1 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Oh man, it's way up with Angela. You begetting it 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: started already. Jasmine Brand is here with me and Heapmakers. 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 2: In the building. 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're back. We're back. 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: I feel like every time there's a new announcement. All right, 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: So we got to talk about some things. So Empire, 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: are you still VP of A and R at Empire? 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 3: I've recently just on part of ways with Empire? 9 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: Okay, all right? And was this to start your own label? 10 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. It wasn't like we had any bad 11 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 3: blood or anything going on. I worked for Empire for 12 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 3: three years, so my contract was in the so instead 13 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 3: of like reing up, I just decided to step out 14 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 3: and do my own joint venture for my artists and 15 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 3: kind of like create my own Empire, no pun intended 16 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 3: for real. 17 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, that felt like a jab you guys. 18 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: All right, So let's go through the hip maker executive right, 19 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: jobs that you've had so far in this business. 20 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 3: So I did four years like sounds like the Atlantic Record. 21 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 3: Shout out to Line Ray, Craig, Julie Kaiser, everybody that's 22 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 3: over there. And then I did a three years with Empire. 23 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 3: Shot to Tina Davis. Guys, Enima everybody there. 24 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: So you learned a lot from those experiences to be 25 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: like it's time. 26 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was able to work like kind of like 27 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 3: from the inside out, to see like both sides of 28 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 3: the fence. So because I'm still was a creative, I 29 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 3: still was an artist. I still was dropping records like 30 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 3: off my produced album and making records for all the 31 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 3: artists on the label. But I also got to learn 32 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 3: like a lot of jewels from Kaiser, Craig, Julie and 33 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: just people like that to see what it was like, 34 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 3: how when you deliver a record, how to really take 35 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: it all the way there and make it to where 36 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 3: you want it to be. Instead of just being a 37 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: producer and not knowing the label situation and like man, 38 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: why my record didn't work, but why didn't this connect 39 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 3: or whatever? I got to learn all the steps in 40 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: the situation. 41 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 4: So was there ever a conflicate interest of. 42 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 3: You being a I'm sure it probably was at all 43 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 3: time time behind your back. I mean, but I ain't 44 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 3: gonna lie. When you hot, though, and you got that 45 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: heat and you got hit records, you can't stop that. 46 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 3: The music but it is based off hit records. I 47 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 3: think that was a reason why me and Atlantic kind 48 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: of party. It wasn't a conflict of interest, but man, like, 49 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 3: they didn't offer me a label deal. La Reid had 50 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 3: hit when he came and offered me a label deal. 51 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 3: He just like, yo, I love you, I love what 52 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 3: you got going on. I went back to Craig and 53 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: Julie like, yo, LA read off me two million dollars. 54 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 3: Let me get this two million from my pocket, like, 55 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 3: don't stand in the way it is. They gave me 56 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: a label deal instead of they're like, yo, you can't 57 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: do the deal with La, We'll give you a label deal. 58 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 3: They gave me the deal and I'll never forget this shit. 59 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 3: I excuse me, damn, I said, akay, I'll never forget this. 60 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: But I was inside the A and R meeting and 61 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 3: Yko Cyrus was coming in and DJ Drama brought him 62 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 3: in and they were like, yo, he showcased, and they 63 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 3: was like how much to get this deal done? And 64 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 3: Dramas like, yo, I think it's like seven million. And 65 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 3: then I was like yeah, like I say what they 66 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 3: gave me, but it wasn't seven So I was like, yo, 67 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 3: what's going on? So that was kind of like a 68 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: conflict of interest. So that's how we kind of parted 69 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 3: ways on that. 70 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 2: Sometimes. 71 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: Also, you like devalue yourself in situations if you don't know, 72 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: and then you already done put a number out there, 73 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: and when people agree it's something too fast, he'd be like, 74 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: damn higher. 75 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: And then you got to think, I had so many 76 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: number one records with Atlanta, whether it was a boogie, 77 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 3: look back at it, meet Meal, dangerous. This is in 78 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 3: a mist of all these songs going on. So I'm like, yo, 79 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 3: I got these hits going at the same time, and 80 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: y'all they low balled me. 81 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: Y're playing with me. 82 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's a lesson learned. 