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Speaker 4: But we have news today as we're here at the
Speaker 4: Star that an old face is returning to the organization.
Speaker 4: Ezekiel Elliott was slated to take a physical ten o'clock,
Speaker 4: I mean eight o'clock, excuse me. Ten back in the building.
Speaker 3: Go your thoughts.
Speaker 5: Look, I'm gonna say it wasn't a you know, terrible
Speaker 5: moving in my opinion. You know, I think he can
Speaker 5: bring it. Come in here, and you know, Zeke, one
Speaker 5: thing about that. You know he's gonna be able to
Speaker 5: pass protect and you know he's gonna be able to
Speaker 5: punch the ball in from the from the five yard end,
Speaker 5: like he's gonna be able to be that guy that
Speaker 5: can ground and poind we talked about.
Speaker 2: It on the last episode.
Speaker 5: We need that back that's going to be able to
Speaker 5: wear defenses down. Is he the same back that he
Speaker 5: was years ago? Not at all, But.
Speaker 2: I think what he can do can service this offense.
Speaker 5: He can pick up you know, blitzeres and pass protection
Speaker 5: and he can knock it in from the five yard end.
Speaker 2: So to me, I.
Speaker 3: Didn't, you know, I thought it was a It was
Speaker 3: a solid move.
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't a game changer, but it was
Speaker 2: a solid move.
Speaker 5: We'll talk about the drafting a little bit, but yeah,
Speaker 5: I think, you know, bringing Zeke.
Speaker 2: Going a solid move BC. I could not be happier
Speaker 2: there it is. I'm happy. I'm happy about this move.
Speaker 2: Never should have left, is what I got to see
Speaker 2: about it. I mean, look, new it got you choked
Speaker 2: up because you get some more water. Because the thing
Speaker 2: is is that we talked about this long and hard
Speaker 2: throughout the season, and I always said, I'm like, look,
Speaker 2: this is a piece to what we do offensively that
Speaker 2: the Cowboys are gonna miss. And maybe they made, you know,
Speaker 2: Tony Poulter the upside with him, the speed portion, and
Speaker 2: maybe be bringing in a guy like Rico daddo some
Speaker 2: of those other guys, you would have been able to
Speaker 2: mix and match them in. I think the thing that
Speaker 2: you missed most about Zeke last season was those tough
Speaker 2: inside runs. You missed that. You missed that you were
Speaker 2: just talking about five yards in in the red zone.
Speaker 2: You missed that from Zeke. And it was so many
Speaker 2: times over the course of the season that you were
Speaker 2: saying seq with a score right there. Zeke would have
Speaker 2: picked up that blitz. You know, all of those things,
Speaker 2: and like, man, it's sometimes you don't miss a good
Speaker 2: thing until it's gone. And I think for him, I
Speaker 2: can't wait to hear his interview, like what was his
Speaker 2: experience outside of a building going in New England and
Speaker 2: what's the feeling for him coming back. I think you
Speaker 2: make it. For all the rumors and things that people
Speaker 2: said about Zeke and off season stuff, I think that's
Speaker 2: you're not gonna get that Zeke. Yeah. I think the
Speaker 2: guy that you get coming back in and the building
Speaker 2: is going to be focused and let's keep it real.
Speaker 2: He can help this team. He can help this team.
Speaker 2: And so you add a piece that knows the offense,
Speaker 2: that knows a portion of the offense already and the personnel. Look,
Speaker 2: it's a perfect fit. And look, man, thank for the
Speaker 2: organization to put egos aside and bring back a player
Speaker 2: that they know can help them.
Speaker 5: Well, come on, well, so we don't have to rely
Speaker 5: on the immortal.
Speaker 2: Two thoughts, it's out.
Speaker 3: First thought is.
Speaker 4: You could if he was if he'd accepted a large
Speaker 4: your pay cut last year convening.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 4: You and your agent thought that, you know, you were
Speaker 4: worth more, and you found out quickly that that was
Speaker 4: not the case.
Speaker 3: So let's put that there. Uh.
Speaker 4: The second portion of it is you look at the draft.
Speaker 4: They didn't go get anybody, so now you're here. I
Speaker 4: I conceived the mentality of it because they had so
Speaker 4: many holes to feel. We knew there was going to
Speaker 4: be a wholesome place. So the organization basically, okay, fine,
Speaker 4: look we we got another. We got another, so we
Speaker 4: got we got something else. Not going to force anything.
Speaker 4: I just don't know how much of a difference this
Speaker 4: is going to make. I'm still the person who remembers
Speaker 4: all the negativity as he at the end. You know this,
Speaker 4: it's not that it's a lot.
Speaker 3: Okay, do we forget that that's true?
Speaker 4: This is heck, you don't know if he was born
Speaker 4: at the time. Tom Lander goes three and thirteen in
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty eight. Everybody's man, everybody's mad. Games passing by well,
Speaker 4: then Jerry buys a team in eighty nine and he
Speaker 4: gets rid of him.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh my gosh, what are we doing. He
Speaker 3: can't do that. Wait a minute, you guys were all
Speaker 3: saying it.
Speaker 2: It was done.
Speaker 4: So it's a weird kind of deal. You were done
Speaker 4: with Zeke makes too much money. Then he's gone. Now
Speaker 4: we're missing him with Oh gosh, you can't get it
Speaker 4: for the five yard line, bring him back. So I'm
Speaker 4: just kind of sitting in the zone of, yeah, if
Speaker 4: there's a place where he.
Speaker 3: Can help, how he helps, We'll see how his.
Speaker 4: Mentality comes back going to New England. You know, what
Speaker 4: does he bring back here? I'll be interested.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: I always like to say, let it play out. That's
Speaker 3: where I'm here, Let it play out.
Speaker 2: What was this?
