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Speaker 4: What's up, everybody?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the second episode of Native Land Pod, where

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Speaker 1: we break down all that's happening in politics, with a

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Speaker 1: I'm Tiffany Cross here with angela Ryan Andrew gillim and

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Speaker 5: Last that though. That's real, that's real. There's always we

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Speaker 5: And the truth is is just hang in there.

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Speaker 1: on this episode, I want to give you guys a

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Speaker 1: little preview what we're going.

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Speaker 4: To talk about.

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Speaker 1: We have to discuss Donald Trump dominating corn rows and

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Speaker 1: white mountains, and by that.

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Speaker 4: I mean Iowa, New Hampshire.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to talk about Donald Trump, but he

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Speaker 1: is the front runner of the Republican Party, so we

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Speaker 1: do want to talk about what happen in Iowa and

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Speaker 1: really just a GOP field as a whole. We're also

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Speaker 1: going to get into some conversation around outreach.

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Speaker 4: The black voters. What is our ask and what should

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Speaker 4: be our ask?

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Speaker 3: How about that?

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Speaker 1: But stay with us and until the end of the show,

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Speaker 1: because as you all know, each episode, uh, myself and

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Speaker 1: my co host were we got a testimony and we

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Speaker 1: are each going to share what happened with us since.

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Speaker 4: Y'all last heard from us.

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Speaker 1: And so at the end of this episode, I am

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Speaker 1: going to answer a question I've been asked a lot

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Speaker 1: over the last year, and that is what exactly happened

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Speaker 1: with me at MSNBC, So stick around because I got

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Speaker 1: a testimony for y'all today. All right, Angela Andrew, what

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Speaker 1: y'all want to do? Where should we kick it off?

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Speaker 1: I kind of want to get into Iowa just to

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Speaker 1: get it out the way, to be honest, get it

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll kick us off.

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Speaker 1: I just want to play this SoundBite from this full

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Speaker 1: ass clown. See I already let a curse hoorse slip through.

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Speaker 1: But this man is so ridiculous. The people who call

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Speaker 1: themselves pro life, okay, uh.

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Speaker 4: This is their leader? Is this your king? Take a

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Speaker 4: listen to this and we'll talk about it on the

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Speaker 4: other side.

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Speaker 6: So if you want to save America from Brook and

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Speaker 6: Joe Biden, you must go call this tomorrow for the

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Speaker 6: first step, the first step.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna do it.

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Speaker 7: We gotta do it big.

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Speaker 5: You gotta get life.

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Speaker 6: You can't sit home if you're sick as a dog.

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Speaker 6: Even if you vote and then pass away, it's worth it.

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Speaker 6: If you're sick, if you're just a shinky cat, don't it.

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Speaker 6: I don't think get up.

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Speaker 1: Get up.

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Speaker 4: Please miss me.

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Speaker 1: The next time you see a bunch of maga half

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Speaker 1: witted folks holding up pro life signs.

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Speaker 5: You do realize these people are laughing at this man

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Speaker 5: talking about the meaning that you have to die. He

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Speaker 5: is dead serious, is he ain't joking?

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Speaker 3: He's like, sacrifice your life for me. This is the

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Speaker 3: man who was behind an insurrection that like little lukewarm

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Speaker 3: admonishing he gave to his followers on January sixth, twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty one. This is the same man today and forevermore.

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Speaker 3: He absolutely wants them to risk it off for him,

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Speaker 3: off a dream. He's selling a dream that is all

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Speaker 3: of the rest of our nightmare. And he really wants

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Speaker 3: these folks to get out here and do this on

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Speaker 3: behalf of their racism. We know exactly what it is.

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Speaker 3: We're not confused.

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Speaker 4: He's a fraud.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even like with the wall, like Mexico's gonna

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Speaker 1: pay for the wall, like his donors have been paying

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Speaker 1: for this false effort that's not happening. His donors have

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Speaker 4: Falling for it.

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Speaker 1: But honestly, I kind of feel like this whole GOP field,

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Speaker 1: they're all garbage, you know, I wasn't surprised at what

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Speaker 1: once did I hear anybody ask how do you account

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Speaker 1: for the racist comments that you've heard from all of

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Speaker 1: has to account for that, least of all Nimrada, who

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Speaker 1: you might know as Nikki Hayley uh Love.

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Speaker 4: Check this out. Listen to what she said.

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Speaker 5: Are you a racist party? Are you involved in a

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 8: We're not a racist country, Brian. We've never been a

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Speaker 8: racist country. Our goal is to make sure that today

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Speaker 8: is better than yesterday. Are we perfect? No, But our

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Speaker 8: more perfect if every day that we can. I know

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Speaker 8: I faced racism when I was growing up, but I

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Speaker 8: or anything else. We've had enough of that in America.

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Speaker 8: That's why I'm so passionate about doing this. I don't

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Speaker 8: I want them to know that if they work hard,

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Speaker 4: Want to be in America, lord hip.

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Speaker 9: Like what.

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Speaker 3: First of all, here's my house.

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Speaker 5: I just marvel at the privilege, the privilege, the privilege

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Speaker 5: it must be to exempt yourself out of what is

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Speaker 5: so many of ours every single day reality, multiple times

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Speaker 3: But Andrew, did she exempt herself? I don't think she did.

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Speaker 3: First of all, let's there's three issues here. The first

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Speaker 3: issue is she's the question was are you a racist party?

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Speaker 3: She talks about not a racist country. She couldn't even

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Speaker 5: The second was yah.

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Speaker 3: The second thing is we're not a racist country from

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Speaker 3: when Nikki from it's founding from the sixties and the

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Speaker 3: it that racism ended right after you experienced racism? Because

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Speaker 3: you're saying what you don't want your kids to experience,

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Speaker 3: But what you're certainly not saying is that they have

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Speaker 3: as Tif said, is masterful at talking out of both

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Speaker 3: sides of her mouth, just like Alita. Her leader is

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Speaker 5: If you're confused, Hey, Angela, we don't want to be

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Speaker 5: talking to our kids about them being disadvantaged in any way,

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Speaker 5: to my boys about what it means to have to

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Speaker 5: demure themselves in dark spaces or as they encounter people

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Speaker 5: And so Nikki or miss Haley former governor, we agree

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Speaker 5: our kids about that either. But what what what I

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Speaker 5: don't understand Tiff and Angela, is what is the point

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Speaker 5: of all of this right now? The the the persuading

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Speaker 5: by the candidates from the leader of the party Trump,

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Speaker 5: you know, all the way down to the bottom of

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Speaker 5: the pits DeSantis. They're all trumpeting this racist brand of politics,

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Speaker 5: and it's there's there's there's no it's not veiled, there's

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Speaker 5: no thin layer between. This is the most obvious set

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Speaker 5: of stuff I've ever seen. And I almost said a word,

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Speaker 5: but we've been admonished not to use bad words about

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Speaker 5: our parents, and I'm serious. But that's a sidebar. We'll

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Speaker 5: talk about that later on this topic. Though, the very

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Speaker 5: founder of our country, the great and original sin. Every

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Speaker 5: major conflict domestically that has popped up, that has galvanized,

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Speaker 5: intended to divide our nation, going even to the Civil War,

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Speaker 5: where more Americans were killed and in that war than

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Speaker 5: in every war we have ever fought as a nation

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Speaker 5: from then forward combined, what is strong enough to divide

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Speaker 5: a nation so fiercely that you could cut down your

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Speaker 5: fellow American and not think again about it. Well, I'll

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Speaker 5: tell you what that thing is. And it's the same

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Speaker 5: complexity that the founders themselves faced in Philadelphia when they

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Speaker 5: decided to make us three four us. Since the beginning

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Speaker 5: of time, there has never been a person, a human

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Speaker 5: regardless of what they're hue, that has any that has

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Speaker 5: been anything other than human. So at what point did

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Speaker 5: the country come to the realization that we were then

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think most of our listeners know

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Speaker 1: that this. Of course, the country is a racist country.

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Speaker 1: It was founded on racism. I think a lot of

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Speaker 5: Why did the Civil War occur?

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Speaker 3: Why does that matter right now? Going back to Andrew's

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Speaker 1: So I'm always disappointed when I hear people because what

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Speaker 4: Andrew, you guys something else on this.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'll just say I'm sick of the question being asked,

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Speaker 1: of daylight between any of these candidates. They're all the same.

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Speaker 1: A week's at all of all the Republicans. I'm speaking

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Speaker 1: specifically about the Republican base or the Republican pool of candidates.

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Speaker 1: A week is an eternity in politics. We had a

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Speaker 1: long time to dive into why these folks are garbage.

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Speaker 1: To me, It's time to pay the bills with a

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Speaker 1: quick commercial break, So don't go anywhere because we'll be

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Speaker 1: right back, all right. I want to get into something else.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about black voter outreach. And the

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Speaker 1: reason I want to talk about this is because the

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Speaker 1: d TRIP, which is the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, has

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Speaker 1: committed thirty five million dollars to reach voters of color.

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Speaker 4: So that's a big umbrella. By voters of color.

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Speaker 1: They're referencing black voters, the members of the Api community,

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Speaker 1: Asian American Pacific Islander, the Indigenous community, and of course

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Speaker 1: the Latino community. I find this really interesting and I

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Speaker 1: really want to throw this to you, Angela, because I

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Speaker 1: think it's a really fair point that you make all

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Speaker 1: the time about we uphold this party, and so I

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Speaker 1: want to look at what does this outreach look like?

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Speaker 1: What should this outreach look like, and what should our

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Speaker 1: ass be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, as I understand it, they've named this initiative power, Persuade, Organize, welcome, educate,

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Speaker 3: and reach. They've committed five million more than they did

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Speaker 3: last cycle. For us, a cycle is an election cycle.

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Speaker 3: I know that sometimes we use terms on here that

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Speaker 3: everybody doesn't necessarily know. I think that more I want

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Speaker 3: to know, like the line items for this right. You know,

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Speaker 3: there was some pushback that we got after Leonard and

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Speaker 3: I did Joy Show and I talked about campaign consultants

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Speaker 3: and polsters and communication strategists. How are they spending this money?

