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Speaker 3: We can't imagine a situation where not having Miles is

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Speaker 4: Here we are, buddy, Here we are back baby, Indianapolis.

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Speaker 4: plan for it. But that is incredible term oh, turnover,

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Speaker 4: tumult all of it. So there is a lot going on.

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Speaker 4: But the life raft that you have and the one

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Speaker 4: thing that can turn it around quicker than anything is

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Speaker 4: the quarterback position and picking second you have an opportunity

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Speaker 4: to do that. I've talked to already a lot of

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Speaker 4: people and people whose opinions I respect greatly about the

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Speaker 4: quarterbacks in this draft. And there are two and then

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Speaker 4: there's everybody else. And now some people will say, you know,

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Speaker 4: quarterback three for me as Tyler Shuck. I've heard that,

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Speaker 4: some people like Dart. Some people, you know, say I'd

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Speaker 4: rather wait a little bit and try a Will Howard

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Speaker 4: or a McCord. I've heard a lot of people talk

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Speaker 4: about McCord. There are some people that are intrigued with

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Speaker 4: the overall skill not skill set, but the talent of

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Speaker 4: a Jalen Milrow, knowing that he has to refine himself

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Speaker 4: as a passer. This is this position is I think

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Speaker 4: everything for the Cleveland Browns franchise, and you're sitting here,

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Speaker 4: and what I feel pretty good about as I sit

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Speaker 4: here right now is from talking to people that everybody

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Speaker 4: thinks that these two quarterbacks in the league can win.

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Speaker 4: What the ceiling of those two is is more of

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Speaker 4: a matter of debate. I think between the two quarterbacks,

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Speaker 4: I think there is a majority of people who believe

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Speaker 4: that cam Ward has that highest ceiling. There are others,

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Speaker 4: though that I have talked to, who think that Shador

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Speaker 4: has the higher ceiling because of his instincts in the

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Speaker 4: way that he plays the quarterback position. But the good

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Speaker 4: news for the Cleveland Browns is they are in a

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Speaker 4: position at the second pick to get one of them.

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Speaker 4: And I really think as I talked to some people,

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Speaker 4: and some are really strong on one and some are

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Speaker 4: really strong on the other. If you're the Browns and

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Speaker 4: you're really strong on one, get to number one. Andrew

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Speaker 4: Berry was actually the de facto GM in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 4: Sashi Brown was the GM. Andrew Berry was the de

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Speaker 4: facto GM. I think his title was the vice president

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Speaker 4: of player Personnel, but he was basically the head scout

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Speaker 4: on the football side. Sashi was the general manager but

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Speaker 4: was not a scout by trade. Yep. And in that draft,

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Speaker 4: the Browns had the second pick, and in that draft

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Speaker 4: they did want a quarterback. And in that draft there

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Speaker 4: was a lot of consensus that there were two quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: that were worthy of being taken up there. But for

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Speaker 4: the Browns it was one and it was Jared Goth

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Speaker 4: And they saw the Rams give up a king's ransom

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Speaker 4: to move up and get Jared Goff, who now has been,

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Speaker 4: you know, to a Super Bowl. He's been the number

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Speaker 4: one seed on another team, very productive career, and the

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Speaker 4: Browns ended up not getting it. So I wonder if

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Speaker 4: that experience, and we're gonna get a chance to talk

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Speaker 4: to him about things like this, has shaped the outlook

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Speaker 4: on that. Many think it's a two quarterback draft, but

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Speaker 4: it could be a one quarterback draft to some teams.

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Speaker 4: And if we are a team that falls into that category,

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Speaker 4: and I'm not saying that we are, I think we

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Speaker 4: actually are. I've heard that we like both quarterbacks, but

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Speaker 4: if we prefer one even five percent more than the other,

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Speaker 4: go in, just go get them, Like, what's you give

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Speaker 4: up a third thirds It's not even that's not even

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Speaker 4: a fifty percent guaranteed good player.

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Speaker 1: No, And and I think what the thing that you

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Speaker 1: have to have is conviction. You have to have conviction

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Speaker 1: and belief in what your guy is. You have a

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Speaker 1: long you have been this is a life raft that

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Speaker 1: you get. We you have a three and fourteen season,

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Speaker 1: and this is the positive that comes of it. But

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Speaker 1: you get you have to get the guy that you

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Speaker 1: want and you are in the position to do so.

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Speaker 1: And by picking it too, if you have to go

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Speaker 1: to one, the give back is not going to be

508
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Speaker 1: extreme to move one spot. We've heard all throughout already

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Speaker 1: this morning that there has not that the Titans have

510
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Speaker 1: not been overwhelmed with offers at number one, So you

511
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Speaker 1: might be able to get it for a minimal cost,

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Speaker 1: of which to me feels like a no brainer. The

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Speaker 1: quarterback conversation that you're having, I just think it's really

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Speaker 1: important because hindsight is obviously perfect, and you think back

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Speaker 1: to a year ago, you and I were sitting over

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Speaker 1: there and we were having these conversations and we were

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Speaker 1: out of the mix, right, But the conversation we're being

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Speaker 1: had here and I'll tell you, right, and I've said

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Speaker 1: this many times the audience. You and I talk about

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Speaker 1: it all the time. There was no consensus after Caleb.

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Speaker 1: It was Caleb, huge drop and then some like Drake,

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Speaker 1: some like Jayden, But there was a mix. There was

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Speaker 1: like JJ, Yeah, JJ and Nix weren't even even in

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Speaker 1: the mix. Wasn't and Hennix wasn't in the middle. No, No,

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Speaker 1: So like you're gonna fall in love with your guy,

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Speaker 1: This is a completely subjective process.

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Speaker 4: It is in the eye of the beholder.

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Speaker 1: And so if you're Andrew Berry and you're Kevin Stefanski,

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Speaker 1: you have been at this probably all red, You've been

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Speaker 1: at this all last offseason. As soon as it became possible,

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Speaker 1: You're picking number two, You're lining up. Okay, let's get

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Speaker 1: some thought on these two guys. Who's worthy, who's not?

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Speaker 1: Who do we like more? But there's plenty of time

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Speaker 1: to get a consensus, and there's plenty of time to

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Speaker 1: make sure you get the guy you want.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I think that you know what you talked

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Speaker 4: about there is you know, there hasn't been it sounds

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Speaker 4: like and this is just early going. These are our

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Speaker 4: early combine vibes that the Titans are not taking a

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Speaker 4: quarterback at one. Yeah, that they are looking for you

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Speaker 4: know what Daniel Jeremiah would call a fairway ball, Just

542
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Speaker 4: to put something down the middle, not tie ourselves into anything,

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Speaker 4: you know that could be more of a long term thing,

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Speaker 4: and just do that.

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Speaker 1: Why glad, because the Titans are me. Grab an iron,

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Speaker 1: Just give me an iron, Just give me a six iron.

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Speaker 1: I just got to put it out there. I'm sick

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Speaker 1: of chasing things in the woods.

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Speaker 4: I just gotta hit. I'm gripping rip it. The Titans

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Speaker 4: are me. That's exactly my game. Just give me an iron.

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Speaker 4: I just got to hit it in the middle. So

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Speaker 4: that raises a lot of possibilities. Now they're looking I

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Speaker 4: think to be overwhelmed, and so far I think they're

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Speaker 4: just whelmed, which, by the way, I don't know why

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Speaker 4: that's not used more. Why can you be overwhelmed? Underwhelmed?

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Speaker 4: But why are you never just you know, I'm whelmed.

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Speaker 4: Is whelmed a word? If you could be overwhelmed and

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Speaker 4: applies that whelmed would be a word. I don't I've

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Speaker 4: never heard it used in a sentence me neither. I'm

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Speaker 4: saying that you're whelmed. I'm perfectly whelmed, of course you do.

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Speaker 6: Why is it underused.

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Speaker 4: What's the definition of well, why have people not why

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Speaker 4: has whelmed not been used? So you got a definition of.

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Speaker 8: It says engulf, submerge, or burry, and they give a

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Speaker 8: sentence a swimmer whelmed in a raging storm.

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Speaker 1: All right, so it's essentially overwhelmed, is redundant? Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you don't need the over You're just whelmed. You're just swhelmed.

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Speaker 1: There's so many people also ask why can't you be

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Speaker 1: just welmed?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're on You're on life felipecifically welm. By the way,

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Speaker 4: this is a camera. Camera changes to Felah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is just for me. Gosh, they set it

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Speaker 6: up just for me. I requested it.

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Speaker 2: I told Gibbs I want to be on the show,

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Speaker 2: and this is this is what I get.

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Speaker 10: Yet, thank you.

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Speaker 4: By the way, just so you know that, were you

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Speaker 4: in Omaha last night? How was the crowd? Oh? It

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Speaker 4: was lovely? Two shows are just one h three shows killed?

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Speaker 4: Tud What year were you born?

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Speaker 5: Fela nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 4: Well, in the year of your first Terrible the comedy

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Speaker 4: Ten Things I Hate about You, The character of Chastity

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Speaker 4: Church asked, I know you can be underwhelmed, and you

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Speaker 4: can be overwhelmed, but why can't you ever be just whelmed? Maybe? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: maybe I love that movie.

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Speaker 1: So overwhelmed is redundant. Underwhelmed should have been the only addition.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like it's but it's not. By definition,

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Speaker 4: means overwhelmed.

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Speaker 1: Okayge you being over Yeah you're overrun But like you,

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Speaker 1: if you're wasn't enough, we gotta we gotta double it.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm already submerged. I'm like morewhelmed? Do I need

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Speaker 4: to be? I think of over underwater, overwhelmed having a

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Speaker 4: lot of connotations. Right, you can be overwhelmed for a

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Speaker 4: variety of To me, underwhelmed just means like I'm not impressed,

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Speaker 4: of course, yeah, but overwhelmed can be like yeah, there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of Yeah should apply to a lot of

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Speaker 4: different I'm overwhelmed with joy, overwhelmed with sadness. Sure, I'm

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Speaker 4: overwhelmed with work. Many connotations, but underwhelmed is basically just

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Speaker 4: like who needs it? So right now, that's where the Titan.

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Speaker 4: Right now, the Titans aren't and what we want to

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Speaker 4: they're underwhelmed. We want to be appropriately whelmed with a quarterback,

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Speaker 4: and we have the opportunity to do that. So I

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Speaker 4: think the question now is you come here, you know

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Speaker 4: what the tape has shown you, you know what you

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Speaker 4: know from your area scouts. Now you sit down in

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Speaker 4: a room with them and you try to drill into

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Speaker 4: who they are as people. I can tell you that

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Speaker 4: we have heard a lot of great things about Shador. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I can tell you we have heard nothing but great

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Speaker 4: things about cam Ward's disposition, his leadership, his accountability, his

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Speaker 4: the dog in him, buddy.

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Speaker 1: These two, these two could not be more different as players.

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Speaker 1: They could not be more different in terms of their

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Speaker 1: roadmap to this point. I mean, you think about playing

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Speaker 1: it incarnate word and then playing at Washington State and

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Speaker 1: then putting your name in the drafts what Cam Moore

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Speaker 1: did last year in the NFL said yeah, no no,

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Speaker 1: Then he goes to plase one year at Miami and

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Speaker 1: he's lights out. But he plays one year at Miami.

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Speaker 1: Now he's going to go number one overall. Maybe that

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Speaker 1: all happened in a year. You think about that roadmap. Conversely,

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Speaker 1: Shad Sanders or two conversely, Shaudour Sanders has always been

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Speaker 1: Dione sanders Son always He's always been a known commodity.

