WEBVTT - Legacy Panel - Safeties 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:11.719 All right, guys, Doug, you can sit over here. Safeties. Man, 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:19.560 we've had some good ones, good ones, some great ones, 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.880 impactful guys, and then we're not even including on this 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:26.560 panel obviously some some other great ones that we'll get 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:30.160 into throughout the day. But I would I would guess 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:32.559 that you would agree, everybody, and you can let me 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.520 hear it if it's true. Uh, this is a group 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:45.920 of some vicious hitters, vicious competitors, and some of the 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:50.000 most feared of the game. You guys collectively knew how 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:54.200 to and do with Eddie Jackson here, you know how 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:56.480 to to take the starch out of an offense a 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:00.200 little bit. When you say Gary Fencing. Absolutely, you know, 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:04.000 I'm sure that all of us will say that really 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:07.720 good safeties are the product of a really good defensive line. 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.520 You know, you got a good defensive line, and it 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.080 allows you to do things that you can't do great hits. 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.440 Of course, Edie can't do those anymore because he'd be 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:18.440 fined out of the league. I mean, you know, Doug 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:21.399 and I'd be down ten to seven, knowing that our 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:23.320 offense probably wasn't going to score, and it would be 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.399 in the fourth quarter and we'd say time to have 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.399 fun and time to be fun it means nailing people. 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.120 Mike Brown, you made a lot of huge plays, and 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:38.360 I think a lot of my favorite plays were you 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:42.320 coming on the blitz. You were nasty on the blitz 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:45.039 and you would get to the quarterback with a perfect 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.480 form tackle. And one of my favorites of all times 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.800 you're hitting on Brett Farve. There was a film. We're 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:55.680 gonna show it to you, But I always walk by 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:57.800 a lovely Smith's office and do the Coaches Show every 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:01.280 Monday night, and there's this a picture of Mike Brown's 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:04.560 hit on Brett Farve, and we could pull that up 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:14.079 on the screen. That'd be great. Now, Mike be perfect 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.000 form tackle ahead in the chest, just to the side 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:21.120 of his chest, grimacing face balls out. But the part 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:25.480 we don't see, Brett Farve is jacked up off the ground. 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.320 His feet are dangling like this because of that guy 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:35.360 right there. You remember that, Yeah, that's you know, that's 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:38.079 one of the heads. I do remember. Um, But I 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:41.919 like what uh what Gary said about sexy play. Um, 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.280 the safeties are only as good as the people up front. 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.880 So's he's talking about defensive line. I would say, what 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.880 helped me was having Brian Urlacker in the middle of 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:57.160 the field and cover two. So I've a lot of 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:02.239 respect and admiration for that because he made me better. 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.280 So I want to give respect to that man too, 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:10.880 Eddie Jackson. The same act can be said for the 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.160 twenty eighteen Bears last year. With that defense in front 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.920 and all the big plays you guys were able to 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:20.800 make back in the secondary. It turned right, it turned 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.240 for the defense. It made you guys. You guys are 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:27.040 already good, but thinks you guys are maturing as a 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.760 unit and the benefactor back there. I always feel you 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:34.760 gotta have a safety of significance to be a contender. 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.400 Would you agree? Um, yeah, I almost definitely agree. And 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:41.600 I have to double back on what these guys said. Man, 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.960 when you have a great front seven in front of you, 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.440 you know, guys like Clia mac A, Team Rokan, Danny, 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.520 the guys that's flying to the ball, and that's true competitors. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.600 That's gonna make you get better and take your game 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.480 toward another level. And right now, man, we just we 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:57.400 just you know, we just reaching the peat. You know, 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.560 we got more things to do, you know, fully bringing 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.640 back the super Bowl this year, you know, back to Chicago. 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:09.960 So Dalcan looks like you're watching this Phil, You're watching 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.400 this screen like you're you're doing some coaching in your mind. 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:18.760 Hey Plank, it looks like you're watching that screen like 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:20.839 you're like, what are you doing? You gotta pay attention. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.239 Look at you're watching that like you're breaking down games. 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.560 I didn't have that many interceptions in my life college, 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:31.080 high school to your high. Um. You know, I love 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:35.480 how football has changed. It's much more entertaining now. It 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:37.720 was entertaining when Gary and I played, but there was 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:41.039 so much more just running and tackling. I mean, who 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.839 isn't energized by watching Eddie grabbed that ball or Mike 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.920 and some of the incredible returns those guys had. Wow. Um, 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.279 you know, you don't realize it sometimes when you're a 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.880 player that a lot of the players that had played 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:57.800 before you are all watching this on television cheering for you. 