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Speaker 3: Because if they are targeting voters of color but they're

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Speaker 3: not utilizing consultants of color, I think we find ourselves

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Speaker 3: in the same position. Why am I so upset about this?

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Speaker 3: Why am I always pushing this Because we've been having

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Speaker 3: the same discussion cycle after cycle with little impact. We

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Speaker 3: need people who aren't as informed as we might be

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Speaker 3: because of where we worked because of Andrew. Where we've run, right.

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Speaker 3: We need folks who you know, ride the bus to work,

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Speaker 3: who maybe have been formally incarcerated and just out and

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Speaker 3: want to see politics serve them. The folks who are

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Speaker 3: barely keeping the lights on the folks who are saying

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Speaker 3: I don't know how I'm going to get to the

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Speaker 3: ballot box because I just have to pick up my

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Speaker 3: child on time from daycare, right if they can afford daycare.

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Speaker 3: I want to make sure that we are reaching those folks,

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Speaker 3: and we can't do that trying the same old tactics.

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Speaker 3: Desperate times call for desperate measures. We know that democracy

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Speaker 3: is on the line. We also know that every time

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Speaker 3: turnout is low, the first group of people they blame

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Speaker 3: are their most loyal and faithful base. And I'm looking

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Speaker 3: at them as black voters, right, So I want to

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Speaker 3: make sure that they are treating us as loyal and faithful.

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Speaker 3: Where are you buying ads right? Who are you retaining?

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Speaker 3: What do your focus groups look like? Have you had

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Speaker 3: any conversations with CBC members state legislators of the National

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Speaker 3: Black Caucus of State Legislators NBC, which is the local

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Speaker 3: elected officials. Folks like Andrew who ran the Young Elected

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Speaker 3: Officials Network. Are you talking to young elected officials who

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Speaker 3: overcame so much and as an elected official of color,

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Speaker 3: have something to say. They were able to mobilize a

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Speaker 3: base that you can never even touch. That means you

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Speaker 3: have to do some different things, some extraordinary things to

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Speaker 3: get some extraordinary results. We need that kind of effort.

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Speaker 3: It is a code read. And if the party doesn't

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Speaker 3: realize it's a code read right now, they're in trouble.

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Speaker 3: And you could throw as much money as you want

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Speaker 3: to at it, but if you don't spend it in

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Speaker 3: the right places and talk to people about it how

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Speaker 3: to spend it differently, you gonna find yourself in the

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Speaker 3: same spot.

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Speaker 5: That's real and Angela, my responses on the other side

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Speaker 5: of that, which is thirty five million to win an election,

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Speaker 5: how many millions, billions, trillions toward public policy that then

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Speaker 5: benefits and expands opportunities the lives, livelihoods, and lifestyles of

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Speaker 5: communities of color. Because look, I believe the Democrats will

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Speaker 5: spend whatever is required to get the voters they need

518
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Speaker 5: in order to win that they believe in another win.

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Speaker 5: So what I'm saying is if they thought that it

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Speaker 5: was going to cost them, because this campaign will cost

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Speaker 5: what a billion a campaign a billion for each of

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Speaker 5: the parties and their allied groups. That's so thirty five

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Speaker 5: million a billion over the course of the campaign when

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Speaker 5: I ran for governor of the state of Florida, where

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Speaker 5: black people are still only about eleven percent of the

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Speaker 5: voting population. Yes, we had tactics that were very specific

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Speaker 5: and discreete to different activities that minority groups and people

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Speaker 5: of color might do. But black people were part of

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Speaker 5: the center of my campaign, and so in all of ours,

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Speaker 5: spending not in a set aside, but what runs through

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Speaker 5: the bloodstream. The body of the campaign was talking to

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Speaker 5: communities of color and folks who were similarly situated, and

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Speaker 5: I identified who need public policy that works for them too,

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Speaker 5: because we're not a monolith and people are tired of

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Speaker 5: just surviving. They're sick of it. I heard a homeless

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Speaker 5: man interview the other night on a local news station

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Speaker 5: who said, no, I didn't want that. I ain't want

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Speaker 5: him to give it to me. I just wanted an

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Speaker 5: opportunity to earn it. This man doesn't know where he

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Speaker 5: may sleep tonight, but his interest was not in getting

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Speaker 5: something that was for free, but rather having an opportunity

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Speaker 5: to earn it for himself. So don't mistake us. We're

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Speaker 5: not asking that we want to be able to compete,

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Speaker 5: to earn and to know that off the strength of

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Speaker 5: our value and our work alone, that we will earn

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Speaker 5: what we deserve to be paid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I want to pick up on your point, Angela,

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Speaker 1: because that it's interesting the way that white supremacy has

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Speaker 1: framed the thinking of some black folks. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: pull from my good brother Andrew Gillam. I'm gonna share

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Speaker 1: a bit of a private conversation we had and it's

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Speaker 1: really we have to encourage.

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Speaker 4: Encourage people.

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Speaker 1: I ain't gonna tell that at all this show, maybe

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Speaker 1: next show, but we have to encourage people to tap

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Speaker 1: into their imagination because I think Andrew, you've made the

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Speaker 1: point before, like that's what they do. They capture our imagination.

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Speaker 1: So if you can't envision a democracy that serves you,

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Speaker 1: because when we say of the people, by the people,

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Speaker 1: for the people, some people are okay with that as

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Speaker 1: long as for the people doesn't include us. And no

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Speaker 1: matter how they make us feel, this is our home.

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Speaker 1: Our ancestors built this joint for free, as my good

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Speaker 1: sister Angela says. And so I think we have every rights.

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Speaker 1: We have every right to make demands of this country.

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Speaker 1: We have every right to criticize this party. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's the punctuating point that Angela was making. And

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Speaker 1: in addition to that, we might lose some of our

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Speaker 1: a man corner here. But white liberals, white liberals are

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Speaker 1: problematic and a lot of these spaces. I worked in

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Speaker 1: labor briefly, and every suggestion I had it was all

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Speaker 1: about organizing communities of color. Every suggestion I had was

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Speaker 1: sumarily dismissed most of the time because they just didn't

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Speaker 1: understand the culture. There's ethnicity and there's culture. They did

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Speaker 1: not understand the culture. And so when I would suggest

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Speaker 1: things like, hey, not everybody is going to an NAACP

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Speaker 1: meeting at six point thirty on Friday, Like, there are

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Speaker 1: other ways where black people organized and galvanized. You got brunches,

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Speaker 1: you got book clubs, you got jack and jail, you

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Speaker 1: got the Divine nine.

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Speaker 4: You have all these pockets.

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Speaker 1: It's not just churches, barbershops, beauty salons and civil rights groups,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, all those places have a role.

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Speaker 1: But you do have to stretch yourself and think beyond that.

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Speaker 1: And they would pay consultants big, huge contracts like twenty

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Speaker 1: five to fifty thousand dollars a month who don't look

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Speaker 1: like me, who are telling you how to talk to

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Speaker 1: people who do look like me.

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Speaker 4: That makes zero sense.

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Speaker 1: Like to quote the great urban Philosopherdrick Lamar, sit down

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Speaker 1: and be humble, like this is the area where you

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Speaker 1: really don't know what you're talking about. And it's insulting.

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Speaker 1: Like even in their their their effort to work for equality,

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Speaker 1: it is still from a perspective of I know better

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Speaker 1: than you or I'm okay with this as long as

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Speaker 1: we don't get into areas that don't make me feel comfortable.

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Speaker 4: And that's a problem.

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Speaker 1: To Angela's point about contracts, consultants, all of that matters,

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Speaker 1: even polsters, all of that matter. What do the people

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Speaker 1: look like on your campaign? So you're telling me you're

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Speaker 1: trying to reach out to these communities, but your campaign don't.

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Speaker 1: Your campaign look more like Iowa, New Hampshire than it

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Speaker 1: does Atlanta, Miami, La, Detroit, Chicago. That's not okay. So

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Speaker 1: I got a challenge with it. I know Andrew's campaign

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Speaker 1: look good, Angela was down there getting on it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Here's here's the Here's the thing though, that I want

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Speaker 3: to flag TIF and Andrew to these points. There is

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Speaker 3: if you were saying that they everything was summarily rejected,

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Speaker 3: all your ideas were severely rejected, that is by design.

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Speaker 3: That is, there is a stronghold of a good old

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Speaker 3: boys network that exists not just in the Democratic Party operators,

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Speaker 3: the same thing exists in the Republican Party and even

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Speaker 3: worse right. But what I'm saying is some of these

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Speaker 3: things have to be dismantled and disrupted for them to

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Speaker 3: actually win. And so if they really care about winning Tiff,

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Speaker 3: as you say all the time, the rising majority of America,

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Speaker 3: you have to do something different. It's not throwing an

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Speaker 3: extra five million dollars at it. Because at the core

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Speaker 3: of this campaign is combating disinformation. How what does that

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Speaker 3: look like? You have a hub on your site and

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Speaker 3: you think people are going to go visit that's side.

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Speaker 3: How will they know about this site? You have folks

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Speaker 3: who are working on telling people about voter suppression. They

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Speaker 3: know about voter suppression. See, our issue is they keep

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Speaker 3: talking to people who are already involved, already brought into

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Speaker 3: the fold don't need to be reached. And if you

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Speaker 3: keep talking to those people who don't need to be reached,

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Speaker 3: what's your vocus group talking about? What are they saying?

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Speaker 3: Tipp has told you, you know, these are the things

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Speaker 3: that I'm here from people in my family, my friends,

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Speaker 3: who are not politically engaged. D Trip has said they're

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Speaker 3: focusing on seven districts in California. Two in California, one

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Speaker 3: in Florida, one in New Mexico, two in Texas, and

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Speaker 3: one in North Carolina. That's gonna be a black and

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Speaker 3: brown strategy. Who are the consultants? We'll be here next week,

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Speaker 3: same time, same place, d Trip, Please, by all means,

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Speaker 3: send us the names of the consultants who are black

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Speaker 3: and brown, who you've engaged in this work. We want

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Speaker 3: to know and we want to know how much you're

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Speaker 3: spending with them. And don't tell us that seventy five

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Speaker 3: percent of this is going to add buys. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: for the people online who said, why does this matter?

