WEBVTT - Bacon & Egg on Anthony Kim, Patrick Reed, & Other Big Golf Topics 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.800 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.920 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.920 And when I find my ball in a fried. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:11.440 Egg Friday egg, the dreaded Friday Friday, Frida fridagg Bride 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.080 Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the course. 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:40.880 Welcome back to the Friday Golf Podcast. I'm your host 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:45.960 Andy Johnson. Today I am joined by the great Shane Bacon, 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:50.800 obviously longtime friend of the pod, many many times on 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.600 the pod, many times guests. Shane soon great work with 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.560 broadcasting the Corn Ferry Tour as well as a show 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:02.920 on CBS Sports Network with Patrick MacDonald and Johnson Wagner. 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:03.600 Uh. 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.280 It has been a while since I caught up and 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:07.440 talked golf with Shane. 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:10.160 Uh. It was It was delightful. It's always nice to 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:13.640 have a real pro on like Shane. He knows how 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.800 to how to talk, how to how to move conversations 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.720 better than me, so it was fun to catch up. 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.560 I we both were on vacation last week. I so 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:25.720 much stuff has happened in the golf world. Obviously Anthony 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:29.120 Kim winning and and then all the all I mean 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:33.000 spent just a banging start to the PGA Tour season. 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.400 So we had hadn't kind of talked about this on 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.360 this pod, and I figured it would be a great 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:41.679 week to catch up with Shane and kind of talk 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:43.800 about the start of the year. So I hope you 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:48.120 guys enjoy Before we get to the pod, Uh, let's 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:52.120 talk about our friends at Cobaal. This is a company 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.880 that I, you know, Frankly, had never heard of before 0:01:55.560 --> 0:02:00.680 they approached us, and they make an awesome range I 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:03.800 have to say I've had a lot of rangefinders in 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:07.200 my life. This is the first one that I've had 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.640 that has optical zoom. 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So that's Cobalt dashgolf dot com. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.800 Fried Egg Pod fifteen, you get fifteen percent off. This 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:31.080 is an awesome rangefinder. I think it will elevate your 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:36.520 ability to get really cleanyardages. Check them out there, super 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:46.560 premium product. All right, let's get to Shane. All right, 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:50.119 I'm joined by Shane Bacon. I'm excited to talk with Shane. 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.720 We did our big deep dive on Anthony Kim, but 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:55.080 I most importantly I want to check. 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.280 In see how Shane's doing. You were you're a midst 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:57.839 of blizzard. 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:02.040 You're you're recording this, you know, during a during a 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.720 you know, horrific snowstorm in the Northeast. 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:06.160 How are you hanging in there? 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.200 Yeah, dude, we were. The fan was in the Bahamas 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:15.320 last week and you fly home from seventy five on 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:19.520 the beach every day to to kind of the dude, 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:21.960 it's not just the snowstorm and PJ. I'd love to 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:23.960 have you chime in as well. But it's not just 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:28.520 the snowstorm. It's the anticipation of the snowstorm that I've 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:30.480 learned is just as scary when you live in a 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:32.960 cold area. Andy. I know, obviously you dealt with this 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:34.760 a lot in Chicago, not so much where you live 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.600 right now. But it's not just the weather. It's the 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.440 four days leading up to it. It's the canceled school 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:42.680 emails you get a day or two before. I mean, 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.360 everything that exists in my town is canceled today. So 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.160 this is actually a nice break because I was shoveling 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:49.400 about forty five minutes ago. 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:50.600 Are you are you? 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:54.640 PJ can't talk on this, unfortunately, he's in the producer share, 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:58.800 which doesn't allow him to join in like other podcasts 0:05:58.880 --> 0:05:59.080 we have. 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:02.560 But the I would agree. 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:07.960 I the thing I dislike the most is that the 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:12.800 you can't like the rush to the grocery store like 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:16.640 it's an apocalypse. Yep, And I get you don't want 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:20.000 to go around, I understand, but the rush to the 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:24.000 store starts four days ahead of time, and anybody that 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:28.080 does grocery shopping if you shop four days ahead of 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.760 time so you can get everything you want by the 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.800 time the snow comes, you're running out of stuff again. 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.239 All gone, especially with kids. Like fruit. 