WEBVTT - Drive Time: Calais Campbell Interview and Film Review 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:05.960 To I Remove Gall and Deep Speedways Past Hell. From 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:10.400 the Baptist Health Studio inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:18.440 This is Drivetime with Travis Wingfield. He's gone my hands 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:25.200 in the playoffs? What is up? Dolphins? 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:28.800 And welcome to the Draft Time Podcast. I am your host, 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:32.000 Travis Wingfield. And on today's show, it is a busy 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:36.720 one and just like Steve Balmer, whoa pretty cool I 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:38.920 am just fired up to be here because we have 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:41.960 two signings to break down and a chat with one 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:43.599 of said signings. 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:46.240 Kalaias Campbell is here. He is glorious. 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:48.600 We're gonna break down his tape and talk to the 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.920 six time Pro bowler and Walter Peyton Man of the Year, 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:55.000 assessing how he fits in with this Dolphins defensive front. 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.800 Then we'll move back to the defensive backfield and evaluate 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.240 Marcus May's fit here with your Miami Dolphins. From the 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.760 Baptist Health Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:06.640 This is. 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:14.640 The Drive Time Podcast, my chat with the Great Kalais Campbell. 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.160 Join usday on the podcast. A man who really needs 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:20.360 no introduction will do it anyways. Kalaias Campbell, a big fellow. 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:21.960 Welcome, home. Man, how's it phill be back here in 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:22.600 South Florida. 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.000 It feels good. It feels really good, you know, really 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:25.720 happy to be here. 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:27.360 There's so many things I want to discuss with you, 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.560 but I guess we'll start with that, the homecoming, right, 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.840 Because you had options different teams. Maybe you also could 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:34.480 have called it a career with an eye towards Canton 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:36.280 in five years down the road, but you didn't do that. 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.400 Have another year here with the Miami Dolphins. My question is, 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:41.000 why why do you want to come down here? 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:45.399 Well? Well, first of all, playing football. You know, I 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:47.480 could have retired, but I definitely felt like I saw 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.240 some good ball left in me and I just want 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:51.840 to go out there and just I mean just leave 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.240 it on the field, you know. And I mean what 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:56.560 better place to do it than in Miami with a 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.760 team that's stacked, you know, roster's top to bottom stacked, this, 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.080 I mean super stacked. You got the you know secondary, 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.560 you know, the offense putting up points, whatay it did 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:08.200 last year? If we can just get you know a 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:09.640 little bit of at it again, I mean I thought 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.120 this could be a real big year. And you know, 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.200 just the people here, you know, I mean especially Anthony Weaver. 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.120 You know, he's a guy of a great relationship with 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:20.040 a lot of respect for as a defense coordinator. You know, 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:22.520 I was hoping he got a head coaching job this year, 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:25.200 but when that didn't work out, you know, I was 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.040 happy that, you know, he got the d C role. 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:30.480 And you know, this is such a great place. When 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:32.720 I went through my list of teams of you know 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:34.400 I would play for, this is number one of my 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.240 lists and so you know, some other teams got evolved 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.360 in you know, miss interest and pitches and definitely made 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.359 interesting for sure, But in the end, you know, it 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:45.760 was the relationships with the coach were you that really 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.079 made it made a big difference, And just the people 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.640 here that I met on my visit, and then just 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:53.400 knowing the guys on the field man this roster stacked, 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:54.760 and knowing that I think I can add a lot 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:55.760 of value in a lot of ways. 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:57.399 Yeah, I do want to come back to coach Weaver 0:02:57.440 --> 0:02:59.639 because obviously the connection there is strong. But I'm curious 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.160 to ask because you mentioned the idea of winning, and 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.040 this team, you know, has won a lot of games 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:05.760 the last four years, but hasn't gotten over that you know, 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.560 proverbial hump, and you've been part of different teams, different 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.200 building cycles. The first year Super Bowl, you guys kind 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.079 of go back a few years later to the NFC 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.320 Championship game down the road with the Cardinals. You go 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:16.720 to the Ravens team and you get them over the hump. 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:18.840 You can't get the Jaguars deep into the playoffs. What 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.000 do you think you add in terms of helping a 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.600 team that's kind of there on the precipice make that 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:24.200 next step. 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:28.160 Experience, you know, experience is huge, you know. I mean 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.160 I haven't won the Super Bowl. There's guys like Shank 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:34.200 Bearry who have you know, and Jayla Ramsey, you know, 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.440 but there's there's definitely a you know, a good mix 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.520 of guys who've had a lot of successions league. But 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.360 for me, you know, I feel like I'm you know, 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.120 still super hungry because I haven't you know, gotten to 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.280 that that mountaintop just yet. But I have played the 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.800 three championship games, you know, and have been a part 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:56.960 of some really talented defenses, and you know, I feel like, uh, 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.520 you know, I take great pride in being the leader 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:03.200 and is knowing like you know, how to bring the 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:05.240 best out of everybody around me, you know, And so 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:07.560 that's something I've got to do my best at, you know, 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:09.880 is trying to just you know, put you know, put 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:13.520 put together just a good messaging, you know, going with 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:15.760 the coaches say, trying to get guys to buy in 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:17.280 and just you know, give they're all. But when you're 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.640 just talented and you can get guys to buy in, 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:21.600 you know, I mean, you know, we're gonna win a 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:23.080 lot of ball games, you know, if we can just 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:24.800 lock in and play with that kind of focus that 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.800 you need. But at the same time, though, I mean, 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:29.159 you got to earn it every day. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:29.440 You know. 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.160 It's not gonna be easy, you know, and so uh 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.240 but I do believe that, you know, what I bring 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:40.640 is just a unique perspective of with with experience of 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:42.720 of just you know, getting guys to to buy into 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.560 the bigger picture, sacrifice self, you know, check ego out 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.400 the door, and uh and do what's required to win 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:48.960 ball games. 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.280 So that leadership aspect that you mentioned, it's apparent in 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.240 your career have done it as so many spots. Now 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:55.440 when you come into a new organization and you are 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.800 the new guy, how does that kind of change your 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.320 approach to leadership, do you kind of ease your way in? Like, 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.080 what's your approach to being a leader on a brand 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:02.840 new football team? 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:04.680 Yeah, you know, you got to earn the respect of 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:06.600 the guys, right. You can't come in and say I'm 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.760 the leader now, you know. I mean, uh, you know, 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.640 especially like in my my current situation. You know, I'm 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.120 you know, the agent vet. You know. Now, I still 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.039 think I got some great football. I mean, you know, 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.640 you know, I think sometimes you know, but when you're 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.360 coming to a new a new place, you know, you're 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.320 not the high paid, top free agent, you know. I mean, 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.240 people are really looking to you to be a leader. 