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Speaker 3: I'm in the weeds. It matters that I'm in the

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Speaker 3: weeds because it's your cousin and your auntie and your

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Speaker 3: church member who's not involved. You might be. You might

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Speaker 3: already be in the hive, and that's great for you, honey.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about the people who don't feel like they're

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Speaker 3: gonna get up off the couch. It's not about them

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Speaker 3: voting for Donald Trump or Nikki Haley or whomever else

651
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Speaker 3: ends up running against Joe Biden. It is about making

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Speaker 3: sure that they feel heard and seen enough to go

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Speaker 3: to the polls. I already had to risk it all.

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Speaker 5: Once same and then after they do that, produce the

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Speaker 5: public policy. Yes, that's going to get us free. Yes,

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Speaker 5: produce the evidence I want the receipts. The receipts are

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Speaker 5: not your election. The receipts are the bills, the policies,

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Speaker 5: the systems, the structures, the organizations, the entities that you

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Speaker 5: dismantle that stand in the way of my liberation.

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Speaker 1: Because if I am only of value to you as

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Speaker 1: I show up to vote, then you don't honor my life.

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Speaker 1: I am of value because I am a child of God.

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Speaker 1: I was produced here, I breathe, I love, I feel

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Speaker 1: just like you. That is my value. And so when

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Speaker 1: I start from a place of saying, hey, I understand

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Speaker 1: the person who does not want to participate in the

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Speaker 1: very system that has harmed them. I'm not saying don't vote.

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Speaker 1: I'm showing up in first to say, I understand you.

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Speaker 4: Brother.

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Speaker 1: Ain't nobody asking you to believe in this white man's democracy.

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Speaker 1: We asking you to believe in you happen to your imagination.

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Speaker 1: And what does a government look like that services you,

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Speaker 1: your family and protects the country and advances equality for everybody.

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Speaker 1: I think that's an important point.

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Speaker 3: Because you paid for it. Because you paid for it,

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Speaker 3: they work for you.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't require a whole bunch of imagination. I would

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Speaker 5: just say, treat me like you would want to treat

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Speaker 5: your your son or daughter, the things that the safeguards,

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Speaker 5: the protections, the the opportunities that you want in place

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Speaker 5: for them. I love it be imaginative enough to see

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Speaker 5: me like you might see your own child or a

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Speaker 5: member of your family, and you would do whatever you could.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about kids. For your you. I would tear

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Speaker 5: down these walls and this brick to to to to

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Speaker 5: do whatever I needed to do to make a way

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Speaker 5: from my child. So if that's the case, and I

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Speaker 5: believe it is for them too, put that brain on

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Speaker 5: and let that brain god your your action.

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Speaker 1: All right, Welcome back to Native Land pod, welcome back

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Speaker 1: home where we keep it a book, Give it to

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Speaker 1: you straight, No chase there this one. I was reading

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Speaker 1: the papers and I honestly thought about Andrew Gillham when

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Speaker 1: I saw this story. Andrew, Florida Man. Florida Man is

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Speaker 1: busy in your neck of the woods, and they wreak

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Speaker 1: havoc on everybody else. Now there is a story that

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Speaker 1: it might soon become illegal, literally illegal to call somebody racist, homophobic, misogynistic.

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Speaker 1: That somebody literally put this on the ballot. It was

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Speaker 1: yet another Florida Man. Now we got the good kind

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Speaker 1: of Florida man with us. Andrew, what is up with

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Speaker 1: this law? I mean, the reason I'm concerned about it

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Speaker 1: is because a lot of crappy laws emerged from state legislatures,

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Speaker 1: and so when we don't pay attention and don't take

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Speaker 1: it seriously, it ends up landing in Congress and becoming

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Speaker 1: a federal policy. So can you give us a background

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Speaker 1: on this? Is it possible that this actually might ask listen.

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Speaker 5: First of all, yes, in a state where Ron Dea

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Speaker 5: Santis chief a spokesperson as CEO executive director of Florida

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Speaker 5: Man Incorporated, Yeah, it could. But guess what. I don't

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Speaker 5: think there's a snowballs chance in hell that free speech

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Speaker 5: lawsuit wouldn't immediately ensue and stop this whole thing in

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Speaker 5: its track. But more importantly, this is coming from Rond

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Speaker 5: DeSantis and his party here in Florida, who basically invented

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Speaker 5: the word the pejorative and negative a tone a connection

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Speaker 5: of woke, wokee culture. I mean, they practically invented the

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Speaker 5: attack unquote woke people in wote culture because they said

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Speaker 5: they're acting like squirmy worms. They can't they just don't

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Speaker 5: have a spine. They can't hear anything they disagree with,

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Speaker 5: and so they wanted to legislate that you could not

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Speaker 5: be a whiny baby about the things that you don't like. Okay,

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Speaker 5: and I'm using they're approaching not how I think about it. Well,

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Speaker 5: how can that same group of people now pass suggests

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Speaker 5: legislaate that you can't call a racist a racist or

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Speaker 5: a call out institutions for the things that they do.

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Speaker 5: How can you abridge my free speech? Who's acting soft

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Speaker 5: and warming now ron so high Hills, ain't I ain't

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Speaker 5: hating I mean, if you know, they look good with them.

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Speaker 1: But this, this is from a state senator, Jason Broader.

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Speaker 1: Jason Broder, I don't know if I'm pronouncing his name right, Broder, Well, listen,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying his name because at some point, nobody knew

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Speaker 1: who Ron DeSantis was, and now everybody does, so like,

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Speaker 1: who knows where Jason can go introducing this kind of legislation.

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Speaker 1: He will rally the uninformed, the ignorant, the racists, the angry,

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Speaker 1: the misogynist and xenophobics, and they will rally behind this

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Speaker 1: man and try to send him to the White House

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Speaker 1: if we're not careful. So this is what's happening in Florida,

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Speaker 1: is what you got.

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Speaker 3: I just you know, there's nothing new under the sun

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Speaker 3: in the Sunshine State. And I think it's really really unfortunate,

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Speaker 3: you know, seeing that they would work to pass a

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Speaker 3: law that says that it is defamatory for you to

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Speaker 3: call someone racist what if they are? Or sexist? What

743
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: if they are? Or misogynists? What if they are? But

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Speaker 3: it's more of we cannot handle the truth of what

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Speaker 3: this country represents to so many people, and so we're

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Speaker 3: gonna work our very best, our most diligent to silence you.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's more of the same I said.

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Speaker 5: Of doing the campaign, A hit dog will.

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Speaker 3: Holler, Yes, it will.

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Speaker 5: They've been so offended by honest, a hit dog will holler.

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Speaker 5: And they're hollering through their legislation, their proposals because we've

752
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Speaker 5: come too close to the nose with this, with this stone. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: we've come far too close to them.

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Speaker 1: The best quote you had on the campaign, I thought

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Speaker 1: was on a debate stage. And when you say, I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying he's the racist, but the racists thinking are racist.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was such a brilliant line.

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Speaker 5: Andrew, that's what the party has become, that's what they

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Speaker 5: have their candidates have become. Yeah, they don't want us

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Speaker 5: to call them racist. But why is it that all

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Speaker 5: the races seem to be organized behind you all who

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Speaker 5: don't like diversity of women? What?

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Speaker 9: What?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 9: What?

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Speaker 4: Openly out louds?

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Speaker 9: Is it? Right?

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Speaker 1: They standing they standing down and standing by.

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Speaker 5: They know exactly what they're doing. You know exactly what

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Speaker 5: they're doing. And then and there's no there's you talk

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Speaker 5: about we give it straight, no chaser, they're giving it

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Speaker 5: to it straight. There's no content.

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Speaker 1: It's not just politics though, like I mean, as we say,

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Speaker 1: politics are everywhere.

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Speaker 5: Everywhere, are everywhere.

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Speaker 1: I'm shifting gears again. For those who don't know me

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Speaker 1: and are getting to know me, I happen to be

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Speaker 1: one of the country's most world renowned sports experts. People

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Speaker 1: are always begging me for my sports expertise. It is

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Speaker 1: no no, let's some football. I am happy to hear

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Speaker 1: there is a new black head coach in the NFL

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Speaker 1: and curious y'all's thoughts about it.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that the most important thing to note

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Speaker 3: is that for a league that has over seventy percent

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Speaker 3: of its players looking like us, the coaching staff does

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Speaker 3: not reflect the players. We know that the Rooney rule

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Speaker 3: has now been in place for over twenty five years,

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Speaker 3: but we've yet to see the real results from that,

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Speaker 3: and so it's always uh the rule is the Rooney

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Speaker 3: rule ensure that there would always be someone black interviewed

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Speaker 3: for coaching positions, for leadership positions in the NFL, and

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Speaker 3: it just hasn't netted what we would expect. I think

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Speaker 3: the same thing is true about affirmative action policy, right.

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Speaker 3: I think one of the smartest things Bill Clinton said

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Speaker 3: back in the day was amended, don't end it. And

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Speaker 3: I think the same thing applies now. Affirmative action has

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Speaker 3: got some yards to go pun intended here, and I

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Speaker 3: think the same is true for the Rooney rule. So

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Speaker 3: it's always great to have another black coach, but we

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Speaker 3: want to ensure that they have the ability to not

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Speaker 3: just be hired, but to be retained. And that is

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Speaker 3: the same thing we need across industry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to say it's Jared Mayo. He's

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Speaker 1: the new head coach of the New England Patriots. Good

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Speaker 1: Lucky Tree, you're in Boston, brother, we are with you.

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Speaker 4: Before we come to you. Andrew.

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Speaker 1: I just Angela made such a good point. I want

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Speaker 1: you out to hear from foreign players themselves. The Washington

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Speaker 1: Post did a great piece talking to black NFL players

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Speaker 1: on their thoughts on coaching in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Take a listen.

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Speaker 5: I do think the words genius, guru, quarterback, whisperer are

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Speaker 5: all phrases that they use to describe non African American coaches.

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Speaker 5: It's as if we don't have the same IQ intelligence

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Speaker 5: level as some of our other brothers. You can go

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Speaker 5: out and catch the ball, you can throw the ball,

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Speaker 5: but you can you lead.

