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Speaker 2: let's get to the show. Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday.

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Speaker 2: Have an amazing show for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal, Indeed.

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Speaker 1: We do lots of big developments. We're going to take

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Speaker 1: a look at some of the Trump cabinet picks which

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Speaker 1: Sagrel spend some time breaking down some of these fights

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Speaker 1: So we'll break all of that down and what it

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Speaker 1: going to break down this pugrum hoax. Sorry, that's what

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Speaker 1: the pod Save Bros. Revealing Biden had polling internally that

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Speaker 1: Cut some of this shit out.

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Speaker 4: You know, she works very well with President Trump. I

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Speaker 3: So you have very little power.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think was most influential in spiking

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Speaker 3: Massing Don Junior?

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Speaker 2: You know, Don Junior's been at these UFC fights for

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Speaker 1: He's he is.

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Speaker 2: Somebody who is very ideological on the subject of Ukraine

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Speaker 2: not only in the subject of China terrace, but he

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Speaker 2: designed USMCA with Mexico. Him and Trump have a very

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Speaker 2: very strong relationship. Trump strongly trusts Bob Leithheiser and actually

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Speaker 2: would empower him. Usually the trade trade representative does not

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Speaker 2: have quite a lot of power. And also the best

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Speaker 2: thing for Lathhauser this time around is that Jared Kusher

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Speaker 2: is not coming into the ADMIN, and last time around

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Speaker 2: he would do all these ad hoc negotiations which would

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Speaker 2: undercut him.

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Speaker 1: I saw Vivac is a potential for secretary stage you

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Speaker 1: buy that.

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Speaker 2: It's difficult to believe simply because we're about to talk

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Speaker 2: about the Senate math. I don't see it for vic

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Speaker 2: I just don't see how you could take somebody who

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Speaker 2: is not I'm not saying it would be a bath secretary,

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Speaker 2: so actually be good. But the issue is going to

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Speaker 2: be do you really think John Thune is going to

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Speaker 2: vote for him? Do you really think John Cornyn? Do

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Speaker 2: you really think I don't know, I'm trying to think

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Speaker 2: of Lisa Murkowski or I don't think lisam Mkowski would

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Speaker 2: vote for a vivege in college they have.

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Speaker 1: A three Well, first of all, I mean they're talking

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Speaker 1: about doing recent appointments anyway. Yeah, we'll be able to

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Speaker 1: get people through, you know, even who wouldn't be able

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Speaker 1: to garner the majority. But I don't see if a

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Speaker 1: VAKED failing a confirmation, it.

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Speaker 2: Would be difficult just because he's an unknown figure and

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Speaker 2: these people are Washington Creek.

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Speaker 1: To like part of somebody gonna get who Trump want.

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Speaker 2: So somebody I spoke to you yesterday said that internally

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Speaker 2: that there is a real graybeard like bias for the

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Speaker 2: big four, and the big four are like Secretary of Treasury,

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Speaker 2: Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, and Chief of Staff

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Speaker 2: and then all of those in general. Look the average

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Speaker 2: as in the Senate, it's like sixty five vagas of

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Speaker 2: what like forty three. You know, it's like, yeah, to

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Speaker 2: get somebody through like.

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Speaker 1: That is going to be hard. I don't know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: don't get my hopes up.

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Speaker 2: I would like I listened, Hey, I think you'd be

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Speaker 2: the best cabinet I all think.

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Speaker 1: But well, why don't we talk about the next part

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Speaker 1: and then we can continue this conversation in there because

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Speaker 1: it has you know, relates to this like Senate leadership

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Speaker 1: fight and all of those things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point, So let's move there to

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Speaker 2: the big Senate leadership fight. So this is like a

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Speaker 2: big war going on right now over who should be

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Speaker 2: the next GOP leader in the Senate. Mitch McConnell is retiring,

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Speaker 2: and stepping down from leader. And so the three candidates

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Speaker 2: are Rick Scott, John Thune, and John Cornyn. So John

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Speaker 2: Thune and John Cornyn are more establishment types. They were

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Speaker 2: already number two and number three in the Republican Conference.

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Speaker 2: Rick Scott has become like a Maga rallying cry.

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Speaker 3: So let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: For example, from Tucker Carlson, the most prominent to tweet

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Speaker 2: this out, he says, what the hell is going on

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Speaker 2: in the US Senate? Hours after Trump wins the most

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Speaker 2: conclusive mandate in forty years, Mitch McConnell has engineered a

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Speaker 2: coup against his agenda by calling early leadership elections. Two

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Speaker 2: of the three candidates hate Trump and what he ran on.

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Speaker 2: One of them, John Cornyn, is an angry liberal whose

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Speaker 2: politics are indistinguishable from Liz Cheney's. The election is Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: it's by secret ballot, and it will determine whether or

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Speaker 2: not the new administration succeeds. Rick Scott at Florida is

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Speaker 2: the only candidate who agrees with Donald Trump. Call your

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Speaker 2: senator and demand a public endorsement of Rick Scott. Don't

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Speaker 2: let McConnell get away with it again. That is Honestly,

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Speaker 2: the big question is what why Rick Scott? And I

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Speaker 2: got to be honest, I don't get it at all.

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Speaker 2: For example, because Rick Scott was the guy who was

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Speaker 2: in charge of the Senate leadership campaign, the what is it,

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Speaker 2: the NRSC. He was the head of the NRC in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, which was a disaster. Remember he went

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Speaker 2: to the Amalfi coast on a yacht.

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Speaker 1: He put out that whole like policy friend that called

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Speaker 1: for Medicare and Social Security to be sunseted every what

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Speaker 1: like three years and have to be revoted.

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Speaker 2: Biden campaign ran on and was a huge boon. Remember

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Speaker 2: whenever Biden gave his the only frankly good speech he

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Speaker 2: gave his president whenever he was giving a State of

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Speaker 2: the Union, and he was like, oh, so you agree

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Speaker 2: we're not going to cut social security?

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Speaker 1: Got it right? No, it was a real up around

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Speaker 1: Republicans neck, I mean, Democrats across the country ran on

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Speaker 1: that plan. Because when you have the guy who's running

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Speaker 1: the Republican campaign putting out like, hey, we're going to

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Speaker 1: get rid of Medicare in a couple of years, that's

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Speaker 1: such a slam dunk, and everybody a lot of him

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Speaker 1: like political acumen. I guess we would say I don't

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Speaker 1: get it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm assuming there must have just been some

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Speaker 2: behinds seems to deal with Trump and Rick Scott, where

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Speaker 2: Rick was basically like, yes, sir, I'll do whatever you want,

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Speaker 2: you know, whereas John Thune and Cornyn I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: they won't do it, but it's just different. Like these

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Speaker 2: guys are Washington creatures. They've been in office since George W.

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Speaker 1: Bush.