83 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, because at the end of the day, man, 84 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 3: the more information you got, the better off you can 85 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: be in this business for real. 86 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: And the truth is that if you sign it down 87 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: and then find out it's to bad deal, all you 88 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: can do is wait it out. 89 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 3: Yo, I ain't gonna lie. I was really being like 90 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 3: a crazy dude. I'm like, I'm giving them all the 91 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: money back. I don't care. My mentors are like, bro, 92 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 3: you don't get no money back in the music industry, Like, yo, 93 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 3: just figure it out. And then after that they kind 94 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 3: of like said, Yo, it's this amount of money and 95 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: you could leave and we'll be good with it. And 96 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 3: Ghazi came in and was like, Yo, that's the number. 97 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: He's like, all right, bet let's do it. He ended 98 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 3: up buying me out. My deal with Atlantic Records shot 99 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: out to GAYSI and then from there our first records 100 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: was Baddest by Chris Brown and Two Chains and the 101 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: Young Blue Excuse Me. And the second one was Peru 102 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 3: by Ed Sharon and fib Boy. 103 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: Oh those are some huge records. 104 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: So I think he got it back. 105 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe. 106 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 4: So he made duds still at all? Do you ever 107 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 4: make it done? 108 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a dud, But sometimes they 109 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: don't connect. They don't connect sometimes. But I've just been 110 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: having like a lot of success at radio for like 111 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 3: a long time right now. That's just my niche like 112 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 3: that's where I met. Certain people make underground hit, certain 113 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 3: people make country music. I just make mainstream rhythmic or 114 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: urban music for black people. 115 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 2: For you might be making country music soon beyond. 116 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 4: You'll figure it out. 117 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 3: I'll make it happen. I'd be an afro beef, I 118 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 3: mean country. 119 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, So when you hear 120 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: all right, let's say you hear Beyonce, right, does that 121 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: feel inspirational to you? 122 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 2: Like what inspires you. 123 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 3: Me right now is just new talent, Like I always 124 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 3: want to work with the new, like Beyonce, Like I 125 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 3: love Beyonce. She's gonna have a hit regardless whether I 126 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 3: contribute or not. But I want to open the door 127 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 3: for the new, like right now with my guy Ronnie 128 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 3: who signed to me and my new joint venture in Toyenne, 129 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: I think there's a void for young, cool, R and 130 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 3: B guys right now. Like if you look at it, 131 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,559 Speaker 3: because I work with everybody, it's pretty much like CB 132 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: is at the top, Jeremiah Chris Brown, I mean Jeremiah 133 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 3: tie dollar sign again. Yeah, but where does it go 134 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 3: after that? Where does it go after that? If we 135 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 3: need like a new fresh face, I know, I think 136 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 3: it's avoiding that. So I want to empower the next 137 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: people for real. 138 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: So since we brought up like some of the big 139 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: stars the other day we were talking about this, Tiffany 140 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: Red did this whole thing where she was talking about 141 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: getting like publishing stolen from bigger artists. I want you 142 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: to give us some insight onto how something like that happens, 143 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: because I know there's times that as a producer or 144 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: as a writer, you might want to work with a 145 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: huge artist when you're not so big, and you give 146 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: up a lot in order to be able to get 147 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 1: your credits up. But as an insider in the business, 148 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: can you give shed some light on what she was 149 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: talking about and give us, like your take on that 150 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: that happened. 151 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 3: To me one time, just being transparent. I was working 152 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 3: under DJ Mustard at some point in my career, early 153 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 3: in my career, and I did a record and I 154 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 3: gave it to Mustard, and me and Mustard end up 155 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 3: not working with each other anymore, but he went and 156 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: reproduced a record and it was a sample, so it's 157 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 3: able for him to take my idea and hook and 158 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 3: kind of like sell it to Meek Meal which turned 159 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 3: into whatever you Need feature and Chris Brown to dollars. 160 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 3: But I didn't have no leverage at the time, and 161 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 3: I'm assuming that Tiffany probably felt like she didn't have 162 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: leverage in those situations. But I continue to work hard 163 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 3: and I'll never forget it. Like we had the ass 164 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: Cap Awards and like I win for Meek Meal Dangerous 165 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 3: with me and they like me, come back up here again. 166 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: Whatever you need, we gotta give you this one. I'm like, 167 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 3: but at that point I had the leverage, so I 168 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 3: just called rock Nation, like, yo, can I get my publishing? 169 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 3: Can I get this out? Of all we end up 170 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 3: working it out, But that's unfortunate for Tiffany. I think 171 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 3: that anybody that really wants to be in this business, 172 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 3: like like we said, the information, you might as well 173 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 3: learn and study up and probably gets a great lawyer. 