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:01.200 I mean, we are all fans. It's just like everybody else. 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.840 So I just appreciate Eddie and the job that Mike 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.520 did when he was here. It was amazing. But you know, 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.679 you talk about the Tampa cover two, you talk about 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.680 the forty six defense, the four to three, the thirty 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:16.440 four that you play today, a version of it. It 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.240 seems like those are just numbers now they use because 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.720 the defenses are so different configured. The defenses that you 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.560 guys all played in were they were the right defenses 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:29.880 for your skill sets. Well, you know, we had different coaches, 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:33.239 and I think that you have to fit into the system. 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.880 I don't think that they were doing much to adjust 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.240 to a whole how Doug and I played. But you know, 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.080 if you have a really good front seven, and I 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.000 don't want to get in trouble because I got Otis 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.560 back there and I played Mike Singletary, Willard Marshall, Al 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.200 Harris and great linebackers. But for me, Mike your point 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.120 about I played behind Doug the phone, and Doug really 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.040 taught me how to play. I mean, I didn't even 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.320 need to know the coverage because I could just play 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.839 off of Doug. So I think that you want to 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.560 create a defense that takes the most advantage of the 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.200 skills of your players. But you know, we were a 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:08.960 four to three, you know, consistently through my twelve year career, 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.280 and I think, you know, to me, when I look 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.120 back at you know, we didn't have free agency. When 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:15.839 you look back at that eighty five team or the 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.760 eighty four eighty six and you look at the number 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.800 of first and second round draft choices that were on 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:25.159 that team, I mean, it's amazing. Great credit to the 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:30.400 scouting group for the Bearers. Both offensively, Tom and defensively, 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.719 you had a lot of talent. So Mike, you know, 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:37.039 you talk about the defense you've played in, so you know, 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.960 go back in history the forty six or go advanced 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.839 forward to the new version of the thirty four. Are 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:47.560 your skill sets need to be developed differently, your instincts differently, 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:51.240 or are you set for any defense? I would say 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.799 the converts to that love you and it was the system. 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:02.760 So we practiced the system them. So we because there's 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:04.760 only a certain amount of players that beat cover two, 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.640 so we know the players that teams are gonna run 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:09.600 to try to beat the cover too. So we would 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:13.640 just practice those plays daily, daily, daily, daily, daily, And 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:20.560 it was more about effort than anything. Um intensity, Um yeah, 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:24.760 I think as far as so skill set, I don't 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.920 have skills, man, I don't have the skill set as 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:32.400 most TVs have. I'm not as fast as guys. I'm short. Um, 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:36.200 you know, I'm not as heavy. Um, but I played 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:39.080 with a lot of heart, and I think that's that's 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:44.440 one thing. Um, that's one thing that I know help 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:49.240 my career. And I know that, Um yeah, that we 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.320 had players that would I mean, I want to take 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.239 like Ollen Cruz to me, like he was the leader 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:59.440 of the team. So his intensity and all that carried 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.760 through the team. And then when Levy came, he brought 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:05.720 us a belief in a system. So it doesn't matter 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.840 who was playing, we believed in the system and that's 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.000 what made us play at a high level. I think Eddie, 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:14.120 you basically played for a pro team in college. You 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:17.080 know that system, that that system that you played in, 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.080 that and the supporting cast that you played with. Now 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:24.280 you bring it up to today. Your skill sets is 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.720 it is it built for this era? Could it transferred 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.200 to other eras or is it your skill set that 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:35.360 is allowing you to contribute so quickly? Um? Really, I 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.160 feel like it starts with you know, how much of 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.560 the work you put in. You know, because like he said, 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.520 he felt like he wasn't as fast or wasn't as 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.240 big as a normal safety. And I felt that way 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:47.320 coming out. You know, I was a light safety. You know, 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:49.240 they said a lot of things about me. But when 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.679 you're going and you work hard, man, and you transition 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.480 it too, you know the film, and you take that 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.840 from the film to on the field and you put 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:00.400 everything together with your teammates, and you know, Mike was 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.760 a dog, you know, as simple as that. I'll watched 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:04.960 his highlight take before every game, you know, Coach Ad 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.080 putting that on there for a reason, just to show me, like, 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:09.480 you know, the cred is gonna say it. This is 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:11.560 what you can always prove them wrong. So I feel 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:13.480 like it's just the hard works you put in, that's 