Speaker 1: On today's episode the Command Center Podcast, we're talking the
Speaker 1: art of defense and Joe Whippins is the painter.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: We talked about the next evolution of this defense set
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, how do we get to be
Speaker 1: a top tag group and how these new additions are
Speaker 1: going to help us get there? And I am dreaming
Speaker 1: of Dan Quinn. It all starts right now, Nightmares. Welcome
Speaker 1: to thecmand Center Podcast. I'm Logan Paulson here with Fred
Speaker 1: Smoot and Santana Mos.
Speaker 2: Yeh, guys, how's father said? It was great? Man?
Speaker 3: You know what, I did my studies on Father's Day
Speaker 3: and it turns out, Logan, that they spin the public
Speaker 3: spins ten billion more dollars on Mother's Day compared to
Speaker 3: Father's Day. How do you feel as a father knowing
Speaker 3: that we are short changed in debt?
Speaker 2: And rich? Oh?
Speaker 1: I think you know, when it comes to mothers and fathers,
Speaker 1: mothers carry a lot of that burden, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Early on, like, you know, they carry the
Speaker 1: baby and a lot of early stuff, changing diapers early.
Speaker 1: Not that I and changing diapers or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but uh, they're probably about ten times more important.
Speaker 2: It don't make us ten times less important.
Speaker 4: I just think about it though, as a father, as
Speaker 4: a dude, period, do you care someone buy you something?
Speaker 2: Mothers do? Women do?
Speaker 3: They?
Speaker 4: They love gifts, they loved to be you know, thought
Speaker 4: about so regardless of what it is, I just feel like,
Speaker 4: of course they're going to spend more money on mothers
Speaker 4: because women love nice things.
Speaker 2: They you know, we're buying women nice things daily. You know.
Speaker 4: A father a guy, I don't want anything. You know,
Speaker 4: I can get it myself.
Speaker 2: So what would you walk for? Father? No? No, he can
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Speaker 2: I did not cook.
Speaker 3: My kids took me to that great French restaurant, waff
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Speaker 2: I love waffle House.
Speaker 3: That's one of my things. So my kids, no long
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Speaker 2: You pay for They took me to waffle House. Paid
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Speaker 2: And we got to compete. My kids know, I like
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Speaker 1: It's talking football, but specifically defense, the art of the defense. Right,
Speaker 1: and so I think you know, we're kind of in
Speaker 1: this time of year, we're kind of looking forward towards
Speaker 1: training camp. It's a very exciting time, kind of look
Speaker 1: back at last year, things that they did well, things
Speaker 1: that they could do better. So let's just start from
Speaker 1: the jump and basically kind of explain to the listeners
Speaker 1: and the viewers if you're watching on YouTube Joe A
Speaker 1: Junior and his scheme, what type of scheme, what type
Speaker 1: of defense does he play? Let's just start at the simplest.
Speaker 1: Why not I guess I could start here right, So
Speaker 1: to me, when I watch him on film, they are
Speaker 1: a base four down team. So that means there's four
Speaker 1: defensive linemen. Usually they play an overfront, so they're gonna
Speaker 1: have one defensive tackle shade to the strong side. He's
Speaker 1: gonna line up on the outside shoulder the guard. They're
Speaker 1: gonna have somebody over the outside shoulder of the tackle.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have a backside shade, so someone on the
Speaker 1: shoulder of the center. So those four guys are there,
Speaker 1: and then they play anywhere from four to three linebackers.
Speaker 1: And if they're a nickel, they play two. And they
Speaker 1: kind of want to be a single high safety team.
Speaker 1: If they are in too high safety, usually they're rotating
Speaker 1: to a single high look. But they have they can
Speaker 1: play two, they can play three, they can play quarters.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's a fair characterization of what the
Speaker 1: multiple fronts?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I call it multiple fronts. But I also
Speaker 3: call it the outside to inside defense. They protect the outside,
Speaker 3: meaning they protect the corners. It's a caller friendly defense
Speaker 3: that puts more pressure on the interior to make plays
Speaker 3: than production. So like what like all right, the responsible
Speaker 3: like different defenses protect different people.
Speaker 2: And in this defense, when I.
Speaker 3: Say corner friendly, they want the corners to make plays.
Speaker 3: So if you want the corners to be aggressive and
Speaker 3: make plays. That's why they always keep one safety in
Speaker 3: the middle of the field to make sure they never
Speaker 3: have to cover post. They eliminate route trees. And when
Speaker 3: you eliminate route trees, that mean I need to have
Speaker 3: some big boys up front that can handle their self
Speaker 3: like I can independently let them go do their job
Speaker 3: with that have the second guess, and that's why the
Speaker 3: key position in this one. And I know everybody gonna
Speaker 3: say the key position every defense is the middle linebacker.
Speaker 3: But the key to this defense is the middle linebacker.
Speaker 3: Do you think they did that because Bobby's here? Do
Speaker 3: you think that that was the point emphasis?
Speaker 1: Because it makes sense to me, like yeah, Like why
Speaker 1: not have a guy with the most experienced kind of yes,
Speaker 1: lead to lead to dout Like that's why it's a
Speaker 1: middle linebacker lid defense and doing it you fundel everything
Speaker 1: back inside to these guys.
Speaker 4: So being that you're a defensive guy, and I love
Speaker 4: asking these kind of questions that you in London when
Speaker 4: you look at the difference from how the Cowboys played
Speaker 4: it two years ago with the same staff, what's different
Speaker 4: because we have that middle linebacker?
Speaker 3: You No, No, we have the middle linebacker they didn't have,
Speaker 3: and we're bigger interior than they were. That's why they
Speaker 3: If you look at it, when they was there, everybody
Speaker 3: used to break runs.
Speaker 2: It was like the SA gap. Maybe it's going as
Speaker 2: for those who know the.
Speaker 4: Reason why, I asked that question too, because I feel
Speaker 4: like we both had the same handicap. You know, we
Speaker 4: both had a problem with stopping the run. You see
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, So what what makes us Because it's
Speaker 4: a light of box. It's only a light of box.
Speaker 1: Let's let's just shift it into neutral for a second.
Speaker 1: So when we say box esically people that you've designated
Speaker 1: to stop the run stop the run, right, So like you,
Speaker 1: people throw that term around all the time. So usually
Speaker 1: you've got you got six blockers, you've got seven defenders.
Speaker 2: Yes, now modern defense, we have six defense. Six on
Speaker 2: six is even.
Speaker 1: It's even, right, So you got to play like a
Speaker 1: gap in a half because everyone's got to beat a
Speaker 1: blocker and everybody has to win because you want more
Speaker 1: coverage focused, right, And so it's interesting to you ask
Speaker 1: about the difference between Dallas and now, Like one of
Speaker 1: the things about Dallas is I felt like they really
Speaker 1: wanted to be in man coverage a lot. They wanted
Speaker 1: to be in man coverage, and then their change up
Speaker 1: was sometimes some type of Tampa Tuoe right basically right,
Speaker 1: or some type of.
Speaker 2: Fires on ye undred percent.
Speaker 1: And so when I look at this now, I thought
Speaker 1: last year Joe A Junior played way more zone than
Speaker 1: he used right because again, like.
Speaker 2: Because the person I think it was a personality.
Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, yeah, so I think that's what
Speaker 1: i'd say. And again, like we talked about the fronts,
Speaker 1: four down front they can get in three down fronts.
