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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to Stephen.

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Speaker 1: Never told you a protection of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: And we are back with another feminists around the world,

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Speaker 2: except we're doing it a little differently. Today I decided

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Speaker 2: because the Women's World Cup is happening and I'm not

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Speaker 2: paying attention to it enough as I should. I feel

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Speaker 2: very least, And we talked about a little bit before

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Speaker 2: because we're discussing what this month will be about. But

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Speaker 2: are you watching any of it? Uh?

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Speaker 1: No? So I told you I have a friend who's

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Speaker 1: really into it, and you'll probably hear from soon if

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Speaker 1: we come on the show. And I watched two matches

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Speaker 1: with her that I very much enjoyed because her passion

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Speaker 1: shines to and I love soccer. But without her, I'm

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Speaker 1: not keeping up. Although today she did send me a

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Speaker 2: So is it the US match with Portugal? Yes, because

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing a lot of things, so as per usual

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Speaker 2: me being me, I'm keeping up through TikTok with the

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Speaker 2: people letting me know what's going on, and apparently this

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Speaker 2: is the queerest World Cup ever, and I'm really excited

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Speaker 2: to know why. There was a few things that were

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Speaker 2: like watch this and watch this, and I know at

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Speaker 2: know another are getting like another TikTok was about how

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Speaker 2: super interesting. I loved I loved seeing stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: But today and Annie, I'm going to just talk at you,

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Speaker 2: so listeners and Annie, get ready because I know very

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Speaker 2: little about this detail. I researched a little about this,

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Speaker 2: know already that we're going to have listeners who can

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Speaker 2: email and hopefully the messages we get about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because we're going to take a historical look and Yes,

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Speaker 2: and we'll probably follow up with other episodes on what

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Speaker 2: is happening in the World Cup today or this year.

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Speaker 2: And for some context, today is August first, twenty twenty three. Yes,

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Speaker 2: were recording it on the day we're releasing it. That's

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Speaker 2: how I do. I'm sorry, Christina, I love you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And there have been many exciting things happening. Again, we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about it eventually. Again. I know many

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Speaker 2: listeners y'all are really good at letting us know what's

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Speaker 2: So keep telling us. So just those things because we

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Speaker 2: we need to know this information. But we wanted to

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Speaker 2: take a look at the historic COPA seventy one, which

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Speaker 2: was one of the most successful women's soccer tournament honestly,

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Speaker 2: and it is also known as the nineteen seventy one

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Speaker 2: that's way before the first FIFA World Cup. But something

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Speaker 2: including myself. And here's a quote from a write up

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Speaker 2: of the nineteen seventy one Women's World Cup, one of

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Speaker 2: the most successful female soccer tournaments of all time, where

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Speaker 2: a fawning media treated the players like rock stars. In

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Speaker 2: August nineteen seventy one, teams from England, Argentina, Mexico, France,

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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen's Women's World Cup Final gaining TV audiences in

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Speaker 2: America larger than the NBA Finals. And if y'all remember

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Speaker 2: that one, that was huge, it's huge. The World Cup

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Speaker 2: It was that intense. It was one of those matches

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Speaker 2: general trying to get that money. And when I say

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Speaker 2: not saying they want more. We're saying they want a

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Speaker 2: seems reasonable. But hey, who's to say. But let's take

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Speaker 2: a look at the soccer timeline. Annie, Now, if you

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Speaker 2: everywhere else. Okay, So I will be going back and forth.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry to the overseas listeners who are like, stop

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Speaker 2: saying soccer. I'm still American. I'm trying y'all this. And

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Speaker 2: as we go through this, it's gonna sound very similar

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Speaker 2: The first recorded again emphasis on recorded match was the

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Speaker 2: that is, right, and was watched by four thousand people

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Speaker 2: women's match was in eighteen eighty one, where the women

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Speaker 2: Players wore jerseys, stockings, knickerbockers. I love that words. I

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Speaker 2: love that word. I don't know why, but there you go. Knickerbuckers.

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Speaker 2: Just gonna pember that in now and again. Do you

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Speaker 2: I was thinking of doing that in an English accent,

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