Speaker 4: Due f Royce Freeman? How do they make this running
Speaker 4: back room work? But uh yeah, Rico and Lepke do,
Speaker 4: So what is it? I would say, as you look
Speaker 4: all around the kind of the rooms they have, that's
Speaker 4: one room. Right now, are you confident in the room?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Okay, are you confident the right and.
Speaker 2: In my confidence level it stems from do you have
Speaker 2: the same caliber of a running back that the New
Speaker 2: York Jets have. You just look around the NFL at
Speaker 2: the guys that you say that, these are apex guys
Speaker 2: in the NFL, and I don't look at Zeke at
Speaker 2: this point in his career as that guy. You know
Speaker 2: that it's gonna diminish as time goes on. It's a
Speaker 2: lot of miles, a lot of tread on those tires, right,
Speaker 2: I believe My only belief is when I when I
Speaker 2: looked at last season, there were games where Tony Poler
Speaker 2: really didn't give you anything, uh in the ground game,
Speaker 2: and you depended a lot on Dak to back up
Speaker 2: and throw us out of situations. You needed somebody on
Speaker 2: a third and four to be able to pick up
Speaker 2: a first down instead of relying on relying on Dak
Speaker 2: to make that pass. It takes a lot of the
Speaker 2: pressure off of him. That's all I'm saying. Now, if
Speaker 2: it's a running back by committee and I'm talking about
Speaker 2: three dudes that can actually get it done, then I'm okay.
Speaker 2: With that, all right, I'm okay with three guys having
Speaker 2: a culmination of sixteen hundred yards seventeen hundred yards between
Speaker 2: all three of them, I'll take it, all right, Lipkey,
Speaker 2: give you three hundred break it up, all right? Give them.
Speaker 2: You're like, I'm trying to go with your vision. I
Speaker 2: will go.
Speaker 4: I'll go back to Isekia Ellie's previous head coach, Bill Belichick.
Speaker 4: You played against him. He's run through a lot of
Speaker 4: different guys through the years. Man Man won a Super
Speaker 4: Bowl with Antwine Smith and Jr. Read Now it's running back.
Speaker 4: So he did a mix and match and they figured
Speaker 4: out what it is they wanted to do. And this
Speaker 4: is where you go to Mike McCarthy, all right, you
Speaker 4: got this gumbo here, how do you make it work?
Speaker 4: And so that's what I'm trying to figure out. But
Speaker 4: if you are a Cowboy fan and you just go
Speaker 4: through the years, this is an organization that's been used
Speaker 4: to a Bell cow running back Dwayne Thomas in their
Speaker 4: first Super Bowl win? Who should have won the MVP
Speaker 4: that game? To Tony dor said to EMMITTT. Smith, to Ezekiel.
Speaker 3: Elliott the Marco.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're used to seeing a lead dog here,
Speaker 4: this changing of the guard or how they're going to
Speaker 4: do this. I like to see because right now, all
Speaker 4: I can go by is what I know. And around
Speaker 4: here when they've made it go, they've had one guy
Speaker 4: and he's going to do it. So they're gonna go
Speaker 4: a different way. Let's see how they have it a
Speaker 4: different way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then the committee, it can work. The running
Speaker 5: back committee, it can work. We've seen cases of it.
Speaker 5: The only thing that worries me about, you know, going
Speaker 5: into this season, if they don't, if defenses don't respect
Speaker 5: that run game, and we've seen it all before. They
Speaker 5: don't respect that ring, they're gonna let all that coverage
Speaker 5: in the back end make everything murky for Dak.
Speaker 3: And he can that you know, get through the waters,
Speaker 3: of course he can.
Speaker 5: But that's a lot of weight you're putting on your
Speaker 5: quarterback when you don't have a run game to help,
Speaker 5: you know, compliment that passing attack, and defenses is just
Speaker 5: come to sit back and wait, because if they don't
Speaker 5: respect that run game, it's gonna be hard to move
Speaker 5: the ball through the air consistently for seventeen games.
Speaker 3: Who's your starter? Day one?
Speaker 2: See right up right, off the bat. I don't see
Speaker 2: any of these other guys beating Zeke out in the summer.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't see it. You know, you still
Speaker 2: have one of those guys, that man, he still has
Speaker 2: some swag about himself. I mean, and look that knew
Speaker 2: his new England stent. It wasn't it wasn't great by
Speaker 2: a long shot, finished with like six hundred yards on
Speaker 2: the ground. But still he show flashes. He show flashes,
Speaker 2: and those flashes.
Speaker 6: We just came to hope you man was like that man.
Speaker 5: You see what he did the Pittsburgh You got some
Speaker 5: ju left.
Speaker 3: Kind of a game, a game, not a season game,
Speaker 3: not a pro.
Speaker 2: Bo, not about the game, game game we needed him
Speaker 2: versus Green Bay, give me that game versus Green Bay.
Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of games you had this.
Speaker 3: So I'm just listening to your words, your words.
Speaker 2: You know he's gonna gonna write that down in the
Speaker 2: little book over there.
Speaker 3: You understand how this is.
Speaker 2: We talked some hope that hoping.
Speaker 3: You're hoping it can be what it was was hoping.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is it?
Speaker 5: You think they're done adding into that room? You think
Speaker 5: that's the room going into the season. No injury is
Speaker 5: nothing that could be the room.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I would have to think it. The
Speaker 4: roster construction at the position like that is still still open.
Speaker 4: But I mean, as we're just talking here.
Speaker 2: It remains fluid.
Speaker 4: When the man left, No, there wasn't a big people
Speaker 4: had there was there were certain folks who like this,
Speaker 4: not what he's done.
Speaker 3: Then you call him back.
Speaker 4: So now you're gone from his last year calling him
Speaker 4: full back to now now you you're want to hope.