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.440 what you're gonna get out. Dog. Kind Of the same 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:18.440 question for you though, But you got something. You're such 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.480 a reputation of hitting everybody, whether it's your own guy 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:24.880 in the back or an offensive rhyman coming to make 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.840 a block down field. How does you know? And you're 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:32.200 still heavily involved in football all around the landscape. Your 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.000 skill sets as a young man, you know, and how 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.600 do they fit into today? Tom? When I was very young, 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.760 my mother used to drop me a lot as a baby, 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:47.080 and I learned to like this feeling of hitting something 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:53.520 very hard. And you know what, when I first got here, 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.920 I don't say Dick Bukas had just left, but he 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:02.319 was still a synonymous with a Chicago Bear, and anybody 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:06.559 watching Dick Bukas play, I wanted to be Dick Bukes 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:11.400 playing free safety. One of the funniest things that just 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.560 h was Mike Brown watching you lower your helmet to hit. 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:20.000 You can't do that. The rules certainly have changed, and 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:24.720 it was last man standing when I played. But you know, 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:26.959 I think of all the things that you were talking 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:30.520 about Tom as far as players and coaches were concerned. 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:35.360 And I've been a coach for ten years in the 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:39.640 Arena League, in college and in the NFL, and I 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.160 still believe. And if there's any coaches out there, I 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.880 put it on your shoulders. These men up here know 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.320 how to play safety, but you know what, you have 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:52.520 to give them the ability to make plays and not 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.959 be tentative when they're going on the going for the ball. 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.760 Too many times in meeting rooms, I've seen coaches shame 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:05.600 players in front of everyone else. And those coaches have 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.360 a big part of the success of the Chicago Bears. 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.560 That's why I'm all for coach Naggie, everybody else he 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.920 has on his staff, because I know they believe, they 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:18.079 believe in these players right now, and they're gonna let 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:22.800 them go out and make plays. Doug, You're recorded at 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:28.280 one time saying before games, I would think nasty thoughts 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.760 about the players that I'd be going against. I was 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:35.480 not a happy person. Did you really have to get 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:37.760 to that place to play like the way you did? 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:40.720 I'd be really interested to talk to you guys, how 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.760 you ever got mentally prepared? But I had to create 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:47.200 these scenarios in my mind that this guy on the 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:50.760 other team just beat my mother, my wife, my father, 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:55.400 And I know it sounds very childish, but we are 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.720 all children. We are playing a game of football and 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:02.559 getting paid for it. It's occupation. Come on, and so 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:06.320 I would create these And it wasn't just on Sunday. 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:10.439 I would do this Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. In practice, 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:14.200 I would I would pretend Brian Baschnagel was had done 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.720 something to me, And so when it came on Sunday, 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:19.880 I didn't even have to think about it. I would 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:23.160 just step on the field and this feeling would come 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:29.480 across me, like somebody's going down a blocker, a running back. 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:33.800 I don't care, and I know it sounds stupid, but 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.640 you know what I enjoyed. I had so much fun. 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.240 I can tell the mc caskeys I would have played 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:44.520 for nothing, really, and we did almost play for nothing, Gary, 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:50.000 But I just I have so much fun watching the 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.840 Bears last year. It was so fun watching the players 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.840 like Eddie and also the fans get a chance to 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.679 enjoy the game. Hey, hey, Jeff, I think that probably 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.440 plains why sometimes as you were going into the pile 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.520 you would hear this and recognize the voice and it 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:08.559 was actually one of our players. They'd be in a 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:12.240 huddle going, hey, Doug, keep your eyes open, your mind. 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:14.880 The Doug make you get into your mind about the 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:16.880 way that you mentally prepared for the game. I don't 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:18.800 think I prepared that way. I know I didn't I 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:22.000 but but you know, certainly Doug taught me how to play. 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.600 And you know, I was from a tough school, Yale, 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:28.400 and coming in and you know, to be able to 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:32.679 play with Doug Plank and a leader by example was 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.040 just fun. It was just a lot of fun. And 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:36.960 you know, I was talking about Doug the phone, and 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.360 you know, all the people that you're with. You want 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.559 to really feel as though you're on a team that 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:45.840 you trust and that there's a lot of transparency, especially 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:49.640 on the film room on Monday morning. But yeah, I 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.160 love playing with Doug and we had a lot of 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:56.680 fun together. Did you have to learn to hit like 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:01.720 you did? Nope. My our defensive back coach my first 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:03.760 year of playing, which second year, I said, you know, 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.520 I'm concerned about the way you're leading with your head 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:08.920 and I said, hey, I need some coaching. He goes, 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.520 that's really not my style. I don't really teach technique. 