1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to betting pros. It's time to place 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: your bets. It is me, Joey Pa Joe Pi's ata 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: and today we're going to take a look at the 4 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: preseason NFL Week one. That's right, We've got real football. 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: And I don't mean the Hall of Fame game, because 6 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: that's always a joke. We've got some real football. Week one. 7 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: I know is going to be a joke, but it 8 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: doesn't mean we can't make some money off of it. 9 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: So I decide to invite a friend of mine who 10 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: is new friend of mine, but kind of old friend 11 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: in the sense because we're always run in the same circles. 12 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: But we've never done a show together, and I thought 13 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: it was time to stop that. I thought it was 14 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: time to break that streak. It's Dave Lochran over from 15 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: odd Shopper. Dave, you and I have been in this 16 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: industry for a very long time, between DFS and fantasy 17 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: and betting, never done a show together, but I'm very 18 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: happy to have you on here today. I know preseason 19 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: NFL is not exactly the sexiest topic, but I think 20 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: we can make it sexy and win some money. And 21 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: I think with the right news and the right approach. 22 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: We could do just that today. So are you ready 23 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: for some football in Week one? 24 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: I'm ready, man, I mean, look, is this football in earnest? 25 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: Now it's better than I was saying the other day. 26 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 2: There's the Hall of Fame game, then there's preseason football, 27 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 2: then there's regular season. So this is somewhere in the middle. 28 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, you hit me up the other day and 29 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: asked I wanted to do come onto the show? Happy 30 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: to I Oddly enough, I enjoyed talking preseason betting. I think, 31 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of nuance to it, and 32 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: it's more like it's anything you know about football, like 33 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: the regular season stats and you know, offensive defensive metrics, 34 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: all of this, it all goes out the window to 35 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: be able to research picks for the preseason. It's an 36 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: entirely different process. It's laborious too, like it takes a while, 37 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: but it's if you can accept that it's a different 38 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: process and nowhere to look, it's actually kind of fun. 39 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: I agree, it's actually I think if you can focus it, 40 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: you can find some really simple things to wager on 41 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: and actually make some money. We had Chris Raybond on 42 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: last Week one of the best of the biz, and 43 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: he was giving us some best practices, and I'm going 44 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: to try to apply some of them myself because I'm 45 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: somebody who wasn't always as heavy into the preseason, but 46 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's time to get ready for football. So 47 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: I'm I'm using some of the things actually Chris talked 48 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: about last week and I'm applying them. So if you 49 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: missed that show, you can go back and listen or 50 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: watch on our YouTube channel. Make sure you subscribe to 51 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: the Betting Pros YouTube channel as well and click that 52 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: little bell to lit goes Ding because we're giving away 53 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: premium subscriptions to Betting Pros. 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So let's start with some of 62 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: Dave's favorites, and then I'm gonna do some of mine. 63 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: And then of course I can't let any guests who's 64 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 1: smart go away without giving some look into what their 65 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: futures are for the NFL season so we can continue 66 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: to all bet together and make some cash. So Dave, 67 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: let's start with your number one bet going in this 68 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: week to week one in the NFL preseason. 69 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a couple I like. I usually don't. I 70 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: usually don't try and project down too far unless there's 71 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: spots that immediately you see in their note, you know 72 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: they're gonna move. Baltimore Ravens generally being one of those two. 73 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: We can we can talk about that. I know you 74 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 2: might have some interest in one side of that game, 75 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: but looking at this game between the Patriots and the Texans, 76 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 2: one thing to consider too, It is like you can 77 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: get some big spreads in these games, which is surprising, 78 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 2: and also the totals are going to look odd to you. 79 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: Like if you, if anybody bet last year, you remember 80 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: that the first week of the NFL preseason, not including 81 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame game, the average total was like 82 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: thirty three, and then everything just sort over that total. 