Speaker 3: If he can give you five fifty six. I you
Speaker 3: think he could give you five fifty or six hundred.
Speaker 2: I think, so let's go. Let's go six hundred three.
Speaker 2: It was two hundred. We put this thing together. Man,
Speaker 2: it's a piece of puzzle.
Speaker 4: In baseball. This is the equivalent of guy. He's not
Speaker 4: a starter anymore. Hey, man, we're gonna bring out the bullpens.
Speaker 4: He gives one to two. That's good. He's not that
Speaker 4: horse that he used to be. No, so we have
Speaker 4: to know that el is not the where.
Speaker 3: He used to be.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of a lot of carries, man, that's
Speaker 2: a lot of carriers. Twenty and sixty five carries for
Speaker 2: Ezekiel Ellis.
Speaker 4: It's a lot, a lot, like you know, your your
Speaker 4: body only has so many hits, and so how they
Speaker 4: use him, how to utilize it.
Speaker 2: It's got This is.
Speaker 3: Truly a committee. Now, this is truly a committee.
Speaker 2: And you go back to those seasons, man, where he
Speaker 2: had gutsy performances everybody like he's playing with a PCO
Speaker 2: injury and all of that, and they never come back
Speaker 2: to that, you know, they never come back to this
Speaker 2: the way that he gutted out some of those had
Speaker 2: some gutsy performances and still sty didn't you know, wasn't
Speaker 2: inactive for any of those games. Like, my thing is
Speaker 2: is that you need a guy like that in that room.
Speaker 2: You need a guy like that. And if they're not done,
Speaker 2: I mean they I know, we're going to go into
Speaker 2: the draft and what we didn't do. But in the draft,
Speaker 2: there was obviously some thought processing that that we're going
Speaker 2: to have to get a veteran at some point and
Speaker 2: the ones that were left and the likely the likely
Speaker 2: to them saying, look, this is a guy that we're
Speaker 2: familiar with, and they just with that move.
Speaker 4: ESPN reporting it is a one year deal with a
Speaker 4: maximum value of three million dollars or Ezekiel Elliott, which
Speaker 4: is which Honestly, this is what was going to happen
Speaker 4: in this market for guys like Elliott.
Speaker 3: We saw Royce Freeman.
Speaker 4: There's there's not the big days of dollars, them being
Speaker 4: paid big dollars, and the running back is that that's gone.
Speaker 3: So it makes economic sense. So it is what it is.
Speaker 3: Let's take our first break and dive into this draft.
Speaker 4: I want to know the pick that you liked you
Speaker 4: down the list. Let's say, you know what, here's a
Speaker 4: guy that I think can help this team in twenty
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Speaker 4: with the night day off.
Speaker 3: So we spent the first segment diving into Ezekiel Elliott. Yes,
Speaker 3: coming back to the team.
Speaker 4: Heck things come game one. Ezekiel Elliott is the starting
Speaker 4: running for this team. The draft was just held here.
Speaker 4: We saw first round pick Tyler Guidon Friday. I was
Speaker 4: at the press conferences. Family came here and guys, let
Speaker 4: me just make sure I preface and say this. I
Speaker 4: don't know if I've seen another first round pick come
Speaker 4: in here with so much gratitude with their family, just
Speaker 4: you know, the Cowboy fans. This this, this gentleman was
Speaker 4: thoroughly happy to be here.
Speaker 3: I knew michaeh wanted to come here, we know that.
Speaker 4: But just you could just see that they were just
Speaker 4: overwhelmed with joy.
Speaker 3: That was really fun to see.
Speaker 2: Wait till twenty thirty when they called Hecma's name. Boy.
Speaker 2: He talked about gratitude. We go bear crawl.
Speaker 3: You're gonna be like Chris Chris was when Duce was drafted.
Speaker 3: Tears man, we gonna.
Speaker 2: Hate line to the field back here. You're talking about it.
Speaker 2: You want to come work with dad? All of that?
Speaker 3: You know, can you do it?
Speaker 2: Man? It's uh, you know, I love that with especially
Speaker 2: the bus ride when you show him get out to
Speaker 2: play and then the bus ride over the guys see there,
Speaker 2: see their faces on the digital screen. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: it's obviously it has to be a dream come true
Speaker 2: for them and Tyler guy, and he's someone that we got.
Speaker 2: Well for me, I got an opportunity to see him
Speaker 2: all year. But because oh your O you games and
Speaker 2: Brett Ventables was linebacker Kansas State, know him well, good
Speaker 2: friend of mine. I just got a got an opportunity
Speaker 2: to see this big fella. And now seeing thinking about
Speaker 2: him next to Tyler, Tyler is Tyler. There's some big
Speaker 2: guys on the left side of that offensive line that
Speaker 2: I think, you know, you know, Cowboy fans should be excited.
Speaker 2: I know there's some hesitation because of you know, him
Speaker 2: being being the left tackle, and obviously with with with
Speaker 2: tyring uh now gone, and look, I think they have
Speaker 2: to give this guy guiding is going to be a
Speaker 2: pleasant surprise for a lot of people. His great feet,
Speaker 2: long arms and everything that you need from your left tackle.
Speaker 2: Is there going to be a learning curve? Heck yeah
Speaker 2: there is because the speed is a lot different and
Speaker 2: you get a chance. But the thing is, you get
Speaker 2: a chance to go up against Michael Parsons every day
Speaker 2: and practicing guys like Tank Lawrence, so hey, the learning
Speaker 2: curve will be quick for him. No, I love to pick.
Speaker 2: I love the pick.
Speaker 5: You know, we talked about, you know, all the holes
Speaker 5: that this team has going into this draft, and I
Speaker 5: think they feel one, especially with this guy, Tyler Guttan
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 2: A big dude.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about six seven. This dude is massive.