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Speaker 9: I think that if owners would give black coaches more opportunities,

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Speaker 9: not saying that you have to keep a guy for

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Speaker 9: eight years, but you would if he won.

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Speaker 5: You're a minority coach, you got to win. It seems

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Speaker 5: like when you have diversity, well you've taken responsibility and

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Speaker 5: this topic is not a topic. But when you don't

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Speaker 5: have it, it's a topic.

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Speaker 4: So powerful, very powerful. Andrew what you got.

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Speaker 5: You know the beauty of that. And we all know

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Speaker 5: this to be the truth. Those gentlemen were not asking

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Speaker 5: for them to throw out the merit book. They didn't

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Speaker 5: say reduced to standards. They didn't say pay me more

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Speaker 5: or even equal to what you pay the guy now.

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Speaker 5: They said, we simply want an opportunity. When I ran

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Speaker 5: for governor, I did a commercial that set a chance,

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Speaker 5: titled a Chance, And all I was asking for is

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Speaker 5: all of you, with pre determined notions about who I

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Speaker 5: am and what I can do, how I perform, and

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Speaker 5: so on and so forth, just suspend with it for

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Speaker 5: a moment to look at me the same way you

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Speaker 5: might look out. I don't know your son when it

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Speaker 5: comes to you and asks you, I just want a chance.

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Speaker 5: If given a chance, I will dot dot. These guys

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Speaker 5: are saying, I just want a chance.

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Speaker 3: All right, everybody, So we told you that this was

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Speaker 3: home and you will always have a seat at the table.

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Speaker 3: So it is your favorite part of the pod where

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Speaker 3: we hear the questions from you all. And today's question

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Speaker 3: first question is Angela.

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Speaker 7: And in the breakfast club, you said you hope there would

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Speaker 7: be a push from the administration to meet people where

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Speaker 7: they're at. But I don't see how they will listen

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Speaker 7: without leverage. And I don't see how we have leverage

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Speaker 7: if they know that black people are just gonna vote

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Speaker 7: for them anyway. So how can we work with other

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Speaker 7: people who, whether we think think it's good or bad,

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Speaker 7: might actually threaten to not vote, or what other ways

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Speaker 7: can we pushed to actually get leverage.

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Speaker 3: So I think that the most important thing here is

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Speaker 3: something that we hear often tiff and Andrew. It is

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Speaker 3: about what do we do with the folks who say

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Speaker 3: they're not going to vote they feel like their leverage

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Speaker 3: is in not voting, and what other things can we

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Speaker 3: do to ensure that we have leverage. Well, I'm proud

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Speaker 3: to say that Tiffany and I and some of our

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Speaker 3: dear sisters utilize I think what is part of our

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Speaker 3: leverage in the last election. In the twenty twenty election,

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Speaker 3: after Joe Biden Rant one South Carolina, we said, you

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Speaker 3: know what, black folks made sure that he got to

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Speaker 3: the finish line, and we said that there were three

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Speaker 3: things that we wanted from Joe Biden. The first was

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Speaker 3: a black woman vice president, the second was a black

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Speaker 3: woman Supreme Court justice, and the third was a black agenda.

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Speaker 3: We know that we're still lacking on the black agenda part,

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Speaker 3: but this is the perfect moment for me to shout

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Speaker 3: out our dear sister Alicia Garza, who does some tremendous

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Speaker 3: work the Black Census Project. She has talked to over

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Speaker 3: two hundred thousand black people. It is the largest survey

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Speaker 3: of black people in the country, and that census, that

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Speaker 3: survey will serve as a basis for what and how

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Speaker 3: we construct a black agenda. I think our leverage is

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Speaker 3: in pushing our agenda. What do we require of any

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Speaker 3: elected official that serves us on the local, state, or

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Speaker 3: federal level. Our leverage is not in saying, if you

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Speaker 3: don't play with us, we're gonna take our ball and

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Speaker 3: go home. Our leverage is in saying we're always going

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Speaker 3: to show up and even when you don't want to

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Speaker 3: see us. We're gonna be sitting right at your door,

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Speaker 3: or we're gonna be calling you, or we're gonna be

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Speaker 3: emailing your staff to find out where you are on xyz.

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Speaker 3: And here's this black agenda for the local level, here's

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Speaker 3: this black agenda for the state level. Here's this black

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Speaker 3: agenda for the federal level. We want to see our

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Speaker 3: agenda happen, and we are going to push you to

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Speaker 3: do what we want to do. Why Because, as the

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Speaker 3: CBC always says, there are no permanent friends, no permanent enemies,

894
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Speaker 3: just permanent interests. And our permanent interest is in seeing

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Speaker 3: our true and ultimate liberation in this country, and everybody

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Speaker 3: else should follow suit.

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Speaker 1: All right, the next question, Andrew, I would love to

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Speaker 1: get your thoughts on it. Take a listen and Andrew,

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Speaker 1: you can respond on the other side.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Native land Pod, I'd love to hear your thoughts

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Speaker 2: on why many of our elected officials, both in the

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Speaker 2: House and in the Senate, and even in state and

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Speaker 2: local government for that matter, that are of advanced age

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Speaker 2: and almost choosing to die in office.

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Speaker 5: Oh man, Well, first of all, I'm not going to

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Speaker 5: be the one to sour on older politicians in office.

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Speaker 5: I think what matters to me most in that consideration

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Speaker 5: is what have they done for us lately? What have

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Speaker 5: they done for me lately? Are they still producing so

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Speaker 5: on and so forth, Because in that case, maybe what

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Speaker 5: you need to do is go intern or go apply

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Speaker 5: for a job and then help influence around that process.

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Speaker 5: But my real answer you, aside from you know, respect

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Speaker 5: for those who are older but are doing their job,

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Speaker 5: is that not many of us are choosing the run

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Speaker 5: against them. Not many of us are choosing to say

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Speaker 5: we are ill served. And if you don't show up

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Speaker 5: and show out on the job that we put you on,

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Speaker 5: then I am going to take you out. People don't

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Speaker 5: people don't fear things and people and interventions that don't

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Speaker 5: impact on their lives. If you can't make a difference

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Speaker 5: for me, then then why are you here? And that

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Speaker 5: is the that's the that's the rude sounding aspect of politics.

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Speaker 5: But these decisions get made every single day, every single day.

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Speaker 5: Why do they legislate against us when we're such and

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Speaker 5: such other population Because they don't fear that we're gonna

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Speaker 5: do anything about it. And I don't mean extracting your

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Speaker 5: vote from the democratic part I mean, have we shown

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Speaker 5: up at their offices? Lady? Did we go to their

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Speaker 5: town hall and pack that thing out? Did we show

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Speaker 5: that we can produce people who then will hold them accountable?

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Speaker 5: And unfortunately, if you just say, oh, I'm not going

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Speaker 5: to vote in next election, we don't know who to credit,

934
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Speaker 5: we don't know who to reward, we don't know who

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Speaker 5: to induce. So show that you can produce something and

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Speaker 5: that you are forced to be reckoned with and therefore power.

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Speaker 5: What does it say? Oh, this was Fanny lou Hamer.

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Speaker 5: Our seeds nothing without a demand. Power yields nothing. And

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Speaker 5: all I would add to without a demand is in

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Speaker 5: a way to enforce it.

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Speaker 1: I just I want to just real quick just say

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Speaker 1: to the caller's point about older people dying in office,

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Speaker 1: I do think there is something to be said that

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Speaker 1: it is our responsibility to bring up the folks behind us.

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Speaker 1: And so I know a lot of people hold on

946
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Speaker 1: to their positions, but it's hard, right, you know, but

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Speaker 1: there are younger people in place, and I think to

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Speaker 1: Andrew's point, like get in the position, get out there

949
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Speaker 1: and run, you know, like there are very few limitations

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Speaker 1: if you want to run for office. Get out there

951
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Speaker 1: and knock on doors. It's not just I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: go out and be thirty five and let you know

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Speaker 1: your first jobs in government to be president of the

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Speaker 1: United States like it was with Donald Trump. I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: there are school board elections, there are city council, there's aldermen,

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Speaker 1: there's all kinds of things that if you want to

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Speaker 1: see changing your community, you can do, and to put

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Speaker 1: yourself in a position to run for federal office one

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Speaker 1: day if that's what you want to do.

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Speaker 5: But I do think we have fairness to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: His first job was our president. He ran many businesses

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Speaker 5: into the ground prior into.

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Speaker 1: This first job in government was president of the United States.

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Speaker 5: That I'm talking.

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Speaker 1: About his business at his first jobs job in the

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Speaker 1: government America, seventy five million Americans say yes, we will

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Speaker 1: let you be president of the United States when you

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Speaker 1: and the.

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Speaker 5: City council are we blame for that?

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Speaker 4: If seventy five million Americans?

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Speaker 3: So anyway, Yeah, As a former executive director of the

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Speaker 3: Congressional Black Caucus, this comes up a lot, especially with

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Speaker 3: our elders, and I think one of the things we

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Speaker 3: don't just have a responsibility to bring up young folks.

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Speaker 3: We have a responsibility to ensure that older folks can

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Speaker 3: retire and step aside with dignity, and we don't always

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Speaker 3: do that. I will never forget when Congressman Major Owens

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Speaker 3: left office and retired, he went to be a Library

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Speaker 3: of Congress. Fellow. That's not what happens with white folks

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Speaker 3: when they retire from Congress. So we need to figure

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Speaker 3: out what else we can do. I think it is

982
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Speaker 3: so shortsighted when some folks, again to your points, have

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Speaker 3: who have no experience, want to challenge in primary and

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Speaker 3: elected officials. Also, who's actually doing the work for us.

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Speaker 3: I'm not talking about the people that are just sitting

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Speaker 3: there as benchwarmers. I'm talking about the folks who are

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Speaker 3: really doing the work. So I just wanted to bring

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Speaker 3: up that one distinction. Shout out to my CBC.

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Speaker 4: Fans and listen.