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Speaker 4: He ranks of his children at times.

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Speaker 1: I steal that, actually I steal that often. But his

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Speaker 1: The other thing for Shadur is should also. I mean

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Speaker 1: he really certain like he could have played. He went

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Speaker 1: to Jackson State to play for his dad. I mean

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Speaker 1: that's a that is a massive gamble to do something

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Speaker 1: like that. Now, they they brought Travis k to and

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Speaker 1: so they're both there together and prime and all of that.

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Speaker 1: And then they went to the worst Power five job

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Speaker 1: in America at the time they took the job, the worst.

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Speaker 1: I mean that was that was an outpost. Didn't even

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Speaker 1: where they were to be, what league they were going

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Speaker 1: to be in, didn't know a conference they were going

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Speaker 1: to be in, and didn't know anything. And they went

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Speaker 1: there and it was They were the talk of college

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Speaker 1: football two years ago, and then it fell off a lift,

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Speaker 1: and then this year they won eight games. Yes, that's

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Speaker 1: in with a complete roster turnover and behind his excellent

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Speaker 1: play in Travis Hunter sublime play. So the two pass

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Speaker 1: for these guys, their makeup couldn't be more different. I

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Speaker 1: guess this is the point I would make. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: like one more than the other. They're not similar players,

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Speaker 1: they don't have similar backgrounds, very so there's one you'll

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Speaker 1: like more than the other.

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Speaker 4: That's just the way that it's gonna go. Your GM

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Speaker 4: joins you next, he's en route. There you go.

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Speaker 1: From the Great Gibbie, We're off and running. Here the

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Speaker 1: Hi, Back at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Brown's Daily and joined by your General Manager Andrew Berry.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, a b It's great to see it.

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Speaker 1: As always, the years go quick, don't they, Buddy.

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Speaker 5: They really do. I thought I was just here with

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Speaker 5: you guys last week. That's what it feels like you were.

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Speaker 1: This is the first time that we've all convened, reconvened

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Speaker 1: here in Indy with a first round pick since your

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Speaker 1: first year.

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Speaker 4: Is the general manager, Yeah, it's been that long.

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Speaker 1: I mean we had the Newsome pick, but that one

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Speaker 1: was done virtually, so so we have a one again,

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Speaker 1: how does that change the week for you?

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Speaker 5: It really doesn't change the week that much, to be honest.

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Speaker 3: I've always mentioned that we really go into the college

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Speaker 3: processes if you have an expansion roster, because one, you

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Speaker 3: never know what opportunities are going to present themselves on

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Speaker 3: draft day, and then secondly, you just never know if

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Speaker 3: they're players that become available for trade or free agency

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Speaker 3: later in their career.

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Speaker 5: So for us, the process remains the same.

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Speaker 3: Scouts probably have a little bit more pepping their stuff,

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Speaker 3: a little b more excitement just because we do hold

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Speaker 3: the second overall pick, but the process remains similar.

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Speaker 4: When you think about coming here with the second pick

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Speaker 4: in the draft. Then you talked about, you know, we've

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Speaker 4: looked at it like we're an expansion team. Well, the

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Speaker 4: number one thing an expansion team would want is a quarterback.

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Speaker 4: I would imagine you have an opportunity in this draft

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Speaker 4: to do that. You've gone through some kind of quarterback

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Speaker 4: search drafts. I'd go all the way back to twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 4: which maybe has some parallels. Tennessee had the number one pick,

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Speaker 4: he had number two. Somebody traded up to one. That

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Speaker 4: changed kind of maybe the way that we approached that draft,

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Speaker 4: what have you kind of learned from sixteen, twenty seventeen

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Speaker 4: and even beyond kind of when you're thinking more quarterback

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Speaker 4: centric in a draft.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a big part of it is just

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Speaker 3: make sure you get to know these guys as well

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Speaker 3: as possible, and then based on your evaluation of them

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Speaker 3: as people and players, that's when really the strategic decisions come.

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Speaker 3: And so you know, we're I think a big thing

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Speaker 3: for us is like we're not going to necessarily rush

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Speaker 3: the process. You know, it's a major decision when you're

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Speaker 3: picking to it's a major just in every year, but

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Speaker 3: particularly a major decision when you're picking as high as

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Speaker 3: we are this year. And so we're not gonna rest

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Speaker 3: the process. We're gonna get to know not just the quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: but all the top prospects that would come in consideration

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Speaker 3: that early for us, and then make our strategic decisions.

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Speaker 4: After that point.

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Speaker 1: Aby, when you've been at the game as long as

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Speaker 1: you have, now, you're gonna hits or busses in the draft. Right,

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Speaker 1: It's there's those pure things. It's all subjective. What if

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Speaker 1: any changes to your guys's process have you made over

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Speaker 1: the years. What what have you learned from from the process.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, actually, i'd say one of you know, one of

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Speaker 3: our biggest biggest learnings is we probably over over index

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Speaker 3: on some players who were they were productive in college,

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Speaker 3: but probably didn't have the physical characteristics that would allow

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Speaker 3: their production to scale at the NFL level.

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Speaker 5: It's a little bit like if you think about baseball.

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Speaker 3: Let's say you take that triple A picture who strikes

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Speaker 3: out ten guys per nine innings, really good command, good

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Speaker 3: off speed stuff, but has a ninety one mile an

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Speaker 3: hour fastball with little life. You know, probably not going

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Speaker 3: to scale to the big leagues. And you know, we've

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Speaker 3: had a couple of misses there where we've had good

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Speaker 3: productive players who fit our fit our you know, fit

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Speaker 3: our schemes in terms of skill set. Uh, but you know,

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Speaker 3: whether their physical tools weren't good enough or when they

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Speaker 3: suffered a major injury you got a little bit older

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Speaker 3: in their career and they took a step back from

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Speaker 3: a physical standpoint, they didn't have the compensating factors to

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Speaker 3: maintain their level of production.

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Speaker 4: That's interesting when you look at the top of the

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Speaker 4: draft and you mentioned quarterbacks and also some of the

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Speaker 4: best players. So I want to kind of go through

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Speaker 4: some of the positions and just what's kind of your

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Speaker 4: what are the traits that you're looking for. We'll start

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Speaker 4: with the quarterback out see what are the traits that

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Speaker 4: you're looking for, and how do you as a scout

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Speaker 4: combine that with or the general manager combined that with

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Speaker 4: what a coach is looking for and get kind of

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Speaker 4: that holistic picture.

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Speaker 5: So I'd say this when let me maybe zoom out

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Speaker 5: a little bit, Nate.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you're picking up the top of the draft,

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Speaker 3: the top of the draft, you want to find unique players,

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Speaker 3: and you want to find players that can impact the game,

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Speaker 3: while also realizing that each draft classes different. Like you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not a huge believer in comparing draft class the

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Speaker 3: draft class draft class because those set of players are

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Speaker 3: different and you're not making decisions on them. I think

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Speaker 3: the second thing is usually the top of the draft

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Speaker 3: is young players or age combined with you know, some

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Speaker 3: level of early production and then the physical characteristics that

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Speaker 3: would allow them to get into the whether it's get

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Speaker 3: into the rotation or getting into a starting position early

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Speaker 3: to then get NFL experience. Those are usually the guys

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Speaker 3: that you know that that get picked high with you know,

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Speaker 3: with some exceptions.

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Speaker 5: So those are some of the.

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Speaker 3: Profiles that we would be that we would be looking for.

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Speaker 3: And that's like, let's say, position agnostic. When it comes to,

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Speaker 3: you know, matching a player to scheme, I'd say this,

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Speaker 3: when you're picking high and you're looking for unique players,

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Speaker 3: it really goes the other way around because there are

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Speaker 3: only a handful of players that you are true difference

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Speaker 3: makers in the sport and they really should transcent transcend

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Speaker 3: scheme for your your for your organization.

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Speaker 1: So at the top, it's just when when it comes

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Speaker 1: to the if you give it a mix of that

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Speaker 1: versus physical traits versus fit and obviously a quarterback that's

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Speaker 1: a big part of it. And I'm not trying to

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Speaker 1: get you into that spot necessarily, but what percentage of

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Speaker 1: these traits will make work versus these traits.

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Speaker 4: Work with what we do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think there's a hard and faster There

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Speaker 3: is and and and the reality of it is like,

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Speaker 3: first and foremost, you want to get unique and impactful players.

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Speaker 3: If you have unique and impactful players, you have and

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Speaker 3: you have smart coaches, and it may be a little

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Speaker 3: bit different than they've been accustomed to a solid village.

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Speaker 3: Just you know, I mentioned up at the podium for

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Speaker 3: this example. Like you know Lamar Jackson for instance. I

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Speaker 3: know he didn't necessarily go at the top of the draft,

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Speaker 3: but he had some rare and unique characteristics. And you

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Speaker 3: know when when when Baltimore selected them, you know, they

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Speaker 3: were you know, running a completely different scheme, and when

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Speaker 3: they interserted him to line up, I think there were

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Speaker 3: four and five at the time, they shifted, right, they shifted,

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Speaker 3: They shifted mid season, went on a run, get to

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Speaker 3: the playoff, and then the following year they totally revamped

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Speaker 3: their revamped their offense. And they did it because he

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Speaker 3: was unique and he could impact the game in a

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Speaker 3: rare and special way. And that's one of the many

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Speaker 3: reasons that you know that that John Harbaugh is an

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Speaker 3: excellent coach, and you know our coach is not too

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Speaker 3: shabby either. So you know, we'll we'll prioritize impact and

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Speaker 3: and make the necessary adjustments.

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Speaker 5: And then it comes to play.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a weighted system positionally too, right, So,

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Speaker 1: like you know that special trait at its position that

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Speaker 1: matters most, and you have those kind of charted as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm not gonna sit here and say that

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Speaker 3: positional value doesn't matter. But I always say, like, our

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Speaker 3: first order of business is you'll get difference making players

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Speaker 3: and guys who can guys who can impact the game.

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Speaker 3: I think it can be easy to get maybe a

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Speaker 3: little bit too cute with that stuff, especially you know

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Speaker 3: when you're picking high, because again, there are only so many.

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Speaker 3: There are only so many, you know, you know, blue

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Speaker 3: chip players, the fit schematic thing, that probably becomes more

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Speaker 3: of an issue as you get you know, with players

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Speaker 3: that have more flaws, as you get deeper into the draft,

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Speaker 3: or you know, maybe you're shopping economically in the UFA

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Speaker 3: market or the trade market, then that becomes a little

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Speaker 3: bit more important. But you know, the first order is

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Speaker 3: finding players who can uniquely impact the game.

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Speaker 4: If there was one player in your mind in this

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Speaker 4: draft that you said, we have this heat, this person

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Speaker 4: must be a Cleveland Brown, is that something you guys

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Speaker 4: consider going two to one? Thinking back to twenty sixteen

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Speaker 4: when you were at two and maybe you like two

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Speaker 4: went one.

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Speaker 3: I generally say this, you know, Nathan, I think the

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Speaker 3: other I have never had a draft in my career

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Speaker 3: where it's a one player draft, and I think this

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Speaker 3: year no different than past years. There are several players

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Speaker 3: that will help their organizations when they get picked. You know,

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Speaker 3: certainly there are more than two, and there's certainly more

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Speaker 3: than one. So we'll work through it over the next

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks, but I think we'll have a good

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Speaker 3: pool of players to select from.

