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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to eighty five,

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Speaker 1: Episode five of.

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Speaker 2: Dirtily's Eye Geist Day production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: This is the podcast where we take a deep dab

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Speaker 1: into America share consciousness. And it is Friday, May fifth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three Miles May the fifth.

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Speaker 2: Be with the yes, yes, no, you messed that one up. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean for a lot of people who are like

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Speaker 2: just sort of broad cultural holiday, they're Sinkle to Mile.

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Speaker 2: Also National Astronaut Day, also African World Heritage Day.

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Speaker 1: Day, Yeah, right, because they don't get enough credit. They're

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Speaker 1: not out there doing the hard work of rocketing into space.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we just don't put enough attention, no putting

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Speaker 2: on that job, putting their bone density on the line

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Speaker 2: by being up in zero gravity. It's also National Space

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Speaker 2: Day as well, International Day of the Midwife, National Cartoonist Day, National.

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Speaker 1: Hogi Day, Hogie Days by Hagy you gottas to get

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Speaker 1: a Hagy school lunch.

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Speaker 2: Hero Day, which I'm not sure what that is, but

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Speaker 2: it's probably one of the like we'll talk about this

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Speaker 2: where we just have a day to recognize a very

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Speaker 2: important position in our society. And then y and then

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Speaker 2: that's this one day but don't ask about it.

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Speaker 1: Lunch hero sounds like one that deserves the day, because

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what it is necessarily unless it's

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Speaker 1: a hero that you get for, like.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's basically people who work in school cafeterias. Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: see that's great. Astronauts. I feel like we're good.

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Speaker 1: I feel like astronaut every day is National Astronaut Day, and.

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Speaker 2: They're getting there. They're getting there, so yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: But anyways, my name's Jack O'Brien aka. Why are there

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Speaker 1: so many songs by wopple House? Let's give someone else

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Speaker 1: a try. He's a great poster, he has.

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Speaker 2: His own podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he's a really good guy. But I've heard

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Speaker 1: him too many times to ignore it. There's something that

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Speaker 1: I really need. Someday I'll hear it on the day.

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Speaker 2: Le Zeitgeist an.

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Speaker 1: Ak A written by me that is courtesy of right

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Speaker 1: to post. He's exercised his right to post that AKA

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Speaker 1: multiple times across the years, so figured might as well.

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Speaker 2: Give it up to the end.

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Speaker 1: Got to give him his it is national right to

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Speaker 1: post to day as well.

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Speaker 2: You heard it?

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Speaker 1: An AKA written by you, sir, bobble House. Still still

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Speaker 1: the King. I'm thrilled to be joined as always by

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Speaker 1: my co host.

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Speaker 2: Mister Miles Gray. It's like Gray, are you waiting day?

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying that because it's raining right now now

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Speaker 2: and I had nothing else to say. Also, as your

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Speaker 2: boy Kusama the Black Andese experimental artist, thank you so much,

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Speaker 2: Jack for having me again. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: We're back out here, so nice to have you. Miles,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for having me. Yes, absolutely well.

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Speaker 1: We are thrilled to be joined by an award winning writer, photographer,

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Speaker 1: podcast host, editor, whose podcast ten Thousand Things just launched

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Speaker 1: its second season with a great episode about names.

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Speaker 2: We talked about names yesterday. So baby names, Yeah, board,

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Speaker 2: baby names.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome to this show.

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Speaker 2: It's shit y piey Hi.

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Speaker 3: It's great to be here.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's great to have you. Thank you for being here. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And also a fantastic poet and don't you know it? Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we've got We're just classing up the joint today with

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Speaker 2: our guest. How are you in Seattle? Correct? Are you? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm in Seattle, Washington.

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Speaker 2: How's the how's the weather up there? What do you

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Speaker 2: what are you looking at up there?

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Speaker 3: Today? It's really overcast and rainy, and I will be

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Speaker 3: in the middle of the night because like the roof

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Speaker 3: is just getting pelted with what sounded like hale. It

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Speaker 3: was like really heavy rain last night.

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Speaker 2: Oh nice, big lover, big supporter of rain because we

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Speaker 2: don't get it much down here. But yeah, kind say,

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Speaker 2: I woke up.

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Speaker 1: To my kids saying, our closet. It's raining in our closet.

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Speaker 2: So that was good. Wait, what happened that there's a latch.

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Speaker 1: There's like a latch that pops off into the roof

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Speaker 2: Oh so there was quite literally it was raining into

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was raining into their closet.

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Speaker 1: I love it when you got a handyman like me

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I'm surprised that Scotch tape didn't hold up.

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Speaker 1: Right, you put on there, chingy, your your new podcast,

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Speaker 1: or it's not new, it's the second season, but it

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, exactly, And.

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Speaker 1: You just did a brilliant episode about names.

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Speaker 2: We were talking baby.

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Speaker 1: Names yesterday, and how the internet, how social media is,

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Speaker 1: how there are now baby name influencers. If you came

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Speaker 2: Your episode was very.

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Speaker 1: Thoughtful and you know, a level up from what we

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Speaker 1: do here. But I'm not sure if you came across

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Speaker 1: any baby name influencers during your research.

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Speaker 3: No, I did not come aros making influencers. I was

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Speaker 3: more looking for stories of I think people who had

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Speaker 3: made very intentional name change choices and that had been

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Speaker 3: transformative to their identities.

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Speaker 2: Yes, right, because you said you were you were named

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Speaker 2: after Doris Day.

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Speaker 3: Really, yes, yes, that's right. My father loved Hollywood movies

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Speaker 3: and he felt like Doris Day was virginal and wholesome

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Speaker 3: and all American. So that's how I got my birth name.

