WEBVTT - How Body Dysmorphic Disorder Works 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.840 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.560 It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:16.360 from house Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:21.120 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Chuck Bryant. Hi, Chuck. Hi, 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:23.560 how's it going. I just thought to try and throw 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:25.640 you off, But that can't happen. Dude, you were pro 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:28.320 Thanks Chuck. I appreciate that. Imagine if I took off 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:30.280 my shirt and that way might be unsettling enough to 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:33.479 throw you. Nope, you want to try new Come on, 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:37.280 this will actually work really well with the topic at hand. 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:41.280 I never want Jerry to see my naked chest? Do you, Jerry? 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.400 Do you want to see his naked chest? She should 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:46.000 not want to. She's saying, Hey, let's see what you got, Chuck. 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.000 It's not gonna happen, all right. What do you want 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:53.240 me to take my shirt off for this? Oh? Good gosh? No, okay, Chuck. 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:56.040 It's no secret to you that I grew up a 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:59.160 little fat kid. I want to see pictures, by the way, 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:02.760 I'd love to see that. I'll bring some in. Yeah, 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.720 I was a little fat kid. I was the Pillsbury 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:09.080 dough Boy was my nickname. I was chunky than thin, 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.080 and they called me the doughboy too. They push the 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:13.920 belly button and all that. Yeah, and I would do 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:19.720 the little you know, Wow, we're alike. It's so funny. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:22.800 It was kind of traumatizing. And um, I've always wondered 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:27.600 I had heard of body dysmorphic disorder before, and I 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.160 don't think I have it to a clinical degree, but 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.240 it occurs to me that, like, what I'm seeing when 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.680 I look in the mirror is not necessarily what everybody 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:36.880 else is seeing. I wasn't going to bring it up, 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.080 but since you did. When I read this article, I thought, Wow, 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:43.920 that sounds an awful lot like Josh in certain cases. Really, 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.440 are you sure you didn't read how narcissism works? Well, 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.559 that was a different article. You're like, yeah, this one's 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:52.920 definitely Josh. I think they kind of are similar in 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.320 some ways. Actually they seem to be, yeah, because they're 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.880 they're both um centered around a focus on oneself at 0:01:59.880 --> 0:02:02.560 the expense of, you know, paying attention to your surroundings 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:06.840 or other people. Yeah, that was awkward. You got it 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:11.040 out there first. I appreciate that. Of course, Body dysmorphic 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.280 disorder b d D is the little abbreviation that I'm 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:16.960 probably gonna is because dysmorphic isn't doesn't roll off the tongue. 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:21.120 It's also called dysmorphophobia. Yeah, that's no, that's no better. No, 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.360 we'll called b d D. Okay, well, then let's stick 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:28.239 with b d D. O. It's pretty you don't have 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.799 a speech impediment as well as body dysmorphic disorder. I know. 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.720 Basically what we're talking about, folks out there in podcast 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:39.920 land is that if you're completely preoccupied with flaws on 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:43.920 your body, and not just one flaw, but you know several. Yeah, 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:48.760 your nose, which, strangely, I don't have any kind of 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:50.400 b d D around my nose. And I was kind 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:52.239 of like, I have a big nose. You don't have 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.160 a big nose at all. Look at this thing, dude, No, 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.240 it's not big. I have giant nostrils too. Well, that's 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:02.120 a different story. So it also chuck b d D 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:07.000 UM also frequently as a oh, what's the word. It's 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:13.000 a comorbidity with other mental I guess disorders like obsessive 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:19.320 compulsive disorder uh an arexia UM and uh, clinical depression, 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.840 which is why it's misdagnosed. Sometimes it's or they think 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:26.800 it's probably underdiagnosed. I think they about one percent of 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.720 the population UH is believed to have b d D. 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.480 But yeah, they think that that's probably much higher. For 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.800 a number of reasons. Number one, somebody might not want 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.640 to talk about their flaws or their therapists. Yeah, and 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.960 you don't want to come across as some vain, superficial jerk. 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.160 And uh, but you know, we both go to shrinks. 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:47.800 Let's just go ahead and toss that out there. I 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.160 can't believe you said that. That's a lot of disclosure, Chuck. 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:52.800 I think I think healthy people go to shrinks. As 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:54.920 my shrink always says, I'll worry about the people who 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.400 don't go to shrinks. Yeah, those are the ones that 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.680 dress up in black and shoot up schools, right of 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.240 cour She says that, as I'm writing the check. So yeah, right, 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.120 just keep coming back, chump. So yeah, people are afraid 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.720 to say that to uh, their their psychiatrists or psychologists. 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.800 They're ashamed of the flaw so much that they don't 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.360 want to discuss it at all. Not just being ashamed 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.680 of being vain, they're so ashamed of their pot bilio 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:18.400 or whatever. Or they may be a lot more likely 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.960 to go to say a cosmetic surgeon over you know, 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.720 a psychoanalyst of some sort, which I'll go ahead and 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.599 ruin this one too. They don't The results of cosmetic 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.120 surgery usually don't work when you have b d D. No, 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:33.920 this was scary. You'll get the surgery and you'll still 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.400 be really you're worried that it's going to come back, 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.479 or your obsession will will transfer over to another part 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:42.800 of your body, right, or you get really angry at 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.799 the surgeon and say that they didn't fix it right right, Yeah, 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.320 which is that's it's a scary profession for a number 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.800 of reasons. So John Rivers, I think might be high 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.440 on the list you think. Have you seen her lately? 