83 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: The next week, everything opens up at forty. The average 84 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: total was forty and a half, so there were some 85 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: big adjustments. Who knows if we see some of that 86 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: this season, but I think the Patriots at plus four 87 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: is a really interesting spot. You know, in Foxborough you 88 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: have Demiko Ryans. You don't this is first this is 89 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: first action for first NFL action as a head coach. 90 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: You know, you can't look back at his record against 91 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: the spread in preseason, you can't look at any of that, 92 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: and you already know that CJ. Stroud's going to be 93 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: the starter. But at the same time, like, yeah, you 94 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: have Davis Mills as well. I don't really know how 95 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: much I don't really know how much of an advantage 96 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 2: that is over you know, Bailey Zappi, who looked fine 97 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 2: last season, look fine in the preseason, even got some 98 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: regular season work. Bill Belichick has also been somebody that 99 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: in the preseason last year was kind of weird. But 100 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: he had been nine to three in preseason games in 101 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: four seasons leading up to twenty twenty two. He's been, 102 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 2: you know, solidly above five hundred against the spread in 103 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 2: his career as a head coach. They're at home. This 104 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: is just one of those games. Where I think there's 105 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: an overreaction to CJ. Stroud's starting and the fact that 106 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 2: Davis Mills in case Keenum or your backup, because it's 107 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 2: not like you've got trash backing up Mac Jones, assuming 108 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 2: he doesn't play in this game. Then you also had 109 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: that Malik cunninghampton highest paid undrafted free agent two hundred 110 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: thousand dollars guaranteed. They want to tournament into a core 111 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: wide receiver, but he's seen some opportunities in camp as 112 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 2: a quarterback. Does he get some chances? So I think 113 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: you're getting four. This has moved enough now when it 114 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 2: opened at one and a half. This has moved enough 115 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 2: now to four where I have no problem taking the 116 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: points with the Patriots at home. 117 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, and I'm glad you mentioned 118 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: Cunningham too, because he's getting a lot of buzz out 119 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: of camp. So I think you're gonna see Zappi in there, 120 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: and you're gonna see guys getting some reps in this 121 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: offense because it is a new offense to everybody there. 122 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien is back, but that doesn't mean anything to 123 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: mac Jones. It doesn't be anything to Bail. He's happy 124 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: because they didn't play with Bill O'Brien's offense. So this 125 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: is gonna be a little bit different, and I think 126 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: the Patriots need to get those reps in early and often, 127 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: whether we see Mac or not. I agree with you 128 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. This one was actually number four for me. 129 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: I just missed my list. So let's go at your 130 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: number two that that you're looking at in week one 131 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: of the preseason. What do you have lined up? 132 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 2: All right, let's do it. So I have a I mean, 133 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 2: there's a few that look good. I haven't looked too much, 134 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: you know, like Sunday yet, because there's still a lot 135 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 2: of unknowns. But we can keep it. We can keep 136 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: it Thursday and Friday. Why not look at Bengal plus 137 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 2: four and a half. Maybe I should move off of 138 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: that because I was on plus four and a half yesterday. 139 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: I bet that I threw it into some of our 140 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: groups and I'm trying to say it looks like that 141 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: moved to three and a half everywhere. So that's good 142 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: news for me, maybe bad news for you guys. But okay, 143 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: so let me go to another one because I got 144 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: four on here, so I'll throw one more at you. 145 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: I'm not going to give you four and a half 146 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: when it's not there anymore. But I did think that 147 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 2: was a pretty good. 148 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: That's why you have the Betting pros app though, because 149 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: you could find what houses still have it in certain spots. 150 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: And that's why I tell everybody, if you download the app, 151 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: you can say, on top of these things, and as 152 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: this is moving, like Dave saying, you go, when you 153 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: look and you find where it is still a four 154 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: and a half, and you bet it at that house 155 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: when you sink your sports books, you're able to still 156 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: get that line. It might not have moved everywhere. It 157 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: might have moved in some of them places, but not 158 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: all of the places. But what's another one that you 159 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: have too that right now looks like it's locked in. 160 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and agree you have to shop linescially, Yeah, you're 161 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: not shopping lines in the preseason. You're doing it completely wrong. 