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Speaker 1: I want the viewers to note, we don't just answer

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Speaker 1: questions that are nice and polite. If you disagree with us,

992
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Speaker 1: if you have criticism, we want to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: So dm us drop us a note, follow us on socials,

994
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Speaker 1: drop your question and we would love to hear it.

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Speaker 1: I want to play something we did hear from one viewer,

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Speaker 1: an enthusiastic viewer who did like the show and had

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Speaker 1: some criticism as well. So some advice, some advice, some advice,

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Speaker 1: So please everybody take listen to Mama Rai, also known

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Speaker 1: as Angela's mom, who listened to our podcast and had

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Speaker 1: some thoughts and.

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Speaker 3: Son to say, Mama Riah in the building, Mommy, what's

1002
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Speaker 3: the one thing you liked about Native Lampard?

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Speaker 10: It was very well organized, and you guys are articulate

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Speaker 10: and good thinkers.

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Speaker 3: What is one thing you would change? Can I tell

1006
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Speaker 3: you this lady's normally deliver it and takes her time.

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Speaker 3: She didn't even think about that, mind you. Shout out

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Speaker 3: to my pastor, God Dad. It was a bishop in

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Speaker 3: the Kojik church who had words I know about them.

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Speaker 3: God Dad, and my father who thinks he is the

1011
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Speaker 3: father of me and Tiff and Andrew, Andrew's mama. We

1012
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Speaker 3: got dragged, so y'all we had well in our forties,

1013
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Speaker 3: well in our forties in trouble in time out, So

1014
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Speaker 3: we gonna limit the cussing on here. But sometimes law

1015
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Speaker 3: your mother in law too. I forgot Jesus, So we

1016
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Speaker 3: we're gonna work on it. We are still saved worn again.

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Speaker 3: We're not backsliding out here. But sometimes you know, there's

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Speaker 3: a word that you can't find, and four little word helps.

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Speaker 3: But we'll do our best.

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Speaker 1: And you need something to punctuate your point, and they

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Speaker 1: have four letters to them, so brace yourself. Sometimes you might.

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Speaker 1: My two co hosts can probably be a little more

1023
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Speaker 1: clean than I can. But sometimes you might hear from

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Speaker 1: this center right here to say something to punctuate a point.

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Speaker 4: But the Lord going to.

1026
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Speaker 5: Tell you who taught me the cuss words.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, Daddy, Daddy.

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Speaker 1: The Lord is still working on me. Also bear with me,

1029
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Speaker 1: all of us. All right, thank you so much for

1030
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Speaker 1: your questions. We again, we want more. What do you

1031
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Speaker 1: want to know? Send us your videos dm us on instag,

1032
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Speaker 1: Facebook and Twitter. But right now we're going to hear

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Speaker 1: from our sponsors. But don't go away, because right after

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Speaker 1: this break, I will be telling my story on what

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Speaker 1: happened with me at MSNBC. All right, what happened with

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Speaker 1: me at MSNBC. Before I get into this story, I

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Speaker 1: want to just say first that I am good. All

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Speaker 1: of us are good, All of my co hosts, we

1039
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Speaker 1: are all good. This is not some sort of Revenge Tour.

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Speaker 1: We are looking forward, not backward. But it's important that

1041
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Speaker 1: we take the time to address these things because one,

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Speaker 1: we want to be truthful. Some of you all know us,

1043
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Speaker 1: some of you don't, so you're getting to know us.

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Speaker 1: We want to be honest with our listeners, and we

1045
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Speaker 1: really want to answer question.

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Speaker 4: And that was the main question I got.

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Speaker 1: I still get when I'm walking through airports and people

1048
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Speaker 1: stop me, they always ask what happened with you at MSNBC.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's important that you all know how

1050
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: we got here and why this platform is so important

1051
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Speaker 1: to all of us for different reasons. So I will

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Speaker 1: start with MSNBC to say how I got to the network.

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Speaker 1: So I used to appear on MSNBC all the time,

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Speaker 1: and I was never paid. There are paid contributors and

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Speaker 1: there are people who go on for free. Ellie Misstaal

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Speaker 1: is one of the most brilliant voices. He's on that

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Speaker 1: network frequently. He has never been paid for his brilliant

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Speaker 4: So keep in mind when.

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Speaker 1: Y'all see on social media comments and people say, well

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Speaker 1: they getting paid millions to get up there, and say whatever. No,

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Speaker 1: very few people are paid contributors, and when it comes

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Speaker 1: to people who look like us, even fewer people. So

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Speaker 1: people were being paid to lie. I was spitting all

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Speaker 1: my truth for free. But that's another testimony. So Enjoy

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Speaker 1: made history by going Joy read who hosts The Readout,

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Speaker 1: When she made history by going to prime time, first

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Speaker 1: black woman in cable news to host a primetime show.

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Speaker 1: I was guest hosting for her, and this was really

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Speaker 1: part of the audition process to see who would be

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Speaker 1: taking over for Joy. This was also at the time

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Speaker 1: that I had a book coming out, my first book

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Speaker 1: that I wrote, Say It Louder was hitting bookshelves and

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Speaker 1: so on my pub date, I was invited to appear

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Speaker 1: on Mourning Joe So Joe Scarborough. I'm sure y'all have

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Speaker 1: watched Joe Scarborough before the segment. Right before I was

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Speaker 1: coming on, Joe Scarborough started saying that he wanted the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party to get their acts together. He didn't want

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Speaker 1: his country run by some of the leftists who were

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Speaker 1: running countries like Portland, and he called out some other

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Speaker 1: municipalities that this was right after the height of Black

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Speaker 1: Lives Matter, and so he said we got to get

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Speaker 1: it together, and the Republican Party is failing. Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: turned the party racist. So when I was introduced, I

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Speaker 1: obviously had a lot to say about that. There's an

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Speaker 1: unspoken rule that you're not supposed to disagree with Joe.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't get that memo. Even if I had,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much attention I would pay to it.

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Speaker 1: And so when it came time for me to speak,

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Speaker 1: I went through very specific policies, talked about Ronald Reagan,

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Speaker 1: talked about George Bush, and made the point that even

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Speaker 1: though they may have been more articulate, their policies were

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Speaker 1: just as damaging to black folks, and that this was

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Speaker 1: truly the only GOP that I knew, And I think

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Speaker 1: this incensed Joe. My segment was done, Joe disagreed with me.

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Speaker 1: We went back on forth. I got off air. We

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Speaker 1: were trending every single time I did Morning Joe. We

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Speaker 1: were trending. And when I say we, I don't mean

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Speaker 1: Joe Scarborough was trending. I mean Tiffany Cross was trending

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Speaker 1: on Mourning Joe. Well after I got off the air,

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Speaker 1: he continued to talk about it. He was very upset.

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Speaker 1: Apparently and so when he left set, he was beside himself.

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Speaker 1: That's what was described to me. I was told from

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Speaker 1: several reputable sources, including a talent agent, two anchors, and

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Speaker 1: another executive at the network, that he left set and

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Speaker 1: went into the president's office, the president of the network,

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Speaker 1: to complain about my segment, complain that I disagreed with him,

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Speaker 1: said that I called him racist and suggested that I

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Speaker 1: should not be joy read successor to get the show.

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Speaker 9: Wow.

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Speaker 1: So the president at the time was another white man,

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Speaker 1: but his boss was a man by the name of

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Speaker 1: Caesar Conde, and I got to show. Caesar Conde hired me.

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Speaker 1: He was also a historic hire, a Latino man overseeing

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Speaker 1: the entire news division of NBC Universals that was the

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Speaker 1: Today Show everything. So I got the show after this

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Speaker 1: big battle. But little did I know the battles were

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Speaker 1: just beginning, my friends, because let me tell you, on

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Speaker 1: my show, I was very mission driven, and Angela has

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Speaker 1: heard me talk about this, Andrew's heard me talk about this.

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Speaker 1: I take the Fred Hampton philosophy of being inclusive in

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Speaker 1: our battles, so I was very intentional. Obviously, I'm showing

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Speaker 1: up for black folks talking about black folks. I'm a

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Speaker 1: black woman, that's my first priority. But I wanted to

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Speaker 1: be sure to include stories that were relevant to our

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Speaker 1: fellow countrymen, like the Asian American Pacific Islander community, like

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Speaker 1: the Latino community, like indigenous How often do you see

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Speaker 1: Native Americans on platforms telling their stories, testifying, talking about

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Speaker 1: what's happening with them. I want you all to know,

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Speaker 1: every single week, from the start of my show to

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Speaker 1: the very last show I did, it was a battle.

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Speaker 1: Every single week. It was a battle to cover things

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Speaker 1: that I wanted to talk about. The network's philosophy was

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Speaker 1: Trump Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump Trump. They wanted me to

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Speaker 1: be part of the echo chamber, and I fought as

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Speaker 1: hard as I could. I wanted to cover things like

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Speaker 1: in humane treatment and prisons. That's something that disproportionately impacts

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Speaker 1: my community, mental health among black men, the erasure of

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Speaker 1: Afro Latinos in the Latino community, land battles of the

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Speaker 1: Indigenous Native Americans trying to get their family artifacts back

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Speaker 1: from museums right here in America, black farmers reaching Latino voters,

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Speaker 1: things like that. When I would fight these battles, I

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Speaker 1: know y'all know exactly what I mean I was spoken

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Speaker 1: to in the most condescending ways. I mean anything from

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Speaker 1: being told the definition of news. Me with my twenty

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Speaker 1: plus year career in news and broadcasts and television, I

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Speaker 1: would have somebody sit across from me and explain to

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Speaker 1: me how news worked.

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Speaker 4: I had my intelligence questioned.

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Speaker 1: The central theme to them again, Trump, Capitol Hill, Minutia,

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Speaker 1: and they wanted me to use the same recycled faces

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Speaker 1: you see all the time. So I've really found the

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Speaker 1: constant criticism debilitating at times, but mostly confusing. And let

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Speaker 1: me tell you why, Because viewers seemed to love it.

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Speaker 1: According to NBC's own research department, the Cross Connection, my

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01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: show was averaging four point six million viewers a month.

