB farm system, that is ingenious. 544 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: But I think I think you're onto something because us 545 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: if you talk about the tier system that you can 546 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: create the triple A, double A, single A. UM, I 547 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: think that's a great way to look at it. And 548 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: I do wonder how many of those double A triple 549 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: A players do you have and how many slots do 550 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: you a lot to those rooky leagues or their single 551 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: A players that you know, Hey, look, it may take 552 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: a year or two before they actually ready to get 553 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: in the game and be able to contribute. Yeah, but 554 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: it could be a worthwhile project. Um. All right, that's 555 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: gonna do it for us. Today again the TV show 556 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: every week. You can check that out Thursday, six pm Eastern. Uh. 557 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: Great show this week. I think you guys will enjoy. Hopefully, 558 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: Uh if this hasn't aired yet, if you're listening to 559 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: this right as this podcast comes out, hopefully get a 560 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: chance to test the show. If not, you can catch 561 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: us on there late later next week. Also have some 562 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: baseball shows coming up. You talked about baseball, spend a 563 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: time a lot of time talking to you know, general managers, coaches, players, 564 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: former players, analysts, uh, and did some fun crossover episodes. 565 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: We're gonna have two baseball episodes that just show you know, 566 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: team building and how it can connect from the baseball 567 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: to the football world. Bucky, I think people will get 568 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: a kick out of those. Yeah, I think they will 569 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: get a kick out of it. It's really exciting to 570 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: do the crossover stuff because I love picking up brains 571 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: of those who are building teams and other sports because 572 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: I think there's something to learn even though the sports 573 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: are different. So be on the lookout for those coming 574 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: out in the next couple of weeks. All right, that's 575 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: gonna do it for us today. I want to thank 576 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: you guys so much for checking us out, and we'll 577 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: catch you next time. Right here on, Move the sticks.