174 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 3: It's the key to everything that's going on for those 175 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 3: cost though, right, good lawyers not not really, they just 176 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 3: it's a retainer. It's not hourly. It's not like you 177 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 3: fight the case or nothing like that. It's like, Yo, 178 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 3: they on a five percent retainer, they get five percent 179 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: or whatever you do. 180 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: But sometimes people want money, especially when you don't have 181 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: a proven record. 182 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, people don't know you like that. 183 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 3: You can't get burnt coming into this game. Yeah, it's 184 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: the nature of the business for real. Yeah, But I 185 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: mean you survived to write another song the next day, 186 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 3: and hopefully after you get burnt, you know, like, nah, 187 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: I ain't doing that. 188 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: Again for real, and then you end up burning other people. 189 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: Nah, that sounds crazy. 190 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 4: I don't worry. 191 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: I know that's what you're hear. 192 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: No, but all right, so let's talk about this now. 193 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: Moving on, we are going to get back to make 194 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: a sound record, because I know that's your baby right 195 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: now and that's what you care. 196 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: A lot about. 197 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: But we also watched very publicly you and Tink go 198 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: through it but also come back together, which we love. 199 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: I was excited for a Chicago love story at first. 200 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. 201 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 3: And you have been with us behind the scenes too, 202 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 3: and you know what I'm saying, Like I love teeing. 203 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 3: Everybody know that or whatever. But I think that we 204 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 3: go through trials and triviulations and we're growing up like, 205 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: and we're all in front of the public like, and 206 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 3: it just comes with it. But at the same token, man, 207 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: we got a new album on the way, Winner's Diary five, 208 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 3: which is like her Coke classic for all her fans. 209 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: The albums don I executive produced it as well, and 210 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 3: I think. 211 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: It's still working together. That's important. 212 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's gonna be the biggest album of 213 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 3: her career. Like, we got so many crazy features and 214 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 3: so many great records on this one. 215 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: So did she write some stuff about you. 216 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 3: On there, yet she not. She writes songs about me 217 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 3: in every every album. That's why I'm just like, yo, 218 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 3: Like people be like, do you be listening to that? 219 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 3: I'm like, Yo, you know I got to mix and 220 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 3: master all these records. Yo, where she's going bad? 221 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 4: Do you as she ever sang or saying something on 222 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 4: the record, you like really. 223 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 3: Yeah all the time. But you know it's like, this 224 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 3: is art, this is music, Like we got together based 225 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 3: off just making great music. And that's what her fans 226 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: want from her, and that's her real truth. So she 227 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 3: might like she I ain't gonna lie. She hit me 228 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 3: and she's like we should do a record called can 229 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: Coon and just talking about I'm like absolutely, that's yeah, 230 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 3: that's where I crossed to learn. 231 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: I would want to hear it, like yo, play that 232 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: because you don't mind being on the blocks. 233 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 3: You know, I don't it, Yeah, But I just want 234 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 3: her image and like a little she's not really like 235 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 3: a super in the blogs type. Girl is more about 236 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 3: the music. So I don't want my influence to be 237 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 3: a bad influence. But I don't know. Sometimes it's like 238 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 3: if you not in the blogs, then people don't care 239 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 3: about for real, for real, Like it's people less talented 240 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 3: than her that are in the blogs twenty four seven exactly. 241 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: You know, did you really try to charge your two 242 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: million dollars some music? 243 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 2: I was disappointed. I was like, come on now, sir, what. 244 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 4: Was the amount. 245 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna get something. 246 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: Mount Look, haven't pay you for a whole label. 247 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 3: No, the reality of a whole situation is that we 248 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 3: did a deal and I actually we're partners, you know 249 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. But you know, when personal things come 250 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: into the play, it kind of got a little bit crazy. 251 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: So we stopped speaking at that time, you know what 252 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 3: I'm saying. And then when she saw me in Can't 253 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 3: coun that was her first time seeing me in like 254 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: four or five months. We didn't speak, we didn't do nothing. 255 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 3: It was just a coincidental. I swear to God, can't 256 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 3: make this up. We were at the same place. 