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Speaker 1: We had the most black viewers, second only the Revern

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Speaker 1: NOWL Sharpton Show. We were routinely the highest rated show

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Speaker 1: of the entire weekend. So I was scratching my head, like,

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Speaker 1: what's y'all so mad about?

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Speaker 9: It?

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Speaker 1: Seems to me like there are some other shows that

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Speaker 1: warrant your attention, not this one. We actually routinely beat

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Speaker 1: Morning Joe in the ratings. This is something a lot

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Speaker 1: of people don't know. People think millions of people watch

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Speaker 1: more than Joe. This is public information. You can go

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Speaker 1: on and watch maybe a few hundred thousand, maybe six

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand, seven hundred thousand. Clearly we were getting more

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Speaker 1: than that. So I'm getting more ratings than your favorite

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Speaker 1: white boy, but I'm getting criticized every turn. Joe was

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Speaker 1: allowed to say what he wanted to say, as were

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Speaker 1: other white men on the network. He came up with

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Speaker 1: the phrase Moscow Mitch, I use that phrase too.

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Speaker 3: Good one.

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Speaker 1: Joe my other colleague who I rock with, and you

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Speaker 1: know we have no beef. But Ari Melburgh gets to

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Speaker 1: quote rap lyrics. I had my script scrutinized. They didn't

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Speaker 1: want me saying anything that sounded like an insult. When

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Speaker 1: I would make a reference to something that was very

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Speaker 1: specific to the black community, it was always a question,

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Speaker 1: is this enough that people would understand most of your

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Speaker 1: viewers are white, etc.

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Speaker 4: Etc.

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Speaker 1: It was exhausting, and I know a lot of my

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Speaker 1: folks out there go through that every day, so I

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Speaker 1: just want y'all to know I went through it too.

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Speaker 1: But I held the line as best I could. And

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Speaker 1: this is an important point that I want to make

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Speaker 1: for me in behalf of my co host There is

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Speaker 1: a burden to speak in the truth. It comes with

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Speaker 1: a consequence, and when you find yourself as the messenger,

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Speaker 1: there is a power structure in place that is not

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Speaker 1: welcoming to our voices. And I was prepared for these

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Speaker 1: battles because I had been fighting them my entire career,

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Speaker 1: from my time as a producer and associate producer at

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Speaker 1: CNN to a field producer at America's Most Wanted, to

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Speaker 1: a field producer at Discovery to an executive producer at Viacom.

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Speaker 1: I fought many battles at this point because I had

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Speaker 1: shifted from being behind the camera to on camera. In

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Speaker 1: fighting these battles, I can't lie. I made some enemies.

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Speaker 1: I held the line I didn't acquiesce, because for me,

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Speaker 1: what was the point in having this platform If I'm

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Speaker 1: going to show up and spit out some vanilla granola

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Speaker 1: boringness and hope that one day maybe the white man

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Speaker 1: would let me host his Today Show. I've just never

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Speaker 1: seen that happen. I have never seen anybody be rewarded

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Speaker 1: for acquiescing to the comfort of white folks, not in

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Speaker 1: a way where I could live with myself. I would

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Speaker 1: go through what I went through ten thousand more times

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Speaker 1: for sake and my own integrity and character, my viewers

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Speaker 1: and my community were always the top of mind. I

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Speaker 1: never positioned my self to center to comfort the colonizers.

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Speaker 1: So leadership change at the network and a new president

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Speaker 1: came in and listen, we need to celebrate and normalize

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Speaker 1: the leadership of black women. So we can never make

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Speaker 1: this about one individual. The problem is systemic. So if

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Speaker 1: a black person is at the HELM, but they consider

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Speaker 1: part of their job to keep free black folks in

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Speaker 1: a state of submission, or to prove to their superiors

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Speaker 1: that they can keep black and brown folks in check,

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Speaker 1: that's really not anything to celebrate. An overseer might be

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Speaker 1: of the community, but they are certainly not in it.

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Speaker 1: And so I was fighting battles internally with leadership, and

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Speaker 1: then I was fighting battles externally. I would routinely sound

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Speaker 1: off on issues that centered white supremacy, a disease that

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Speaker 1: y'all know still sickens the country. And often these essays

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Speaker 1: I did would go viral and we would garner over

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Speaker 1: a million views across all social media channels. Well, it

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Speaker 1: didn't take long for the right wing media zealots and

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Speaker 1: extremists to begin attacking me. Everybody from Megan Kelly to

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Speaker 1: Bill O'Reilly routinely with accusations and racist white fear. But

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Speaker 1: one night's Tucker Carlson dedicated the top of his show

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Speaker 1: to me. I want you all to take a listen.

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Speaker 11: Now, you probably knew about Joy Reid, the race lady

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Speaker 11: who's been fixated on race hate for years now. But

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Speaker 11: MSNBC has a new host, someone called Tiffany Cross.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Tucker goes on to play several clips from

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Speaker 1: my show, and pretty much anytime I said the word

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Speaker 1: white people, he messed them together and was basically accusing

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Speaker 1: me of trying to start a race war by comparing

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Speaker 1: my commentary to what happened in Rwanda Kajohn O'll Tucker

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Speaker 1: care so much about black lives? And then live on air,

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Speaker 1: he began to direct his comments to the executive.

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Speaker 11: So you have to ask yourself, what does Comcast board

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Speaker 11: think of?

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Speaker 9: This?

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Speaker 11: Comcast board is mostly white people. White people who, according

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Speaker 11: to the channel they own, decided they wanted something, then

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Speaker 11: they annexed it. White people who still, because they're white,

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Speaker 11: white people who could quote turn to violence where they

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Speaker 11: don't get their way white people are going crazy endangering

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Speaker 11: their communities. So you have to ask yourself, why are

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Speaker 11: they putting this on the air, Why are they allowing this.

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Speaker 11: This is not a policy debate. These are open attacks

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Speaker 11: on people, on Americans.

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Speaker 1: So after this, the network did not issue a statement

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Speaker 1: the way they had for some of my white colleagues

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Speaker 1: who had also been targeted by MAGA extremists. Instead, network

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Speaker 1: executives spoke to me and instructed me that I could

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Speaker 1: not respond to Tucker Carlson at all. Then they began

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Speaker 1: to scrutinize my show, every little thing I wrote, every

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Speaker 1: little thing I said before the show, after the show,

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Speaker 1: after the show. It was always, here's all the things

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Speaker 1: that you said, here's all the things.

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Speaker 4: That you did wrong.

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Speaker 1: The ratings didn't lie, but according to them, people must

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Speaker 1: just be tuning in to criticize me, because that's all

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Speaker 1: they had was criticism. Never thanks for doing a good job,

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Speaker 1: never thanks for bringing so many new viewers to the network.

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Speaker 1: They assigned more oversight, more executives, which meant more battles

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Speaker 1: for me to discuss topics that were relevant to an

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Speaker 1: emerging audience that I was bringing to the network, much

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Speaker 1: like Le brought an emerging audience to the CNN. So

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Speaker 1: then I did a rant on Supreme Court Justice Clarence

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Speaker 1: Thomas and his insurrectionist supporter of a wife, and it

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Speaker 1: was definitely very snarky, but it was factual. And the

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Speaker 1: network leadership, nervous about the attention that I was attracting

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Speaker 1: to the network from the right wing, began openly siding

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Speaker 1: with conservative viewpoints. And I was invited on a late

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Speaker 1: night comedy show hosted by Charlemagne where we were asked

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Speaker 1: to pick one of four states that we get rid of.

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Speaker 1: And know this to my friend and my brother, Andrew Gillham,

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Speaker 1: but this is what I said. Florida literally looks like

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Speaker 1: the dick of the country. So let's get rid of Florida.

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Speaker 5: Ron is the country there.

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Speaker 4: Let's cast rate Florida.

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Speaker 1: Here's the problem, Ron, the stupid, Ronda Santis, whatever you

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Speaker 1: want to call Florida man. He is so problematic. The

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Speaker 1: people there passed Amendment for which gave returning citizens those

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Speaker 1: formerly incarcerated the rights to vote.

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Speaker 4: He instituted a poll tax.

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Speaker 1: He has done everything he can to keep black and

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Speaker 1: brown people from the ballot. He traffics in stupidity and ignorance,

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Speaker 1: and I just think they are a problem for the

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Speaker 1: rest of the country.

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Speaker 4: Let's get them.

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Speaker 3: Out of there.

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Speaker 1: So after that show, this was four days before midterms,

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Speaker 1: and one day before my show was going to air,

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Speaker 1: we had booked an exclusive sit down with Stacy Abrams, who,

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Speaker 1: as you all know, was in the fight for her

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Speaker 1: life running for governor at that time. That morning, I

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Speaker 1: got a call from the president of the network saying

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Speaker 1: they would not be renewing my contract, which was up

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Speaker 1: in a month, and that my viewers would not even

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Speaker 1: be given the courtesy or respect of me being able

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Speaker 1: to sign off or have a final show. I think

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Speaker 1: it's important that you all know when that happens, it

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01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: suggests to other people in the industry that this person

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Speaker 1: is so unhirable that we could not trust her with

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Speaker 1: a live mike. So it was all very intentional. The

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Speaker 1: firing was abrupt, and it was also very intentional to

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Speaker 1: my audience, to my viewers that you are not the

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Speaker 1: type of viewers who the company cares about. I was

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Speaker 1: devastated when my show was canceled. I was so sad,

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Speaker 1: not just for myself professionally and all that I had

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Speaker 1: fought for, for more than two decades, but for the viewers,

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Speaker 1: for the audience, because I did not have confidence that

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Speaker 1: there would then be another place where indigenous topics, API

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Speaker 1: Latino and a fam topics that we covered was going

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Speaker 1: to be And this is where I have to testify.

