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Speaker 2: And we are Gondway. Welcome into the Action Network Podcast.

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Speaker 2: We are presented by Fandel. We are back for our

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Speaker 2: second twenty twenty three NFL Draft betting update. Yours truly

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Speaker 2: Brendan glas Sheen with Luke Swayne and Travis Reid. We're

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Speaker 2: taking you up until Draft Week five weeks away, scheduled

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Speaker 2: for Thursday, April twenty seventh, and it's being held in

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Speaker 2: Kansas City this year, So Travis and Lucal join every week.

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Speaker 2: If you missed the first one, I suggest you go

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Speaker 2: check it out the pilot episode, really good stuff. A

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Speaker 2: lot's changed since then, but we look forward to having more.

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Speaker 2: Let's lead off today's discussion because when we did not

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Speaker 2: do an episode last week, the Bears and Panthers got

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Speaker 2: top ten pick also going to the Bears twenty twenty four, first,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Second, that's not related to what we

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Speaker 2: need to discuss the Carolina Panthers with the number one

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Speaker 2: pick in the draft. Luke swayin your initial knee jerk reaction.

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Speaker 1: When you saw the deal, So you see the deal,

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Speaker 1: like I think that everyone's initial reaction was if it

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Speaker 1: Had a lot to talk about because of his size,

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Speaker 1: Stroud has kind of just been there been the elite

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Speaker 1: the odds completely flipped. Stroud got all the way up

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Speaker 1: Everyone freaks out, they bet Stroud. It balloons up to

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Speaker 2: in time what you initially thought when Caroline had traded

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Speaker 3: We always thought it was going to get traded as

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Speaker 1: because chaos is good again, like I've said before, it

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Speaker 2: It suits us well for this kind of thing. It creates.

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Speaker 1: Chaos creates a market to bet into for the Without chaos,

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Speaker 1: if we so the chaos creates opportunity that we can leverage.

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Speaker 1: Without the chaos, like there'd be nothing to bet or

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Speaker 2: Well, we've immediately learned a lesson too from our first

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Speaker 2: As Luke said, all the money comes in on Stroud,

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Speaker 2: the lines change and what do you know. You look

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Speaker 2: Bryce Young plus one fifty c J. Stroud minus one

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Speaker 1: it's it's a very similar year in terms of there

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Speaker 2: And reading the tea leaves. Travis dropped this an hour

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Speaker 2: Ohio State Pro Day. A lot of Panthers representation. So Travis,

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Speaker 1: But I don't think they're going to trade fore Okay.

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Speaker 2: it's a whole party going to Ohio State Pro Day

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Speaker 1: Towards Droud Bama's tomorrow. I think, so yeah, I should

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Speaker 2: And I mean, and for what it's worth, it's a

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Speaker 2: So we'll get I want to get back to the

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Speaker 2: veteran players. But let's discuss other spots in this top

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Speaker 2: ten top five. There's been chatter about the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: Will they stay at number three or will they trade down?

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Speaker 2: And are the potential partners mel Kuiper has the Colts.

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Speaker 2: Kuiper's latest monk has the Colts moving up to take

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Speaker 2: Will Levis at three, and that would allow Arizona to

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Speaker 2: a defensive player Will Anderson out of Alabama. Is that

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Speaker 2: the player. Kuiper brings up Luke will go to you first.

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Speaker 2: Arizona moving down does it make sense because they have

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Speaker 1: I think it's perceived right now, where Levis feels like

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals trading out is for one up two reasons.

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Speaker 1: The Colts trading up because they want to make sure

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals leveraged to leverage that pick because if you

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Speaker 1: if he's fallowing, he might not if you trade. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's less likely than it's perceived, but definitely very.

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Speaker 2: Likely Cardinals could add a second and a third and

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Speaker 2: then of course just drop back one spot. Travis. Does

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And like everyone, Jeremiah came out as mock yesterday

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Speaker 1: said that he thinks Ballard has interested in guys like Hooker,

434
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Speaker 1: which would be like a second round target if they

435
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Speaker 1: don't go QB at four, which I just love chaos,

436
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: which like him signing that probably moved the line a

437
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: little bit, which is how sensitive it is.

438
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Speaker 2: But yeah, we're recording to you on a Wednesday, folks.