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Speaker 2: You know, They've seen presidents come and go. They know

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Speaker 2: how to slow shit down, they know how to do

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Speaker 2: things if they need to, to obfuscate or to stop

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Speaker 2: things from coming to the floor. And traditionally this is

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Speaker 2: something about the Senate as an institution. Traditionally, the Senate

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Speaker 2: as an institution revers its own independence. And so what

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Speaker 2: they are very what they love more than anything is

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Speaker 2: their ability to do and take as much time as

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Speaker 2: they want to get what they see as important done,

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Speaker 2: whether it be confirmation, legislation, etc. That's literally their role

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Speaker 2: in the democratic process. And so it's understandable, but the

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Speaker 2: Senate always chafes at presidential control. The other thing about

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Speaker 2: you know, Rex Scott is last time I checked and

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Speaker 2: Michael Tracy flag this. Let's put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen. Rick Scott is a freaking Ukraine kahak. I

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Speaker 2: mean quote from Tracy. Rick Scott has consistently denounced the

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Speaker 2: administration for not arming Ukraine aggressively enough. His argument is

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Speaker 2: that Biden has imposed successive constraints on Ukraine and their

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Speaker 2: ability to defeat Russia. As Tracy says, I've interviewed Scott

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Speaker 2: myself multiple times and he's never been anything but consistent

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Speaker 2: on the subject. So when Magas declared that Scott and

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Speaker 2: Trump are in firm agreement, Ukraine would presumably have to

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Speaker 2: be one of them, correct. I mean, look, as usual

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Speaker 2: with all these actual parsing the details is very inconvenient,

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Speaker 2: But that's an important thing, you know, in terms of Ukraine,

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Speaker 2: that's one of those that Trump has made a flagship

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Speaker 2: promise to end the war in Ukraine. He's spoken now

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Speaker 2: with Vladimir Putin and woo Zelinsky will maybe talk a

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Speaker 2: little bit more about it tomorrow. But you know, if

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Speaker 2: he does end up approving more weapons to Ukraine and

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Speaker 2: continuing this war and not bringing it to a close

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Speaker 2: like he did with Afghanistan despite his promise, that would

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Speaker 2: be a huge betrayal honestly of a lot of the

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Speaker 2: promises that he made. So open question that Senate race

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Speaker 2: is on Wednesday, it's actually by secret ballot. That's kind

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Speaker 2: of interesting. And also the battle lines are very odd.

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Speaker 2: So like I'm pretty sure Josh Holly has not supported

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Speaker 2: Rick Scott this time around.

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Speaker 1: But I mean anytime in one of these bodies, you're

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Speaker 1: going to have things that are non ideological, that are

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Speaker 1: just like personal beefs. Yeah, there's so and so didn't

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Speaker 1: respond to you know, I mean, so you just don't

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Speaker 1: know who's who's done a better job like making friends

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Speaker 1: and being a nicey nice one.

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Speaker 2: Well, see, that's one reason I think Rick Scott may

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Speaker 2: have a problem is he pissed a lot of people

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Speaker 2: off last time because he ran against Mcconnaldy. Yes, he's

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Speaker 2: not particularly popular at least as I understand it within

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Speaker 2: the conference, you know, Thune and Corny and look, I

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Speaker 2: don't agree with these guys on basically anything. There is

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Speaker 2: like opposite as me as it gets on like every

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Speaker 2: subject and even on America first. But there is a

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Speaker 2: real bias in the Senate to just being around forever

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Speaker 2: knowing everybody having everybody's phone number. They've been the whip

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Speaker 2: and the number whatever the whip in the what's the

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Speaker 2: number one leader or something for you know, over a decade,

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Speaker 2: so they've been on the phone.

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Speaker 3: They know what pet issue.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Susan Collins wants a bridge in fucking Maine or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I raised money for you. I showed up, I called

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Speaker 1: in this favor, I got this donor to whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, corny, I mean, he controls a ton of oil

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Speaker 2: money in terms of the donors Thune. He's also very

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Speaker 2: popular on the big donor circuit and a lot of

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Speaker 2: these establishment types. That's a big question for Rick Scott.

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Speaker 2: I mean, can he raise money? Like I said, he

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Speaker 2: didn't do a very good job last time. One of

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Speaker 2: the reasons McConnell had such a stronghold on the conference

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Speaker 2: is he was kind of like Pelosi.

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Speaker 1: He was the conduit for billions.

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Speaker 3: Of dollars that were flowing from him.

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Speaker 2: So it is a big question. I have no idea

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Speaker 2: how it will go. I guess it's I mean, it's possible.

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Speaker 2: Ran Paul has come out for Rick Scott, but there's

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Speaker 2: enough of them that are silent that I'm wondering whether

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Speaker 2: they go in a different direction.

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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I don't think it really matters.

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Speaker 1: I think Trump has thoroughly bent the party to his will.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as evidence by we're about to talk about,

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Speaker 1: Trump is saying, Hey, anybody who's going to be majority leader,

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Speaker 1: they got to do recess appointments, which basically means that

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Speaker 1: you are giving up. If you are the Republican majority leader,

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Speaker 1: a big part of what your power and prestige is,

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Speaker 1: which is to oversee these confirmation hearings. And all three

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Speaker 1: of them instantly were like, Yep, we'll do that, no problem.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know that. I mean, I just think

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Speaker 1: it's probably at this point a distinction that doesn't really

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Speaker 1: make a difference. Yeah, they're going to do what Trump

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Speaker 1: wants them to do because they see where the party is, like,

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Speaker 1: there is no room for bucking this man when he

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Speaker 1: decides that he really wants something done. I guess the

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Speaker 1: case the opposite case is that there are many things

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Speaker 1: that Trump doesn't really engage on, and that's where perhaps

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Speaker 1: it makes the difference. But I just I don't know

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Speaker 1: that this fight is ultimately that important. In my opinion.

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Speaker 2: The case really matters is stuff like when Trump remember

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Speaker 2: pressured Mitch McConnell to nuke the filibuster to get the

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Speaker 2: border to bill through, stuff like that. Right where I

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Speaker 2: think Dune and Cornyn would be much more an institutionalists,

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Speaker 2: like we're not going to touch it, Whereas I think Scott,

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Speaker 2: at least from what I can tell right now, I

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Speaker 2: mean clearly like he's made a deal with Trump and

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Speaker 2: he's like, I'll do whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: It would be an interesting thing though.

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Speaker 2: Actually if he does, this would be the first Senate

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Speaker 2: leader to really be in subservience to the president you know,

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Speaker 2: a long time. You know, if we think I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to think back, I think it would have to be

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Speaker 2: back in the Reagan era. Maybe it's been a while

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Speaker 2: since you've had somebody totally in locks with that. Let's

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Speaker 2: go to the next part here. Oh yeah, this is

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Speaker 2: John Thune. Everybody will love this. He was on CNBC

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Speaker 2: and he's like, you know, Trump, I think he needs

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Speaker 2: to stay out of the race.

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Speaker 1: He shouldn't endorse at all. Let's take a lessen.

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Speaker 6: Is President Elect Trump involved and does he have a chosen.

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Speaker 1: Preference in the Senate?

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Speaker 5: Do you do you know, senator?

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Speaker 1: And will that come into play?

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Speaker 6: I don't. Well, I don't know that he does. I'm

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Speaker 6: staying in regular contact with him and with his team,

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Speaker 6: and you know, obviously, if he wants to, he could

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Speaker 6: exert a considerable amount of influence on that. But honestly,

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Speaker 6: I think my preference would be and I think it's

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Speaker 6: probably in his best interest to stay out of that.

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Speaker 6: These are Senate secret ballot elections are probably best left

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Speaker 6: to senators, and he's got to work with all of

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Speaker 6: us when it's all said and done. But whatever he

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Speaker 6: decides to do, that's going to be his prerogative. As

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Speaker 6: we know, we're going to have that election next Wednesday

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Speaker 6: and we'll have a new leader.

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Speaker 2: Right, So he's like, hey, I should stay out of it,

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Speaker 2: you know, just for everybody's best. Now, this gets to

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Speaker 2: what Crystal talked about. Let's put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen. Trump tweeted yesterday, any Republican senator seeking the

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Speaker 2: coveted leadership position in the US Senate must agree to

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Speaker 2: recess appointments, without which we will not be able to

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Speaker 2: get people confirmed in a timely manner. Sometimes the votes

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Speaker 2: can take two years or more. This is what they

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Speaker 2: did four years ago. We cannot let it happen again.

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Speaker 2: We need positions filled immediately. Additionally, no judges should be

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Speaker 2: approved during this period of time because the Democrats are

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Speaker 2: looking to ram through their judges as the Republicans fight

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Speaker 2: over leadership.

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Speaker 3: This is not acceptable, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Now, as Crystal said, all three of the candidates said

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Speaker 2: that they agreed. But you know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: logistical hurdles that can come in.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and I'm not exactly.