Speaker 5: But what I like most about him is his basketball background.
Speaker 5: So he has, like you said, those good feet, he's
Speaker 5: athletic ability because he's gonna have to deal with a
Speaker 5: lot of speed coming off of that edge.
Speaker 3: So I love the pick.
Speaker 2: Right there, they got that offsive.
Speaker 5: Line hopefully solidified, and we'll see it going forward. But
Speaker 5: I love that first round pick. I mean, we needed it,
Speaker 5: especially in the trenches on the offensive side.
Speaker 4: I think that they'd do with the first round man
Speaker 4: and he kind of touchdown pass from Andy Dalton. He's
Speaker 4: a TCU.
Speaker 3: So but.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 4: There it is, they doubling CD just go ahead hitting
Speaker 4: hit him with a bullets So great. Great to meet
Speaker 4: the Guyton family and to see just how excited they were.
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 4: So right, who, when you look at this draft, was
Speaker 4: your favorite pick of what the Cowboys did?
Speaker 2: Got it? Sir? Okay? So I'm still trying to figure
Speaker 2: out the round number three. That's the round three pick
Speaker 2: from Notre Dame. But you please pronounce this name for me.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna sit up here and tell you I
Speaker 3: got it, but I think.
Speaker 2: Okay, So here's the deal, and this this guy.
Speaker 3: Is Hooker's cousin, hook coolist cousin.
Speaker 2: I like him already, all right, Jordan Brandal on the table,
Speaker 2: coming fell. But as far as we knew what we needed,
Speaker 2: we knew. And I'm just channeling my inner Danny McCrae
Speaker 2: here because that was exactly what he was asking for.
Speaker 2: Is a is a linebacker. And when you look at
Speaker 2: a guy like him and what he can do as
Speaker 2: far as applying pressure from the blitz. We needed a
Speaker 2: guy like that to also to be able to blitz
Speaker 2: the passer, but also a guy that's good in space,
Speaker 2: and what I saw from him in Notre Dame is
Speaker 2: he's also good in space. And that's again that's with
Speaker 2: the combination of what coach Zimmer is going to bring
Speaker 2: to this defense and the weapons that he already has,
Speaker 2: you needed a guy like that. I think last year
Speaker 2: you were looking at our linebackers and you saw that
Speaker 2: was one of the major deficiencies, the way that they've
Speaker 2: worked in past coverage and working in space. Where I
Speaker 2: have questions about sometimes is you know how taking on blocks.
Speaker 2: You know we saw and you don't want to see
Speaker 2: these guys down down after down, take on guards and tackles,
Speaker 2: but just see if he's that physical, let the line
Speaker 2: of scrimmage. So you know, I really appreciate the pick.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to work well in this defense
Speaker 2: and really want to see how he works in combines
Speaker 2: with guys like Michael Parsons.
Speaker 5: You know, I got to go with my mac representer
Speaker 5: as well, west Or a Michigan guy right here, Marshall
Speaker 5: and Eland. Yeah, and you know off the edge, they
Speaker 5: say he's you know, twitch, he's he's fast off the edge,
Speaker 5: can get out to the quarterback.
Speaker 2: He's a raw talent though.
Speaker 5: He's a raw talent though, and hopefully he can you know,
Speaker 5: with guys like Parsons and Lawrence around him, they can
Speaker 5: help perfect his game. But I think you're gonna definitely
Speaker 5: need those depth pieces, especially with you know, Armstrong out
Speaker 5: of here now, you got Fowler was going out of
Speaker 5: here now. That pass rush was huge for dan Quinn
Speaker 5: last year because he was able to just you know,
Speaker 5: rotate those guys in and they were fresh. So this
Speaker 5: year you're gonna add a little bit of depth there
Speaker 5: and hopefully if he's able to come along, well, then
Speaker 5: you can get that that speed package where you can
Speaker 5: kick the Marcus Lawrence on the inside, you can have
Speaker 5: Parsons in him on the outside as well, and you
Speaker 5: can get after the pass rusher that way. What I
Speaker 5: have liked to see more of a big time space
Speaker 5: eater in that in that pick right there to basically
Speaker 5: solidify the interior part of our defense. Yes, but just
Speaker 5: right here is to me is a good depth piece
Speaker 5: and hopefully he can come along and provide dividends for
Speaker 5: this defensive line.
Speaker 3: Cooper b b love it.
Speaker 4: Okay, the offensive lineman out of Kansas State, and I
Speaker 4: know a.
Speaker 3: Lot of people and I had talked about Zach Fraser.
Speaker 4: From West Westginia, and I believe you checked the draft
Speaker 4: guy there Bb was rated higher than Fraser. So I
Speaker 4: made a phone call up to Kansas State this morning
Speaker 4: and I was told, one of the best people on
Speaker 4: the team going to be involved in your community events.
Speaker 4: They put him all around the offensive line when he
Speaker 4: was there. Eight starts to right tackle in twenty twenty,
Speaker 4: thirteen starts at left tackle in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: Then they moved him inside and unanimous All American. It's
Speaker 3: tough to do.
Speaker 4: It's tough to do, and to me, what's even more
Speaker 4: impressive is he did it in the Big twelve because
Speaker 4: there are a lot of people that when they're doing
Speaker 4: these kinds of things, they put.
Speaker 3: More emphasis on the SEC and what's going on over there.
Speaker 4: So I think that and people just think, oh, it's
Speaker 4: the Big twelves is passing league and all they do
Speaker 4: was throw the ball here. So that he was also
Speaker 4: a first team All American in twenty twenty two, the
Speaker 4: Big Twelve Offensive Lineman of the Year twenty twenty two
Speaker 4: and twenty twenty three, three times First Team All Big Twelve.