Speaker 1: They have some flexibility right to disguise, but I think
Speaker 1: at their core.
Speaker 3: Yeah, think about this defense. I want you to think about.
Speaker 3: I want you to go back to Green Bay. Like
Speaker 3: everybody likes to go back to the Cowboys, I didn't
Speaker 3: like to go back to Seattle.
Speaker 2: I say, go back to green with Joe jun reserve.
Speaker 3: Yes, when you go back to Green Bay, this defense
Speaker 3: is very much built like Peyton Manning's coach defense. Built
Speaker 3: to play with the lead. Oh, it's built to play
Speaker 3: with the lead. That means we're gonna rush the passer.
Speaker 3: We're built more for the past than we are to run.
Speaker 3: That's how I want like, that's why I want you
Speaker 3: to really think about this defense. Now, what we did
Speaker 3: in the off season were reinforced. No, we're gonna we're
Speaker 3: gonna really get bigger for the run and we're gonna
Speaker 3: force you to pass. So now we're gonna take a
Speaker 3: whole different direction to this thing and we're gonna force
Speaker 3: you to pass. So I anticipate us playing a little
Speaker 3: bit more zone than we did last year and being
Speaker 3: more forced for on first down. First down, we're gonna
Speaker 3: play more man. After that, we're gonna play more zone. Interesting, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I kind of would say.
Speaker 1: So, you know, talking about strengths and weaknesses of the team,
Speaker 1: I got to tell you brought it up like them
Speaker 1: stopping the run wasn't a great thing last year, and
Speaker 1: I think we can all attest to that they were
Speaker 1: if they were last but they really struggled in terms
Speaker 1: in that category. And so one of the things you
Speaker 1: look at is you say, I feel like the defense
Speaker 1: and in front alluded to it a little bit. Is
Speaker 1: you want to make sure that you are gap sound
Speaker 1: forcing the ball back to the mic.
Speaker 2: Yes, essentially is what you're trying to do.
Speaker 1: And so when you get guys on the edge, like
Speaker 1: Dante Fowler, who again I thought had a great year
Speaker 1: turned the sack production almost.
Speaker 2: Saxon production, but run support different.
Speaker 1: And so when you look at some of the explosive
Speaker 1: runs they were, I think they were the third highest
Speaker 1: in terms of explosive runs given up. They really had
Speaker 1: a hard time with that. So what they've done is
Speaker 1: they've gone out and got Dietrich Wise and resigned cluland Fell.
Speaker 1: They've got King Loves, They've got kin Law guys. That
Speaker 1: Goldman is a great I'm really glad you brought that up.
Speaker 1: Ten guys that are a little bit more stout on
Speaker 1: the interior but also bigger on the edges to again
Speaker 1: like because they play so they play a six technique,
Speaker 1: and so like, think about it, if I'm a tight end,
Speaker 1: a six technique lines up directly over directly, that's a
Speaker 1: really hard technique to play. So if you're playing a nine,
Speaker 1: like it's easy to box the run, I just attack
Speaker 1: the tight ends outside shoulder tournament tournament turn their button
Speaker 1: the hole and then the back has to cut it back.
Speaker 2: When there are six, they kind of have to two gap,
Speaker 2: which is really challenging.
Speaker 1: So like when getting a bigger body in that spot
Speaker 1: is going to be really.
Speaker 2: Helpful because it allows you to get penetration.
Speaker 3: If I get penetration, like it's a different between me
Speaker 3: literally getting the block right here and just Steyman in
Speaker 3: the block and me going.
Speaker 2: Two steps ahead of you and trying to penetrate. Like
Speaker 2: now we got guys they can they here to play
Speaker 2: the run. So that's some of it. And I don't
Speaker 2: like to be talking about nobody else.
Speaker 4: But when you look at a team like the Giants,
Speaker 4: they had that big dude in the middle Dix launched,
Speaker 4: did they are we doing some of the things similar
Speaker 4: to how he clogged things up?
Speaker 1: So that's a that's a great question because that's more
Speaker 1: of a three down front. So what I'd say is
Speaker 1: like you got like a noseguard and two four eyes
Speaker 1: and then two guys on the perimeter nine technique, so
Speaker 1: they like to box. The edge of this is like
Speaker 1: who else runs this? Like Minnesota ran this, Detroit runs Yeah,
Speaker 1: so a lot of people run a version of this
Speaker 1: with like crash nines, So those wide nines box to run.
Speaker 1: We are a little bit tighter with our allunance here.
Speaker 1: And again, like there's pros and cons to that and
Speaker 1: it makes it easier to bounce to me, to force
Speaker 1: the ball to bounce, which is what you want to
Speaker 1: give the linebacker time to take a good angle and
Speaker 1: make that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, So there are pros and cons, But I think
Speaker 1: getting you.
Speaker 2: For a bounce, though, do you want to? I want
Speaker 2: him to bounce corners to be to tackle to tackle.
Speaker 3: Like, if I can get him to bounce, he going laterally,
Speaker 3: not vertically, Like I don't want him outside. Now you
Speaker 3: get now defense, I can Now we can chase him,
Speaker 3: got you, because if not, we're gonna be chasing him vertically.
Speaker 3: There's a whole different pattern that we want.
Speaker 4: But I just you know the reason why I asked that,
Speaker 4: because when he explained it about having a guy wider
Speaker 4: and making him turn that turn his butt into the whole.
Speaker 4: To me, as a guy who has to block, yeah,
Speaker 4: you never want to turn your butt into the rug,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. You never want to slow
Speaker 4: things down for that run. You want to you want
Speaker 4: to get that running a two way go. You want
Speaker 4: to take that way where he said if he cut
Speaker 4: off him, go inside or I can go outside.
Speaker 2: To me, I think that's hard, that's harder for you
Speaker 2: to defend. You see what I'm saying. So that's why
Speaker 2: I asked that question.
Speaker 1: Just here said it's a great point. I think it's
Speaker 1: harder for is to play a true six and they
Speaker 1: don't play it's like kind of a it's a tight nine, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's like a yeah as a but as a
Speaker 1: tight end. I always preferred that because they're right on
Speaker 1: top of you and get on them quick. But and
Speaker 1: it's it's harder for the defensive player. But if you
Speaker 1: get somebody who can play it well, it covers you
Speaker 1: up versus a lot of different run looks and you
Speaker 1: can play the six man box that we were talking about,
Speaker 1: like if they're a nickel, right, it gives you some
Speaker 1: more flexibility, which is why I think you play the
Speaker 1: front like this is the same type of front that
Speaker 1: Seattle played, Yeah, but the way that Seattle played it
Speaker 1: to get around it. This is back in the day
Speaker 1: when people couldn't throw the way they throw.
Speaker 3: But they had Michael Bennett who was excellent in the run.
Speaker 3: Like everybody talking about his past rushing. The reason they
Speaker 3: was good with the Legion of Doom because Michael Bennet
Speaker 3: destroyed run plays. I'm talking first second down, and anytime
Speaker 3: you get behind the downs with this defense, you're talking
Speaker 3: second in thirteen or second left, that's when this defense
Speaker 3: fires out.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And so like, yeah, I mean that's a
Speaker 1: great point. With Seattle, you have had some really good football players,
Speaker 1: but also they did a really good job of like
Speaker 1: what Tanna is talking about making or they had overhangs.
