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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome to the Drive.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale LOLLI he is Matt Williamson, and uh, well,

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Speaker 1: here we sit on Tuesday, Mike Tomlin having his press

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Speaker 1: conference today. Week one is completely in the books.

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Speaker 2: And well last night quite a game, quite a game,

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Speaker 2: quite a turn of events.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all that New York Jets love out the window.

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Speaker 2: You got a feel for that fan base and Rogers,

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Speaker 2: and I mean.

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Speaker 1: Four of that. They're from New York, so I don't

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Speaker 1: feel anything for that fan base, but.

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Speaker 2: I do want to commend the NFL though. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I love the nine, ten, nine to eleven back to

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Speaker 2: back New York games. I thought that was a cool

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Speaker 2: touch and obviously centered it around Rogers' triumphant showing for

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Speaker 2: the Jets. Gonna change the franchise like no one since Joe.

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Speaker 1: We changed the franchise.

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Speaker 2: All right, Wow, I mean out for the year. In

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Speaker 2: case people don't know, do you think he plays again?

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Speaker 1: That's a tough injury to come back from.

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Speaker 2: Four injury his age, and man.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that he you know, is he going

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Speaker 1: to be rehabbing that while he's off at his retreat,

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Speaker 1: you know, in his darkness room?

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean, is he gonna do all the

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Speaker 2: physical stuff you need to do to get that back?

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Speaker 2: And he'd ever be the same to begin with it

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Speaker 2: at that age, so so many layers to unpeel with

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Speaker 2: that too, Like in a way, good for Zach Wilson.

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Speaker 2: He gets another shot to see if he can be

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Speaker 2: a top five pick type of player. Who knows there's

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Speaker 2: also the layer and it's small potatoes for the Jets.

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Speaker 2: But now they won't lose their first round pick.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they still give up a second a second

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Speaker 1: for four four plays of Aaron Rodgers, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure season ticket wise it helped them.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure there's a lot of twelve jerseys in there.

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Speaker 1: So you did all that stuff. So maybe in the

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Speaker 1: grand scheme of things, the second round pickersworth it.

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Speaker 2: But in reality, but it's not helping you win you know,

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Speaker 2: the AFC East anymore.

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Speaker 1: And so I mean, if you look at the shakeup

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Speaker 1: of things met, not only so they they got that,

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Speaker 1: they had the loss of Aaron Rodgers. It's almost like

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Speaker 1: the Steelers win last year in Cincinnati where you win

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Speaker 1: the game, but you lose TJ. Watt for an extended period, right,

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Speaker 1: you know it's going to be an this is this

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Speaker 1: is a season long thing though. It's a quarterback, and

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Speaker 1: it's a quarterback that you're playing the most different, one

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Speaker 1: of the most difficult schedules in a league, much like

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Speaker 1: the Steelers did last year. But you look at that,

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Speaker 1: So Buffalo takes a loss.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: The Chargers lost, the Bengals lost, the Bills lost.

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Speaker 2: The Chiefs. The Chiefs lost, like the three teams everyone

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Speaker 2: thought were like guaranteed to win their division. Yeah, as

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Speaker 2: well as the Chargers. As you said, Yeah, so the

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Speaker 2: AFC for the Steelers doesn't look that terrible. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: but you got to win this week. You got to

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Speaker 2: in this of course. But you would rather the Jets

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Speaker 2: win that game than the Bills.

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Speaker 1: Because the Jets aren't going to be in it for

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Speaker 1: the long troble this point.

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Speaker 2: I tweeted out last night, I think the Jets and

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Speaker 2: Cowboys have the two best defenses in the league. And

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Speaker 2: then a lot of people like, what about the Niners,

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Speaker 2: My guy, I think they're right behind them. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they're really really good too, but they're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: win every game like that. It's gonna be Breesaw and

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Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook like crazy and hand the ball off and

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Speaker 2: play great defense and hope to make a play on

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Speaker 2: special teams. And with that schedule, Yeah, that's I don't

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Speaker 2: know if they could get the five hundred or better

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Speaker 1: Know, WI hope Garrett Wilson makes a ridiculous play.

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Speaker 2: And he'll keep people on. It's still a little bit

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Speaker 2: having a receiver like that. I mean, so they're not

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Speaker 2: win the whole thing anymore.

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Speaker 1: But they went out and got all these Packer receivers

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Speaker 2: So they come out and say, Zach Wilson's our starter,

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Speaker 2: as they should, and they have to receive that way.

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Speaker 2: You know, they invested in.

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Speaker 1: Every coach that lost a player this weekend, including Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 1: You come out the next press conference say, well, we

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Speaker 1: believe in our guys. That's what you say.

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Speaker 2: That's what you say.

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Speaker 1: You might not believe it in your heart of hearts,

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Speaker 1: but that's what you say.

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Speaker 2: And deep down you know, he's not as good as

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Speaker 2: a starter starting, of course.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise you wouldn't have traded for and tried to trade

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Speaker 1: for other guys.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not optimistic that Wilson redeems his career. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he's gonna have a legit opportunity to good for him.

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Speaker 2: He's frankly been basically the worst quarterback in the league

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Speaker 2: since he's gotten here. But there's a chance he was

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Speaker 2: at least a high pick. Maybe he's learned some stuff

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Speaker 2: and cal hmed down. But what do you do the

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Speaker 2: rest of the year. Do you go sign Carson Wentz?

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Speaker 1: Do you go, well, they have to get somebody because

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Speaker 1: they only have one. They have Tim Boyle on the roster. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was on the practice squad, like anybody could have

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Speaker 1: signed Tim Boyle.

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Speaker 2: And that's not obviously the I mean he's a third, yeah,

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Speaker 2: if he's fortunate, But I mean, do you have a

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Speaker 2: quarterback for next year? Now?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know Kyler Murray?