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Speaker 2: Sure how it would all work because Schumer still does

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Speaker 2: technically like control the Senate and so different now, so

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Speaker 2: he would have to acquiesce. There's no way the Democrats

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Speaker 2: are going to let that go through, right. They want

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Speaker 2: to reprove as many of these federal judges as possible.

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Speaker 2: This is game time for them. I also as this

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Speaker 2: is very nerdy, so I apologize. But there's something called

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Speaker 2: like pro forma session, which they're in right now, which

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Speaker 2: specifically prevents recess appointments. So you would have to get

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Speaker 2: the Senate majority to you know, agree to change the

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Speaker 2: parliamentary rules. I mean, look, it's theoretically possible. I guess

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Speaker 2: if Rick Scott did win the election, maybe he could

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Speaker 2: do a deal with Schumer. I don't really know. Why

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Speaker 2: Schumer would do it.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, and well, previously Obama used the recess

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Speaker 1: appointment's powers and it was deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court the way that he executed it. So I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: it's a different Supreme Court now, so who knows. They

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Speaker 1: may well be like, whatever Trump wants to do, we

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Speaker 1: can basically do. But to me, it was also like,

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Speaker 1: you have a fifty three forty seven majority, like, who

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Speaker 1: is it exactly that you don't think they're that you

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Speaker 1: want that isn't going to get confirmed because I just

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Speaker 1: think he has such a grip on this party. Now,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe Lisa Murkowski votes agains are Susan Collins,

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Speaker 1: but two votes, but you still have a you know,

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Speaker 1: three vote margins. So I think it's I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's going to have any problem with There's always wild cards.

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Speaker 2: People like people that nobody's ever heard of, Todd Young, right,

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Speaker 2: the guy who voted for empreachment, you know, from Indiana.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. And it's just he's so like at

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Speaker 1: this point, it's just so clear where the party is.

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree with you, but that's looks the Senate.

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Speaker 2: This is part of the reason that people have hated

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Speaker 2: the Senate for two centuries because they're annoying. Like, who else,

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Speaker 2: who's the doctor, the one who also voted for impeachment?

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Speaker 3: What's his name? The guy from Louisiana. I can't even remember, so.

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Speaker 2: The doctor, you know, whoever, however, the doctor votes Haggarty.

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Speaker 1: I think is his name.

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Speaker 3: I'll remember it in a second.

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Speaker 2: But there's just this wild cards all over in terms

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Speaker 2: of who they are. Barrasso, right, you know, you've got

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Speaker 2: folks like that who you know, sometimes they're maga, sometimes

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Speaker 2: they're not.

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Speaker 1: They all have their.

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Speaker 3: Own individual constituencies.

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Speaker 2: So I would not bet one hundred percent that Trump

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Speaker 2: is able to get everybody who he wants. I mean,

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Speaker 2: for example, from the reporting I've read like Trump wants

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Speaker 2: to appoint RFK Junior to HHS secretary, but he's like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he'll be able to make it

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Speaker 2: through conform So that is one too where you could see, right,

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Speaker 2: you could almost see like a weird right wing case

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Speaker 2: against Art where they're like, oh, he's just.

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Speaker 1: Liberal, and my god, the thing is that he's done

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Speaker 1: before is then okay, if they can't get confirmed, I'll

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Speaker 1: just make them acting Secretary and just basically leave them

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Speaker 1: there appartment.

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Speaker 2: He can, but it has a lot of legal problems

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Speaker 2: in terms of their authority and all that.

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Speaker 3: You can try and get around it.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm saying in terms of the agency, it causes

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Speaker 2: real chaos and there's a reason why, you know, people

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Speaker 2: wanted to get done. But we will see it is Look,

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Speaker 2: if they do go with Rick Scott, I think it's

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Speaker 2: a very positive sign for exactly what you're saying in

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Speaker 2: terms of Trump being able to get who he wants

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Speaker 2: through and a lot of personnel decisions will flow from that,

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Speaker 2: and also will flow in terms of whether they do

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Speaker 2: recess appointment or not and all of that.

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Speaker 3: So everybody stay tuned.

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Speaker 2: This stuff, I know can get a little in the weeds,

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Speaker 2: but it's very important because this is how the government's

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Speaker 2: actually gonna get run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and notably, you could put a nine up on

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Speaker 1: the screen elon coming in for Rick Scott. Yes, for

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Speaker 1: Senate Majority Leader. But yeah, so I mean a lot

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Speaker 1: of people closing ranks. The one thing that the other

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Speaker 1: guys have going for them is that it's a secret ballot.

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Speaker 1: So you know, anybody who votes against the will of

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Speaker 1: Trump and Musk uh, you know, as long as it

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Speaker 1: doesn't get out, they won't necessarily be punished. But like

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Speaker 1: I said, my assessment is basically like these guys have

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Speaker 1: already all been like, Okay, we'll do recess Appointment's no problem.

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Speaker 1: So I just think they're going to do what Trump

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Speaker 1: wants anyway, any of the three that gets put in there, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Very possible.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, there's still quite a few people

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Speaker 2: in the media who are trying to grapple with the

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Speaker 2: election results. One of them Sonny Houston over at the

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Speaker 2: View her explanation for the big Latino shift to the

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Speaker 2: right misogyny, racism.

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Speaker 7: Let's take a lesson what is wrong with this country

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Speaker 7: that they would choose a message of divisiveness, of xenophobia,

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Speaker 7: of racism, of misogyny.

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Speaker 1: Over a message of exclusiveness, a.

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Speaker 7: Message for the people, by the people, the people.

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Speaker 1: What the problem is in the publicular vote?

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Speaker 7: Sorry, but their Democrats have always been for the working exactly,

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Speaker 7: and the Republican.

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Speaker 1: Found it elitist.

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Speaker 7: You don't have that in the society.

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Speaker 3: But when you look at the.

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Speaker 8: But Joy, it's it's condescending. There is a there is

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Speaker 8: a condescending the way that the.

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Speaker 3: Left speaks to its voters.

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Speaker 7: It really is a message of joy and inclusiveness.

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Speaker 8: No, the message of not being educated, being dumb, and

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Speaker 8: what's wrong with America?

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Speaker 3: This is that that, Sonny?

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Speaker 1: Just what is wrong with America? Harris?

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Speaker 8: No, no, No, My point is, I don't blame Joe Biden.

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Speaker 8: I don't blame Kamala Harris. Go back as far as

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Speaker 8: you want.

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Speaker 1: I believe I.

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Speaker 8: Blame a messaging within the Democratic Party. You don't believe

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Speaker 8: the Republic And I just finished my point. Please, I

801
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Speaker 8: obviously have a problem. Anyone has a problem with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 8: The bear question should be yes, Sonny, why did they

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Speaker 8: vote for him in sweep?

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Speaker 3: Be interesting?

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Speaker 1: No, No, we need to be.

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Speaker 8: Introspective if we voted for Kamala Harris, we need to

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Speaker 8: say what didn't resonate with the voters.

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Speaker 3: So that's we're currently at.

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Speaker 2: And that's just one of many clips that we could

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Speaker 2: have shown you about where things are right now.

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Speaker 1: There's been a competition to figure out I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you guys thought there was a an Onion video

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Speaker 1: about like the race to figure out which minority group

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Speaker 1: to blame Democratic laws, and I was like, Wow, you

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Speaker 1: guys really are meeting the moment with that one, and

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Speaker 1: it's there's a whole content like, you know, white people

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Speaker 1: obviously voted for Trump by the largest margins, so they

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Speaker 1: could be to blame, but you know, men could be

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Speaker 1: to blame. Young men could be to blame. And it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think it's reasonable to suggest. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I think it's true that gender in particular plays a

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Speaker 1: real role in electoral politics. But if you are just

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Speaker 1: if your instinct is to blame the voters and not

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Speaker 1: do any sort of reflection on like the multi billion

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Speaker 1: dollar consultant grift complex that fails, or the Democratic leadership

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Speaker 1: which is consistently failed, or the people who circle the

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Speaker 1: wagons around Joe Biden even though he was on track

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Speaker 1: for a four hundred electoral College vote defeat. Like, if

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Speaker 1: that's your instinct, just get out of politics. You're not

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Speaker 1: If you think you're all been the Democratic you are not.

