WEBVTT - The Next Evolution of Washington Defense | Command Center Podcast | Washington Commanders | NFL 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.640 On today's episode the Command Center Podcast, we're talking the 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:05.600 art of defense and Joe Whippins is the painter. 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:05.920 Right. 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:08.160 We talked about the next evolution of this defense set 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:10.160 in twenty twenty five, how do we get to be 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:12.360 a top tag group and how these new additions are 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:14.160 going to help us get there? And I am dreaming 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:21.280 of Dan Quinn. It all starts right now, Nightmares. Welcome 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.439 to thecmand Center Podcast. I'm Logan Paulson here with Fred 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:26.200 Smoot and Santana Mos. 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:28.520 Yeh, guys, how's father said? It was great? Man? 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:31.760 You know what, I did my studies on Father's Day 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:36.000 and it turns out, Logan, that they spin the public 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:41.720 spins ten billion more dollars on Mother's Day compared to 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.600 Father's Day. How do you feel as a father knowing 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.280 that we are short changed in debt? 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:49.199 And rich? Oh? 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.199 I think you know, when it comes to mothers and fathers, 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:54.720 mothers carry a lot of that burden, you know what 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:56.920 I'm saying. Early on, like, you know, they carry the 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:59.480 baby and a lot of early stuff, changing diapers early. 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:01.279 Not that I and changing diapers or anything like that, 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:04.360 but uh, they're probably about ten times more important. 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:06.560 It don't make us ten times less important. 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.400 I just think about it though, as a father, as 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:13.000 a dude, period, do you care someone buy you something? 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:15.959 Mothers do? Women do? 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:16.280 They? 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.479 They love gifts, they loved to be you know, thought 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:25.000 about so regardless of what it is, I just feel like, 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:27.160 of course they're going to spend more money on mothers 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.360 because women love nice things. 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.840 They you know, we're buying women nice things daily. You know. 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:35.960 A father a guy, I don't want anything. You know, 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:36.880 I can get it myself. 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:39.920 So what would you walk for? Father? No? No, he can 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:41.119 think about it. Think about it. 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:45.120 We take the mother on Mother's Day to a steak house, 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:49.000 all right, Max strod. 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:52.680 Prime, but the fine oodner. They drop us off of 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:56.920 uncooked State. They just did you cook? Did you cook? 0:01:57.640 --> 0:01:58.200 I did not cook. 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:01.480 My kids took me to that great French restaurant, waff 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:05.880 ale House. All right this my kids, no, daddy, simple 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:08.000 fail waff A House. 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:09.000 I love waffle House. 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:10.760 That's one of my things. So my kids, no long 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.320 we take dat to the waffle house. He pretty much good. 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.520 You pay for They took me to waffle House. Paid 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:18.960 for it with my money. But it was all good. 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:20.600 And we got to compete. My kids know, I like 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.240 to compete, right or something? Coin Hole? We played coin hole, 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.880 which I want? We bowl? We stanos one and we 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.440 enjoyed our said can't help himself. Man, you always got 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:32.840 to you always got to be ahead of the curve. 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:36.520 I love it, man, I love it. Oh, let's check 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.160 it in about Father's Day. Always going to get you 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:39.920 guys opinion, what you guys are up to. Now, let's 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.880 get our kind of admin stuff done. 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Dude. 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:33.480 The fact that he played quarterback at any point in 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:36.800 his life, he is so anti quarterback, you know what 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:37.560 I'm saying. 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:39.320 Like this, laugh at him calling the hood. 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.960 If you hang out with d Missed for like five seconds, 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.320 like you're like, no way is he a quarterback. 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.400 He's just so tough. He's so great. Imagine him getting 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:47.760 down on the. 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.320 Knee in the huddle and looking at you log and 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.280 be like you past, dude, he would fight you. 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:55.640 Just thinking about what would you do when you came 0:03:55.680 --> 0:04:00.240 back to the huddle. You drop a b bitch Bay No. 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:04.560 Yeah, But the body Back Game. 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So now we can get into. 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:37.480 The football art. 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:43.080 It's talking football, but specifically defense, the art of the defense. Right, 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:44.960 and so I think you know, we're kind of in 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:46.920 this time of year, we're kind of looking forward towards 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.440 training camp. It's a very exciting time, kind of look 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:51.760 back at last year, things that they did well, things 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.480 that they could do better. So let's just start from 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:58.320 the jump and basically kind of explain to the listeners 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.040 and the viewers if you're watching on YouTube Joe A 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:05.680 Junior and his scheme, what type of scheme, what type 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:09.359 of defense does he play? Let's just start at the simplest. 