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Speaker 2: funny too. My mom's Japanese and when she when her

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Speaker 2: had this idea of like, what are American names going

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Speaker 2: she was like, I like Stephanie. She kept it with Yoko.

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Speaker 2: She came over. She's like, no, I'm mistake with Yoko.

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Speaker 2: You know, I thought it would be Stephanie, and other

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Speaker 3: So for the first five years of my life, I

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Speaker 3: you know, he spent some time really doing some fortune

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Speaker 3: telling and divination to look at, you know, the stars

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Speaker 3: I suppose, And so so for me, it's it's like

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Speaker 3: a dharma name or a name of great significance in

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Speaker 3: that when I used that name and when I carry it,

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Speaker 3: it really summons forth these better qualities of myself that

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Speaker 3: I hoped better awaken.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's interesting, because I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are like oh that name suits you or it

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Speaker 1: like fits your personality. The idea of like giving a

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Speaker 1: name that offsets your personality is interesting and like very nuanced.

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you got too much Stephanie and you,

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna need to bring it down a little

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Speaker 1: bit and give you something else. But you don't know

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Speaker 1: if your uncle consulted a TikTok name baby name influencer

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Speaker 1: when doing that divination, so we can't say for sure.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure he likes consulted the eating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, Yeah that's wait. So and how

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Speaker 2: does and I just don't like give me an understanding

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Speaker 2: because you said your temperament, you come off as very

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Speaker 2: calm and very you know, very like stable, Like, so

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so shan Ye translates his happy treasure, and I

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Speaker 3: feel like the poetic kind of you knowing of that

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Speaker 2: The light wow answer, Okay, I need something like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm right there. I'm right there with you with

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Speaker 2: the glass half full, although it's slowly getting more or

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Speaker 2: half empty, it's slowly becoming half full for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like your name to your name like

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Speaker 2: Like well, and we were talking about this yesterday. I

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Speaker 2: always wanted my name to be DJ DJ does the

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Speaker 2: Dumbest and yeah, and I was like, I don't know why.

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Speaker 2: I think for me though, too, being black and Japanese

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Speaker 2: and being around a lot of white kids. Yeah, like

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Speaker 2: I was named after Miles Davis and like a lot

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Speaker 2: of kids like what the fuck is that? And I'm like,

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Speaker 2: that's the coolest motherfucker ever. But also they're like, but

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Speaker 2: to be like that. But again, come around to really

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Speaker 2: understand like why it's significant to your parents and your family,

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Speaker 2: and then you're like, are you right? You know what?

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Speaker 2: I got to embrace that, and yeah, and now it

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Speaker 2: suits me for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think like DJ Jazzy Jeff's first name

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Speaker 1: was DJ.

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Speaker 2: I'm potentially like I for a while I thought people's

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Speaker 2: name like even DJs were just like, oh DJ okay,

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Speaker 2: cool cool.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Shaney, you were going to say something smart and

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Speaker 1: I interrupted you and said something stupid.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead.

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Speaker 3: I will say that Miles Davis was the epitome of cool.

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Speaker 3: So you had parents with like high taste.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was funny. The only person at

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Speaker 2: It was. It was really weird. It's like the.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very positive experienced, I think so.

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Speaker 3: No like in my in my life, I listened to

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Speaker 2: like I can pick out a lot of sounds or

437
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Speaker 2: there aren't. I don't know if that's also part of

438
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 2: like my sort of being up like wound up sometimes

439
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 2: and being in a state of like sort of like

440
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 2: like threat assessment on occasion, but yes, yeah, I can.

441
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 2: I can definitely. Uh, that resonated with me.

442
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 1: Is there a particular like mechanical object or just a

443
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: sound that you think makes really good music even though

444
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 1: it's not actually music like a mechanical.

445
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 3: Object, you know, Like I used to have this really

446
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 3: cool like heating event in one of the apartments that

447
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 3: I lived in, And when I could clean the heating

448
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 3: event with like Q tips, because the dust would get

449
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 3: like in the metal vents, it would make like these

450
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 3: really wonderful like pinging noises and mmmmm yeah, yeah, yeah.

451
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Speaker 1: There are those radiators in New York City apartments and

452
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,959
Speaker 1: they make some of the strangest like little pinging and

453
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 1: like weird noises because they're just chunks of metal that

454
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: heat up. And that's how you like heat your apartment

455
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: in New York City and like they make these weird sounds.

456
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Speaker 2: Anyways, Wait, so shenew was album coming out Never with

457
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 2: the Q tip? With the QTIPVN. Do you listen to

458
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 2: Matt Most?

459
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 3: I don't know who that is, No.

460
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 2: Matt Most. They're like these producers who like would do

461
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 2: like bro. I got into them because they did an

462
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 2: album that was all just surgical sounds that they used

463
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 2: to make an album with, and then like they worked

464
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 2: with like B York and stuff like that. But they're

465
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 2: they're kind of like in that world of like sort

466
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 2: of audio sort of artists kind of thing.

467
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love to shout out a group here

468
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 3: in Seattle called the Seattle Phonographers Union. So they are

469
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,719
Speaker 3: this like collective of composers who go around gathering found

470
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 3: sounds from wherever and then they like play them back

471
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,679
Speaker 3: and live mix them in live performances, usually in like

472
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 3: really weirdo places, like there's this abandoned or repurposed military

473
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 3: airhannger in Magnuson Park in Seattle. And I hosted them

474
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 3: once when I was working for Obscura in this place

475
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 3: called the Georgetown steam Plant, which is this defunct steam

476
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 3: plant that stopped operating like in the nineteen seventies or eighties,

477
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 3: so they collected all these like steam plant like noises

478
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 3: and then they played them live and.

479
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 2: That was just is that The park that's like right

480
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 2: on the water.