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Speaker 1: You are not helping the Democrats just by being like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's because Latinos are sexist. Some of those theme Latino

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Speaker 1: mann who voted for Donald Trump probably voted for.

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Speaker 2: Heller Cullinton back in twenty Not only not some of them,

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Speaker 2: almost all of them did vote, especially in those like

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Speaker 2: one of the places that she shouted out where Hillary

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Speaker 2: won by fifty and Trump won by now seventy five

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Speaker 2: and twenty twenty four literally voted for Hillary and they

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Speaker 2: actually voted for even higher margins for Barack Obama. So

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Speaker 2: it's like, come on, man, like what are we doing here?

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Speaker 2: This is the whole thing is ludicrous. And it's like

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Speaker 2: you said, this is just a way of not even

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Speaker 2: look at a certain point, Sonny is a pundit, right,

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Speaker 2: so maybe that's just like how she that's how.

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Speaker 1: She sees the world.

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Speaker 2: And I guess, like, okay, fine, but it's something because

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Speaker 2: that is an obviously ingrained part of the analysis of

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Speaker 2: a lot of the Democratic Party elite. And it's also

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Speaker 2: deeply convenient to the Grift complex, to the leadership and

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Speaker 2: to others, because then it's the voter's fault and it's

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Speaker 2: not ours.

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Speaker 1: Fine, it's not the Lowsy, it's not Schumer, it's not

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Speaker 1: Jamie Harris, and it's the voters. And like I said, like,

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Speaker 1: in a sense, I'm sympathetic because I understand that a

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Speaker 1: lot of women looking at you know, the policy landscape.

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Speaker 1: Of of course, Kamala Harris herself being a woman, and

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Speaker 1: people like Nick Fuenta is out there being like yay,

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Speaker 1: your body, my choice forever. Like I understand that sense

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Speaker 1: of like, wow, maybe this country just hates women, Maybe

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Speaker 1: they just don't really like women. And like I said,

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Speaker 1: I'd be lying if I said that I didn't think

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Speaker 1: gender played any role in this. But you also have

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Speaker 1: to you also have to really think about what moves

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Speaker 1: us forward, who is actually to blame for this state

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Speaker 1: of affairs? And if you're just you know, voters are

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Speaker 1: irritumably sexist and racists, then you may as well just

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Speaker 1: throw your hands up and give up, because in the

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Speaker 1: sunny hawse and worldview, those are like immutable characteristics that

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Speaker 1: can't be changed no matter what. So what are you

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Speaker 1: going to do?

871
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: I agree, and look on the gender cooint like you

872
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: just said, you know, for anybody out there's like oh

873
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: they just hate women, it's like no, it's like they

874
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: think about things very differently than you. And then maybe

875
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 2: you need to do a better job of onder standing.

876
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: I mean I felt that way right going into twenty

877
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: twenty two and I go who out there is a

878
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: Number one issue is abortion? I was like, you know,

879
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 2: what world are we living in Well, there are a

880
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: lot of people. Okay, So clearly I'm like, okay, as

881
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 2: a man, you know whatever for all these people, not

882
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: really something that I get. So that's not something like, oh,

883
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: these people only care about themselves. I'm like, all right,

884
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: I could emotively understand that.

885
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 3: Well, you should think about the.

886
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 2: Other way for people out there who are like, well,

887
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: you know, not necessarily. One third of the people who

888
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: voted for Donald Trump are pro choice, a full thirty

889
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: something percent of the people. He won the popular vote

890
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: in a country where there's some sixty five seventy percent

891
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: approval for roe versus weight as the consensus.

892
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: So how did that happen?

893
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 2: Is that because people hate women? Or are they multifaceted?

894
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: And they make choices based on the higherarchy of needs

895
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: and about which in way that they think is most

896
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: important and what's going to be the most impactful. And

897
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 2: so your job is to flip it around and say,

898
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: here's why this is important. Anyway, Let's get to the

899
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: congressional map and let's put this up there on the screen,

900
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: because I want to give everybody an update. So this

901
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: is currently where things stand right now. The projected number

902
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: of CT is two hundred and twenty seats for Republicans

903
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifteen seats for the Democrats. This honestly

904
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: might be the most interesting result because it does show

905
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: Republicans only one, you know, two seat majority there. That's

906
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: kind of a nightmare considering what's been going on right now,

907
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: all the Mike Johnson the speaker election which was crazy,

908
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: and you know, Matt Gates. And this gives a lot

909
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: of power to the Marjorie Taylor Greens.

910
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: Of the world.

911
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: It also actually gives quite a bit of power to

912
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: some of the swing state Republicans in New York and

913
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 2: elsewhere who barely hung on because they are gonna The

914
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: reason why I'm saying this is when the policy fights come.

915
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: This is where you are going to see that flex.

916
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: So for example, the salt tax and the salt capital

917
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: the New Jersey, New York people who, let's be fair,

918
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: you know, Trump just ran the ballot up dramatically in

919
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 2: all of the New England states, like they're going to

920
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 2: have a big bargaining ship for them. They're like, hey,

921
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: you got to give us something to go back to

922
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: our people. You're going to see the same in any

923
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: of the swinging districts. I think in what is it

924
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: in Orange County and elsewhere in California where you saw

925
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: some swing state races, You're going to see that in Nebraska.

926
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: I bet you that Don Bacon guy who held on

927
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: he's gonna whatever he wants.

928
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: In Omaha, I guarantee you he's going to get.

929
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: So there's gonna be quite a bit of jockeying and

930
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: stuff like that in the House. And it also will

931
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: be very precarious for the way things look policy wise,

932
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: because even though they do technically have a united government,

933
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: it will not be it will not be how it

934
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: traditionally is, which is very narrow Senate margin, very big

935
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: House margin. It's actually be flipped and that has very

936
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: interesting dynamics because the House is also where all the

937
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: revenue stuff has to originate from. So you're going to see,

938
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: you know, taxes, houseways, and means Committee where you have

939
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: a very very narrow margin. It will look differently and

940
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: a lot of the fights and the choke points are

941
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: going to be more in the House this time around.

942
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: Let's go and put up the Senate projections. We got

943
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: some final calls in these races, so we now know

944
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: for sure what the Senate map is gonna look like.

945
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 1: So in particular, you have Reuben Diego, who was able

946
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: to hold on narrowly win that Arizona Senate race over

947
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: carry Lakey. Also have Jackie Rosen over I always forget

948
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: the name of her freaking opponent, Sam Brown. Sam Brown,

949
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: I always want to say, Scott Brown's that guy from

950
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: MATS Justice.

951
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: Anyway, Do you mean Biden's ambassador to Australia?

952
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: Is that what he ended up in Australia? Didn't that? Anyway? Whatever,

953
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: So Jackie Rosen wins a narrow victory in Nevada, which

954
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: means that, you know, outside of Pennsylvania, which was very

955
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: close and I think headed to a recount with Bob Casey.

956
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: But I mean it looks like McCormick was able to defeat.

957
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 3: I mean the AP called the race for McCormick already, right.

958
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: I think it is close enough though that it triggers

959
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 1: a recount.

960
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: Very well if they want to, because Casey basically refused

961
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: to refuses to concede.

962
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: And so yeah, there's some beef.

963
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: Going on with a lot of the Republicans right now

964
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: because Joshua Peer, I think it's up to the governor's

965
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: discretion too, because it costs like two million dollars if

966
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: they do want to do a recount. So there's a

967
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: lot of pressure on CAZy to concede from the right.

968
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: I mean, he doesn't have to, don't want to, but

969
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: it could be a while until they.