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Speaker 2: I mean, or are you trying to get a Carson Wentz?

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Speaker 2: You know, off one?

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Speaker 1: And here becomes the problem with that. Then you turn

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Speaker 1: into the Colts where you turn in you know, this

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Speaker 1: team is okay, We're gonna. I think the Colts said

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Speaker 1: this was the seventh straight year they've had a different

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Speaker 1: starting course. Luck retired seven consecutive years, right, and you

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Speaker 1: just spin your wheels and spind your wheel and that's

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Speaker 1: not a business that you want to be in. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean the AFC and even we talked about this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I mean the AFC North, Yes, the the Browns and

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Speaker 1: Ravens both started one to oh, but neither one of

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Speaker 1: them were particularly impressive.

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Speaker 2: Defense was but that was you know, give them credit

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Speaker 2: or blame Sincey for that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a little bit of both.

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Speaker 1: I mean we saw, you know what what Cincinnati's offense

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Speaker 1: looked like a year ago at home against the Steelers

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Speaker 1: in that opener, after the quarterback didn't play the entire preseason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I mean the AFC is in an odd

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Speaker 2: we just got Chris Jones and Kelsey's probably coming back.

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Speaker 2: I think will probably be might be okay this year,

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Speaker 2: you know. But I mean Steeler fans are not alone,

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Speaker 2: and we're in trouble all of a sudden.

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Speaker 1: It's one game. Yeah that I've heard people on on

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Speaker 1: on social media. This is the worst Steelers lost in

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Speaker 1: the opener ever. Do they don't remember night? Are they?

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Speaker 1: Are you that young that you don't remember nineteen eighty nine?

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Speaker 1: I don't. Fifty one nothing? Oh okay, fifty one nothing?

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Speaker 1: And then they lost the next week forty one to ten,

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Speaker 1: and that much to Cleveland and Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: I did the Night Show with Wolf last night, and

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Speaker 2: he was on that team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not gonna forget about that.

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Speaker 2: Because I think Rob kicked me right off the bat

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Speaker 2: and he's in I'm big, and I basically said, well,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't get much worse than that, and Wolf's like, whoa,

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Speaker 2: I've been there. I was on the field. It gets

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Speaker 2: you know, like you said, they got blown out the

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Speaker 2: second game too, but only by like forty five points.

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Speaker 1: But he's like thirty five five.

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Speaker 2: But then he's like, then we can came back and

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Speaker 2: beat the Browns in the week eight. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: the NFC championship game.

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Speaker 1: They yeah, football such a and the Steelers were almost there.

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Speaker 1: That's not even the worst Steelers opener that I've covered,

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys nineteen ninety seven. This was not a great

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Speaker 1: Cowboys team in ninety seven, came into Pittsburgh and beat

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Speaker 1: the Steelers thirty seven to seven. Wow, and just I

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Speaker 1: mean did whatever they wanted. The Steelers turned the ball

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Speaker 1: over a couple of times, but they had eighty nine

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Speaker 2: I also find it weird that why are we comparing

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Speaker 2: who cares?

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Speaker 1: But that's the one Again. I think that the issue

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Speaker 1: is is that everybody gets all geared up. Well, this

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Speaker 1: was supposed to be the year.

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Speaker 2: Bad game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you had a bad game against a good team,

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Speaker 1: and that's what happens when that happens. I might added

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Speaker 1: that ninety seven team, Both of those teams that got

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Speaker 1: ninety or eighty nine team finished nine and seven in

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Speaker 1: the first playoff game. Uh, the ninety seventeen win eleven

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Seasons not over. Folks. Yeah, I mean it wasn't

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Speaker 2: a good day, and there was injuries that ensued as well.

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Speaker 2: So it's not looking great right now. But that doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean they can't beat the Browns at home and turn

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Speaker 2: this thing around quick well.

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Speaker 1: And I think there are some some similarities here, Matt.

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Speaker 1: In those games that that Cleveland Browns team and that

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Speaker 1: Bengals team in eighty nine that the Steelers played early

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Speaker 1: in the season, those were both playoff hardened teams. At

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Speaker 2: They were strong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Cleveland Cincinnati had been to a couple

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Speaker 1: of Super Bowls with that group.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's like the Boomer years.

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Speaker 1: That was a Boomer. Yeah, Cleveland had had They'd lost

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Speaker 1: those games, but they'd been to AFC championshipsfield much like this,

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Speaker 1: this this San Francisco team. Oh yeah, yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: a team that knows how to win. They've they've been

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Speaker 1: together for a while. They know how to win. Same thing.

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Speaker 1: You know, with that Cowboys team in ninety seven, you

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Speaker 1: still had guys on that roster on that team, but

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Speaker 1: still yeah, you still had guys that were you know,

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Speaker 1: had taken that team to four Super Bowls.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you didn't have a quarterback on his

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Speaker 2: eighth starts or whatever. I mean, I guess the Niners

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Speaker 2: just to two. But you know, we get the point.

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Speaker 2: And that's not making excuses for the Steelers, but losing

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Speaker 2: the hardened playoff teams. You know it's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. They're not going to be intimidated by

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Speaker 1: you know, oh, we got to go cross country to

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Speaker 2: That just didn't phase. Yeah, those guys, I'm sure, and

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Speaker 2: obviously real quick on the Jets, do you think they

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Speaker 2: go get a Jamis or a Minshew or a Trubisky

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Speaker 2: or try to even aim higher. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 2: know how much money you can invest in the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had to really work hard to keep this

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Speaker 1: It's really easy to wake up and say, you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean, how many how often do you

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Speaker 2: Heck no, no, I didn't even think of the JJ

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Speaker 1: The only thing about that. The opponent this week, the

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Speaker 2: You have to assume it's tough on everybody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that everybody else. You know that it's easier now

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Speaker 1: we just didn't get the dime situations all seven times.

