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Speaker 2: What is going on everybody? How are we doing?

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Speaker 1: Happy Fugazi Friday? And today I thought we would do

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Speaker 1: a little preview for the preseason, just what to look for,

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Speaker 1: what not to look for, what matters, what doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Obviously some teams operate different in these preseason games than others.

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Speaker 1: We'll discuss that Andy Reid's philosophy is a lot different

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Speaker 1: than Sean mcvas and we've seen over the years there's

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Speaker 1: no right or wrong way to do this. And we

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Speaker 1: also had a major, major injury to a highly paid

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Speaker 1: I will be in Chicago this weekend with Coward, so

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. Never been to Chicago even

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Speaker 1: It's always fun in terms of the for the team,

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Speaker 1: And I think when you look at these preseason games,

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Speaker 1: you better catch it and score. So this is where

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure. I'll never forget Phil Savage,

439
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 1: who was a GM in the league, ran the Senior

440
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 1: Bowl and worked for the Joe Douglas forever when he

441
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 1: was at the Jets. Joe Douglas guy's from the Ravens.

442
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 1: Phil was originally that's where he met Joe And I

443
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Speaker 1: remember talking to him one time and he said, this

444
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 1: is when he was the GM of the Browns back

445
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Speaker 1: in like two thousand and six and seven, two thousand

446
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Speaker 1: and eight.

447
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Speaker 2: He said he.

448
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Speaker 1: Walked around before the game of the preseason, he saw

449
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Speaker 1: some of these guys like so nervous they couldn't even

450
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Speaker 1: walk straight and like wanting to throw up. And he's

451
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 1: thinking to himself, He's like, guys, we just draft you

452
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Speaker 1: in the third round. You are coming from USC or

453
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Speaker 1: Texas or Aleman. You've been playing in front of eighty

454
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Speaker 1: thousand people for the last three years, dominating all American.

455
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Speaker 1: You just got drafted, right, and you're nervous about this environment.

456
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Speaker 1: The stadium is gonna be half full. It's not, but

457
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Speaker 1: you just it's part of it's the uniform, part of

458
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Speaker 1: it is the NFL. It's it's actually very understandable because

459
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Speaker 1: once you know you red shirt or whatever and you

460
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Speaker 1: become a starter, even if it's at Alabama or Ohio

461
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Speaker 1: State or Texas, dan some confidence. It just becomes part

462
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Speaker 1: of the deal. And then you're like, I'm good. But

463
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Speaker 1: then you come to the NFL. You've never done this before,

464
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Speaker 1: you just practiced for a couple of weeks. You're like,

465
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Speaker 1: I totally understand where the players are coming from. The irony, though,

466
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Speaker 1: is they have played in games. Maybe not the personal

467
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Speaker 1: pressure on them, but the overall pressure of playing like

468
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Speaker 1: Alabama against Tennessee is way more intense and way more

469
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Speaker 1: on the line, you know, just in terms of your

470
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Speaker 1: team and what's going on. Then the Redskins playing the Patriots, right,

471
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Speaker 1: But that's where the preseason has a little bit of minor.

472
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Speaker 2: League Baseball to it. It's almost like.

473
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Speaker 1: You're not playing for yourself totally, because it's still like

474
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Speaker 1: you need the other ten guys, but you're kind of

475
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Speaker 1: focused on yourself. We're in a regular season game. It's

476
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Speaker 1: all about the team. It's all about doing your job

477
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Speaker 1: to help out the other guys. In the preseason, it's

478
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Speaker 1: like kind about that, but it's like you you better

479
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Speaker 1: do the right thing because three of the other ten

480
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Speaker 1: eleven guys might suck, they might have no clue what's

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Speaker 1: going on.

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Speaker 2: You can't really worry about them. We're in a regular

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Speaker 2: season game.

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Speaker 1: If your teammates are struggling, you're doing everything you can

485
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Speaker 1: to help them out. Get everyone on the same page.

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Speaker 2: This is This has.

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Speaker 1: Got a little triple A baseball to it in terms

488
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Speaker 1: of the mentality and mindset, which is understandable because your

489
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Speaker 1: only goal if you're a fifth round pick is like,

490
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Speaker 1: how come September first, to mind that fifty three man

491
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Speaker 1: roster and I and I have I play Week one

492
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Speaker 1: and I make a million dollars veteran mental you know,

493
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Speaker 1: or the rookie contract, whatever, But I make this team.