970
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: Got Yeah, but a down McCormick is the is the

971
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: one Republican who was able to flip a swing state. Now,

972
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: Republicans picked up in West Virginia, no surprise, picked up

973
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: in Montana and obviously blocked any Democratic you know, Texas, Florida, Nebraska,

974
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: sort of dreams. But when you look at this, the

975
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: one thing that could be hopeful for Democrats and a

976
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: warning side for Republicans is Trump doesn't have a lot

977
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: of coattails. You know, Republicans narrowly hold onto the House,

978
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: make only one very close gain in terms of a

979
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: swing state in the Senate. And you know, the people

980
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: who like Carrie Lake, who were the most sort of

981
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: like Trumpian in their approach to politics, they haven't fared

982
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: particularly well. Like he is a singularly unique figure. And now,

983
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: assuming that there isn't a constitutional amendment, this will be

984
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: his last term in office. So one of the questions

985
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: for Republicans is if this politics holds up post Trump.

986
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: And there are some parallels with Democrats under Obama.

987
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 3: Yes, so a lot.

988
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: There were a bunch I'm talking hundreds of thousands of

989
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 1: people who voted for Donald Trump and then just left

990
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: the rest of the ballot empty, which is how people

991
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: like Jackie Rose and Reuben guiet Or are able to

992
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: get over the top. It's basically people who voted only

993
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: for Trump and no one else. Democrats faced a similar

994
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: dynamic under Obama, where you'd have people who were like,

995
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: yes to Barack Obama and I don't care about anything else.

996
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: And we know that with Obama. While he was very

997
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: good at getting himself elected and you know, had some

998
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: coattails as well, especially in two thousand and eight, he

999
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: had huge coattails, he ultimately ended up being very damaging

1000
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: for the Democratic Party. That's when you saw massive losses

1001
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: in rural districts and areas. They lost the House, they

1002
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: lost the SEM of course, they hand up the presidency

1003
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: over to Donald Trump post Obama. So you know, I

1004
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: don't want to do like my monologue today is about

1005
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: how doomed Democrats are. So I'm not doing a cope

1006
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: here but there is a question mark about how much

1007
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: this politics translates into the future when you do not

1008
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: have the singularly charismatic figure of Donald Trump at the

1009
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 1: top of the ticket. I think he outperformed every report

1010
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: publican Senate candidate in the country save for Larry Hogan.

1011
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: And yes, it's crazy only person I think that outperformed.

1012
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, and which makes sense.

1013
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 2: And you know, he's a Republican running in a blue

1014
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: state where he's already popular, so it's a pretty different but.

1015
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he was governor of the state. He

1016
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: really tried to like be very moderate, et cetera.

1017
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: Which, by the way, head of that workout for him,

1018
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: didn't work out for Trump.

1019
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it's lost pretty ton.

1020
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: I guess I am fascinated to see this in twenty

1021
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: twenty six because that is where usually thermostatic public opinion

1022
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: you have a big shift against.

1023
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: The ruling pack party.

1024
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're going to have a blowout election when

1025
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: you already have what the House right now where it is,

1026
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 2: it will be almost I mean, I wouldn't say certainly nothing,

1027
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: but you know, it looks likely that the Democrats would

1028
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: be able to reclaim it from what this map I

1029
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: looked at, the Senate is not in danger of flipping

1030
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 2: right now. In twenty twenty six, some truly crazy stuff

1031
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: would be have to happen. That said crazy stuff has happened.

1032
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: Let's think back two Democrats from Georgia. That's never going

1033
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 2: to happen, right, Well, what's the world that we're living

1034
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: in right now, so of course things can change. Everybody

1035
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 2: said in two thousand and four that the Democrats were dead,

1036
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: they'll never win again. Two thousand and six would freaking

1037
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 2: blowout elections, So yeah, you never know.

1038
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: Well, and everybody said Republicans were dead after two thousand

1039
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: and eight, right, And I mean, and they kind of

1040
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: worred it for a while, but then they came back.

1041
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: It was such a massive victory for Barack Obama. I'm

1042
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: going to one freaking Indiana, North Carolina, huge coach. And

1043
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: there were all kinds of Democratic candidates who were running

1044
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 1: like totally obscure, long shot campaigns with basically no funding,

1045
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: and then suddenly it's like, oh my god, I won.

1046
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 1: What the hell?

1047
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Harry Yells.

1048
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: Exactly in Virginia, like the Charlottesville area, and it was

1049
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: people like that Glen and I was another one in

1050
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: virgin I just happened to know the Virginia one as well,

1051
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: but down in Virginia Beach. But yeah, and then twenty

1052
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: ten was in Obama's words as lacking. So you know,

1053
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: we'll see. I'll save some of my commentary also for

1054
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's in my monologue whatever. I'm not saying

1055
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: Democrats are like electorally doomed. I think they can. You know,

1056
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance that you have. I think

1057
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: there's a good chance you have a backlash to Trump

1058
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, twenty twenty eight, who knows Trump

1059
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: won't be on the ballot. So we'll see what approach

1060
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: they take. But you know, they also the alarm bells

1061
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: are really ringing loudly because there's been such huge demographic

1062
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: shifts against them, you know, and if if they don't,

1063
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: if they don't stop the bleed, like they will be

1064
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: in a position of being basically a permanent minority, because

1065
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: if you're only winning college educated voters, like, that's only

1066
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: a third of the country.

1067
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're father, Yeah, absolutely, I will say again, in

1068
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: terms of the popular opinion and all the things change

1069
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 2: a lot, you know, So I just looked at nineteen

1070
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: eighty two was the popular vote margin of Democrats eleven

1071
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 2: point eight percent. So in nineteen eighty two, that's crazy

1072
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: in terms of House. Yeah, every tip O'Neill and all that.

1073
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you look, it was only when Gingrich came

1074
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: in that they lost the House. That's found the entire

1075
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: rea in terestry. They held onto the House.

1076
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: Right, So everybody just needs to remember, like things are

1077
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 2: not as clean as they may seem in retrospect, and

1078
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: that people in this country can change their mind a

1079
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: lot and wildly, and in fact, you know, the whole

1080
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: divided government thing, which I think is dumb, but there

1081
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 2: are a lot of voters who like it, right, because

1082
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: voters are like, well, I like checks and bounces. It's like, well, well,

1083
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: if you're going to vote for a president, don't you

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Speaker 2: know want the president to be able to do whatever they.

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Speaker 1: Want to do? But whatever people like.

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Speaker 2: People like the idea that not very much is going

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Speaker 2: to change, like a steady hand on the wheel, but

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00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: not too much. You know, it's somebody in the other side.

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Speaker 2: So we could see a swing in that direction. I

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Speaker 2: will say if twenty twenty six does go the way

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Speaker 2: that you were talking about or.

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Speaker 3: Are going to talk about your monologue.

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Speaker 1: That is a whole other.

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Speaker 2: Story, and that would be time for some serious retrospectives

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: So it's possible. It certainly is.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you don't screw up the economy, if

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Speaker 2: the economy starts doing really well, but in two years

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Speaker 2: and we have no war, Ukraine gets wrapped up if

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Speaker 2: they if we you know, hostilities in Gaza go down,

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00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: and you see gas prices ticked down, and you see

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Speaker 2: the FED which is naturally going to cut rates. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I could see, you know, or a GOP victory that

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Speaker 2: time around. Anything, anything is on the table. Let's move

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Speaker 2: on to another part of this. There's been a lot

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Speaker 2: of discussion about some of the issues that swung people

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Speaker 2: to Donald Trump. Obviously, the economy and immigration are there,

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00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: but some interesting new analysis says that also it could

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00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: be cultural issues, specifically transgender issues that had a major

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Speaker 2: impact on swing voters.

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Speaker 3: We had a clip here from CNN.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to play the kind of highlights this fight

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Speaker 2: within both elite media and elsewhere and how the issue

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Speaker 2: may be talked about now in the future.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listener.

