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Speaker 1: be there, all right, cool stuff you left Horn, It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be an opportunity, Patrick, be well, have a good

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Speaker 1: holiday season and really great to check in with you.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Spence, of course, the chief executive officer of Sonas,

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Speaker 1: joining us from California. Santa Barbara, California, I know one

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Speaker 1: of the best places. A gorgeous California