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.120 Why not I guess I could start here right, So 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.800 to me, when I watch him on film, they are 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.960 a base four down team. So that means there's four 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.840 defensive linemen. Usually they play an overfront, so they're gonna 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:24.040 have one defensive tackle shade to the strong side. He's 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.000 gonna line up on the outside shoulder the guard. They're 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.000 gonna have somebody over the outside shoulder of the tackle. 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:29.919 They're gonna have a backside shade, so someone on the 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.240 shoulder of the center. So those four guys are there, 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.279 and then they play anywhere from four to three linebackers. 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.320 And if they're a nickel, they play two. And they 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.560 kind of want to be a single high safety team. 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.159 If they are in too high safety, usually they're rotating 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:46.599 to a single high look. But they have they can 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:50.520 play two, they can play three, they can play quarters. 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:52.960 Do you think that's a fair characterization of what the 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:53.640 multiple fronts? 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:55.640 Yeah, yeah, I call it multiple fronts. But I also 0:06:55.680 --> 0:07:00.840 call it the outside to inside defense. They protect the outside, 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:04.120 meaning they protect the corners. It's a caller friendly defense 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.640 that puts more pressure on the interior to make plays 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:13.040 than production. So like what like all right, the responsible 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.960 like different defenses protect different people. 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:18.560 And in this defense, when I. 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.920 Say corner friendly, they want the corners to make plays. 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.040 So if you want the corners to be aggressive and 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.440 make plays. That's why they always keep one safety in 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.320 the middle of the field to make sure they never 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:32.720 have to cover post. They eliminate route trees. And when 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.000 you eliminate route trees, that mean I need to have 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.840 some big boys up front that can handle their self 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.440 like I can independently let them go do their job 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:42.400 with that have the second guess, and that's why the 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.040 key position in this one. And I know everybody gonna 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.040 say the key position every defense is the middle linebacker. 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.040 But the key to this defense is the middle linebacker. 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.480 Do you think they did that because Bobby's here? Do 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:52.760 you think that that was the point emphasis? 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:54.840 Because it makes sense to me, like yeah, Like why 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.280 not have a guy with the most experienced kind of yes, 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.960 lead to lead to dout Like that's why it's a 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:05.080 middle linebacker lid defense and doing it you fundel everything 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:06.360 back inside to these guys. 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:09.160 So being that you're a defensive guy, and I love 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.480 asking these kind of questions that you in London when 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.720 you look at the difference from how the Cowboys played 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:17.000 it two years ago with the same staff, what's different 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:18.240 because we have that middle linebacker? 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.760 You No, No, we have the middle linebacker they didn't have, 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:24.960 and we're bigger interior than they were. That's why they 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.520 If you look at it, when they was there, everybody 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:28.440 used to break runs. 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:32.920 It was like the SA gap. Maybe it's going as 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:33.680 for those who know the. 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:35.520 Reason why, I asked that question too, because I feel 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:37.920 like we both had the same handicap. You know, we 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.480 both had a problem with stopping the run. You see 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:42.640 what I'm saying, So what what makes us Because it's 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.680 a light of box. It's only a light of box. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.080 Let's let's just shift it into neutral for a second. 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.880 So when we say box esically people that you've designated 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.120 to stop the run stop the run, right, So like you, 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.280 people throw that term around all the time. So usually 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.560 you've got you got six blockers, you've got seven defenders. 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:02.520 Yes, now modern defense, we have six defense. Six on 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:03.559 six is even. 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.000 It's even, right, So you got to play like a 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:06.559 gap in a half because everyone's got to beat a 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.520 blocker and everybody has to win because you want more 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.360 coverage focused, right, And so it's interesting to you ask 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:14.400 about the difference between Dallas and now, Like one of 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:16.120 the things about Dallas is I felt like they really 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.600 wanted to be in man coverage a lot. They wanted 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:20.240 to be in man coverage, and then their change up 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.880 was sometimes some type of Tampa Tuoe right basically right, 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:24.680 or some type of. 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:25.880 Fires on ye undred percent. 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.080 And so when I look at this now, I thought 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.160 last year Joe A Junior played way more zone than 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.439 he used right because again, like. 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:36.320 Because the person I think it was a personality. 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.200 I think, so, yeah, yeah, so I think that's what 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.000 i'd say. And again, like we talked about the fronts, 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.320 four down front they can get in three down fronts. 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.800 They have some flexibility right to disguise, but I think 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:45.839 at their core. 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.960 Yeah, think about this defense. I want you to think about. 