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Speaker 4: How what part of the combine is also gathering intel

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Speaker 4: right and trying to read the tea leaves on what

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Speaker 4: is actually happening in front of you, which is a

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Speaker 4: very small line that you need to find out about,

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Speaker 4: and then well, what are the people behind me thinking

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Speaker 4: that maybe want to get in front of me?

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Speaker 3: So intel gathering is important, but honestly, you probably get

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Speaker 3: more with the veteran trade market than you do, you know,

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Speaker 3: than you do maybe the top of the raft. I

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Speaker 3: know there have been some years, you know, the year

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Speaker 3: that Carolina moved up to take to take Bryce Young,

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Speaker 3: and some of these that occurred near the you know,

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Speaker 3: near the near the combat. But I'd say that's probably

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Speaker 3: more the exception rather than the rule. I think oftentimes

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Speaker 3: what gets lost is like it still is very early

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Speaker 3: in the process or not drafting for another another two months,

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Speaker 3: So I'd say there's there's less intel gathering around the

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Speaker 3: draft at this time, and probably more in.

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Speaker 5: Terms of the veteran trade market.

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Speaker 4: What's your favorite veteran trade market combine story? Mm hmm,

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Speaker 4: well that was the last year, right, isn't the Jerry

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Speaker 4: Judy's kind of everge from this?

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Speaker 3: He did, but that probably wouldn't That probably wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: my favorite. It would get comfortable act it was actually

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Speaker 3: it was actually probably to me, the ones that are

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Speaker 3: the most interesting are the ones that you just don't

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Speaker 3: see coming. They're kind of a little bit for lack

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Speaker 3: of red term, out of left field. And that was

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Speaker 3: a little bit Zadarias Smith, you know, for us, and

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Speaker 3: I know, like it's like, wait, well that trade happened

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Speaker 3: in May, Like what are you talking about? How is

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Speaker 3: that a combine story? But that was the first time

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Speaker 3: I got when that like he he may actually be available.

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Speaker 3: And we worked on that deal for for months. At

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Speaker 3: different times it was like a stop, start, Okay, this

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Speaker 3: isn't gonna happen. We don't think this guy been. Oh,

869
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: maybe this will happen. So that's probably the one, because

870
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Speaker 3: you know, candidly, he wasn't necessarily thought of to be

871
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 3: in our planet because he had such a great year,

872
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: and then when he came available and we were able

873
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 3: to work through it with Minnesota, it was something that

874
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 3: that I'll certainly remember.

875
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 4: But we've positioned ourselves right next to them again in

876
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 4: case you want to case you want to strike up

877
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 4: any conversations, we uh, you know, strategically there is it

878
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 4: a reunion too.

879
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are in Fox Hols, in your

880
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: own facilities, in your own towns, and all of a sudden,

881
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: the whole league comes here and you see all these

882
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: people you've intersected with throughout your career.

883
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 3: So I was actually just telling Kevin earlier this morning

884
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: because you know usually Tuesday morning and Wednesday morning that's

885
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: when you do all your league subcommittee meetings. And so

886
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,959
Speaker 3: from nine to noon we had it was a General

887
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: Manager's Advisory Committee, Coaches Subcommittee, and Future Football Committee all

888
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: on the room. And after we finished and Kevin's on

889
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 3: the coaches, I'm on the General manager Advisor can I

890
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 3: was telling I was like, you know what, I was like.

891
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: One thing that I like about this is like, you know,

892
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 3: you get to you get to be in a room

893
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 3: like in a non competitive setting, you rise just like

894
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: how many good people are in the league and how

895
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 3: many people you enjoy spending.

896
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 5: Time with and in respect.

897
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 3: So it is something that's that's that's a nice I

898
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 3: guess side effect of the combine, although you you get

899
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 3: very few of those moments during the week because it's

900
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Speaker 3: a sprint.

901
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: We you know, it's funny, like from a fan perspective,

902
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: you say, it's it's the combine. We're going to figure

903
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: out who we're gonna pick. And you just said to

904
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: the answer to Nathan, we're two months from the draft,

905
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: so for free agency, with free agency to go. So

906
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: from a from a the fan to understand, like the

907
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: process part of it, how far along in the draft

908
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: process are you in terms of getting your opinions on

909
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: the players? And then what work still needs is the

910
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: most important work still to be done.

911
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, So a lot of the film evaluation you know

912
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 3: from your scouts is complete, Your coaches are largely still

913
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: just getting into it, and generally you'll have your your

914
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 3: your players either tiered or call it like with the

915
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 3: preliminary board throughout the months throughout the combine, in the

916
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: months of March and April, you'll do more in terms

917
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: of sequencing, whether it's within a position group or cross

918
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: position groups. But then all the other stuff, you know,

919
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 3: how are they medically, how are they mentally, you know,

920
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 3: anything that you have to dig in in terms of background,

921
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 3: how do they how do they best learn? And then

922
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 3: really answering maybe gaps in terms of their physical characteristics,

923
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 3: that's what the spring is really used for, and ultimately

924
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: seeing how they fit within your organism, your specific organization.

925
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 4: Where do you feel like we are with the cap

926
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 4: And I know it's something that we've been able to

927
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 4: not necessarily manipulate, but it can be malleable. We heard

928
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Speaker 4: there's a big jump going on, but we also in

929
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 4: the last few days, you know, we've seen you know,

930
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 4: Charlie has been released, We've seen you know, wan Thornhill

931
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Speaker 4: or reports of that, and then we've seen obviously to

932
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Speaker 4: in the comments I guess you made before you came

933
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Speaker 4: to us that that perhaps Nick Chubble hit the market.

934
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 4: How are we in a position like that and what

935
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 4: what more can fans expect in terms of retaining some

936
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 4: of our own versus you know, going and being active

937
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Speaker 4: in the free agent market.

938
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that you know, we are in

939
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Speaker 3: a we are in a year where we do want

940
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Speaker 3: to transition a little bit and we're going to take

941
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 3: a little bit of a strategy broach in the sense

942
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Speaker 3: that you know, we will create you know, roster spots

943
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Speaker 3: for role expansion with some of our young guys internally

944
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Speaker 3: that we think are ready to step up, and then

945
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Speaker 3: the eleven for now, which could be more, could be less,

946
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Speaker 3: that you know, we'll bring onto the roster in April.

947
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Speaker 3: And some of doing that is creating the creating the

948
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: opportunities for you know, for a compet competition. But that's

949
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Speaker 3: really regardless of of of any salary cap considerations. You know,

950
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Speaker 3: that's something that, like I said, we manage on a

951
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Speaker 3: multi year time horizon. You know, that's not anything that

952
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 3: will be necessarily restrictive. But you know, anything that we

953
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Speaker 3: do in the veteran market, you know, it's got to

954
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Speaker 3: be consistent with you know, with our goals and and look,

955
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Speaker 3: we've never been shy to to take a shot at

956
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Speaker 3: an opper, take a shot at an opportunity. But even

957
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 3: if you look at like you know, some of the

958
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: some of the veterans that you know we've signed, we've

959
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 3: never actually really been super active at the top of

960
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 3: the you know, at the top of the market. I

961
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Speaker 3: think Jack and doubtless actually like our our two most

962
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Speaker 3: to most you know, expensive additions through that we've probably

963
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Speaker 3: seen more of, like our sizeable financial acquisitions through trade.

964
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Speaker 3: So it's something that we're we're gonna be you know,

965
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Speaker 3: selective about, you know, make sure that we're getting the

966
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Speaker 3: right guy and the right you know, the right strategic fit.

967
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Speaker 3: But you know, a big part of it is is

968
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Speaker 3: making for these eleven traff picks and some of the

969
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 3: guys that that that we think are ready for picker roles.

970
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 4: Moving for so you said earlier, definitively and spend your

971
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 4: position along not trading miles. People call not interested in that?

972
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 4: Are you getting that? On the other end, if you

973
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 4: call about a receiver or they're like, yeah, we're not

974
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 4: trading receivers to you anymore because whatever Yamari trade worked

975
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 4: out well too well for you, Jerry Judy certainly seems

976
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 4: to be working out well. No, that's not hard.

977
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 3: No, I think you know, people know we're always active

978
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 3: in the trade market in terms of any way that

979
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 3: we can improve the team. And I appreciate other teams

980
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 3: and other clubs that have a similar approach aby you.

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Speaker 1: You we talked a little bit about you know, we're

982
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 1: waiting on Joel j Okay is out there as well.

983
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: Obviously there will be a timeline for you all with that.

984
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: Do you know kind of where that is or do

985
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: you have parallel planes that you're kind of planning out

986
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: for in terms of what that would look like.

987
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 3: You always prepare for contingencies, you know, because there hasn't

988
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: been an off season or a year that you go

989
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 3: into here and like know, hey, it's going to be this, this, this,

990
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 3: and this. It's like you live in parallel universes as

991
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: a GM and I don't think that it matters where

992
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: you are in your your your roster's life.

993
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 5: Cycle, but.

994
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's it's the reality of the position.

995
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 3: But that's also what allows you to be flexible and opportunistic.

996
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 4: So you mentioned some transition. Where is this roster in

997
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 4: your mind in terms of being able to really compete

998
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 4: and get back to where we were two years ago,

999
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 4: right go to the playoffs, win eleven games? Is it

1000
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 4: are we Is it a few minor tweaks? Is it

1001
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 4: a few things? Where do you kind of when you

1002
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 4: say transition what do you mean by that?

1003
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's what I talked about earlier in terms of,

1004
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 3: you know, creating some opportunity for some of the younger players.

1005
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 4: As like Isaiah MacGuire stepped up, get you yeah, and

1006
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 4: and Nate.

1007
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 3: I would say that, like, I'm not really necessarily in

1008
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 3: the prediction business in terms of that comes like, I

1009
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 3: want to focus on on having the right process in

1010
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 3: place because ultimately, what what our goal is we want

1011
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 3: to compete year in year out absolute divisions, championships and

1012
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 3: Super Bowls. So we're gonna make the We're gonna make

1013
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 3: the moves that allow us to you know, to do that. Look,

1014
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 3: it's February right now, so we've got what seven months

1015
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 3: till we play, So who knows what the roster's gonna

1016
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 3: look like by the time.

1017
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Speaker 4: That we get there. Abe, great, see anybody? All right?

1018
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: Thanks you great time. And Georgie Berry, general manager, Cleveland Browns.

1019
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: You listen to Clear the Brons Daily on a fifty

1020
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Speaker 9: Live from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. This is

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1023
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Speaker 1: All Right, welcome back, clear the Browns Daily a fifty

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Speaker 1: ESPN Cleveland broadcasting live at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.

1026
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Speaker 1: We just had Andrew berry uh here joining us in

1027
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Speaker 1: on our in our studio. The fellows did a great job.

1028
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Speaker 1: Fellows end ladies did a great job.

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Speaker 4: Everybody.

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Speaker 1: We're also up great group form effort and right out

1031
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Speaker 1: of the gates, you get you get a B at

1032
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Speaker 1: the podium and then you get Abu.

1033
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Speaker 4: Here with us.

1034
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,959
Speaker 1: Look, this is the job for him in this hour

1035
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: of media is to be available and answer questions, but

1036
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Speaker 1: not tip his hand on what he is thinking at

1037
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: number two. But I do think there were some illuminating

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Speaker 1: comments that he had with us, including, you know, some

1039
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Speaker 1: of the things they learned in the process, some of

1040
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: the ways that you asked. We had the question about

1041
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: the salary cap and what that looks like, and we're

1042
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: always in a way that where that's malleable and something

1043
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: we can work with. But at the same time, some

1044
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: of these young guys you brought up, Isaiah Maguire, guys

1045
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: who we have drafted, who have flashed. It's now time

1046
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: for them to elevate as well, and so a little

1047
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: bit of a transitional phase in the roster.