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:41.520 Yeah, like berries don't last, no, you know, very long. 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.680 Yeah, no, one hundred. It was funny. It's like Hunger 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:47.760 Games with the grocery stores. It feels like COVID with 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.480 the paper towels. And I was just at a resort 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.280 with the family and they would run out of beach 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.280 towels around two pm. So I just went from like 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:59.520 this hunger game beach towel situation where everybody would like 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.560 take five to their rooms and just leave them there 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.120 so they had some for later in the day to 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.440 now I'm dealing that with groceries. But I think we 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.760 went twice in the last day kind of preparing for this. 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.800 But alas I know people love talking about cold weather. 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.400 I will say I think there was a jealousy back 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.240 in the day, like early into living in the Northeast 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.160 of watching golf and beautiful areas, and now I just 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.080 love getting to see at least people happy and nice 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:27.640 weather like Riviera and Pebble Beach in places like that, 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:29.160 even if it's windy and a little bit cold. 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.160 I think that is you know, I think you know 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.040 this could be wen we can move to talking about 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.800 golf a little bit here. But I think this is 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.880 one of the things I saw a release last week. 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:45.520 I was on vacation also also in the Caribbean. I 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.720 hadn't been in the Caribbean since my honeymoon. Incredible place 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.320 for kids. Don't I don't think I'm I'm breaking any 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:57.080 news here. It was like the most rewarding trip I've 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.560 taken in a long time, in the sense of just 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.280 seeing the joy of my daughter's face every day of 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:03.560 like this the best you. 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.560 Know, you know what we could have been banana boat boys. 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:07.880 We should have chatted early about h where we're gonna 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:09.360 be and maybe we could have jumped out of banana 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:11.680 boat and gone like, you know, island to island or 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:12.760 something mid trip. 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.480 I do think you were in the Bahamas. I was 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:16.200 in Puerto Rico. 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:21.720 They're sneakily far away, I think, like I think one 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.880 of the misconceptions about Puerto Rico, and I think this 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.600 is because it's you know, it's part of the United States. 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.400 You think it's like right where, right where Cuba or 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:33.360 the Bahamas is, but then you look at a map 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.959 and you're like, holy cow, it is like, it's like 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:37.280 basically South America. 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.559 That being said, yeah, we could have. 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:43.679 We could have we could have linked up, we could 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.920 have figured out, we could have jointly discussed this and 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.199 both settled on the same place. I was visiting family 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.400 in Puerto Rico, so I wasn't going anywhere but Puerto Rico. 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.439 Andy, let me let me ask you a family vacation question. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.320 As a person in the golf world, do you ever 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:02.080 play golf on family trips. 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:09.080 I did not even consider bringing my clubs to Puerto Rico. Yeah, 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.800 I was with it was a shorter vacation because of 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:18.079 a couple reasons, and there was no way. I you know, like, 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.040 I think this is like different though I think it'd 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.920 be completely different if I wasn't in the golf industry. 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.480 I think if I wasn't in the golf industry, you 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:31.920 sneak in a round or two. But because I'm in 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:35.400 the golf industry and I regularly visit warm places in 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.760 winter by myself, where I play a lot of golf 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:42.880 the thought of and I'm away from my family a 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:47.079 decent chunk of time every year, a family vacation is 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:51.679 an ultimate no fly golf zone for me, what about you. 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:54.840 Oh, I mean totally the same. I mean not even 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:56.959 an ink clean of a thought. I actually emailed I know, 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.839 the head pro at Albany and I was an a 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:01.960 I saw, so I emailed him a couple of weeks 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:04.400 ago just to see if he was around, And it 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.320 was more a thought of midweek on the trip, if 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:08.800 I want to get away from the family, we were 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.559 thinking about doing kids club one day, could I sneak over. 