1 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Her name. 2 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: We are here at the Ole England Club. It is 3 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: middle Sunday, weekend of Wimbledon. What an insane tournament it's 4 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: been so far. We're up on the roof. 5 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: You're going to hear some cheering. 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: In the background as we chat through what's happened so 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 2: far in the tournament. What are your thoughts asads being 8 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: extremely overwhelmed by the amount of news that's happened in 9 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 2: the last couple of days. 10 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, one thing I have to say is it's 11 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 3: one hundred year celebration of Center Court today and so 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 3: we're going to be celebrating that, and we're playing on 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 3: the middle Sunday officially for the first time, not because 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 3: of rain, so that's quite unusual. Caitlin, Wow, what a 15 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 3: day yesterday. First of all, we lost a number one 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 3: seed in Egersty on Tech, which was crazy. But Corney, 17 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 3: you know, she manages to do this her two massive 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 3: upsets on court One she beat Serena a number of 19 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 3: years ago, when Serena was really playing very very good 20 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 3: tennis and of course eager. 21 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 4: Not super comfortable in grass. 22 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 3: She was the favorite to win the tournament quote unquote, 23 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 3: but for me, she was never the favorite she's not 24 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: comfortable and grass, she's gonna have to learn how to 25 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 3: play on it in so many ways, a little bit 26 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 3: differently with her movement, with her shot selection, et cetera. 27 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 3: And Corne is a tough out. She's proven that, beaten 28 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 3: so many top seats three years. But can we just 29 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 3: talk about the men first? 30 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: We have to talk about the women, because just to 31 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: your point, Corney is a giant killer. I mean, for 32 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: a minute there, she had a winning record against Serena. 33 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 2: I think she beat her twice in one season, three 34 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: times in one well not. 35 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: In one season, but three times in her career, which 36 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: is pretty unheard of. 37 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: Considering the active players right now who have with multiple 38 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: wins against Serena, the number is pretty pretty pretty small. 39 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: But the women's straw is nuts. I mean, in that 40 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: half alone, we have Krne tom Lanovich, Rebukkina Mortich, Badosa 41 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: halip Anissimova, and Harmony Tan who somehow keeps winning these 42 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: matches after you know, winning that nail baiter against Syriana 43 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: in the first round. Just a thought on that part 44 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: of the draugh What do you think is going to 45 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: happen here with the women? I mean, obviously the other 46 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: half is interesting too, but that one feels open to me. 47 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 3: Well, to be honest with you, how many tan beating 48 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: these players is not unusual because I mean, look, she 49 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 3: hits slice, she dices, she hits drop shots. She plays 50 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 3: such an unusual style of tennis, and you know a 51 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 3: lot of the women don't like it. Is reason why 52 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 3: ash Barty was number one in the world. Not only 53 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 3: does she have a great serve and forehand, but she 54 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: hit slice backhands, and none of the ladies like to 55 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 3: hit slice backhand, especially on grass, especially in the first 56 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 3: week of Wimbledon, where the grass is a little bit longer, 57 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: it stays low, and so she slicing and dison and 58 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 3: drop shotting and tweinering and the whole. She's a little 59 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 3: bit of on Jibur, but without the power. On still 60 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 3: has the big foehand and backhand when she wants to 61 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 3: and serve. So I think it's fantastic that she's kept 62 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 3: it up. Pity there's no points for her, because her 63 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: ranking would rise enormously. I got to give credit to 64 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 3: my girl, Isla tom Lanovitch, because Eila made the quarters 65 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 3: here last year and now she's looking like she may 66 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 3: get to the quarters again, which is a great effort 67 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: and really sucks because she lost is going to be 68 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 3: losing all her points from last year, so her ranking 69 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: is going to drop, which I think, you know an 70 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 3: FYI did atpn WTA that was bullshit taking the points away. 71 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 3: These players are working their asses out here, and I 72 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 3: knows it's a bit controversial with the Russian players, but 73 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, like you shouldn't be penalizing every single player. 