481
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 3: Georgetownstein Plant is down by the Dwamish River in South Seattle,

482
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 3: south of downtown, and it's owned by Seattle City Lights,

483
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 3: and it's not operable, but it's this historic space that

484
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 3: people do activate with like arts and music and dance

485
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 3: and it's super cool if you come here.

486
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'll be sure to hit that up along

487
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 2: with my Dick's driving fries. There you go.

488
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Speaker 1: All right, you make Seattle sound very cool?

489
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 2: It is it, dude, Seattle. I can't, honest I always

490
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: I'll say this. I love Seattle like I had been

491
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 2: once when I was really young, and I went recently

492
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: in October, and I just love like how rich it's

493
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 2: history and the muse. It's such a music I feel.

494
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 2: It's like obviously people know about like the music that's

495
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: come from Seattle, but when you're there, like seeing live

496
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 2: music in Seattle. I was so blown away to the

497
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 2: Sea Monster and I saw like a really good band

498
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 2: there and like, and I was like, what's up with these?

499
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 2: Like what band is this? They're like, oh, these are

500
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 2: some locals who like to jam. And I'm like, this

501
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 2: is like the best band I've heard, but they're just

502
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 2: doing this for fun. Okay, yep, I'm here, I'm here.

503
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have wonderful musicians. Tomo Nakayama did the music

504
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 3: for my podcast ten Thousand Things, and he's just like

505
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 3: Seattle indie rock Darling that's been like touted by the

506
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,719
Speaker 3: New York Times. And we live in an incredible city

507
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,479
Speaker 3: of music and musicians and people who are so deeply

508
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 3: invested in the arts.

509
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to hit that next tour, Jack, We've

510
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 2: got to go there. Ever since I.

511
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Speaker 1: Started this show, you've been talking to the Pacific Northwest

512
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: calls to you, Miles.

513
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 2: I as a just like urban concrete boy from North Hollywood, California.

514
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: I fantasized about the forest as a kid, like I

515
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 2: think a. It started with Endoor from Return of the Jedi. Yeah,

516
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 2: because I was like, wait, there's places where it's just

517
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 2: trees like this, And then I remember I went to

518
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: the Sequoias once. My grandfather took me to the Sequoias

519
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 2: and I blew my mind. And then I've just I

520
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 2: just have I don't know, a connection with like very

521
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: wooded places and you know, cooler climates. So yeah, yeah,

522
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: love the love the Northwest.

523
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, let's take a quick break.

524
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: We'll come back.

525
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: We'll do underrated and talk some news. We'll be right

526
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: back and we're back and shiny. We like to ask

527
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: our guests, what is something that you think is underrated?

528
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 3: I think that running is underrated.

529
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 2: I used to hear problems or.

530
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: No, like long distance running, Oh okay on a trail, yes.

531
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, yes, fair enough. That's the kind

532
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 2: of running. Jacks used to are you were you? Were

533
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: you not running before? And you got into it and

534
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 2: now you're like, wow, are you just sort of like

535
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 2: a running advocate overall?

536
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 3: I got into it during the pandemic. I used to

537
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 3: be a swimmer, and then when the pandemic came in

538
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, I just felt like I needed to take

539
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 3: a break from it. So I just started running because

540
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 3: I needed to be outdoors kind of just processing and

541
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 3: moving around. And I run about three miles four times

542
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 3: a week. And for me as like a creative person,

543
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 3: as a writer, I feel like it's when some of

544
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 3: my best ideas come to me, or like things that

545
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 3: I'm trying to process, they somehow shake loose in a

546
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 3: way in that time, and it's just like really beautiful

547
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 3: self care time that I love for myself. And there

548
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 3: was a time when I really hated running when I

549
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,479
Speaker 3: was a kid, Like I feel like it took me.

550
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 3: It used to take me when I was like a

551
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 3: young person, like fifteen minutes to like run a mile,

552
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 3: and I just hated it, every part of running. And

553
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 3: I grew up in southern California, where you don't really

554
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 3: want to run in that heat anyways, But here it's

555
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 3: just a really beautiful experience of like being with the

556
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,239
Speaker 3: birds and the rabbits on the trail and just like

557
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 3: paying attention.

558
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 2: Right, how do you? How do you? Kind of cause

559
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 2: I'm just sort of the same way. Like we had

560
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 2: to run the mile in pe Yep and I hated

561
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: it drag I would just because when I did it,

562
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 2: I was like, why are we doing this? That was

563
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 2: like my first thought. And then when they said all right, go,

564
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: I'm like and then like a.

565
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: Whole while like Paul Rudd and Wet Hot America, Oh yeah,

566
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: exact limp exactly would I wouldn't even drive my arms.

567
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even drive mynd they would be limp in

568
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: front of me, like and in the in the same

569
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: thing in the pandemic. I also would got into running,

570
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: mostly just as a way because I was like one

571
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: of the only excusable reasons to be outside. I was like, well,

572
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: I'll take advantage of that.

573
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: But it took me a really long time for like

574
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: to shift it from feeling like it was exercise or

575
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: something to kind of I'm still not quite at that

576
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 2: place where people get that like real stillness like you're

577
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: talking about like you can process. Is that because you

578
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 2: found your right pace to run at or you just

579
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: engage with in a way where you're like, I need this.

580
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: This is how like you're saying, this is how I

581
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: just shake things loose.

582
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: I think it's like it's it's a practice of just

583
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 3: kind of like synchronizing the breath and the body and

584
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 3: the mind. And if I can just like stay off

585
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 3: my phone and just like pay attention to what I'm doing,

586
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 3: it comes, you know, fairly quickly. And I think that

587
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 3: was probably aided in part because I had for a

588
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: long time have had a meditation practice, and so it

589
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: has in a lot of ways supplemented that or replaced

590
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 3: that in that I have that body memory of what

591
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 3: that can feel like, and so it just kind of

592
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 3: clicks in.