439
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 2: If you're looking, Jeremiah's got one up a NFL dot

440
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Speaker 2: com from Tuesday, and then Kyper I think came out

441
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Speaker 2: with the latest mock on Monday. So just reference points

442
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: if you're like, what are these guys talking about? Okay,

443
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 2: so let's spend some time on this. Then we'll get

444
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: into some bets free agency movement to this point. So

445
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 2: Travis brought that up. You're gonna have your first wave

446
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 2: those bar Key moves at certain positions day the day

447
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 2: one moves, then you get your second tier moves. But

448
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 2: I think what you're trying to say is now not

449
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 2: a tear, but a wave, the next wave of free agency.

450
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 2: But let's discuss since we last spoke, a lot's changed

451
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: quarterbacks about the same in terms of the big names. Now,

452
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 2: I know Rogers and Jackson don't count. I'm talking free

453
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: agents now, Garoppolo, carr, Andy, Dalton to the Panthers so

454
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 2: they've got a sure backup plan. Darnold in the mix

455
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: with San Francisco, Heineke to Atlanta, Brissett's in Washington. Now,

456
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 2: I'm just throwing out examples here. The tight end market

457
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: I find really interesting. Dalton Schultz one year deal, Mike

458
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 2: Kasicki one year deal. Are the tight ends in this

459
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 2: first round now attractive for Dallas to move up too,

460
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 2: Get a Mayor or Kincaid. The Panthers are spending to

461
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 2: maybe surround a Stroud or a young by established pros

462
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: talked about the Lions secondary. So I guess by long

463
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: way of asking, we'll go to Luke first. What moves

464
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Speaker 2: so far in free agency that have transpired. What are

465
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Speaker 2: some that come to mind and make you think, Okay,

466
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 2: now I have a maybe I have a better idea

467
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 2: what X team might want to do with their draft

468
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: pick early on.

469
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's like there's a couple teams like the

470
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: Raiders getting Jimmy g that actually like strengthens my feel

471
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: on them having interest on a guy like Richardson, which

472
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: like goes back to the Trey Lance comparison, which is like,

473
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: actually the guy where like to me, Richardson is if

474
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: he doesn't go one, which right now I don't think

475
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: he is. But Thomas Davis kind of throughout some feelers yesterday.

476
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: But like teams like the Seahawks and the Raiders. Now

477
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: after the Seahawks signed Gino and the Raiders signed Jimmy

478
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: make Richardson, who's assumed a guy they can't start day

479
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: one very plausible, and then the Lion signing a couple

480
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: of corners. I don't think the consensus of them going

481
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: corner at six is nearly as strong anymore. I think

482
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Speaker 1: they're very could be in on a guy like Tyrie

483
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: Wilson or trade. I guess you could say I hate

484
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: talking trades, But where I don't think corner should be

485
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: a consensus, and then they're like even further back moves

486
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: like Feeling leaving the Vikings, which is at I think

487
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: there are twenty four where right now everyone's assuming that

488
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: the Vikings are taking a corner, and I think, honestly

489
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: like they very well could be in the market for

490
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. Where I have this like Galley Galaxy

491
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: brain comparison of if Feeling was Roddy White who left

492
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: the Falcons right and Jordan Addison is Calvin Ridley to

493
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: Julio but to Jefferson, where as in Stock is somewhat falling,

494
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: where I think, like the mid twenties is like his

495
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: range right now, where a team like the Vikings who

496
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: just lost Steelan who was like the route runner, et cetera,

497
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: hoping to take heat off of Jackson very well feels

498
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: like a Calvin Ridley who is Addison's comp to Julio

499
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: et cetera Jefferson, where those are like that's a deeper

500
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: one where everyone wants to focus on like the top

501
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: ten picks. I get it, but things obviously happened later

502
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: and a guy like Allison I could see to the Vikings.

503
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: I think tackles, And the other last one I have is.

504
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: Well and real quick, I want to jump into the

505
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 2: other thing that's fascinating about that is the Giants pick

506
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 2: twenty fifth and they're connected to Jordan Adison as well,

507
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 2: which Minnesota is a twenty three.

508
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: Minnesota's twenty three. Yeah, like that's it is his range.