162 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 2: There were some totals out there yesterday in this game 163 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: thirty six and a half, thirty five in other spots. 164 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: This one has moved to three and a half everywhere 165 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: from what I'm seeing. 166 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: But uh, okay, give me, give me course, says the 167 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: guy from Odds Shopper. Of course, he says to shop 168 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: the odds. 169 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: Of course, come on, yeah, I'm telling you. The only 170 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: way to do it. H Giants and Detroit over thirty 171 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: five here there's thirty five and a half in some spots, 172 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: but you can get thirty five's out there. So when 173 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: you have these teams, one thing to consider, and you 174 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: were talking about you discussed this with Raybun the other 175 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: day our last week. Just certain things to consider. Obviously, 176 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: it's coaches, it's quarterbacks very infrequently, some narratives that play 177 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: into it, like Hall of Fame game in twenty twenty 178 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: two for Josh McDaniels. But another thing is joint practices 179 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 2: many often, especially now that these games that we've gone 180 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 2: the three preseason games instead of four following that, you know, 181 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: no preseason in COVID year, you're seeing the a lot 182 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: of these coaches treat these joint practices as preseason games 183 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: for the starters. They're not looking at the joint practices 184 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: as any eating less than preseason games. So then you 185 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: don't see a lot of starters. Brian Dable and Dan Campbell, 186 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: these two teams are in joint practices. Is it possible 187 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: that Daniel Jones gets some opportunities here. Maybe he struggled 188 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: in these joint practices at least significantly. In one day, 189 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: went six for thirteen, made some bad plays through some 190 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: hospital balls to Paris Campbell. But you look at the 191 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: backups in this game, Joe, you have Teddy Bridgewater and 192 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: even Nate SUDFELDT like Sudfeld's fine, he has some regular 193 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 2: season starting experience. And then if Toarrod Taylor on the 194 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 2: other side, Dan Campbell for the Lions too said he's 195 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: gonna douse Jamison Williams in preseason reps. Right, I'll take 196 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: that any day of the week. It's only one player. 197 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: But if Bridgewater end or Sudfelder to throw in the ball, 198 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: I think they can get it to him. You're not 199 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: gonna have Hendon Hooker the third round rookie. But you 200 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: just look at this game. I think there's many different 201 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: ways this could play out into it relatively high scoring game, 202 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: even if you don't get any Daniel Jones. So instead 203 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: of a side here, I'd rather go with the total. 204 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: And you know, you look at the Caesars has it 205 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: at thirty five. Still they played six, you know, three 206 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 2: preseason games each last year. The average score in the 207 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 2: games that they played was forty six point seven. Five 208 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: of the games that these teams played combined swored over 209 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: this total at thirty five. So really horrible defense from 210 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: both of them and all of them like the I 211 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: like over thirty five in this game. 212 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: All right, and let's get to the last one here 213 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: that you got. So after you have the thirty five, 214 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: you've got one more and you're in on the Browns 215 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: game as well. Let's talk about that one. 216 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't mind this at all. Kevin Stefanski's five 217 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: and two in the preseason in two preseason experience that 218 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 2: we've seen four to two and one against the spread. 219 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 2: Rivera's never He's been a tough guy to kind of 220 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: pin down when it comes to preseason. He's twenty one 221 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 2: twenty one over his career and twenty twenty one and 222 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: twenty and one against the spread. But you know, you 223 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: look at you look at Stefanski in this offense. Right now, 224 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 2: Brown they're gonna start to Shaun Watson. We know that 225 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 2: he struggled last season coming back from the suspension. I 226 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: don't think that's much of a surprise. They got the 227 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame game, So them and the Jets are 228 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: the only two teams that are gonna play four actual 229 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: preseason games this year. But then you have Joshua Dobbs, 230 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: Kellen mund He's no good. We already know that. But 231 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: Ptr Jordan Thompson Robinson, I know he was playing against 232 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 2: guys that are never going to see the field in 233 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 2: regular season action. I don't know if you watched. I'm 234 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 2: sure you watched some of that Hall of Fame game. 235 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: He actually looked good. He's got the dual threat capabilities, 236 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: he read the defense. Well. If you've got him out 237 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: there for a quarter, I think that's enough to give 238 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 2: you the edge for Cleveland here. Rivera has been kind 239 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: of tight leped here when it comes to who's starting. 