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.240 You just got to learn. So I learned from Doug 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.640 and from some other people. But you know, there's a 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.040 you know, it's interesting that in the NFL, and I'd 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:21.040 love to hear you guys thoughts because we couldn't come 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:24.680 out as early as you could when you guys played. 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:28.640 But you know, I wonder if there shouldn't be more 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.800 concentration on developing skills as you get into the pros 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.240 because it's you know, it's not like you stopped learning 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.400 the moment you come into the NFL. I see in 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.600 the early highlights you're not wearing a neck roll, and 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:42.480 then the later years. And also, I see you with 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:44.880 the neck roll. Is that out of necessity? Yeah? It was, 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:46.680 and I saw. You know, I get a lot of 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:50.040 grief about that, but I was getting And we had 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:53.120 I had two players. One of them is here Jerry Muckinstern, 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.800 who lost their deltoid as a result of whiplash. And 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.760 so they said, look, I lost feeling in my shoulder. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.720 He said, if you don't wear something, you might also 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.920 have that same problem. And you know those horse callers 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:07.760 are just too big to be able to really get 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.840 up and go for an interception. And Matt Suey, I 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.280 was wearing this thin little padding with some surgical tubing, 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:16.040 and I said, yeah, I'm going to give that a shot, 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.720 and I wore it the rest of my career. Did 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:22.080 you guys embrace so Eddie and Mike you know they 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.240 were called the hitman, these two. Did you embrace it? 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:27.760 Did you run with it? Did you like it? Did 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:31.560 you care about that moniker that was placed on you guys? 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:37.520 For me, either one of you, wait, Doug or Gary. 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.240 I you know, I have so many other problems with 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.280 the Super Bowl shuffle. And you know I can't sing, 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:48.600 I can't dance, I'll take the hitman anytime. Well that's 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.320 your interception leader in the Bear's history, by the way. 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:57.600 With thirty eight, well he was a former college wide receiver. 0:15:57.760 --> 0:15:59.240 That was the one thing he came in here. He 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:02.440 couldn't tack, but he could catch. And you are a 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.320 heck of a running back at a time in high school, 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:09.880 right school, Yeah, you were a killer. You were a beast. 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.640 You were a wide receiver. You were a beast. And 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.800 do what you play in high school? You know, I 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:20.640 played quarterback on offense. I loved offense and on defense. 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.080 I guess I just started learning to run ten yards 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:28.080 into people. And uh, you know, I told Gary. You know, 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:32.240 Gary's background in college is more offense too with regarding 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:37.040 being a receiver. And Eddie just I really admire. People 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.680 don't realize how difficult it is to locate the ball 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.600 when you're a safety because many times you're not in 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:44.360 the middle of the field. You may be on one 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.520 side or the other. And every quarterback is different also 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:52.040 as far as the trajectory of their pass. So you know, 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.400 plus you have the receiver to try to account for. 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.840 So I always wanted to say one thing in my life, 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.080 I was never going to go for an interception and 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.240 miss it, and how the guy catch it and go 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.600 for a touchdown if he was coming into my zone 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.800 or area the receiver was going down, I'll worry about 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.480 the ball later on. I don't care. But that's the 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:15.919 way it was. Ed Eddie and Brownie is at the 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:19.280 philosophy of today. I mean, you know, because both of 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:23.080 you guys have some great reactionary interceptions, and it's almost 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:26.000 the knowledge of the defense that allows you to anticipate that. 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:30.640 What is the coach thinking of today in those terms 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:35.119 when it passes in your area and you see the receiver, Well, 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.320 I wouldn't know about today, I would I would say 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.840 the ball. I think that's that's a great point. That's 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:47.639 always I think missed is that safety's eyes are always transferring, 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:51.320 so where your eyes are always moving from places like 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.760 keys and stuff. So once you realize, like we used to, 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:57.600 in the right spot or the receivers is run the route, 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.520 then your eyes transfer so the all is coming. So 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.240 sometimes it's on you before you can see it. That's 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.440 why I like this dude right here, like he's it's 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.639 special skill that he has, Like I don't have that skill, 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.440 So I was more like Doug. I was like, I'm 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.280 not gonna miss the interception and have someone go for 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.800 a touchdown. I'm just gonna hit this dude. So my 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:25.439 philosophy was more at the fourth quarter mark, the receiver 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.800 is gonna be tired of me hitting him, and that's 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:29.720 when you will see bass tipped up in the air. 