257 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: Same time world by the way, So that was her 258 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: Na did your heart stop? 259 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 3: Like it was crazy because like we weren't talking, we 260 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 3: weren't like and I was with women. It was just 261 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 3: me by myself with girls or whatever. So I tried 262 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 3: to be as respectful as possible. I told the girls 263 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 3: let's wrap this food up, let's get up out of here. 264 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Let's go about our own ways. 265 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: But you know, it ended up hitting the ceiling, you know, 266 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 3: in that situation. And she's still a girl from Chicago, 267 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 3: so I can't take that. Yeah, So I mean she 268 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 3: reminded me too, So at that point, I just you know, 269 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 3: try to you know, let cooler heads prevail, and we 270 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: were able to come back to the table and as 271 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 3: far as the business anything that was going on, we 272 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 3: ended up making that right and like we're good and 273 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 3: we got a new album on the way. 274 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: It feels like you do really well when it comes 275 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: to handling your business. When are you going to transport 276 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: that into your personal life? 277 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 3: Yo, I'm a work in progress, and you know what 278 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 3: I'm saying, I'm growing. I'm growing every day and Press 279 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: the therapist said that I'm doing better, and you know, 280 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 3: I'm going to therapy now, so I'm trying to take 281 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 3: it there. You know, I'm trying to be a better 282 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 3: man and as well as the great, the best business 283 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 3: man as possible. You know. I think that being where 284 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 3: I am and where I came from, I put a 285 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: lot of focus into the business and didn't really consider 286 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 3: how I was as a person. So I'm working on 287 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 3: myself daily for real. 288 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 289 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: How long have you been going to therapy? 290 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 3: Probably like the last like eight nine months. 291 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: Oh that's good. 292 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: So do you feel like things have changed for you 293 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: as far as your perspective. 294 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm way more laid back, Like I'm not as 295 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 3: crazy as I used to be or whatever, because I 296 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 3: think that when you go through trials and tribulations and trauma, 297 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 3: you end up having a chip on your shoulder. So 298 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 3: a lot of your reactions are based about your past trauma. 299 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 3: But for me, like to step back and look at 300 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 3: myself from where I was to where I am now, 301 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 3: when the growth and the success I have, it's no 302 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 3: reason for me to have any chip on my shoulder. 303 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 3: I just got to leave with love at all times. 304 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been extremely blessed, but you've had so many 305 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: traumatic situations, even breaking into your home. 306 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was correct. 307 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: I mean that's something that I feel like I don't 308 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: that has to be like flashbacks at times. 309 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 3: That was crazy. It was hard to really even entertain 310 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: women after that or whatever, because it was it was 311 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 3: really like a girlfriend thing or nothing like that. It 312 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 3: was a very random occasion, but I was one of 313 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 3: the guys that was plotted on Rest in Peace to 314 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: pop Smoke. It was like a lot of different things 315 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 3: happening weird in LA. About that time, I just bought 316 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: my house in LA and then when that happened, I 317 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 3: had to sell my house through a whole bunch of stuff. 318 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,599 Speaker 3: So it's a traumatic crash, yeah. 319 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: To have to go through. 320 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: What advice would you give to other people now about 321 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: like dating within the industry or dating other artists and 322 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: for yourself, is that something that you feel like, maybe 323 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: I shouldn't do that with somebody I'm working with, or 324 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. 325 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 3: See what happened with a lot of situations with me 326 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 3: is probably it really was organic, But I wouldn't I 327 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know. It's to each and on 328 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 3: It's hard to say because on one side, it's like, Yo, 329 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: if you dating a girl in the industry, she knows 330 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 3: what you go through. She's understandable about all the shit 331 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 3: you going through. If you're dating a girl that's not 332 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 3: in the industry, then it's like a whole different level 333 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 3: of bs that goes on that she might not understand. 334 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 3: So and she might. It's kind of weird because if 335 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 3: you dating a girl the industry, she might got a 336 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: couple of dollars too. If you're dating a girl not 337 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 3: in the industry, she might not have a couple of dollars, 338 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 3: she might not be as well off. And then you 339 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: might start thinking as a man, like, does this girl 340 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 3: really like me for me? Or does this girl like 341 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: me because of the parks and the elevated level that 342 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 3: she ended up meeting me on. So it's weird. 343 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 2: Have you ever dated somebody who made more than you? 344 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 3: No? 345 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: Never, You've never been a sugar baby stop. 346 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 3: I would love to experience that one time, you know 347 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like, yeah, for real, Like Chris Jena, 348 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 3: what's up man, holler at me? 349 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: I would hate to see that. 350 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think it'll be lit all right. 