494
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Speaker 2: I do not want to be on.

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Speaker 1: The practice squad, which at the end of the day

496
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Speaker 1: is not the worst thing in the world because most

497
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Speaker 1: practice squad guys, you know, throughout the course of the year,

498
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Speaker 1: if they're good, get opportunities through injuries, get plucked off

499
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Speaker 1: other teams. Like it's being on the practice squad like

500
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Speaker 1: way worse things could happen. But this is a time

501
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Speaker 1: where you get on other people's radar. And we talked

502
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503
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504
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Speaker 1: Even if you make your team and you're on your team,

505
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Speaker 1: if the team gets rid of you next year, this

506
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Speaker 1: is really important for other people to like you and

507
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Speaker 1: the evaluations go a long way. I remember being in

508
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Speaker 1: the league and guys would you know, be three or

509
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Speaker 1: four years into the league, but they don't. They've been

510
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511
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Speaker 1: play besides special teams. And the only time you can

512
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Speaker 1: see them on offense or defense is in the preseason

513
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Speaker 1: so that preseason film is really really important. If that

514
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516
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517
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518
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Speaker 1: I'd say the other thing that doesn't matter is you

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Speaker 1: can't nitpick, like just because a guy plays in the

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568
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: it's hard to exactly quantify what that.

569
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Speaker 2: Means in terms of the vibe in their organization.

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Speaker 1: Just because you play in the second you know, the

571
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Speaker 1: second quarter, doesn't mean you're some lock to make the team,

572
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573
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean they don't like you, right. So it's very

574
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Speaker 1: hard to play that game, which we all try to do.

575
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: It's like, ah, this guy's playing the fourth quarter, he

576
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Speaker 1: much suck or are they just he just needed a

577
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578
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Speaker 1: get a bunch of time and they actually really like

579
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Speaker 1: this guy. Worst case scenario is going to be on

580
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Speaker 1: the practice squad, And just because you start a game

581
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Speaker 1: like doesn't mean that you're some lock to make the team.

582
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Speaker 2: That like a.

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Speaker 1: You know, trying to put the piece of the puzzle together,

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Speaker 1: just based on the time of game guys are playing

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Speaker 1: now for the most part, if you're playing in the

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter of some of these preseason games, you're probably

588
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Speaker 1: not gonna be a starter week one, But who knows.

589
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Speaker 1: You're on the practice squad and by the end of

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Speaker 1: September you're on the team and playing a little bit.

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Speaker 1: So you just you just never know. And we've talked

592
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: about this before that the sick part of training camp

593
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Speaker 1: is the injuries and when a guy goes down, especially

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Speaker 1: if you're not right near the play, whether you're a coach,

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Speaker 1: whether you're a player, and definitely whether you're you know,

596
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Speaker 1: the scouts and the gms who are kind of you know,

597
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: much more on the sideline. When you can't get a

598
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Speaker 1: direct view of you it is, you just pray it's

599
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Speaker 1: not an important player. I mean, that's a sick mindset.

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Speaker 1: But you just rather have it to be a backup

601
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Speaker 1: or third stringer. I mean, it makes logical sense. And today,

602
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: you know where Shaun Slater is a pretty special player,

603
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Speaker 1: and the Chargers drafted them high. They just paid them

604
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Speaker 1: a boatload of money. And the reason to like the

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Speaker 1: Chargers because their roster still got a little something to

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Speaker 1: be desired, you know, overall top to bottom, to be

607
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Speaker 1: like a Super Bowl contender, Like they're gonna have one

608
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Speaker 1: of the best offensive lines of the league that they

609
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Speaker 1: might right there with the Eagles have the best left

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Speaker 1: tackle right tackle combo with you know, my Latta and Lane,

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Speaker 1: and they got Slater.

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Speaker 2: And Joe Alt and.

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Speaker 1: To lose Rashaun Slater what looked like I saw a

614
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Speaker 1: couple of times like I don't even want to watch this.

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00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: It kind of looked like his knee buckled before the

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Speaker 1: defensive lineman even made contact. And it was reported the

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Speaker 1: Chargers put this out about two seconds after Schefter reported

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Speaker 1: it that he tours Pattel attendant, which happened to my

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Speaker 1: dad when I was probably in like I don't know,

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Speaker 1: fifth sixth grade.