Speaker 1: You can't do that as much anymore because they pass
Speaker 1: goes to the passing game is so crazy. But I
Speaker 1: do think four down kind of these tight nine six
Speaker 1: technique type of alignments and uh and I do think
Speaker 1: so to me, getting people that are just going to
Speaker 1: be in the right spots are going to be really
Speaker 1: helpful in terms of clearing that stuff up. You know,
Speaker 1: we're looking at again that's that's the run game, and
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be a big change in
Speaker 1: terms of making it more positive. Is just getting guys
Speaker 1: getting personnel. Like we talked about the edges there a
Speaker 1: little bit. I also think getting a guy like Goldman
Speaker 1: in there, Yeah, that plays that backside shape, they will
Speaker 1: not move. That's dealing with the guards center double teams
Speaker 1: quite a bit. That's going to keep guys off of Bobby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you always hear Fletch talk about how like Ray Lewis
Speaker 1: had Tony Sarah and Adam Adams, he's kind of that.
Speaker 4: Body to him that one year he didn't have him
Speaker 4: boy get what he win and he would getting pushed
Speaker 4: and brought somebody back.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, And so I think that's in terms of
Speaker 1: biggest weaknesses from last year, stopping the run is one
Speaker 1: that really sticks out to me, And I like it
Speaker 1: wasn't so much a scheme thing, it was more of
Speaker 1: a personnel thing because even late in the year, for example,
Speaker 1: like you'd see like an RPO for example, like from
Speaker 1: Philly in RPO is like run pass option, and you
Speaker 1: would see the guys kind of freelancing it.
Speaker 2: And when you're playing an RPO, you got to do
Speaker 2: your job right. And so I think getting more confidence
Speaker 2: in those guys on the edges doing their thing, that's
Speaker 2: going to help the linebackers, that's going to help the secondary,
Speaker 2: that's going to help the nickel players do what they're
Speaker 2: supposed to do.
Speaker 3: So I think that's so you are you really to
Speaker 3: agree with me about interior age?
Speaker 1: Well, so in this defense, I actually think edges are important. Point.
Speaker 3: Are you willing to agree that interior rushers are.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you've got a beast one, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think I've ever been really pushing
Speaker 1: back the hand hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I.
Speaker 1: Think you're saying that because I think this is my
Speaker 1: issue with your argument. So if you're not familiar this
Speaker 1: first time you're watching the show, friend's argument is that
Speaker 1: an interior pass rusher is more valuable because if you
Speaker 1: look at the teams that have won super Bowls, they've
Speaker 1: got interior pass rushers. And I just don't agree with
Speaker 1: that as a data point.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, all right, okay, can we agree
Speaker 2: t J?
Speaker 3: Y Miles Garrett, uh, Trey Henderson.
Speaker 2: He's not like the top past edge rushers.
Speaker 3: No super Bowl, no super Bowl, no playoffs, no playoffs,
Speaker 3: no playoffs, no playoffs.
Speaker 2: TJ. You got a super Bowl? No? All right?
Speaker 3: Chris Jones Interior super Bowl, Jaylen Cattle Interior super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Sweat with the threat, Jayleen Cottle with the threat.
Speaker 1: I mean Jallen Carter is like a unicorn. Like that's
Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's like, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: No thing I do believe in.
Speaker 1: But if you put both, if you put Chris Jones,
Speaker 1: on Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: You do mean't gonna get a super Bowl? No, no,
Speaker 2: because he got back My thing. This is my take
Speaker 2: on saying is let's go through the top five edge rushers.
Speaker 2: Let's go through the.
Speaker 3: Top Finli he got the most playoff wins.
Speaker 2: I hear an argument, but it's just not those guys
Speaker 2: by themself. That's winning on something. Nothing by yourself. There's
Speaker 2: nothing by But I'm.
Speaker 4: Saying to your argument, I would say that I do
Speaker 4: kind of side with you when it comes to interior
Speaker 4: only for the fact that if you have a Tom
Speaker 4: Brady Peyton Manning style quarterback, I'm collapsing his you know,
Speaker 4: the guys in front of him and put them on
Speaker 4: his lap. Now he has to a guy that's not mobile.
Speaker 4: He got to get rid of that. Even the mobile guy,
Speaker 4: you got to get through it. See, that argument makes
Speaker 4: more sense to me. That argument makes more sense because
Speaker 4: it's like, yes, I do think interior pass rush is
Speaker 4: valuable because of that reason, not because they're winning super Bowls.
Speaker 3: No, no, I if you do the numbers, crush these numbers.
Speaker 2: Now, I know your daddy is asking me, and your
Speaker 2: daddy got more company than you and your dad. Check
Speaker 2: this out. All I'm telling you, look at.
Speaker 3: The numbers of the top five d tackles and look
Speaker 3: at the numbers of the top five Edge Russian. You
Speaker 3: tell me who's affecting the game. The interior fixed the
Speaker 3: run game, It affixed the past game. It's three downs
Speaker 3: of affecting it. Edge Russe is primarily on passing downs. Sure,
Speaker 3: I'm talking about somebody to fick, first, shaken.
Speaker 2: And third I got you. I mean, they do effect
Speaker 2: one thing about you. We can't argue with you, so.
Speaker 1: You argue.
Speaker 3: I just get tired of turning on my radio and
Speaker 3: all I hear is people when we're gonna.
Speaker 2: Get an aedge rushing, we're gonna get age.
Speaker 4: When I'm like, but that's just like when when you
Speaker 4: got guys, that's saying you need a you need some receivers.
Speaker 4: When you have a great quarterback, you don't need great receivers.
Speaker 4: You need capable you know you guys you can go
Speaker 4: out and get the ball to it. And that goes
Speaker 4: back to your argument as when we're gonna get ass
Speaker 4: rushers when you have a corp of guys, meaning that
Speaker 4: you have a nice uh front front seven, you have
Speaker 4: guys in the interior you have capable guys on the
Speaker 4: outside together collectively they make up for just having one
Speaker 4: guy more special guys, So how to look at it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm really glad you brought up the interior
Speaker 1: because I do think one of the things about this
Speaker 1: defense going back to Dallas specifically, is they were always
Speaker 1: a little bit soft, little bit light in the interior. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think they've made taking really good steps here, Kim.
Speaker 4: It's a good step. So tell me this though, tell
Speaker 4: me this. You said it, so I have to ask
Speaker 4: this question. Do you think we was light or soft
Speaker 4: last year?
Speaker 2: Because I feel like we had a great interior years before.
Speaker 3: Probably, Well, I told you this defense is catered for
Speaker 3: the edges and when you do this, so.
Speaker 4: It took a lot off of the guys and it
Speaker 4: put a lot on the line and put more on
Speaker 4: them because they too gaping got you and.
Speaker 3: The best time, if you really want to defensive, interior
Speaker 3: got to dominate, let him one gap, let him find
Speaker 3: out way he goes and get there.
Speaker 4: So basically this defense took a lot from those guys
Speaker 4: in the inside. X more of them who who who
Speaker 4: excelled the last previous years, but x more came the
Speaker 4: sacks and stuff like that, but they couldn't hold up
Speaker 4: when when I guess the pressure was not on them
Speaker 4: to kind of, you know, keep things well.
Speaker 2: I think it's just more or less, uh, who you
Speaker 2: gonna care for on your defense?