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.080 I don't really like playing golf alone, you know. I mean, 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.240 I'll go play with somebody, but sneaking nine or eighteen 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.360 holes in right now in my life is not something 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.360 I'm that interested in. I'm also kind of losing the 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.679 interest in like ticking the clubs off that was a 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:28.880 big part of my life maybe five ten years ago. 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.120 Is like, I gotta play golf where I go somewhere. 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.600 I feel like my interest there's kind of waned a bit. 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:35.439 I just want to play with, you know, my friends, 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.920 or at my club or kind of a relaxing, exciting 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.400 day or a good competition. So no, not a not 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:43.599 a thought outside of an email where it was like 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:45.719 I could use rentals, it's thirty minutes away. I'm not 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:46.160 gonna do that. 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:51.719 I yeah, I think the best the best golf for 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.079 me at this point in my life is when you 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:57.280 get to do both where you see somewhere really cool 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.199 with friend. 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.840 Yeah, you know, and obviously I think that for everyone 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:03.920 is the peak golf. 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:08.199 Yesterday I played a you know, great new course in 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:12.360 Florida with a college buddy, and you know, the weather. 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.120 Was complete shit. We got poured on like a couple 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:19.040 of times. But I'll hold it. It was super windy. 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.520 I'll hold it probably as one of my favorite rounds 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:26.599 of the year, despite you know, getting like it was 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.760 like it felt like I jumped in the ocean. I 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:32.520 was illy prepared, didn't have a ranker. It was like 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:36.360 I jumped in the ocean, fully clothed on the golf course. 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.000 No matter how good the gear is, right at the 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.600 zero station, I didn't have anything to knock me off 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:42.080 the planet. 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.360 I was completely unprepared, didn't have any was it a 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.120 short stay T shirt. It just got caught in two 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.120 months soons on the golf course. As soon as I 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.480 was drying from the first month, soon a second month 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:54.120 soon hit me. 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:56.960 But anyways, the uh what I was. 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:05.120 Just gonna say, your comment about the enjoying watching golf 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:12.040 in nice places during winter. The PGA tour, it seems 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:15.240 like is circling. I saw some headline and I was 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:18.240 on vacation, so I did not like click into it, 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:23.160 but I was just scrolling social media during a downturn, downtime. 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.280 I saw the idea of like we want to own summer, 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.240 and I do think there is a certain appeal. And 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:35.120 when I think about, particularly to me outside the golf world, 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:39.240 my life before I was in golf, before I did 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:43.880 this for a living. One of the things that the 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:50.439 times I watched the most golf was actually during winter 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.960 when I had nothing to do and you know, there's 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:58.640 a blizzard and I can't go anywhere, and oh I 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:02.000 can watch beautiful riv Era or I can watch you know, 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:05.040 Kapellou is obviously one that always stands out in my mind, 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:09.240 and I do think that is like something they need 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.839 to consider before they do something, do you know, is 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.160 like do we want to give up because in the summer, 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:17.760 your audience is golfers. 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:22.360 They play golf right, especially on the weekend. 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.600 I mean that's the key, Like their golf is played 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.559 on Saturday and Sunday, afternoons, you know. I mean it's 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:29.920 it's a big part of their lives, like right now, 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:32.360 all my friends, and this has been a brutal winner 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.439 in the Northeast. It's been the toughest one since I've 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.839 lived up here. But this is the most golf I 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:40.800 watch by far each each year. It's always been my 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:42.800 favorite time of the year to watch golf when it's 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:44.920 West Coast golf and you're living on the East Coast. 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.360 And uh yeah, I mean it's I think it's the 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:48.679 reason they're you know, I mean, there's a lot of 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:52.400 reasons football is successful, but the most impactful, important parts 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.079 of the NFL and college football season happen as the 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.040 weather starts to deteriorate, right yeah. 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.800 And I think like the other thing about this, And 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.480 we just talked about this as is tangential. I did 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:08.480 not expect to be talking about this, especially at the 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:10.839 top of the podcast. But the other aspect of this 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.559 that I think, like a lot of people and this 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:17.280 is a generational thing. I worked at a country club 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:21.800 as a kid growing up. I saw the interaction. The 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:27.720 role you know, I predominant golf fan is is male. 