593
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Speaker 1: That was when I was running a lot. The thing

594
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: like it was a big improvement for me to go

595
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: from like trying to listen to podcasts or like read

596
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: books on tape while I was running to just like

597
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: not doing anything while running and just like focusing on

598
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: breath and just like mindfulness while running, which is a

599
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: lot of time to spend, Like if you're running a lot,

600
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: it's a lot of time spent. But I mean, yeah,

601
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: if that can kind of supplement a meditation practice or

602
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, be your meditation for the day, yeah, it's

603
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: actually helpful and you run. I found that I ran better.

604
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always had headphones in. So I think that's

605
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: probably the reason why. I mean I was probably splitting

606
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: my attention from like sort of entertaining myself because I'm like, oh,

607
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 2: it can be so boring, rather than kind of like

608
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: you're both saying, let it be a little more meditative. Yeah.

609
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: So I find that to be like a really interesting

610
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 3: gender difference, Like for me as a woman running alone.

611
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: I will never run with head headphones, right, yeah, I

612
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: get safety.

613
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

614
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah when I run now, I need some distraction from

615
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: the pain of running. But that's what I was really

616
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: good at running that Like I was able to just

617
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: be like, ah, this is I'm like, I can't. I

618
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: can just focus on my breath and then I get

619
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: a little better at running. Anyways, all right, let's get

620
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: into a little bit of news. Yeah, I'm glad we

621
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: have a poet on because the star of this first

622
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: story I think has a poet name that I don't

623
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: think his uncle came in and was like, we got

624
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: offset what you've got going on there, and instead this

625
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 1: is like the perfect if you were creating a villain

626
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: of his type for a film, you would name, and

627
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: you consulted a poet, you would the name that would

628
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: come out the other end is Harlan Crowe.

629
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: Sounds like a Mark Twain character for sure.

630
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: Yes, Texas billionaire Harlan Crowe. Who is you know? It

631
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: has been the great Expectations style benefactor to fucking you know,

632
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: multiple Supreme Court justice but specifically Clarence Thomas for the

633
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: past two decades. Nobody's nothing was being reported. Pro Publica

634
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: has been reporting on it for a couple months now,

635
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: and people are like, the audacity of these people trying

636
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: to stir up shit just because I'm giving him presence.

637
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: I'm just a nice person. Who oh, who's interested in education?

638
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: You don't buy Frederick Douglas's Bible? Yeah? Yeah, I mean

639
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: this is the latest thing to come out is like

640
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: first it was like, oh, they go on trips together. Oh,

641
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: he bought him like their friends keep him. He bought him,

642
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: Abraham Lincoln bust. He bought Frederick Douglas, Frederick Douglas's Bible

643
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: at an auction and gave these things to him. And

644
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: then the next thing was, wait, he bought Clarence Thomas's

645
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: mother's house and then she was living in there rent free,

646
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: and he renovated the bathroom and some other stuff.

647
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: Oh, he works in real estate. He didn't even know

648
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: it was his.

649
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: No. His answer was, I wanted to make a museum

650
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: to honor a great American Clarence Thomas by having his

651
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: boyhood home. Fact check, he did not grow up in

652
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: that house with his mother. So missed us with that explanation. Now,

653
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Speaker 2: the latest one to drop is drum roll please. Harlan

654
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: Crowe has been paying for Clarence Thomas's son's tuition, right.

655
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: OK, yeah, his nephew who he raises as his son.

656
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: Six thousand dollars a month?

657
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: Is that right? Damn they're saying it's been at least

658
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: a year's worth going to Hogwarts where the fuck? Yeah?

659
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: But people are like, well, Harlan Crow has come out

660
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: with come out strong and been like this is disgusting.

661
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: Harlan Crow has long been passionate about the importance of

662
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: quality education and giving back to those less fortunate, especially

663
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: at risk youth. Again like as though he didn't know

664
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Speaker 1: it was Clarence Thomas's nephew. Grand Yeah, is Clarence Thomas's

665
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: child who he's raising an at risk youth? That right exactly?

666
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: That is unlikely to make.

667
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: Is that a knock against Ginny Thomas and Clarence Thomas

668
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: Like we're growing up in that home that's at risk youth.

669
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Speaker 1: It's disappointing that those with partisan political interests would try

670
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: to turn helping at risk youth with tuition assistance into

671
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 1: something the fairy us or political I have to assume

672
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas is like yo, He's like yo, call him

673
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: at risk because he's my child at risk?

674
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? I mean it's very coded too,

675
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: at risk youth, you know what I mean. And because

676
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: this is Clarence Thomas's nephew, had to like serve a

677
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: prison sentence and as a result, like they had to

678
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: figure out what to do with his son. And in

679
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: his biographer, you know, he talks all the time about

680
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: how Clarence Thomas his own father wasn't there and how

681
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: he was taken in by his grandparents. So this felt

682
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: like a thing for him and Ginny to do. And

683
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: you know, they're telling his nephew like, yeah, he's gonna

684
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: have a great life with us, et cetera, et cetera.

685
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: But yet when it comes down to reporting it, suddenly

686
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: he's like that ain't my kid. I don't know him

687
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: from Adam, Like that's a something.

688
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 3: So I work in county government in the Seattle area,

689
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: and I've also worked in philanthropy, and there are often

690
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 3: really rigorous policies and practices around conflict of interest, and yeah,

691
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: are people talking, you know about like the violation of

692
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: those policies.

693
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: Well, the only partisan people who hate freedom. That's Crow's

694
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: interest in at risk youth.

695
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he did. Obviously. There's this lawyer that

696
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: Clarence Thomas has worked with ever since, like the Anita

697
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: Hill stuff, and has also been like, you know, at

698
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: Ginny's side when she was doing all that January sixth stuff.