Speaker 3: Like most of the defense I played for they were like, hey,
Speaker 3: go play man and man, we're gonna we're gonna draw
Speaker 3: everything for the inside guy. Like this is more of
Speaker 3: we're gonna take care of the outside guys. Y'all need
Speaker 3: to y'all need to hold well.
Speaker 1: I think it goes also again like this is a
Speaker 1: tomato tomato type of thing or chicken and egg Like
Speaker 1: which comes first is like when you play lighter boxes,
Speaker 1: when you emphasize defending the pass more. One of the
Speaker 1: things is like double teams sit longer, right, because I'm
Speaker 1: not I don't have to worry about anybody way back
Speaker 1: to this guy, right, I can really sick on this.
Speaker 1: So you have to get guys. In my opinion, watching
Speaker 1: last year, like watching gers On, watching Deron, who I
Speaker 1: think is a really good run player. Watching you know,
Speaker 1: insert your other player that played here, is like, I
Speaker 1: don't care how good you are if I get four
Speaker 1: hands on you. These offensive linemen are too good, too good, right,
Speaker 1: so you need to get and find guys. And I
Speaker 1: think you see a different team's prioritize and like put
Speaker 1: a forward for example, he's a defensive tack for the Chargers,
Speaker 1: just got paid like ten million dollars a year. He's
Speaker 1: a run stopping tackle because there is value to it
Speaker 1: on first second down. So going out and find a
Speaker 1: guy like Goldman, I think is a really good example.
Speaker 1: Like when you watch him, he knows how to play
Speaker 1: off double teams.
Speaker 2: You know he will split.
Speaker 1: Them in a way that is unique to him, right,
Speaker 1: And so I think when you look at if you
Speaker 1: can get a guy to play that shade, so like
Speaker 1: you're in double team land all the time, a three
Speaker 1: technique can get away with it a little bit, but
Speaker 1: you can get a guy in there that's good at
Speaker 1: that on first second down. He's only gonna play twenty
Speaker 1: plays a game. Fifteen plays a game like that adds
Speaker 1: a lot of value because it cleans it up for Bobby.
Speaker 1: Because so when you watch Bobby, when you watch Frank
Speaker 1: either not like I think when you think back to
Speaker 1: like Ron, when you talk about linebackers, like you know,
Speaker 1: why are John and Doron not playing well, it's because
Speaker 1: the linebackers aren't coming downhill this defense. We're not coming downhill.
Speaker 1: We're not saving you because to you. Because Bobby's got
Speaker 1: to make the play outside the hash. He's got to
Speaker 1: make the play in the B gap and the sea gap.
Speaker 2: He's got it.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not he it's it's not a one
Speaker 1: gap defense, right because of this this light box scenario. Right,
Speaker 1: So if you can get a guy in there that's
Speaker 1: good at that, then you can alleviate some of the
Speaker 1: pressure on drawn. He can just play the three technique, yes,
Speaker 1: or Jerson can play the three techniques, can look for
Speaker 1: three technique, right, And so then you can get into
Speaker 1: these passing downs. And now you've got actual past Russ
Speaker 1: juice on the interior, like we're talking about, Like I
Speaker 1: can't wait to watch darn like be the guy and
Speaker 1: rush the passers on. When you watch him from college,
Speaker 1: he got juice. When you watch kiml Us cut ups, Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: there's sometimes it looks like a runaway freight train. So
Speaker 1: I think the whole defense perspective now is like so
Speaker 1: last year, for example, they were ninth in terms of
Speaker 1: the run places they saw.
Speaker 2: That's a pretty high percentage. Right.
Speaker 1: They were twenty fourth in terms of passes. That's because
Speaker 1: they're not going to stopping the run. So once we
Speaker 1: can stop the run, force them to pay. Put the
Speaker 1: fence up right with these bigger edged players, these better
Speaker 1: guys than the interiers up. Let Bobby do his thing. Now,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you got to Now you a
Speaker 1: one trick pony. You see what I'm saying. Like we've
Speaker 1: changed the parameters here, we're still We're still we wore
Speaker 1: if we wants to.
Speaker 2: We went got.
Speaker 3: Bigger to winning first down. We went got bigger in
Speaker 3: the trenches to wien first down. If you wien first down,
Speaker 3: sickon and third down becomes how should I call it?
Speaker 2: Very easy for us if I get you behind the
Speaker 2: change and sick in.
Speaker 3: Any living Now you'll pass the team, your passing team.
Speaker 3: And now I know you a passing team. And now
Speaker 3: we're gonna do what we do well, we do best,
Speaker 3: and it's cover.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And they're third in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And pass defense last year with one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: nine point five yard is awesome.
Speaker 2: Because nobody had to They ain't even have to.
Speaker 1: Throw correct So now we're going to force that. But
Speaker 1: now we got you know, Trey Mos, we got Mike Harris. Still,
Speaker 1: we've got Marshall Lattimore, we got Will Harris, we got
Speaker 1: Kawon Martin in the back end. And I think this
Speaker 1: is another thing where you see a vision I love.
Speaker 1: Like we've talked about this all the time. Ten, it's
Speaker 1: like when the GM has a vision for the offense
Speaker 1: and the defense. Like everybody's like, we were bad in this.
Speaker 1: We're going to get better. We're going to get you
Speaker 1: to second and ten and we're going to dare you
Speaker 1: to throw the football because we got a bunch of
Speaker 1: dudes who they played it.
Speaker 2: You can play man and then yes.
Speaker 1: Tanna right, how many times we talk about that, dude
Speaker 1: aren't going to be lost playing the football.
Speaker 2: Now Playton football.
Speaker 3: But the reason we need to win first down is
Speaker 3: because if you see a quarterback like Jedi five standing
Speaker 3: on the other sideline, I'm going to run the ball
Speaker 3: because now it defensively keeps him opening when they say.
Speaker 2: It no more. We're gonna win first down and we're gonna.
Speaker 3: Force shoot the pays the ball and put the balls
Speaker 3: in harm's way so we can get five back on
Speaker 3: the field.
Speaker 2: That's what they did with the guys they went got
Speaker 2: in the off season.
Speaker 1: It's just like Fred, you said this, and I experienced
Speaker 1: this when I was in Atlanta, Like the defense was
Speaker 1: built to play with the lead. Yes, and you then
Speaker 1: you hurt yourself on first second down a little bit, right,
Speaker 1: because unless the game script starts flipping where it's like
Speaker 1: two minute situations, end of games scenario's second half where
Speaker 1: you're down, we got to throw the ball time you're
Speaker 1: you're putting that smaller, undersized defensive line in a tough spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think Fred brought up a great point, you know,
Speaker 1: because he does that every once in a while. He said, like,
Speaker 1: we got bigger to be better when the game flow
Speaker 1: is not in favor.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So now it's I don't want to say we got
Speaker 1: two teams. So we got guys that you can kind
Speaker 1: of like the Bass bros. You put them out there.
Speaker 1: I can play two different games and then I look
Speaker 1: at when hey man, it's second and eleven or third
Speaker 1: and twelve. Yeah, Frankly, woo come out of here, Jacob, come
Speaker 1: out here. We got we got some people that can blitz.
Speaker 1: We got to look and rush we got and again
Speaker 1: like there's where you went.
Speaker 2: Yes's some time, and so.
Speaker 1: I think like it kind of runs a little bit
Speaker 1: like a hockey rotate.
Speaker 2: That's what we taught. We just asked this course.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, do you want a
Speaker 4: variety of different kind of players that do you want
Speaker 4: the same?