74 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 4: But anyway, that's a whole different story. 75 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: Well I could argue the other side of that, just 76 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 2: because according to inside sources who I know who are 77 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: at the All England Club, that was a very unilateral 78 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: decision that was not made in consultation with the Tours. 79 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: It wasn't even made in consultation with the government, and 80 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: so they were kind of out on a loan on this. 81 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: And I do think you're right the players should be 82 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: getting points, the players who are here, But I also, 83 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: frankly would like to see the Sabalancas of the world 84 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: and the Medvedev's of the world playing this tournament, not 85 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: because we're not condemning Russia and Belarus, but also because 86 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: you know, most of these. 87 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: Players would be penalized for speaking out. 88 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: So anyway, we've discussed this before, and you and I 89 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: have a respectful you know Teta tet here, but you're right, Aila, 90 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: a tremendous effort to her to back up her great 91 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: run here last year and have from you know what's 92 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: not been a great season so far, a really really 93 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: strong run. 94 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: And while we're on the women, because we have so much. 95 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: To talk about with the men in one of our classicism, 96 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: what the fucks, the focks dick kicks might be in order, 97 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: let's just very briefly stay on the women, because on 98 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: the other half we have Murray Bushkova, what a great story, 99 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: just got her college degree. She's playing Garcia, who's nice 100 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: to come back. 101 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: Mertens and Jibbur. 102 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: We talked about Tatiana Maria. 103 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: With a big one couple of days ago. She plays 104 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: us the Penko. 105 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 3: Can we give props to Tatia Maria with two kids, 106 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 3: wins a tournament this year and now she's taken out 107 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 3: some top players and she is the nicest person in 108 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 3: the world, and she's got to play the Ostapenko. So 109 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: we'll see if the slice and dice works against Ostapenko. 110 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: But Ostapenko to me, will probably make the semis. 111 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: Ostapenko's playing great. She had a really great run on 112 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 2: grass before this. 113 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, she won Eastbourne last year and lost to believe 114 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 3: in the finals to Kovitova. And just to back up 115 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 3: what we were saying before, Bodoza Covidova match yesterday was 116 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 3: the match of the tournament for the women. Even though 117 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 3: it was two sets, the quality was out standing. And 118 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 3: for me, Paula Bodoza, because I watched her in a 119 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 3: previous match and she was played within herself, but it 120 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 3: wasn't too flashy. The girl that she played wasn't that 121 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 3: great and I was like, Okay, calm down, everybody. But yesterday, 122 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 3: oh my god, she played so good and she is 123 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 3: sneaking along very quietly. And it would not surprise me 124 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 3: what I saw yesterday against Kviteva, because Kvitova won a 125 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 3: tournament on eat grass, leading in here east Poe and 126 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 3: as a two time champion. That was outstanding tennis from Baldoza, 127 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 3: so it would not shock me if she was in 128 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 3: the final here. 129 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: Agreed. 130 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 2: I thought Badosa and Kvitev could have gone either way 131 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: at any point of the match. The quality was amazing. 132 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: That agreed match of the tournament and Badosa. I mean, 133 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: you have to like the fact that she took out Coveteva, 134 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: who kind of was a sneaky feverite. I think to 135 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 2: win this because of what you just said. So rounding 136 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: out that half of the joil you got Hev, Heather Watson. 137 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 2: She's playing Yula Neiemeyer, the young German who's a big server. 138 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: I like to call her ever ever ever, that's how 139 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 3: the English say ever. 140 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 2: Anyway, So we've got a really really wide open tournament here. 141 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: What do you think is gonna happen? 