509
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: And then the last one is these tackles getting paid

510
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: a ton by tackles becoming the premium where the tackle

511
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: position is being looked at as almost like quarterbacks, where

512
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: teams want that fifth year option now so that they

513
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: don't have to where there are a lot of tackles,

514
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: and I think just purely based off of free agency

515
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: and where the market is going with tackles, we could

516
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: see more than normal will go in the first round

517
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: for financial reasons and fifty options. Okay, I like it.

518
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Orlando Brown big contract with Cincinnati.

519
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 1: Taylor to the Chiefs, the Texans. What's his name, uh,

520
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: gas mask guy. Yeah, he's a way to reset everything.

521
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: He's the highest pay tackle every Now.

522
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Speaker 2: Travis thoughts, when you look at what's happened so far

523
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: in free agency, do you have a little more clarity

524
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: And like I think, just to hammer this home, everybody

525
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: that folks listening, like, there are markets right now that

526
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: are not available when we talk over under with picks.

527
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: But these are things to think about when a Jordan

528
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: Addison comes up on the board or is in that

529
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: range or best of it you're gonna be. You're on

530
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 2: You're on your living room couch. You see Kuiper's best

531
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: five available. We're at like pick eighteen, and you're like, oh,

532
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: look at this. Here come the Vikings, here come the

533
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: Giants are here Seattle just throwing out teams that could

534
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: be in on a receiver. These are the edges you

535
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: can get by considering these things now when you might

536
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: want to place a bet ahead of time, of course,

537
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: or maybe in a live opportunity. But Travis free agency,

538
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: what has it taught you about the market or what

539
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 2: markets might look like for teams?

540
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the markets that is available now is

541
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 3: which team will be Jeon Robinson go to? And the

542
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 3: Eagles were the favorite for that, and I'd never really

543
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: bought into that. They're very into analytics, and the analytics

544
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 3: do not like taking running backs in the first round,

545
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: much less as a high first rounder. And now they

546
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 3: signed Rashad Penny who again, the analytics really like him

547
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: when he's healthy. That's been his only really issue is

548
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 3: he can't stay healthy. But I do think that really

549
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 3: kind of signals, hey, we're not interested in him at

550
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 3: least with their first first rounder. If he's knu back

551
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 3: to the second, maybe they do it. But so I

552
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: think that's maybe one where you know, where is Bijon

553
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 3: And to go another one people thought was maybe Detroit

554
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: who really loves to pound the ball. They do them well,

555
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: they already have Swift and they signed David Montgomery. Are

556
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 3: they I don't think they're in the market for v

557
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 3: John Robinson now. So whenever you're looking at those type

558
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 3: of markets, some of the top teams that were favorites

559
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: have already signed running backs in free agency. That doesn't

560
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: necessarily mean they're not going to take them, but I

561
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: think that lowers their odds and you know, opens it

562
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: up to some of these other teams.

563
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: And Vijon is like the guy that's impossible to predict

564
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: there right now, and it really is a possible because

565
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: he's probably the best running back to come out since

566
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: sa Quon. Let's just saying, in no position has taken

567
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: more of a hit in terms of valued across the

568
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: league than running back. While we have this like generational

569
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: running back coming out, I'm seeing Max have them in

570
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: to the Bills at twenty seven or to the Falcons

571
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: at eight. So his like range is so crazy. But

572
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: he's definitely on the first where if you took his

573
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: profile and he was like a tackle or quarterback as

574
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: highly rated, it'd be the number one pick automatic just

575
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: because he's a running back. Where I don't think he's

576
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: gonna follow out. Yeah, I don't think he's gonna get

577
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: past twenty. I had no idea what team, but I

578
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna make it to pass twenty, like

579
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: I just because she knew. Like really, now, I don't

580
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: want to talk about it Jeremiah too much, but he

581
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: harped a point that felt so strong, like it really

582
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: just changed my mindset on the position. But I want

583
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: to say before the before the combine, he made a

584
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: point about he doesn't have a problem with teams that

585
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: are win now drafting a running back in the first round.

586
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: He has a problem with teams that are not in

587
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: the win now drafting a running back in the first

588
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: round and just wasting his prime years where a team

589
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: that is winning now, can utilize fift year options, et

590
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: cetera and get him in his prime because the shelf

591
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: life is so small of that really is just going

592
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: to be a waste on a bad team like the Falcons.