699
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: And let me forget his name is Mark Poletta, Yeah,

700
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: Mark Palletta. Yeah. So he has come out and basically

701
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: done this thing. Just I'll just read you how he's

702
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: sort of describing it. He's like Harlan Crow's tuition payments

703
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: made directly to these schools on behalf of Justice Thomas's

704
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 2: great nephew did not constitute a reportable gift. Justice Thomas

705
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: was not required to disclose the tuition payments made directly

706
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: to Randolph Macon and the Georgia School on behalf of

707
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 2: his great nephew because the definition this is where they

708
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: start getting into it, of a dependent child under the

709
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: Ethics and Government Act does not include a quote great nephew.

710
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: It is limited to a son, daughter, step son, or

711
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 2: step daughter. Justice Thomas never asked Harlan Crow to pay

712
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: for his great nephew's tuition, and neither Harlan Crowe nor

713
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 2: his company had any business before the Supreme Court. Okay,

714
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: that is that is the defense to all of those

715
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: And while that might be true, I think this whole

716
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: idea of like, well, none of his companies had business

717
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: before the court. All of these wealthy conservative donors, they're not.

718
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 2: It's not about their specific business. They're trying to change society.

719
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: That will be a more yeah, it will be a

720
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 2: more inviting place for the kind of business that they

721
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: want to do. They want to change the environment they're operating.

722
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with this. So that's sort

723
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: of the line they're taking.

724
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: We're in a period of like unprecedented flagrant abuse of

725
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: you know, normal like workers' rights in favor of billionaires

726
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: and corporations, and like this is what is happening at

727
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: that time, Like it's it's not like so this is

728
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: a thing that could sway him. He is like part

729
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: of a Supreme Court that has been doing just disregarding

730
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 1: like any sort of pushback on these sorts of people

731
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: for decades. And right, he also had previously disclosed a

732
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: gift of five thousand dollars for this kid's education from

733
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: another friend, but he suspiciously didn't do the same with

734
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: Crows because I think he knew that once you like

735
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: pull at that thread, you start to see that Crow

736
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: is giving him so many gifts, and then it could

737
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: be a bad look. So yeah, it really feels like

738
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: this is the one where they have like absolutely no

739
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: leg to stand on.

740
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's really like most people of legal observers

741
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: and analysts were like, it's pretty clear that you would

742
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 2: want to report this, Like you'd have to be really

743
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 2: disingenuous to try and bend your mind and redefine what

744
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: a dependent is to try and avoid reporting this, because

745
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, they're like this is merely a

746
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: ward of their home, Like you know, like they're trying

747
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: to distance themselves from this person despite the fact that

748
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 2: they're they've been patting themselves on the back for raising

749
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: this kid, like publicly and in written interviews and things

750
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 2: like that. So again, it's just a yeah, terribly frustrating situation,

751
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: especially when you have like all the Republicans who are

752
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: like in line to be like, we're not gonna have

753
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: any ethics standards. Let's not we're not voting for that.

754
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 2: So let's just keep this going because this is our

755
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: most useful tool in combating any kind of progress that

756
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: we've made in this country is to you know, rig

757
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court. Yeah.

758
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: The only yeah, the only possible excuse for not disclosing

759
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: these gifts would be the argument that the payments were

760
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: to his grandnephew, not Thomas directly. But everybody points out

761
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: like it's minor. Children rarely pay their own tuition. Although

762
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: if the GOP has their way, as we've been talking about,

763
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: with what they're doing that count the laws, then you know,

764
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: this kid would be able to pay his own way

765
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: with just working forty hours a week.

766
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: He was consulting. He was consulting with Harlan Crowe's real

767
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: estate business as a ten year old. Okay, and that's

768
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: where the money came from. Any other questions, Can we

769
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: move on? We have serious business in front of the court,

770
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 2: all right?

771
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: Uh Sidish? Should we talk about the sedition by the

772
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: Proud Boys?

773
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well yeah, I mean it happened. I thought that

774
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: for a second. I remember, I think one of the

775
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: people in the jury is like, what happens if we

776
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: don't all agree? Like was a note that came out

777
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: of the jury and I was like, oh, no, what's

778
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: happening now? But no, turns out they've delivered a guilty verdict. Yeah.

779
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: Four members of the Proud Boys, including Enrique Ontario, were

780
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: found guilty of conspiracy. The conspiracy counts alone could carry

781
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 1: a sense of fifty years in prison. The case hinged

782
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: on testimonies of two former Proud Boys who made deals.

783
00:38:59,360 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: With the Feds.

784
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: Testified that the group were intent on staging and all

785
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: out revolution to stop Biden. Which this is why it's

786
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: always tricky when you're like rooting for the side that

787
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: the Feds are on.

788
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: Because they're shady. That's shady as fuck.

789
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: Whenever they the FBI is like basically being like, we're

790
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: gonna put you away for life unless you tell us

791
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: these things that are on a list that we want

792
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: you to tell us. But I don't know, like it

793
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: also seems like these are bad people, so oh.

794
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeh one hundred percent. I mean, like you

795
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 2: know also too, like I think when the prosecution was

796
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: telling them, they're like, we don't have to prove that

797
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: they had anything specific they were going to do to

798
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: prove conspiracy. They just we just have to know that

799
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: they had like sort of an agreement, whether that's verbalized

800
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: or not to execute X, Y and Z. But I

801
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 2: think it's you know, for all of like the nice,

802
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 2: nice nice of seeing some of these people who had

803
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 2: a huge role in January sixth, like you know, have

804
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: to answer for it. It's like we're still you know,

805
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 2: we're still waiting for that other shoe to drop. Because

806
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,959
Speaker 2: one of the things that uh Tario's lawyer was saying

807
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: was like this is all because Donald Trump, though, right,

808
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: so like this isn't it's not his fault Donald, It's

809
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: like Donald Trump gave them the motivation. I don't even

810
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: know why we're here, man, it's so unfair. Okay, well

811
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: maybe maybe that shoe will drop. We'll see, yeah, probably not,

812
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: probably not. Yeah.