142 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: You think? Butdos is the favorite? Caroline Garcia Jibburr. I mean, 143 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 2: gabbur is ranked number two in the world right now. 144 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 2: What do you think's who's got a chance here? I'll do, 145 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: But who's the favorite? Listen to the crowd, they want 146 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 2: my reaction. I think gibbur is the favorite. It's how 147 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: she can handle it. And I did a really nice 148 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 2: interview with her yesterday for ESPN in her day off 149 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: and her practice. She's just one of my I just 150 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: love her. She's very hard not to love for so 151 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: many reasons. She's such a nice person, such a gifted 152 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: tennis player, so fun to watch, so. 153 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 4: I'd say she's the favorite. 154 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 3: And I think you know someone like an Ostapenko who 155 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 3: can be sneaky good when she's on and obviously a 156 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 3: Grand Slam champion and Badosa after what I saw yesterday, 157 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 3: But let's not forget about Amanda anissa Mova who took 158 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 3: out golf yesterday, and and Amanda Anissimova has underachieved in 159 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: my career and in her career, I think, in my opinion, 160 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 3: but I think she sort of let everybody knows she's 161 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: here to stay for a very long time. 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When you know? 206 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 3: It was funny because in our studio at ESPN, you know, 207 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 3: Chris mckendrey and all the girls, we were kind of like, 208 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 3: oh yeah, and all those I mean, they're so emotional, 209 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 3: aren't they? 210 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 4: These women? Wait? What men? I mean it was a 211 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 4: joke what I saw last night in Caught One. 212 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 3: Nick Kurios should have been fine, should be fined so 213 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 3: much money, and he should have been given so many 214 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 3: point penalties yesterday for the amount of times he said 215 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 3: fuck out loud. It was obvious for the TVBC, he 216 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 3: was obvious for the fans to see and hear sits 217 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: a past side and heard it. I mean he said 218 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: at one stage at a set down and I believe 219 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 3: it was for all on the second set and I 220 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: think he might have been down in the game and 221 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 3: he looked towards his box and said, I don't fucking care. 222 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 3: I don't fucking care. And I'm like what, And it's 223 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: he does care. It's just complete and utter like it's 224 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 3: his way of like pretending he doesn't care, and everybody 225 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 3: knows he cares. But the fact that the umpire didn't say, Nick, 226 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 3: if you mouth if one more time, I'm giving you 227 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 3: a warning and I'm gonna give you a point penal 228 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 3: the and it'll be a game and it'll be the 229 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 3: match next time. Then the flip side is sits a 230 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 3: pass is hitting balls all over the shop. He's hit 231 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 3: it into the crowd, he's sitting into the stands, he's 232 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 3: I mean, it was a joke. And if I'm not 233 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: anyone says, oh, they were acting like women, Oh my god, 234 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 3: I'm gonna have it like men. 235 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: They were acting like whiny, spoiled men. Curious in particular, 236 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 2: could not agree with you more. If that had been 237 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 2: nipped in the bud. I mean you could make the 238 00:10:58,320 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: argument for the past couple of years had it been 239 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 2: in it nipped it in the bud. You know, sure 240 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 2: he's going to mouth off, Sure he's going to be emotional, 241 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: that's fine. But when it gets to clear violations that 242 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: are unevenly being administered, and you're right, Titsu pass was 243 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: out of line, but he at least did get one 244 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: point penalty. 245 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: He at least got penalized. 246 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: Nick, the performative stuff has got to go. Obviously, incredible talent, 247 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: obviously should be here regularly. Whatever it is. He doesn't 248 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: want to show that he cares too much. He's got 249 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: emotional anger issues. Look, get yourself sorted, but don't put 250 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 2: on a performance like that where you're screaming at your box. 251 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: You're dropping off bombs. Kids are watching. 252 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 2: It's clear violation and the umpire was not truly raining 253 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 2: it in enough. I think that there needs to be 254 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 2: As we've talked about many times before, you nip it 255 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: in the bud. You make a couple of cases early, 256 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 2: you do what you need to do to make sure 257 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 2: that it doesn't keep happening, and you don't move the 258 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 2: line so they know where the line is and to me, 259 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 2: the line was crossed multiple times, and it honestly took 260 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: away from what was a great tennis match. Ultimately, a 261 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 2: very competitive four set could have gone either way tennis match. 