593
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: I tend to agree at ten to the Jaguars, even

594
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: though now their division is horrible. Who am I thinking

595
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 2: of Najie Harris with now? That team was trying to win.

596
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: I guess with big playoff teams.

597
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 3: But the Clyde Edwards a layer. Yeah, we worry win

598
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 3: now mode. But man would have wasted a pick in

599
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 3: the first round. Gelt taken a letter than anybody else.

600
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: Everyone thought that was like the best pick ever though

601
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: for what it starts like, he definitely I think this

602
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: will happen.

603
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: It'll happen when Bijeon gets taken to be like, oh

604
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 3: he was worth it. He was such a good pick.

605
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: And then in three years we'll have to wait and see.

606
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: So Bijean Robinson plus one thousand team to draft him,

607
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles. You think that's playable right now?

608
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: No?

609
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 3: I don't think it is. No, because they signed yeah,

610
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: like I said, they signed Penny. They have they basically

611
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: already have three running backs on the roster. They just

612
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: the way the way their team structure works, they don't

613
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: want to spend money on the running back room. I

614
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 3: don't think they're because they were the favorite at one

615
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 3: point and I thought that was kind of silly.

616
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: Now it's Dallas, but they draft twenty sixth, So I'm

617
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: trying to because Luke doesn't think he's going past twenty.

618
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

619
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: I mean, like, like we said, this is like the

620
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 3: wide Washington wildcard.

621
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: He's the wildcard.

622
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Philly is just hyping them up to trick Dallas

623
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 3: into taking them.

624
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, that I get. There is no way to

625
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: be like, if there's one market you just can't get into,

626
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: it's Beshan because his like his Saner deviation on my

627
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: sheet is breaking Santar deviation, Like it's just his like

628
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: every team couldtect. It's just I yeah, literally speechless about

629
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: trying to predict where he's gone because no one has

630
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: any idea because it's just such a wild card position.

631
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: And Chargers are high on the board too.

632
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: Chargers would be the one or like I do a.

633
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: Would they would do something like that. New coordinator Eckler's

634
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: not happy.

635
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I do a gut mock every like a

636
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: week or so where I just like fire out of

637
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: mock track myself off the whim where I don't think,

638
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: I just do it, and I had I put him think, yeah,

639
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: I just do it, And even though I don't, I

640
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: still don't think he can get past twenty. Like there

641
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: just weren't any teams that I was drafting them with,

642
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: and I think I was right when they franchised Pollard.

643
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: It was the last one I did and let Zeke go.

644
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: So I put Bijon too, the Cowboys, which it feels

645
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: like perfect coming from Texas, et cetera. And then I

646
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: hit submit, and immediately I wanted to swap it out

647
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: with the Chargers because like Charge at twenty one is

648
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: definitely kind of that like perfect value spot for where

649
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: you're not reaching on a running back. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: him following a twenty one Mike Slam, which if he falls,

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00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: he's good enough that a team to trade up. That's

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00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: like watched like the Chiefs trade up for him or something.

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Speaker 3: Jesus please know.

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Speaker 2: Now there's no market for a team to draft Michael

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Speaker 2: Mayer or Dalton Kincaid. I bring up tight ends because

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Speaker 2: I did find the the Dalton Schultz, the Mike is

657
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Speaker 2: SICKI one year prove it deals. I bring that up

658
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: not because of the teams that made those moves, but

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00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: the teams that decided to move on. So Dallas is

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Speaker 2: another one. They don't have Schultz and Dallas. And now

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00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: I'm really intrigued by Dallas because of this the running back,

662
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: but also you bring in older players Gilmore at corner,

663
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Speaker 2: Cooks as the second receiver. But Schultz has been a

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Speaker 2: banky for Dak Prescott. When I'll, you know, to see

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Speaker 2: the end of that game against San Francisco, who's he

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Speaker 2: going to.

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Speaker 3: Do?

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Speaker 2: Either of you have a thought on the of elements

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Speaker 2: of Mayor and kin Cater or Conte or teams to

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Speaker 2: those deals for those tight ends. Tell you about the

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Speaker 2: market for free agent tight ends. And now, okay, hey,

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Speaker 2: these guys are going to be highly coveted earlier in

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Speaker 2: the first round potentially.