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:50.920 I want you to go back to Green Bay. Like 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:52.960 everybody likes to go back to the Cowboys, I didn't 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:54.000 like to go back to Seattle. 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.439 I say, go back to green with Joe jun reserve. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.920 Yes, when you go back to Green Bay, this defense 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:05.920 is very much built like Peyton Manning's coach defense. Built 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:10.160 to play with the lead. Oh, it's built to play 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.319 with the lead. That means we're gonna rush the passer. 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.560 We're built more for the past than we are to run. 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:18.480 That's how I want like, that's why I want you 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.719 to really think about this defense. Now, what we did 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.360 in the off season were reinforced. No, we're gonna we're 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.800 gonna really get bigger for the run and we're gonna 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.040 force you to pass. So now we're gonna take a 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.959 whole different direction to this thing and we're gonna force 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.680 you to pass. So I anticipate us playing a little 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.480 bit more zone than we did last year and being 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:40.920 more forced for on first down. First down, we're gonna 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:44.800 play more man. After that, we're gonna play more zone. Interesting, Yeah, 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:45.680 I kind of would say. 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.720 So, you know, talking about strengths and weaknesses of the team, 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:50.120 I got to tell you brought it up like them 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.480 stopping the run wasn't a great thing last year, and 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:53.959 I think we can all attest to that they were 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:56.720 if they were last but they really struggled in terms 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:58.319 in that category. And so one of the things you 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:00.440 look at is you say, I feel like the defense 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:01.880 and in front alluded to it a little bit. Is 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.520 you want to make sure that you are gap sound 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:06.160 forcing the ball back to the mic. 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:07.840 Yes, essentially is what you're trying to do. 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:09.960 And so when you get guys on the edge, like 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.120 Dante Fowler, who again I thought had a great year 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:13.640 turned the sack production almost. 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.200 Saxon production, but run support different. 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:17.760 And so when you look at some of the explosive 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:20.240 runs they were, I think they were the third highest 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.800 in terms of explosive runs given up. They really had 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.360 a hard time with that. So what they've done is 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.160 they've gone out and got Dietrich Wise and resigned cluland Fell. 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.959 They've got King Loves, They've got kin Law guys. That 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.240 Goldman is a great I'm really glad you brought that up. 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:34.959 Ten guys that are a little bit more stout on 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:38.320 the interior but also bigger on the edges to again 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:40.640 like because they play so they play a six technique, 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.319 and so like, think about it, if I'm a tight end, 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.840 a six technique lines up directly over directly, that's a 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.120 really hard technique to play. So if you're playing a nine, 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.200 like it's easy to box the run, I just attack 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.280 the tight ends outside shoulder tournament tournament turn their button 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:56.720 the hole and then the back has to cut it back. 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.320 When there are six, they kind of have to two gap, 0:11:58.720 --> 0:11:59.760 which is really challenging. 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.480 So like when getting a bigger body in that spot 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:04.920 is going to be really. 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:06.599 Helpful because it allows you to get penetration. 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:09.080 If I get penetration, like it's a different between me 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.800 literally getting the block right here and just Steyman in 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:13.160 the block and me going. 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.720 Two steps ahead of you and trying to penetrate. Like 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.240 now we got guys they can they here to play 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.200 the run. So that's some of it. And I don't 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:21.560 like to be talking about nobody else. 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:23.840 But when you look at a team like the Giants, 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.720 they had that big dude in the middle Dix launched, 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.680 did they are we doing some of the things similar 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:31.240 to how he clogged things up? 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.160 So that's a that's a great question because that's more 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.160 of a three down front. So what I'd say is 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.800 like you got like a noseguard and two four eyes 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:39.960 and then two guys on the perimeter nine technique, so 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:42.200 they like to box. The edge of this is like 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:49.920 who else runs this? Like Minnesota ran this, Detroit runs Yeah, 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:51.720 so a lot of people run a version of this 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.200 with like crash nines, So those wide nines box to run. 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:57.360 We are a little bit tighter with our allunance here. 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.079 And again, like there's pros and cons to that and 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.600 it makes it easier to bounce to me, to force 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:03.320 the ball to bounce, which is what you want to 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.160 give the linebacker time to take a good angle and 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:05.760 make that way. 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:06.160 Yeah. 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:08.360 Right, So there are pros and cons, But I think 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:08.800 getting you. 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:10.600 For a bounce, though, do you want to? I want 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:15.840 him to bounce corners to be to tackle to tackle. 