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:33.160 It's middle aged males, and I will just say this 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:37.360 as someone who witnessed this. I think the role of 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:45.400 the father in the family has changed seismically in the 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:51.640 last twenty five years. And I think it's a generational thing, 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.040 are I you know, I'm speaking of our generation, which 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.480 are like peak parents right now, but also like right 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.720 in the demo of golf fans, like this is we 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:07.400 are the peak golf fan. Also like the you know, thirties, forties, 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:13.840 you know, male is just the primetime golf fan. I 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:18.440 will say that we spend more time on the weekends 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:22.320 with our children, significantly more time on the weekends with 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:27.720 our children than the two generations before us. And I 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.760 think that's also one of the tricky things about what 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:35.480 they're doing. Also, the predominant golf fans are you know, 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:41.120 you probably go southeast, Northeast and Midwest, and in the Midwest, 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:45.040 in the northeast, the and obviously you have west coast too, 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:49.120 But like in the Midwest and northeast, two huge swasps 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.400 of populations of golf fans. One of the big things 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:56.640 is the weekends in the summer are jammed with outdoor activities, 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:02.840 and if you're living in this environment where parents are 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:07.840 spending more times with their kids than ever on weekends. Also, 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:12.520 that's when these this subset of fans can play golf. 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:18.680 It is an interesting conundrum of you know, what is 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:23.960 this the best decision, because like, I don't know, there's 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.160 like if I'm gonna do it, if I was going 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:27.960 to do it, if I was thinking about it from 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.280 the sense of Brian Rollap or Tiger Woods, who's chairing 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:35.680 this competition's committee. The way I would think I'd solve 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.960 that is like can we just play all summer long 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:43.040 on the West Coast in primetime? Because that's the solution. 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:44.640 And I don't think they have. 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:45.840 Enough venues. 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.280 Or tournament sponsors that would be able to do that. 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.680 But you know, you know, you think about the doldrums 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:57.080 of the of the PGA tour schedule. It is like 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:02.520 July and July in the Midwest, and it's like I 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.960 don't want to be watching golf, but I have to 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.480 because I do it for a living. I want to 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.840 be outside with my kid doing stuff, and instead I'm 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.920 watching golf. And it's that stretch of like Rocket Mortgage three, 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:18.000 I'm John Deere where You're just like this just does 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:19.920 not fit the modern. 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:22.280 Parent schedule. 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:22.880 At all. 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.480 This is a wrench in the whole thing. 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.000 Yeah, I mean it's kind of that feeling. I don't 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:30.560 know if you're battling this right now. I feel like 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.040 I'm battling it kind of in my current position is 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.600 like where does my time go? Right? So I'm forty two, 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.120 I've got two young kids, I've got a job, I travel, 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:43.959 I've got a family. I also like to do stuff right. 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.000 I like to occasionally play golf with my friends or 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.239 go do whatever I do right. And then I've got 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.480 these obligations as a parent, and I've noticed that you 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:53.480 inevitably start to cut stuff out of your life, and 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.200 I've lost Like Andy, you and I have been NBA 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.800 fans for a long long time, and I've found myself 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.040 watching way less NBA that I've ever watched in my 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.840 life over the last couple of years. And that's kind 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.000 of I felt like being the cutout because that's on 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.240 at night, that's when I'm putting the kids down, or 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.359 that's when I'm spending time with my wife watching something. 