262 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: I think if titsu Pas wins that foreset, he played 263 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 2: terrible in that tiebreak. But I think if he wins it, 264 00:11:58,280 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: he wins the match. Right, there's no way out of 265 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: five he doesn't regain the momentum and Nick sort of 266 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: feeds away. So to me, the fact that there was 267 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 2: needing to be so much officiating because these men were 268 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: behaving badly, but also because there wasn't enough officiating, to me, 269 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: was sort of the issue because it took away from 270 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 2: what was a great tennis match at the end of 271 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: the day. 272 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: And there's one thing about personality, right Ili nes Dazi, 273 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 3: John McEnroe sort of the past. Oh, we're looking for 274 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 3: the you know, we want a bit of personality in 275 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 3: the game. Hey, so do I Like I was a 276 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 3: little bit of a nightmare on the court myself, But 277 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 3: I tell you what, if I said fuck out loud 278 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: one time, I'm getting a warning and maybe because the 279 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 3: crowd's not there for me like they are for Nick, 280 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 3: and sort of it drowns it out a little bit, 281 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 3: But it's not the point. The point is if an 282 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 3: umpire sees me say fuck once, I'm probably gonna get 283 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 3: at least a soft warning, a stubs it. You know, 284 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 3: what's your work, give me the wang, the weird bit 285 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 3: of a wink wink, you know. But the amount of 286 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: times he said f out loud and verbally obviously to 287 00:12:58,600 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: see and. 288 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 4: Then sits has spray and balls. 289 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 3: I swear to God, the three of them, and I'm 290 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 3: including the umpire should all be gone out of the tournament. 291 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 4: I mean that umpire. 292 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 3: I hoped it never gets another match during this tournament. 293 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 3: And everyone say, oh, it's tough, Nickxon nightmare like to umpire. Okay, mate, 294 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 3: you've got rules. There are laws. There are laws and 295 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 3: by laws in the books that you go by. And 296 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 3: you know, one of the things about sister about hitting 297 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 3: the ball, and they said, well it didn't hit anybody. 298 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 4: Okay, fuck that. Sorry. 299 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 3: If you hit a ball directly into the crowd, that 300 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 3: is an instant That could be an instant default, in my. 301 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: Opinion, instant default. 302 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: I've talked about this before because people were talking about 303 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 2: when Djokovic hit the umpire at the US Open, a 304 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 2: couple of years ago, like, oh, it was so unlucky. 305 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: It wasn't unlucky if you. 306 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: Saw Djokovic throw rackets and balls around prior to that 307 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 2: when he was asked about it, Oh, hey you almost 308 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: hit somebody, Hey almost somebody got hurt. Hey you missed 309 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: that umpire at the O two Arena for the the 310 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 2: ATP Finals by a hair And he'll say, oh, but 311 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 2: I didn't, but it didn't happen. But and it's just 312 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 2: if you abdopted a zero talent's policy where these people 313 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: who are working the umpires, the ball kids, the linesmen, 314 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 2: this is their place of work and we have to 315 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: be thoughtful about the fact that there are rules and 316 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: then should be evenly applied. And if that means you're 317 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: afraid to escalate something because Nick Curios might go mental, 318 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 2: then that's what happens and he makes he's made an 319 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 2: example of and it's a it's a huge issue, but 320 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 2: we move on and he learns to do better the 321 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 2: next time. So for me, I love tennis so much 322 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: and I don't mind the personalities just like you do. 323 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: But the application of the rules should happen because rules exist, 324 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 2: and you do it A couple of times you are 325 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,359 Speaker 2: really super harsh about it, and then everybody learns where 326 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: the boundary is. Express your emotion, but don't put anybody 327 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: at risk, or don't make a mockery of the sport 328 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: out there on the grass at Wimbledon by dropping f 329 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: bombs and you know, left, right and center. It's just it, 330 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 2: it's beyond the pal So I agree with you. All 331 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: three of them tossed out of the tournament. 