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Speaker 6: I think there are a lot of families out there

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00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 6: who don't believe boys should play girls sports.

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Speaker 9: They're not boys.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to listen. I am not going to

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Speaker 1: girl a boy.

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Speaker 10: When you use.

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00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: Changed boys.

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Speaker 10: I'm not gonna sit there a second, because look, this

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00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 10: is a really heated issue, right And Michael, I know you.

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Speaker 10: I know that you understand that people have different views

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00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 10: on this, I think out of respect for Jay, like,

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00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 10: let's try to talk about this in.

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Speaker 1: A way that is respectful.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So let me rephrase this since I'm being targeted here.

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Speaker 10: I don't know you are not, but I'm specifically saying

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Speaker 10: that I know that you are not intending to be Transphoba.

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Speaker 1: He should know that.

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Speaker 9: But you want but I want you.

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Speaker 1: I want to give you regular people interpret it.

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Speaker 9: That's not just why it's not regular people. There's no

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Speaker 9: consensus that these are actually boys. This whole thing about

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00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 9: trans girls is a canard. It's we're talking about a tiny,

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Speaker 9: tiny sliver of the populations. Just hold on, Just get

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Speaker 9: to your point, my point in terms of its effectiveness,

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Speaker 9: regular people with children look at these things and they say,

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Speaker 9: you know what, this is a bit too far.

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Speaker 3: I do not agree with this.

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00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: I don't like this.

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Speaker 6: I think Democrats are going way too much to the

1145
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Speaker 6: left on social issues.

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Speaker 1: They're uncomfortable with it. A lot of people.

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Speaker 3: Believe that, a lot of families believe that. You may

1148
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Speaker 3: disagree with that reality.

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Speaker 9: But that's why Republicans kept.

1150
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Speaker 1: Running those ads over.

1151
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 9: And over and over again, because they saw the metrics

1152
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 9: suggested that in those ads over and over again and

1153
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Speaker 9: using rhetoric like you just use saying this is boys

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Speaker 9: playing girl sports.

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Speaker 10: Were talking about.

1156
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Speaker 9: Talking about trans girls playing playing being allowed to play

1157
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Speaker 9: with the people who are in their gender. And if

1158
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Speaker 9: you don't believe, you don't have to listen to me,

1159
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Speaker 9: listen to the American Medical Association, the American Psychological All.

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Speaker 2: Right, so preview of what culture War two point zero

1161
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Speaker 2: looks like. Now that this has happened, let's put this

1162
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Speaker 2: up there on the screen. This is really the genesis

1163
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Speaker 2: I think of why this is even worth discussing. So

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Speaker 2: this is from Blueprint, and this is we've used some

1165
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Speaker 2: of their polling and stuff before and they show the

1166
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Speaker 2: different issues that have animated different types of voters. So,

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Speaker 2: for example, if you look reason to not choose Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 2: the number one issue for all voters was inflation was

1169
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: too high under the Biden administration. Number two was too

1170
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: many immigrants illegally crossed the border under Biden Harris. So

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Speaker 2: that makes sense. But actually along the swing voters, this

1172
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: was Honestly, I was shocked by this. It says all

1173
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 2: swing voters, but specifically all swing voters who chose Trump.

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Speaker 2: It said Kamala Harris is more focused on cultural issues

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Speaker 2: like transgender issues rather than helping the middle class. That

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00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 2: was a plus twenty eight score on Blueprint. Now, look,

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Speaker 2: let's be clear. People are not always the best in

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Speaker 2: terms of why they vote, and I'm the most consistent

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00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: messenger on that.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not going to say that this is the

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Speaker 3: number one reason.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, I do think this is a vindication

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Speaker 2: at least somewhat of that ad that they them add

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Speaker 2: that they blanketed the entire state of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and

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Speaker 2: Wisconsin for considering the margin and also considering that we

1186
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: have some of this data here and also even some

1187
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Speaker 2: of the reaction within the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 3: So I'm curious what you think.

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Speaker 1: So I think that this type of analysis which I

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Speaker 1: have myself engaged in, which is basically like, let's focus

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Speaker 1: group and poll test and get the voters to tell

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Speaker 1: us in this paint by numbers way what we should

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Speaker 1: believe in. I think it is worse than worthless. I

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Speaker 1: think if you look at the campaign that the Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris team were actually put that chart back up on

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Speaker 1: the screen. They basically ran the campaign designed custom like

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Speaker 1: platonic ideal of the campaign that would be designed to

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Speaker 1: try to deal with these exact poll numbers. Inflation was

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Speaker 1: too high. Okay, let me talk about my price gouging plan.

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Speaker 1: Let me say I feel your pain. Too many immigrants

1201
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: illegally across the border. Oh, don't worry, I'm hawkish on

1202
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: the border. Now those other things I said in the past,

1203
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: like forget all about that. Actually, I really am like

1204
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: more aggressive and hawkish on the border than Donald Trump.

1205
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: Is too focused on cultural issues like transgender issues rather

1206
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Speaker 1: than helping the middle class. I am not even going

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Speaker 1: to say the word transgender in my entire campaign. Is

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Speaker 1: that true? I didn't know that. I mean not that.

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00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: I maybe once, but not that I recall. Okay, it

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Speaker 1: was certainly not. I'm not going to talk about my race.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk about my gender. I'm going

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00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: to run around the country with Liz Cheney and try

1213
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: to persuade you that actually, I'm just like basically a Republican.

1214
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: The only way I'm different from Biden's I'm actually further

1215
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: to the right. I'm to put Republicans in my cabinet.

1216
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: Like this is the campaign that Democrats ran, And it

1217
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: was an objective, clear cut, demonstrable failure. Because as much

1218
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: as I would like politics to actually work this way,

1219
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: because I have a bunch of poll numbers I could

1220
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: put up there about how popular Medicare for all is,

1221
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: and how popular minimum wage is and how popular are

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00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: you even do our blah blah blah blah blah. If

1223
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: that was the way politics actually worked, Kamala Harris would

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00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: be headed to the White House right now. Yeah, I

1225
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: think that's fair. Donald Trump ran around talking about Arnold

1226
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: Palmer's dick, the idea Democrats are the two divisive ones?

1227
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Trump is the most divisive figure

1228
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: in modern America politics. The lesson is not to be

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00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: less divisive. The lesson is actually to be more divisive,

1230
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: but around the correct lines. So what is Trump's division

1231
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: and what does he feed the division in the world

1232
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: view that he feeds into the narrative that he feeds

1233
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Speaker 1: into with everything he does. The limbus test for being

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00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: part of Donald Trump's party is the problems in your

1235
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: lives are because of immigrants, Democrats, cultural elites. I will

1236
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: save I will fix it.

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00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Those are the those are the litmus tests within the

1239
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: Republican Party. That is the worldview. It's one I disagree with.

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Speaker 1: I've talked a lot about it, but that is the

1241
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: worldview and is very clear cut worldview. So when you're

1242
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Speaker 1: talking about things like, you know, transgender issues, that fits

1243
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: into this idea from him. Cultural elites are trying to

1244
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: change you, indoctrinate your kids, take over your life, preach

1245
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: to you about what your values should be. When we're

1246
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: talking about the border, when we're talking about immigrants, these

1247
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: immigrants are going to come into your town. They're going

1248
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 1: to steal your jobs, they are going to drive up Again.

1249
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Speaker 1: I think all of this is incorrect, but it's it's

1250
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: clear cut, right, It is clear cut, and it is

1251
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: extremely divisive. So the problem is not the Democrats were

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00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: too tagget matcher. I don't even remember the last time

1253
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: Democrats talked about transgender issues at all. And it's not

1254
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: the Democrats were too far right or too far left

1255
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: or whatever. The problem is, they have no narrative. They

1256
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: do not have a divisive politics, at least not one

1257
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: that actually works. This is where Bernie Sanders was on

1258
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 1: the money. Okay, Occupy Wall Street. What's the division there?