Speaker 2: Same answer that.
Speaker 4: Question, a variety because you want to be able to
Speaker 4: play different styles of play game.
Speaker 1: Don't come with his challenges and ideally you want somebody
Speaker 1: who could do both.
Speaker 2: But that's a perfect world. That's a perfect world. The
Speaker 2: world ain't perfect.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get these guys in here, and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: get Biggert so I can win first down.
Speaker 2: Cause I always say it changes. I would love variety
Speaker 2: with the same output of you know, production. You said
Speaker 2: that that's a great point.
Speaker 1: So I think that's kind of the way, okay, scheme,
Speaker 1: it's the I think it'll be largely the same. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think if you can make some of these
Speaker 1: personnel improvements, you're gonna be cooking. Now let's get a
Speaker 1: little bit deeper on the coverage, right, So, I see Fred,
Speaker 1: and I want to get your perspective on this. I
Speaker 1: see a team that wants to play more man coverage, Yes,
Speaker 1: they do because it allows your pressure. Right, we can
Speaker 1: blitz more. We can just do some different things with
Speaker 1: the rotation in the back end. We can have lord
Speaker 1: players PRIs man.
Speaker 3: They don't want to play off man. They want to
Speaker 3: play priss man.
Speaker 4: Put your hands in his fat reach out and touch
Speaker 4: some guys like AT and T used to do and
Speaker 4: so Fred.
Speaker 1: What are some pros and are some cons of man
Speaker 1: coverage versus own if you're if you're a quarterback, I.
Speaker 3: Guess this is what I love playing man. I want
Speaker 3: to simplify the route tree, all right, Tayn to know this.
Speaker 3: When we walk down and press, the chick goes quickly
Speaker 3: to slant. I fade no matter what the play is called.
Speaker 3: Sometimes true, you have adjustments.
Speaker 2: That's his way. I'm looking at it.
Speaker 3: This tree simplified all right, where they still run comebacks,
Speaker 3: but they still run this.
Speaker 2: Yes, but the quickest.
Speaker 4: Check is yeah. He basically what he's saying is for
Speaker 4: a quarterback them the routes. I need to be available
Speaker 4: if I got to come back, and even if he's
Speaker 4: pressing me in that guy's because we have routes to
Speaker 4: adjust and still run.
Speaker 2: I mean, we have ways to get off the line
Speaker 2: of screaming.
Speaker 4: Like if I have a seven route and you come
Speaker 4: out and pressing me, I'm gonna get off. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: beat your press and get inside of it. See what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So, but what you're saying is as the
Speaker 4: quarterback needs that slint now he needs that, he don't.
Speaker 2: He don't want those. And that's what I'm talking about
Speaker 2: when I talked about the other day about.
Speaker 4: Like when you have when you don't have time, it
Speaker 4: don't matter who you got out there press, It don't
Speaker 4: matter when you don't have time, that guy got to
Speaker 4: go elsewhere with the ball.
Speaker 3: But that's why that press in it and that rush
Speaker 3: goes together. I got to put my hands on him.
Speaker 3: I'm not going up there to press him to run
Speaker 3: with him. I'm going up there to one Mississippi in
Speaker 3: the two Mississippi. I'm trying to get this play over with.
Speaker 4: You're trying to disrupt me on my route and also
Speaker 4: make the quarterback pick somebody.
Speaker 3: And while doing it, I'm also trying to not undress
Speaker 3: the coverage. That's what I do level about press man
Speaker 3: to opposite to offman, like you still I can press
Speaker 3: you in cover full like. And the one thing about
Speaker 3: zone is zone is actually route reading. Like when we
Speaker 3: in zone, we really reading number two. We never read
Speaker 3: number one. Number one being the whitest guy, guy.
Speaker 2: Reading the slot received while we're reading the tight.
Speaker 3: End, because that's going to tell you the high tell
Speaker 3: me if this slide receiver go now to that side,
Speaker 3: the other the dude coming inside.
Speaker 2: Everything is a combination.
Speaker 3: So once I read number two in zone, it's up
Speaker 3: to me to blurt out and communicate to my safety
Speaker 3: in my back of what's going on. So we got
Speaker 3: to talk more in zone and man and man is
Speaker 3: more of job pace tempo. This is what we want
Speaker 3: In man like and man, we're fina force you. We're
Speaker 3: fins trying to force you to do something that you're
Speaker 3: not comfortable with.
Speaker 1: And also I think maybe I'm wrong Ford, but also
Speaker 1: think of coverage is a time where like we're trying
Speaker 1: to get the rush home, we're trying to bring five,
Speaker 1: we're trying to get trying to get home, so you
Speaker 1: don't have to cover very long. I think about Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: did this for a long time when they were in
Speaker 1: man coverage. It was they were coming to heat you
Speaker 1: up a little bit. Yeah, and I think that they
Speaker 1: bring an element of that here and uh, then they
Speaker 1: can bring an element.
Speaker 2: Of that now. I remember we ran a couple of those.
Speaker 4: I think Fred was gone by that time, but Mike
Speaker 4: used to love calling that zero both.
Speaker 2: The rain rain, Yeah, damn London gre especially if you
Speaker 2: don't have the right right personality Russian. We played so
Speaker 2: much zero.
Speaker 1: But we would do it in this wild Zero means
Speaker 1: there's no safety, no help and me and you.
Speaker 3: And we ran it in the red zone, oh like,
Speaker 3: and we ran it over and over the work.
Speaker 2: It always worked. We was the number one defense in
Speaker 2: the league. Like it was, We're gonna heat you up.
Speaker 2: Quarterback gotta make a he got to make a decision now.
Speaker 3: And actually I always tell quarterback this, if they don't
Speaker 3: make the decision pre snap, we already won. Like they
Speaker 3: need to make that decision before the ball to snap.
Speaker 3: So when I seen them not checking.
Speaker 2: I dig in Like now, I'm like, I'm ready now
Speaker 2: because all I gotta do is touching.
Speaker 3: But long once I touch him, now we didn't already
Speaker 3: won this down, like, but once he checked the line,
Speaker 3: now I'm looking now, I'm like, I wonder what he
Speaker 3: checked to. Then I'm looking at town and see the
Speaker 3: tanner just moving side that number. Did he move outside
Speaker 3: the number? Like I'm trying to get any key I
Speaker 3: can get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if they do. They didn't run a ton.
Speaker 1: They did not run a town of zero last year.
Speaker 2: I don't know. They did a little bit in Dallas.
Speaker 2: I can say, I don't last year won the year
Speaker 2: to run zero?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, the coverage, the coverage wasn't Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: what you gotta really.
Speaker 2: You got to trust the other. You got to be good.
Speaker 4: I saw I saw Wes Welgan run thirteen routes on
Speaker 4: D Hall. I met d Hall in the field, Like,
Speaker 4: it's not your fault, brother, we can Brady's back there
Speaker 4: tapping the ball so much.
Speaker 2: The eyeline was sitting there there just playing with this
Speaker 2: windmilling and there.
Speaker 4: They didn't get nowhere, bro, And it's like it hurts
Speaker 4: the dB, especially when you have great defensive backs. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he cannot cover that long, you know, I mean it's impossible,
Speaker 4: and it's zero coverage. You got to get out to
Speaker 4: the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's intertme thinking about zero, thinking about man
Speaker 1: coverage and again they're not gonna only play man, They're
Speaker 1: not gonna only play it four down. They have some flexibility,
Speaker 1: have some variety. Just to be clear, this is I
Speaker 1: think what they want to be doing specifically on third down.