332 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 3: And I heard that, you know, one of the rumors 333 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 3: is that they don't put him on center court because 334 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: of this situation. They don't want him on there because 335 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 3: of that. So you know, Nick, you're not helping yourself either. 336 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 3: But maybe he likes playing on court one. And you know, 337 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 3: I talked to sits past prior to the tournament about 338 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 3: playing on center cord and how meaningful that would be 339 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 3: to be the first Greek to be on that cord, 340 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: and he probably fell bit slighter at not being on 341 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 3: the court, to be honest with you, And it was 342 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: sad not to have that opportunity to be the first 343 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 3: Greek to be on that court in the one hundred 344 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 3: year celebration. Yeah, so very very disgusting disgrace all from all, 345 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 3: and apparently the referee told the umpire, hey, give him 346 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 3: a warning, and the umpire didn't do it, So what 347 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 3: the hell Like? Anyway, I could talk about disastrous umpires 348 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 3: for the rest of my life, and I could also 349 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 3: talk about disastrous. 350 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 4: Tennis players for the rest of my life. 351 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 3: But another little controversy that happened on Senate Court with 352 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: I mean, let's face it, probably one of my favorites 353 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 3: of all time is Raphael Nadal. He is up a 354 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 3: set two sets of love four two, and apparently Sonigo 355 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: asked for the roof to be closed because it was 356 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 3: getting dark. But there's no doubt they had a couple 357 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 3: of games up their sleeve that they and Ruffa was 358 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 3: probably thinking, mate, I'm gonna finish you off in a 359 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 3: couple of games. 360 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 4: Let's just get out of here. But then they closed 361 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 4: the roof. 362 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 3: And then when the roof came closed, Sonigo played a 363 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 3: bit of a good game to break Raffa, and Raffa 364 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 3: was a bit pissed off, I think, And apparently Sonigo, 365 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: you know, he's got quite the grunt on him, and 366 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 3: you know, I think Raffa was a little bit annoyed 367 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 3: about the length of grunts and it was a bit 368 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 3: of a hindrance. So apparently he I know he did. 369 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 3: He calls Sonago up from the baseline to the net 370 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 3: to have a little conversation about it. Was like, listen, 371 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 3: Daddy needs to talk to you. Come up here. I'm 372 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 3: going to tell you where things up, and apparently said listen, 373 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 3: you go and talk to the umpire. Now, I love Ruffa, 374 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 3: but that's so out of line, Like that's a that 375 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 3: was out of line. And then and then at the 376 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: net after the match, they had this long conversation and 377 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 3: looked terrible. So that's a check mark on Rafa being 378 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 3: out of line there. And I love Raffa and I 379 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 3: know he tries to maybe like handle it between the 380 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 3: boys kind of thing, but that was out of line 381 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 3: from Raffa and it didn't look good. 382 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: I agree with you. 383 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 2: I think that's what the umpire's for. If you have 384 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: an issue with what your opponent is doing, talk to 385 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: the empire. If you don't think the roof should be closed, 386 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: which by the way, takes what six seven minutes, it 387 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 2: is a bit of a disruption and play and if 388 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: you have more games to go. Anybody who's been up 389 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: looking within closing and then starts to feel a few 390 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 2: rain drops. 391 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 3: Or yeah, like John isna the other day against Murray, 392 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 3: it's like, are you joking? I'm like two service games 393 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 3: which take all of about forty five seconds to get through, 394 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: and now you're going to close the roof. But John 395 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 3: just took it in his stride and I'm not winning. 396 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: Great, so you can get over it as a tennis player, 397 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: but it is obviously a bit of a disruption to 398 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 2: say like, oh, we're almost so close to the finish line, 399 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 2: can we just finish? So I get why that's a 400 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 2: bit of a you know, a momentum killer and you know, 401 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: a bit of shift and energy. 