1259
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: The ninety nine versus the one Bernie Sanders. What's the

1260
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: division the people broadly versus the millionaires and the billionaires.

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Speaker 1: That's what they need. And so you know the guy

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00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: who was like arguing with your Michael on there, who

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Speaker 1: I'm not really familiar with, Michaels. The part that he

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00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: said that was the most important and that should be

1265
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: coming out of Democrats' mouths when they're being pressed on

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Speaker 1: you know, transgender athletes or whatever is he said, this

1267
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: is a canard, and that's the important point. How does

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00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: the five transgender athletes in the country, how does that

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00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: impact you your ability to have a good life, earn

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Speaker 1: a good wage, et cetera. It's a distraction. It's a

1271
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: distraction from billionaire elites who want another tax cut, or

1272
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, Elon and Elon musk Case want another like

1273
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: government subsidy, taxpayer subsidized contract. That is what Democrats should

1274
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: be leaning into. They should be running away from it.

1275
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: They need their own divisive politics, and they need to

1276
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: throw out this like focused group poll tested bullshit because

1277
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: the paint by numbers way of like, let me just

1278
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: pull test my way into what I think is a

1279
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: popular program, utter and complete rejected failure.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think that any of that is necessarily

1281
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 2: wrong in terms of the focus group. But on the

1282
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I mean I do think it is

1283
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 2: clear that there is a reality problem the Democrats face.

1284
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: So what you were saying in terms of you know,

1285
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: ohmala day and run on it, it's like, yeah, but

1286
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, she literally did say she texted her

1287
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 2: dollars to you know, have gender transition surgery for illegal immigrants.

1288
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 2: That's objectively an insane thing to believe. Like these people

1289
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 2: ran around all throughout the January nineteen Yeah, yeah, Okay,

1290
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 2: Well I hope he bans it, you know, right now.

1291
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 2: And by the way, it looks like that's going to

1292
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 2: be a Day one agenda and so if anything is

1293
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 2: too much an idiot not to follow through. So that's something,

1294
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 2: but really what and also that was Commin's response, It

1295
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: didn't work. People get tagged because of the cultural milieu,

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00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 2: you cannot run. For example, in twenty twenty two, if

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Speaker 2: Republicans did not say the word abortion, would that not

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Speaker 2: mean that they still get tagged? And rightfully so with

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Speaker 2: the issue of abortion. Democrats basically completely changed their views

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Speaker 2: on gender after Obergefell and tried to shove it down

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00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: the mouths of American citizens. Dominated cultural elites have tried

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Speaker 2: to normalize this transgender ideology, legalize it in terms of

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00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 2: plugging little children full of castration drugs and puberty blockers.

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Speaker 1: And then they say that it's a canard.

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Speaker 2: It's not a like thousands of children actually have been

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Speaker 2: chemically castrated in this country.

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Speaker 3: That is crazy. Now, Is it the number one issue?

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00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 2: No, but clearly a lot of people are very concerned

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Speaker 2: about it. And I think you know at this point

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Speaker 2: there is a bit of a mandate on the issue

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Speaker 2: because it's one of those where it gets to the

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Speaker 2: fact that multi racial groups men, women, young, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: do feel as if these issues are have the more

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Speaker 2: of an importance in the democratic mind. And what I

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Speaker 2: would mean by that is, I remember I had this

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Speaker 2: big fight with some progressive on rising back in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, look, simple question, could you ever

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Speaker 2: support Medicare for all if it didn't include trans answer surgeries?

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Speaker 2: And they wouldn't answer the question, And like, I think

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Speaker 2: that says the whole ballgame. Could you ever support medicare

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Speaker 2: for all if it did not cover abortion?

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Speaker 1: That's again the same thing.

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Speaker 2: So if that's true for you, then you don't support

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Speaker 2: you know, or then you do think cultural issues are

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Speaker 2: the most important. If you would deny healthcare, you know,

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Speaker 2: to what ninety nine point nine percent or whatever the

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Speaker 2: US population and put it at risk because it doesn't

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Speaker 2: support your transition surgery or abortion, It's like, well, then

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Speaker 2: you do care more about the cultural issue than you

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Speaker 2: do the so called economics.

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Speaker 1: But you're you're actually, in a sense making my point

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Speaker 1: because I do think that should be flipped. So I

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Speaker 1: think the limbis here, the litmus tests in the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party should be things like billionaires should not exist, we

1335
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: should tax the rich war right, they should be clear

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Speaker 1: like economic populist, class war. Those should be the litmus tests,

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Speaker 1: and then outside of that there should be a lot

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Speaker 1: more flexibility on their ques. I'm not talking about what

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Speaker 1: is I'm critiquing what is I'm saying it is the

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Speaker 1: opposite of what it should be, because instead it's we're

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Speaker 1: going to be the coalition of Dick Cheney and Mark

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Speaker 1: Cuban and Taylor Swift and Bernie Sanders. And that doesn't

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Speaker 1: make any goddamn sense. Okay, that is not a There

1344
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: is no division in there that makes any kind of

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Speaker 1: rational or electoral sense. So on the specific question of

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Speaker 1: like transgender issues, a couple things I would point to.

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Speaker 1: Number one, in states where those theay them ads ran

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Speaker 1: and they were had to head. You know, these are

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Speaker 1: the battleground states where the campaigns were spending all of

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Speaker 1: their money and Kama's was running this actually like pretty

1351
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: good class Trump's a billionaire doesn't look out for you message.

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01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: She narrowed the gaps significantly. She outperformed in those states

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Speaker 1: where the they them ads were being run versus the

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Speaker 1: rest of the country. So there's that. And the other

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01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: piece is Democrats ran around this whole country this whole

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Speaker 1: year castigating college students, says too woke and too out

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Speaker 1: of touch, etc. I just am not sure that there's

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Speaker 1: any war to be gained from that sense of politics,

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Speaker 1: sort of politics, because ultimately there's always going to be

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Speaker 1: some pink careed college kid out there who's saying, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're introducing themselves with their pronouns and doing

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Speaker 1: a land acknowledgement to be like, see, the wokeism got

1363
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: them again. Kamala ran the plutonic ideal of the campaign

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Speaker 1: that you know, the popularists who say just avoid this

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Speaker 1: stuff altogether, that they would suggest, you know, I've been

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Speaker 1: saying the same thing on immigration, Like, I think it

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Speaker 1: was a dramatic political and moral but political failure for

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Speaker 1: them to just feed the ground to the Republican worldview

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Speaker 1: and say, you know what, you're right about everything. Immigrants

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Speaker 1: actually are bad. Because guess what if that's the worldview,

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Speaker 1: Republicans are going to win every single time. If the

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Speaker 1: worldview is actually transgender, you know issues are the number

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Speaker 1: one issue and cultural elites are trying to like trans

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Speaker 1: your your little boy. If you accept that framing, guess

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Speaker 1: what Republicans are going to win every single time. How

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01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: about instead saying, you know what, just like it shouldn't

1377
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Speaker 1: be the state telling women what they can do with

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Speaker 1: their bodies, It shouldn't be the state telling transgender people

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Speaker 1: what they can do with their bodies.

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Speaker 3: What about children? But the children is the main question,

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Speaker 3: and that's it.

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Speaker 1: Families, Doc, nobody complicated. I don't think that Donald Trump, yes, they.

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Speaker 3: Actually actually you fringe character.

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Speaker 1: But even Trump, even Trump, now you know, one of

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Speaker 1: his first executive orders he says he's going to is

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Speaker 1: making sure that you know, all federal government forms just

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Speaker 1: reflects male female and it's a biological sex. What I'm

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Speaker 1: saying is that's not just about kids. That's about saying

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Speaker 1: basically the message there, and I don't think it's like

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Speaker 1: all that important, but the message there is that trans

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Speaker 1: people are not real. They don't exist.