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Speaker 3: Tight ends because go ahead, Luke, No, go ahead, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, because usually that's position that doesn't

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00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 3: contribute very much in year one. It always takes them

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Speaker 3: a year, you know, just to kind of learn the

678
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 3: offense because they have so much to do. So they're

679
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Speaker 3: basically they're basically a receiver and an olignement all wrapped

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Speaker 3: into one position.

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00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: But uh so, like the teams in the win now mode,

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Speaker 3: like Dallas, it's tough to just bring in a rookie.

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Speaker 3: Although they do have another tight end, I mean, it's

685
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 3: not the only one on the roster. So I do

686
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 3: think this is one of the best tight end classes

687
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Speaker 3: in a while. I think you could see three, maybe

688
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 3: even sneak in four to the first round, especially way

689
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Speaker 3: the way teams are using tight ends as kind of

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00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: the move tight end, as just another receiver and not

691
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 3: just kind of the blocking specialists that they used to be.

692
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: So I think the way that's moving, you are going

693
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: to see more of those. So maybe there are some

694
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: teams that are saying, hey, let's just wait, we don't

695
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 3: need to sign one of these guys. We'll just see

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00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 3: which one of these four kind of fall in our

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00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 3: lap and take our shot on them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I right now, like I agree with Travis, like,

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00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: this is probably one of the better tight ending classes

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Speaker 1: in a while, where the two top guys between Mayor

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00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: and Kincaid are kind of polar opposites, where you have

702
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: Mayor somewhat of like the old school Gronk where you

703
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 1: can block and receive, where he's not like the elite

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00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: playmaker receiver. Then you have Kincaid, who is like Kelsey,

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Speaker 1: who is just the elite pass catcher with not blocking really.

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Speaker 1: But then at the same time you got guys like

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Speaker 1: Washington who's like six' eight, alpha and then you Have

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00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: Luke musgrave who has all the. Measurables like there's like

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00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: three or four tight ends behind those two that in

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00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: any other year probably would have a case to go

711
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: in the first, round and very well could if a

712
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: team falls in love with. Them the issue right now

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00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: is there really isn't a consensus on what teams because

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Speaker 1: it is such a wildcard, position there isn't really consistent

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Speaker 1: on what teams we're gonna pinpoint in the first round

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Speaker 1: going tight, end like right, now there's some there was

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Speaker 1: The packers love going tight. End that's kind of. Fading

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Speaker 1: see Some, washington you.

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Speaker 2: Think that's fading With, tony you, know.

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Speaker 1: The packers are like wide receiver tight end like it's

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Speaker 1: but like we just don't like they are a possible.

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Speaker 1: Team and then you have The lions at, eighteen who

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Speaker 1: are becoming like probably the favorite to be the first

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Speaker 1: team with them Losing, hawkinson, yep just becoming a total.

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Speaker 1: Contender and then you Have chargers are one of the

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Speaker 1: Teams Chargers. Cowboys and then like the consensus team that's

727
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Speaker 1: taking a tight end up until now is The bengals

728
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: at twenty. Eight like every mock draft you see is

729
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Speaker 1: basically just putting a tight end to The bengals at twenty,

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Speaker 1: eight whichever guy's left between the, two but really figuring

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Speaker 1: out what teams where they're so Different Where MAYOR i

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Speaker 1: don't even. KNOW i Like kink, more BUT i Think

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Speaker 1: mayor is more of like plug and play he can,

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Speaker 1: win or Like travis, said it's a position that usually

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00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: they start to develop in their second or third. Year

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Speaker 1: Where mayor just feels like plug and play he's good to,

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Speaker 1: go Or kink might take a little.

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Speaker 2: Longer cincinnati makes. Sense twenty eighth pick the Lost Hayden

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Speaker 2: hurst to The Carolina. Panthers SO i Haten hurst is

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Speaker 2: the exception of WHAT i brought up one year proved.