813
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: And people are pointing out that, like it's wild to

814
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: see these people who like it seems like hadn't even

815
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: contemplated the idea of facing consequences for their behavior, like

816
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: face consequences, right, But in terms of the practicality of

817
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: like taking down the leaders of these two groups, I

818
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: think these groups got a lot of attention, but the

819
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: majority of the people on the far right aren't part

820
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: of specific groups. They're just like connecting through social media.

821
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: But you know, law enforcement mainly knows how to go

822
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: after formal organizations. So this is the strategy they're taking.

823
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: But well, we'll have to wait and see what the

824
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: what the consequences are of taking.

825
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: What does sociologists say are their roots of extremism? Does

826
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: nothing to do with the inequality, right or like a

827
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: really unstable economic situation. No, no, no, no, no, lack of

828
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: those kinds. Okay, all right, so let's focus on these groups.

829
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: It was stop the steal. The main thing. Has stopped

830
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: the steal, right right, sorry, sorry, all right, let's.

831
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Speaker 1: Take a quick break and we'll come back and talk

832
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: about Greg Guttfeld. Yeah, and we're back, and the w

833
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: GA strike has continued. And one of the most noticeable

834
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: consequences for you know, people who aren't in LA or

835
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: who aren't in the w g A is the absence

836
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: of late night comedy shows since they're normally on TV

837
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: every single night. But one late night show that's still

838
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: going strong despite the strike is Fox News is Gutfeld Sorry.

839
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 2: I mean Gutfeld. Yeah, it has exclamation points. Jacket's all

840
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: caps and an exclamation point, so yes, please please, still.

841
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: Gut felled still on the air because his writers are

842
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: all non union.

843
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: Because of Wow, do you think do you think that's

844
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: because anyone in the union would be too talented to

845
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: take a job on Gutfeld, or that the business practices

846
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: of Gutfeld is to only use non union.

847
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: Writers, probably like a chicken radiation and like Fox News

848
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: being like, I can't believe, I can't imagine. Fox News

849
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: is very a very friendly place for unions. But like

850
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: Nick Depolo, do you remember that guy from like Tough

851
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 1: Crowd with, Yeah, he's one of the writers.

852
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, and that's okay killing it? Wow, how

853
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:52,479
Speaker 2: the Mighty fall.

854
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, So just that this gave us a chance to

855
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: our writer JM checked in with Guttfeld to see, you

856
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: know what we've been missing when we're tuning into Fallon

857
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: and all.

858
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: Those other late night shows.

859
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: So you know, if you if you tuned into Guttfeld,

860
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: you were able to hear him talk about the seventh

861
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: anniversary of seeing Kim Kardashian's butt in person.

862
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: He wait, that's a that's an an that's a celebration

863
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 2: for Greg.

864
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: That's something that he said, and he was like, her

865
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: butt is so big it kind of felt like it

866
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: was staring back, which I feel like it was like

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Speaker 1: a nineteen eighties joke. He also made some Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: fart jokes, so that's just killing it. A Brittany Griner

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Speaker 1: weed joke called CBS News is Gail King a lesbian?

870
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Speaker 1: And he is just behind Colbert and ahead of Fallon

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Speaker 1: and Kimmel in the ratings, which is, yeah, crazy.

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Speaker 2: Your your face just dropped hearing that. Yeah, that's uh,

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Speaker 2: that's where that's where this, this powerhouse of late night

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Speaker 2: is And yeah, what I know, like he's always We've

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Speaker 2: talked before he like on this show. He would always

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Speaker 2: be on Fox saying stuff like I hate radio Head.

877
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Speaker 2: It's like it's not even a band, like radio Heads

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Speaker 2: not music, and we're like what, yeah.

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Speaker 1: His so his background also, by the way, if you

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Speaker 1: tune in, it's it's interesting, like hell, I don't I

881
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Speaker 1: don't know, maybe they don't have union like people who

882
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Speaker 1: like warm up the crowd for him, because his audience

883
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Speaker 1: like doesn't even seem.

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Speaker 2: To like him.

885
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Speaker 1: Like there's like no jokes where like one person laughs.

886
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Speaker 2: There's I'll play the script for you because he's talking

887
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Speaker 2: about the Dante Wright protests in Minnesota and I'm talking

888
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Speaker 2: about some serious shit going on in the country. And

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Speaker 2: then like he has like a punchline. And I think

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Speaker 2: that's what's so weird is because he pivots from I'll

891
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Speaker 2: just let you hear kind of like the slight setup

892
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Speaker 2: and punchline, if you want to call.

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Speaker 4: It that, protests and looters nail a bunch of stores,

894
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Speaker 4: and the destruction spreads.

895
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Speaker 2: It's now part of the process.

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Speaker 4: Video followed by outrage, followed by coverage of outrage. It's

897
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Speaker 4: as predictable as CNN's programming, because it is.

898
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Speaker 2: It's a scene that's.

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Speaker 4: Gone from shocking to expected to gleefully anticipated by the media,

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Speaker 4: as familiar as a rerun of Friends, except it's the

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Speaker 4: one where Rachel sets central perk a blaze.

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Speaker 2: The explanation for.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he paused for laughter at one point and

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Speaker 1: there is nothing, so he just pressed on. And then

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Speaker 1: on that one, they were like, okay, okay, here, I'm

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Speaker 1: ready for this one.