240 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 2: But Sam, how's your starter? You have Jacoby Brissett, you 241 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: have Jake fromm as your third string. They're only carrying 242 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: three quarterbacks on the roster. But at home, plus Kevin 243 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: Stefanski's preseason record, plus the fact that you're probably gonna 244 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 2: get around two series from Watson, then Dobbs, and probably 245 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: a quarter from dtr, I do like this Cleveland spot 246 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: Land three points at home. 247 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: Dorian Thompson Robinson I thought was so impressive in that 248 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: small sample that in a deeper dynasty league. He was undrafted, 249 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 1: and I picked him up. The next morning. I went 250 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: threw in some fad budget and I was like, and 251 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: I'm somebody that has Deshaun Watson. So I thought to myself, well, 252 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 1: this seems like a good idea just to kind of 253 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: you know, I've got a roster spot open here. I 254 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: could drop Teddy Bridgewater and I can go pick up 255 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: this kid and see what happens as a little insurance. 256 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: But I'm glad you brought that up too, because that 257 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: was another thing that I noticed. He looked sharp man athletic. 258 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: It's good college career two combined was you know, a 259 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: little up and down, but you know, sometimes it's all 260 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: about getting in the right spot in the right offense. 261 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: All right, here's some of the things that I'm in 262 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 1: on this week and week one of the preseason. We'll 263 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: get Dave's take on it. The first thing is followed 264 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: the Ravens, right, I mean the Ravens who just twenty 265 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: three exhibition games in a row, covering the spread in 266 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: twenty of those twenty three instances. That's pretty good last 267 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: time I checked. Now they are facing the Eagles, and 268 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: I think this kind of interesting because the Eagles are 269 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: a team that I know I have big time investments 270 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: in the futures, clearly, But last season they allowed thirty 271 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: points per game in the preseason, and I think that 272 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: you're talking about an Eagles team that really just wants 273 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: to get out of preseason healthy, get the young kids 274 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: some reps, because they do have a younger defense now. 275 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: These last two years, they've turned things over there, and 276 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: I think it's important that they get those kids some action. 277 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: But in this first one especially, I think is really 278 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: important for the Ravens to start to figure out this 279 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: new offensive. Tom Munkins, So the Ravens at minus six 280 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: at the minus one to ten. I know it's a 281 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: minus number, but you know what, I feel good about it, 282 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: And if you want to put it with something else, 283 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: I'm okay with it. I know it becomes a cliche, Dave, 284 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: where we keep looking at, you know, the Ravens and 285 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: investing in them in preseason. But until it goes otherwise, 286 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep doing it and pounding the table. 287 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 2: Look, I hear it's hard to go against them. 288 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: What can we do at this point? 289 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, the only thing is like this opened at four 290 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 2: and a half, and it's just everybody loves Baltimore, you 291 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: know what I mean. 292 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: So I know, and I don't like going with the 293 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: public this hard, but I just don't see why the 294 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: Eagles in week one of the preseason are pushing any 295 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: book whatsoever. 296 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: I totally get it. Plus like you know what you 297 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: have in Marcus Mariota anyway, But yeah, no, no, listen 298 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: any any time it comes down to the Ravens, you're 299 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 2: never gonna hear me argue. The only difference now is 300 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: I have the has Vegas have the books adjusted to this? 301 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 2: Not that they're you know, not that they can win, 302 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 2: but are we just are we just gonna see the 303 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 2: spread balloons so much each week that we might start 304 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 2: having the tap because wins are one thing, covering the 305 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: spreads another thing. And yeah, Hardball's Ravens have been covering 306 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 2: the spread, There's no question about it. But even go 307 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: back and look at last preseason, you saw it open 308 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 2: at like, you know, threes, three and a half so, 309 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 2: and then I think against the Giants it was six. 310 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: In the next game it was six, six and a half. 311 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 2: First game was three and a half. But yeah, I'm 312 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: never gonna fault anybody for taking the Baltimore Ravens in 313 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 2: the preseason, especially given that Nick Sirianni has shown that 314 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: he doesn't care about the preseason at all. 315 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: No, uh, he does not, that's for sure. But also, 316 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: you know, you're just talking about the Baltimore Ravens and 317 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: talking about how far it's going to go. I think 318 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: you're right. I think if it's gonna go, it's gonna 319 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: go higher this week in week one. To be honest 320 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: with you, I think it will be harder to do 321 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: in week two when we're more starters playing. In the 322 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: week three, you might have that balloon effect again when 323 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: there's less guys playing, depending on who is left to 324 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: get reps and who they want to protect. The next 325 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: one for me is the Dallas Cowboys straight up on 326 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: the money line at plus one sixty. They're four point 327 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: underdogs here against Jacksonville. I'm not sure why necessarily know. 328 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: Jacksonville is a fun team at this point. I know 329 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: they got into the playoffs, had a great run. I 330 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: love Trevor Lawrence. Ridley's exciting, but they didn't win a 331 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: game in the preseason last year, which I don't want 332 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: to take too much into account because that was a 333 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: page one rewrite situation where urban Meyer left this organization 334 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: in such a lurch and Peterson had to come in 335 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: figure things out. But I'm also looking at the Cowboys 336 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: with some new pieces that they've got to figure out 337 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: that I think they are trying to get Dak Prescott's 338 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: some confidence. Whether or not he plays much in this 339 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: game is still kind of TBD. But I'm looking at 340 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: the defense of the Dallas Cowboys and they're gonna get 341 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: some reps in this game too, and some of those 342 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: players that they have, the depth that they have. I 343 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: think this line is just straight up wrong. Dave. Do 344 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: you see it differently? Do you think Jacksonville is the 345 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: team that should be favored, because I don't. 346 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: No, I mean, Doug Peterson is historic historically does not 347 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 2: care about the preseason either, right, So no, I don't. 348 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: I don't have any issues with that. I mean, And 349 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: if you wanted to go Dallas, you know, money line, 350 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: or he wanted to just take the points, there no issues. 351 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: Would you say the spread was in this one plus. 352 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: Four plus four right now? Yeah? 353 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have no problem with that. Look, here's one 354 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 2: of the things. 355 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: I'm just taking them straight up on the money line 356 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: plus one sixty's just go, yeah, Peterson went four. 357 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 2: Peterson's an interesting coach with with preseason history. So his 358 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: first two seasons as an NFL coach with the Eagles, 359 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: he actually cared about it. Well, I'll use the term loosely, 360 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: but he actually used his starters and and and and 361 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: used it as an exp like an opportunity to get them. 362 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: Then in twenty eighteen, excuse me, he completely changed things up. 363 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: And you can see that not only by the personnel, 364 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: but by his record too. He went four to oh 365 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: in his first season, then two and two, then he 366 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 2: went one in three, one and three, then no games 367 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 2: COVID year, then zero to four last year because they 368 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: played that Hall of Fame game against the Raiders. So 369 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 2: you look over the last three seasons, even four if 370 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: you want to include twenty seventeen, Doug Peterson has not 371 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: cared even remotely about the preseason. There's no way I'd 372 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: be laying four on Jacksonville, I can tell you that much. 373 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: No. I think this one's just straight up wrong. And look, 374 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: they don't get it wrong all the time. That's why 375 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: they build hotels. You know, these books. So that's you know, 376 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: a big part of it. But preseason is a bit 377 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: of chaos, and I think that's always more difficult. And 378 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: that's why, even though you might not be interested in 379 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: these games, there's ways to make money at it. The 380 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: last one for me, Dave is the Indianapolis Colts and 381 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. And the number right now you're getting 382 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: is thirty nine and a half. It's minus one ten. Again, 383 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: it's a minus number, but I think it's a safe 384 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: one because I'm looking at the Colts and I don't 385 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: think they know who they are right now. You're not 386 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 1: gonna have Jonathan Taylor playing at all in this game. 387 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: You already had Zach Moss who's hurt, so you're already 388 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: maybe down to getting Evian wholesome reps in this game 389 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: and some other players like that. I don't know what 390 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: this offense is going to look like at this stage 391 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: in the game too. And also on the Bills side, 392 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: if I'm the Bills right now, I am not pushing 393 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: things too far. Like I'm trying to, you know, take 394 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: care of James Cook. I'm trying to take care of 395 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: Damian Harris, who's doing a little bit of an injury 396 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: right now. I'm not looking for, you know, to push 397 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: any of my starters in Week one here, Frankly, let's 398 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: be honest. You know, Josh Allen takes a lot of 399 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: hits throughout the year. Stefan Diggs is in his ninth season. 