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.239 But because of my history and you know, my relationship 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:31.799 with some of the guys are already on the team, 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:34.520 I feel like, you know, uh, you know, it's just 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:38.800 earning the respect, earning the respect, showing them that you 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:40.520 know that you know that you know I can still 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.440 play at a high level, but also showing them that, like, 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:45.680 you know, I just I believe, you know what it 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.520 takes to be successful and if we can all believe 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.080 that same thing, you know. But I think when you 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:51.600 go to a new team, though you don't really want 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.400 to come in and you know, I think you know, 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:55.960 for me coming into a new team, first time I 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:57.600 want to do is just lead by example, go out 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:00.880 there and compete at a high level and just you know, uh, 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:02.400 you know, go out there and just play out the 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.280 standard that's worthy of being a champion. And I think 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.720 that's contagious in the self, because energy is contagious. Every 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:09.920 time you go out there, you know, somebody's either bringing 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.280 you down or you're bringing them up, you know, depending 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.440 on who you are and how hard you're going. And 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.440 so uh that that level right there by itself is 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:19.640 going to make a difference. But then also feel like, 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.080 you know, just like kind of like with my experience 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.240 and knowing what to say in moments and being in 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:25.800 pretty much every situation you can be in on the 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.200 football field. You know, I played in every big game. 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.120 You know, I understand like the process and the preparation 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:32.520 and all of stuff that goes into it. I think 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:34.520 that's where it really comes a big deal when we 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.480 getting those big games and we're in moments and sometimes 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.200 something needs to be said. You know, a lot of 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:40.640 times in my experience, I know what needs to be 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:42.000 setting those moments, and that's why I feel like it's 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.880 going to be a big deal. But at the same time, though, 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:46.919 I mean, there are other guys on this team that 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.080 I think are going to be great leaders too. And 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:50.960 you know, one of the things I've been doing later 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.279 in my career is trying to you know, you know, 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.279 my version of leading is helping younger guys with big 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.040 voices and with the right makeup to be good leaders, 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.200 helping or stimming to becoming more leaders. You know, last year, 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.240 you know, you know, when I was in Atlanta, Jesse Bates, 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:09.560 who's you know, all pro superstar safety, big money guy, 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.120 and I you know, we competed each each other when 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.000 I was in Baltimore, he was a Cincinnati. I always 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.160 knew what he can do. Uh you know, you know, 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:19.520 he started kind of being that vocal leader on the team, 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:21.760 and I remember we have put in conversations where he 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:23.360 was like, and thank you for challenging me and get 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.400 me to speak more because I seeing that he understood, 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.920 you know, what it meant to win and what it 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.160 was a take to win, and he knew what to say. 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:33.040 He just needed to be you know that. You know 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:34.120 the same thing happened to me when I was a 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.520 young buck, you know, like I became, and a resulta 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:38.400 like had your guys saying like, hey, you guys, speak 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:39.680 up more. You know, you got to be the guy 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:41.600 people are looking to you. You know, you got to 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:43.120 be the one. So that's part of it too, is 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.280 just finding the guys on the team who have the 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:49.040 natural born leadership qualities and helping them you know, realize that. 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.440 So no, yeah, it's great. 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.080 I think it's a good fall to the sex question 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:56.120 because the communication aspect of defense is so critical in 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.440 any part of football really. But and watching you know 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:00.520 your tape for one, which is a blast for me. 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:02.360 I love watching your game, but also a lot of 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.760 the breakdowns you've done, like with Brian Balding your for instance, 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.080 who I think is just the world of his his breakdowns, 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.160 Like they show off your ability to mention the or 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.360 to notice these fine details and how they really inform 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.520 your game, like splits motions down in distance, anything that 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.360 you can use to help you get an extra step. 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:19.480 I'm curious when it comes to being a vet leader 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.160 that has that nuance and has that experience and knows 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.360 you know this, if this guard wants to reach me, 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.560 maybe opens up a backside b gap for a linebacker, 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.440 whatever the case may be. I'm curious how you communicate 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.120 those nuances to other players, Like how can your experience 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.480 help create advantages for your teammates in that same regard. 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:37.680 Yeah, you know, a lot of it is communication and 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.880 prep work, you know, and then even being able to 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.320 communicate in game, you know, and so like there's a 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.760 process of watching tape this week. These guys like to 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.960 do whatever. You know, example, you want to give and 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:51.319 this sob I want to play it, you know, so 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.240 this you should play off me, you know, talk with 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.280 the linebackers or guys on the edge or you guys 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:57.960 in the middle or whatever it may be. There are 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.400 so many circumstances you go through. But was all the 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.800 time where like we're talking throughout the week, Hey, this 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.160 is what they like to do when they you know, uh, 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.440 you know, get down and they're in the pinchlet's their 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.000 bread and butter. And when they come to this play 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:11.439 like this time a play and we can make this 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:12.959 play the backfoot if we play it this way. And 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:14.959 a lot of that is wild, like Coach Weave too, 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.360 because you know, he's in those conversations and he's like yeah, man, 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:18.959 you know, they take control of how do you want 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:20.839 to play? It was trying the same page, make sure 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:22.199 we're all on line. So when I hurt each other 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:24.680 and then mu'st play it that way. And then in game, 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:26.520 you know a lot of times too, it's like okay, 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.400 you know, because everybody game plans and each week they're 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:31.360 kind of going with, you know, three or four things 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.440 that it's like new for that week, you know, and 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:36.319 so once you kind of get in the middle of 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.080 the game, you know, you see what they're trying to 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.760 do to you. You know, you start you know, talking about, hey, 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:42.440 you know, I spun up playing it this way, but 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:44.400 that's not working. Let's adust im gonna start playing it 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.840 this way. And so when you see this, you know, 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:48.360 just go this way or whatever it may be. There's 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.000 so many examples you can give, but that happens a lot, 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.000 and that's where the experienced places have been wrong. You know, 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:54.920 I had a lot of reps. I don't know how many 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.040 games have played, but it's a lot, and you know, 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:58.880 and in those games, a lot of reps, you know, 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:00.079 so I didn't see in everything you can do on 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:01.680 the football field. I mean, if they come up with 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:03.200 something new, I'd be shocked. 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.000 I'm glad you mentioned it because I have the numbers 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:07.760 here for you because they blow me away. So a 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:11.360 sixteen year career, you average seven hundred and sixty snaps 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:13.760 per season. Are you aware of how crazy that is 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.000 for for a defensive lineman, Like guys don't play that 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.960 many snaps, especially for sixteen years. Your career can drive 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.080 at this point, and you play more snaps than most 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:22.800 guys in every single year. 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.040 So my question is what is the secret? Man? 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.240 Like the nutrition, the workout, how do you stay so 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.200 durable and so you know, available for so long? 