1048
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is interesting because I think that part of

1049
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 4: it is, you know, you are wanting to be a

1050
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 4: team that can compete. We're basically two seasons. I guess

1051
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 4: you would say removed from the playoffs, but really one

1052
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 4: year you're prior you were a playoff football team. You know,

1053
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 4: I hated to see you know, Charlie go love Charlie Hwelett.

1054
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 4: Have the utmost respect for him as a player, as

1055
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Speaker 4: a professional, as a guy just around the organization, a

1056
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 4: great representative of the Cleveland Browns. But you know he

1057
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 4: got hurt last year. Rex Soonahara came in and played well,

1058
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 4: and so you'd say, while we are not salary cap strapped,

1059
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 4: per se, we everywhere you can save is helpful. And

1060
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Speaker 4: so now you're saying, okay, we think Rex soon Ahara,

1061
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 4: maybe he's not one hundred percent of Charlie Ewlett, but

1062
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Speaker 4: for less money, he's close enough. And so that's why

1063
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 4: you see a tough decision like that. Jerome Ford ran

1064
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 4: very well, had one of the highest breakaway percentages in

1065
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 4: the league. It's a loaded running back draft, and now

1066
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 4: we kind of hear. And I remember when he spoke

1067
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Speaker 4: at the podium earlier this offseason, the way he talked

1068
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 4: about Nick Chubb, I kind of raised my eyebro. I

1069
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Speaker 4: was like, maybe Nick Chubb might not be coming back,

1070
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Speaker 4: And now they're saying that he's going to test free agency.

1071
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Speaker 4: That's it from Andrew Berry, which Nick Chubb in many

1072
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 4: ways is one of those kind of heart and soul

1073
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Speaker 4: iconic Cleveland Browns. Know that his period of complete greatness

1074
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 4: was four years cut short obviously by that injury. But

1075
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Speaker 4: you know that says a period of transition. But Jerome

1076
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 4: Ford did well, and I mentioned there are gonna be

1077
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Speaker 4: plenty of running back options as this draft. It would

1078
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Speaker 4: not surprise me at all if this team does take

1079
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 4: a running back in this draft. The you know, jan

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Speaker 4: Thornhill didn't was not able to through injury and a

1081
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 4: variety of factors. As we talked about capture the level

1082
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 4: which he played for the Kansas City Chiefs. You know,

1083
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 4: but Ronnie Hickman has always played well back there. And

1084
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 4: so now you've got a guy an on an undrafted

1085
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 4: free agent contract that you can feel pretty comfortable I

1086
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 4: think starting at free safety. As you're starting free safety

1087
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 4: down the stretch last year when you went to the playoffs,

1088
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 4: in fact, had the pick six in the game against

1089
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 4: the Jets Isaiah Maguire, And you know we're turning Alex right,

1090
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 4: you feel good kind of what you have. Their opposite,

1091
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 4: Miles Garrett, You're gonna get more out of my call.

1092
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 4: You have a big question mark now with this jok situation.

1093
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 4: But on one level, we're not that far away. But

1094
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 4: on another level, we are. And the level in which

1095
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 4: we are is it's the quarterback and that is the

1096
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 4: great panacea. Yeah, if you have that, now we've seen

1097
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 4: Adam Schefter was just reposted this himself and many others did.

1098
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 4: He said, the one thing that he is the most

1099
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 4: sure about, or that he feels the most sure about

1100
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 4: in this draft is that the Browns are taking a

1101
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 4: quarterback at number two. Great fantastic music to my ears.

1102
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 4: Maybe he's been listening to Brown's Daily, but this is

1103
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 4: kind of this is kind of where we are. And

1104
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 4: I tried to follow up on that comment. You know,

1105
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 4: because our fans who are watching this show and who

1106
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 4: are so invested in this football team and the best

1107
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 4: fans of professional sports, in my opinion, they're down right now.

1108
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 4: And I think that, you know, you think from from

1109
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 4: a fan standpoint and from even you know, pick a

1110
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 4: vile standpoint, he wants to win. Transition has maybe a

1111
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 4: negative connotation when you hear that, when you say we're

1112
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 4: going into a transition phase, it sounds like, Okay, we're

1113
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 4: we have to move out of this era into a

1114
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 4: new era. But transitions can also be very very good.

1115
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 4: And really the key to making a transition period good

1116
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 4: or bad is having the quarterback. If you have him,

1117
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 4: it's going to be a great transition period. You don't,

1118
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 4: it's not. And so I think it's interesting. I thought

1119
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 4: that you know, he is looking for, you know, traits,

1120
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 4: unique traits that move the needle. You mentioned that there

1121
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 4: is obviously the natural positional hierarchy. You know, Andrew Berry

1122
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 4: has been through this. He's been through this in twenty sixteen,

1123
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 4: where in my recollection of the situation, the Browns were

1124
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 4: all in on Jared Goff. They picked second Tennessee wasn't

1125
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 4: taking a quarterback, but then somebody jumped them. Twenty seventeen,

1126
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 4: you had Miles number one, but also the Patrick Mahomes rift. Yeah,

1127
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 4: it's also and this is kind of one of those

1128
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 4: great what ifs. The Browns could have drafted Miles, not

1129
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 4: traded out, taken to Sean Watson. Maybe that follows a

1130
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 4: completely different path. Oh yeah, in the same draft. But

1131
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 4: you did you didn't take the quarterback, so you it's

1132
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 4: just it is an intro resting time. I think it

1133
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 4: is a high pressure time. I think it is probably

1134
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 4: a very stressful time because there is you got to

1135
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 4: get this right. You know.

1136
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: It's when you just go through the checklist, I mean,

1137
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: just go to his availability and then the conversation we

1138
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: just had with him and you think about it starts

1139
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: with Miles. So so that's the first ten questions over

1140
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: there was Miles. Then it's how do you view the quarterbacks? Yep, right,

1141
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: so you're picking number two. Then it's your current quarterback

1142
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: at a second achilles. So that's I mean not doctor boos,

1143
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: but it's a year. I mean that's minimum. Right, So

1144
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: that you've got j Okay and the uncertainty there, You've

1145
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: got Joel Buttonio and the uncertainty there, and now Nick

1146
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: Jubb and now Nick Chubb in a different session and

1147
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: the uncertainty there. So and that's a big we're talking yesterday,

1148
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 1: you and I were doing like when you the house

1149
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: you do in a dish, you talk about a.

1150
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 4: Punch list, that's a big punch list. Well, and if

1151
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,240
Speaker 4: you were to think about it, and this isn't necessarily

1152
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 4: the right graphic, but if if the Browns had kind

1153
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,959
Speaker 4: of four pillars, right, it was you know, Nick Chubb

1154
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 4: and Joel Batonio and a great offensive line and run game.

1155
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 4: You know Miles you talk about about Miles Garrett, you

1156
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 4: made the big home runs try at the quarterback position,

1157
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 4: and then you got you know, on defensive guy Joka

1158
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 4: had become a game wrecker. Yeah, And those were in

1159
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 4: some ways kind of some of the cornerstones because what

1160
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 4: Jok was able to do in Jimischwartz defense is a

1161
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 4: big reason why you were the number one defense. So

1162
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 4: is Miles by the way, the quarterback. This is the

1163
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 4: probably the lynchpin of everything. But this and I'm linking

1164
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 4: them together just because we don't know the outcomes here,

1165
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 4: but Joel Batonio and Nick Chubb and what they were

1166
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 4: able to do in that wide zone scheme. And of

1167
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 4: course there's White Teller, and there's Ethan Posick, and there's

1168
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 4: Jack Conklin, and it's a full line. But in terms

1169
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 4: of prior to the Nick Chubb injury, two things that

1170
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 4: you could count on from the Cleveland Browns were Joel

1171
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 4: Patonio playing at a Pro Bowl, all pro level and

1172
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 4: Nick Chubb playing at a Pro Bowl all pro level.

1173
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 4: And you got to the point now where you could

1174
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 4: count on j Okay. You did it once, but it

1175
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 4: was well on his way again to doing something. What

1176
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 4: he did in twenty twenty three had only been done

1177
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 4: by three off ball linebackers since twenty ten, and they

1178
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 4: were Luke, Keigley, Levante David and him. And he was

1179
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 4: on pace to do it a second time through eight

1180
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 4: games last year. So you're talking about another All Pro

1181
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 4: Pro bowler that you can count yes, yes, pedlers. So

1182
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 4: three of those are in huge question, Mark jok Betonio

1183
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 4: and Nick Chubb. As will they play for the Browns? Miles,

1184
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 4: I think will get worked out. I'm not worried about that.

1185
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 4: And then you have this one that really is the

1186
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 4: straw that stirs the entire drink, which is the quarterback position.

1187
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 4: And you've been thrown a life raft, as we've said

1188
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 4: over and over here, with the opportunity at pick two

1189
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 4: to get one and I think that you know, you

1190
00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 4: need to really go through and understand internally, where do

1191
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 4: we have these two do we really think we can

1192
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 4: win both? Because I thought you asked a very great

1193
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 4: question and we were kind of both trying to get

1194
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,439
Speaker 4: at it, but with that position in particular, and I asked,

1195
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 4: how involved would a coach be because is it scheme?

1196
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 4: Is it talent? Now you're you're saying at the top

1197
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 4: of the draft it shouldn't be. I think that there's

1198
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 4: a pretty good consensus around everybody that maybe Cam is

1199
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 4: a is a more talented ball of clay per se,

1200
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 4: but that Shaudor is a more instinctive, best pure passer

1201
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 4: in this draft.

1202
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess what you and I were both trying

1203
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: to get out there is if the ceiling is higher

1204
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: consensus on Cam, and we don't know how our guys

1205
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: think about it, but if if the ceiling is higher

1206
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: on Cam, the physical attributes all of those things are higher.

1207
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: But if Shaudure is more of a plug and play

1208
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: fit for what Kevin wants to do and as those traits,

1209
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: how do you weigh those things? And he answered it

1210
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: in using the Lamar parallel where Lamar was and I

1211
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: think I remember you and talk about it at the time,

1212
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: like one of the most like John Harbaugh was dead

1213
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: man walking. He didn't have even have a contract for

1214
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: the next year, and they flipped and then they flipped

1215
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: big and went all in with Lamar. But he would

1216
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: he was at the end of his contract and they

1217
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: they saw that what they had something special in Lamar

1218
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: in a way that you go and so he used

1219
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: that as an example of talent.

1220
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 4: Trump's all.

1221
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: So I suppose if you can glean anything from that,

1222
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: it would be that's how they would view number two.

1223
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 4: And I think that that is a fair way to

1224
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 4: view it. What's incredible about this and kind of in

1225
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 4: the retrospect in you know, history is twenty twenty and things,

1226
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 4: people I think were of the notion that Lamar didn't

1227
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 4: really throw the ball. Well, I know college remember, well, yeah,

1228
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 4: he threw fifty seven touchdown passes in his last two

1229
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 4: years there at Louisville. He was the Heisman Trophy winner

1230
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 4: as oh yeah, what a soft sophomore. Yeah yeah, and

1231
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 4: then came in third because they don't like to give

1232
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 4: it back to back. Meanwhile, he read a better year.