439
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Speaker 1: In fact, that was it.

440
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wonder if it would be different going forward.

441
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Speaker 2: To me, I kind of looked at that Porter Peterson

442
00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,520
Speaker 2: situation sort of nine or specific that one. Guys that

443
00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,119
Speaker 2: are more apt to do their best work in the

444
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Speaker 2: middle of the field, you know, Yeah, they don't have

445
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Speaker 2: to tack outside the numbers much. That's not really a

446
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Speaker 2: Porter game.

447
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we'll see how that changes. But certainly the

448
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Speaker 1: Steelers have their work cut out with them or cut

449
00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,240
Speaker 1: out for them, and would be a problem. Yeah, well,

450
00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,040
Speaker 1: and two would be a problem. Although, as I mentioned

451
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Speaker 1: at the start of the show, here a lot of

452
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Speaker 1: the teams in the a f C that that you

453
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Speaker 1: looked at and said, well, these are your potential playoff teams.

454
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Speaker 1: They all lost too.

455
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Speaker 2: Bengals could be going too, yeah, yeah, I mean that's

456
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Speaker 2: a good chance an AFC North team is going two.

457
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean, would it surprise you if all

458
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Speaker 1: three are all four teams are one and one after

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Speaker 1: week one week.

460
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Speaker 2: I think they're all going to go three and three

461
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Speaker 2: in the division. I said that going in gonna going

462
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Speaker 2: to hang on to it.

463
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Speaker 1: Again.

464
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Speaker 2: It was a bad loss of San Francisco, but it

465
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Speaker 2: was an NFC team. Yeah, it doesn't hurt you as bad.

466
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Speaker 1: Doesn't hurt you as bad. And well, I know the

467
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Speaker 1: Steelers haven't won or haven't lost a Monday night game

468
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Speaker 1: at home since I've covered the team. Yeah, you got

469
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Speaker 1: to go back into the A for the last time

470
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Speaker 1: that happened.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the fan base will be all looped up,

472
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Speaker 2: and you.

473
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Speaker 1: Know, maybe they'll actually not sell their tickets this time

474
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Speaker 1: and show up for the game. And yeah, you know

475
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Speaker 1: it won't be Browns fancy. I would not expect that

476
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Speaker 1: to happen.

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Speaker 2: That was an oddity to me. I didn't see that coming,

478
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Speaker 2: to be honest with.

479
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Speaker 1: You, and I get it. I mean, I'm not I'm

480
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Speaker 1: not ripping the fans at all. You got to do

481
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Speaker 1: do what you want to do it. You bought the tickets,

482
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Speaker 1: You do with what you want with them. But yeah,

483
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Speaker 1: I mean, you'd like to see the fans base show

484
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Speaker 1: up and be ready to go for a Monday night

485
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Speaker 1: game at home. That's that's huge. We're going to take

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Speaker 1: a break. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lollie.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Driver on Steelers Nation Radio. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're going to take a break when we come back. Well,

489
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Speaker 1: we'll see what what that loss meant for the Steelers

490
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Speaker 1: in the power rankings. He is Power Ranking Tuesday. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll get we'll get to that right after this Tanger

492
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Speaker 1: outlets or visit us online at shop dot Steelers dot com.

493
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Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lellye. You're listening

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Speaker 1: to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio, and it

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Speaker 1: is Tuesday. We've got week one in the book, so

496
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Speaker 1: it's time to take a look at the the Power

497
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Speaker 1: rankings here on NFL dot com. He's done by Eric

498
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Speaker 1: Edholm this year and at number thirty two checking in

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Speaker 1: are the Arizona Cardinals, And yeah, they stink.

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Speaker 2: If I were doing Power ranks today, and this obviously

501
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Speaker 2: applies to the Steelers, I would put more stock in

502
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Speaker 2: all the homework I did before Week one than Week one. Yeah,

503
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 2: there was a lot of bad weather games. There were

504
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Speaker 2: some rusty Joe Burrow quarterbacks, things of that nature. There were,

505
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Speaker 2: but that matters. I mean, obviously there's a lot of

506
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Speaker 2: weight there. I would make a lot of changes to

507
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Speaker 2: my preseason poll, but I would still look at the

508
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Speaker 2: Cardinals and be like, yeah, you showed up against a

509
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 2: bad wash in the team, but you really don't have

510
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 2: any talent and you're really bad.

511
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Speaker 1: They had two hundred and ten total yards of offense

512
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Speaker 1: and thirteen first downs. They had nine penalties for one

513
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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty two yards.

514
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Speaker 2: Oh that far, that's bad, really bad.

515
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Speaker 1: Yeah, at thirty one the Houston Texans.

516
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were overwhelmed. If they're a lined.

517
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Speaker 1: Yeah, if the Ravens had played anybody else outside of Arizona,

518
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 1: they might lose that game.

519
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Houston's in for a really long year.

520
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 2: I know we'll get to the Carolina here sooner than later.

521
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Speaker 2: But those two rookie quarterbacks, I guess the Colts as well,

522
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Speaker 2: the three rookie quarterbacks might not win many games this year.

523
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Colts fall a spot to thirty.

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Speaker 2: They hung around for a while. I mean it wasn't great,

525
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 2: but Jackson took to Jacksonville a while to get control

526
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Speaker 2: of that game.

527
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Speaker 1: Yeah, moving down three spots to twenty nine. The Chicago Bears.

528
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Speaker 2: They didn't do anything to make me think they were

529
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Speaker 2: any better. Yeah, their passing game wasn't better, the defense

530
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Speaker 2: was atrocious. They might be lower for me.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's hard to be lower than those three team

532
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Speaker 1: below them. Yeah. Yeah. At twenty eight down nine spots,

533
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: the Giants.