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:32.440 I mean, I do all the things that you have 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:37.760 to do to get availability. But I think you know, 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:39.920 when it comes to like most of this is like 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.480 just the busts from above, right, God has busted me 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:46.079 because you can go through all the right things. I 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.240 don't think it's really going to matter, if you know, 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:50.440 if it's just you know, it's a lot of football fortune, 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:52.880 right just you know, I've been in some BASD situations 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:54.920 get rolled up on and Okay, I got I got 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:56.960 through just barely. You know that could have been ugly, 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.000 you know, you know, I mean so many beast sedoas 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.320 on the football field, and it came through an other side. Good. 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:04.160 But I do spend a lot of time and resources 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.559 on my body. I do work with a lot of specialists. 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.760 I mean I literally last year had you know, six 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.240 different people coming in flying in from different cities that 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.360 were specialists and something working on my body with me, 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.280 you know, weekly, I got all the machinery you know 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.599 that that you know over the years from you know, 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.480 Aberbartic Chambers and you know all you know, just cool 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.240 things that exists out there to help you know, recovery 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.560 and speed all that up, you know, and you know, 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.040 I just but I feel like, you know, I alwuld 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:34.559 encourage young guys when they're trying to like how do 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.040 you take care of your body? Is like try it, 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:37.400 you know, all the things that is this out there 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:38.720 and figure out what works for you. Because there are 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.079 things out there that I tried to I don't really 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:42.560 feel the difference, so it doesn't really work for me. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:44.600 And there's things where it's like other guys like that 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.200 worked for you that didn't really work for me, But 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.880 for me, use everything you know, so you know, everybody's 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.120 body is different, and learning your body learning what works 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.839 for you. But I've put a lot of time and 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.400 effort and a lot of resources and to figure it 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:57.960 out what works for my body. And I got a 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.839 good routine going and right it it will fallow off. 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:01.320 You found it. 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:02.920 You found out what works for you perfectly, because like 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:04.800 I said, it's it's just doesn't happen in this league 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.559 to do to have that type of longevity and durability. 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:09.559 So you've alluded to coach Weaver a few times, I'll 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.319 just go ahead and ask you straight up, like what 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.439 does he do to empower you and your teammates to 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:14.600 get the best out of a defense? 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.080 Yeah, well, a lot of things. Honestly, I think he's 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:20.240 a brilliant football mind, another football junkie. I mean we 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:25.240 could talk football for hours, you know, and you know, 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.920 but the history of the game, you know, different you know, techniques, 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:32.000 different ways of doing things, different schematics. You know how 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.719 you know some of these tweaks on different semantics. I mean, 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:36.000 you know, there's only so much you could do on 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:37.760 the football field, especially as a office lamon trying to 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:39.880 block somebody. I mean, there's only so many ways you 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.200 can move, you know, you can try to add some 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.600 variations to things with like camp placement and you know, 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.400 different ways and stuff. But at the end of the day, 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.839 there's a football you know, like so much you can do. Uh. 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.600 But you know, we talked through all those different scenarios 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.800 and I think the best thing about him as a 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.760 coach is, I mean, he's his football allows for him 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.199 to understand the players at a high level. So when 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:06.120 we come and have conversations from an intellectual standpoint about 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.319 the game, you know, he's not, you know, super compative. 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.120 And there's other coaches that also listen to players and respond, 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.920 but you know, I feel like, you know, he's probably 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.760 you know, you know, one of the best, if not 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:22.400 the best at understanding you know, you know, letting the players, 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:26.280 you know, have a say so and taking some ownership 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.280 of what we do on the football field. Because there's 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:29.959 definitely coaches I've had where it's like I want you 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:31.439 to do it this way and this way only, you know, 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.000 especially when you're young, you know, you know, this is 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:35.720 the only way I know works, and it's like, well, 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:39.960 I mean, first of all, you're asking, you know, three 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:41.839 people with three different body types to play the same 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:44.320 technique who have different three different strengths. You know, it 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.720 doesn't make sense, you know. I think that you have 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.440 to have a variety, you have to have, you know, 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.800 different ways of playing. And now this is what I 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:53.959 feel like works the best, and so my teacher do 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:55.480 it this way. I want you to try it this way. 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.080 But you know, if you have the other techniques that 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:00.839 you feel like can work and the same thing, this 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.880 is ultimate goal we want. And so one of the 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:05.880 things I like when I was working with Weven Baltimore 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.439 is I mean, like literally like whatever technique I wanted 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.280 to play each week, as long as I communicated with 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.200 him and we had an open dialogue on why you know, 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.040 I mean, and that once was he like, yeah, I 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:17.240 don't think that's worked for you. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:17.440 You know. 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.560 Now you know if I try it, it ain't working. You know, 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:22.440 you're coming like, hey, you know, you try to this 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.240 is the same what I wanted to look like. So 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.080 it's trying a different way, you know. And we talked 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.680 through that scenario as well. But I think that you know, now, 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.480 obviously being at the coordinator level, it's a lot different. 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.280 But even a guy like you know, Jayalen Ramsey or 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.680 you know, these other guys in the back end, you know. 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.320 I mean I played with Jaalen and Jacksonville and we 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.280 had a you know, really good, you know, really good 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:48.240 seasons seventeen and me and him were like the like 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.200 the leaders of that defense, even being a young guy, 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.800 you know, but he really was very all spoken on 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.560 how he wanted to play things. And I think we've 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:58.240 gonna be a really good coach for him because, like 0:14:58.480 --> 0:14:59.680 you know, at the end of the day, like you know, 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.440 he gives his ownership right, so you know, he has, 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.680 you know, what he wants as well. But if you 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:08.120 feel like, okay, if I can play with a certain 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:09.800 technique to get you what you want so we can 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.240 all be successful, that he's gonna give us that freedom. 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:13.720 And I think, you know, somebody like Janna is really 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.040 gonna benefit from that because he definitely is a very 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.120 brilliant football mind, and he studies a lot about the 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.240 game and he knows like how he wants to do things, 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:23.560 and so having that kind of freedom and being able 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:24.960 to communicate that, it's gonna be huge. 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.720 And like yourself, very virstaile player too, can play inside outside, 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:29.120 and so for a guy like you just played five 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.800 technique played you know, some nose tackle, and everywhere in between. Right, 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.000 that versatility seems to be one of the hallmarks of 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:35.760 this defense. You've kind of feel that same way on. 