1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: This is Patriots Draft Countdown, presented by bud Light. 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 2: Welcome to an NFL draft hosted. 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: By the writers of Patriots dot com. From now until 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: you here the New England Patriots Swatch, the countdown is on. 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Patriots Draft Countdown, presented by bud Light. 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: Welcome everybody. 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 3: We're coming to you from day four the NFL Scouting 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 3: Combine here in Indianapolis. This is Patriots Draft Countdown presented 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 3: by bud Light. Bud Light Easy to Drink, Easy to Enjoy, 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 3: the official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. And 11 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 3: the workout started last night. Evan, we're really getting into 12 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 3: the meat of the combine. I think for a lot 13 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 3: of people they think this is when the combine actually starts. 14 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 3: Like I saw a lot of tweets of like, oh, 15 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 3: the Combine's finally starting Thursday, and like we've been here 16 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 3: for like three days already doing interviews. 17 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: But this is when it gets interesting. 18 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 3: Certainly, guys perform well, other guys choose not to work 19 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 3: out as well. We actually got a chance finally we 20 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,959 Speaker 3: went and sat inside the what is it the RCA Dome, 21 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: not anymore? 22 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: What do we call it? Now you've been there before. 23 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 4: Now you're putting me on this spot, Lucas. Of course, 24 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 4: I like blanked as soon as you asked me that question. 25 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 3: I blanked as soon as I thought of it. But yeah, 26 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: pretty cool experience, you know, getting to see it. We 27 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 3: all watch it on television plenty, and so to see 28 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 3: the drills go through it was pretty pretty interesting. So, 29 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 3: just off the top, what were your takeaways from that 30 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 3: first set of workouts with the defensive linemen and linebackers. 31 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think obviously when you get into the actual 32 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 4: athletic testing, you don't really need to see that, like 33 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 4: you can just get the number. But it was really 34 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 4: cool to be inside the stadium to watch the drills 35 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 4: on the field. 36 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: You just get a different feel for you. 37 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 4: You can hear the pop on the pads and you 38 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 4: can see the footwork a little bit better and that 39 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 4: was cool. And I can understand now if you're a scout, 40 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 4: you have to be there like that, you have to 41 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 4: be able to see it, and there is a difference. 42 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 4: It's almost like a game, right, There is a difference 43 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 4: to being there in person. Now in terms of the workouts, 44 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 4: I think right off the top of the draft, it 45 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 4: was just a little bit disappointing the amount of guys 46 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 4: that didn't work out that are going to be in 47 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 4: the conversation for the Patriots at four. Overall, you know 48 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 4: Abdual Carter, we know about the foot situation, that was 49 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 4: an injury related situation. Mason Graham holding off to his 50 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 4: pro day, Jaylen Walker holding off to his pro day. 51 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 4: MIKEL Williams has a tweak of a hamstring. I believe 52 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 4: it was that caused him to sit out this yesterday. 53 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 4: So all the guys that we were talking about in 54 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 4: terms of that range didn't really participate. The one guy 55 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 4: that maybe we could talk about in that range that 56 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 4: had a great workout was obviously Shamar Stewart from Texas. 57 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: A and M. 58 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 4: A lot of people were expecting that to happen. And 59 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 4: there's an old someone told me a scouting term, don't 60 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 4: count it twice. So if you knew that Shamar Stewart 61 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 4: was a great athlete, this doesn't make it any right, 62 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 4: Like we already knew he was a unicorn athlete, So 63 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 4: don't count it twice. But at the same time, you 64 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 4: look at the traits, you look at the production in 65 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 4: terms of the advanced metrics like pressures and disruption and 66 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff. He didn't have the sacks, 67 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 4: but he had all of that in his favor. So 68 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 4: maybe a little rich at four overall for the Patriots, 69 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 4: but if they do execute a trade down, I think 70 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 4: Shamar Stewart in the conversation. 71 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, So we've also got an interview coming up with 72 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: Dan Brugler, who provided a little bit more. 73 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: Insight on Shamar Stewart. 74 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 3: Obviously an outstanding day for him that certainly improved his 75 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 3: status today. We've moved on in the interview portion, at 76 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 3: least with wide receivers and the running backs and the 77 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: quarterbacks as well. 78 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,119 Speaker 2: Teed McMillan another piece, not going to run. 79 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: That was something I was kind of interested to see 80 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 3: and probably not surprising that he chose to delay that 81 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 3: or perhaps put it off entirely. But we did get 82 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 3: a chance to talk to some of these receiver options. 83 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 3: Not a great class this year, and again Dane provide 84 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 3: a little bit more insight on that as well. What'll 85 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: your takeaways here from this morning with the wide receivers 86 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 3: and the running backs. 87 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 4: Definitely disappointed and honestly, like small Sea, concerned that Teed 88 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 4: McMillan doesn't want to run here at the combine. That 89 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 4: signals to me that some of the concerns about his 90 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 4: top end speed and explosiveness might be legitimate. If he 91 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 4: goes out, like Dane said, and runs a four or 92 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 4: five five, then that's going to hurt his stock, and 93 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 4: he doesn't want to do that. If he knew he 94 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 4: was gonna run well and kind of take people by 95 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 4: surprise there, then he'd be running. So that's a little 96 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 4: bit of a concern to me. I already had some 97 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 4: concerns with him in terms of that on tape that 98 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 4: he's not exactly the most dynamic mover, and yeah, he's 99 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 4: got great body control and great size, but you worry 100 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 4: about separation, especially second third level separation with Ted McMillan, 101 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 4: that maybe it's a little bit rich, you know, for 102 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 4: four overall for that type of player. The other guys 103 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 4: that I thought were impressive were maybe a little bit 104 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 4: further down the board that we can get to as well, 105 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 4: but just off the top again, like I still don't 106 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 4: really understand what's going on with Luther Burden and why 107 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 4: he seems to be falling out of the first round, 108 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 4: and a lot of mock drafts and things like that. 109 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 4: I still see him as a really talented player, top twenty, 110 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 4: top twenty five talent in this class. 111 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: So we'll see what he does. 112 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 4: I believe he is going to test and maybe he 113 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 4: has a great workout on Saturday and that changes everything 114 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 4: for him. 115 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, so really deep running back class this year. A 116 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 3: lot of people have been talking and about. Of course, 117 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 3: asked in gent from Poise State atop the list. Another 118 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: guy that kind of had that Georgia I'm already in 119 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 3: the league vibe as well, would point him out. But 120 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 3: I think that there's some good depth and there's just 121 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 3: it seems to me like this is a great year. 122 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 3: Third round, fourth round, take a flyer on one of 123 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 3: these guys. Patriots obviously have two running backs under contract 124 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 3: as of right now with ramondre Stevenson and Antonio Gibson. 125 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: Pretty good place to start, but I think it's a 126 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: spot that they could still probably use some reinforcements in 127 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: some young depth. 128 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 4: One hundred percent, and this definitely feels like a third 129 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 4: or fourth round pick. They have those two third rounders 130 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 4: and then another pick at the top of the fourth 131 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 4: round where you can find at least an RB one 132 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 4: and a half right like a b you know, it's 133 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 4: a Remondre Stevenson being your a back in the committee. 134 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 4: So I don't know if you're necessarily gonna find Ashton 135 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 4: Gentry is kind of like, you know, a lead back 136 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 4: right that's gonna be a cornerstone of your offense. But 137 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 4: in third or fourth round, you can get a really solid, 138 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 4: you know, backup running back to Remandre or even somebody 139 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 4: that can push Formandre if he doesn't fix the fumbling 140 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 4: issues and ball security concerns. A couple of guys that 141 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 4: stand out to me and I'm looking forward to watching 142 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 4: a workout. Quin Shawn Jenkins from Ohio State, I think 143 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 4: is a really fun player, really explosive player, can catch 144 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 4: the ball out of the backfield too and use that 145 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 4: dynamic moving ability all over the field. I dislike those 146 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 4: types of guys at that spot, like they kind of 147 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 4: have a road grader with Hermandre guy that's going to 148 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 4: pick up the tough yards and run the ball between 149 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 4: the tackles. So adding somebody with some juice might might 150 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 4: be something that is appealing. And then Devin Neil from 151 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 4: from Kansas, I think is a guy that if you 152 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 4: want to go more power back raable style but has 153 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 4: some juice to get the edge. And I had a 154 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 4: really great workout at the Senior Bowl or practice week 155 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 4: at the Senior Bowl. So those were a couple guys 156 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 4: that stood out to me at the podiums. And then 157 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 4: you know with Neil down in Mobile a couple of 158 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 4: months ago. So I look at those two guys as 159 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 4: a nice possibility for the Patriots there. Yeah, Patriots quarterback 160 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 4: not a need necessarily, but do have to mention should 161 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 4: Her Sanders cam Ward. 162 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 3: You know, Shoulders look great. They were fantastic. I think 163 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 3: they should go one two right draft. Somebody needs. I 164 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: mean the way Shitur Sanders was talking, it was the 165 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 3: confidence of his father. 166 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: I mean it was the Dion Sanders. You know. 167 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 3: I heard him say history repeats itself and I've you know, 168 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 3: we're restored two programs and I'll be able to do 169 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 3: that in the NFL as well. He does not lack 170 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: confidence at all. I enjoyed listening to him talk. Yeah, 171 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: he was fun to listen to. 172 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 4: And I was actually talking to somebody about these two 173 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 4: quarterbacks and we were talking about Josh Allen and how 174 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 4: Josh Allen has broken all of our brains when it 175 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 4: comes to a valleying quarterbacks, And we kind of talked 176 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 4: ourselves into Drake May in the same sense because you 177 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: feel like you can fix mechanics a little bit more 178 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 4: now than maybe we felt five ten years ago because 179 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 4: of guys like Josh Allen, and I look at a 180 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 4: player like cam Ward and think there's so much raw 181 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 4: tools there and upside with his arm talent, and maybe 182 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,679 Speaker 4: if you get him more refined like a Josh Allen, 183 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 4: like a Drake May, you know he's gonna blossom into 184 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 4: the league into a great quarterback. Whereas with Shador, I 185 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 4: see like a four quarterback, Like I see a guy 186 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 4: that already has all that because he's been coached by 187 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 4: his father his entire life, and Tom Brady a little 188 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 4: bit too, and like he already has all those details 189 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 4: in minutia. So now you worry about Kenny, how much 190 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 4: better is he really going to get at the next level, 191 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 4: because he's kind of tapped out a little bit. But 192 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 4: you will feel really comfortable about him stepping in, handling 193 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 4: the spotlight, handling what the pressure that comes with being 194 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 4: a franchise quarterback and being good enough that if he's 195 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 4: surrounded by enough weapons if he goes to the Giants 196 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 4: and he has Molikue neighbors and they keep stacking talent 197 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 4: on that roster, then you could see him being an 198 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 4: effective point guard of an offense. I'm just not sure 199 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 4: he's an elevator of an offense, but he might be 200 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 4: an elevator of a culture, which is what he tried 201 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 4: to tell us when he said that he fixed two programs. 202 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 4: I'll give him Jackson State, like Colorado. You know, they're 203 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 4: much better than they were. I don't know if he 204 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 4: fixed Colorado, Like we're not in college football playoffs or 205 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 4: anything like that in Boulder, but I can see where 206 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 4: he's coming from. 207 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: So we had an opportunity to sit down with Dane 208 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 3: Brugler from The Athletic, who writes the Huge Monster of 209 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 3: the Beast, appropriately named that we all excitedly wait for. 210 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 3: I mean, unfortunately it comes out in like April, so 211 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 3: you feel like you kind of know everything and then 212 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you just get this huge bible 213 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 3: dropped on you with so much detail, and it's I 214 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 3: think it's a great kind of finishing touch to the draft. 215 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 3: So really cool to get your opportunity to sit down 216 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 3: with Dane here's what he had to say. All right, 217 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 3: we're excited to be joined now by Dan Brugler from 218 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 3: the Athletic the producer and what do you call you like, 219 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 3: I don't know. 220 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: It's not just an author. 221 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 3: It's more than that of the Beast, which we all 222 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: wait for every year, and you know, we're all so 223 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 3: grateful for all the hard work you put in. 224 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: I got to start off with the question I'm sure 225 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: you get, just what is. 226 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 3: Your process like over the course of the year putting 227 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: that big the Beast together? 228 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 5: Well, it takes the full year, and even more so 229 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 5: than that because inevitably you pick up different tidbits for 230 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 5: the future class. 231 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 6: And so yeah, it's a process. 232 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 5: And you know, at my heart, I'm a draft fan, 233 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 5: so I want to make something that I would want 234 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 5: to read and consume and really enjoy, and so detail 235 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 5: is too small. I'm a big believer in to know 236 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 5: where these guys are headed, you need to know where 237 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 5: they came from and so understand their journey, understand everything 238 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 5: that got them to this point the doorstep of the NFL, 239 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 5: and that helps you understand them as people. And then 240 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 5: of course the analysis part, you know, just making sure 241 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 5: you're studying the tape, talking to scouts, talking to teams, 242 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 5: understanding what they do well it'll translate what won't translate. 243 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 6: So certainly a process. 244 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 5: And yeah, we're down to this last month, which gives 245 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 5: me anxiety to think about. But yeah, excited to share 246 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 5: it with everybody here at early April. 247 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 3: Now we're excited to get it for sure. Just from 248 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 3: a Patriots perspective. Fourth overall, I think we're all kind 249 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 3: of in the same position where we're you know, maybe 250 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: Hunter or Carter to fall, probably not. Does will Campbell 251 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 3: make sense? There is there someone else? Is there a 252 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 3: trade down? I mean it's last year was so straightforward 253 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 3: with quarterback at three. 254 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 2: Now it seems a little bit more uncertainty. 255 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on the Patriots position A fourth overall? 256 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think I think there's a very good 257 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 5: chance the cam Ward is the number one pick, if 258 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 5: where we are right now, with what we know right now, I. 259 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 6: Think he's the favorite to be that number one pick. 260 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 6: Now to who who? You know? 261 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 5: It could be the Titans, could be the Giants, could 262 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 5: be another team. And then after that it gets interesting. 263 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 5: I think I think the Browns one out of there. 264 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 5: I think they'd love the trade back. Do they have 265 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 5: a trade partner? Who knows? But I would agree with 266 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 5: you that the chances of Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter 267 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 5: falling before are probably not great. 268 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 6: They're not probably not high. 269 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 5: And then, okay, what direction do you pivot and say 270 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 5: you can't trade back, say you're stuck at four. Is 271 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 5: there an offensive lineman you love enough to take a four? 272 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 5: Whether that's Will Campbell from LSU? Could you take armand 273 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 5: Membu from Missouri that early? Which of these offensive linemen 274 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 5: do you like the best? And then besides the offensive line, 275 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 5: is there someone else? Could it be a mc A 276 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 5: team Maac from Arizona, who unfortunately is not gonna be working. 277 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 6: Out here this week. 278 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 5: But could it be another one of those players that 279 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 5: you feel like, all right, we drop him into our 280 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 5: on our team and he's gonna make the biggest impact 281 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 5: for us. 282 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 6: You know, I don't. 283 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 5: We can get caught up too much in need and 284 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 5: you know, yeah, of course need more help a receiver. 285 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 5: Of course, they only need more help on the offensive line. 286 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 5: When you're drafting top five, you can't think like that. 287 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 5: You have to think about for the next four or 288 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 5: five years. Who's going to make the greatest impact. That 289 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 5: could be a pass rusher, that could be somebody else 290 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 5: on the defensive line. So for the Patriots, you just 291 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 5: you got to list your top four players in this 292 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 5: draft who are going to impact your roster for the 293 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 5: next five years. You're guaranteed to get one of those guys, 294 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 5: and yeah, it'll be interesting. 295 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you about you mentioned t Max 296 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 4: not going to work out. It seems like that's that's 297 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 4: pretty prevalent right now, especially with the top guys in 298 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 4: this draft. You feel like it's more than it's been 299 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 4: in the past. And what are teams saying about the 300 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 4: future of this event in terms of the athletic testing. 301 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was talking with the scout yesterday about this 302 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,479 Speaker 5: and he seemed very confident that, you know, because there's 303 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 5: a lot of players that do want to work out. 304 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 5: There's a lot of players that look at this as 305 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 5: an opportunity to just go show out and show what 306 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 5: they can do. Because there's the peak athletes, the top 307 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 5: guys at each position, should I think feel like they 308 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 5: have a little bit of leverage where I can only hurt. 309 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 6: Myself, you know, an ash and Gentee tea Mac. 310 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 5: You know, if T Mac goes out there, it runs 311 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 5: a four or five five, you know, is he hurting 312 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 5: himself at that point? But you know, there's there's different 313 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 5: ways to think about it, because what happens when you 314 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 5: go to your pro day and you have a stomach 315 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 5: bug that morning. You know what happens when maybe just 316 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 5: you don't have your best day, you stumble whatever, like 317 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 5: you're putting all your eggs in that basket. 318 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 6: And this is a fast track here in Indy. So 319 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 6: the chance to go out there and you. 320 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 5: Know, even if it's not the greatest time, hey just 321 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 5: cross it off, check the box, move on. And you know, 322 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 5: for the most part, teams aren't going to adjust their 323 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 5: rankings based off of the littlest changes in your forty 324 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 5: yard dash. If you know, if you like T Mac, 325 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 5: you know you've seen him, so you know he's not 326 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 5: gonna run a four to three. 327 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 6: You know he's probably a four or five two athlete 328 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 6: and that's fine. You know T. 329 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 5: Higgins was a four or five nine athlete in his 330 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 5: forty yard dash, right, So it's more about focusing on 331 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 5: the strengths, what they do well and why you love 332 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 5: teamac as a receiver, it's not necessarily the speed, it's 333 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 5: his ability to be a ball winner. It's the flexibility 334 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 5: and the fluidity that he has in and out of 335 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 5: his breaks at the catch point. Nobody over the last 336 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 5: two years and college football has more catches of twenty 337 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 5: plus yards than te Mac And so he's a guy 338 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 5: that's super talented. The production is there. I think he's 339 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 5: a top ten pick in this class when you just 340 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 5: focus on the players available this year. Would the Patriots 341 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 5: take him as early as four? I think at least 342 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 5: should be in the conversation. 343 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 2: Before we get a little bit deeper. 344 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 4: I did want to ask you about Mason Graham and 345 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 4: yesterday weighs in he's only about two hundred ninety six pounds, 346 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 4: which checks out a little bit better than the three 347 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 4: to twenty I think that they had at Michigan. 348 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: But I heard you on the radio in Boston. 349 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 4: I think it was on the Sports Hub in Boston 350 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 4: saying he's not necessarily at Quentin Williams level prospect, but 351 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 4: he's really good. And where do you kind of fall 352 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 4: on Mason Graham? And do you still see him going 353 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 4: as early as four after the weigh ins and stuff. 354 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the combine is not made for a 355 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 5: guy like Mason Graham, you know, because he doesn't have 356 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 5: the ideal body type. His arms are a little bit shorter. 357 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 5: You know, he's not working out, which I don't I 358 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 5: think he would have been fine. I don't think he 359 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 5: would have blown it up at all. He's a guy 360 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 5: that you watch the tape and you're like, all right, 361 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 5: good football player, you know, but is he a Quinn 362 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 5: Williams ascend a type of guy that's going to make 363 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 5: turn your defensive line from good to great. That's where 364 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 5: you know, I think there's a little bit of a 365 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 5: question mark. And ideally, if you're picking a defensive tackle 366 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 5: top five, that's who you want. But you know what, 367 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 5: you can't force something that's not there. And in this class, 368 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 5: Mason Graham is one of the best, you know, seven 369 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 5: players in the draft. And so even though he might 370 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 5: not be a Quinn Williams type of impact prospect, he's 371 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 5: still a good player. I mean, you watch the film 372 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 5: and I don't think I don't know how he could 373 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 5: come away from watching his film and say, eh, he's okay. 374 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 5: Like he is a he consistently disrupts, and you see 375 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 5: that with the block deconstruction, former wrestling. The leverage. He's 376 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 5: a leverage monster, I mean, the only way to describe him. 377 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 5: So he can win with quickness, win with power. There's 378 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 5: just a lot to like about the way he plays 379 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 5: when he suits up on game. 380 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: Day this week, there'll be risers, followers. 381 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 3: You know, we'll kind of regroup after this as we 382 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 3: get to the Patriots' second round pick down there, do 383 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 3: you feel like, where's the value going to be? 384 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: What positions? 385 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 3: Do you have a sense of what might get kind 386 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 3: of pushed down as maybe certain guys come up, certain 387 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 3: guys fall. I know it's hard to say right at 388 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 3: this point, but I think that's what we're looking at 389 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 3: with that in the second pick. 390 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 5: Right, I think defensive line, because it's a deep defensive 391 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 5: line group and not all of them are going to 392 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 5: go in the first round, so there will be plenty 393 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 5: of guys. You know, in Alfred Collins from from Texas 394 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 5: who didn't have a great vertical, but you know once 395 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 5: you watch the film and he's just consistently disruptive. He's 396 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 5: six five, three hundred and thirty five pounds really long, 397 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 5: So a guy like that who maybe doesn't go in 398 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 5: the first but he's gonna be there in the second 399 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 5: I think there's a couple of those defensive linemen that 400 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 5: will be there where you could really bolster your depth 401 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 5: and get a good player in this second round. Receivers tough, 402 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 5: because you know, let's just say the Patriots go defensive 403 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 5: line in the first what receivers are going to be 404 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 5: there for you in the early second round? Usually we're 405 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 5: so we're spoiled with too many receivers every year. This 406 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 5: year is a little bit of the opposite. Say four 407 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 5: receivers go first round. Let's say it's t Mac, It's Golden. 408 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 5: It's like Buca and Travis Hunter, or and Burdon Luther Burton. 409 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 5: Who's is there somebody else that you love in this class? 410 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 5: At Jalen Royals, Jayden Higgins. I love Jalen Noel, But 411 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 5: are any of those guys worth the pick in the 412 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 5: early second round? That's something that I think the Patriots 413 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 5: might struggle with finding a guy that they I mean, 414 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 5: we could say they struggle with it last year at 415 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 5: the top of the second round, finding a guy that 416 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 5: you know you'll point to and say, oh, yeah, this 417 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 5: is this is the guy we need for our offense. 418 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely look at their receiver position a little bit. 419 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 4: I think we're all kind of expecting trenches from the Patriots. 420 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 4: That's when all of their decision makers have been telling 421 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 4: us for a couple months now. So assuming like let's 422 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 4: say they go offensive line defensive line with their first 423 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 4: two picks. Is there any third fourth round receivers that 424 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 4: you see as fits? 425 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 6: Oh? 426 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Jack Besh would would fit with he 427 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 5: just think of he seems like a like verbal guy. 428 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 5: The toughness of physicality, the way he plays, the mindset 429 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 5: like Jack Besh would be a really good fit. 430 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 6: I mentioned Jalen Noel. I think he's gonna run really 431 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 6: well here. 432 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 5: He's not the biggest guy, he's you know, five nine 433 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 5: and a half under two hundred pounds, but he can 434 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 5: win vertically. He can win on quick hitters and then 435 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 5: be a threat after the catch. A big fan of 436 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 5: Noel and what he brings, and if he were to 437 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 5: make it to the third round, I would love that fit, 438 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 5: even though again not do's another size, but he can 439 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 5: still get open and make plays. 440 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 6: Elika aoman or from Stanford. He's interesting. 441 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 5: You know, he's still relatively new to football, still learning 442 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 5: in a lot of ways. But he's built well, he 443 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 5: has talent. Eager to see what he runs, because on 444 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 5: tape he looks more like a four or five guy. 445 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 5: But you know what, if he were able to get 446 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 5: into four fours, that might change the thinking with him 447 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 5: about Okay, is he a late third brunder, Maybe take 448 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 5: an early third round. 449 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 6: But he's there. 450 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,959 Speaker 5: There's a lot to like with Ao Minor when you 451 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 5: get to after the first two rounds. 452 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, that great game against Travis Hunter a couple of 453 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 4: years ago, and that that's one of the best wide 454 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 4: receiver tapes I've seen out of any of these guys 455 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 4: in this class. 456 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 5: And you saw it all in there. You saw speed, 457 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 5: just a physicality. You know he was at the podium, 458 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 5: is actually talking about that. 459 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: Oh oh you're getting put on the spot for you. 460 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 2: Thank you. Come back in about ten minutes. 461 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh, I've already had something enough. 462 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: Thank you. The timing of that was impeccable. 463 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 3: As always, as always as they got us last year live, 464 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 3: we harked him down. But well, we'll keep it just 465 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 3: to the beast at this point. Just any other players 466 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 3: that stand out to your personal favorites, guys that he 467 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: just really enjoy kind of watching this offseason. 468 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 5: Well, Carson Schwessinger, the linebacker from UCLA, is one of 469 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 5: my favorites. 470 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 6: It's just speeding instincts. 471 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 5: You know, if that sounds okay for you in a linebacker, 472 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 5: you're gonna like Carson Schwessinger. And maybe just recency bias 473 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 5: because you know, in the stadium last night watching those 474 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 5: guys work out, it was fun to see Schimour Stewart work. 475 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 6: That guy is the freak of all the freaks. 476 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 5: The rumor they're gonna name the combine after him after 477 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 5: what he did yesterday. I made one five eight ten 478 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 5: yard split at that size is ridiculous. 479 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 6: Von Miller's ten yard split was one five nine. 480 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 5: So just a context of how that burst and that 481 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 5: elite get off and you saw that at a senior bowl, 482 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 5: saw that on tape. 483 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 6: All the talk's gonna be about one and a half sacks. 484 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 6: I get it. 485 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 5: But when you watch the tape, you see a more 486 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 5: productive player because he's able to h make the quarterback 487 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 5: move his feet, be disruptive and yeah, do you want 488 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 5: him to get sacks. Of course, But if you're being 489 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 5: disruptive and you're affecting the backfield action, then you're doing 490 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 5: your job as a pass rusher. And so Schmart Stewart 491 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 5: does that consistently. And that's why I think when it's 492 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 5: all said and on, he's going to be somewhere in 493 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 5: the top fifteen picks. 494 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 6: It's just a matter of, you know, how high does 495 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 6: he go. 496 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: I want to ask you one last one and then 497 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 2: we'll let you go. Tight end. 498 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 4: I feel like in this class we talked a lot 499 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 4: about wide receiver and how it's not as great of 500 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 4: a class, how much you know one how much are 501 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 4: people talking about, well, maybe we should just take Tyler 502 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 4: Warren instead of you know, drafting a receiver in the 503 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 4: top ten And to who are some of those day 504 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 4: to day three tight ends that you like? 505 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, you could make a case, you know, say there's 506 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 5: only twelve thirteen first runk grades in this year, this class. 507 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 5: You could make a case that, you know, Warren's one 508 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 5: of them. You make a case Colson Lovelin from Michigan 509 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 5: is one of them. Again, it should come down to 510 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 5: who's going to impact your offense the most. And if 511 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 5: you come away thinking that it could be Tyler Warren, 512 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 5: then hey, you owe it to yourselves to at least 513 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 5: consider that possibility, even though a tight end that early 514 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 5: definitely feels rich. But this is a unique draft class, 515 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 5: very unique, and it's ironic. You know, last year was 516 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 5: so deep and a guy like Brock Bauers, who was 517 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 5: a top five talent in that class, falls. 518 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 6: All the way to thirteen. 519 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 5: But this year, you know, it's just not as deep, 520 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 5: and a guy like Tyler Warren, who in Colston Lovelin, 521 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 5: they're not quite Brock Bowers, but there still can impact 522 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 5: the game. One of the reasons not to take a 523 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 5: tight end early. 524 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 6: Is because it is deep. 525 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 5: Mason Arroyo or Mason Taylor, Elijah Royo, big fan of 526 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 5: Gunner Helm from Texas. I think all those those three 527 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 5: guys are all starters in the NFL. I think Harold 528 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 5: fan and Junior is on his way. Not as immediate 529 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 5: for him, but you know, you don't catch one hundred 530 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 5: and seventeen balls in college football in a single season, 531 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 5: and if you're not a talented receiver. So and then 532 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 5: even in the Day three, Terrence Ferguson from Oregon is 533 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 5: a really good player. It's a position that will stretch. 534 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 5: And as much as I like Tyler Warren and Colston Lovelin. 535 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 5: It's kind of the reason, like, hey, well let's get 536 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 5: our offensive tackle now, let's get our defensive lineman now, 537 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 5: and we can wait on tight end because we know 538 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 5: the caliber a player that will be there for us 539 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 5: rounds two, three, and four. 540 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: How do you get the birthdays? 541 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 4: That's because that's always you Google how old is somebody? 542 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 4: And it's never right or it's never accurate. Like that's 543 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 4: my number one question about. 544 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 6: Talk to the player. 545 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 5: I talked to the straight goes straight to the horse's 546 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 5: mouth and say, hey, h twenty three in August, right 547 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 5: twenty second? 548 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 6: Yep, okay, perfectly, because that's you know, that's it. Yeah, 549 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 6: you would think it'd be more or easier. 550 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 5: A lot of schools make it easy on you, you know, 551 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 5: because they have them and you can trust those. But yeah, 552 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 5: I've learned over the years, Google is not the most 553 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 5: reliable when it comes to the birth dates for the prospects. 554 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 2: Clarious. Well, Tim, we'll let you get back to the beast. 555 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,479 Speaker 2: I'm sure you got work to do. Thanks so much 556 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 2: for sitting down with me. 557 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 6: Sound thanks, guys, appreciate it all. 558 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 3: Right, So enjoy talking to dam and can't wait to 559 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 3: get that Beast, and if you have, if you don't 560 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 3: subscribe to the Athletic, I think the Beast is pretty 561 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 3: much worth it on its own, Like you don't even 562 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 3: need anything else into the about a five hundred page document, 563 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 3: but it's going to do it for us here at 564 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 3: the combine. But Devan's still plenty more going on after 565 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 3: where boots off the ground. The workouts will continue, You'll 566 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 3: continue to do some write ups on that. 567 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 2: Just looking forward here to the weekend. 568 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 3: Of course, Will Campbell's arm link, Baby, that's gonna be 569 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 3: the big one we're all waiting for. 570 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 2: But what else are you looking forward to? 571 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 3: Interested to watch over the next couple of days as 572 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 3: all these guys test out. 573 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, yesterday or on Thursday. All these days are blending 574 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,719 Speaker 4: together at this point. But on Thursday, Travis Hunter did 575 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 4: say that he's going to work out with the dB, 576 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 4: so I am interested to see what he does and 577 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 4: how he tests and all those types of things. So 578 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 4: I'm curious if he then comes back on Saturday and 579 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 4: runs routes. I don't know how they're gonna do that, 580 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 4: so that would be interesting. So I'm definitely looking forward 581 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 4: to him and this tight end class. Like This tight 582 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 4: end class is gonna put on an absolute show. And 583 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 4: we talked to Dan about it. Is there an argument 584 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 4: for Tyler Warren? Is there an argument in a trade 585 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 4: down maybe more realistically for Colston Lovelin that no, you 586 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 4: can't get the Marvin Harrison junior the Malik neighbors in 587 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 4: this class at the wide receiver position, but you can't 588 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 4: get brock Bowers right, Like, you know, is there that 589 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 4: case to be made that that's a more effective route 590 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 4: for the Patriots to find that dictating past catcher number 591 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 4: one receiver? 592 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 2: And I can always say, like we had Gronk, like 593 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 2: you shouldn't. 594 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 4: You shouldn't like look at the number one right yeah, 595 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 4: and say, oh, like you can't build it through a 596 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 4: tight end when we know very well in New England 597 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 4: that you can. 598 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 2: So I'm excited to see those guys as well. 599 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 3: All right, well, that's gonna be a rap from the combine, 600 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 3: But believe me, we are just getting started. I know 601 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 3: this week we'll have a free agency preview video coming out, 602 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,479 Speaker 3: Paul Perlo will join us, and I think Evan, your 603 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 3: first mock draft is gonna. 604 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 2: Courr this week. Post combine mock. 605 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 3: There we go, right, so all the movers and follers 606 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 3: and shakers, Evan's got a finger on the pulse of 607 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 3: all of that. So again, the draft is rapidly approaching, 608 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 3: as this free agency. But we've got you covered. Plenty 609 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 3: of content coming your way. Stick with us all spring.