534
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean the Steelers are sort of in

535
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Speaker 2: the same boat in terms of embarrassing losses one game,

536
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 2: but that one was worse.

537
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Speaker 1: That was worse because it was they couldn't move the

538
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: ball offensively. They couldn't move they couldn't stop any anything.

539
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: When the when the Cowboys actually did run their offense.

540
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Speaker 2: Which they kind of went through the motion, and their

541
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 2: special teams were awful, were awful. I mean the thing

542
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 2: of worrying most is like they couldn't block anybody. Yeah,

543
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 2: I mean there was a ton of sacks, and I

544
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Speaker 2: don't love how that team built. I mean, Barkley's fine,

545
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 2: but like you're big, you're the nucleus of your offense

546
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Speaker 2: is Barkley, who's a running back and Daniel Jones, who

547
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Speaker 2: I think who's a running back, right, and you don't

548
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Speaker 2: block anybody.

549
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Speaker 1: At twenty seven down two spots in Carolina Panthers.

550
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Speaker 2: They'd be even lower for me too. I still think

551
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Speaker 2: the Giants beat the Panthers had the head right now.

552
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 2: Carolina off We talk a lot of fantasy Carolina offense

553
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 2: to me isn't far off from Arizona's in terms of

554
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Speaker 2: streaming defense.

555
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, in their defense, they didn't have any of

556
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Speaker 1: the receivers.

557
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 2: Healthy they did in that game, but they're not that

558
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: good to begin with. Yeah, right right.

559
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Speaker 1: At twenty six up four spots, the Rams.

560
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Speaker 2: I'll give them that is that.

561
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Speaker 1: The was that game the Rams playing well or Seattle

562
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Speaker 1: playing really poorly.

563
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Speaker 2: I'm more worried about Seattle being bad than thinking the

564
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 2: Rams all of a sudden are good. Right, But Stafford

565
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: played really really well and we know he's good. Yeah,

566
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: you know.

567
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Speaker 1: At twenty five down one spot the Patriots.

568
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: I thought they played okay. They exceeded my expectations. I

569
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Speaker 2: don't know what they will for the year. I mean,

570
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: it's still going to be a slog.

571
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Speaker 1: Yeah. At twenty four up four spots Tampa.

572
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 2: Bay, they exceeded my expectations, and I guess they belong

573
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Speaker 2: that high. I mean, I don't know on the neutral field,

574
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 2: they're favored over the Patriots right now. It seems a

575
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: little rich, but it's a good win. Yeah.

576
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: At twenty three up four spots the Raiders.

577
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Speaker 2: They did okay, that might be the highest they are

578
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Speaker 2: all year. I don't have much faith in the team.

579
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Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, it was

580
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Speaker 1: a seventeen to sixteen game, Yeah, against an offense that

581
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 1: last year was not very good.

582
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 2: No, and didn't look particularly good in this game either.

583
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: It wasn't that impressive of a win.

584
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Speaker 1: Right at twenty two, holding Steady the Titans.

585
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Speaker 2: I guess they're hard to play against. They play defense.

586
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: The other line's bad though, really bad, Yeah, really bad.

587
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

588
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Speaker 1: At twenty one, up two spots Washington.

589
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 2: Ooh, I don't know if i'd move them up for

590
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 2: squeaking by Arizona.

591
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had like two hundred and twenty yards of offense.

592
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, how didn't have a great game. I mean again,

593
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 2: they had the easiest opponent of the league and didn't impress.

594
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Speaker 1: At twenty holding Steady the Denver.

595
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Speaker 2: See one thing about power ranks that when I used

596
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Speaker 2: to do them, everyone always complained, how on earth could

597
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 2: you possibly have Denver or over the Ringers. They just played.

598
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: They just showed you this. I still think they played

599
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: one hundred and eleven times. Denver wins that series.

600
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Raiders have owned them.

601
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: That's a good point. That individual matchup is a Raider thing.

602
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, at nineteen down five spots are the Steelers.

603
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 2: You've got to move them down. It's an ugly showing.

604
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 2: And now they have some injuries. See who's above them?

605
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't. They would be last in the

606
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Speaker 2: North for me right now.

607
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Speaker 1: At eighteen down five spots or Seattle and see that's

608
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Speaker 1: where that's where I'm looking at. Like Steelers loss to

609
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: we haven't yeah, we haven't gotten to yet. And the

610
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: Seattle's loss at home to a team that was well

611
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Speaker 1: below them.

612
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: They were like a touchdown favorite.

613
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a there's a big difference.

614
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: A big difference. And I think most people had those

615
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: two teams at least on the same tier preseason wise.

616
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Speaker 2: I like the Steelers chances over Seattle.

617
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Speaker 1: At seventeen down two spots. The Vikings the same thing,

618
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: same thing. You lost, You lost at home to a

619
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Speaker 1: subpar team.

620
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, all three lost at home. One of them lost

621
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Speaker 2: to a Super Bowl contender, one of them lost to

622
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: the Bucks, one of them lost to the Rams. They

623
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: might both pick in the top five. Right, it's sixteen

624
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: Minnesota is that could begin with? Right? Yeah? Their defense

625
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: is bad?

626
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sixteen up a spot? Is Atlanta?

627
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 2: Fine? I mean it was a pretty no. Is it

628
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 2: ever going to be pretty no to fantasy owners want.

629
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: To strangle yes again with the with the taking a

630
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: guy in the top ten and not making it the

631
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: focal point of your offense.

632
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 2: Especially London. They didn't catch a ball, but they found

633
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: a way to win. And one thing I will say

634
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: that I heard some Atlanta reporter or somebody does something

635
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: similar to what we do, saying they knew that the

636
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 2: Carolina's offense wasn't moving the football, so they were just

637
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: unbelievably conservative on the offense. They didn't have to dig

638
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: in deep. Okay, fine, I threw like eighteen passes.