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.760 Like, if I can get him to bounce, he going laterally, 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.560 not vertically, Like I don't want him outside. Now you 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.959 get now defense, I can Now we can chase him, 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.560 got you, because if not, we're gonna be chasing him vertically. 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.040 There's a whole different pattern that we want. 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:31.840 But I just you know the reason why I asked that, 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.800 because when he explained it about having a guy wider 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.200 and making him turn that turn his butt into the whole. 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.600 To me, as a guy who has to block, yeah, 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:41.079 you never want to turn your butt into the rug, 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:42.520 you know what I mean. You never want to slow 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:44.439 things down for that run. You want to you want 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.280 to get that running a two way go. You want 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.120 to take that way where he said if he cut 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.599 off him, go inside or I can go outside. 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:53.600 To me, I think that's hard, that's harder for you 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:55.720 to defend. You see what I'm saying. So that's why 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:56.520 I asked that question. 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.160 Just here said it's a great point. I think it's 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.600 harder for is to play a true six and they 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.000 don't play it's like kind of a it's a tight nine, yeah, 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.160 but it's like a yeah as a but as a 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:07.920 tight end. I always preferred that because they're right on 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.000 top of you and get on them quick. But and 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:11.880 it's it's harder for the defensive player. But if you 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.120 get somebody who can play it well, it covers you 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.000 up versus a lot of different run looks and you 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.240 can play the six man box that we were talking about, 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:19.880 like if they're a nickel, right, it gives you some 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.440 more flexibility, which is why I think you play the 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:23.920 front like this is the same type of front that 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.240 Seattle played, Yeah, but the way that Seattle played it 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:27.880 to get around it. This is back in the day 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:29.760 when people couldn't throw the way they throw. 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:34.120 But they had Michael Bennett who was excellent in the run. 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.000 Like everybody talking about his past rushing. The reason they 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.760 was good with the Legion of Doom because Michael Bennet 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:44.680 destroyed run plays. I'm talking first second down, and anytime 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.960 you get behind the downs with this defense, you're talking 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.880 second in thirteen or second left, that's when this defense 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:52.400 fires out. 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:54.960 Yeah yeah, And so like, yeah, I mean that's a 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.200 great point. With Seattle, you have had some really good football players, 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:58.720 but also they did a really good job of like 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:00.960 what Tanna is talking about making or they had overhangs. 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.680 You can't do that as much anymore because they pass 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:06.880 goes to the passing game is so crazy. But I 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.800 do think four down kind of these tight nine six 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.880 technique type of alignments and uh and I do think 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:14.880 so to me, getting people that are just going to 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:16.960 be in the right spots are going to be really 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.280 helpful in terms of clearing that stuff up. You know, 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.520 we're looking at again that's that's the run game, and 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:22.960 I think that's going to be a big change in 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.040 terms of making it more positive. Is just getting guys 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.200 getting personnel. Like we talked about the edges there a 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:28.880 little bit. I also think getting a guy like Goldman 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.520 in there, Yeah, that plays that backside shape, they will 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.680 not move. That's dealing with the guards center double teams 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.160 quite a bit. That's going to keep guys off of Bobby. Yeah, 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.200 you always hear Fletch talk about how like Ray Lewis 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:44.040 had Tony Sarah and Adam Adams, he's kind of that. 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:45.760 Body to him that one year he didn't have him 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:49.600 boy get what he win and he would getting pushed 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.560 and brought somebody back. 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:52.240 Yeah. 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.240 No, absolutely, And so I think that's in terms of 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:58.240 biggest weaknesses from last year, stopping the run is one 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.760 that really sticks out to me, And I like it 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.440 wasn't so much a scheme thing, it was more of 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.520 a personnel thing because even late in the year, for example, 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.400 like you'd see like an RPO for example, like from 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.160 Philly in RPO is like run pass option, and you 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:14.280 would see the guys kind of freelancing it. 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.640 And when you're playing an RPO, you got to do 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.920 your job right. And so I think getting more confidence 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:21.920 in those guys on the edges doing their thing, that's 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.160 going to help the linebackers, that's going to help the secondary, 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.160 that's going to help the nickel players do what they're 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:26.680 supposed to do. 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:28.840 So I think that's so you are you really to 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.200 agree with me about interior age? 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:35.560 Well, so in this defense, I actually think edges are important. Point. 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:40.160 Are you willing to agree that interior rushers are. 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:43.840 I mean, if you've got a beast one, yeah for sure. 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:45.600 I mean I don't think I've ever been really pushing 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:46.760