1233
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 4: He ran for thirty nine touchdowns and threw for fifty

1234
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 4: seven in his final two seasons. I mean, think about

1235
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 4: those numbers. That's my math, what I say, fifty seven

1236
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 4: and thirty nine. Yeah, that's ninety six touchdowns. Yeah, yeah,

1237
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 4: that he was responsible for. So the notion that like

1238
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 4: when he came out, what's funny? And I was gonna

1239
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 4: ask him, but then it really doesn't matter. But into

1240
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 4: if Lamar Jackson the prospect the same as he was

1241
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 4: then was coming out this draft, he wouldn't get out

1242
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 4: of the top five. There's just because the positions so

1243
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 4: which is totally different. But that was twenty eighteen, not

1244
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:31,919
Speaker 4: that long ago.

1245
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: No, you do, and justifiably so real quick you listen

1246
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: wkn R eight fifty ESPN Cleveland, a good Karma brand station,

1247
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: and then you go back to what you were talking

1248
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: about with Lamar, And I think people forget that first

1249
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: year Lamar comes in, they really don't even throw the ball. No,

1250
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: he started seven games and threw one hundred and seventy passes.

1251
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: He appeared in more than that, but we're talking there

1252
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: were games where they throw it ten to fifteen it

1253
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: was a single wing single and then you remember in.

1254
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 4: The playoffs because they ended up going to the playoffs.

1255
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 4: They get beat by the Chargers, who played the big dime.

1256
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 4: They had Derwin James down there that played three safeties.

1257
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 4: You're like, oh, everybody's got the book out of them.

1258
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 4: And then he comes out the next year and they

1259
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 4: changed them things around and he leads the league with

1260
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 4: thirty six passing touchdowns, including I want to say in

1261
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 4: the season opener that year, I think he had he

1262
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 4: threw like five. I remember that from fantasy purposes against

1263
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 4: the Miami Yes, against the Miami Dolphins. They had six

1264
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,439
Speaker 4: hundred and forty three yards of offense in that game.

1265
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 4: He threw for five touchdowns and I want to say,

1266
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 4: didn't throw them seventeen of twenty for three hundred and

1267
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 4: twenty four yards and five touchdowns, and he ran for

1268
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 4: six yards in the game. They're like, Okay, you want

1269
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 4: to see us throw the ball, We'll show you how

1270
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 4: we can throw the ball. So the notion that they

1271
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 4: evolved with him, and now they've evolved even more fully

1272
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 4: with Monk in there. And you know, now he throws

1273
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 4: for four thousand yards, forty one touchdowns, four picks, runs

1274
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 4: for nine hundred yards. Not even the MVP because they've

1275
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 4: given it to him twice, much like he didn't get

1276
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 4: the Heisman the second time. Yeah, but he's a different

1277
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 4: even kind of prospect. Like then there's no way he

1278
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 4: goes thirty second in this year. And that's why when

1279
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 4: people are talking about mill Roe is like Milroe is

1280
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 4: not like Lamarg's not like Lamar Jackson. No, he's not

1281
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 4: even like Jalen Hurts. No, who went to quarterback finishing

1282
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 4: school with Naan. He's on the same vicinity of Justin

1283
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 4: Fields or No, not in that league. No, not at all.

1284
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 4: It's just it is interesting right there. You you have

1285
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 4: the talent, but I do think that's you ultimately if

1286
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 4: you believe in your coaches, right Yeah, And I think

1287
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 4: this is good to hear him say that as you

1288
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 4: and I talk about because we've both have been Like,

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Speaker 4: it's easier right now to visualize Schadore running our offense,

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Speaker 4: no doubt, or running Kyle's offense, or running Kevin O'Connell's

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Speaker 4: off Pat Schuber was his coordinator. Like and by the way,

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Speaker 4: anybody who thinks that he can't make all the Roses

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Speaker 4: out of their out of their cords. But if you

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Speaker 4: do think that that that Cam is the bigger ball

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Speaker 4: of Clay and you've got Kevin Stefanski and you've got

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Speaker 4: Tommy Rees and Bill Musgrave. If that's how you evaluate it,

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Speaker 4: then get them, then go get him, Then get him.

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Speaker 4: But I think I love to see that. Adam Scheffer

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Speaker 4: says their topic is going to be a quarterback. And

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Speaker 4: here's the thing to me, and he didn't really You're

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Speaker 4: not gonna tip your hand obviously, but didn't really even

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Speaker 4: address it. He kind of said, there isn't a one

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Speaker 4: player draft. Well, there are one player drafts. There are

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Speaker 4: Peyton Manning. Peyman is one player, Andrew Luck, Andrew Luck.

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Speaker 4: Even I would say the Trevor Lawrence draft, that was

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Speaker 4: a one player draft. Player draft, yeah, yeah. And the

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Speaker 4: ironic thing is many people would have said last year

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Speaker 4: that it's Caleb Williams is the one player drafts absolutely,

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Speaker 4: and they would have been, you know, obviously wrong. And

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Speaker 4: so I appreciate both sides of that. But if it's

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Speaker 4: one player for you at the most important position, then

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Speaker 4: you make sure you do whatever you have to do

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Speaker 4: to make sure you get that player. You go get

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. Ryan Wilson, CBS Sports NFL Draft analysts joining

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Speaker 1: us here. We just had our general manager Andrew Berry.

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Speaker 1: He was kind of center stage here for an hour

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Speaker 1: with the availability, and then here with us on the show. Ryan,

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Speaker 1: let's just start big picture with this draft in terms

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Speaker 1: of the talent that's in it. Andrews said, I need elite.

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Speaker 1: We're looking for elite difference makers. How many of those

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Speaker 1: are there?

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Speaker 7: And number two they're a ton. You know, Travis Hunter

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Speaker 7: is probably the best player in this draft class that's

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Speaker 7: not a quarterback. He's the best player. Teams need quarterbacks.

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Speaker 7: Cleveland considered to be one of those teams. Abuel Carter,

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Speaker 7: I'm sure you guys have talked a ton about him

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Speaker 7: as a possibility at number two, especially if Miles Scarett

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Speaker 7: ends up not being in Cleveland next year. Officsive tackle

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Speaker 7: is not quite as deep, especially at the top, but

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Speaker 7: it's defense frequently edge rush, defensive line. There're gonna be

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Speaker 7: some quarterbacks in this class if you need a running back,

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Speaker 7: and we'll see what happens with Nick Chubb and the

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Speaker 7: depth there. You can get guys all the way through

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Speaker 7: Day three, so everything what quarterback is pretty much on

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Speaker 7: the table. And I know, obviously the Browns have some

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Speaker 7: things to figure out at too and what they want

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Speaker 7: to do there. I feel like a lot of these

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Speaker 7: teams wish they could get a time machine go back

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Speaker 7: to last year's draft class for the quarterbacks. But you

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Speaker 7: know it's gonna be Camp Sanders and they're going to

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Speaker 7: figure out how how high those guys end up going.

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Speaker 4: When you look at Cam Ordon Shador Sanders, what do

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Speaker 4: you like about Cam? What do you like about Shador?

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Speaker 10: So?

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Speaker 6: Cam Ward is he's Mike QB one.

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Speaker 7: He's a little bit bigger, he's a little bit faster,

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Speaker 7: a little bit more athletic, a little bigger arms than Shador.

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Speaker 7: So literally every box you check, and he's gotten better

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Speaker 7: each and every year. Played it in Cornet, word, went

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Speaker 7: to Washington State, made improvements there, and when you talk

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Speaker 7: to scouts of the summer coming out of Washington State,

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Speaker 7: he was probably a Day three guy and he made

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Speaker 7: a huge leap this year. Now, the lack of depth

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Speaker 7: of the quarterback position probably helped push him up, but

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Speaker 7: he dragged that Miami team to a lot of wins,

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Speaker 7: which otherwise they would not have had the concern with

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Speaker 7: both Cam and Shadoor is the same concern I had

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Speaker 7: with Caleb last year. And now they play a lot

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Speaker 7: of hero ball because they sort of have to up

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Speaker 7: to the line of Colorado was a mess, and when

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Speaker 7: you start playing outside of structure, it's fun for college,

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Speaker 7: it doesn't really translate to the NFL. It took Caleb

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Speaker 7: what fell like two and a half months to figure

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Speaker 7: that out, and finally things started to come together for

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Speaker 7: him towards the end of his rookie season. Shador I

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Speaker 7: like him physically, not necessarily as a player with physically

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Speaker 7: to Joe Burrow. When Joe Burrow transfer from Ohio State

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Speaker 7: to LSU, and I remember talking Joe Burrow just over

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Speaker 7: here four or five years ago when he came out,

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Speaker 7: and I said, when did it finally click for you

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Speaker 7: to do the things you were able to do your

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Speaker 7: final ye at LSU? And he said, mentally I could

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Speaker 7: always do those things. Physically, my body had to grow

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Speaker 7: into what I wanted to do. We'll see if shador

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Speaker 7: is going to do that. But I think physically he's

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Speaker 7: not the athlete that Cam is. He doesn't have the

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Speaker 7: arm that Cam does. And then you're sort of dealing

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Speaker 7: with the margins when you're a team trying to figure

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Speaker 7: out how this quarterback fits because he can't make the

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Speaker 7: throws that Cam can make, or Patrick Mahomes or Josh

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Speaker 7: Allen or whomever. So you got to tail the offense

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Speaker 7: to sort of exploit what Shador does well.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if there's a tougher person in college

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Speaker 7: football the Shador Sanders. And I talked to a ton

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Speaker 7: of his teammates during the All Star Games and they said,

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Speaker 7: to a person, every time he got hit in the mouth,

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Speaker 7: he didn't point fingers, He got back up, got in

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Speaker 7: the huddle, call to play, and went on to make

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Speaker 7: the next play. And I appreciate that about him, but

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Speaker 7: I do wonder and part of me is a little

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Speaker 7: concerned that all the to Sanders hype around him is

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Speaker 7: gonna affect how we view him, at least media wise,

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Speaker 7: and sometimes that seeps into how the teams when they

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Speaker 7: when they interact with these players, how they end up

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Speaker 7: judging these guys ultimately, when you.

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Speaker 1: Judge quarterbacks and and because you hit on it, these

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Speaker 1: circumstances are so different. One of the things, Nathan, when

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Speaker 1: you did the deep dive on Shadoor was like you

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Speaker 1: never saw a single time when he pointed like or

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Speaker 1: went like this on the protection.

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Speaker 4: The protection was awful. It was awful. It's no run game.

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Speaker 4: I mean, none didn't even attempt to run it.

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Speaker 1: It was like a kid playing the video game, honestly, like,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna throw it fifty times and we'll throw it

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Speaker 1: to travel a lot, and that's why it's gonna go.

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Speaker 1: What what are you looking for as you're analyzing quarterbacks specifically?

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Speaker 1: How do you weigh like how they are when it

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Speaker 1: when it all goes well versus off schedule? How do

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Speaker 1: you weigh all of that when you're because look, there

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Speaker 1: isn't We were here last year. We talked to a

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Speaker 1: bunch of people. I can't remember if we had you

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Speaker 1: on or not. We talked a bunch of scouts. It

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Speaker 1: felt it was like Caleb and then a big drop

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Speaker 1: for Jaden and Drake and then who knows after that.

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Speaker 1: So and then all of a sudden, now we get

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Speaker 1: there and it's like, well they're all maybe potentially maybe

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Speaker 1: Nick Pennix too. So how do you kind of try

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Speaker 1: to find your truth at quarterback?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Well I'm smiling because what I haven't covered the drafts

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Speaker 7: in twenty nineteen for CBS, and when I come away

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Speaker 7: with is we don't know, We don't know.