351 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: And then, so so far this year twenty twenty four, 352 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: you've already had a ton of hits out. So let's 353 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: talk about for everybody listening the songs with the hitmaker 354 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: stamp on it. 355 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 3: We probably got like seven songs on radio right now. 356 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 3: I mean I got a song in every genre of 357 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 3: radio right now. We're celebrating my partner, Prince Krishawan. He 358 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 3: got four records on a Kanye new album that's the 359 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 3: number one album in. 360 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 2: The country right now, Ain't dollar Sign? 361 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to Tie dollar Sign. You know that's 362 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 3: been my serial collaborating my brother forever. But as far 363 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 3: as it hits that out now, I think, but shout 364 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 3: out to when I will talk about two Change litl 365 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 3: Wayne Transparency feature on Usher. It's been a big conversation. 366 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 3: They all on the internet talking about Chris Brown versus 367 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: and trying to throw me in a mix. But I 368 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 3: work with all those different people, So Chris, two Chains, 369 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 3: t Grizzly, Jennifer low Pez featuring Loto Neo featuring Fabulous. 370 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 3: It's a lot of records, like seven eight records going 371 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 3: at once. 372 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: That has to be like because I don't know too 373 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: many people that have that type of track record and consistency. 374 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 3: You know, have a life and all I do is 375 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: go to the studio. Really six days a week. I'm 376 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 3: in the studio every day. 377 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: Some commitment right there. I feel like I would run 378 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: out of ideas and like, yeah, you know, that's a lot. 379 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 4: How do you keep coming up with? 380 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 3: See, I work with a lot of great I collaborate, 381 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: you know, So when my mood changes and I feel 382 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 3: like yo, I want to take it there, or I 383 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 3: want to make a rap song, or I want to 384 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: make a R and B song, I want to make 385 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 3: a slow ballot. It's just different people that I work 386 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 3: with that always keep me uplifted and creative. So it's 387 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 3: not like all on me. I think a lot of 388 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 3: producers prior to us weren't really into collaborating, so they 389 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: kind of burnt out their own sound because they didn't 390 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 3: collaborate with the new And I'm always good with collaboration. 391 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk about the new label, make 392 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: A Sound Records. So tell us about when this was conceived, 393 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: when you knew you were going to start this, and 394 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: then the steps you took to make it happen. 395 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 3: So I mean me and my partner Krishan, we're making sound. 396 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 3: His company was right Now Sound, and I'm hit maker. 397 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 3: So Krishan came together and said, you know what, make 398 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 3: it sound like it got a nice ring to it, 399 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 3: Let's do that. So we came together like probably in 400 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 3: two thousand and sixteen, and we've been on a string 401 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 3: of hits, like our first song in Me and Krishan 402 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 3: ever did was Chris Brown Party Feature and Gucci Man 403 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: and Usher, and that was the first hit we did 404 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 3: together and we just been running ever since. So now 405 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 3: we did a joint venture with APG and Wanna Chapel 406 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 3: that was for our publishing division. Now we have a 407 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 3: new joint venture for now all of our artists. So 408 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 3: this year is like the year for me to really 409 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: go home and break an artist and break something off, 410 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 3: make a sound, because we broke a lot of different 411 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: artists on other labels. 412 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: And I saw you put out you know that you 413 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: were looking for a producer. Yeah, always okay, So did 414 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: you find anybody when you do stuff like that? 415 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. And that email is so flooded. 416 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 3: I want to if anybody that's listening right now, look 417 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 3: seeing your best. Don't send no bs man sing because 418 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 3: it can get tiring because I'm actually trying to listen 419 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 3: to the beats myself. A lot of people, I'm really 420 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 3: hands on with everything I do, so a lot of 421 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 3: people will be like give it to an intern and 422 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 3: give it to somebody else, like flush through this email. 423 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 3: I'm actually listening to it and kind of get burnt out. 424 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 3: After a while, But I think I found too that 425 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 3: I'm really exciting about it. 426 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: That's exciting too, because I know when you put that out, 427 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: everybody probably was. 428 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to a YB, shout to Zel two trill. 429 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 3: They just Zel did the Bigfoot record and then YB 430 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: just did the Young Miami record with fifty to fifty. 431 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 3: That just dropped right recently. 432 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: Oh know, that's so dope that you've been. Honestly, I've 433 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: been knowing him for so long, so. 434 00:16:58,520 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: I don't see all kinds. 