Speaker 4: I look at that and I go back to when
Speaker 4: Jimmy was drafting players, and also when Bill Parcels's around here.
Speaker 3: Go get me some proven winners. Go get me some
Speaker 3: people that are doing it at a high level.
Speaker 4: Late Gil Brand used to say, Newie, if they're not
Speaker 4: doing it there, they're not gonna come up here and
Speaker 4: start doing it.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 4: So when I look at Cooper b b who they
Speaker 4: talked about putting it center, it's got big arms, aren't
Speaker 4: the longest, but you know what he can get in
Speaker 4: there in the phone move mix it up with you.
Speaker 4: I'm excited about that because I just truly believe they've
Speaker 4: got to help maintain that middle. And so now I'm
Speaker 4: thinking he's a bigger, thicker guy than be Honesh. So
Speaker 4: you have fun trying to figure out how you're gonna
Speaker 4: get through bb Jack Martin Tyler Smith.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be tough.
Speaker 3: Okay, good luck, good luck right there?
Speaker 2: Me tough.
Speaker 4: So if you're trying to attack you, but we'll have
Speaker 4: to go out to the cowboy tackles because that interior
Speaker 4: line is gonna be be stout and then let me
Speaker 4: have finish this. Then now your run game can be
Speaker 4: a little bit better. Yeah, so you can get the
Speaker 4: third and one third and two.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the one thing that I particularly love about
Speaker 2: BBI is he has some nasty to him. He has
Speaker 2: some nasty to him. And they watched the highlights, and
Speaker 2: you just watched this dude. He is finishing blocks and
Speaker 2: that's the only thing. Like when I looked at Guidon
Speaker 2: and a lot of not just him, a ton of
Speaker 2: offensive linemen. I always have this critique they don't finish
Speaker 2: blocks and you know, latch on and to the gatorade buckets,
Speaker 2: you know, or finish and it's I think it's the
Speaker 2: r p O. It don't even get me stuck anyway.
Speaker 2: But I just I like his level of nasty and
Speaker 2: and I think you needed that. You need that with
Speaker 2: the guys that you have, and man, that's a that's
Speaker 2: a great depth and also just understanding from the Dallas
Speaker 2: Cowboys how you know sat not I don't want to
Speaker 2: use the word satisfied, but where they feel like they
Speaker 2: are already with the guys up front, with brock Hoffman
Speaker 2: and those guys. So you know that's having him having
Speaker 2: that piece, he's going to have to compete. He's got,
Speaker 2: He's going to have competition definitely coming into slous Exactly.
Speaker 3: I look at.
Speaker 4: Cooper Bebee as second round talent that ended up in
Speaker 4: the third round. I just really, really am excited about
Speaker 4: this young man because the Cowboys need somebody else to
Speaker 4: fight in the phone booths.
Speaker 3: They got to and.
Speaker 4: They've won twelve games three years in a row, and
Speaker 4: they struggled in the playoffs. They haven't been able to
Speaker 4: just get out there and establish a run game. Other
Speaker 4: teams have established it against them.
Speaker 3: But they have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so to me, that's what I'm looking for here.
Speaker 4: Get this middle solidified right here. Okay, start you know,
Speaker 4: start there, then you go guide him. It's going to
Speaker 4: be an interesting thing. So for me, and we talked
Speaker 4: about this before, you need to get some people walk
Speaker 4: in here and.
Speaker 3: Help you right away. Think about I'm not sure or.
Speaker 4: Guiding just yet, but I'm anticipating if they can stay healthy.
Speaker 4: BB and Giden are guys that are playing day one.
Speaker 4: That's what you've needed to get out of this draft
Speaker 4: for sure and help your offensive line.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because they got this team, they have to be
Speaker 5: able to punch people in the mouth, you know, instead
Speaker 5: of you know, taking that first punch and saying, all right,
Speaker 5: now we've got to retaliate. They got to be able
Speaker 5: from day one, from jump one, be able to establish
Speaker 5: this ground game, establish some type of dominance to where
Speaker 5: they can go out there and punch these guys in
Speaker 5: the mouth instead of you know, waiting around to get hit.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's what happens in each of the last
Speaker 5: maybe three playoff losses.
Speaker 2: Green Bay came in here, punched them in the mouth.
Speaker 3: San Francisco twice back to back, punched them in the mouth.
Speaker 5: They've got to get some nasty to them and hopefully
Speaker 5: BB and all these other guys can go in there
Speaker 5: and as a group in that offensive lineman and start
Speaker 5: serving out some of you know, some beat down to
Speaker 5: these other teams.
Speaker 2: Then you saw that with against teams in your own division,
Speaker 2: Philadelphia also they come in and they play nasty. They
Speaker 2: are all over you picking up.
Speaker 4: As soon as you said it, my mind goes to
Speaker 4: just okay, who are you facing you and you're trying
Speaker 4: to win your division. We know Philadelphia is invested in
Speaker 4: their defensive line. We know the Giants have some good
Speaker 4: defensive line dan Quinn. We know dan Quinn who's background
Speaker 4: is defensive line. He's going to be working in that area.
Speaker 4: And they still have some players there too. So that's
Speaker 4: the exciting thing. I think about Cooper bb being in
Speaker 4: there along with Tyler Smith and Zach Martin is that
Speaker 4: they're going to make it hard. And if you can
Speaker 4: keep that pocket clean, Dack, that people just can't run
Speaker 4: up in there like that, that's going to help him.
Speaker 4: And then said third one whatever, inside the five, you
Speaker 4: got a chance.
Speaker 2: Now my question if you guys were paying you guys,
Speaker 2: of course you're playing paying attention to the two hundred
Speaker 2: and forty fourth pick Justin Rodgers, the defensive tackle out
Speaker 2: of Arburn six three, two hundred and forty six pounds.