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Speaker 2: Okay, anybody else? Can we add that? In post? No?

908
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Speaker 2: All right? Moving on? Where was I? Where was I? Yeah,

909
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Speaker 2: it's it's it's not the height of comedy like we thought. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right wingers are claiming that gut Field is gut Gutfeld

911
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Speaker 1: is evidence that the right is starting to get better

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Speaker 1: at comedy. And it's making lefties nervous shy.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious, like, as as someone who's like a creative person,

914
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Speaker 2: a writer and everything like that, how do you look

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Speaker 2: at the chasm between like sort of these like conservative

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Speaker 2: of hateful people and how when they try and engage

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Speaker 2: with creativity or art and like like why like there's

918
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Speaker 2: this like dynamic We're like we got to prove that

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Speaker 2: we can do funny too, or we can do art

920
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Speaker 2: or whatever. What How do you see what's holding them

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Speaker 2: back or what do you see is the difference in it?

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Speaker 2: Because I feel like to us, we're like it's there's

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Speaker 2: like just this mindset. I feel like that's just maybe

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Speaker 2: so exclusionary or something that they're unable to think past

925
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Speaker 2: like these like sort of backwards tropes in our culture

926
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Speaker 2: and like these stereotypes as humor or whatever. But I'm

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Speaker 2: curious to hear from your perspective, like the the darth

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Speaker 2: of creativity and the right wing.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's like a performative ego show that

930
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Speaker 3: is completely based on sensationalism. And yeah, I I don't know,

931
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Speaker 3: it's it's not like a humor that is like humanizing.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there is anything humor riss about it.

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Speaker 3: I think it's kind of like the it is very

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Speaker 3: do you've now kind of approach that is really about

935
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Speaker 3: getting attention more than anything. So it isn't about comedy

936
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Speaker 3: or craft or writing or using a specific genre to

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Speaker 3: make a certain point. There is no critique, There is

938
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Speaker 3: no sophistication about it. It is just a misuse of language.

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Speaker 2: Oh I like that misuse.

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Speaker 1: Misuse of language is like very love that misuse of language.

941
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Speaker 1: And also his confusion of like that'll get their attention

942
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Speaker 1: with comedy is really like that perfectly sums up his

943
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: background too, because his background is as the editor of

944
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Speaker 1: early two thousands Cringey Bro publications like Stuff and Maxim,

945
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Speaker 1: which kind of explains everything. When he was at Stuff,

946
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Speaker 1: he once hired little people actors to disrupt a meeting

947
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Speaker 1: of magazine editors with potato chip bags and cell phones

948
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Speaker 1: and clearly thought it was like the funniest goddamn thing

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Speaker 1: in the world.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it's a yunny because they're little and they have

951
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Speaker 2: potato chip bags.

952
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Speaker 1: But again, it's just like making noise to annoy people

953
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Speaker 1: instead of comedy.

954
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Speaker 2: What are you saying here with this?

955
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Speaker 1: One of the other funny things was recording audio of

956
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Speaker 1: women in bathroom stalls and then printing it without their consent.

957
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: He created a monthly photo spread called the Women of

958
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Speaker 1: thirty ninth and six purely so he could meet women

959
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Speaker 1: who lived in his apartment building, which, yeah, that's like stalker. Yeah,

960
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: but he's just running around pulling people's hair on the playground.

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Speaker 1: It seems like it's like his whole approach. That that's

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Speaker 1: the level of sophistication of his comedy. One of his

963
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: contributions when he moved over Left Stuff went to Maxim.

964
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Speaker 1: He just like started to personally harass other magazine editors.

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Speaker 1: He like published the phone number of GQ editor Dylan

966
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Speaker 1: Jones and encouraged readers to abuse him. And yeah, just

967
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Speaker 1: being annoying is like his.

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Speaker 2: Version of comedy.

969
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: It seems like right, being the most unpleasant, obnoxious person.

970
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Speaker 1: But I think like that is a thing that really

971
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: appeals to the right. Is like, oh man, he's owning

972
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Speaker 1: the libs by recording them when they're in the bathroom

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Speaker 1: and printing transcript I.

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Speaker 2: Think, well, because I think at the end of the day,

975
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: there's no there's no such thing as humor. There's no

976
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: such thing as like a philosophical victory or like rhetorical victory,

977
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: because the only thing is just to see the reaction, yeah,

978
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: of their counterpart. That's really all it is, Like, yeah,

979
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: it's all couched and like this is a comedy show,

980
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 2: but really you're making a show that you hope like

981
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Speaker 2: that from their perspective, like a lib would see it

982
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: and it would crush their spirit, Okay. Rather than being like,

983
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 2: I'm informing people about what's happening in a funny way,

984
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: they're trying to be like and guess what this is

985
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 2: liberal tears manifested into a nightly show, Okay, And I

986
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Speaker 2: guess that's not a very good guid principle.

987
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's a strong element of toxic

988
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 3: masculinity at play too, to be honest, that dominating.

989
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, there's like there's all so

990
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: the two things are hey, look at me pulling hair

991
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: and then just like thorough and consistent misogyny just from

992
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: his trying to recording, like bugging women's bathrooms and like

993
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: recording and reprinting transcriptions what they say against like without

994
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: their consent, to creating a monthly photo spread of like

995
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: women in his apartment building like.

996
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: That is just so predatory too, you know. Yeah, that

997
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: is the waters. Yeah, he's chumming the waters with the

998
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 2: promise of like being in this magazine as a way

999
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: to like introduce himself and then like dangle that in

1000
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Speaker 2: front of someone. Yeah, and then cut to the second

1001
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Speaker 2: most highly rated late night talk show in the country

1002
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Speaker 2: right now. Yeah, so all.