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.640 You will see them not finishing the routes, and that's 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:36.439 when the big players would happen. In my situation, Weddy 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.320 Jackson of five touchdowns in just thirty games, he was 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:44.840 in where I started calling your quick six, quick six Jackson, 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.000 and we saw some of your highlights. But in two 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:57.159 thousand and one, a young Mike Brown had quite the 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:02.480 back to back week. We all remember it, right, here's 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.600 one of them right here, Terrell Owens to Mike Brown 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:11.640 to the house. First time that's happened. It's not happened 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.800 since back to back weeks. Then the Cleveland Browns and 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:18.200 San Francisco forty nine ers back to back pick sixes. 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:20.879 In no way to is that define your career, but 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:25.399 it's certainly one of your highlights, Big Mike. Those are memorable. Yeah, 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:33.159 Those those obviously are players that are gonna are my partment, 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:35.960 my career. I guess you could say those are two 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:40.560 players that um are always brought up. Um, those are 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:45.200 two players that I remember vividly. Um. Yeah, it was 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.959 just it was a special time. I was a young player. 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:51.920 I was in my second year. UM, so like it 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:55.119 gave me more confidence. I mean just that year was 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:57.359 a special two thousand and one was a real special year. 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:01.520 Thirteen and three. Um, those types of things, like this 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:04.680 game is hard, and winning winning these football games it's hard. 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:07.520 So once you started getting ten wins thirteen, I mean 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:13.320 that's hard to do. So it's so my fault. My 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:15.639 problem is like I just don't want to be remembered 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:18.679 for those two players. I want I want people to 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:23.040 I want to be remembered as someone who played for 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:31.120 the people. So so you're talking about like preparation, my preparation, 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:35.120 like to get mentally prepared. I was always joyful. It 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.840 was like the game to me was it was party time. 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:42.840 It's like all the work and practice and all that, 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:45.440 that's when I was like, that's the work. But when 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.280 it's time to go out there on Sunday, that's when 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:50.440 all the fun happened. So what Eddie is talking about. 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:52.119 I think what he's talking about it is like you 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:55.480 put in all this work through the week and then 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.240 Sunday it's like it's time to let loose. All right, 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:00.879 Greg Miller, he's your guy back there. Run of these tapes. 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.639 Here's how Mike Brown got ready for games with his 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:11.480 guys coming out of the locker room every week. I 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:23.800 hope you gotta cute up. Take a listen. We we 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:34.560 on the play the one, then make play the one. 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:45.600 The man passion. We the one that makes the plays. 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:48.680 Where'd that come? How'd you come up with that? Why 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:51.760 did you start saying that? I don't know what was 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:55.280 the um? You know they call us the specialty positions 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:58.000 for a reason, where the usually the ones that get 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:01.000 the glory of the play. The play make is the 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:03.160 game is won in the trenches. I think we all 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:05.560 understand that. That's how we talk about the front seven. 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:08.440 We know that football is a game with the offensive 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.320 line and defensive line. Whoever wins that battle usually is 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:13.760 gonna win the game. Now you gotta see all the 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:17.240 plays being made, But so that that was the thing. 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:20.199 It's just letting the playmakers know that we are the 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:22.080 ones that got to make them, So when there's the 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:25.119 opportunity to make them, we have to make them because 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:27.359 the people that are doing the dirty work need us 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:29.919 to make those plays. So we use the ones that 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:32.840 make the plays. You know, he talked about making plays, 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:36.440 and I know that this is a safety panel, but 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.680 in the last panel, Charles Tillman was up here with 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:43.840 us as defensive backs. Because you guys have all seen 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:47.879 you work with cornerbacks. You've seen receiver routes. Do you 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:51.080 find it amazing the plays that he was able to 0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:55.080 make on his instincts and his craft? Start with you, Gary, Well, 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:58.919 I mean he was a great cornerback, and yes, he 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:01.600 didn't have blazing speed. And I think most of the 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:04.200 times when you think about the difference maybe between a 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:07.240 cornerback and the safety is they've got speed and they 0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:12.639 have unbelievable swivel hips unso smooth. When you see a 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:15.399 really good cornerback just backpedaling, you try to do it 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:19.000 on your own and you go, wow, it looks so effortless, 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:22.240 and but it's really really important. But with Charles Tillman, 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:26.399 my gosh, that Tomah, you know, stealing the ball and 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:28.920 the whole NFL started doing it. You know, I think 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:31.680