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Speaker 2: Now again, he was fifty year old guy.

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Speaker 1: He was never quite the same and probably later in life,

623
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Speaker 1: should have got a knee replacement, but it was a

624
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Speaker 1: devastating injury. Again, he's not I'm not comparing my dad

625
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Speaker 1: at fifty to Reshawn Slater. But my point is that

626
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Speaker 1: that tearing that is a lot different than tearing your ACL,

627
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Speaker 1: which if you told me towards ACL, that sucks.

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Speaker 2: He's out for the season.

629
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Speaker 1: But it's like, you're gonna be okay that today was

630
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Speaker 1: a devastating day. And this is the risk of football.

631
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Speaker 1: This is why these guys hold out for the guaranteed money.

632
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: But this is also why the teams you just never know,

633
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Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, you gotta play

634
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Speaker 1: and you can the injury risk in football because of

635
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Speaker 1: how hard you lift. Right, You've seen guys get injured lifting.

636
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Speaker 1: You've seen guys get injured and walk through. You see

637
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Speaker 1: guys get injured like this. What looks like in more

638
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Speaker 1: of a non contact I mean it was a contact drill.

639
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: I think they're playing eleven and eleven, but I looked

640
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: like he went out before the guy even touched him.

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Speaker 1: It just it sucks, and it's the thing I don't

642
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: miss much about the NFL. Besides, there is some camaraderie

643
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Speaker 1: about everyone in the bunker together, players, coaches, front office.

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Speaker 1: You're all kind of pulling in the same way. Which

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Speaker 1: there's something you know in theory special about that. It's

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Speaker 1: awesome when you're on like sweet teams, sucks when you're

647
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Speaker 1: on bad teams. But I'll ever forget, and I even

648
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Speaker 1: at when I go to training camp doing what I

649
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: do now, that feeling of training camp, especially when it's

650
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Speaker 1: a marquee guy and the whole place just goes silent.

651
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: When you can hear a pin drop, no one's moving,

652
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: they call for the cart and it's just it's silence

653
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Speaker 1: and devastation. And this is what why these coaches get

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00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: paid so much money, because Jim Harbon now has to

655
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Speaker 1: go in front.

656
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: Of the team leading up to the season.

657
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: And act like everything's gonna be okay and we are

658
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: going to find a way to figure this out when

659
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: it's just there is no replacing a high end left tackle.

660
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: Now.

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00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: Technically, because they have Joe Alt on the right side,

662
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: you can move him to the left tackle. Okay, that's true,

663
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: So you can still have a good left tackle, a

664
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Speaker 1: really good left I mean, Joe All could make a

665
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: pro ball left tackle. But then your right tackle that's

666
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: not ideal. And now you can be like, well you

667
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: can move Mikai Beckton back to this tackle position. You're like, well,

668
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: he just resurrected his career at guard. So usually a

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Speaker 1: backup tackle, like the gap between starting tackle and backup tackle,

670
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: tends to be as big, sometimes bigger than like starting

671
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: quarterback to backup quarterback, especially when you're talking high end guys. Right,

672
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: if you're just talking average tackle to backup tackle, might

673
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: not be that big of a difference, No different than like,

674
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Speaker 1: what the hell's the difference between, you know, pick some

675
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: random quarterback, especially like a low end starter and the backup. Right,

676
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: like Jimmy Garoppolo is a backup. I don't think he's

677
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: that good anymore, but if he's one of the better

678
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: backups in the league, or Mac Jones against whoever is

679
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: the worst starter, Russell Wilson, like you could argue in

680
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, there's not much difference, right, Jameis Winston,

681
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, what the hell's the difference?

682
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: And I just.

683
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Speaker 1: Think it's really really hard because we're dealing with humans here,

684
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: not AI robots.

685
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: These people have.

686
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: Emotions, they have a brain that they understand like this

687
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: is a problem, and obviously, from a business standpoint, you

688
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: just invest all this money and.

689
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: Lose this players. It's pretty gutting.

690
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Speaker 1: And I was really high on the Chargers last year.