639
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: From like twenty seven yards were.

640
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: Talking off the air. I think his average after the

641
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: target was two yards. It was either two point zero

642
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: or three point oh crazy average ball came out of

643
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: his hands, that's how far he threw it down the field.

644
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: So I fiva he threw one go ball to Pits

645
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: forty yards down the field. That means he threw like

646
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 2: twenty behind the line of scrimming.

647
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: Essentially, he spent a day handing off.

648
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're long, couple passes the easiest to throws ever.

649
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: At fifteen up six spots, green Bay.

650
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 2: I'm cool with that. Green Bay to me is ahead

651
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 2: of the Steelers. They're impressive. They whipped up on a

652
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: bad Bears team. I'm cool with that.

653
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: At fourteen up two spots, the Saints.

654
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: M I'd have green Bay over the Saints. Saints had

655
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: some good things, like the weapons, cars played well, it

656
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: was a grass of defense is pretty good.

657
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: At thirteen up five spots, Cleveland.

658
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: Fine, I don't have qualms with that. I mean, they

659
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: did run the ball well.

660
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have moved I understand moving Cleveland up. Sure,

661
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: they won, they won, in some other teams that were

662
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: ahead of them lost. My problem is if Baltimore moves

663
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: up a bunch based on what they did, if they

664
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: were not impressive at all, they weren't.

665
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: Impressed at all. Browns did some good things, Chubb, the defense,

666
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: et cetera. But to my earlier point, I would not

667
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: have the Browns over the Bengals. No, and that game

668
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: wasn't competitive either. For right, I mean like, if you

669
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: think the Steeler offense was bad, the Bengals was. I

670
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 2: mean for eighty two yards, I mean I think their

671
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: longest reception was twelve yards and they were losing the

672
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: whole game.

673
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: At twelve holding steady the Chargers.

674
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean they battled a semi equal team.

675
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: They get some defensive issues. For as many stars as

676
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: they have supposed stars that they have on defense, their

677
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: defense stinks ear in and ear out in their heads

678
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: and their head coaches a defensive guy.

679
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they keep investing in it and giving jack J. C.

680
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: Jackson and Khalil Mack and both all these guys money,

681
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: and it doesn't look any better.

682
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. At eleven down six spots, Cincinnati, you have.

683
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: To ding them. I mean, it was a miserable performance

684
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: on one side of the ball. The defense played fine.

685
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: That's probably the lowest they'll be all year.

686
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: T Higgins eight targets, no catches, no catches.

687
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: No catch. I mean, Burrow was like the worst quarterback

688
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: in the league besides Daniel.

689
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: Jones and their offensive line. It's not fixed.

690
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: No, I don't think that's fixed yet.

691
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: At ten down three spots, good, he moved him down.

692
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: I didn't look at these before. I are the Ravens good?

693
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: They should go backwards if yeah, thing I mean it

694
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: was not a win is a win?

695
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: Is a win? Yeah?

696
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: You lose JK Dobbins for the year. Ronnie Stanley's you know, hurting,

697
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: Tyler Linderbaum's hurting. Those guys are weak to week you

698
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: mentioned you lose your your your starting starting free safety.

699
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: Who's you know, the best guy in your secondary he's

700
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: out for an extended amount of time. Like they're in trouble.

701
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: No, it was a rough week for the for the Ravens.

702
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: Fortunately for them, they got a w in the process.

703
00:30:58,680 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: But I think a lot of that's just who they play.

704
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: And they've beat Washington or you know, I mean, I

705
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: don't know if they'd beat Joe average team.

706
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: Or average team by the same token at number nine

707
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: up one spot. He has the Jets, Like, if you're

708
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: going to factor in the injuries.

709
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, you still don't have a good quarterbacks.

710
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't tell me. The Jets are the ninth

711
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 1: best team in the league right now with Zach Wilson

712
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: a quarterback.

713
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: I do think their defense is elite, and I don't

714
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: use that word easily. I mean, I certainly wouldn't have

715
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: them over the Bills, But Jets are Bengals. If you

716
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: were doing a power rag Bengals Beals. Yeah, Like if

717
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: they played right now, in New York. I think the

718
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: Bengals are favored if it was Week two. Yeah, so

719
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: that's I said, Let alone if it was since at.

720
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: Eight down, five spots are Buffalo.

721
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: They had a really tough test last night, but their

722
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: line was junk against the Steelers. Their line was bad

723
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: last year. And I love Allen. I think Josh Allen's

724
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: a great player. But all I could think about is

725
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: this guy is so reckless. I mean, with his body,

726
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: his decisions. They had four turnovers last night in a

727
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: game they probably should.

728
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: And they were all him.

729
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 2: They're all him throwing at the whitehead from Pitt, you know,

730
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: Like I know the Jets defense is kind of his

731
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: kryptonite and gives them all kinds of problems and does

732
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: to a lot of people. But I still also don't

733
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: quite understand. I thought James Cook looked good. If I'm

734
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: the Bills, I want Jerome Bettis.

735
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, give me somebody that when the weather turns bad.

736
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah he's not. He's gonna have, you know, steady footing.

737
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: I want to mutter and lean on him on first downs,

738
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: even in a game like.

739
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: That where you take a couple of tackles, they just

740
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: beat up on something get five yards and it's my

741
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: quarterback doesn't have to do that, and I know I'm.

742
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: Downn to do it. Yes, I want to do three

743
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: times a game, not twelve.

744
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: It's seven up two spots. This was the Jaguars, Okay,

745
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't real clean. Yeah, they didn't play

746
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: that well against a bad Indianapolis team.