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:12.879 And I think people are inevitably going to start to 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.080 cut stuff out as they get in the positions you 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.400 and I are talking about. The interesting thing you said 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:19.679 about the West Coast deal about the summer. I think 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:21.600 I've told you this story before, but you know, when 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.359 Fox had the USGA contract, I was a part of 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.920 the coverage at Pebble in twenty nineteen, and I remember 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:28.920 it went really well. It was our best US Open 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.879 by far. I mean, we'd had Shinnecock right before it, 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:33.840 and I thought Shinacock went well. But Pebble, I feel 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:35.680 like when was really really when we were running. You know, 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.240 we kind of had the two teams and Gil Hans 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.120 was a part of it, and like the whole team 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.680 just felt like we were like great synergy. Everybody was 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:44.879 rocking and rolling. And also we had Pebble Beach right 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.280 which is one of the most beautiful places to present 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.399 golf in the world. And I remember there was a 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.959 really high executive. There was a I think we had 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.399 like the beach club. On Saturday night, they had a 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:56.280 party for some people and they asked some of the 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.600 broadcasters to come by, and I went by and this 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.280 executive was not a golfer. He had not been a 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:03.560 golfer and knew very little about golf. He knew a 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.680 lot about TV and business, and he asked me. He said, 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:08.359 let me ask you a question. Why don't they have 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:09.640 the US Open here every year? 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:10.359 You know? 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.200 And of course I kind of explain, you know, the 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:13.959 US so Open travels around and it goes to these 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:17.760 different venues. But his point, I think, was why wouldn't 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:19.960 you have it at the most beautiful golf course in 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.680 the world that presents this well, that's also on in 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.120 primetime on the East Coast, And I think to your point, 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.000 it makes a lot of sense. I guess if your 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:30.520 roll aup in the team, the questions are what are 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:34.520 we selling? Are we selling eyeballs? Are we selling TV contracts? 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:35.600 Are we selling the product? 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:36.000 Right? Like? 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.480 What are we trying to sell to the masses? And 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:43.000 also business venture people in the background, investors all that stuff, 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:45.440 like what's the point of what are we trying to 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:48.359 get to here? And if it's to get ten million 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:50.560 people to watch golf, then maybe we do this thing. 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:52.920 If it's just simply to make the product better, maybe 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:54.920 we do this thing. And I do wonder. I feel 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.240 like golf's kind of been kind of caught in between 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:00.359 those two ideas over the last decade or so. 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.480 It's it's extremely as you kind of just hit on. 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:10.119 It's an extremely difficult dilemma because you know, and I 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:12.880 want to be clear, you know, there's like I'm kind 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.440 of both sides of this. I've for years been like 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:17.720 this is insane that we don't have a regular event 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:22.840 in Chicago, New York, right, Boston, Washington, d C. Philadelphia, 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:27.160 like these peak golf cities that are also major metro markets, 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:31.920 major television markets, major you know, huge, huge markets don't 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.399 have regular events. So if you want those regular events, 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:38.600 they also come with this this dilemma of like what 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:42.600 time are we playing golf? And and it's a live 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.840 sporting event, and it's so oh like well, like I'm 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:50.160 not doing something on the weekend outside instead I'm sitting 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:55.359 in and air conditioning watching pro golf like that it 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:57.440 kind of like cuts against what you want to do 0:20:57.760 --> 0:20:59.000 at that time of year. 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:02.800 Yet and then and then it's like it's like when 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:04.879 you when you're when you're consuming TV in the summer, 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:06.879 it's just tough for me. I mean, I have like 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:10.399 the TV outside in the backyard. But to your point earlier, 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:13.800 there's all these other things you not only feel obligated 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:15.879 to do, whether it's play with your kids, or you know, 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:17.879 go get away from the house, spend time outside. If 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:19.760 you live in a cold weather area. You know, if 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:22.639 you live in Wisconsin, the last thing you want to 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:24.399 do on a seventy five degree summer day is to 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:26.920 sit inside. Right, You're sitting inside six months out of 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:28.240 the year because you have to. 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:31.320 Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, I feel it. 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.880 And obviously this is my job, and generally my response 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:38.119 to I gotta work is what I say. But you know, 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:43.240 it's it's Sunday and it's eighty two degrees and my 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:46.200