400 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: You got to kind of put these guys in bubble 401 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: rap a little bit. So I feel like this one 402 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: and going back to what Raybaun talked about last week, 403 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: when you see anything over thirty seven and a half, 404 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: you know you start to, you know, go that other 405 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: way into the under, And I'm gonna go with the 406 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: under in the thirty nine and a half because I 407 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: think it's just too big of a number. Do you 408 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: think that this one has the potential to go over 409 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: or you where I am where you think there's just 410 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: way too many questions and not enough answers for them 411 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: to hit close to. 412 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 2: Thirty nine and a half. That's a lot of points. 413 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: For sure. We know that Richardson's gonna start. But again, 414 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: you kind of go back to the Houston thing right 415 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 2: when we're talking about the Patriots earlier. Yeah, okay, so 416 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: they're starting, these guys, are these guys are top picks? 417 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: Like second overall, picking stroud Ford, picking Richardson. There's still 418 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 2: rookies that have never seen a single snap of NFL experience, 419 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 2: and Sean McDermott said that he is going to play 420 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 2: most of his starters but not Josh Allen, Stefan Diggs, 421 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 2: Walt play. So my assumption is that you're gonna see 422 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 2: a decent amount of defensive starters out there. My opinion 423 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 2: that lends to the under here, because if you're taking 424 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 2: Josh Allen out of it, but you're still playing a 425 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 2: bunch of starters, you have no Stefan Diggs either, but 426 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 2: the defense is gonna presumably you're gonna see defensive starters 427 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: under thirty nine and a half. You're asking for me, 428 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: You're asking under forty points in a preseason game in 429 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 2: preseason week one. Yeah, you're not gonna hear an argument 430 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 2: for me there. 431 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: I've already put money on these things again. You can 432 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: follow me on the app if you download the app 433 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: on betting Pros, you go to bettingpros dot com slash 434 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: Joe Boom my pretty face pops up. You can follow 435 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: me and a lot of the other experts who are 436 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: really good at picking some of these games. Probably even 437 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: better than I am in the preseason too. So make 438 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,959 Speaker 1: sure you go out there, you download the app, and 439 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: you start following some of your favorite experts, because that's 440 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: a great way to stay in tune all NFL season. Now, Dave, 441 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: I promised before we let you go, we talk about 442 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: some of your future bets that you have already investments 443 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: in or that you're looking at. So let's start with 444 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: number one on that list of three that you're looking 445 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: at in the NFL twenty twenty three futures market. 446 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: All right, I figured I go. You know all semi 447 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 2: long shots here, nobody. 448 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: Sure, Let's have some fun, baby, let's go. 449 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: Look. I could give you all day long, like full 450 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 2: season player stats. But yeah, do you want to wait 451 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: out a minus one ten bet until early January? 452 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: No, that's not fun. 453 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 2: Most people don't, and if we do, it's not as 454 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: fun to talk about. All right, how about how about 455 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 2: the Carolina Panthers to in the NFC South. 456 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: It interesting? Take me through, Take me through what. 457 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: There's there's not a single court. Look at the quarterbacks 458 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 2: in this division? Desmond Ritter, what's the likelier to this guy? 459 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 2: I'm on the Falcons. 460 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: So that's why I'm curious because Raybond and I were 461 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: both on the Falcons last week, so I want to 462 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: hear the opposite to here for Caroline in the division. 463 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 2: Okay, so it's but here's the thing though, our thinking 464 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 2: is probably more in alignment than you would assume. It's 465 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,479 Speaker 2: that the division is completely up for grabs. You you 466 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 2: have the Atlanta Falcons, who have some weapons, hands down, 467 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: Jon Robinson, Kyle Pitts. 