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Speaker 2: Deals he got a three year deal With. Carolina so

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Speaker 2: but that's AGAIN i think that relates to them taking

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Speaker 2: a quarterback early and putting some veterans skill players on the. Offense,

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Speaker 2: okay let's wrap it up with some bets that and

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Speaker 2: you might and you might not have many at this,

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Speaker 2: STAGE i understand that we have five more episodes to

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Speaker 2: go before draft, week including the week of the. Draft

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Speaker 2: what bets would you recommend or even not? Recommend SO

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Speaker 2: i thought that was a good lesson to learn. There

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Speaker 2: we talked so much about the running back coming out

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Speaker 2: Of texas and V Jon, robinson Sorry drew blanket his,

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Speaker 2: name don't go near that even though because What philadelphia did, Good,

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Speaker 2: okay good got? It thank? You what about what we

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Speaker 2: might want to do? Now luke, First.

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Speaker 1: So right now the, Own, LIKE i think the best

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Speaker 1: bet is no. Bat with the current market we are

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00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: from What i've been, told over runners are coming out this,

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00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: week AND i don't in everything that's been available to

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Speaker 1: this point has been available for a, while and basically

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Speaker 1: it's just been blood. DRY i really don't think there's

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00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 1: any value out. There so, yeah LIKE i would honestly

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00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: just start, prepping start being ready because when the over

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Speaker 1: runners come, out they're going to move fast and things

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00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: are going to get taken off and it is going to.

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Speaker 1: Be it is a very sensitive, market and being ready

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Speaker 1: to react when they do come, OUT i think is

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00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: probably the most important thing because numbers are going to,

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Speaker 1: Fly guys are going to get taken off and put back.

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Speaker 1: Up so, honestly, LIKE i know that's not we're a

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Speaker 1: sports betting, podcast but currently at the current state of the,

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00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: market there really isn't, anything if. ANYTHING i, mean maybe

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00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: Like Jackson ajimba feels like he's becoming the consensus favorite

773
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: to be a first wide receiver taken if there's plus odds,

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00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: ANYWHERE i, guess but he was a lot better a

775
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, ago And i'd be shocked if someone

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Speaker 1: went ahead of. Him, really, YEAH i know that's the

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Speaker 1: least sexy answer, ever but we are very. Close LIKE

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Speaker 1: i was borderline worried that those runners are going to

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00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: go out while we were recording, This so any minute,

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00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: now like literally any minute they better or Because i'm

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Speaker 1: getting to the point of, breaking, well don't break.

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Speaker 2: The don't break the sexy, meter or maybe do break

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Speaker 2: it so it can it get? Better, travis why did

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Speaker 2: you take us home? Here anything you like to play

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00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: now or anything that you're just keeping maybe keeping an

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00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 2: eye ON i think there is another way of looking

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Speaker 2: at this. Too, YEAH i do.

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00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: Agree just looking at my composite, RANKINGS i Have smith

789
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 3: And jigba at. Eleven then the next is Like addison

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00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: at like the twenty range that we talked, About SO

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00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: i do think he's firmly in that number. One another

792
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 3: one THAT i think is close is the first offensive lineman.

793
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: Taken scaransky is first at eleven point, four Than Paris

794
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: johnson eleven point. Six the guy that's been really rising

795
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 3: in that market Is Brodert. Jones Now i'm at fourteen point,

796
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 3: five so he's kind of moved, up LIKE i talked about,

797
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 3: earlier in that same, tier and he's currently five to

798
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 3: one to be the first offensive lineman. Taken so that's

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00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 3: WHEN i could, see if you like taking a, shot

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00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: that he could leap those other TWO i mentioned on

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Speaker 3: the last.

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00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: Pod That's.

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00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: Kronski some people think he's more of a right, tackle

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00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: whereas Product, jones maybe more teams will think of him

805
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 3: as a left, tackle so that could be another step

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00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 3: in that. Direction so he's kind of that guy that's

807
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 3: been rising to catch those other. Two SO i think

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00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 3: five to one that's a decent stab for that market.

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00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: All, right excellent, fellas good, Stuff Luke, Swayin Travis. Reed

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Speaker 2: you can find their work over At Action network and

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Speaker 2: live for OUR Nfl draft betting update here on The

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Speaker 2: Action network. Podcast we will join you again midweek next.

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Speaker 2: Week we're here every week up Until Draft week when

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