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.080 A hundred percent, you know, I already I mean they're 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.320 asked me in the press conference, you know, you know, 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:43.960 do what else, like I'm gona play at And I 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.160 was like everywhere, you know, because we've i mean, he's 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:51.160 he's really smart and in matchups and and looks and 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.520 trying to like make things, you know, uh like you know, 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:58.320 doing simple things, you know, but making it look complicated, 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:00.960 and a lot of that is a linements and moving 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:02.920 around and stuff. And so like I already know, I'm 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.800 a line up everywhere literally everywhere. Uh we all will, 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:07.440 we all take times, line up different things, and it 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:10.080 just makes i mean makes some more challenge on offices 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.360 because I mean we might you know, give you a look, 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.760 do something out of it, and next week we give 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:16.760 you a similar look. You do something completely different, you know, 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:18.880 and then you know, give you a you know, a 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:20.920 look that is different, but then give you the same 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:25.280 thing we gave you before. Like it's just exactly it's 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.120 not that confusion, but offices will be confused. 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:28.920 Yeah, that's good. 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:30.840 You guys we're looking forward to So we'll go ahead 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:32.200 and finship for you here real quick, because I saw 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.480 on your Instagram page a picture of you and your 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.240 son boogey boarding, and I'm curious, how tough is it 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.000 for a man of your stature to balance on my 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:39.520 booge board? 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:43.120 Are pretty good at it? I thought that might be 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:44.360 the case. I want to ask you. 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.680 Yeah, I have up on a surf board, and you know, 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.240 so I'm still a good athlete. That wasn't that long 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.160 going through. But I got up, and you know that 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.480 was you know, just it was a great challenge. I 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:55.720 really want to see if I can do it, and 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:56.120 I did it. 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.560 But yeah, way more impressive surfing and that's tough. 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.440 Yeah, But I love being down the ocean, love being 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.840 on the brigie board. My son loves it, you know. 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.000 So it's it's a big, great year. I'm happy to 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:08.199 be here. 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:09.880 He came to the right place. Class camp appreciate time. 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:11.520 They man, Thank you so much. Klais Campbell, new Dolphins 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:12.200 defensive lineman. 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.280 As advertised, I mean, if you thought that was good, 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.359 to go ahead and just get through the break with 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:19.040 us here for one second, becuse we're gonna come back 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.399 on the other side and break down the tape of 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.000 the Big Fella. I was in here on a Monday 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.719 morning in the middle of June watching tape, cheering and 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:30.080 clapping because this is such a great addition to the 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.600 football team. We'll talk about that next year. Draft Time podcast, 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.640 your host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation. 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:39.680 So we heard from the big man. 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.199 Now let's go ahead and talk about how impactful he 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.280 can be for this team and help us stack some 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:47.600 wins and make a run at this damn thing. First 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:51.280 things first, the last time Kaleis Campbell was not a 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.320 good football player, well, you probably have to go back 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.399 to the first practice of his pee week career, though 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.040 I imagine it did not take him very long to 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.240 pick up the game. What I'm trying to say is 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.080 that he was awesome at the U. I have no 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.680 doubt he dominated high school football and middle school all 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.280 before that too. Then he got to the Cardinals and 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.600 was awesome, went to the Jaguars and finished second and 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.320 defensive Player of the Year, went to the Ravens and 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.440 kicked some more ass there, and then plays one year 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.000 with the Falcons. And leads the team in sacks and 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.080 has another year of excellent, excellent tape. And you guys 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:29.480 might recall the joint practices down here last year in 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.840 South Florida when there was panic about because of the 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:36.800 Falcons defense actually performing quite well against the Dolphins offense. 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:40.520 And again just remember this, don't take long term stock 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:44.560 in what what results happened in practice. But Kalais Campbell 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.160 was a big reason the Falcons pass rush got after 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.560 the Dolphins in a couple of those joint practices. But 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:52.480 at thirty seven years old, now there's a guy on 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:54.160 the team older than I am, which is a win 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:54.560 for us. 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:55.159 Old dudes. 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.960 He played every game last year. He's played two hundred 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:00.879 and forty four games in his which is an average 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:04.840 of fifteen and a quarter games over a sixteen year career. 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:09.600 That's twelve thousand, one hundred and sixty nine nice snaps. 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:13.080 By the way, I don't think I've ever evaluated a 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.280 player who had more than twelve thousand snaps, or even 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.000 close to that for that matter. That is seven hundred 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:22.479 and sixty snaps per year over sixteen years. His career 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:26.840 can drive. And he's playing three quarters of the snaps 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.760 every year in those years. Remember when Joe Thomas, the 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:33.399 great Browns left tackle, played ten thousand consecutive snaps at 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:37.360 left tackle and it was a hallmark achievement, and rightfully so, 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:40.520 I kind of feel like this is that impressive, if 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:43.800 not more. He played seven hundred and twelve snaps last year. 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.399 So if you're worried about him breaking down and not 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.400 you know, having the same production. If that happens, it's 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.320 because the cliff just came out of nowhere. There is 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:56.359 zero precedence that says this player no longer can do it. 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:58.679 He was better last year than he probably was the 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:02.119 previous three years and f career before that. He turned 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:05.680 in over fifteen hundred snaps for Baltimore and their defensive 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:09.640 line coach Anthony Weaver. Actually that was just two years 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:11.440 in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty one, but that's 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:13.760 plenty of time to learn how to communicate with a 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.440 coach and get the system down. Pat and we'll talk 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.320 about his fit in the film section. I don't know 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.760 how to say this anymore clear. Campbell has been good 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:25.040 literally every year of his football life. From twenty sixteen 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.680 to twenty nineteen, he was the third highest graded interior 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.879 defensive lineman in the NFL from Pro Football Focus behind 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:35.520 Aaron Donald and JJ Watt. From twenty twenty to twenty 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:38.959 twenty three, He's been a top twelve graded interior defensive 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:41.840 lineman by Pro Boball Focus each and every year, and 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:42.280 guess what. 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.200 Last year was the best year of that run. 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.240 I know we don't love PFF grades, but I like 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:51.280 to say them when they jive with the tape and. 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:53.119 What I've gleaned from said tape. 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:55.440 So that's why I use that there as a way 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:57.040 to preference what we're going to talk about here on 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:58.960 the tape and saying it's not just me that sees this, 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:01.399 other people see it as well. What I'm saying to 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:04.920 you is that there is positively no reason to expect 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:08.760 him to decline. There's mountains of evidence that he's declined 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.879 proof and again that cliff Sometimes it just comes for 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:14.280 guys out of nowhere. But that's gonna have to be 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:16.840 what would happened here for Campbell because he has been 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:20.439 really good up to his last snap in twenty twenty three. 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:24.200 Forty two quarterback pressures last year and thirty six stops 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:29.840 that ranks nineteenth and ninth among his interior defensive lineman peers, 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:32.040 And yeah, it's kind of tough to put him in 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:34.480 that position because he did play lots of edge. He 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:38.040 plays everywhere, so you can't really pigeonhole him into one spot. 