Speaker 3: How you want to dictate yourself as a defense, right,
Speaker 3: It's only one way for us to dictate the offense.
Speaker 2: And it says the tech. Yeah, like if we don't tach,
Speaker 2: we siting and taking punch.
Speaker 1: And so when I hear when I think about this,
Speaker 1: man probably a little bit more pressure, you know, like
Speaker 1: on third down specifically, man pressure is whatever fire zones,
Speaker 1: different things like that to kind of disrupt the offense.
Speaker 1: How important is a guy like Will.
Speaker 3: Harris to that' Hey, first of all, Will is this
Speaker 3: He's in mouth and I will not underestimate communication.
Speaker 2: If we ain't on the same page, we ain't got
Speaker 2: a chance. All right. We are a boy band.
Speaker 3: We ain't spinning at the same time the four tops,
Speaker 3: I ain't selling no tickets.
Speaker 2: We have to communicate because that allows us to steal.
Speaker 3: Like the one thing I used to love having shun
Speaker 3: on Taylor is my free safety receive.
Speaker 2: We just ain't trying to go over the middle. So
Speaker 2: guess what I stopped playing posts posts in Niggs.
Speaker 3: I don't play them no more. And if I won't,
Speaker 3: if i'm if I tell Shun check this out. If
Speaker 3: he know I'm tapping the back of my thigh, I'm
Speaker 3: telling shut I'm not moving. I'm not going to back pedal.
Speaker 3: I feel like they're gonna do some short and I'm
Speaker 3: finna go get it. So it's just inner link communication
Speaker 3: and that's what we Harris brings. He's a yapper that
Speaker 3: loved to take on information and it's fit it back
Speaker 3: out like I love people to take in with the
Speaker 3: office is showing me and regurgitating to me. I don't
Speaker 3: care if it's just a simple motion. Man, you're buying
Speaker 3: yourself or whatever. Communicate with me that allows me to
Speaker 3: play faster.
Speaker 2: Have you seen that I have.
Speaker 3: I've seen them moving around, I've seen them yapping, and
Speaker 3: I've seen them like I'm always.
Speaker 2: Looking for the head turns.
Speaker 3: Like when I see a coming back head turn, that
Speaker 3: mean he taking in information. Last year, I never really
Speaker 3: seen Benjamin Saint Jud's head turn a lot.
Speaker 2: He was locked in. He was just I'm there and
Speaker 2: I got a job to do.
Speaker 3: No, I need to I need to see you taking
Speaker 3: in constant because the play constantly changing, and I know
Speaker 3: good safeties And the one thing about it is Qun
Speaker 3: is a good communication.
Speaker 2: Wa Harrison is a good communicator.
Speaker 3: And when you got that in the safety position, they
Speaker 3: giving me an ah over the colon, I mean over
Speaker 3: the wire, SI that I can't get with that, damn.
Speaker 1: They also think he brings like a versatility, yeah, like
Speaker 1: a like some more flexibility if you want to play
Speaker 1: man coverage. Yeah, I feel comfortable about him doing that.
Speaker 1: I think he's he's good in coverage. He's a really
Speaker 1: good blitzer.
Speaker 2: Yeah right.
Speaker 1: I think he's good against the run. So if you
Speaker 1: want to play that like Nickel Nicol, he can do
Speaker 1: out with that guy kind of in the box, that
Speaker 1: overhang player, Like that's a great fit for that.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just think it's like when I look at the
Speaker 1: defensive line, I'm like, man, they really brought in a
Speaker 1: lot of pieces that fill in holes from last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And when I look at that addition specifically in the secondary,
Speaker 1: shoot like Jones, right, Jonathan Jones, like also just bringing
Speaker 1: in depth, bring in some flexibility, bring in guys that
Speaker 1: have played man coverage that can't play man coverage. I
Speaker 1: think it's extremely important and I would imagine it gives
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator a lot of confidence.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't give me a lot of confidence.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you I watched the defensive backs primarily when
Speaker 4: being a receiver, being a former guy that had to
Speaker 4: go up against these guys and nause them in. When
Speaker 4: I used to watch us, I used always, you know,
Speaker 4: we be watching the game, I go to shake my
Speaker 4: head like I already see something that's gonna happen. And
Speaker 4: it's not even about because you know, the player is
Speaker 4: never over, intil the players over. But when you see
Speaker 4: a corner that you're not confident in that or he's
Speaker 4: not confident, that's that's a weak link, and that makes
Speaker 4: everybody weak.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So you know, think about it in those games where
Speaker 4: we want a couple of them, but it got in
Speaker 4: the game where we have to lead and one, one
Speaker 4: or two guys might pass in the ference because they
Speaker 4: just can't cover. Now you bring in guys that know
Speaker 4: I'm the cover this dude, I ain't gotta play.
Speaker 2: I ain't got a pity pat you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: I ain't got a panic, they gonna be, they gonna
Speaker 4: they gonna think twice the thrown.
Speaker 2: Has ball to me because of who I am. You
Speaker 2: see what I'm saying, And.
Speaker 4: That's what a guy like Harris brings now to that
Speaker 4: secondary along with the added corners, because now you have
Speaker 4: guys but that that can actually cover, and then you
Speaker 4: have guys in safety that you can't even read.
Speaker 2: You don't know if he's at safety, don't want to.
Speaker 4: And so that's why I like about just seeing what
Speaker 4: we added to the secondary, just knowing that, man, I
Speaker 4: can rest assurance say went in doubt, it won't be
Speaker 4: no more pistsburghs what happened to us last year the
Speaker 4: last player of the game where I'm not reading down
Speaker 4: in distance, I don't know that I can.
Speaker 2: I can't give up a go route right now.
Speaker 4: It's a down that I just can't give you.
Speaker 2: This in front of you, But I ain't.
Speaker 4: Giving you that. You see what I'm saying. Now you
Speaker 4: have guys that understand that part of the game.
Speaker 1: And I was gonna say, Tanna, like, Uh, You've played
Speaker 1: against all different types of cornerbacks. You play against young guys,
Speaker 1: old guys. Do you find the Guys with more experience
Speaker 1: are better in those moments because they've just seen it.
Speaker 1: And so now again, like I go back to the
Speaker 1: ads right there, dudes with a lot of experience playing
Speaker 1: a bunch of different defenses, like and it just seems like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, when I played against dudes that knew
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, it made it hard for me
Speaker 1: to be successful because they don't waste.
Speaker 4: And not only that, I mean you got to think
Speaker 4: about it. I was here, I was tell you how
Speaker 4: long I've been playing. We had a guy inly was
Speaker 4: so young and so so you know, he was just raw.
Speaker 4: You know, it was like he wasn't here he athletically
Speaker 4: he can go out there and cover the best of them.
Speaker 4: Then you put a guy like d Haul in his
Speaker 4: ear and tell him, no, bro, look at this. Do
Speaker 4: this bringings to come pick my brand?
Speaker 2: Twner?
Speaker 4: So what you saw on that man, oh man, man's man,
Speaker 4: and man, I'm gonna kill you because you're not thinking
Speaker 4: about the down and distance and pretend to.