747
00:32:53,600 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure if the Bills, Jets, Bengals or Ravens improved

748
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: of their stock, the Jags wouldn't be this fortunate. And

749
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: it seems like there's people around them falling.

750
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: That might be a little bit of chep this week.

751
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris Jones back, and.

752
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 1: Well we'll see what kind of shape Chris Jones is in.

753
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what Kelsey story is.

754
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: Either at six up five spots or the Lions huge win.

755
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: I think they benefit too from the true power.

756
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: There's nowhere to go but down.

757
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, they play somebody good this week.

758
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: Uh they're at Seattle.

759
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm not believer in Seattle.

760
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: Any Yeah, at five up three spots or Miami their

761
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: offense was really If anybody benefited from Aaron Rodgers losing

762
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: and the Bills losing, it was the Miami Dolphins yeah, boy,

763
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean and playing a Chargers team that doesn't not

764
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: hold a lead, not at.

765
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: All, but they also go ran on for like two

766
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 2: and fifty yards two.

767
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, by the way, as I said, don't tell

768
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: me about how great Christian Wilkins is, because if you're

769
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: that great, you don't give up that kind of yardage.

770
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: I was impressed with two and I rarely say that.

771
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: And they did some really creative stuff. Not let people

772
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: get their hands on Tyreek and Waddle and those guys

773
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: are good. Their motion stuff they did the other day

774
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 2: it was pretty cool. Yeah, they're hard to play against.

775
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: At four up two spots Dallas.

776
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: What more do they have to do? I mean that

777
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 2: was his dominant performances.

778
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: Yea. They always beat the Giants like that, so there's

779
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: something bad.

780
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 2: They would be ahead of every team we mentioned so far.

781
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, at three down a spot is Philadelphia.

782
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: I get that because the two teams ahead of them, well,

783
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: one of the teams ahead of them was super impressive. Yeah.

784
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 2: I would have the Chiefs in the top two right now.

785
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean they won't. He's got this jack who

786
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl? How good are you right now?

787
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: Right now?

788
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 2: Yeah? My top three teams would all be in the NFC.

789
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: He only banged the Chiefs one spot, moved him down

790
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: from one to two, and of course Kansas or San

791
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: Francisco moves up a spot to number one.

792
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: I's like they got beat bad by the Lions. They

793
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: still could have won that.

794
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: Gay they still yeah, they still had a chance. But

795
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: the receivers are an issue. The offensive line is an issue.

796
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: How they're constructed today September twelfth. I don't think they're

797
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: the second best team in the league. They can easily

798
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 2: get back to being number one.

799
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: How about this. The only team in the AFC West

800
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: that won this week was the Raiders.

801
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, see what my mind goes to immediately seeing that.

802
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 2: And I know it's early, but that's good for wild

803
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: card chances.

804
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the Raiders as aren't. They're not gonna be

805
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: in for the long haul.

806
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: The Chiefs will be, you know, yeah, so those two

807
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: things will equal out. I want Denver and the Chargers

808
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: to lose, you know.

809
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, let those teams. Let those teams lose some of

810
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: these games like this.

811
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: The same with the Jets, same with the Bills, you know, yeah,

812
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: Miami and conference games, Yeah, exactly know. They didn't lose

813
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 2: the Niners.

814
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the loss of the Steelers had was tough.

815
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it.

816
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: It's a bad visual and it was a bad game.

817
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, But was it devastating in the grand scheme of things.

818
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 2: No, you lost to the number one team in the power.

819
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: Put it this way. You went four and oh in

820
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: your NFC games last year and didn't make the playoffs. Yeah.

821
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: If you could have swapped one of those out for

822
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: an AFC game, or two of them out for an

823
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: AFC game, you'd be in the postseason. Yeah, both agreed.

824
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: San Francisco's number one. It's not just because we saw him,

825
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: you know, right here, I think everybody. I'm glad that

826
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: the national people are putting them at one. Party's good enough.

827
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: Everything else is great.

828
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, like, that's the first time I've seen

829
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 1: Fred Warner in person.

830
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: Something.

831
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 1: He's something. I mean, he closes fast like Junior Saw

832
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: fast from the middle linebacker position, long.

833
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: Strides too, and you know, I mean he eats in

834
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: green Law and all those guys. They got some dudes.

835
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: They could certainly win the whole thing. And he's ever bad.

836
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ayuk is coming into his own as a player. There,

837
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: they're going to be a handful for who overplays them.

838
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. There, their schemes great, they're they're better than I thought.

839
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

840
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 2: I mean I knew they were good and it would

841
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: be a test, but they were better than I thought.

842
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean again, no, who do they this week?

843
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: Uh?

844
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 1: Somebody bad?

845
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah about it later, But I said, I wonder

846
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: what their spreads are going to look like?

847
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: I can tell you real quick. But they have the Rams,

848
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: So all that good feelings about that the Rams had

849
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: this week.

850
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: I remember seeing that line thinking it was not double.

851
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 1: Look at the So what they have next coming up next?

852
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: The Rams in La, the Giants. I'm sure that at home,

853
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: the Giants at home, and then the Cardinals at home.

854
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 2: They could be like they might.

855
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: They might get through these the first four weeks of

856
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: the season and only give up like twenty points.

857
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: I said, I bet they're like point differentials like plus

858
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: one twenty after four games. Yeah, over one hundred.

859
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's gonna be it's gonna be competitive. Yeah,

860
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: I mean it's just not based off what I saw

861
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: this week. No, like they're gonna they're gonna blow some

862
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: teams out I'm just looking here, and they get Dallas

863
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: at home, so they play three straight home games. Then

864
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: they're at Cleveland.

865
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 2: That's a tough game.

866
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: That's I mean, all the other AFC North teams that

867
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: still have to play that team, whether it's there.