468 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: You have a lot drake guy named Drake London. Yeah, 469 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: it's not bad. You just gotta have a facilitator. 470 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 2: Eighty pounds of muscle, which is did you see that video? 471 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: It's it's a little nuts. 472 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 2: It's a little nuts. 473 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: Not gonna lie. 474 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: He might be getting the call to the front office 475 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 2: at some point. 476 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: But but you know what, could it be? 477 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 2: Sure? Ritter also just not be good. I think it's 478 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 2: entirely possible. You have the New Orleans Saints. Dennis Allen 479 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: hasn't proven yet that he is a coach that can, 480 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 2: you know, lead a team to a winning season. Derek 481 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: Carr is he the best quarterback in the division? Yet? 482 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 2: He is? And they have some weapons there. But like 483 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 2: that's the that's you. That's the most resistance is you're 484 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 2: probably getting from the Saints. And then you're talking about 485 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield and Kyle Trask as your two quarterbacks in 486 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: Tampa Bay that team, the Wheels completely fell off of 487 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 2: the Tampa Bay Bucks last year. Who knows what you 488 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: get there. So I just think it's a complete unknown. 489 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 2: With Carolina you could get and they're at plus four 490 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 2: hundred four to one. Bryce Young could be really good. 491 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: Frank Raight, I know it was a disaster in Indy 492 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: last year, but their quarterback play was as bad as 493 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: you could possibly get, and there's not a whole lot 494 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 2: you can do there. They do have some weapons, maybe 495 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 2: nobody that stands out in the big way, but they've 496 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: got some guys that could that could show up. They 497 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 2: added Miles Sanders and also they have an offensive line 498 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: that ranked top ten in the year last season, and 499 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: I think a defense that's going to improve. So G 500 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: mean plus four hundred. What was your guys take on 501 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: the Falcons. 502 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: Well, it was kind of like, look, we have more outs, 503 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: whereas like if Raiders not good, maybe Heinike could just 504 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: kind of will this team with the weapons they have 505 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: Bejon Robinson, I think it's more just our love of Bijon, 506 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: thinking that he could just be a one man wrecking 507 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: crew and if they make enough adjustments on defense, that 508 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: the offensive line is good enough running this football like 509 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: they approved last year without jear. But the mindset it's 510 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: the same, Like I'm not necessarily just buying into the 511 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: old hat of what this old guard division was. It 512 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: was terrible last year. I think it got markedly better. Necessarily, 513 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: I think there's opportunity for somebody else to step through there. 514 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: And we're both saying the same thing. All right, what's 515 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: number two on your list? Here? Because I love this one. 516 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: I want to talk about this because I got to 517 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: get and run after this show and bet this because 518 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: I could not agree more with this one. 519 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 2: All right, so this is just like more of a 520 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 2: fun one, but also it could legitimately win. You're talking 521 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: to Cardinals one, right, Yeah, all right, Cardinals to be 522 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: the lowest scoring team in the NFL at plus six 523 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 2: point fifty. My buddy Ben Rossa, who I do many 524 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 2: shows at, one of the sharpest guys I know from 525 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 2: a betting perspective. He put me onto this one, and 526 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,719 Speaker 2: may you just think about this football team. They're going 527 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: to be bad and what also makes a bad offense. 528 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: It's not just bad weapons in the passing game, or 529 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 2: you know, a bad quarterback or a quarterback coming off 530 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 2: of a season ending ACL injury. It's also a bad 531 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 2: offensive line. And this team's projected to have one of 532 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 2: the worst offensive lines from a pass blocking and run 533 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: blocking perspective in the league this year. That's the case. 534 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 2: They could be in a lot of trouble. Maybe they 535 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 2: rack up a bunch of garbage time points entirely possible, 536 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 2: but the Arizona Cardinals to be the lowest scoring team 537 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: in the year in the league this year is one 538 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 2: that certainly stands out to me. Now, the only other 539 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 2: thing I'll say, though, is I mean, at this point, 540 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 2: it looks so bad for them that as far as 541 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 2: least point props go, they're plus six feet six The 542 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 2: next closest team is plus nine hundred nine to one. 543 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 2: So I mean they are they are squarely in the 544 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 