Speaker 2: Think about where your healths at. I got you because
Speaker 2: I know you're thinking about it. I ain't. I'm just
Speaker 2: trying to run with this guy. I'm trying to make sure.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you all kind of moves and the
Speaker 4: thing I'm I'm gonna give you a different route and
Speaker 4: beat you. And then you get him a year or
Speaker 4: two or not even a year. In the middle of
Speaker 4: that season, I watched his game tremendously changed because he's
Speaker 4: checking somebody in practice every day with me that's playing
Speaker 4: and that's talking to him. And then you got a
Speaker 4: d haul on his team that's telling them, Man, before
Speaker 4: you know it, he wasn't fooled by nothing. So just
Speaker 4: to get back to your question, when you have veterans,
Speaker 4: when you have guys that just know, man, look here,
Speaker 4: I ain't got to go out here and work too hard,
Speaker 4: working smart? Yeah, why should I should out here and
Speaker 4: go I'm gonna take what I see the deep, what
Speaker 4: the offense is trying to do. I'm gonna take that
Speaker 4: away and then now use my help. And even when
Speaker 4: you and man, you can use help. Yeah, you still
Speaker 4: got a safety, still got a safe in the minutefield,
Speaker 4: or you have the sideline, and a lot of these
Speaker 4: dbs on they don't use the sideline. We talked about
Speaker 4: that all that ship like that's a that's show, that's
Speaker 4: your friend back.
Speaker 2: Now I am ride him on that sideline. It's tough
Speaker 2: for us to you know, be able to get away
Speaker 2: from that.
Speaker 1: And thinking back to some of those conversations we had
Speaker 1: in the season last year about guys not playing seemingly
Speaker 1: not playing that we don't know the defense you don't get.
Speaker 2: But not playing to the strength of the coverage.
Speaker 3: We knew the new the coverage, we didn't know what
Speaker 3: they was doing though.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think there's there's a lot of really cool
Speaker 1: additions in the secondary. I think about the leadership those
Speaker 1: guys provide, like ten of That example is perfect because
Speaker 1: it's like the linebackers had some the defensive lines had
Speaker 1: guys like that, but the secondary hasn't really had that
Speaker 1: guy to be like, hey man, I'm a veteran, I've
Speaker 1: been here before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know Fred if.
Speaker 1: Udiver had anybody in your career, I guess when you
Speaker 1: first got in.
Speaker 2: Say, I had guys from the time I got in sometime. Damn, guys,
Speaker 2: let's not talk about the first group.
Speaker 3: You think about them, Me the Hall, Collins, Rogers, shun Springs,
Speaker 3: Me and Toine Winfield.
Speaker 2: I have always been.
Speaker 4: Paired another good cone I was gonna say, you probably
Speaker 4: don't even talk about the other guys because of the
Speaker 4: other hall of famous.
Speaker 1: Like the border hall of famers you just mentioned.
Speaker 4: So you came back here with the Blue. I know,
Speaker 4: we get Blue for a lot of black Man. That boy,
Speaker 4: that boy was smart. No, No, Blue the game like
Speaker 4: Blue in his size, yes, like bro Like I look
Speaker 4: at him like all right, I'm finna just go go
Speaker 4: gadget legs and I'm gonna beat him because I know
Speaker 4: I'm I'm faster. You see what I'm saying. But if
Speaker 4: I let him just go out there and think about
Speaker 4: what I got going on?
Speaker 2: No, he did, No, he did.
Speaker 3: Didn't realized Blue led us one year in sex and
Speaker 3: me and him tied in interceptions. So he was lean
Speaker 3: the team in sex and tied in with interceptions, like
Speaker 3: how many corners do that? And he played the nickel,
Speaker 3: he played inside.
Speaker 4: He can arguably be being a damn strung safety back
Speaker 4: like he was that big playing con ain't can run
Speaker 4: with you.
Speaker 1: So fred Man, you're so lucky you get to play
Speaker 1: with some really good football players. So that's obviously where
Speaker 1: we think the defense is act currently, And this is
Speaker 1: maybe a better pressure question for FREA because I really
Speaker 1: have no idea, like what kind of changes would you
Speaker 1: have made in an off season from one off season
Speaker 1: to the next, like in terms of evolving the defense,
Speaker 1: or is it like this is who we are and
Speaker 1: we're gonna add a little sprinkling of layer cake.
Speaker 3: I'm just fna layer the cake what we did. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do the same thing we need. We're gonna
Speaker 3: get better at what we do and I'm gonna answer
Speaker 3: more because now I got some guys that I trust.
Speaker 1: So what's an example of something you could add, Like
Speaker 1: are you adding blitzes? Are you adding coverages or rules?
Speaker 3: And situational football where we weren't where we where we
Speaker 3: try to just survive on third down.
Speaker 2: Now we're gonna thrive on the third.
Speaker 3: Down, Like that's the down, that's the down of all downs.
Speaker 3: Third down is the down all down. We're gonna start
Speaker 3: to dictate third down instead of being dictated to like
Speaker 3: last year we got dictated on third down and we
Speaker 3: just we'll take a punch out, we will dodge the punch.
Speaker 2: Now we're gonna throw punches. We're gonna throw punches because
Speaker 2: now I.
Speaker 3: Am freed up to play man and man on third down,
Speaker 3: I am freed up to go zone blitz.
Speaker 2: I am freed up. I can go zero if I
Speaker 2: feel like it. And I'm sure Joe what Junior would
Speaker 2: is gonna be better at calling game.
Speaker 1: Like, Hey, like I showed Man this last time, Let's
Speaker 1: show man disguise, but it's really tampatu or man.
Speaker 3: Let me put Frankie Louvu on the right. Let them
Speaker 3: think I'm coming from the right. I'm coming from the lift.
Speaker 3: So that I'm gonna say he's gonna play some Jedi
Speaker 3: mind tricks with some offenses.
Speaker 2: Now he's more experienced, he's.
Speaker 4: More experience, and then got guys that he can back in, like.
Speaker 3: The one thing you cannot do is a defensive coordinator
Speaker 3: is called the defense you want with doctor back end,
Speaker 3: like knowing my back even gonna take care of that.
Speaker 4: You got to think a lot of times we didn't
Speaker 4: show it a lot because our defense was just ferocious together.
Speaker 4: Them boys was they They was hungry every time, every down.
Speaker 4: But at times you can see, especially being a being
Speaker 4: a formal receiving is league, you can see that. Ah
Speaker 4: he we we we don't want to We don't want
Speaker 4: him to get beat over.
Speaker 2: There. We don't want to leave that.
Speaker 4: We run this cover. Were running this coverage because we're
Speaker 4: trying to protect someone field. So when you can see
Speaker 4: that us, when we can sit in the box and
Speaker 4: see that, just think about what that oc doing in
Speaker 4: the box.
Speaker 2: He seeing too.
Speaker 4: He don't want him to get beat. So I'm gonna
Speaker 4: do something. George still find a way to get this
Speaker 4: ball off. But now they're gonna protect him and lead
Speaker 4: this guy over here. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, And so we've talked a lot about,
Speaker 1: you know, scheme evolution, player evolution because of free agency,
Speaker 1: and I think this is maybe a fun one of
Speaker 1: the fred You've bringing this up every time we talk
Speaker 1: about it. It's like, who are the guys that got
Speaker 1: to take the next step in the defense for them
Speaker 1: to go from like I think they're gonna be pretty good.
Speaker 1: I think they'll be goo and I got pretty pretty good.
Speaker 1: Could be anywhere from in my opinion, like nineteen to.