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Speaker 2: No, it's say, your biological sex is assigned at birth.

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Speaker 2: Transgender people, what are the trans people or what are

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01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 2: the transpropagandas always tell us, transgender people have existed forever, Well,

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Speaker 2: you existed whenever the male female form was on there

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Speaker 2: is it so important.

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Speaker 3: For you to have a form.

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Speaker 1: But I just finish, actually that they're the crazy people.

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Speaker 1: It's not that critical of an issue. There should be

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Speaker 1: flexibility on it within the Democratic coalition. But what I

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01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: will not abide is people like you know, Seth Moulten

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01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: and Tom Swazi who came out immediately, were like, actually,

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Speaker 1: I'm on the side of the Republicans when it comes

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Speaker 1: to who just their immediate instinct is to throw transgender

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Speaker 1: people under the bus. Now, think of how convenient that

1406
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: is for Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris herself,

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Speaker 1: the entire Democratic consultant grift complex. Think of how convenient

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01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: that is. It does not hurt a single donor to

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Speaker 1: throw transgender people under the bus. It does not hurt

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Speaker 1: a single Democratic elite. They've been throwing transgender people under

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Speaker 1: the bus for years now. At this point does not

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Speaker 1: hurt them one bit at all. So listen, I am

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01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: all open to having more I don't think they should

1414
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: be doing the word policing. I think there should be

1415
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: more flexibility and cultural issues. I think the limits test

1416
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Speaker 1: should be around economic populism. That's where the divide belongs.

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Speaker 1: But no, if your first reaction is to throw some

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Speaker 1: of the most powerless people in the country under the bus,

1419
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: you have no spine, no character, and you are running

1420
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: cover for the current status quo of the Democratic Party

1421
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: and nothing will ever change.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I just disagree with that completely.

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Speaker 2: I mean the idea that trans people are the least powerful,

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Speaker 2: I mean they're the most powerful.

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Speaker 3: They ruled our politics for years.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these people are noting your fringe gieology.

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Speaker 2: Look onto all of us there to look.

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Speaker 1: At their income, look at their health outcomes, look at

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Speaker 1: their life expectancy, look at their suicide rates. Like that's

1430
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:01,919
Speaker 1: a preposterous view of the world.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, a lot of that whole, a

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01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 2: lot of those stats around that population changes because the

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Speaker 2: population is dramatically increased, and there's quite a lot of

1434
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 2: people who are either autistic or mentally ill or somehow

1435
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 2: convinced that they're trands.

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Speaker 1: So that's number one.

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Speaker 2: It's actually I'm very curious to see how the rates

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Speaker 2: go whenever we actually get this stuff out of schools.

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Speaker 2: My prediction it'll be just like anarexia. It'll be a

1440
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 2: social contagent phenomenon. It's going to plunge, which it was

1441
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 2: all bullshit and fake in the first place. But second

1442
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 2: is that if you look at this whole, like uh

1443
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 2: this transgender at people.

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Speaker 1: Under the bus, I mean, same thing.

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01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,479
Speaker 2: It's like, if is it really quote unquote throwing people

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01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 2: under the bus to say that you biologically however sex

1447
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 2: you're born in, that's the league of sports that you

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Speaker 2: have to play, Like, how is that throwing people under

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Speaker 2: the bus.

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01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: Because because you know what, I yeah, putting the how

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01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: you feel about the issue aside, because I don't even

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01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: this is my point. I don't give a shit about

1453
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: the issue. I genuinely don't. I don't think it's important

1454
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: at all, which is why if you are making that

1455
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: your main analysis of what went wrong here for Democrats,

1456
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: it is wildly dis honest and lacking in any sort

1457
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: of courage or moral character. So Seth Moulton put out

1458
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: his little statement and one of his staffs resigned.

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Speaker 3: The seven please will put it on the screen.

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Speaker 1: And you know what that stuffor is correct to resign.

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01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: Not because of the specific position that he took. They

1462
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: are correct to resign because it displays such a lack

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01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:24,919
Speaker 1: of courage and character to go to the easiest, easiest,

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01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: you know target here who has no defense against you.

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Speaker 1: You don't have a word to say about Jamie Harrison.

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Speaker 1: You don't have a word to say about the two

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Speaker 1: billion dollars that are now lining the pockets of the

1468
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Speaker 1: consultant grift complex. You don't have anything to say about that.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I find this despicable. It's not even

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01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: about the issue. I don't give a shit about that issue.

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Speaker 1: That's what and that's what Democrats should be saying. That's

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Speaker 1: what they should be saying. But it has to be

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Speaker 1: a part. So I'm not even saying that transition had

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with this, because Trump had a coherent

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Speaker 1: frame and transgender issues and the border and all of

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01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: these other things that would part of the frame. Kama Harrison.

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Speaker 1: Democrats have a laundry list of issues no one remembers

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01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,439
Speaker 1: and no one gives a shit about because they don't

1479
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: believe they're actually going to do anything with regard to

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01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: those issues. They need a divisive politics. They need to

1481
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: be more aggressive in fighting and laying out their worldview

1482
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 1: because if you're constantly just capitulating to the Republican worldview,

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01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: guess what people are going to vote for Republicans. If

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01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: you are not credible that you are going to go

1485
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 1: after the economic elites who are actually responsible for so

1486
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: much of the pain in the misery of this country,

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Speaker 1: then yeah, they're going to vote for the side that

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Speaker 1: actually does have a narrative. So that's why I say,

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Speaker 1: just to go back to the original chart we put

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. You know, I am someone who

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01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: like I have been that person who's been like, guys,

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01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: look at how popular progressive policy issues are, Like, you

1493
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: just need to talk about medicare for all. You just

1494
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: need to talk about these things. And that is not enough.

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01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: It has to fit into a clear, credible narrative with

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01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: here and villains, and that is where the real problem is.

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01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: It's not some like you know, people said woke stuff

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Speaker 1: and back in twenty twenty, Oh, you know we should

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Speaker 1: have tacked a little bit this way on that issue

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Speaker 1: or whatever. No, you are lacking a story that makes

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01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: any goddamn sense to anyone in this country. That's what

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01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: has to be fed.

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01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 3: I think I understand a bit better.

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01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get what you're saying in terms of if

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Speaker 2: you're going to say this as is respect to Yeah,

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01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it would be like if the Republicans lost

1507
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, well, Trump is the only reason

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01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 2: that we lost, and.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I think if abortion would have been

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Speaker 1: a pretty big one.

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Speaker 2: It would be like the idea of trying to preserve

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Speaker 2: like unpopular parts of coalition without blaming any of the

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Speaker 2: people who are really responsible.

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Speaker 3: So I do understand it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious because I'm not sure if any of this

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Speaker 2: exists within the party, which is a good segue to

1518
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 2: the next part about Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 1: Versus it doesn't.

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Speaker 3: It's defin for right now, I don't see a single well.

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Speaker 2: The other problem is, you know, before we even get

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Speaker 2: to the whole Bernie thing, one of the things Matt

1523
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Speaker 2: carp keeps talking about is that, you know, Democrats performed

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Speaker 2: what is it better with households over one hundred k

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01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 2: as opposed to a households.

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Speaker 3: Under one hundred k? They voted for Trump.

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Speaker 2: I mean, then the truth is that people who make

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01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 2: over one hundred k are predominantly well educated and have

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01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,919
Speaker 2: more far left to views on immigration transition. In fact,

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Speaker 2: they think those are the most important stuff, and they

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Speaker 2: don't want to hear nothing about you know, taxation or

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Speaker 2: any of that. And so that actually might be one

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Speaker 2: of the bigger coalitional fights.

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Speaker 1: Of course, of course, if Democrats are going to win again,

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Speaker 1: they have to go to war with their donor base,

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Speaker 1: and we all know how likely that is to happen.