691
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: Not that I was down on them necessarily, because anytime

692
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Speaker 1: you got Jim Harball and you got a really good

693
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Speaker 1: quarterback and you got a physical mentality, like they're gonna

694
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Speaker 1: be good. But I was like, I could see them,

695
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: you know, be a little closer to average this year

696
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: than what they were last year, and I kind of

697
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: like the Broncos more.

698
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: And then today it's like this is the type move because.

699
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Speaker 1: The one thing they hung on their hat on last year,

700
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: it's like, well, hey, you know, no receivers like offensive

701
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: line Jim Harbaugh, run the ball, lose a tackle. That's

702
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: that's the major problem that sucks. You feel for the player,

703
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: you feel for the team. I mean, Chargers have gotten

704
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: so much good positive momentum. This guy is such a

705
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: high level guy, and it's a really good feeling as

706
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: a team, as a coaching staff, as a fan base

707
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: when it's like we got a high end star player.

708
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: Who's just a good dude like that, those type people

709
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: you like, you.

710
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: Want to build around, and then the guy has a

711
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: devastating knee injury, which I'm not even trying to get

712
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: ahead of myself, but when you have that injury relative

713
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: to some others, even if it's season ending, you're like,

714
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: are we sure this guy's ever going to be the same.

715
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: I want to end on this Fugazi Friday. I don't

716
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: think I've talked about this yet, but this is like

717
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: a couple weeks old, JJ Watt was going at it

718
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: with a bunch of people on social media about training

719
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: camp stats being stupid. He also didn't love like training

720
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: camp videos coming out, and then a bunch of reporters

721
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: that take those stats or fighting back, and I think, listen,

722
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: in training camp, every team is recording the stats of completion, percentage,

723
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Speaker 1: of catches, of win rate in practice between offensive and

724
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: defensive line. No one is acting like if you catch

725
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: two touchdowns in a practice, it's the same as doing

726
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: it on Sunday or Monday night football. But do think

727
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: that does not matter? And again we're not talking about

728
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: like if Jamar Chase. No one cares about Jamar Chase's

729
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: stats in training camp, right, did he have fifty touchdowns?

730
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 1: Did he have two it doesn't matter. We're not talking

731
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: about established veteran players. No one's judging Saquon Barclay's run

732
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: per attempt, your yards per attempt, or how many catches

733
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: he had on wheel routes. I mean, the Eagles might

734
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: technically be taking that information, but no one, no fan

735
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: the Eagles, like, we're not judging that. But you can't

736
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Speaker 1: convince me that the backup quarterback, the third string quarterback,

737
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: all the skill guys who aren't starters. The defensive players

738
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: are a little harder to get statistics because you're not

739
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: tackling to the ground for most teams every some teams

740
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: do like a session or two doing that. But offensive

741
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 1: statistics in practice for guys that aren't starters, they matter

742
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: because why would they take them now? They are put

743
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: into context with the team when they're evaluating. But I'm sorry,

744
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: like they're doing that for a reason. These practices matter,

745
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: some coaches will tell you, especially if you know the

746
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: joint practices might hold a little more weight than some

747
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: of the games. So I understand where jag is coming from.

748
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: Because players get really mad when a video comes out,

749
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: and some drills like the O line D line, one

750
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: on one pass rush Obviously that's advantage defensive lineman because

751
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: offensive linemen don't quote unquote play one on one. They

752
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 1: play as a unit with five. So if the guard

753
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: is going up against even if he's going up against

754
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald or Jalen Carter or you know, you name it,

755
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: he typically has a center there to help him out

756
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: if he pushes him over. That guy's just standing there.

757
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: No different than one on one routes on air or

758
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: not routes on air, but like one on one wide

759
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: receiver corner with the quarterback, well, there's no pass rush,

760
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: so sometimes the corner or excuse me, the wide receiver

761
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: runs like an out and in and up and comes

762
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: back and catches it like seventeen seconds later. Like no

763
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: one's talking about those stats, but in team situations, seven

764
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: on seven even, but definitely team situations, statistics with the

765
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: skill guys kind of matter, and the teams keep track

766
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: of it. And I'm sure you know, defensive coaches and

767
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: the defensive coaching staff because now these staffs are huge

768
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: take inventory on like yeah, we'll give you a tackle,

769
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: but like kind of keep tracks of like this would

770
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: have tackled, This would be a mistackle. This was a misassignment,