402 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: That's said. 403 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: The umpires exist and should be doing their jobs such 404 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: that you can say, hey listen, I don't want the 405 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: roof closed, or hey listen, his grunt is now a hindrance, 406 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: which is a little bit rich coming from Rafo. 407 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: Just because his grunt is also not nothing. 408 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it doesn't prolong like son sone goes is 409 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 3: so bad. It's like it's like, I mean, I don't 410 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 3: want to get into it. 411 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: It's like a two parter. 412 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 2: It keeps going into your stroke, which I agree with 413 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 2: you is where that is where the line should be. 414 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 2: But I think we can generally say, Renee, as we 415 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 2: have many many times before, men, get your house in order, 416 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 2: get your shit together, well, seriously, get it together. 417 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 3: I mean, we hear about all this complaining about oh, 418 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 3: the women's handshakes and blah blah blah, and the guys 419 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 3: are so good at the and I, you know, far 420 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 3: out last night was just a bloody shit show. 421 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: Bloody shit show. 422 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: While speaking of being great at the net, I need 423 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: to go catch the second half of Coco vandaway Alison 424 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 2: Risk against one of the Chan sisters, Angel Chan oh Yama, 425 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 2: who are double specialists and absolutely brilliantly competing out on 426 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: court three. So I'm gonna go catch that with the 427 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 2: Armitrage family. And I just want to say, Renee, it 428 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: is a delight to be doing with this with you 429 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: after I haven't been here for a few years. On 430 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 2: top of the roof on a beautiful sunny day, middle 431 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 2: Sunday Centenary of Center Court. 432 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: What a place to be. This is truly magical. 433 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 3: And it's sunny, which is, you know, a rarity. Although 434 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 3: it's been quite chilly here in Wimbledon this year. Can 435 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 3: we just get a little on the record of who 436 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 3: we think is gonna win now, Caitlin, Men's and women's. 437 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 2: I'm gonna vote with my heart, not my mind, and say, Rafa, 438 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: maybe that's dumb because you never know. But as we've noted, 439 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 2: he played and won the French on a dead foot, 440 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 2: so anything is possible. Djokovic is capable of winning this 441 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 2: tournament quite easily. He's also capable of pulling something totally 442 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 2: random and who knows. On the women's side, I think 443 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: head and Hurt says Onstubburr. I love on your rate, 444 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 2: her variety, her power, she has it. She's now one 445 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 2: as the favorite a couple of times, and on grass. 446 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 2: But what I love so much is to me, there 447 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: are legitimately four people who can win it on the 448 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,239 Speaker 2: women's side, and I wouldn't be surprised. And I think 449 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: you're right, Anissimova is one of them, Bodosa, and look, 450 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 2: you know Simona Hallip has. 451 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: Won it before. 452 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 4: Wait to sit on the fence. 453 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: I mean, just pick a. 454 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 4: Winner on all right. 455 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 3: I think Oniba as well, and I could make the 456 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 3: same argument, but Angibra and I think Novak Djokovic will 457 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 3: win his fourth in a row and his eighth Wimbledon title, 458 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,479 Speaker 3: because you know why not. Men just keep breaking records. Caitlin, 459 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 3: so joy to have you here. You're pain in the ass, 460 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 3: but I still love you and everybody keep watching ESPN. 461 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 3: I know you complain about certain things about it, but 462 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: we try our best and we try and give you 463 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 3: everything that we can. 464 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 2: Oh and Renee, good luck in the legends. You've got 465 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: a big mixt coming up. Any thoughts about that before 466 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 2: we leave our audience with wanting more? 467 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 3: Absolutely not, do not watch any of that on ESPN Plus. 468 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 3: Just tune into the real tennis, although if I dive, 469 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 3: I'll put it out on Twitter, I promise. 470 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 4: All right, guys, thanks for joining us. Listen to the crowd. Bye.