Speaker 2: Eight, top half, top half of the league, top half
Speaker 2: of the league.
Speaker 1: But like, is there a guy You're like, hey, these
Speaker 1: guys got to take the next step, and then then
Speaker 1: they're in the top half an hour, top ten, top fifteen.
Speaker 2: I won't Vintage two thy twenty two pay too. We
Speaker 2: all want to. I won't, and I feel that it's
Speaker 2: finna half. Yeah, like two thousand and two vintage. I'm
Speaker 2: a home grd dog with Raby. I think.
Speaker 4: I think just what you're saying is gonna be. You're
Speaker 4: gonna see him and him and Newton competing because I
Speaker 4: think Newton just a full full off season, not have
Speaker 4: to worry about rehabing that foot, and just to see
Speaker 4: the little snippy we saw last year from him being
Speaker 4: a being a rookie, Like that's a rookie that we
Speaker 4: didn't talk don't We haven't talked a lot about this
Speaker 4: off season that that showed big highs, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 2: Like last year was amazing.
Speaker 3: He was on My Get last show and he had
Speaker 3: this smile on his face. He was like, man, I'm
Speaker 3: so happy.
Speaker 2: I feel good. I'm ready right now, like y'all, Finn
Speaker 2: to see the real meat.
Speaker 4: And like you think about it, his jump, his first
Speaker 4: step is almost sappish. Yeah, he might not be as
Speaker 4: big as scept he's like height wi Mike, Mike got
Speaker 4: him in the height area. Yeah, but like you know,
Speaker 4: size body type the whole man. I mean, he had
Speaker 4: that explosiveness and by hisself.
Speaker 1: So it's funny we started talking the show off and
Speaker 1: Frederick the interior guy. Even though we were trying to
Speaker 1: protect the edges of the defense, the interier guy is
Speaker 1: really important. And I'm and we did this on the
Speaker 1: last show, but I feel.
Speaker 2: Very strongly about him.
Speaker 1: I am so bullish on Doran Jerson and man, I
Speaker 1: am so bullish on those guys right now.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, if they.
Speaker 1: Like all four of those guys, why and why is
Speaker 1: this gonna play both? And Holmes is probably gonna if
Speaker 1: he makes the team to play both. So I looked
Speaker 1: at him like, man, this could be that that interior yes,
Speaker 1: can cause problems.
Speaker 2: Problems, It could like rock the good of an offense.
Speaker 3: If you want to ride up an offense, you got
Speaker 3: to do it right up the middle of the field.
Speaker 2: I have to kick that.
Speaker 3: Center's face in every play. If you want to dominate
Speaker 3: the offense, put that center in the lap of that quarterback.
Speaker 3: I don't care if you're a runner or not. I
Speaker 3: dominate your defense. And I told you we went from
Speaker 3: a third down defense last year to a first down
Speaker 3: defense this year. We are built for first down, We're
Speaker 3: built on third We're built to conquer first down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I mean it's going to be really exciting.
Speaker 1: And so again, I think those guys are ready for
Speaker 1: a step forward. I think Kawan Martin ready for a
Speaker 1: step forward.
Speaker 2: I think Kwan Quinn. I think Kwan want to go to.
Speaker 3: A all start Pro Bowl type level.
Speaker 2: I think he's ready to take that step. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think there's a bunch of guys and obviously
Speaker 1: the backup kind of guys. Can McGee find a role
Speaker 1: and you know, do some of those.
Speaker 3: You think Jee McGee is waiting his time, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, He behind.
Speaker 2: The bits of all day, he getting so much nonedge.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say he might not even got the axes
Speaker 4: guy none, just watching them just I'm pretty sure he's
Speaker 4: been learning from.
Speaker 2: He's just there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I think about specifically that defensive line, how that
Speaker 1: helps Bobby. You know, Bobby at the times last year
Speaker 1: was getting kind of again caught caught up in the wash,
Speaker 1: you know, having a.
Speaker 2: Hard time getting the edge.
Speaker 1: We're not we're not setting the edges, you know, we're
Speaker 1: not too We're supposed to do now you got those
Speaker 1: guys in the interior.
Speaker 3: That's because you had the age Russian rushing up field
Speaker 3: on a run though it's sure right now, like no,
Speaker 3: what are you doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, So I think that's something I'm really excited about.
Speaker 1: So I personally think again, I think schematically, they like
Speaker 1: Fred said, they're gonna layer it.
Speaker 2: It'll be a little bit.
Speaker 1: A little bit of tweak here, a little bit tweet care,
Speaker 1: a little bit more experienced calling the defense, a little
Speaker 1: bit more experienced with the guys in the back end,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be a lot of the same. And
Speaker 1: I just think they've done a great job of getting
Speaker 1: the right types of people in the right spots to
Speaker 1: really make big impacts on this defense. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: that's something I'm really excited about. And unfortunately we got
Speaker 1: to wait till August to see it kind of all
Speaker 1: come together.
Speaker 2: August is already here. Last week while was at Mintica,
Speaker 2: around the corner just made the grass. When was that grass?
Speaker 2: Does something that that that Virginia creeper out there?
Speaker 3: Listen, I don't know what it is, but when I
Speaker 3: walked out there, like damn, I want to play football.
Speaker 1: I can't, But did I tell you this. So when
Speaker 1: I came out and did the show with you, they
Speaker 1: Camp show. The night before, I had a nightmare that
Speaker 1: I was in Atlanta and dan Quinn was cutting me.
Speaker 2: You did did you wake up into college?
Speaker 1: I woke up in a cold sweat And it was
Speaker 1: one of those ones where I was like, do I
Speaker 1: have to go.
Speaker 2: Into the facility right?
Speaker 1: Like I got to get my play I don't even
Speaker 1: know where my playbook is. Like I was told my
Speaker 1: wife was like are you okay. I'm like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I think I just got it was like and she
Speaker 1: was like she's like, yeah this babe. She's like ever
Speaker 1: play football for about six years. And I was like,
Speaker 1: it was crazy, bro, But it was it is the season?
Speaker 2: Is the boy year. The alarm in your head was it.
Speaker 1: Was like you couldn't. It was like it's time.
Speaker 3: No, Because when I went out there, I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: like I got a little adrenaline like staring a pumping.
Speaker 2: I was like, dude, come down, You're not going to
Speaker 2: do anything.
Speaker 4: Like I told BC the same thing that when I
Speaker 4: was out there, I feel like I feel like the
Speaker 4: hairs ending up and I'm like.
Speaker 2: Damn, what is it? About being here today. We out
Speaker 2: here all the time, but something about that day just
Speaker 2: gave me that little feeling, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's third day's away. We can't we can't wait.
Speaker 1: We just wired like that for life.
Speaker 2: We lost in. Can't be having weird nightmares like that.
Speaker 2: I hope he not wired like that. I would love
Speaker 2: to be in the.
Speaker 1: Co So we can't wait, can't wait to watch this defense,
Speaker 1: and then we'll probably do another update on the Defense
Speaker 1: when Trading Camp starts, and we'll do live shows on
Speaker 1: the Command Center Show, which we can't wait to do so.
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, right now, right, I forgot right
Speaker 1: there this one right there we go and she hit
Speaker 1: that thing and buy those tickets there really helping, really
Speaker 1: appreciate it.
Speaker 2: But that's who doing for today show. Thanks, I used
Speaker 2: That's it.