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:41.760 But taking those metrics against guys on the interior defensive line, 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:44.440 that's where he would have ranked nineteenth and nine as 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.800 a pass rusher in terms of pressures and against the 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:49.480 run in terms of making stops that are defensive wins 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:52.359 for that particular rep. And yeah, you can classify him 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:54.360 as an edge too because he plays both. But six 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:57.200 foot eight, two hundred and eighty five pounds, I think 0:21:57.200 --> 0:21:58.720 it's tough to put him in the same bucket as 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.399 a Jalen Phillips for that matter. And you start to 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:03.960 look at the fit, it's like the rest of the 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:05.720 defense in the way it's put together this offseason. 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:07.280 It's so obvious. 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:11.320 First though from a pure number standpoint, it's interesting when 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:13.919 you go back over the Ravens defenses of the past, 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:18.480 they've really had one big snap eater inside and that 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:22.840 has been justin Madubuike since he was drafted and developed 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:24.720 a few years back and just got his big contract 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:29.080 this offseason. Beyond that, it was a bunch of rotational 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:32.040 guys who could give you two hundred to three hundred 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:35.520 snaps alongside said player in platoon roles. 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:36.760 And when you look at. 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:41.879 What Tier Tart, Jonathan Harris, Benito Jones, Neville Gallimore have done, 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:46.439 it's that it's exactly that. So now you insert a 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:50.000 guy that's played seven hundred, six hundred, six hundred and 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:54.800 five hundred snaps the last four years, clearly capable of 0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:57.520 taking on as big of a role as you need, 0:22:57.800 --> 0:22:59.600 and I'm really fascinated to see what it looks like. 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:03.120 I mean, answer, whatever it is is a good one, right, 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:06.920 I mean, you've just added cheese to an already great burger. 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:10.399 Like we had what we needed, now we got more. 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:12.960 And I think that might be my favorite part about 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:16.320 this is the insurance of sorts that it provides because 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:20.119 that platoon option and who knows, maybe two guys stand 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:22.840 out above the rest. And it wasn't as deep of 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:26.679 a platoon as I thought initially, But let's say that 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:29.520 that was the plan, and I think it is. Well, 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:32.600 if Zach Sealer had to miss a chunk of time, 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:35.600 then what's your solution, you have none. I don't think 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:38.879 that you had an option to go beyond that. But 0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:42.200 now with kalai As Campbell showing you time and time 0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:44.520 again that he can give you forty to fifty snaps 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:48.200 per game and then have that rotational spot filling around him, 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:52.560 you've increased your options. You've added massive length, which in 0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:54.639 a league that wants to play with light boxes, I mean, 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:57.600 good luck trying to run duo or inside zone on 0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:00.600 the combination of Zach Sealer and Kalay Campbell. You just 0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:03.280 can't do it. I think it does even more to 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:06.960 help free up the fastest, most instinctive linebacker room in 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:09.960 the National Football League. I just can't find anything but 0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:12.560 heaping positives that come from this. 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:14.159 And this is before. 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:18.720 I even had a chance to crack open the film, 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:22.240 which we'll do right now. And having written that before 0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:25.720 I watched the film, and now having watched the film 0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:29.400 and coming back and recording, that hypothesis is confirmed. 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:31.040 Dude, Like, let's go ahead and talk about this. 0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:33.600 So it takes a play or two when you watch 0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:36.679 him to see the fit you're going to get this 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:39.600 year in the Dolphins defense. I think more true even 0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:42.760 fronts and overfronts where you have a traditional four down 0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:45.280 lineman look. And we saw Seler doing a lot of 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:48.199 this early on in terms of that backside four or 0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:51.120 four eye technique, and what that means is the weak 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:53.880 side of the formation. He's lined up in a three 0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:57.200 or four point stance head up over the backside tackle 0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:01.399 or off the inside shoulder of that tackle. That's a 0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:04.359 four technique and a four eye technique. And even the 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:07.280 play side five technique, which is the strength of the formation. 0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:09.600 Your tight end or you're back aligned to that part 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:12.640 of the formation and you're now on the outside shoulder 0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:13.639 of the tackle. 0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:14.520 We clear on that. 0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:18.800 So five, four and four I that goes outside, head up, 0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:22.240 inside of the tackle. Are those positions and how that works. Now, 0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:25.400 it was limited work that we saw through the course 0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:27.320 of the spring, but I didn't think it was Seiler's 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:30.399 best spot playing that four four eye technique in a 0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:33.159 true four point stance. I prefer zach to being a 0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:35.720 three technique or a backside one shade or even a 0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:38.760 zero technique head up over the center, more traditional defensive 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:43.960 tackle positions. But with kalayis that conversion to a four 0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:48.479 point stance four technique defensive end is so clear and 0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:51.080 so seamless, and if you want to incorporate that front, 0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:53.760 go get Kalaias Campbell and they did, and I think 0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:57.240 they do want that, especially that backside where he can 0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:00.960 overwhelm with his physicality and sort of take away one 0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:03.320 of the toughest gaps in the run game, because he 0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:07.000 has to play outside contain for wind back runs that 0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:10.680 can get back outside as sort of a quasi force defender, 0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:13.560 and the force defender is the guy that must contain 0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.640 back inside because he's the last line of defense outside 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:20.000 and when you lose outside contain, that's when explosive plays 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:23.920 typically happen. But to also from that position be able 0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:26.280 to get back inside the block and cut off the 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:29.000 B gap wind back lane, which if you play it 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:31.280 too wide, is also just as dangerous because you can 0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:33.200 get to that B gap and then stretch the run 0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:36.560 to the second level out wide and outrun linebackers in safeties. 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:38.800 And Kalayis does this all the time, like they put 0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:41.399 him in these positions where, hey, if you mess up 0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:43.960 your job, big fella, we're talking about a run out 0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:45.880 the gate. And he just did it all the time, 0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:49.000 and that what does that do. It frees up other 0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:52.600 guys to have easier roles and easier jobs on your defense. 0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:57.040 You just do not get displacement on Kalais Campbell. You 0:26:57.119 --> 0:27:00.040 don't because he's quick off the snap, with his with 0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:02.600 his punch, with his shooting, his hands, and the length. 0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:05.040 You can't get to his chest because he's longer than you. 0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:08.920 He's just got longer arms than you. He's an immovable object. 0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:13.840 This allows him to to gap as effectively as anybody 0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:17.920 I've ever studied on tape, ever, ever, ever, ever, don't 0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:20.359 mistake him for a one gap penetrator. But you know what, 0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:23.360 we already have a bunch of those guys because Kalais 0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:26.400 plays so much like Zach Seeler. And Zach doesn't win 0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.200 because he flashed one six ten split get off speed. 0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:33.000 It's because he's a complete technician with unnatural length that 0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:37.520 looks unnatural, and strength that no one should possess. That's 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:40.840 Kalayis's game as well. And now the opposing offense has 0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:43.919 to block two of those guys on most snaps. This 0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:46.159 is just another one of these moves, kind of like 0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:49.680 I've been raving about Odell or Malik Washington or John 0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:52.199 new Smith in the passing game, where man, it just 0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:57.800 makes so much sense when you play Zach and Kalais together, 0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:01.880 you can essentially swallow up blow and let free runners 0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:06.080 work behind them unencumbered by blockers by bigger offensive linemen. 