771
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: Like all this stuff really matters. This is you were

772
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: trying to earn a job, just like no different than

773
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: like in an interview. Probably most things you say matter,

774
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: even if you look back a year later after getting

775
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: the job, Like I was kind of stupid. It mattered

776
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: at the time, and you might go on, you know,

777
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: like a guy like Victor Cruz to have a great career,

778
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: but those catches he made in pre season which led

779
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: or in practice, which led to him getting reps in

780
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: the game that have been making plays like it all

781
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: kind of builds on one another. Right, If you don't

782
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: make plays in practice, you know, you're probably not gonna

783
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: move up the depth chart and get an opportunity to

784
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: play a lot of snaps in the games, and then

785
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: the pressure on those game reps will be huge, and

786
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: if you screw up, it might just be like we

787
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: might cut you. So I think we got to be

788
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: very careful about saying none of them matter.

789
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: They're all stupid. That's just not true.

790
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: Do they mean everything? Of course not, But like just

791
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: players getting so advanced, so like I'm so embarrassed because

792
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: I got I got mossed in a practice, you know,

793
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: like the coaches like whatever, if you trip like it,

794
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: shit happens.

795
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 2: Can we have a little thicker skin? I can't like

796
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 2: even I've seen some where. Did I watch this recently?

797
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: Who was saying it?

798
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: It was like Tracy McGrady.

799
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 2: It was some older NBA player, It was someone else.

800
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: It was like a guy that just retired recently. And

801
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: he said that one thing it might have been like

802
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: Joe Johnson. I forget who it was, but he said

803
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: one thing that changed dramatically that when he first got

804
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: in the league in like two thousand or two thousand

805
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: and five or whenever to now, was that you come

806
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: into halftime. Oh was Kevin Garnett was even saying this,

807
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: And you know, usually come into halftime, everyone like takes

808
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 1: a deep breath, slam a gatorade or whatever. You start

809
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: going over, Hey we start doing this against this guy.

810
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm out, you're in. Will you take this guy?

811
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: And you kind of start basketball strategy for ten to

812
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, he was saying, you come in the locker room. Now,

813
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: fucking place is silent. Everyone's on their phone. And it

814
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: wasn't KG, but one guy said that like one of

815
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: the dude, it might have been Chauncey Billups. It was Chouncey,

816
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 1: who's a coach, who's the coach of the Trailblazers. He said,

817
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: a dude had a huge dunk in like the first

818
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: or second quarter, and he said it was sweet. It

819
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: was like a big time you know, like a dunk

820
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: that you would see all over like highlight Twitter accounts

821
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: and stuff. And he said, by the time they were

822
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: coming out to the second half and he learned about

823
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: it after the game, the dude had taken that dunk

824
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: and posted it all over social media during the game,

825
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: you know, at halftime, during the game, and it's just

826
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: like we live in a different era where everyone is

827
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: so obsessed with what's going on on social media at

828
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: you know, these young athletes, which I do understand you've

829
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: grown up, but like you get to a point you

830
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: should it's like it's kind of irrelevant even if people

831
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: are making fun of you, just don't go on.

832
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: And people will go it's so easy for you to say,

833
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: don't go on. I actually don't think it should be

834
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: that hard, you know, it really shouldn't.

835
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: And especially some of these guys that have been you know,

836
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: around big time college programs, you realize, like the only

837
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: people that matter, you know, in college is the head coach, right,

838
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: does that guy believe in you? In your coordinators?

839
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: Are they playing you?

840
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: And in the pros, it's like what Joe Blow is

841
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: saying on Twitter Instagram making fun of you. Does your

842
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: coach or GM think that about you? Because if they don't,

843
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. And they're the ones that hold the

844
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: keys to millions upon millions of dollars and playing time

845
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: in the National Football League, not some guy talking shit

846
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: in your Instagram comments. So I just I think we've overblown,

847
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: like how bad the training camp coverages. I'd argue it's

848
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: better than it's ever been. And the information, which is

849
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: king is important to the NFL. People are following it.

850
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: I'll promise you that every team in the league, they're

851
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: director of player personnel, the air pro scouts.

852
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: Are all over all this information.

853
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: So to say it doesn't matter or it's just that's

854
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: actually kind of uninformed because it's just not true. The

855
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: volume