2: basement on this one. But I still like it. 545 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: I love it. I mean, offensive line is terrible. The 546 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: uncertainty of Kyler Murray's health or return date, I mean, 547 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: the lack of weapons, I mean, we could just go 548 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: on and on and on it's going to be ugly 549 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: on the streets, you know, the Green coaching staff. I 550 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: mean the factor we're still getting plus six to fifty 551 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: on it. Like, I saw this in the show sheet, 552 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: and I basically said to myself, why didn't I see 553 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: this earlier? Why didn't I bet this earlier? All Right, 554 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: last one here, let's end on a high note. This 555 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: is another one. It's some fun here. You're going to 556 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: make a case for an MVP in the league that's 557 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: not named Mahomes. It's not named Jalen Hurts. What's his name, Dave? 558 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean we both know that when it 559 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: comes to MVPs, it like, could it be Mahomes again? 560 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 2: Of course Jalen Hurts. Sure, Joe Burrow, so, assuming especially 561 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 2: that he gets back in time, Yeah, I think all 562 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 2: of that could be the case. But I will say 563 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 2: that Justin Herbert is a very interesting one to me. 564 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: I think you probably make a case for Trevor Lawrence 565 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: as well when you look at Justin Herbert and the 566 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: weapons in this passing game, assuming he stays healthy and 567 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 2: assuming that this is this is one of the Chargers teams. 568 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 2: I feel terribly bad for Chargers fans every year. I 569 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: like the charge I'm an Eagles fan, of course, but 570 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 2: I've always liked the Chargers, you know, back in the 571 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: Rivers and the Danian Tomlinson days. But even now, it's 572 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 2: just they always find the way to shoot themselves in 573 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: the foot constantly. If this isn't the breakthrough season for 574 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 2: Justin Herbert and Brandon Stalian company, I don't know what 575 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: will be. You just added another could be top tier receiver. 576 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 2: You have Keenan Allen, you have Mike Williams, you have 577 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 2: Austin Eckler. Offensive line should be one of the better 578 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 2: ones in the league. Definitely, top half, could be top 579 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: ten this year. I think it's entirely possible that Justin 580 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 2: Herbert at twelve to one could be the guy. But 581 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 2: I didn't bet this yet. I was just looking over MVP. 582 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 2: Bets is the one that stood out that and Trevor Lawrence. 583 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: I was undecided on. Do you have an MVP that 584 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:07,239 Speaker 2: stands out? 585 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: I do you know last year I had? I always 586 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: focused it on two last year was Mahomes and Allen 587 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: and that worked out well, especially since I cashed out 588 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: on Josh Allen because I did it on FanDuel. So 589 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: what Josh Allen was going really well there. I think 590 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: it was that loss to the Jets, and when he 591 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: lost to the Jets, were like, no, you can't win. 592 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: Now it's over. 593 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 2: He didn't just lose, I mean it, and I had. 594 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: A bad feeling, and I was like, you know what, 595 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 1: let me take it. It's already a win because it 596 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: was at I think plus three or four at the 597 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: time when I cashed out, and then I took that 598 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: and hedged with Jalen Hurts, which is interesting because Hurts 599 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: then went ahead of Mahomes. People forget this right before 600 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: he got hurt. So this year, I'm going right back 601 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: into that well because I think that it's Mahomes and 602 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: it's Hurts, and you're still getting good numbers on both 603 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: plus seven and plus eight and most books somewhere in 604 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: that range. And I just think the Eagles are that 605 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: class of the NFC. Man. I just don't think anybody 606 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: can hang with him, not the guys in the division, 607 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: not the other teams in that conference. I just not 608 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: a lot of jinks. You guys, I know, Philly guys. 609 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: You know you get a little antsy about when good 610 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: things happen. It doesn't make you feel comfortable. But man, 611 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: oh man, I'm just looking at them again. So those 612 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: are the two guys for me that again just locking in. 613 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: I know Mahomes is boring and chalk, but this is 614 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: the time to get it because I mean, what are 615 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: the chances they don't get back there again? Especially if 616 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: Burrow was dealing with any lingering issues with the calf. 617 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: That's a real problem too. So good stuff. Look follow 618 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: Dave on the Twitter machine please because he does fantastic work. 619 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: Go check out what he does over on odd Shopper 620 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: as well. 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