0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:09.640 Or you can also get platoon action and have one 0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:12.439 of them on the field at times. It'll certainly be 0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:15.200 a mixture of both. What I'm saying is it gives 0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:18.439 you an embarrassment of riches in terms of depth, because 0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:21.560 now we have two A players. For my money, this 0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:23.920 tape is still elite an A player in the National 0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:27.760 Football League, Like maybe not blue chip like, but green 0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:30.280 like the you know, the grating category I have like 0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:32.160 right there on the precipice of being a blue chip 0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:35.400 player with also around them tons of guys that sign 0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:38.920 deals that commesurate that are commesurate with rotational work, right Like, 0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:40.720 that's kind of where they stack up based upon how 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:43.440 their contracts were laid out. And we have waves and 0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:44.280 waves and waves. 0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:45.280 I am pumped. 0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:47.160 Let's go ahead and get back into the tape here 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:50.800 because I am two series into the Saints game from 0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:53.520 last year and I've seen him shoot inside the B 0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:56.000 gap from the weak side five technique which we talked 0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:58.280 about that right, it's playing outside the tackle. You have 0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:01.720 to get cross face back inside, then get back out 0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:04.760 wide of that tackle to cut down the wide run 0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:05.880 that bounced outside of that. 0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:07.880 That is exactly to a t I talked. 0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:12.640 About two gapping, playing two roles and basically eliminating an 0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:16.640 advantage the offense has because you can basically play the 0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:19.440 role of two players. I've seen him condense inside to 0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:22.400 a three technique as a pass rusher on third and long, 0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:24.480 swipe the hands of the guard and angle back to 0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:26.680 the quarterback and make that guard look like he doesn't 0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:28.880 know what he's doing, and then slot back outside to 0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:31.600 the five technique, shoot inside, and then wipe out the 0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:35.000 split flow blocker, which is the tight end who comes 0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:38.440 across the formation. And here's Kalaius Campbell saying, yeah, that's cute. 0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:40.360 I'll go ahead and stack you up and make the 0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:42.960 play in the backfield. I write that down. Then the 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:46.360 next play he gets slide protection away from him. That 0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:49.920 leaves him one on one on an island with Andres Pete, 0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:52.240 the Saints left tackle, who is then doing the same 0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:53.560 thing the guard did earlier in the game, where he's 0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:56.280 leaning out over his skis and trying to run backwards, 0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:59.280 hopefully to get a body in front of Kalais, just 0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:02.520 to protect quarterback a little more before his quarterback gets 0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:04.800 killed by Kalais. What I'm saying to you is I 0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:07.560 watched four snaps of this game, and he did four 0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:14.040 different great things. His tape is full of understanding, like momentum, 0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:16.200 how to create it and exploit it, like get you 0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:18.600 leaning one way and go across the other way. He 0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:21.480 makes you think he's going to, you know, make one 0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:24.280 move and then uses his length and then the utter 0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:27.120 fear that he creates from his power to get you 0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:27.840 flat footed. 0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:30.560 It makes these guys look silly. It makes him look like. 0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:33.920 Their sun Belt offensive lineman. Nothing against the sun Belt, 0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:36.120 but like you can't block guys like Kalais Campbell if 0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:38.600 you play in that league. Probably I compare his peer 0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:41.920 power to the speed we have on the perimeter on offense, 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:45.960 Like you better be ready to get vertical before our 0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:48.960 guys have shown that route, because if you're not at 0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:52.120 least ready for it, you're gonna be chasing Tyreek Hill 0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:54.200 when he throws up the deuces into the end zone, 0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:56.840 or you're gonna get to watch Jalen waddle around the 0:30:56.920 --> 0:31:00.240 end zone with his teammates with Kalayis, you had better 0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.959 bring your big boy pants and get ready to anchor, 0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:07.200 because if you don't, you're going to be all of 0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:11.280 the toys that hal has in the episode of Malcolm 0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:13.440 in the Middle when he rents out the steamroller for 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:15.120 twenty four hours and runs all of them over. You're 0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:17.000 going to be flattened on this on the concrete. And 0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:20.440 Kalaeus knows this and uses it to his advantage. And oh, 0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:22.240 by the way, he does it with some of the 0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:25.480 longest arms the game has ever seen. So you cannot 0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:27.720 get first hands on him. It's not possible because he 0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:30.920 knows how to use that length. Think Raekwon Davis if 0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:33.120 he were good at football. That's what we're talking about here. 0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:36.080 When I watch him with the Falcons versus the rate 0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:38.120 or compared to when he played with the Ravens, it 0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:39.960 makes me wonder how you might use him because they 0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:42.360 were entirely different. But the coach that was there with 0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:45.440 him in Baltimore is here right, So there he played 0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:48.960 more inside two two I, three, four four I alignements. 0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:51.840 It's all inside the tackles, all those positions from the 0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:54.440 inside of the tackle into the nose position, but he 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:57.400 also played a lot off the tackle in Atlanta. I 0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:00.000 just think you use all of that to your advantag 0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:03.520 As we mentioned earlier, this defense, and we think at 0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:06.920 least the origins of the Ravens rush schemes requires guys 0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:09.959 that can play multiple spots, and then you dial up 0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:13.440 your blitzes based on two or three word calls where 0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:17.040 everybody knows every rush path from every position. They talk 0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:19.240 about it in Seattle right now with Lennard Williams talking 0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:21.880 about Mike McDonald's defense, it's gonna be the same thing here, 0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:24.240 I would venture to guess. And when you think about 0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:27.160 Seiler and Campbell as I've described them to you, or 0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:29.560 you think about how Gallimore played on the nose and 0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:31.880 Dallas but it's probably more suited for the three technique, 0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:34.120 or how Harris played some one shade all the way 0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:36.440 out to the five technique, or how tier Tart is 0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:39.000 the exact same way. How about how Phillips and Chubb 0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:42.480 can play everywhere. Damn it, man, it just all makes 0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:46.320 so much sense. Last thing on the Campbell tape, he 0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:49.120 did a game pass film session with Brian Baldinger, where 0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:51.480 he talked about the keys and reads he makes on 0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:54.160 a given play and the conversations he has with his 0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:57.120 linebackers to play off the adjustments he makes. You guys 0:32:57.160 --> 0:32:59.360 have heard me talk about David Long Junior on the 0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:02.240 podcast here on the show, talk about his instinctive nature. 0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:04.360 You've heard me talk about Jordan Brooks in the podcast 0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:07.000 and Anthony Walker coming on here talking about their film study. 0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:11.600 Find me a trio of linebackers, more instinctive, more in 0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:14.440 tune to using tape to make them great players. 0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:15.200 You can't do that. 0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:19.440 And my apologies for going back to the golf analogies here, 0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:22.480 but here's how I would equate it. So, in golf, 0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:24.760 you have different types of shots you should be hitting. 