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Speaker 1: And I've always cried when I talk about this, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to cry to day because I feel

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Speaker 1: so good. I was surrounded by machetes. When I say machetes,

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Speaker 1: I mean my sister friends are our girl group. It's

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Speaker 1: a group of us were all in media, and Angela

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01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,839
Speaker 1: Rye at that point took on the role of mama,

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Speaker 1: chief of staff security. Everything you literally could not get

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Speaker 1: to me without going through her, because I had reporters

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01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: calling the audience was an uproar that we were trending

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01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: for weeks even though my show wasn't on air, and

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01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: I felt so comforted at that time. The shock of

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01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: what happened didn't even hit me until weeks later because

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Speaker 1: I was surrounded in sisterhood. You guys saw joy Read

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01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: closed her show after my show was canceled, giving me

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01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: a shout out. Sunny Hassen was given interview saying, you

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01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: know what a big deal this was and that the

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01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: media went backwards with the canceling of my show. I

1339
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: was just truly surrounded, and so find you some friends

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01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: who ride for you like that.

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Speaker 4: There was a fierce.

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Speaker 1: Backlash from the audience, and I was never given an

1343
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: official reason for why they canceled my show, but it

1344
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: was pretty obvious that I had drawn the ire of

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01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 1: white conservatives, which even made some white liberals uncomfortable.

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Speaker 4: So I had to go.

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Speaker 1: Never mind that millions of people found my voice to

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01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: reflect the ears. They weren't the viewers who MSNBC seemed

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Speaker 1: to care about.

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Speaker 4: But I gotta say.

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Speaker 1: What happened next truly surprised me, despite me not saying

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01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 1: anything at the time other than to issue a very

1353
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: politely worded and gracious statement mostly for my viewers, a

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01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: statement in which did not attack the network at all

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01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: or say anything bad about them. The network began attacking me.

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01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: They planted hit pieces in the press. The president of

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01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: the network began a bizarre, unhinged tour where she was

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01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: on damage control. I don't know what she was trying

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01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:09,480
Speaker 1: to do, but it was filled with outright lies, including

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Speaker 1: showing up on the set of the view. You guys

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01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: can Googles and read the story to talk to. Everybody

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01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 1: knows Sunny Hasten is a close personal friend of mine.

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Speaker 1: This network executive went to the view tried to talk

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Speaker 1: to Whoopy Goldberg and Sunny Houston. This has been coroborated

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Speaker 1: by countless people and written about. It's very strange for

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Speaker 1: the president of a competing network to show up at

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Speaker 1: another network and talk directly to their talent.

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Speaker 4: That just doesn't happen. So it was bizarre.

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Speaker 1: It was humiliating at the time, to be quite honest,

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Speaker 1: But thank god, I was surrounded in sisterhood.

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 1: I fought as much as I could. But I was

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01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: not trying to go back to the network, but I

1374
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: fought to say, hey, what happened here was not okay.

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Speaker 1: I want you all to know I am good. I

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01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: am mission driven. My life's mission has always been through

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01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: work and live in service to the equality and liberation

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Speaker 1: of black folks, and I think when that happens, everyone

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Speaker 1: benefits from that. When black folks are free, we all

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Speaker 1: get free. We are very communal people, and that's why

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01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 1: people benefit from our work. If I'm mission driven, it

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01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: does not matter where I'm doing that mission.

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Speaker 4: The work continues.

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01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: If my mission was to be famous, if my mission

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01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: was to be a celebrity, if my mission was to

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Speaker 1: host a cable news show, well then my mission dies.

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Speaker 1: That ain't never been my mission, will never be my mission,

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01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 1: and so when your mission driven, just keep that in mind.

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Speaker 1: Here we are, the work continues. I am thrilled to

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01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: be in community with my fellow co host here. I

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01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,640
Speaker 1: think it is so important that you hear our voices

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01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 1: and that you see that we continue to live, survive,

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01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: and thrive because the message this was intended to send

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01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: was don't get too free and don't get too gold.

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01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: Then don't get too audacious in your blackness. And if

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Speaker 1: they can somehow send me out there as a warning

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01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: signal and say, look what we did to her, this

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01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:13,759
Speaker 1: might happen to you, then it might shiver somebody into

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01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: not speaking the truth. And I want to testify that

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Speaker 1: I am here still speaking the truth, and my story

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01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: did not end at MSNBC. MSNBC was certainly the top

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Speaker 1: of one mountain in my career, but it was the

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01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: bottom of a next and we are here to keep climbing.

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01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 1: I want to thank you all the viewers for riding

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01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 1: with me during that time. I cannot tell you a

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01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: specific reason the show was canceled because I was never

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01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: given one but to be in community and still get

1408
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 1: to be in service only happens because you are ride

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01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: with me so hard, and I just want y'all to

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01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: know I will always, always, always ride with you. And

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01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: I want to say thank you to the Machetes, but

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Speaker 1: most certainly, first and foremost, I have to thank.

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Speaker 4: Angela, who held my hand.

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Speaker 1: We were in Atlanta together, we were still speaking together,

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01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,480
Speaker 1: we were out doing you know, voter drive work, eating, strategizing,

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01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: and so when you have friends who ride with you

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01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: in the thick of it, it really just softens the

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01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 1: blow and it inspires me to be that person for

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01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 1: someone else, because angel is always that person in our

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01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 1: friend group. So thank you, my sister Angela. Thank you

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01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: my brother Andrew, because you you were dealing with your

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01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: own life and posted about me on social media, which

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01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 1: I know you hate. So I want to thank you

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01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: both for standing in solidarity with me and know that

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01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,560
Speaker 1: the community will always have us to stand in solidarity

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01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 1: with them.

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Speaker 3: You know, Tiff is the nicer one of the two

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01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 3: of us, and I want to just say that three

1429
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 3: of us, most times. I want to just say that

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01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 3: it is so disappointing how this was handled. I do

1431
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 3: want to shout out joy read Joyanne Reader der sister

1432
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 3: who puts it all all on the line all the

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01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 3: time for what is righteous, and she did the same

1434
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 3: thing with you because because it was the right thing

1435
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 3: to do. And shame on you. To the other black

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01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 3: hosts on that network who said nothing, I see you,

1437
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 3: I see you. I also want you to know that

1438
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 3: we know that you called people of influence to try

1439
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 3: to slander Tiff and to damage her character and it

1440
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 3: did not work. I'm gonna say one more thing that

1441
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,480
Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna get in trouble for Anne Walker Marshawn.

1442
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 3: I don't know why you decided to launch a pr

1443
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 3: campaign against something you know nothing about, but shame on you.

1444
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 3: Shame on every black person in position of power at

1445
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 3: that network and other places who did not say anything

1446
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 3: and do anything. You know exactly who you are, and

1447
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 3: I will not give you the dignity that you do

1448
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 3: not deserve to say your name on this here number

1449
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 3: one podcast. You can download it though, And guess I'm

1450
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 3: not bitter, but I'm gonna tell them the truth.

1451
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 4: We're naming names.

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01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna name all the names, but there was

1453
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: a very senior Obama administration official who got involved. And

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01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 1: what I noticed or learned from Antelo's people are loyal

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01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: to power. People are loyal to those who they think

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01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 1: can do something for them. So when you have the option,

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01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 1: when you have the choice to do what's righteous or

1458
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 1: to do what serves you, do what serves the community,

1459
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,640
Speaker 1: or do what serves the greater good, or serve yourself.

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01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: A lot of people they were jocking. And let me

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01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:23,600
Speaker 1: just say that some of these black women, including the

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Speaker 1: one who was at the home of the network at

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01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 1: the time, came to black folks in crisis where we

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01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 1: have been with you always. We didn't come to you

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01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: in crisis. We came with our hands extended to say,

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01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: what can we do for you? Not what you can

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01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: do for us? How can you cover us in our

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01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: time at crisis? So that was disappointing to see we.

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01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 3: Didn't have to come because we've always been See there's

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01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 3: a distinction. We don't have to come at all. We've

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01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 3: been here. We can welcome you home because we at

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01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 3: home the rest of y'all. You can come on back.

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01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 3: We're gonna let you come back. But let me just

1474
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 3: say this last point that Andrew, I want you to

1475
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 3: weigh in. You can be high and mighty. I'm still

1476
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 3: gonna go low, low, low to the flow. Tiffany deserves

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01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 3: an apology, right and this is an opportunity for the

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01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 3: network to get it right. She deserves an apology for

1479
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 3: the disrespect. There were articles that came out about her

1480
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 3: mismanaging resources for the show. It's a lie from the

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01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 3: fiery pits of hell. We're not doing that right. And

1482
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 3: so she deserves an apology. And so I encourage you all.

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01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 3: It's twenty twenty four. We'll give you a clean slate,

1484
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,759
Speaker 3: but you need to apologize you're out of pocket. Go ahead, Andrew,

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01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 3: say something that sound like church, because I'm sound like

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01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 3: something else. I sound like reality TV right now.

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Speaker 5: First of all, a man a man, A man a man,

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01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 5: Ditto to all of that. Ifany, you are one of

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01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 5: the hardest working on SMATE professional people. I know this

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01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 5: is my first time hearing the extent of your story,

1491
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 5: but I didn't need to hear it to be with you,

1492
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 5: and just says a reminder to all of us. There

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01:16:54,960 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 5: were other African tribes who co created with white slave

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01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 5: traders to sell other blacks into slavery. And I say

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01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 5: that to they were few and far between. Let that

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01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 5: be known they were. The minority are very very small.

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01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 5: Let's call them the one percent. There's no wonder why

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01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 5: that one percent mentality still exists, and and and and

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01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 5: and unfortunately still thrives in the highest of places, so

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01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 5: much so that they divorced themselves from the culture and

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01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 5: from who they are, to side with a group of

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01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 5: people who one know they're not part of the original clan,

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01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 5: They're just they they've adopted it. Cardagie Woodson says, uh,

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01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:49,719
Speaker 5: you know, if you send the miseducation of the Negro

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01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 5: requires that if you send a man to the to

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01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 5: the back door, and he he he, he goes to

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01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 5: the back door, and he goes without challenge because he

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01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 5: knows his place. And if he gets there and there

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01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 5: is no door, he will carve one out for its

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01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 5: special purpose. His education makes it necessary. And this again

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Speaker 5: is part of the vestiges of enslavement and discrimination rooted

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01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 5: in the founding of this country and has played out

1513
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 5: over all those many, many many years. Is that some

1514
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 5: of us have adopted the master's tools and use those

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01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 5: same tools to dismantle us. They using to dismantle us,

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01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 5: because the master tools, as we are told, will never

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01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 5: be used to dismantle the Master's house. Never, those tools

1518
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 5: were adopted by them to use on us. And that's

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01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 5: how we can you know, and it is what it is.