Speaker 2: Wait wait, yeah, seventh round pick seventh.
Speaker 3: Don't don't even say that name. Don't don't go there,
Speaker 3: don't go I.
Speaker 2: Can't even now. I can't even see his name on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 3: Come on out the man.
Speaker 2: But look, you have a guy. Obviously he has his
Speaker 2: shortcomings as well as as a defensive tackle, but you
Speaker 2: get a guy. I think that you were asking for
Speaker 2: you wanted it, probably talent wise in in you know,
Speaker 2: rounds one through four, but you end up getting some
Speaker 2: of that answered in the seventh round when you're you know,
Speaker 2: with your final pick with Justin Rodgers. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: not asking him the rush a passer. I'm asking him
Speaker 2: to be a space heater. I'm asking this guy to
Speaker 2: take on blocks and coming out of the secc in
Speaker 2: the way that he performed. I mean, look, it's maybe
Speaker 2: not the most athletic guy. I don't need him to
Speaker 2: be the most athletic guy. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: I need him to gain twenty more pounds, be immovable.
Speaker 2: You know. I need a sement a guy, A bucket
Speaker 2: full of sement guy. That's what I need.
Speaker 4: Okay, I thought you were gonna say, Jay Rats, I know, well,
Speaker 4: Auburn seventh round pick.
Speaker 2: You know what I hate that I didn't come up
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 4: What because that is a lightning in the bottle type
Speaker 4: of thing we met. We hardly ever see somebody become
Speaker 4: a Pro Bowl defensive player, you know, stalwart in the middle.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm mad at myself. That's what I thought, you see,
Speaker 2: I wasn't I thought you was talking about Mazzie. Don't
Speaker 2: say Mozzie's name. I thought you was saying. That's exactly
Speaker 2: what I thought you were saying. But no, And he
Speaker 2: put that together seventh round pick as well arazing draft grades.
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Speaker 4: Congratulations to him. You want to do draft grades, So
Speaker 4: all right, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Draft grade for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give it a solid bee, solid, give it
Speaker 5: a solid bee, not a B minus, not to be BLUs,
Speaker 5: but I'm gonna give a solid B. I think they
Speaker 5: definitely filled the holes on the offensive line that they needed.
Speaker 5: I think they got either a couple of Day one
Speaker 5: starters or at the very worst, great depth pieces on
Speaker 5: that offensive line to go ahead and protect your almost
Speaker 5: you know, about to be sixty million dollars quarterback soon,
Speaker 5: so you got to be able to protect him up there.
Speaker 5: The reason, you know, I didn't go any higher than
Speaker 5: that because they didn't grab it back. Man, they didn't
Speaker 5: grab it back. You got Ezekiel Ella. We talked about
Speaker 5: that in the first segment. But to me, I thought
Speaker 5: you could have got a great depth piece, you know,
Speaker 5: fourth fifth round in there that could come in there
Speaker 5: and and not saying he's going to be you know,
Speaker 5: Ezekiel laed in twenty sixteen, but you know, he could
Speaker 5: have made that room a lot better. And you know,
Speaker 5: he had abundance of running backs in the draft to
Speaker 5: choose from. You know, I figured they would go late
Speaker 5: in the later rounds and grab them, but they did not.
Speaker 5: But they did feel they need against it or in
Speaker 5: the offensive line and on the defensive line as well.
Speaker 5: So for me, I'll give him a solid B.
Speaker 2: Look here when I when I I said it before,
Speaker 2: I said offensive line first, defensive line second, and then
Speaker 2: running back third. I thought that would be the order
Speaker 2: in which we went on it once it got to
Speaker 2: those third rounds and we didn't go that way, and
Speaker 2: you solid running backs that had already dropped off the board.
Speaker 2: Everyone after that would have would have been maybe a
Speaker 2: reach considering you know, scheme, fit, size, all of those things.
Speaker 2: And so I don't know, particularly the secret hasn't come
Speaker 2: out and if they went you know, BPA on the board,
Speaker 2: but I felt like they addressed their needs. Person They
Speaker 2: addressed their needs. They addressed the depth pieces that they needed,
Speaker 2: even the you know, the depth at dB we hadn't
Speaker 2: talked to, you know, they bought in some extra help
Speaker 2: there as well. I just look, I'm going a minus.
Speaker 2: And the reason I'm saying a minus is instead of
Speaker 2: a plus is kind of for the same reason that
Speaker 2: you didn't go out there and get You didn't get
Speaker 2: the running back, but I felt like you were solid
Speaker 2: in every other area. I felt like you were solid.
Speaker 2: I felt like you got guys that are going to
Speaker 2: be able that we hope, guys that are right off
Speaker 2: the bus that could come and help you as yet
Speaker 2: to be seen. But you know, when you talk, when
Speaker 2: you listen to Will McClay talk about these about these
Speaker 2: guys that they drafted, you realize that they obviously do
Speaker 2: all of the due diligence and research on these guys,
Speaker 2: and they know that they fit the scheme that they're
Speaker 2: going to play next season. So look, I'm I always
Speaker 2: and Will McClay I trust. Let me just say that,
Speaker 2: all right, I trust. And you know you bring in
Speaker 2: a guy like d Run Bland and you're like, man,
Speaker 2: run man. You know this guy, you know, small school,
Speaker 2: We don't think that he can how can he compete
Speaker 2: on this level? He just goes out and lead the
Speaker 2: NFL and interceptions. So look, I think I always put
Speaker 2: that in the back of my mind when I see
Speaker 2: these guys that are from maybe a smaller school, the
Speaker 2: wide receiver from a small school that's coming in. Big
Speaker 2: kid ran a four to four. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: you know that, Will McClay, Stephen Jones. They did their
Speaker 2: research on these guys, and so I felt like it was.