0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:26.360 Right now, most of us want to hit the ball 0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:28.480 straight at the flag and hope for the best. But 0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:30.800 when you get really, really good, you start learning how 0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:32.640 to draw the ball, how to cut the ball, how 0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:36.000 to really manipulate the ball for the shape the shot requires, 0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:37.920 whether it's a dog leg or you want to bring 0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:39.280 it in over the right side of the green to 0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:42.160 create less danger. There's just different types of shots you hit. 0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:45.080 It's one thing to know how to do this, it's 0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:48.520 another thing to execute it in the moment. You have 0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:50.200 to walk up to your ball and find out the 0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:52.720 shot shape, how you want to manipulate the club. You 0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:54.800 don't get a practice stroke. You just get to sweep 0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:56.239 grass and then you have to go do it. And 0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:58.440 the best in the world can do it. That's Kalays 0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:00.880 Campbell on the defensive line. He knows he can ride 0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:03.920 the wave on an outside zone run away from his 0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:07.200 side as the one shade the backside nose tackle, and 0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:10.240 he so he knows he needs to hold the block 0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:12.160 and carry it to free up his blockers. But if 0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:15.200 he gets a key that the backside cutback lane is 0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:17.480 the new track for the back he can then shed 0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:20.799 that block and go get himself into that gap, effectively 0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:23.640 changing gaps with the linebacker. So I think the ripple 0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:26.600 effect of how much better he'll make everybody else is very, 0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:29.640 very apparent. I don't know if that accurately describes how 0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:32.960 tough this is. But when you know you need to 0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:35.120 be able to shed a block or maybe stick to it, 0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:37.440 and then you can just do whatever the play calls for, 0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:39.680 that's the definition to me of elite. 0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:41.440 I have to get this done. I can do whatever 0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:41.920 I want to. 0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:44.160 I cannot believe we just added this guy to our 0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:46.560 defense by signing his name to a piece of paper, Like, 0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:49.320 what a freaking addition. This is absolute monster of a player, 0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:52.440 high character guy, mentor smart, knows the defense. 0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:54.200 Damn man, you drop him in. 0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:57.520 Jordan Brooks, Kendall Fuller, and Jordan Poyer, Like that's a 0:34:57.520 --> 0:35:00.359 player at every level of the defense who knows ball, 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:03.799 who can play anywhere and brings a certain type of 0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:07.080 ish to them right, Like, I don't know, man, I 0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:09.520 don't know. All these big media outlets are concerned about 0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:12.640 the pieces lost on defense, about Vic Fangio leaving, and 0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:14.480 I'm sitting here looking at the schedule from last year. 0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:16.319 Pace it on my wall with a piece of tape 0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:18.840 right here that says forty eight points to Buffalo, thirty 0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:21.120 one to Philly, and a complete inability to get off 0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:23.160 the ball or off the field in the entire fourth 0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:26.160 quarter fifty six at Baltimore, the Bills and Chiefs going 0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:29.000 for both over four hundred yards despite being a little 0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:31.040 bit sloppy dropping passes, and yeah, we got some luck 0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:33.360 against the Chiefs. They dropped some touchdowns because it was 0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:36.439 negative twenty five out there, or the Bills squandering plays 0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:38.319 at the end of the half, getting tackled the one 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:41.600 yard line inbounds before the halftime buzzer, or turning it 0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:42.560 over in the end zone twice. 0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:43.840 I'm watching all these games. 0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:47.520 We played our heels against on our heels, i should say, 0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:50.160 against the game's top quarterbacks and just got blasted by 0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:52.399 them each and every single time we lined it up, 0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:55.440 or a defense that got dominated by elite quarterbacks the 0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:56.680 years prior as well. 0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.480 I see change. I see a change in mindset. 0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:01.520 I see a coach that's going to bring about that 0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:04.920 change and players who reflect that change. That was a 0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:06.680 fun segment. And then what if I told you there's 0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:09.320 another menace for opposing offenses joining our defense. We'll go 0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:11.360 ahead and break down Marcus May in the backfield on 0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:13.560 the next segment here of the Draft Time Podcast, your 0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:17.280 host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation, wrapping 0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:20.040 up a Tuesday edition of the Draft Time Podcast with 0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:23.520 Marcus May And it sort of felt like another move 0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:27.040 was coming at safety right just based upon the composition. 0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:27.280 Of the room. 0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:29.719 Javon Holland is good enough to be an annual Pro 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:31.960 bowler we know what we have there, Jordan Poyer. There 0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:34.960 probably isn't a non dolphin whose game I know and 0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:37.560 admire more over the last five years than Jordan Poyer. 0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:41.400 He was where I always began my Bills study because 0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:44.280 he and Micah Hyde and Tarn Johnson the slot corner 0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:46.759 were the straws that stirred the drink of our best 0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:50.040 division rival and the biggest obstacle for the AFC East title. 0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:51.960 And I say all of that because I don't think 0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:54.040 you can find more players that you can count on 0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:57.600 two hands who are smarter than Jordan Poyer, which obviously 0:36:57.640 --> 0:37:00.840 equals versatility. Elijah Campbell's one of the specialists in the 0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:02.840 team and a guy that I've always thought was like 0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:05.920 an ideal dimeback. And then you have the ultimate unknown 0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:08.319 in a couple of rookies, right McMorris, the sixth round 0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:10.840 pick has the look of an immediate special teams contributor 0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:12.759 as well. And then the undrafted guys with us all 0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:15.200 leads the concept of a third safety who can join 0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:18.880 holland employer and match their flexibility. This defense, or I 0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:22.240 should say the influences of Coach Weaver in the past, 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:24.480 has operated from a lot of these principles, plenty of 0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:28.239 three safety packages, Big Nickel, it's your slot cornerback is 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:30.600 not a slot cornerback. He is a third safety that 0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:34.399 comes into the game. Baltimore ran that package four hundred 0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:36.400 and sixty three times last year, third most in the 0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:40.600 National Football League. Blitz packages with streamline terminology that requires 0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:42.840 the players to learn the rush patterns from each position 0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:45.480 so they can get any rush package from any personnel 0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:47.080 grouping in alignment that we talked about that in the 0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:50.800 klay As Campbell segment. And then finally relatively similar movement 0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:54.040 on the back end to what we just said position flexibility. 0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:56.440 And that third point is where I think May really 0:37:56.480 --> 0:37:58.960 comes into play. I just may eat some clay down 0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:03.759 by the bay to bump coverage responsibility, which is essentially 0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:06.319 in zone when they go motion, you bump someone else 0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:08.520 out to cover a guy that moves from your zone 0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:11.000 to a different zone. And this exists when you have 0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:15.600 this almost numberless defense, this positionless defense, like, yeah, that's 0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:18.800 Javon Holland and coverage. Oh they just motioned and bumped 0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:21.680 it to Marcus May. We can do that because our 0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:27.560 safeties I think are entirely interchangeable. As a threesome, not individually, 0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:30.040 but as a threesome on their abilities to play weak, 0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.520 strong post in the box, rush, the edge, fit a 0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:34.600 gap in the run game, play the screen game, and 0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:38.480 they all love to hit. They love physicality. They all 0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:40.879 understand angles and keys in the run game. I mean, 0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:44.279 every damn move this defense has made this offseason, it 0:38:44.360 --> 0:38:47.040 is just so obvious the fit. I feel like there 0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:51.120 is absolute direction and May and Campbell really solidified that 0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:53.400 for me this month. More on the Fit in a moment. 