868
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: Here either way. I mean two of them are on

869
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: the road. Yeah, obviously the Ravens and Bengals to go there.

870
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, good luck with that. At Minnesota, the Bengals at

871
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: home in week eight. Then they get their bye, then

872
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: they're at Jacksonville, Tampa Bay at home, at Seattle, at Philadelphia,

873
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: Seattle at home, at Arizona. They get the Ravens at

874
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: home in week sixteen at Washington, and then the Rams

875
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: at home.

876
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: I mean, they could certainly lose. I mean, they will

877
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Speaker 2: lose more than this, but they certainly could lose in Philly.

878
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 2: I bet they stumble in Cleveland or Jacksonville.

879
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, I don't see that happening without

880
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: a doubt. Yeah, it might be more than that. Like

881
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: I'm just I mean, maybe you lose one of those

882
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: division games at Seattle or something, because that's that seems

883
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: to be how that that goes up there. But you know,

884
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: maybe they lose to Dallas in a couple in Week.

885
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: Five, you know one of the you know, I don't.

886
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: I mean, they're a hard team play, that's yeah, we

887
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: don't know what the injury situation is.

888
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 2: Gotta look like they could lose two or three dudes

889
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: next week. Yeah, the way they're constructed, I don't see

890
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: a lot of loss.

891
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you take McCaffrey out of that equation,

892
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: it changes things quite a bit.

893
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was shocked he played quite as much as

894
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 2: he did too, Like when the game.

895
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: Was out of reach, he was he was still in there.

896
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Mitchell was healthy.

897
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so maybe they're trying to keep Mitchell healthy.

898
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: That's maybe. I mean, he's kind of important to them. Yeah,

899
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: but port is McAffrey. But no, not at all. Chris

900
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: mcaffre's pretty good.

901
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: It's pretty good.

902
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: Uh. That was though, No, No, Like, if you could

903
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 2: pick the best five players on any team, it's the Niners.

904
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Speaker 1: Yeah. That was Eric Edolmes NFL Power Rankings would Yeah,

905
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906
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Speaker 2: Very nice. How about that little present or gift there for?

917
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and today's question is about t J Watts, TJ

918
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: Water James Harrison, who had the most sacks as a

919
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: Steeler on Monday Night football.

920
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: Ooh, well, go Harrison. You probably know, I know, I

921
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: bet you did. I'm going Harrison. I'm sure he played

922
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: more Monday Night games. But what averages more sacks per.

923
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: What averages the most sacks per game? Now? After his

924
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: three sack game on Sunday than anybody in NFL history?

925
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

926
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: History.

927
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: He has the most quarterback hits, fumble, forced fumbles, and

928
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: sacks since joining the league and he's missed twelve games.

929
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: I'm guessing I mean something like a yeah, I mean

930
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: it's crazy.

931
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: That's why to me. You know, the key matchup this

932
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: week against the Cleveland Browns is rookie day one Jones

933
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: against TJ. Watt.

934
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's an enormous human being. Obviously, I think

935
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: he should have went a little earlier in the draft

936
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: than he did. I mean, there's talk about does he

937
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: love football, blah blah blah. He looks good in the preseason,

938
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: but boy, Wat's going to make him move his feet,

939
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, and change directions and cross his face

940
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: and set him up with speed and then loop across

941
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: and plus all the technical stuff and plus. I mean,

942
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: I know he probably gives up. Do you think give

943
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 2: us one hundred pounds to him? More than that? Probably more?

944
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: Probably more, yeah, way more than that. But I bet

945
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: he can go right down the middle of him too.

946
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: It'll be one hundred and twenty pounds, one hundred and thirty.

947
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: If you really get on a scale, you know, what

948
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: does that guy weigh?

949
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: Get the big fellow lean in one way.

950
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 2: And exactly you know, yeah, make him change the direction

951
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: and change feet, you know, guard Allen Iverson watching.

952
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: I like to when I'm at games, I will just

953
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: watch TJ. Watt work. It's like like, well, I used

954
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: to do the same thing when when Paula Malhu played,

955
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: Like I would just watch. I'd pick out like fifteen

956
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: plays a game and just watch where he's, where he starts,

957
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: where does he finish at, and just you know that

958
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I'll sit and watch. I'll get watch

959
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: my binoculars and just watch and like it's true. The

960
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: array of pass rush moves, the ferocity with which he

961
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: closes on the quarterback, it's like watching a lion tackle

962
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: a gazelle.

963
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: And all the hunting it took to get it.

964
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, you just appreciate it.

965
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: And that's what I was thinking, actually was for those

966
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: don't know, Dale has a pretty extensive baseball coaching background,

967
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 2: and I would bet for you it's almost like watching

968
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: a great picture work.

969
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: It's like watching Greg Maddox on the mound, like he's

970
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: hitting his spots. He's he's setting hitters up.

971
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: He's just and then a curve they jump or his

972
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: back door.

973
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: That that fastball, it's just got a little bit of

974
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: movement on it and just slides in the you know,

975
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: like the hitters going, wait a second, that was an

976
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: eighty seven mile an hour fast spawn. He just locked.

977
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: That just locked me up on it, like you watch

978
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: yeah right, I'm sure watching t J. Watt on tape,

979
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't blow you away, like, oh my god, yeah,

980
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: you're right, right right, But then you get in there

981
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: against him. We watched him, you know, in training camp,

982
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: showing that the other pass rushers uh and Nick Herbing

983
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: in particular, how to do that duck undermove and just

984
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: that long step that he takes to get under for

985
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: a guy like day One Jones, who's six foot.

986
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: Eight, he starts leaning on that.

987
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: He starts leaning on that, and then all of a sudden,

988
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: you like you, you you hit him with that twice

989
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: in a row, and then the next time you kind

990
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: of do that little fake and you go to the

991
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna get He's gonna fall over.