435 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 3: Of things be almost like twenty years in. 436 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of your issues always them 437 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: from women though. That's why I'm glad you're. 438 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 2: In therapy and she bring them up every time you 439 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: do it. 440 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm just saying a lot of your issues, yeah. 441 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 4: You've seen the growth. 442 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 2: To women. 443 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 3: I feel like, are you why would not be? 444 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: But it's a difference between like also because I haven't 445 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: never really seen you be monogamous either, Like. 446 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: Have you ever been? 447 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 3: Probably not. I don't think that. I don't know. I'm 448 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 3: not sure, man. I don't think that I work too 449 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 3: hard to be like one hundred percent faithful. 450 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: I feel like it would maybe What does that mean 451 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: that faithful to the studio. 452 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Like, how can I really like give myself 453 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 3: to a woman fully while I'm in a studio working 454 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 3: twenty four seven? 455 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: I think it would support what you have going on 456 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: because it wouldn't be so much drama. 457 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 3: Okay, so say let's this year, I'm settling down. Yeah 458 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 3: for real woman. 459 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: Man, But that's the right person. 460 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 4: Doesn't drama or these different situations to inspire to inspire? 461 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 4: You inspire different? 462 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 3: It's a toxic girl. Yeah. I think that when you 463 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 3: go through different things, it kind of bleeds into your 464 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 3: music when you're feeling a certain way. But if I could, yo, 465 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 3: that's what the people want right now? 466 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: When what you want? 467 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 3: I want peace? I want peace. So when the music 468 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 3: business changes and everybody's singing we are the world, we 469 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 3: are the children, I will make them songs and I'll 470 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 3: settle down. But right now, why some are walking tink 471 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 3: throwing me in under the bus, and I gotta make 472 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 3: them songs too. I gotta make the songs for the women. 473 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 3: I gotta be involved with all these different records. And 474 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, fellas, I'm the guy behind these songs too. 475 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: Paulse I think that you're scared if I had to 476 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: analyze it, just you know, from my point. 477 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 4: Of view, you've known them for so long. 478 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 2: No, I just think that you're scared to like give 479 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 2: something your all. 480 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 3: You know. 481 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: Sometimes that's a protective thing too, when you're doing things 482 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: and you don't want to be tied into something in 483 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: case they do something to you, so that you feel like, well, 484 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: I wasn't really right. 485 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 3: I probably just need new friends and new peers because 486 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,479 Speaker 3: I'm not around a lot of successful relationships. You know, 487 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 3: like when you around people that are in our culture, 488 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 3: I might just need to go hang out with some 489 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 3: old white people or something like that. 490 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 2: For a little bit, because they're just as bad. 491 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 4: Worse, you don't have any married friends. 492 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 3: No, I would love well Nori shout out to Norri, 493 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 3: he's married. 494 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: He was buying Louis Baton headphones when I just looked 495 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 2: at you, like you. 496 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 3: The first rapper I have Louis headphone. I'm like, no, 497 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 3: they've been out for a little bit. We were like, 498 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 3: but it's okay, probably trolling, you know. 499 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 2: Would you start a podcast? 500 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 3: Would love to. 501 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: I feel like that could be really entertaining, especially with 502 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: the you know, with the label maybe some type of 503 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: limited edition. 504 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna get in trouble though I want 505 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 3: to I'm gonna say something that's so crazy that's gonna 506 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 3: So I would prefer like, let's let's break Ron and 507 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 3: Toy and let's get them off and then podcasts maybe 508 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five with my. 509 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: Art document that whole process though, because sometimes you know, 510 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: when artists are freshly signed get and breaking in, they 511 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: wish they would have had that footage from when they 512 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: first got started to see. 513 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 2: On the pros. 514 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 3: Don't try and get no publishing after you see this 515 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 3: documentary come out of these artists. 516 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 2: That's right on. 517 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, we got on record. 518 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 2: I said, you know, I don't mind. 519 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: I love coming up with ideas. I appreciate that, you know, 520 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: for things to do. Now, what about investments that you 521 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: have personally outside of this business because you are such 522 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: a studio rat, like you said, like all the time, 523 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: that is your bread and butter, and clearly. 524 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: It's making you money. 