Speaker 2: It was a solid draft, all right. Personally, I hate
Speaker 2: giving it a grade.
Speaker 4: I do, and I simply say this from the standpoint
Speaker 4: some of these guys, I really have to dive in
Speaker 4: more to okay, well and then love to know, give
Speaker 4: me your.
Speaker 3: Vision for these guys.
Speaker 4: And they talked a little bit about it at the
Speaker 4: draft table.
Speaker 3: That's what they're going to do.
Speaker 4: It's like, sign everybody, what a great class of kids.
Speaker 4: I didn't need to see some potential walk in starters
Speaker 4: and some guys that can not walking in here like
Speaker 4: you talk about a neel and somebody who can play
Speaker 4: some special teams and work.
Speaker 3: I think they did a good.
Speaker 4: Job when it came to taking some of these linebackers
Speaker 4: and defenders. Because of the new special teams. I don't
Speaker 4: think people talk about that enough. It's going to play
Speaker 4: a very key part and how you build your football team.
Speaker 4: And I don't think Cowboy fans really understand how bad
Speaker 4: and bear the linebacker spot got that year.
Speaker 3: They had so many holes.
Speaker 4: So I give grace about the running back position because
Speaker 4: I'm thinking to myself, so if I have to go
Speaker 4: into free agency, where's a place where I can go
Speaker 4: and say, you know what, may not be perfect, but
Speaker 4: I can make this work.
Speaker 3: It's Ezekiel Elliott. Yeah, you knew what's the draft happened.
Speaker 3: It's not just cal.
Speaker 4: A whole bunch of teams were just trying to find
Speaker 4: some bargains here and there.
Speaker 3: I can live with that.
Speaker 4: I can live with that because the backs that I
Speaker 4: liked they were gone, and as they were.
Speaker 3: Like, take a Cooper rebe.
Speaker 4: You can't take a running back. You needed this guy,
Speaker 4: You needed a starting center. You passed on them in
Speaker 4: round two, passed on in round one. Couldn't You had to.
Speaker 4: You had to fix it. So I give them grace.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 4: You look at a guy like Neil and they're thinking
Speaker 4: down the road, and you have to start to tank.
Speaker 4: Lawrence is not going to be here forever. You're going
Speaker 4: to have to start to think where do we go?
Speaker 4: Sam Williams. You're hoping Sam Williams steps.
Speaker 3: Into being more this year.
Speaker 4: So I understand the mentality of what they were trying
Speaker 4: to do. So if I have to give you something,
Speaker 4: I'd give it a bee. It has to be better
Speaker 4: than last year.
Speaker 2: Gotta be this.
Speaker 4: This group you're gonna play Jesus because as you dyed
Speaker 4: for last year's sins of Dus, didn't get stuff done. Okay,
Speaker 4: so we need you to come in here, be extraordinary,
Speaker 4: great man.
Speaker 5: They got you gotta get done because last year, I
Speaker 5: mean Wilma class track record. You know, you gotta trust
Speaker 5: in him because he you know, he's he's amazing when
Speaker 5: it comes to this. But last year, I mean who
Speaker 5: stood out in the last year?
Speaker 2: Brother?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 4: We need to get some people that can come here
Speaker 4: and help you right away because last year's class was
Speaker 4: not good and you're looking at the I mean right now.
Speaker 3: Okay, you think about last year.
Speaker 4: Mazzie Smith, we don't know, we don't know. Luke Screonmaker,
Speaker 4: he said I could be your number one tight end
Speaker 4: because's Jake Ferguson's been people saying you got a block better.
Speaker 4: So you got to see where his growth spurred. Is
Speaker 4: your third round pick has never started the game or
Speaker 4: played in the game before uh in over Street because
Speaker 4: he got hurt uh junior f Oh, how does he
Speaker 4: fit your fourth round?
Speaker 3: How does he fit in this scheme? For Mike Zimmers.
Speaker 4: Because that was a dan Quinn pick, like dan Quinn
Speaker 4: had a vision for him. Does Mike had that same fission?
Speaker 4: Things like that that we're trying to figure out and
Speaker 4: find out from last year's class of guys. It's a
Speaker 4: problem duce Vaughan, what is expected of duce Vaughn? And
Speaker 4: your number two? He's in that running back room? So
Speaker 4: so what what do you what do you see?
Speaker 2: What do you do?
Speaker 4: So that that for me, that's stuff that I look
Speaker 4: at free agent wise, here a lot of Chris Bean
Speaker 4: gave us a note here, just a lot of the
Speaker 4: signings like Missouri running back Nathan Pete, Northwestern receiver Camp
Speaker 4: Johnson's you know Corey Krumes wide received out of Minnesota,
Speaker 4: Ala collar tight ends Central Florida. So a lot of
Speaker 4: names here, names you don't necessarily know off the top
Speaker 4: of the head. Lests you like a fan of the
Speaker 4: team because it's from you know, South Dakota, you know
Speaker 4: East Caroline in Nevada.
Speaker 3: So to me, I just look at it this way.
Speaker 4: We know there's going to be one or two guys
Speaker 4: and make this football team off that undrafted list every year.
Speaker 3: Terrence Steele's just there. Barry Church is another example.
Speaker 4: So the Cowboys are going to give you an opportunity
Speaker 4: to make the football team, which I think is a
Speaker 4: pretty cool thing because you know, it's just not just
Speaker 4: a window dressing with a sign. They're really looking to
Speaker 4: get people.
Speaker 2: Opportunity and a great point. Man. I think my thoughts
Speaker 2: of this weekend has been in that wide receiver room
Speaker 2: also just trying to figure out who's going to be
Speaker 2: the number two with with CD, who's going to emerge
Speaker 2: from that room. Jalen Tober changed his number, the number one.
Speaker 2: Did you see that?