992
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: Man.

993
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: He might spend a cut. He might physically fall over

994
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: on his face a couple of times in this.

995
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: Game without really even getting knocked over, just like ah yeah,

996
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: and I sure. I mean when I said he's not

997
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: fall down, it came out of my mouth wrong, saying

998
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: he's not impressive on tape. I mean, he's not two

999
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: seventy five, he's not chiseled like Garrett. I'm sure, everyone

1000
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: immediately goes wow, his get off unbelievable and unbelievable, and

1001
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: you know who he is even before you watch on tape,

1002
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: of course, But he's not the most He's not the

1003
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: underwear Olympics guy, you know what I mean? But wow,

1004
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 2: I mean he's gonna feast. And I give him credit.

1005
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: I mean, nothing went right for the Steelers, but that guy,

1006
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: I mean the game he put up in that situation too,

1007
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: pretty remarkable.

1008
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: So how about this, and I'm just looking here in

1009
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: let's see one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight nine,

1010
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: ten games against the Browns in his career, TJ. Watt

1011
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: has fifty five tackles, fifteen sacks, an interception.

1012
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: That's the other thing too, is he picks the ball off.

1013
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: You know, he wasn't even like they were probably about

1014
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say six or seven plays and Pro Football

1015
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: Focus probably has this. That's what they are good for

1016
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: it that where he was in coverage in that game

1017
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: on Sunday.

1018
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The Browns actually did with Miles Garrett a

1019
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: little bit this past way too, which is a new

1020
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 2: wrinkle for them. But that's another thing that people don't

1021
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: think about all through Like Steeler history. You know Steeler

1022
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: three four history, Their edge guys used to drop like

1023
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 2: forty percent of the time. I remember Jason Gilden was

1024
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: up at camp and I think I asked him, like,

1025
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: what if you rush the pass or every play like

1026
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: a defensive end. He's like, I probably had five.

1027
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: More so, and they're throwing the ball more now too,

1028
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: so many it.

1029
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: Does balance out. But still compared to his contemporaries with

1030
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: sack numbers, he didn't have. Those guys didn't have as

1031
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: many opportunities. Now TJ doesn't drop in the coverage a

1032
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 2: lot anymore. Why on earth would.

1033
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: But you do it occasionally with you because he's getting

1034
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: so much attention. If you've got two guys over he's

1035
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: on the line of scrimmage, you got two guys over there.

1036
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: Of course there's a big tight end on that side, and.

1037
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: He drops out. You just wasted two guys blocking air.

1038
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: There's nobody there.

1039
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 2: And plus he bats down passes and he can catch

1040
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 2: the football too, I mean he does it will end

1041
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: up with a couple interceptions every year, Yeah.

1042
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I'm just trying to I want

1043
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: to see how many quarterback hits he has against the Browns.

1044
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: As well, Cavera a sack in the half game.

1045
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: Per game, like crazy numbers.

1046
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is.

1047
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's better than what Miles Garrett's done

1048
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: against Cincinnati when he's been Yeah, let's see here they

1049
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: get the team by team, but yes they do. This

1050
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: is on the Pro Football Reference. Well, they don't have

1051
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: the oh no, they do. In those ten games, he

1052
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: has twenty four quarterback hits.

1053
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: Wow, that's amazing.

1054
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: I mean, just you're just smashing. The only team he

1055
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: has more QB hits against is the Ravens, but he's

1056
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: played two more games against them.

1057
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sure a designed run by Lamar that you

1058
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: hit behind the line of scrimmage probably.

1059
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: Well, and they focus that's part of the focus of

1060
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: their defense. Go hit the quarterback, Go hit the quarterback. Yeah,

1061
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: if you look at this, you the one interception. He's

1062
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: got four pass defenses against the Browns, so getting his

1063
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: hands on the football.

1064
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: Along those lines. The Browns now have a running quarterback.

1065
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: They're gonna hit Watson a lot. Oh yeah, and he

1066
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: doesn't protect them. I think he used the Lamar rules here.

1067
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially as much as as Lamar Jackson or Deshaun

1068
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: Watson ran the ball last week. You treat him like

1069
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: he's lamar.

1070
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, every chance you get. I think you would, because

1071
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: they don't run a lot of read option where it's

1072
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: one or the other, right, I mean, he scrambles and

1073
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: there'll be a lot of times the don't even have

1074
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: a back in the backfield, and you know they'll go

1075
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: empty with running in mind.

1076
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: How about the I just I just saw this in

1077
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: his games against the Ravens, Bengals and Browns. When TJ.

1078
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: Watt plays the Steelers are twenty four eight and one.

1079
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: Wow. Pretty good?

1080
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1081
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 2: Wow. Wonder his collective numbers are or their points per

1082
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: game or things like that. Again, just the division with Watt,

1083
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure they're extremely strong.

1084
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, just looking here at his overall numbers when he

1085
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: plays the Steelers are let's see, seven, eighty seven fifty

1086
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: nine and two games he plays, Yeah, no, eighty seven,

1087
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, eighty seven, Stephen better, eighty seven twenty six

1088
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: and two. Is that right? No, that's not right now,

1089
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Fifty fifty nine, twenty six and two, fifty

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Speaker 1: nine to twenty six and two.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they win more than two three, more.

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Speaker 1: Than more than two out of three games.

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Speaker 2: Which would be like the best winning percentage of any

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Speaker 2: head coach in history.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they destroy the AFC North when he plays. Wow,

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Speaker 1: they own the AFC North when he plays. I mean

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Speaker 1: they've lost three times at the Bengals, four times to

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Speaker 1: the Ravens, and once to the Browns when TJ went plays.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think he's missed many of them obviously.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he obviously missed some last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, anyways, were remarkable. Yeah, we're overdue for a break.

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