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Speaker 6: To your point about Jade, Daniels and even bow Knicks.

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Speaker 7: Hey, guess what guys fit matters And if you go

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01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 7: to a situation, Washington situation twelve months ago was a

1446
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 7: disaster and they were starting to make the changes, but

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Speaker 7: they nailed the draft even after Jade Daniels. Sean Payton,

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Speaker 7: it turns out, and knows what he's doing with the

1449
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 7: young quarterbacks and Bo Nix was the exact right player

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Speaker 7: that they need. Is Bo Nick Jaye and Daniels No,

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01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 7: but he does a lot of what Sean wants him

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01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 7: to do. And I think that's incredibly important because you're

1453
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 7: gonna have a ton of failure as a quarterback as

1454
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 7: a rookie in the NFL, and it's a matter of

1455
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 7: how you deal with that mentally. We were talking to

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Speaker 7: Brian callahand earlier today, the second year coach for the Titans,

1457
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 7: and he talked about how he was in Cincinnati when

1458
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 7: the draft of Joe Burrow, how mentally tough you have

1459
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 7: to be to play that position because you guys see it.

1460
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 7: You've gone through a school quarterbacks because of injury and otherwise,

1461
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Speaker 7: and you can tell one of guy's body language isn't

1462
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Speaker 7: where it needs to be and to your point, Nathan

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01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 7: about Shador ever seen him point? I think his name

1464
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 7: was Sam Johnson. We would't worry about any of the

1465
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 7: other stuff that we talk about, and I get why

1466
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 7: we talk about it, but I think more than the

1467
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Speaker 7: physical stuff. And I don't want to bag on this

1468
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 7: young man, but I bring him up as an example.

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Speaker 7: You Bill will Lewis in a lab for quarterbacks, but

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Speaker 7: you could see the frustration and sometimes the body language

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01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 7: work against him last year, especially when he ended up

1472
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Speaker 7: getting benched. And that's what you have to figure out.

1473
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Speaker 7: And the teams haven't figured it out yet. I certainly

1474
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 7: haven't figured out. And that's the toughest part.

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Speaker 4: When you are evaluating quarterbacks because I would in my

1476
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 4: assessment of them, I think Cam has more talent, more

1477
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Speaker 4: upside for what we ask a quarterback to do and

1478
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 4: what I would say McVay or Shannan or even a

1479
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Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell. I like Schador's decision making, his accuracy, his

1480
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Speaker 4: toughness stand in the pocket that if it's in structure

1481
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:45,600
Speaker 4: and you can maybe get some of those habits that

1482
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 4: he developed because he was behind such a bad offensive

1483
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 4: line out of him that you have somebody who can

1484
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 4: be a real kind of a sniper or assassin in

1485
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 4: that style of an offense. So I think both of

1486
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 4: them have an opportunity to win when you look, what

1487
01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 4: are the traits that you look for the most, because

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01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 4: you know when you talked about the box with Kim,

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Speaker 4: those were all physical, but as we know, the game

1490
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 4: is not played at that position physically alone. You have

1491
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 4: to have not only the ability to decipher and process

1492
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 4: information quickly nowhere to go with the ball, but then

1493
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 4: the ability to deliver it on time, accurately and have

1494
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 4: that kind of anticipation, that almost instinct that is not

1495
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 4: really a tangible thing, but it becomes tangible on tape.

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01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 7: Absolutely, And I think mentally physical tools have to be there.

1497
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 7: But after that and one a maybe even one comma

1498
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 7: is the mental toughness to overcome. It's sort of like

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Speaker 7: what we talk about cornerbacks, where you have to have

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Speaker 7: a short term memory. You can't keep making the same

1501
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 7: mistake over again, but you have to learn from these

1502
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 7: mistakes quickly. The processing is incredibly important. And the thing

1503
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 7: with Cam that I love and almost to a fault

1504
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 7: again Will levis for net. It comes to turn to

1505
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 7: mind when you think about Will He's always tight and

1506
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:48,759
Speaker 7: moving around sort of jenerate.

1507
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 4: Kim is the exact ops nonchalant.

1508
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 6: He is as fair as they come. It's almost I wrote.

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01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 4: That in my notes a billion like nonchalant, just nonchalant, Like.

1510
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 7: He's sitting in a rock and chair playing Madden Yeah,

1511
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 7: and you're like, all right, speed it up up. But

1512
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 7: he always seems to get the ball out on time.

1513
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 7: His pocket subtle pocket movement is pretty good, like he

1514
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 7: has a sense for players around him. He still has

1515
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 7: to get the ball on time more, but the development

1516
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 7: I saw over the course of his career is encouraging.

1517
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 7: It feels like in the interviews that I've seen, we

1518
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 7: haven't talked to him yet, he's not gonna take anything

1519
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 7: from any one.

1520
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 6: No, and he's uh talked to people to watch.

1521
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 7: The Saint and at Miami both said he's an incredible, quiet,

1522
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 7: confidence leader. So he's not a raw rock guy and

1523
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 7: he doesn't necessarily have to be, but all the things

1524
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:28,799
Speaker 7: point to him being able to have success.

1525
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 4: How do you evaluate a guy? Because what struck me

1526
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 4: with Cam was unbelievable talented, can throw it literally to

1527
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 4: anywhere on the field from basically any base, any arm, angle,

1528
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 4: exactly and will sometimes put himself in strange bases for

1529
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 4: really no reason. It's just kind of nonchalant thing. You

1530
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 4: could in my mind, I wrote one of the things

1531
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 4: I wrote down, you could tell he's a fan of

1532
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 4: Mahomes and like Lamar Jackson because he does a lot

1533
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 4: of things and mannerism wise, right, that are similar to them.

1534
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 4: But one thing that you know drives NFL coaches crazy,

1535
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 4: and we've certainly dealt with it at times with Browns

1536
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 4: when you won't take the layups like in the NFL,

1537
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 4: it is so hard to even scheme up somebody open

1538
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 4: for seven yards that when it's there, you have to

1539
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 4: take it and cam part of the hero ball, which

1540
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 4: to me was a little bit different than you do.

1541
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 4: Or was that sometimes he'd have perfectly good protection, he'd

1542
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 4: have somebody open for twelve yards, he'd look at and

1543
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 4: be like, that kind of bores me. I'm gonna drift

1544
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna throw a thirty or forty yarder? Is

1545
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 4: that something that? How does? How do you kind of

1546
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 4: evaluate that evolution into the NFL, because it's gonna have

1547
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,640
Speaker 4: to be something that's coached out of him and that

1548
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 4: he's willing to at times you and now because some

1549
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 4: coaches may say, you know what, I'll live with you

1550
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 4: missing a couple of these cause you're gonna hit me,

1551
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 4: I wrote to he's a chunk play machine. You're gonna

1552
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 4: hit thirty forty here and that's gonna make up for it.

1553
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 7: And the Cow game comes to mind, where he had

1554
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 7: some throws and you thought he'd never played football before,

1555
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 7: some of the things he was trying to do with

1556
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 7: the football and thrown across his body thirty forty yards.

1557
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 4: One was an interception, Yeah, a pick six. Like early

1558
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 4: in that one, you're like, wait a second.

1559
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, we watching the same game on the same planet.

1560
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 7: But I think that's where someone like Keviss Fancy comes

1561
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 7: in and it's funny as an outside national media person.

1562
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 7: And you forget the Browns won eleven games in twenty

1563
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 7: twenty three, didn't they. That's right, forgotten was the coach

1564
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 7: of the Year for the second time. I think he's

1565
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 7: so underrated because people just want to focus on the

1566
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 7: negative and I understand all the storylines around that, but

1567
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 7: his ability to get the most out of that offense

1568
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 7: under sometimes trying circumstances. And my buddy Rix Bielman he

1569
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 7: used to work with and suddenly quit the podcast to

1570
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 7: go take a job with the Jets.

1571
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 4: Whatever.

1572
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:19,640
Speaker 6: Uh.

1573
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,759
Speaker 7: He worked with Kevin in Minnesota and he speaks incredibly

1574
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 7: highly of I was talking to my buddy last night

1575
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 7: he was in the league and said he's one of

1576
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 7: the best offensive mines in the game. And I think

1577
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 7: you can't undersell that, because again, fit matters. Cliff Kingsberry

1578
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 7: worked with Jayden last year and we saw the says

1579
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 7: they had Sean Payton and Bonnix, like I mentioned, and

1580
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 7: I think if you get a quarterback in there, young

1581
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 7: quarterback who's interested and focused like someone that Cam seems

1582
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 7: to be, that feels like a pretty good starting point.

1583
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and not to mention Kevin, but Tommy Reese, who

1584
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 4: was the OC the time. We clearly got more out

1585
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 4: of Jaln Milrow two years ago at Alabama than they

1586
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 4: were able to once he left.

1587
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, with Kaylen de Boor, who did what he did

1588
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 7: with with Michael Pinks junior, and you were hoping to

1589
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 7: see more from Jalen Miller. But that's I don't think

1590
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 7: that's the number two over all conversations, so we don't

1591
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 7: have to have that. But but I think I sometimes

1592
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 7: lose sight of the fact, me personally of how important

1593
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 7: you can put players of teams. But the infrastructure has

1594
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 7: to be in place. And the Browns have some offensive

1595
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 7: line issues to sort out, some wide receiver issues to

1596
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 7: sort out. But if you have a good base, and

1597
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,680
Speaker 7: by that I mean a coach, you can get the

1598
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 7: most out of his players, especially at quarterback. And you

1599
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 7: have someone like Cam who seems to be bought in

1600
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 7: and more confidence than you have to worry about. That

1601
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 7: seems like a good place to start if you If

1602
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 7: that's you're gonna do a number two talking to.

1603
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: Ryan Wilson, CBS Sports NFL draft analysts, get you out

1604
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 1: of here on this one, because Nathan and I are

1605
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 1: proponent for two and more at quarterback.

1606
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 4: Take one to two, take one of the third round. Two.

1607
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 1: Is there a guy, a mid round guy that you

1608
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 1: like that jumps out at quarterback?

1609
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:45,480
Speaker 6: And I love that philosophy.

1610
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 7: By the way, we made fun of us Washington when

1611
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 7: they did it with Kirk Cousins at RGI three.

1612
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 4: Just finally, it's Benny at bats as possible.

1613
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 7: Absolutely, because you don't have a say if you have

1614
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 7: twenty one Hall of Famers and no quarterback. You're not

1615
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 7: winning a playoff games, so absolutely put you on.

1616
01:16:56,680 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 4: The payroll this for nothing else. You don't have a quarterback,

1617
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 4: what are you doing? A year ago?

1618
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 7: I was a big Spencer Rattler fan, and this year

1619
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 7: Col mcchord's my guy, and I think he's probably Day two,

1620
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 7: Day three fringe right now. But he had such a

1621
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 7: fantastic season and you guys saw him. Yeah, you know

1622
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,560
Speaker 7: the evolution this young man made. I mean personally, I

1623
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 7: think it's the big fish to little pond transformation that

1624
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 7: allowed him. And we talked to him in the Shrine

1625
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 7: Bowl and he said, I had a lot more confidence.

1626
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 7: I was song with anticipation. He had a fantastic season

1627
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 7: and that final game against cam if you didn't know

1628
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 7: who was who, you wouldn't know who the best quarterback

1629
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 7: was because they went toe to toe.

1630
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 4: So I think he could be.

1631
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 6: A Day two slash Day three option. I think he's

1632
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 6: gonna have.

1633
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 4: A good week Eli. But not because he knew I

1634
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:41,560
Speaker 4: was going to do this. He was being honest. He

1635
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 4: was getting you out here. But I say, no one more. Yeah,

1636
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 4: we are of the belief that this is a league

1637
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 4: in which you must score the football. You want to

1638
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 4: be competitive. You look at the teams went to the playoffs,

1639
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 4: top top scoring teams all went to the playoffs last year.

1640
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,480
Speaker 4: So we're in our minds, we're all on board. Quarterback.

1641
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 4: Get a quarterback early. Let's go pick thirty three, run

1642
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 4: the first pick a second round. This is a valuable pick.

1643
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 4: Who are some of your favorite weapons? And I'm going

1644
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 4: to use that word now. I used to be more

1645
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 4: it has to be a receiver, but now with the

1646
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 4: way tight ends can be weapons, and even the way

1647
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 4: we're seeing, you know, running backs come up. And I

1648
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 4: reminded that we did get Nick Chubb around that spot

1649
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 4: back in twenty eighteen. Who would be some of your

1650
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 4: favorite weapons that could be available to the Cleveland Browns

1651
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 4: at pick thirty three?

1652
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, O Marion Hampton the UNC running back.

1653
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 4: I love home run hitter.

1654
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 7: Going to be a round two wish guy feels like

1655
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,799
Speaker 7: I don't know if he'll be here. But Matthew Golden,

1656
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 7: the wide receiver out of Texas, Texas, he had a

1657
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 7: fantastic season Houston transfer.

1658
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 4: He's a track guy.

1659
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 6: We'll see if he goes a little bit higher than that.

1660
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:38,919
Speaker 7: But Jordan Adison might com for him and Jordan Addison's

1661
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,719
Speaker 7: he's pretty successful tight end wise, I like Gunner Helm

1662
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 7: out of Texas. I don't know if it's a little

1663
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 7: too rich. Mason Taylor at LSU, what about I? When

1664
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 7: I watched Cam I fell in love with that tight end.

1665
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 7: Elijah Royo is also too early for him. He's going

1666
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 7: to be a Day two guy, and teams like him

1667
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 7: a little bit more than I do. But I think

1668
01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 7: he's a Day two guy athletic. He looks the part

1669
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 7: a little bit like the in Djoku thing coming out.

1670
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 4: So about Gibe's guy from Gibe went to Bowling Green.

1671
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 6: Harrold Fan and Jr.

1672
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 7: I love first of all, we talk about the smaller

1673
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 7: school guys playing in bigger competition. He crushed text A

1674
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 7: and m and Penn State and.

1675
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 4: Ran away from him.

1676
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:18,600
Speaker 7: And the greatest thing about Harrold Fan and Jr. And

1677
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 7: I don't know what Jason feels about this is it

1678
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:22,560
Speaker 7: looks like he doesn't have knees. He runs weird, but

1679
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 7: he's fast. It's the weirdest thing like.

1680
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 4: He kind of moves like Gates a little bit. He

1681
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 4: has a weird way where it's like a weird It

1682
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 4: doesn't even look like he's moving, but he's but he's moving.

1683
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 7: It's like a Fred Flintstone run feeder movie. But he

1684
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 7: somehow getting No. He's a he's a playmaker too. I

1685
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 7: think he's a Day two guy and we'll see how

1686
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 7: he tests because he's not an inline guy. So you're

1687
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 7: gonna move him around. And that's okay if you understand that.

1688
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 7: But absolutely, I think Kevin Stefanski probably figure that out.

1689
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 4: Ryan, Thank you so much for the for the conversation.

1690
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:52,040
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01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 4: A lot of teams have spoken all ready.

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01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 1: One of the one of the kind of things I

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01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:05,560
Speaker 1: know that there was something in here with the Falcons

1716
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 1: in terms of cousins that.

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01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 4: They're saying they're keeping them. He's not going anywhere anywhere,

1718
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 4: anytime soon, anytime soon. What percentage of things said at

1719
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 4: the combine is believable, very little, very little. I do

1720
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 4: like things like when Field Yates says, in response to

1721
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 4: the Adam Schefter quote, we said earlier that all future

1722
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 4: mocks will have the Browns saying quarterback to That's what

1723
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 4: we were trying to tell you, Fields. Why does it

1724
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:32,560
Speaker 4: take him? Why could we say Thursday perfect saying he

1725
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 4: has been on our bad list.

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01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: That's all we've been saying, is it that's always been saying,

1727
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 1: is quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback.

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01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 10: This was from Atlanta GM Terry Fonto. The plan now

1729
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 10: is to pay her Cousins his upcoming bonus and move

1730
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 10: forward with him on the team.

1731
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 4: Their hope.

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01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 10: Their head coach then addresses and said, Michael Pennix juniors

1733
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 10: are starting quarterback, so.

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01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 1: They want they want cousin mentor here's go, Well last year,

1735
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 1: here's the thing, guys, and this is sometimes I think

1736
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: people don't look at things maybe the right way.

1737
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 4: With Kirk Cousins. Now, he could say, hey, you know,

1738
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 4: I don't want to do this, but this is a

1739
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 4: team that is a playoff team. Very few quarterbacks, as

1740
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 4: we all know, very few quarterbacks actually play the full

1741
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 4: season without missing any time. It just doesn't happen often.

1742
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 4: In Penis's a guy with an injury history. That's one

1743
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 4: of the reasons that he was as old as he

1744
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 4: was going into the draft, that he had bounced around injuries. Yeah. Sure,

1745
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:34,600
Speaker 4: So if you're the Atlanta Falcons, Okay, here's what you

1746
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 4: can do. Your best case scenario this year, which would

1747
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 4: be a post June first designation is that you pay

1748
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 4: forty million dollars to kirk Cousins this year. Yep, for

1749
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 4: him not to be on your team. That's right, that's right.

1750
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 4: That's your best case scenario. And by the way, there

1751
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 4: are no cap savings involved in that none. If you

1752
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 4: were to cut him before June first, which you certainly

1753
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 4: wouldn't do, you're not only taking on sixty five million

1754
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 4: in dead money, you're losing twenty five million on the

1755
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 4: cap as well. So he's not getting cut pre June first.

1756
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 4: The only hope that you have is he's cut post

1757
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 4: June first, and then that allows them to in the

1758
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 4: future start to save some cap money. Nobody's gonna trade

1759
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 4: for him, because whoever tradesform is gonna take on a

1760
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 4: huge number in terms of that money. Would then be

1761
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 4: their responsibility to the tune of twenty five million this year.

1762
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 4: I bet they're thinking, is we basically get nothing. We're

1763
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 4: gonna pay forty million dollars for nothing? Yeah? Or guess

1764
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 4: what we can pay forty million dollars and he's still

1765
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 4: on our team. Right, There's zero dollars of cap benefit

1766
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 4: to cutting kirk Cousins. The only world in which you

1767
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 4: would cut Kirk Cousins and it would be a post

1768
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 4: June first designation. Is that you're saying to Kirk Cousins,

1769
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 4: we like you so much in the limited time you

1770
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 4: were here in Atlanta, and you're a good guy. You know,

1771
01:23:57,880 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 4: we're gonna give you an opportunity to go start somewhere

1772
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 4: else for no reason themselves. If I'm gonna pay forty

1773
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 4: million dollars or something, I want something, yeah, you do.

1774
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 4: At least I have him here. He can mentor Penix

1775
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 4: if he's going to if Penix gets hurt, we feel like, okay,

1776
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 4: he can step in and play all of those things.

1777
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 4: The reasons we gave him this big contract, which is

1778
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 4: why when we said at the time, if you go

1779
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 4: all in and Kirk Cousins, why you drafted a quarterback

1780
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 4: in the first round or just draft quarterback in the

1781
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 4: first round. Yeah, don't do both. But if you're into

1782
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 4: forty million dollars, get something for it. Yeah, otherwise you're

1783
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 4: just throwing in the fireplace.

1784
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: You hit on a Really I think the point of

1785
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 1: that's a playoff team, that's an operation that needs to

1786
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:40,719
Speaker 1: win totally, and the it's a heck of an insurance policy.

1787
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 4: You've already paid for it, So what's the Absolutely.

1788
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 1: As long as he's a good human and all indications

1789
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 1: are that he will be now that he knows the

1790
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 1: circumstances and he handles it, then be a pro.

1791
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 4: That's it. It's like basically saying, Okay, I have paid

1792
01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 4: for an unbelievable vacation, and then I'm like, eh, I

1793
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 4: actually want to go do that. Just go on that facation.

1794
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 4: You go on the other vacation too, right, but you

1795
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:09,639
Speaker 4: paid for this one already. You're forty there's no benefit. Yeah,

1796
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,560
Speaker 4: they reap nothing. They get benefit in twenty six and

1797
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 4: twenty seven, but by the time they get there, it

1798
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 4: actually is a little bit easier to hopefully move on

1799
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 4: from kirk cousins if you're in there in their spot.

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01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 4: But I don't see any reason I would keep them.

1801
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 4: If I was the Falcons, Yeah, I'm with you, and

1802
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 4: he's in on it.

1803
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 1: Of course he's in on it down there. What's he's

1804
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: sucking over there? Sucking down some Chipotle? God bless all right?

1805
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 1: The voice one of the voice. He's our guy, Andrew Cilli.

1806
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 1: All of the secrets are going to be told by

1807
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 1: Andrew next that's what I'm told a teaser.

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01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 4: That's all secrets. Get your popcorn, secrets, Get your popcorn

1809
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Speaker 4: like your boy Johnny Fanta, get him locked in. He's

1810
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 4: not part in my take.

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Speaker 1: When I drove outy, Andrew Siciliano gona join us. Coming

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Speaker 1: up next Clearl Brod's eight fifty esp and Clean.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Siliano. He joins us live. I promised all of

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Speaker 1: the secrets. Oh yeah, that was one of the secrets.

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Speaker 4: I don't know all. I want all the leagues. Sullivans,

1826
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 4: what is your favorite.

1827
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,719
Speaker 1: Like aha moment at the combine in all the years

1828
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 1: you've came, Like, wait a second, that just happened.

1829
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 4: Oh wait, he's available. I'll give my value pond. Oh

1830
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 4: Bishop passing Kyler Murray on the stairs being a very

1831
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 4: accurate assessment of his height.

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01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was all we talked about when we

1833
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 1: came into it. We said, everyone said, Kingsbury to get

1834
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:11,719
Speaker 1: the most out of Rosen. We're here for twenty minutes.

1835
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 1: It's like, no, Kyler's going one. Kime was drepped, was

1836
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 1: in like a sh medium.

1837
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:17,600
Speaker 10: You know.

1838
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 4: We we were were like, gosh, we just if we

1839
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 4: could get physical physical and you guys are on the

1840
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 4: same step, and like Kyler reaca moment. Yeah, I don't

1841
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 4: know that a heavy moment like that.

1842
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,679
Speaker 8: I've had moments like that inmobile at the Senior Bowl

1843
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 8: where it's two in the morning and you have two

1844
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 8: head coaches screaming at each other in a bar.

1845
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 4: I like that and names.

1846
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 8: I'm not going to name the new name topics. I

1847
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 8: don't even remember the topic, but it was it got heated.

1848
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 8: But it was also like you hugged it out and

1849
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 8: everyone laughed about it. Yeah, but I mean there had

1850
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 8: been many a but like consumed over the long course

1851
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 8: of a mobile evening, and you know that was like,

1852
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:01,799
Speaker 8: oh boy, well, okay, that was fun. It was also funny,

1853
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 8: but you mentioned Kyler that year here for the combine,

1854
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 8: I did have an aha moment when I pieced everything

1855
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 8: together that Kyler's agent, Eric Burkhart, was college roommates with

1856
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 8: Anybody was Anybody was Cliff, Cliff Kingsbury, and then it's

1857
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 8: then there's Kyler, then there's this. I was like, oh, yeah,

1858
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 8: that's done on my on.

1859
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 1: My drive here, one of my former interns was dating Cliff,

1860
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 1: uh huh, and she said he's taking Kyler.

1861
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 4: Oh I promise you, And.

1862
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: I went, oh, okay, okay, all right, yeah, I guess

1863
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 1: maybe you do know, and then sure enough.

1864
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 8: Turned out to be quite correct confirmed. So I don't

1865
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 8: know that I've had one of those moments in a while,

1866
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:48,799
Speaker 8: but you do. I mean, look, the combine is great because,

1867
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 8: especially after the nightly meetings, sometimes you get guys coming

1868
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 8: from those meetings and they meet with the prospects last

1869
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 8: last night, d line and linebackers and kickers. If anybody

1870
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 8: wanted a kicker me, it had to be last night.

1871
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 8: And then guys head out to the bars and hey,

1872
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 8: what'd you think of this guy? And it's not always

1873
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 8: what they say, it's what their face says.

1874
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:09,640
Speaker 4: It's like.

1875
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 8: A lot of oh boy, Now, that doesn't mean that

1876
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 8: guy's off their board. As Ab said to you earlier,

1877
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 8: there's two months to go here and a lot of

1878
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 8: other voices can get into the conversation and maybe a

1879
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 8: guy goes back on the board. But yeah, every now

1880
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,640
Speaker 8: and then there's O have fun with him. It was

1881
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 8: not gonna be us, but somebody's gonna have fun with

1882
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 8: somebody's gonna get it. Yeah, speaking of Ab, he did

1883
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 8: the podium. Yes, he did a media scrum that you

1884
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 8: were a part of over there, and then he came

1885
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 8: here with us. What was kind of your big, if

1886
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 8: any big takeaways from the full Andrew Berry talking experience.

1887
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 8: I mean, I think the big headline obviously is Miles.

1888
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 8: He's standing for him and we're not gonna trade him.

1889
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 8: And people say, well, then what's it gonna come to.

1890
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1891
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 8: It's a long time between now and training camp if

1892
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 8: it gets that far. But look, the CBAY really is

1893
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 8: on the team side. This CBA we're currently under. When

1894
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 8: it comes to holdouts, you can't really hold out these days.

1895
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 8: You hold in when you want a new contract. Jamar

1896
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 8: Chase is at camp, but he's not practicing.

1897
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 4: T J.

1898
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 5: Watts at camp, but.

1899
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 4: He's not practicing. It's distracted.

1900
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Speaker 8: You really don't hold out. And I'm not trying to

1901
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,040
Speaker 8: call Miles bluff in any way, shape or form. But

1902
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 8: is he gonna miss game checks? And by the way,

1903
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 8: if he says yes, so be it. I mean, that's

1904
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 8: that's that's his stance he wants to take it. I

1905
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 8: think we're a long way from there. I think logic

1906
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 8: dictates the Browns at one point, and Andy b has

1907
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 8: certainly intimated this. You put a contract extension in front

1908
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:44,839
Speaker 8: of him, it will likely, you know, be the biggest

1909
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 8: for defensive player. You'd have to assume right in the

1910
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 8: league and go, really, do you not want this contract here?

1911
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 4: And if he says no, I.

1912
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:58,640
Speaker 8: Guess then you know, the conversation takes a turn. But

1913
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 8: until that happens, by the way, maybe it already has.

1914
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:04,560
Speaker 8: I don't know, we don't know that, but you know,

1915
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:08,480
Speaker 8: if that happens, I think then it's a different conversation.

1916
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 8: But I look, I pulled one GM aside today off

1917
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:12,680
Speaker 8: the podium and Saday.

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Speaker 4: Could you at least just tell me, like have you called?

1919
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 4: Because it's one of the teams.

1920
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:22,559
Speaker 6: We go there, have you at least called I don't.

1921
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 4: I don't want to come. I'm like, come on, man,

1922
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 4: just did you call?

1923
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Speaker 5: Like we all called?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't hurt the call, right everybody, you're doing

1925
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Speaker 4: your job. I'm not gonna come out, so he called.

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Speaker 4: I do think that that's gonna end with Miles signing

1927
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Speaker 4: a big contract. My guess is he's gonna want a

1928
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Speaker 4: lot of guaranteed money given contracts that were handed out

1929
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Speaker 4: by our organization otherwise. And I think that hopefully that

1930
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Speaker 4: part will work out. Now. One thing that certainly has

1931
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Speaker 4: caught the attention of our fans, and it was kind

1932
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Speaker 4: of didn't come out on the podium, I think came

1933
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Speaker 4: out with you guys, so you can maybe give more

1934
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Speaker 4: context to just the notion that not that it was

1935
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Speaker 4: nonchalantly said, but matter of fact he said, Nick Chubb's

1936
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Speaker 4: gonna hit Free Agency. Yeah.

1937
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Speaker 8: It was in the scrum with the locals after he

1938
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Speaker 8: did the podium A full disclosure.

1939
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Speaker 4: I couldn't. I was not very close to the front.

1940
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Speaker 4: It was a big scrum. I didn't hear it.

1941
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Speaker 8: It's on tape, certainly, but it wasn't a long answer,

1942
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Speaker 8: and I believe the question from Scott was do you

1943
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Speaker 8: expect Nick Chubb to hit free agency? And he said, well,

1944
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Speaker 8: his contract is up, so basically, yes, I expect him

1945
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Speaker 8: to hit free agency. So that that's kind of answer.

1946
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Speaker 8: We're not going to do a deal before. That's what

1947
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Speaker 8: I read between the lines. I think the headline will

1948
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Speaker 8: be Browns don't want Nick Chubb back. That's not what

1949
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Speaker 8: he said at all. It was yes, I do expect

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Speaker 8: him to hit free agency. He also said conversations with

1951
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Speaker 8: his representatives will be had. He didn't give a lot

1952
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Speaker 8: of context on those conversations. It wasn't like we're going

1953
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Speaker 8: to talk to them and try to bring him back

1954
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Speaker 8: at a different number or anything like that. It was, yes,

1955
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Speaker 8: I expect him to hit free agency, but we're going

1956
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Speaker 8: to talk to him. I think, so there's a little nuance.

1957
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Speaker 4: The hard part, I think for the fans is Nick

1958
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Speaker 4: Chubb is that he wants to come back. So the

1959
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Speaker 4: idea that it hasn't happened it sounds like will not

1960
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Speaker 4: happen until he tests the market means that we are saying,

1961
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Speaker 4: maybe on the bright side, we want you back, but

1962
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Speaker 4: we want you back here you think you can get here,

1963
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Speaker 4: go see in. If not, then we can work it out.

1964
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Speaker 8: That was not in any way said, and it was

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Speaker 8: near the end of the scrum. There was unfortunately no

1966
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Speaker 8: follow up. It was really and young Gabe over here

1967
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Speaker 8: is nodding his head. He actually I couldn't even hear.

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Speaker 8: I leaned into Gabe.

1969
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Speaker 4: I said, what exactly did he say? It was like

1970
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Speaker 4: a fifteen second interaction. Yeah, it was very quick.

1971
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Speaker 8: It is one that I think we would all like

1972
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Speaker 8: to follow back up with and get a little more clarity.

1973
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Speaker 8: It wasn't, Hey, Nick Sea, that's not what he said.

1974
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Speaker 1: No, yeah, we were talking about this. I mean the

1975
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Speaker 1: checklist for ab this offseason is long. Yeah, he's busy

1976
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Speaker 1: at a lot of Yeah, he's busy. It's us in

1977
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Speaker 1: kind of the Bengals. I mean the Bengals have a

1978
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Speaker 1: lot in both in the same division at least have

1979
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Speaker 1: the money in a quarterback?

1980
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Speaker 4: They do. They have money in a quarterback. And you

1981
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Speaker 4: drill when you say they have money, you under they

1982
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Speaker 4: have money. That's a that's a different converse. They said it.

1983
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Speaker 4: Not that we want it to happen. We're not advocating

1984
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Speaker 4: for this in any way, shape or form, but they

1985
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Speaker 4: seem to me to be the absolute number one team

1986
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Speaker 4: that should line up take a ten percent interest in

1987
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Speaker 4: the privately announced they have cash and they can keep

1988
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Speaker 4: Burrow Chase Higgins, build a defense and do all these things.

1989
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Speaker 8: Sure, but you you you would think that would be

1990
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Speaker 8: a good thing to do. The other thing real quick,

1991
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Speaker 8: I thought from Abe's podium that that made some headlines

1992
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Speaker 8: is he said that he views they view Travis Hunter

1993
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Speaker 8: as a wide receiver first and not a quarter first. Now,

1994
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 8: he opened it by saying, is you wide receiver corner?

1995
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Speaker 8: The answer is yes, he's a unicorn. He could play both,

1996
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Speaker 8: but we primarily see him as a wide receiver. Some

1997
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Speaker 8: teams don't why a team seem as a corner. He's

1998
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Speaker 8: going to be here as a corner. He's got to

1999
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Speaker 8: be listed as something. But he's going to do drills

2000
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Speaker 8: on both sides.

2001
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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is this is a heck of way to

2002
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Speaker 4: start it. It wasn't a bit of a banger, kid,

2003
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 4: wasn't boring on a Tuesday. Yeah, we have Adam Schefter.

2004
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Speaker 4: I don't know if you've said this in the said

2005
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Speaker 4: he thinks he'll take a quarterback.

2006
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Speaker 8: I mean, and that's the thing. It feels the most

2007
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Speaker 8: sure about in the draft. We have all week to

2008
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Speaker 8: have this conversation. You too need to calm down on the.

2009
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Speaker 4: You have to take a quarterback. I will not kind no, no, no, kindly.

2010
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Speaker 4: I would like to see them do that as well.

2011
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Speaker 4: He has to operate from the standing microphone from now,

2012
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Speaker 4: tell you your way back. Here's all I want to

2013
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Speaker 4: get into your heads.

2014
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Speaker 8: Reasonable people can have an intellectual conversation about this.

2015
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Speaker 4: You two get so angry about it. Conversation. We are

2016
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Speaker 4: in the flames, I understand, right, like we are in

2017
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:48,280
Speaker 4: a pressure cooking beach view. We haven't seen the sun

2018
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 4: in two months, but every day we are not from

2019
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 4: the beach. Dude, you're walking there. Then we're in aundra

2020
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Speaker 4: and the only thing that can melt that ice is

2021
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,760
Speaker 4: a quarter I mean, I mean, it's it's gonna go

2022
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:04,680
Speaker 4: from frozen to slush like. Come on, man, guess what

2023
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 4: I got a fever and the only prescription is a quarterback.

2024
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Speaker 4: At two, we'll we'll do this to the next level

2025
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Speaker 4: is next. We'll be back tomorrow. Cleveland Brown's Daily eight

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Speaker 4: fifty ESPA Cleveland.

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