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01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 5: But I know one thing. The devil is a lie,

1521
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 5: a lie. His intention is to create chaos, divide, destroy,

1522
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 5: devour and then cause you to believe what he says

1523
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 5: about you instead of what he says about you. And

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01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 5: I just love the fact that you didn't embrace any

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01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 5: of it. You knew who you were, you knew who's

1526
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 5: you were. And through all of our experiences, who has

1527
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 5: the shouting, who gets the victory? I'm all bet on

1528
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 5: the two of you every day of the week, every

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01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 5: day of.

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01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 4: The week, right back at you.

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01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: And I have a question for you, Andrew, because one

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01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: thing that happened after all this happened, so even members

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01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: of the Congressional Black Caucus, we're calling like, hey, what

1534
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: happened here?

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01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 4: We don't like it.

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01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 1: They were calling Comcast and reaching out. I had introduced

1537
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: a project to the network, the Culture Is. It was

1538
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: something that Joy read and I hosted. It was supposed

1539
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: to be a special it aired. We won our time

1540
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 1: spot that night. We trend it on Twitter that night

1541
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 1: and it was for black women, and then there was

1542
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: iterations after that we were intentional about. We said, hey,

1543
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: we think the Asian Americans should have one, the Latino

1544
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 1: women should have one, Indigenous women should have one. So

1545
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 1: this was a project Joy and I brought to the network.

1546
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 1: When members of Congress were calling to complain, the heads

1547
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: of the network were saying, no, no, no, no, we

1548
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 1: still value diversity because we have this great new project

1549
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 1: called the Culture Is. They were using my project that

1550
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:15,759
Speaker 1: I brought to them to cover themselves.

1551
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 4: But Andrew to.

1552
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 1: Justify it, I mean, you got to have a strong

1553
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 1: mental state, you know, to say, you know what, I

1554
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: expect this. And Andrew, you gave me such words of

1555
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 1: wisdom that I try to adopt every day. I'm having

1556
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:32,759
Speaker 1: trouble adopting it because I do have expectations. But Andrew,

1557
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 1: you said to me, Tiffany, you are expecting a hyena

1558
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: to act like a lion when the hyena only knows

1559
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: how to be a hyena.

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01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 5: That's it. So you can't blame them. We get mad

1561
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 5: at them but they're only doing what they know how

1562
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 5: to do, and what a shame.

1563
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:52,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, they need to learn how to do something else.

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01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 5: Well, all I'm just saying is that is a release

1565
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 5: for us. We held them at a regard. They don't

1566
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 5: know what it means to perform at that level. They

1567
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 5: were faking it the whole time, and we're just being

1568
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 5: turned on to the trick. We're just learning that they

1569
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 5: were flogging that they weren't ever in this thing quite

1570
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 5: the same way they were takers. You were the provider

1571
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 5: and you're the lion. You and the Pride caught the meal.

1572
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 5: They were just eating on it.

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01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 9: That's it.

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01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, And all I have to say and that we

1575
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 5: have to know this to free ourselves from it. Now,

1576
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 5: to your point, Angela, we wanted I'm calling you higher.

1577
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 5: I need you. If you're in my circle, you're my friend.

1578
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 5: I expect when the battle comes, you're going to show

1579
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 5: up as part of the Pride. I have that expectation.

1580
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 5: But the problem is is that it took crisis for

1581
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,640
Speaker 5: all of us for God to show us that the

1582
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:53,719
Speaker 5: hyena was a hyena and we didn't have the power

1583
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 5: to remove them from our lives before. So he did it.

1584
01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 5: He extricated them for us. So I ain't no love loss.

1585
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 5: I see you, Hey, we're moving. You're not in the Pride.

1586
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 5: Why because you're not a lion?

1587
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I want to do one more thing

1588
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,839
Speaker 3: because I shouted out some people that should be ashamed

1589
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:12,680
Speaker 3: of themselves. I want to shout out some folks that

1590
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 3: I want to send some love to because they showed

1591
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 3: up for you too, Joe Tika and that dog gone

1592
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 3: win with black women and all of the women who

1593
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 3: signed to that letter. Joe taka Edie Right, I'm saying

1594
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 3: it like she's everybody's sister. She's our sister who we love.

1595
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 3: Check her name. She's standing on them credentials ten toes down.

1596
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 3: I'm Joe Tika. But Joe showed up for US civil

1597
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,600
Speaker 3: rights leaders who signed onto the letter supporting Tiff, the

1598
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,799
Speaker 3: folks who asked questions and stuck by the questions they asked.

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01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 3: I am grateful for y'all, and I see y'all too.

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01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 3: The rest of y'all, I still say, be ashamed, but

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01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 3: I did want to say shout out to the people

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01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 3: that showed up.

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01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 1: Thank you Angela for that, and thank you to the

1604
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 1: Machetes as well on everybody who supported, because I felt

1605
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 1: your love support, even people I didn't meet who were

1606
01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 1: just like, I'm praying for you. I'm mad about it.

1607
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 1: Who just stuck with me and was able to see

1608
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 1: immediately through like oh wow, this network, this big network

1609
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:06,879
Speaker 1: trying to take this little black woman out.

1610
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 3: And she is little. She got she talked Ben that

1611
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 3: she is really little. I don't know if y'all know,

1612
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 3: tiffanin't but five to two on a good day. Yeah, maybe,

1613
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 3: but my attitude six's one.

1614
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 5: That's what you're supposed to be. You fun size, but

1615
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 5: don't cross me.

1616
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 3: Not fun sized.

1617
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 4: Okay, it's that time for call to action. Who's gonna

1618
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 4: go first?

1619
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 3: I go first because mine isn't really a call to action.

1620
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 3: But I want y'all to look at this. So this week,

1621
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 3: my whole year was made because the best basketball team

1622
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 3: ever in college basketball. To me, they were everything in

1623
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 3: the nineties for me, My childhood got together. There was

1624
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 3: a reunion after thirty two years. It was the Fab

1625
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 3: five University of Michigan boys basketball team, men's basketball, black shoes,

1626
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 3: black socks a day. Shout out to Jalen Rose, shout

1627
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 3: out to Chris Weber, Ray Jackson, Jimmy King, and Juwan Howard,

1628
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 3: who of course is also coaching University of Michigan's men's

1629
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 3: basketball right now. I so love y'all, and I want

1630
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 3: you to know that if y'all can get back together again,

1631
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 3: so can the rest of Black America. I will keep

1632
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 3: hope alive, as Reverend Jesse Lewis Jackson Senior says.

1633
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: And since angelin shouting out Jalen, I'm gonna just shout

1634
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: out Jalen too, who was also very supportive when I

1635
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: was going through what I was going through, posting being

1636
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 1: physically there. So we love you, Jalen Rose. Shout out

1637
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 1: to you and all the rest of the Fab five crew,

1638
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 1: who I actually learned about later in life despite being

1639
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 1: a world renowned sports expert. All right, Andrew, what's your

1640
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: call to action?

1641
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 5: Hang on in there. The reason we have to be

1642
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 5: different on this platform is because so many people out

1643
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 5: there are looking and living by other folks's highlight reels,

1644
01:24:55,560 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 5: and they're never exposed to those valleys traveling about those

1645
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 5: people who they admire and respect and want to be

1646
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 5: just like. But the truth is we all got valleys.

1647
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 5: Those days you just want to pull the covers up

1648
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 5: over your head and not get up again. But see

1649
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 5: it through. See it through some of them, you know,

1650
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 5: some of these setbacks to fan Angela. God has to

1651
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,640
Speaker 5: make them loud and big. You got to make them

1652
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 5: loud and big so that our examples can then be

1653
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 5: of service to other people that you can go through,

1654
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 5: come out and stand in the reality and the truth.

1655
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 5: That's sure later will be better than your former. And

1656
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:45,600
Speaker 5: I just think I think we're going to exhibit it.

1657
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 5: Our praise is going to exist through the peak's end

1658
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 5: of valleys, and I'm just asking y'all to keep us

1659
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 5: at a peak by arriving with five of your friends, downloading, subscribing,

1660
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 5: and giving a review to Native Land. We need you.

1661
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, y'all become the Fab five. Show up with five.

1662
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 3: They have set the example. Also, resist the urge, resist

1663
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 3: the urge to assassinate character just because you disagree with us, right,

1664
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 3: or we don't like when we disagree, We're not tearing

1665
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 3: each other down. There is a way to disagree and

1666
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 3: not be disagreeable. Right. We are at a critical time

1667
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,639
Speaker 3: in this country. I would ask you all to think

1668
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 3: long and hard about having difficult conversations and leaning into

1669
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,719
Speaker 3: those and let us figure out a way to get

1670
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:39,640
Speaker 3: to agreement on the end goal, which I think we

1671
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 3: mostly do. We might disagree on the means, but I

1672
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 3: think we mostly do. We disagree all the time, y'all,

1673
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 3: all the time, and yet here we are together. Yeah.

1674
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:50,600
Speaker 4: I'll pick up on that.

1675
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 1: And my call to action is to be mission driven. Uh,

1676
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 1: don't get caught up in things that are fleeting, but

1677
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 1: decide what your mission is, the mission that serves you

1678
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,640
Speaker 1: and the greater good, and focus on that mission. If

1679
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: your mission driven, it makes everything else seem a lot smaller.

1680
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 4: So that's our call to action for the week.

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01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 5: Welcome home, all.

1682
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,799
Speaker 1: Right, Before we end the show, I want to remind everyone, please,

1683
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:19,599
Speaker 1: please please, We'll keep saying this. Leave us a review

1684
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 1: and subscribe to Native Land Pod. We're available on all

1685
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 1: platforms and YouTube. New episodes drop every Thursday. You can

1686
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: also follow us on social media. We are Angela Rye,

1687
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 1: Tiffany Cross, and Andrew Gillim. Welcome home, y'all. There are

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01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,480
Speaker 1: two hundred and ninety one days.

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01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 4: Until election day.

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01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,840
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01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:45,400
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