0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:56.399 May is entering his eighth season. It was a second 0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:58.440 round pick by the Jets out of Florida, actually the 0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:01.480 exact same year they took Jamal Adams sixth overall, and 0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:03.080 May went on to have a better Jets career than 0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:05.279 Adams did, and next in fact, a better NFL career 0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:08.240 than Jamal Adams did. He wound up in New Orleans 0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:11.720 to essentially replace Marcus Williams and Dennis Allen's Saints defense, 0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:14.000 who went to Baltimore to play for Mike McDonald. So 0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:16.239 it's kind of funny how that worked out. And that 0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:18.000 was back in twenty twenty two. He had two good 0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:20.239 years with the Saints, although in limited action because he 0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:22.719 played just seven games last year and ten games in 0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:25.479 twenty twenty two, so he's missed some time, even going 0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:27.239 back to twenty twenty one with the Jets when he 0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:29.160 played just six games there, So he's missed a lot 0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:31.960 of time. Four hundred and forty four, six sixty nine 0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:34.000 and three hundred and sixty two snaps those are his 0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:36.600 last three seasons. That gives you a little over one 0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:39.200 thousand over a three year run, and in that time 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:41.840 he produced twenty nine stops, two picks, a sack, and 0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:44.400 three tackles for loss. That would be a good single 0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:46.359 season of production when you boil it down, But that's 0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:48.319 not exactly how it works, right. He's playing limited snap 0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:50.960 counts because of injuries to give you that cumulative one 0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:54.319 year worth of production. I do think though, however, it's 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:56.680 indicative of what the tape shows, and with the tape 0:39:56.680 --> 0:39:58.320 shows me goes back to what I said about the 0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:00.880 types of players they have been at to this defense. 0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:03.080 I keep thinking about Chris Greer, or maybe it was 0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:06.600 coach McDaniel saying that Weaver brought visuals for what he 0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:10.160 wants at every position. So damn it, you have such 0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:14.240 consistency in what you've brought in with that thinking in mind, 0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:18.480 smart instinctive, anticipatory veterans who can react to the alignment 0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:21.799 and initial flow of a play and seamlessly rotate or 0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:26.000 pivot responsibility to make the quarterback or the back hesitate 0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:28.680 for a fraction of a second on pass or running plays. 0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:31.120 And then we use that hesitation in a league where 0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:34.160 he who hesitates is lost to beat you with our 0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:38.319 sheer talent. That and the makeup of these guys all 0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:41.080 cut from the same cloth of study, prepare and win 0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:42.920 in the classroom before the game even starts. 0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:44.920 Gosh, that is Marcus May's tapes. 0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:47.600 We talk about the motion a lot and how how 0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:50.120 it plays tricks on the defense. Right, that quick movement 0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:53.560 before the snap can confuse coverages, especially in zone and 0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:54.840 how you bump your coverage. 0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:55.920 We just talked about that, right. 0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:59.960 So like May a lot, like Poyer, Fuller, Ramsey Brooks Walker, 0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:03.160 they are all veterans who've played a ton of football, 0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:07.840 been in multiple schemes, seeing offensive evolution, to understand various keys. 0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:10.680 He's just another guy that can do that. I've got 0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:12.520 five clips where he's in the backside of a formation, 0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:15.799 a weak side safety in Dannas Allen's defense. So it's 0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:18.799 based upon the pre stat motion and the motion man 0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:21.440 from a bunch or a stack, whatever goes across the 0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:23.880 formation to the other side of the formation, and so 0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:26.160 May bumps the coverage. Hey, you go out wide and 0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:28.000 cover him, I'm going to insert in your run fit 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:29.600 and make a play in the running game. He does 0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:31.400 all the time. He knows where he can take his 0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:33.719 chances within the scheme. I just think that even if 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:35.759 it takes a little bit of time to get everybody 0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:37.799 on the same page for a new defense, that we 0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:40.040 are going to see a defense that when it comes together, 0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:42.840 and maybe it's October, maybe it's August, who knows. But 0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:44.839 when it does, I think you're going to get a 0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:48.480 totally connected, singular unit. And that's part of the singular 0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:49.359 vision and. 0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:50.279 The benefit of that. 0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:52.880 We also talked about Campbell's ability to do multiple jobs 0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:55.520 from multiple alignments. It helps you play a lot of 0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:59.360 light boxes, which is a staple of modern NFL defense. 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:02.439 A player like May is like when a basketball team 0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:04.839 has their big lineup out there and you've got three 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:07.719 seven footers like Dirk Wemby and Karl Anthony Towns who 0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:10.640 can also connect on forty percent of their three point shots. 0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.160 We just can do everything. We can make one call 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:15.080 for a look and then oh, we have to have 0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:18.600 a linebacker here, go play linebacker Jordan Poyer or Marcus May. Okay, 0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:20.960 maybe that's a little bit too much name power as 0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:22.800 far as the Hoopers go, but you get the analogy. 0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:26.080 I can play in big nickel and split Javon and Poyer, 0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:28.960 with Marcus playing this rover type of role where he 0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:31.760 can read alignments and keys and come down and convert 0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:34.239 to a will linebacker who can fit the run or 0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:36.400 peel off on bootlegs and cover the tight end or 0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:41.920 the back in the flat or a spot up route. Flexibility, versatility, interchangeability, 0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:45.120 positionless defense. That's the modern game, and this defense is 0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:47.640 so well equipped to do that if they so desire. Now, 0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:51.080 I had nothing to knock on Campbell's tape because he's 0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:53.239 a perfect player to me. But with May, I think 0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:56.400 if you get him isolated in space, get him in 0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:58.719 a situation where he has to vertical match, that could 0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:01.680 be bad news. But you can scheme around them, especially 0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:03.920 provided that Holland is up and available. Now, if you 0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:06.799 lost him and it's Poyer and May. I think that 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:10.120 that would open up deficiencies of their games as players. 0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:13.080 But if I have Holland available, I can work around it. 0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:15.560 If I can have him playing Marcus May, that is 0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:18.839 a robber role or matching a tight end from an 0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:22.239 offman look. He can get to spots with his anticipation 0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:24.560 and knowledge and short area burst. But when it comes 0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:27.720 to peer matchup, that's where I think that he struggled 0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:29.520 with the Saints last year. There's a clip where he 0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:32.279 gets a pick on a deflection against the Titans, and 0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:34.400 I hated the rep because it's the same chair concept 0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:36.520 that we run, where you have a vertical route and 0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:38.560 a deep over route that's supposed to split these safeties 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:40.719 and put him into peril, and he just bails on 0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:43.680 the over route and goes vertical. Who's already covered And 0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:46.399 if Tannehill had seen the throw, it's an easy room 0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:49.840 service thirty yards of air yards completion and he just 0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:51.719 throws it into the deep shot. For what reason, I 0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:53.560 don't know, but I don't want to put him in 0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:56.399 situations where he's chasing guys across the field. I think 0:43:56.480 --> 0:44:00.919 May is a depth package, specialty, rotational speed piece, big 0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:03.759 Nickel thirty five to forty percent of your snaps. I 0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:06.399 think Campbell is a cornerstone type of addition. Nothing wrong 0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:08.480 with the former, just think it's important to clarify the 0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:11.359 difference there. Every team needs both. Dolphins got both here 0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:13.680 in the month of June. But the defense has tons 0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:16.120 of talent. The challenge is what we said, getting everybody 0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:18.759 up to speed quickly, but coach Weaver has a lot 0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:20.560 of ingredients to work with now and two more in 0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:22.480 Kalais Campbell and Marcus May. 0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:23.279 There you go. 0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:26.200 I think the next episode of Drift Time, we're going 0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:29.200 to dive into the positional and divisional previews, taking a 0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:32.200 look around the National Football League, comparing teams to your 0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:34.560 Miami Dolphins, and also getting ready for training camp with 0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:36.920 the position by position preview, taking a look at each 0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:40.000 player when they offer your football team here coming up 0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:41.640 for the new season which begins in just a couple 0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:44.120 of months. 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