525 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: Everybody it doesn't, right, but for you with all the 526 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: money that you're making, what are you. 527 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 2: Doing with that? 528 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 3: To be honest? Like before like I came in, my 529 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 3: parents were they kind of like open the door, like 530 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 3: they were very successful as me being a child. So like, 531 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 3: as far as real estate in Chicago goes, I probably 532 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 3: own probably like thirty or forty buildings. With my father, 533 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 3: we have a whole real estate company. So I don't 534 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 3: even make a majority of my I make more money 535 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 3: out of ancillary things than that my actual you know 536 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. First thing, But I actually did recently 537 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: last year sell a piece of my catalog too, So 538 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 3: that was like, so you. 539 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: Did, and I want you to explain that to because 540 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: some people feel like, oh, don't sell your catalog, don't 541 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: sell your publishing, but we see a lot of huge 542 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: artists doing that right now. 543 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: So what was behind your to me? 544 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 3: If you if you if you have a vision for 545 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 3: longevity and you think you're gonna be around for a 546 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 3: long time, and I think you should always make a catalog. 547 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 3: I treat a catalog like a business you created, created, 548 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 3: created to sell it, to do it all over again. 549 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 3: So I sold a portion of that catalog. But as 550 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 3: we see, I'm already creating a whole new catalog right 551 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 3: now that's untouched, that can be sold again or given 552 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 3: to my kids whenever I decide to have some. So 553 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 3: I think it's a it's smart. Okay, say that. 554 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 2: Baby hit make baby makeup. 555 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 3: Hey, y'all, I think it's gonna it's gonna happen. 556 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 4: Man, coming soon. 557 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 3: It should. It's time I got. I'm at a point 558 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 3: to where I feel like I could have a kid. 559 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 3: Maybe a couple of years ago, I've been like. 560 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: Hell, nobody ever tried to come to you, like, by 561 00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: the way, this your kid. 562 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 3: Nah, Because like I got a mean pull out game. 563 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 3: I'm gonna put a. 564 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: Condoment everybody, every guy, I gotta mean pull out every 565 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: guy that says that is a dad, but I'm not. 566 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 4: I'm everybody said it is a dad. 567 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: And by the way, there's other things that could happen, 568 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: okay without Besides it's pulling out. 569 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: You gotta be careful and protect yourself too. 570 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's essential. We learned that in high 571 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 3: school of grammar school or whatever. Like, I mean, you know, 572 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 3: gotta moved correctly. It's some good box out here, it's 573 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 3: a bad box, So roll the dice correctly. My brothers mm. 574 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: Hmmm, and guys always think they got good stuff too. 575 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: But so I also saw you on the Butler Alert podcast. 576 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: What why you do that? Shout out to my people's butler, 577 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 2: alert that name. 578 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 3: No, it's just like, what's what's next. I don't know 579 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 3: what you're about to say? 580 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: Go ahead, because I saw you said you had five 581 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: different women tattooed on you still to this day. 582 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 2: Okay, now no six six? Oh so somebody got added 583 00:22:59,240 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: or you forgot one. 584 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 3: I forgot one. 585 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: Okay. 586 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: Now let's just say you start seriously being with somebody 587 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: and they were like, you gotta cove these up. 588 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 2: No, it was fast. 589 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 3: Why would I do that? 590 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 4: Maybe they don't want to see I want another woman's 591 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 4: name on you. 592 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: I don't want to look at your chest and. 593 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 3: Seeing I mean, you gotta take me as I am 594 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 3: you got. If you want me, you gotta embrace whatever she. 595 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 4: Has hurt her excess tatted on her. She got right here. Yeah, 596 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 4: life from the back and now somewhere like you know, intimate. 597 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 3: I'm not really an insecure man like that. You know, 598 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 3: if it was something that you was tatted on, you 599 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 3: like to me, I feel like all my tattoos is 600 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 3: like a moment in time to where I was. I'm 601 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 3: not I'm not like mad at these people. I'm not mad. 602 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 3: It wasn't a bad falling out with these women. It's 603 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 3: just like a time stamp in my life. So if 604 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 3: you got a problem with that, then we're gonna have 605 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 3: big problems. Because the tattoo is the last thing, you 606 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. 607 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: When she used to date Chris Brown and it was 608 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 1: his face right here and every time. 609 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 3: Now you're doing a lot. Yeah, bro, No, I don't 610 00:23:59,200 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 3: want to see my dog. 611 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: You know. Now you got to cover that, and you 612 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 2: don't have to cover that. 613 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 3: But a lot of my tattoos and the names they 614 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 3: real discreet. So unless I really tell you, like right here, 615 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, it's not like I 616 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 3: got Stephanie rid across my chest, so I got some 617 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 3: name on my forehead, ain't it's like very discreet? 