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Speaker 1: Right, well that's that show is still own folks.

1004
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 2: So you know, you can't misuse of words every night

1005
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 2: on Fox.

1006
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: That's right, misuse of words.

1007
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Speaker 2: Excellent caps that explanation point.

1008
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Speaker 1: Well, shany it's been such a pleasure having you on

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Speaker 1: the daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you? Follow you

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Speaker 3: or QW dot org slash ten thousand things spelled out.

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Speaker 3: And I'm on Instagram it's just my name et shiny

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Speaker 3: Pi on Facebook as well, and I have a website

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Speaker 3: and yeah, people can find my books through small press

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Speaker 3: that people buy through small presses and support small businesses.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm in the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, can you have a Kickstarter, right.

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Speaker 3: I have a Kickstarter right now that I'm running for

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Speaker 3: a book that I'm publishing this fall of hi Q

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Speaker 3: Comics with Blue Cat Press, which is a woman led

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Speaker 3: Bipock Press and Tacoma, And it's a collection of haiku

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Speaker 3: and their poems about just my experiences of like the

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Speaker 3: boredom and kind of just loss of identity during pandemic

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Speaker 3: and the rise of anti Asian hate crime and just

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Speaker 3: a young child. And Yeah, it's an incredible collection of

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Speaker 3: and we're hoping to raise some production funds to support

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Speaker 3: the printing of it.

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Speaker 2: Nice, so you go and contribute to that.

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Speaker 3: It's on Kickstarter and the campaign is through Blue Caractus

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Speaker 3: Press for the book Less Desolate. And I'll share the

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Speaker 3: put it in the show notes.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 1: Great, And is there a tweet or work of media

1041
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: that you've been enjoying.

1042
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 3: Last night, I saw the comedian Jenny Yang post some

1043
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: photos of verse at our Writer's Guild strike and she

1044
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 3: had this fabulous sign that said give up just one yacht.

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Speaker 1: A lot, so good asking a lot just Clarence. Clarence

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Speaker 1: Thomas loves the yachts, So what are we gonna do

1047
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: if we give up the yacht that Clarence Thomas likes,

1048
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, then makes it harder for us to hang

1049
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Speaker 1: with him. Amazing, Miles, where can people find you?

1050
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Speaker 2: Follow you? What is the working media you've been enjoying? Oh?

1051
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: Find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray.

1052
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 2: If I'm doing anything there, chances are I kind of

1053
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: might be. And also find Jack and I on our

1054
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Speaker 2: basketball podcast, Miles and Jack got Man Massa And if

1055
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Speaker 2: you like Trash reality show, which is where I go

1056
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Speaker 2: to find refuge from this chaotic world, check me out.

1057
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Speaker 2: And Sophia Alexander talking about ninety Day Fiance on four

1058
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Speaker 2: to twenty Day Fiance a tweet I like actually goes

1059
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Speaker 2: hand in hand love Jenny. Shout out Jenny, She's the

1060
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Speaker 2: home girl. This is actually from at Lisa Cohen, Lisa

1061
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Speaker 2: Takeuchi Coullen that tweeted. A producer told me he heard

1062
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Speaker 2: that all the yacht rentals were booked for the month

1063
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Speaker 2: of June by studio execs who'd long expected a writers strike,

1064
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: and it would be it would be haha funny if

1065
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 2: a resourceful reporter hunted this lead down. Wow, yeah, that

1066
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 2: would like. When I hear that, I'm like, oh, that's

1067
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Speaker 2: that sounds like they're kind of Hollywood cynicism. I'm used

1068
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Speaker 2: to like, Well, there's gonna be the strike anyway, So like,

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Speaker 2: where are we going to go? Chanto Beeck.

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00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: Built in vacation for the billionaires?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: Uh tweet I've been enjoying Pessimist Prime Respawn edition tweeted.

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Speaker 1: My editor dislikes my use of contractions.

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Speaker 2: But it's what it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we we We love saying that.

1076
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Speaker 2: It's it's what you say that all the time. Yeah,

1077
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Speaker 2: it's what it's. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: You can find us on.

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Speaker 1: Twitter at Daily Zeikeeist. We're at the Daily Zeikeeist on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: We have a Facebook fanpage and a website Daily Zekeist

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Speaker 1: dot Comboy post our episode odes and our footnotes. We

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Speaker 1: link off to the information that we talked about in

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Speaker 1: today's episode as well. It's a song that we think

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Speaker 1: you might enjoy, Miles, Is there a song that you

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Speaker 1: think people might enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is a group called the Holy Drug Couple,

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Speaker 2: and there are these artists from Santiago, Chile and their music. Man,

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Speaker 2: their music sounds, it's it's like spooky but cool like

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Speaker 2: i've i've I've described other artists are like if this

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Speaker 2: like the World ended in Aliens sound like an old

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Speaker 2: mixtape and like tried to get the like the tape working,

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Speaker 2: it would sound like this. This is like this is

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Speaker 2: just I don't this is just really their their music

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Speaker 2: is really really cool. This track is called lu and

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Speaker 2: I think it's from like a it's from an album

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Speaker 2: of like demos from another album they had, so you're

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Speaker 2: getting like so they're even like more low fi than

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Speaker 2: what the album cuts are, but they're just like you know,

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Speaker 2: like any anytime you hear demos, they're really interesting to

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Speaker 2: me just as a musician because you kind of hear

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Speaker 2: these like musical like it's like a musical note that

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Speaker 2: they're just like put jotting down to come back to

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Speaker 2: and already has so much like texture and flavor to it.

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Speaker 2: It's really dumpe. So this is by the Holy Drug Couple.

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Speaker 2: So check that out, all right, well. The Daily Zeitgeist

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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us this morning, back this

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Speaker 1: afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you all then.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye,