1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Disgraceland is a production of Double Elvis and The wild. 2 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: Conspiracy theories surrounding Lady Gaga range from absurd to shocking 3 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: to ridiculous. The idea that she's a man, that she 4 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: murdered her friend Lena Morgana in her pursuit of fame, 5 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: that she murdered Morgana at the direction of the so 6 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: called illuminati. These rumors are as prevalent as they are insane. 7 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: But there are truths, bizarre truths, bizarre facts, and eyebrow 8 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: raising comments and actions even by Lady Gaga herself, that 9 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: have fueled these theories. The conspiracies and the facts and 10 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: so called facts that support them are so intriguing that 11 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: too aides were needed to properly explain and to try 12 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: and understand what's behind these Lady Gaga stories. If you're 13 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: just tuning into this tale now, I suggest you hit 14 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: pause and go back to the beginning of part one 15 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: of our Lady Gaga tale, where we detail the murky 16 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: facts of her self described origin story, her rise to 17 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: fame in the Intersects theory, the first of multiple conspiracy 18 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: theories that obsessive fans spread while Gaga's fame exploded. In 19 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: this episode, we dig deep into the Leda Morgana and 20 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: Illuminati conspiracies stories that seemingly were supported by evidence from 21 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 1: Gaga's the Fame era videos and music. Great music, unlike 22 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: that music I played for you at the top of 23 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: the show. That wasn't great music. That was a preset 24 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: loop from my melotron called New World Odor MK two. 25 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: I played you that loop because I can't afford the 26 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: rights to whatever you like by TI. And why would 27 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: I play you that specific slice of stinky ministry cheese? 28 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: Could I afford it? Because that was the number one 29 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: song in America on October fourth, two thousand and eight, 30 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: the day Lady Gaga's close friend and musical collaborator, Lena 31 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: Morgana died, kicking off one of the most bizarre and, 32 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: if true, damning conspiracy theories about a musician from this 33 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: or any generation. So on this a special part two episode, 34 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: Lena Morgana's Death, the Illuminati, Bill, Hillary Bay and Jay, 35 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: Chrissy and John and Oprah and Tom, Jimmy Kimmel and Blackface, 36 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: blacked out Panda Eyes, and why there are so many 37 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: wild conspiracies surrounding Lady Gaga I'm Jake Brennan, and this 38 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: is Disgraceland. It was one of those bleak October days 39 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: in the city, ten stories up on the roof of 40 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: the Staten Island Hotel in New York, and there were 41 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: no clouds, just an endless sheet of gray that was 42 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: somehow holding back the rain. The dark winter was coming. 43 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: You could feel it in your bones. Two women were 44 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: on the roof. One was dancing, smiling, arms outstretched and 45 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: spinning about, and the other was standing to the side, stoic. 46 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: In comparison, they looked alike, similar size, build, age, hair. 47 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: They could have been sisters. The dancing girl grew more 48 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: animated and the stoic girl grew more concerned. Girl had 49 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: a hold on that invisible sunshine, a brightness that she 50 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: knew in her core was going to one day shine 51 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: so brightly down upon her that she herself would burn 52 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: like a star. And the other girl felt the weight 53 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: of the winter, but she pushed on, dancing through her pain. 54 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: She once held onto the hope that she was going 55 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: to be the star, but that hope was dead. There 56 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: was only room for one of them to shine. That 57 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: was the world's cruel joke. It seemed why it was 58 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: that way she didn't know. There were lots of things 59 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: about the music business that she didn't understand, like why 60 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: was it that she the one who is currently dancing 61 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: through her pain dangerously high up on a Staten Island roof. 62 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: How was it the case that she was now the 63 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: second fiddle when not so long ago, their producer, the 64 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: record label, they recording, Sony, the publishing company they were 65 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: writing songs for, all thought she was the one. The 66 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: dancing Girl danced on through her confusion and glanced at 67 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: the stoic Girl with contempt. The Stoic Girl had a 68 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,559 Speaker 1: record deal. She was signed to Innerscope Records and signed 69 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: to a publishing deal with Sony, and that was part 70 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: of their original deal. Together, the Stoic Girl would write 71 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: the songs and she, the dancing Girl, would sing them 72 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: and be the star. But now that dynamic had reversed itself, 73 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: the stoic Girl was out front, performing her own songs 74 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: as well as songs that the dancing Girl had written. 75 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: She danced on the past was the past prelude to 76 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: what she always knew would come, something tragic, inevitable, tragedy. 77 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: Tolstoy Dostoevsky Chekhov, tragedy was in her Russian blood. On 78 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,239 Speaker 1: the other hand, the American, whose current stoicism was worn 79 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: of concern for the other, dancing too close to the edge, 80 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: putting herself in danger. The Americans sprung from a font 81 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: of eternal optimism every morning. Tragedy was as foreign to 82 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: her as the idea of black bread and vodka for breakfast. 83 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: But the American was cagy driven as hard, if not harder, 84 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: than the Russian to succeed. The American knew as well 85 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: as the Russian did what the situation was. Only one 86 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: of them could make it. There was only room for one. 87 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: They were friends, but they were competitive. The Russian feared 88 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: that the American was stealing from her, her ideas anyway, 89 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: her style, and the American disagreed strongly. They were both 90 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: at the same time and place, shared the same influence, 91 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: as shared a common goal. Saying one stole from the 92 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: other would be like saying John Lennon stole from Paul McCartney. 93 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: They were swimming through the exact same pool of influences 94 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: at the exact same time, trying to get to the 95 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: exact same place, to the top. And now on top 96 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: of this building on this bleak October morning. As the 97 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: Russian girl danced more freely, the American knew exactly what 98 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: her friend knew, that yes, there was only room for 99 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: one of them. The Russian girl danced more wildly. She 100 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: didn't care anymore, and the stoic American girl called out 101 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: for her to stop, and the Russians spawned with more force, 102 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: and the American moved toward her, and the Russians feet 103 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: moved closer to the roof's edge. The American ran toward her, 104 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: and the Russian was now oblivious to the danger. She 105 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: was dancing right at the edge of the roof, ten 106 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: stories above the street, and the American, in full sprint, 107 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: her arms outstretched, reached the Russian just in time, at 108 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: the very edge of the roof and pushed her to 109 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: her death. Was that what happened? Was this how it 110 00:07:55,240 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: went down? How Lena Morgana died. Local news reports mentioned 111 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: nothing of a second woman on the roof of the 112 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: Staten Island Hotel and coverage of Lena Morgana's death on 113 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: October fourth, two thousand and eight, but a local passer 114 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: by supposedly saw two women on that roof or so 115 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: goes the conspiracy theory. To be clear, there are multiple 116 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: versions of the Lady Gaga Lena Morgana conspiracy theory. There's 117 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: the yeah, this story is kind of fucked up and 118 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: interesting and I have no problem talking about it with 119 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: my friends over drinks version of the story, which is this, 120 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: Lady Gaga and Lina Morgana were friends. They were both 121 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: working with producer Rob Fusari. There is some evidence that 122 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: points to the fact that Lina was the star, that 123 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: Lina was the one singer of the two who was 124 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: positioned out front as the star, while Gaga was writing 125 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: songs and contributing to their act as a backup singer. 126 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: Then Lina died tragically by suicide, and Lady Gaga sees 127 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: the opportunity not only to step into the newly vacated spotlight, 128 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: but doing so stealing Lena Morgana's musical and fashion style. 129 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: She's also alleged to have straight up thieved some of 130 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: Lina's songs, all in an effort to make it as 131 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: a star, which she did thus callously capitalizing on the 132 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: unfortunate death of her good friend. Then there's the dude, 133 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: what the fuck Lady Gaga murdered her best friend because 134 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: she knew that she was going to get famous before her. 135 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: And then Gaga stole not only her style, but her songs, 136 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: her everything, so that her own career could take off, 137 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: which it did only a few months after the murder 138 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: version of the story, which is of course the crazier 139 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: of these two versions, but still not the craziest version, 140 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: which is the following. Lena Morgana and Lady Gaga were 141 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: both given a choice by the Illuminati, which everyone wanted 142 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: to become famous, how to make a blood sacrifice. And 143 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: we all know how ruthless Lady Gaga was in her 144 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: pursuit of fame. We all know how Lady Gaga lied 145 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: about her past, about her supposedly dark upbringing. So Lady 146 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: Gaga not only made the choice to conduct the blood 147 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: sacrifice for the Illuminati, she also chose to sacrifice her 148 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: best friend, to murder her so that she could then 149 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: steal Lena Morgana's identity, so that she could steal Lena's 150 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: dark past in addition to stealing her style and her music. 151 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: I'm less interested in litigating these theories than I am 152 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: in understanding why they persist. They won't die, particularly the 153 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: second theory about Gaga murdering Lena Morgana. And maybe that's because, 154 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: like all good conspiracy theories, there are just too many 155 00:10:35,679 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: eerie truths to ignore. Lady Gaga's presence on that Staten 156 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: Island roof with Lena Morgano was never proven, despite what 157 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: the conspiracy theorists cooked up online, but her presence on 158 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: another roof just months later is indisputable. There she is 159 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: on the balcony of the Villa de Leon, high above 160 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: the Pacific Ocean, its waves crashing violently onto the Malibu 161 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: coastline hundreds of feet below. She's precariously seated on the 162 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: balcony's barrier ledge, her legs facing back toward the open 163 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: French doors of the villa's suite. Both legs straddle actor 164 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: Alexander Skarsgard, who is standing facing her. The two kiss 165 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: passionately aggressively. The sound of the waves on the beach 166 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: below crashes in. Then comes the sound of camera flashing, 167 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: and the implication is clear. The star's privacy is being 168 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: intruded upon. The couple ignores the intrusion, and they're kissing intensifies. 169 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: The petting grows a bit too furious. The chaos of 170 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: the interaction is heightened by the intensifying sounds of the waves, 171 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: and the camera is shuddering. Something is turned and the 172 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: couple's embrace is now combative. Go Go struggles against their 173 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: lover's rushed advances and the intensity of the waves the cameras. 174 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: Goga fights off her man, still seated on the ledge, 175 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: her back to the treacherous drop. Her man presses in harder, 176 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: and she fights back harder. Her lover's frustration overcomes him. 177 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: He grabs Goga with both hands and pushes her off 178 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: the roof. Lady Gaga's dead body is prone on the 179 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: ground below the balcony in a pool of blood, and 180 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: the paparazzi closes in to document the gruesome spectacle. Newspaper's 181 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 1: spin onto this. Their headlines scream Lady Gaga hits rock bottom, 182 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: Lady Gaga is over, and Lady No More Gaga. That 183 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: last headline from Lady Gaga's two thousand and nine video 184 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: for her song Paparazzi did almost as much to fuel 185 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: the conspiracy theorists as the imagery of her being thrown 186 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: to her death from a roof just nine months after 187 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: Lena Morgana suffered the same deadly fate. Lena Morgana. The 188 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: headline Lady No More Gaga. It was strikingly similar to 189 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: Lena Morgana. It was a sign. Why else people wanted 190 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: to know would Lady Gaga include that headline or did 191 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: precisely like that in a way that, in their minds 192 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: anyway conjured up the name of her recently deceased best friend. 193 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,359 Speaker 1: It had to be a sign, a signal, a clue. 194 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: It was the hubris of the illuminati to rub the 195 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: noses of the celebrities plebeian fans into their obvious, disgraceful 196 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: transgressis typical conspiracy. Theorists believe that this video is as 197 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: good as a confession. It's Lady Gaga telling the world 198 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: exactly who she was, and this thinking was injected with 199 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: steroidal delusion. On September ninth, twenty ten, roughly a year 200 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: after the release of the Paparazzi video, when Lena Morgana's mother, 201 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: Yana Morgana, spoke to The New York Post and accused 202 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: Lady Gaga of stealing her daughter's entire creative vibe quote. 203 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: Every other word she says is from Lena. She talks 204 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: about having a dark and tragic life, but she had 205 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: everything she wanted in the world. She went to the 206 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: same high school as Nicki Hilton. Her parents were rich, 207 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: but Lena did have a tough life and she often 208 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: talked about her tragic life. Ms Morgana, who was still 209 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: clearly grieving her daughter, also said, and I quote Lady 210 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: Gaga is holding Lena's soul. This quote, I believe, more 211 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: than anything else, contributed to the wild theory that Lady 212 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: Gaga made a deal with the Illuminati to sacrifice her 213 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: friend's life in exchange for the fame she saw it, 214 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: which she was on her way to achieving with the 215 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: release of her debut album just two months before Lena 216 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: Morgana died and the album's name the fame On that album, 217 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: there were, according to Lena Morgana's mother, multiple songs that 218 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: were originally intended for Lena's own debut album, and that 219 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: those songs were either written solely by Lena Morgana and 220 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: or co written with Lady Gaga. Instead, Gaga allegedly used 221 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: them without properly crediting Morgana. To be clear, research shows 222 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: that the songs Gaga and Lina wrote together Chief among 223 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: Them and unreleased Lady Gaga tune called Wonderland. Though these 224 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: songs were originally considered for inclusion on the Fame album, 225 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: they were eventually omitted due to copyright issues, which given 226 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: that before her death, Lena Morgana had a release her 227 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: own song entitled Wonderland with just the title spelled differently 228 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: with a you instead of a O, this is probably 229 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: a wise decision, but the connection was still fuel for 230 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: the conspiracy theorist fire. One day after Lena Morgana's mother's 231 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: comments to the post, Lady Gaga was forced to shut 232 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: down the fanfum section of her website due to the 233 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: rapid spread of vitriolic conjecture and misinformation. Once the forum 234 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: was shut down, angry Lena Morgana supporters took to Twitter 235 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: and Facebook, where they lined up photos of Lina next 236 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: to Gaga in an effort to prove Lena's mother's point 237 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: that the nice, rich American girl from the Upper West 238 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: Side stole her daughter's dark side, her outsider attitude. Lena 239 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: was a young woman who emigrated to the US with 240 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: her parents as a child, A woman who was well 241 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: versed in struggle and darkness. Unlike Lady Gaga, who grew 242 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: up as Stephanie Germanada with privileges, le Morgana could only 243 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: dream of the images of Gaga and Lena in this 244 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: new context were striking. There's teenage Lady Gaga. Excuse me, 245 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: there's teenage Stephanie Germanada, tan and beaming into the camera 246 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: on her bed, hand drawn pictures of hearts and rainbows 247 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: tacked to the wall behind her. And there she is 248 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: a year or so later, still in high school, wearing 249 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: an expensive athletic pollover, looking more like a high school 250 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: athlete than a freak with a dark side. And then 251 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: there's the official high school photo with Stephanie again smiling, 252 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: looking over her bare shoulder at the camera. It's a 253 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: picture you may have seen a million times. My wife, 254 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: who went to high school around the same time Gaga did, 255 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: has a high school photo of herself in the exact 256 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: same pose. Fast forward a couple of years later to 257 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: Stephanie's college years at NYU, with her on stage looking 258 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: decidedly fresh faced and out of place behind the microphone 259 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: with a cheap keyboard on stan. Absolutely none of this 260 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: scans as being dark. But then then there are the 261 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: photos of Stephanie as a young version of Lady Gaga 262 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: from a couple of years later, which are lined up 263 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: right next to images of Lina Morgana. Gaga is shown 264 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: with her black bangs and teased out hair from her 265 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven Lollapolooza side stage set, a much 266 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: darker version of Gaga than pre Lina Morgana Erastephanie Germanada, 267 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: and then we see Lena with her long jet black hair. 268 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: Another series of shots shows Gaga wearing a pink wig 269 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: from a photo in two thousand and nine. Lina is 270 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: wearing a pink wig and a photo from a few 271 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: years earlier in two thousand and five. Gaga is captured 272 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: in a full body profile shot her hips arched back, 273 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: her arms in the air from twenty ten, and Lina 274 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: is captured in a near identical pose from two thousand 275 00:18:55,160 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: and six. The similarities are well, they're strain, to say 276 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: the least. But do they prove that Lady Gaga murdered 277 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: Lena Morgana, No, of course not. Do they disprove that 278 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: Lady Gaga appropriated some of her friend's style as her own, No, 279 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: they don't. If anything, they prove the opposite. Do they 280 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: prove that Lady Gaga is part of the illuminati. They 281 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: do not. But the photos of Lady Gaga incorporating the 282 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: all seeing eye gesture in her Born This Way video, 283 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: well those might. We'll be right back after this. We're, We're, We're. 284 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: Lady Gaga sits in front of the camera. The gesture 285 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: couldn't be clearer. She's covering one eye with her hand. 286 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,479 Speaker 1: In doing so, she leaves her other eye exposed, just 287 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: like she did in the Born This Way video, and 288 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: in the Bad Romance video, and in numerous photo shoots 289 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: where Gaga has obscured one eye either with her hand, 290 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: with her hair, or with lighting. It's the eye of Providence, 291 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: the one eye on the pyramid from the US dollar. 292 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 1: It means that they're always watching, and it means that 293 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: Lady Gaga is one of them. She can't help herself. 294 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: She's making the symbol now at the dinner table, dressed 295 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: in another McQueen cloak. Everyone at the table is dressed 296 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: to the nines. This is a special event, one of 297 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: a handful of high profiles secret gatherings held every year 298 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: at undisclosed elite enclaves. The guest list is tight. Gaga 299 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: is seated next to former President Bill Clinton, who can't 300 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: help but be charmed by the sexy, young Italian woman 301 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: at his side. Gaga knows that she's special about It 302 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: was Bill's office that recommended to the incoming Biden administration 303 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: that she sing at the forty six president's inauguration. You see, 304 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: these are the types of results that come from being 305 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: part of this group, which is why Gaga thought so 306 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: hard to be accepted. She knew even back in her 307 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: Lower East Side days, that there's fame and then there's 308 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: the fame. They're two wildly different things. Fame gets you 309 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: up on the screen, on the pages of the magazines, 310 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: on the covers of newspapers. Fame gets you clicks and 311 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: likes and shares. But fame is fleeting. It guarantees you nothing. 312 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: The fame, on the other hand, gets you a seat 313 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: at the table and access to the most powerful people 314 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: in the world, people who will help you because they 315 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: know you'll help them, and because they also know you 316 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: can keep a secret, because they know your darkest scenects. 317 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: They know what you did to your friend, and you 318 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: know they know, so whatever they do for you and 319 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: whatever you do for them, it stays within the organization, 320 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: and you'll never tell, and you'll continue supporting each other, 321 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: and the wheel of power will continuously spin for you 322 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: and your elite group of associates, and the fame will 323 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: be preserved. The Illuminati is not a new organization. Its 324 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: roots go back to seventeen seventy six in Bavaria, when 325 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: the powerful realized that the coming trend of democracy would 326 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: spread globally and that the people, once they had power, 327 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: would most certainly destroy everything. The global class of emperors, 328 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: kings and rulers had spent the past many centuries building, 329 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: so there was a sudden need for a secret organization, 330 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: a secret class of power brokers, to keep the world 331 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: running the way God in tended it to run, and 332 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: thus the Bavarian Illuminati was formed. The Catholics quickly forced 333 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: the organization underground, where it has remained, but spread beyond 334 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: Europe to the new power center in the States, pulling 335 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: the strings of the new world order and shaping global 336 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: events and attitudes ever since. Illuminati members have carte blanche. 337 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: They can exist with immunity from any nation's laws, provided 338 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: they support and protect their fellow members and the organization, 339 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: which in turn, the Illuminati believes protects the world. Sacrifice 340 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: is prerequisite to membership, and when members make grave mistakes, 341 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: usually behaving publicly in ways that betray the secrecy of 342 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: the group, then additional grave sacrifices are required. The group 343 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: is large but tight. Occasionally, others who achieve certain status 344 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: and power on their own, as Lady Gaga had, are 345 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: invited in. If they refuse, they themselves are sacrificed. President 346 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy learned this the hard way, as did 347 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: his son. Gaga looks across as a table at Bill's 348 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: wife Hillary Gaga knows all about their additional sacrifices. Vince 349 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: Foster seth Rich. She looks down the table at Jay 350 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: Z seated next to his wife Beyonce, and Gaga thinks 351 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,479 Speaker 1: about Becky with good hair. George W. Bush is seated 352 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: next to Beyonce, and he's making her laugh. In his 353 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: old age, he looks exactly like his father, George H. W. Bush, 354 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: one of the most notorious and deadliest members of this group, which, 355 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: given that his son fabricated a war in the Middle 356 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: East out of well, pretty much nothing is saying something. 357 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: Chrissy Tigan and John Legend are seated at the far 358 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: end of the table pur their request, they're being served 359 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: exclusively by little people. Their diminutive servers have blacked out 360 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,959 Speaker 1: Panda eyes rates them mercilessly with every visit to the table. 361 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: Her tongue is wicked, and John is silent. Gaga prays 362 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: he won't sing this evening. Tom Hanks and Oprah have 363 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: their own eyes blacked out like Panda's in solidarity with 364 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: the little people. This minor rebellion goes unchallenged. Jimmy Kimmel 365 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: is seated next to Oprah, and he's dressed as Oprah 366 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: in blackface, of course, as he'd famously done on his 367 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: series The Man Show. Jimmy fixes his attention on a 368 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: single chocolate doughnut that sits on a pristine plate in 369 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: front of him. Gaga wonders if the others get the joke. 370 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: It's a reference to an incredibly offensive bit in an 371 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: old episode of The Man Show that she's seen a 372 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: million times. There's an empty seat reserved for Sean Ditty Combs, 373 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: which will be occupied in two to four. Gaga's heart 374 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,479 Speaker 1: skips a beat when she considers Ditty's return. He creeps 375 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: her the fuck out those stories about Kim and Pawk big. 376 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: The rest of the seats around the large table are 377 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: filled with less than boldface names government operatives, CIA agents, 378 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: and entertainment industry leaders. This organization has expertly used its 379 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: members from government and big business to shape and control 380 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: world events, everything from the French Revolution King Louis and 381 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: Marie Antoinette wouldn't play a ball to the Kennedy assassination. 382 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, you can't just tell the world 383 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: you're going to destroy the CIA and to quote a 384 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: thousand pieces and expect nothing to happen to you. And 385 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: to Watergate because well because Nixon knew who killed Jack, 386 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: the crack epidemic and the spread of HIV and AIDS, 387 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: the population control nine to eleven, it's too complicated and 388 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: COVID done. You might look at the outcome of these 389 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: events and see only death and destruction, but members of 390 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: the organization look at these events and see order control. 391 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: Without the order they provide, they believe there would quite 392 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: literally be no world at all. Everything would crumble in 393 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: their reward for this stewardship, literally whatever they want in 394 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: this world, money, sex, power, the fame, all of it, endless. 395 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: Lady Gaga looked up from her rightful seat at the 396 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: table of the Illuminati in there is no Illuminati. I 397 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: mean there was, but there no longer is. The Bavarian 398 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: Illuminati was a real organization, and the Bavarian Illuminati was 399 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: its actual name. But it was, just as I alluded to, 400 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: eradicated primarily by the Catholics back in the eighteenth century. 401 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: But if you're like me, you probably know people who 402 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: believe there is such a thing as the Illuminati, a 403 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: powerful cabal of global elites, titans of industry and tech 404 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: bros and politicians and entertainers who meet yearly at Davos, 405 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: Bohemian grove in the Sun Valley Conference, whereupon they plot 406 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: the world's next calamity, which you will most certainly pay for, 407 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: and then they satisfy themselves with erotic sex workers traffic 408 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: from parts unknown while gorging upon the tender skin of 409 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: newborns after celebrating their latest satanic blood ritual. I shit 410 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: you not. People believe this, and if you're one of them, 411 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: please get in touch. I'd love to hear your take 412 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: on Lady Gaga's supposed involvement with the Illuminati. Though I 413 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: don't believe she has any such involvement, obviously, but Lady 414 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: Gaga couldn't help herself when it comes to myth building. 415 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: As we've already detailed in part one of this episode, 416 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: Lady Gaga is a master. Just as she expertly played 417 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: the media in her Detractor on the subject of her 418 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,719 Speaker 1: supposed intersexuality, again refusing to address the rumor, she also 419 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: perfectly worked the online conspiracy theorists into a fever pitch 420 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: of misinformation, which only served to further mythologize her identity. 421 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: She did this when she told Rolling Stone Magazine in 422 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: twenty ten the following quote. I have this recurring dream 423 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: sometimes where there's a phantom in my home and he 424 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: takes me into a room and there's a blonde girl 425 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: with ropes tied to all fours on her limbs, and 426 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: she's got my shoes on from the Grammys. Go figure, psycho, 427 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,959 Speaker 1: she says, And then she goes on to say, and 428 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: the ropes are pulling her apart. So I looked up 429 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: the dream and I couldn't find it anywhere, and my 430 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: mother goes, isn't that an Illuminati ritual? And I was like, 431 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: oh my god. These comments by Lady Gaga, combined with 432 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: the comments by Yana Morgana, Lena Morgana's mother, led to 433 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: the conspiracy theory that says, not only did Lady Gaga 434 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: steal Lena Morgana's style in music, not only did Lady 435 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: Gaga murder Lena Morgana so that she alone could capture 436 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: the fame they were both chasing, but that Lady Gaga 437 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: murdered Lena Morgana as a blood sacrifice to the Illuminati 438 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,959 Speaker 1: to gain entrance into that elite club and lock in 439 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: her fame and power for the rest of her breathing days. 440 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: For the record, as ridiculous as it seems, I feel 441 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: like I need to state unequivocally that not only do 442 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: I not believe in the Illuminati or that Lady Gaga 443 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: is a member of said organization, I also don't believe 444 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: that Lady Gaga murdered Lena Morgana. There are exactly zero 445 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: credible reports putting her on the roof of that Staten 446 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: Island hotel that day, as has been claimed on the Internet. 447 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: That's just something that's supposed online sluice put out there, 448 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: but incredibly it too is something people still believe do 449 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: I think Gaga appropriated some of her deceased friends style. Yes, 450 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: I think that's obvious, but I believe this falls under 451 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: the category of influence rather than creative theft. These conspiracy 452 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: theories exist, and they persist for several reasons. Number One, 453 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: people crave explanation, and in the absence of one, or 454 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: in the face of one that isn't deemed satisfactory or 455 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: dramatic enough, people will fabricate explanations. This practice is as 456 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: old as time and it's never going away. Number two, 457 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: this behavior is more jarring than ever in the current 458 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: phase of this digital age we live in, when massive 459 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: amounts of people lack the requisite skills needed to process 460 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: the torrent of information that has become available to us. 461 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: On the one hand, you have older people who believe 462 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: that media still operates as it did in the twentieth century, 463 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: and on the other you have young people who don't 464 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: understand or value the old models of journalistic sourcing. Number three, 465 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: Music fans are obsessive. The connection they feel with their 466 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: favorite artists and with the history of music in general 467 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: is often so strong that no wormhole is too deep 468 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: or too weird. I mean, hello, it's exactly what we've 469 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: been doing here for the past seven years, and the 470 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: bigger the artists, often the bigger the obsession and the 471 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: bigger need for explanation number four, and this is the 472 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: final reason Lady Gaga. Lady Gaga herself is, like I said, 473 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: a master myth maker. She knows exactly what she's doing 474 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: and she's been doing it from the time she set 475 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: out to become the biggest pop star on the planet. 476 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: Her origin story is at best a messy manipulation of 477 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: her past, constructed to paint a picture that her fans 478 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: would better identify with. The less credible pieces of herself 479 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: described come up were litigated in the press during the 480 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: time her star took off. Lady Gaga's music and fame. 481 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: Hypocrisy is the real Lady Gaga lost behind the poker face. 482 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: The lie becomes the truth constructions of authenticity. This is 483 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: just a small sample of negative Lady Gaga headlines from 484 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: Newsweek and other credible publications. But like Lady Gaga, her 485 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: fans don't or they didn't care, and her detractors, the 486 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: conspiracy minded ones anyway, they saw an opening. If Lady 487 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: Gaga lied about her past, then why wouldn't she lie 488 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: about having a penis, about murdering Lena morgana about being 489 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: a member of the Illuminati. There's a quote from Lady 490 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: Gaga and Marie Callahan's excellent biography poker Face, The Rise 491 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: and Rise of Lady Gaga, where Gaga says, I hate 492 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: the truth. I hate the truth so much I prefer 493 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: a giant dose of bullshit any day over the truth, 494 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: because Lady Gaga knows that the truth, though sometimes interesting, 495 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: is often far less entertaining than fiction. And I ask you, 496 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: do you truly think that is a disgrace. 497 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 2: I'm Jake Brennan and this is Disgraceland. 498 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: All right, thanks for listening to this two part episode 499 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: on Lady Gaga. Question of the week is an obvious one. 500 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: Do you believe any of these Lady Gaga conspiracy theories? 501 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: And if so, I want to know why? 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