618 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 4: Do you have Tink on you? 619 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 3: No? 620 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 2: You guys still work together, so that could happen. 621 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,479 Speaker 3: Yeah for sure, And I wouldn't put Tink. I'll put 622 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 3: Trinity if I was going to do. Yeah for sure. 623 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: Now, you said you and your father on these buildings 624 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: in Chicago together when you were first coming up in 625 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: this music business. Did they think it was viable for 626 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: you to be able to make money from it? 627 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 3: Because it wasn't really a realistic thing. I'm from Chicago, 628 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 3: so like a lot of the things that was happening 629 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 3: was like crucial conflict do with Die Twister, but that 630 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 3: was all on the West Side. I'm from the South Side, 631 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 3: like so Kanye was coming up, but it was no 632 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 3: really example of like, yo, you can get a record deal, 633 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 3: you can make money, you could have a successful career 634 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 3: for anybody to see that. And my parents weren't going 635 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 3: for that. Shit. 636 00:24:58,520 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 2: What did they want you to do? 637 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 3: Probably run a family business or go to school. But 638 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 3: I was just bad. I dropped out of school in 639 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 3: like ninth grade. 640 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 1: I remember because you we was on the team labels 641 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: at LP Bogus Boys. 642 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, we started like that and we were working. We 643 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 3: had like a label, we had we had deals for everybody. 644 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 3: Everybody wanted to sign me DMX jay Z and I 645 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 3: ended up going with DMX, but at the same token, 646 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 3: like my parents, man, they just didn't understand, like Will 647 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 3: Smith said, But and they end up sip shipping me 648 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 3: to boot Camp, to Thompson Falls, Montanna. I got kidnapped 649 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 3: and all types of shit. 650 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: But they got to be really proud to see where 651 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: you've come, you know, thus far. So I just want 652 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 1: to thank you for always taking the time to come 653 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: through and see us. We're going to see you in 654 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: Miami for the Winding the Zobe Winding. 655 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 2: Food Festival Saturday, all right now. 656 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: And for all the women out there, by the way, 657 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: what would you say are the things that you're looking 658 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: for if you were ready to settle down? 659 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 2: Let's just say. 660 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 3: Accountability. I don't think that women take accountabi. 661 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 2: They're not account really, Like what do you mean by that? 662 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 3: I think that a woman, a woman can go do 663 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 3: anything to you, the craziest thing, and then blame it 664 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 3: on what moment she was having or whatever. But the 665 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 3: man can't do that. So if like, if a girl 666 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 3: curses me out or gets on the internet and says 667 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 3: something crazy about me, it's like I was vulnerable, I 668 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 3: was going through something, I was emotional. But if we 669 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 3: flip that and I'm on the internet talking about a girl, 670 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 3: then I'm sad. See I'm dead something that you know 671 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So I just want people to be 672 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 3: accountable for their actions, you know, And I'm always stand 673 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 3: on mine. And just honesty that's what for real. 674 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 2: Just accountability and honesty. That's all you care about looks. 675 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 3: Don't trying to just be asty in the bedroom. 676 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 2: All that you do like your ass like you do too. 677 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 2: You've said that, no zone. 678 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: Actually I didn't write it on social media, you did, 679 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: all right. 680 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 3: I've never asked for that either. Like I think that's trendy. 681 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 3: I think that girls think that that's like in and 682 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 3: they want to do that. I've never been a person like, hey, yo, like, 683 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 3: can you lick my ass like that? 684 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: Maybe you probably too a little bit. 685 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 3: It's more like a scooch. They squeoting no, no, they 686 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 3: scooting under there, they trying to get under them and 687 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 3: then they get to whatever the hell, no blackmail you got. 688 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 3: You gotta keep the receipts, all right. 689 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: Well, anyway, thank you again. Make a Sound Records. So 690 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: when when can we expect Monie and Pat. 691 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 3: You can expect that early on late spring, early summer. 692 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: I'm also dropping my producer album. It's some of my 693 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 3: first single off my producer album is called Pray for 694 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 3: Me featuring Chris Brown and Gucci Main So be on 695 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 3: the lookout for that man. Videos. Everything coming soon, and 696 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 3: I'm about to just let let all my artists go 697 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 3: at the same time as well with my with my singles, 698 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 3: so we can go and we can touch the town 699 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 3: and summertime and turn things up. 700 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: Okay, sounds like a good time to me, yes, sir, 701 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: all right, well, thank you so much, hip maker. 702 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 2: It's way up.