Speaker 3: I did not. That's number one, changed the one, number one.
Speaker 2: Number one? Now okay, number one? Yeah? So all right, yeah,
Speaker 2: so I mean you still have Brandon Cooks. Jalen Tober
Speaker 2: is now you're number three. I don't know if that's enough.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if that's enough. CD CDs
Speaker 2: And even with that, you know there's there's CD contract
Speaker 2: still on the table. So much man on the horizon
Speaker 2: still unsettled for the Cowboys after the draft, and none
Speaker 2: of those other issues have gone away. We still have it.
Speaker 2: And I just feel like as as days go by, Cee,
Speaker 2: these contract goes up and up and up as you see,
Speaker 2: as you see some of these other guys get signed.
Speaker 2: But you're gonna need a bona fide number two receiver.
Speaker 2: Brandon Cooks, he didn't solidify that role. To me, I
Speaker 2: just felt like he was not a one trick pony,
Speaker 2: but he was. He was a deep threat guy for
Speaker 2: the Cowboys. You need more than that. And I don't
Speaker 2: know Jayalen Tobert hasn't proven to me time and time
Speaker 2: he can be consistent at that. So I want to
Speaker 2: That's what I want to see, and that's why I'm
Speaker 2: so excited about the summer and these OTAs and see
Speaker 2: the way that guys are developing. But there's still some
Speaker 2: pieces and some things that I want to see the
Speaker 2: Cowboys address, whether whether it be in free agency or
Speaker 2: a guy that's currently on the roster tech in the rings.
Speaker 5: They're still the team to be, Cowboys, still the still
Speaker 5: the team to beat in the division.
Speaker 2: Until further notice. Until further notice, I know we're gonna
Speaker 2: make bets gonna be made. You already know BET's gonna
Speaker 2: be made. I'll tell you I'm not vinding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, Jones, that's what the Cowboys are.
Speaker 4: We've never seen them have three seasons in a row
Speaker 4: of twelve wins, I mean four four. They've had three.
Speaker 4: To have four would be you know, that's that's a challenge.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's when you're talking about the Brady
Speaker 4: New England type teams. That's what you's about the Montana
Speaker 4: forty nine ers type teams. And that's that's a challenge.
Speaker 4: So so we'll see, you know, ten win may win
Speaker 4: could because if everyone can't improve, they just start knocking
Speaker 4: slobber knocking into that.
Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 4: But the regression to the mean because it's the league
Speaker 4: is designed this way. The league is designed it. Okay,
Speaker 4: along the way, we're gonna make your schedule hard. You're
Speaker 4: gonna have to face tough for teams. They don't want
Speaker 4: you to stay on top, which is why what you
Speaker 4: see from Kansas City has been impressive. What you saw
Speaker 4: out of Bill Belichick's run up there in New England.
Speaker 4: It also helped these guys play the booty Division.
Speaker 2: Hey it's nots, but you.
Speaker 4: Still have to win it. You still have to win it.
Speaker 4: And this is this division is not that. This is
Speaker 4: a very competitive competitive division. So there's changes that have
Speaker 4: happened all the teams here. So this is why we
Speaker 4: talk about it, this is why we enjoy it. And
Speaker 4: we'll see where it goes. The Cowboys have work, We'll
Speaker 4: see how they keep putting it together.
Speaker 2: Something some teams. There's some interesting things on Draft night,
Speaker 2: man and and it was it always makes you say, wow,
Speaker 2: I'm glad that's not us. You know, Atlanta, that was interesting.
Speaker 2: That was very interesting what Atlanta did Minnesota with JJ
Speaker 2: and I don't know JJ McCarthy gets a bad rap
Speaker 2: from a lot of draft analysts, but what they did
Speaker 2: at ten, I think everyone's like, 's what's that pick?
Speaker 2: So it's gonna trading up, trading up, Yes, trading up
Speaker 2: that somebody who's gonna.
Speaker 3: But they needed a quarterback.
Speaker 2: They absolutely they needed Yes, they need a quarterback.
Speaker 3: So they needed a quarterback. To me, that that I
Speaker 3: understood it.
Speaker 4: Kevin mc Kevin O'Connell, and that's a fit to me,
Speaker 4: I understood that. I was never a fan of Kirk
Speaker 4: Cousin signing with Atlanta. He's never a fan of that
Speaker 4: thirty six coming off and the killing yeah, you know
Speaker 4: this guy walking up with ninety million. What were we
Speaker 4: doing here? I never got that. So Pinnix to me
Speaker 4: wasn't crazy. It's just crazy when you give a guy
Speaker 4: ninety million where you could have put resources and gone
Speaker 4: a whole there in other ways, and you'll, by the way,
Speaker 4: the same organization and put out a press release the
Speaker 4: year before saying we're not pursuing Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3: I don't get this. I don't get this collusion. And
Speaker 3: all the people are like saying, oh, it's crazy. You
Speaker 3: got kirkuse how.
Speaker 2: Long do you have it? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I am not sold on Kirk Cousins finishing this contract health.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just And that's the one thing that I
Speaker 2: thought about when they took Pennix. I was like, man,
Speaker 2: there's got to be something up with that, because maybe
Speaker 2: there's something in the contract that they were saying, like look,
Speaker 2: getting them in here signing whatever, but there's some fine
Speaker 2: small writing that they'd be in there about that whole
Speaker 2: Achilles injury. I don't know. I just thought that that
Speaker 2: was different. And there were a ton of teams that
Speaker 2: done that did things on draft night that I said
Speaker 2: that that's interesting, you know, that's interesting, whether they got better.
Speaker 2: You know. Hey, Jayden Daniels goes to the commanders. That'll
Speaker 2: be interesting, that will be interested. I mean, I look
Speaker 2: forward to running into him. Pause.
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