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.039 I feel bad for people who are who don't who 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.560 get tons of cosmetic surge. I mean, think about like that, 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:03.400 the the depth of their self loathing that that they 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:07.200 continuously go there junkies for it. Yeah. I don't know. 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:08.720 It's hard for me to drum up a lot of 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:12.119 compassion there, but I guess you're right. That's a good point, thanks, Chuck. 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.920 Not I feel somewhat shamed or you should feel shamed, 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.120 and not just about your body. Right, But the point 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:21.120 is John Rivers looks like a c trout? So is 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.320 that even really that's just what? Yeah, she looks like 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:28.920 a speckled trout. So bad to b d D. Yeah, 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:32.000 we we hit upon something. I said that the obsession 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:36.040 will transfer. B d D is a compulsive disorder. The 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:40.840 symptoms of it are repetitive and irresistible. Basically, what are 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.559 some of the symptoms for people out there who are thinking, huh, 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.960 I used to be a fat kid? Well, h this 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.640 is pretty obvious. But constantly checking your appearance in the 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:54.839 mirror or avoiding mirrors in reflective surfaces entirely true and 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:58.240 go either into the spectrum. Yeah that makes sense. Um, 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:04.040 Constantly comparing your appearance to others check uh, picking at 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:08.400 or otherwise attempting to fix an imagined flaw like excessive grooming. 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:15.600 Yeah check, yeah, I guess, measuring, touching or checking the defect, 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:20.560 changing your clothes a lot, refusing to be photographed, constantly 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:25.640 asking for reassurance about your appearance check, check and check. Camouflaging, 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.320 masking or disguising the flaw. Um, I do wear a 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.320 lot of makeup. Like if you have a big belly, 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.039 like we're in this big Hawaiian shirts and you know, 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:36.839 you're just a fun fact guy there. Yeah, that is 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:38.920 a signal to everybody else that you're a fact guy. 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:43.159 If you wear Hawaiian shirts all the time, happily, everybody 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.520 also just thinks that you're ready to party in the 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.000 life of the party. I see, I have a bit 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.640 of a belly, as it were, And this is a 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.240 known fact. But I found that when I wear a 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.840 tighter shirt and not tight but you know, a fitting, 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.960 fitting shirt, people say, hey, dude, you look like you've 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.560 lost weight. But if I wear the movement, oh no, yeah, 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.040 it definitely actually makes you look bigger when you reached 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:09.360 when you reach a certain point of um, I guess 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.640 weight loss or something, especially if you go from chunky 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.640 year right, well, you've you've pretty spelt now. But but 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.360 when I definitely hit a point where I realized, like 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:21.640 I look fatter in extra large shirts than in large shirts. Yeah, exactly. 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:25.680 It's a it's a good realization, it is. Uh. That's 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.080 that's all the big ones. Anxiety and fear when you're 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:31.840 around other people. Obviously excessive dieting and exercising that thing, 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.600 suicidal thoughts. Yeah, that's the really downside, I guess, when 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.880 you're at your worst. And actually there's a lot of 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.440 people who I think something like on the order of 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.160 eight percent of people who have been diagnosed with b 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:47.240 d d UM have reported that they've considered suicide, and 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:51.320 about um have actually tried it. I don't know how 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.560 many successfully, but yeah, yeah, that's really sad. It is 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.400 sad because you know, I mean, you're at the point 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.280 where you just hate yourself so much. You know, you're like, 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.680 I'm just gonna try this over again, right, And as 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.560 with most disorders, that's the darkest end of the spectrum. 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.720 And there is a big range from mild to really severe. 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.800 I'll tell you the dark end of the spectrum, my friend. 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:13.680 Are you ready for this one? People with b d 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:20.240 D sometimes self performed surgery. Yeah. Can you imagine mutilating 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.440 yourself now to just try to get rid of this flaw, 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:27.160 because you know, a love handle isn't is much worse 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.640 than a gaping wound where like this missing missing hunkle 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.400 flesh used to be. Yeah, I think alcohol might be involved, 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.440 you know, I could see someone just getting completely ripped 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.319 and you're like I gotta get rid of you to 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:44.000 get out of the kitchen knife and gone. That was 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.640 really that was chilling, And actually we're making a lot 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.240 of that that that does happen and people do reach 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.640 those steps, so that that's an awful thing to make 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:54.719 fun of, sure, which you just did. I was just 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.400 trying to reenact what it might be like, Yeah, well, Chuck, 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.400 thank you for that. It's actually what happened to me 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.520 last Friday. And is it when you carve off just 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:04.640 a little bit of a love handle and then I 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:06.880 was like, oh, I thought you looked like you'd lost 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.239 some weight. Yeah, just a hand of a love handles 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:13.760 very painful. So let's talk about what b d D is. 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.120 You know, we're not entirely certain how a person gets 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.280 this or you know, we know how it, uh it 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.439 manifests itself, but we're not entirely certain what's going on. 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:24.720 Because if you think about it, it's kind of bizarre 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:29.080 that you don't see yourself the way other people do 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.720 when you know you're looking at your reflection in a mirror. Right. 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:34.080 I think a lot of people have that to a 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.400 certain degree, because I mean, how many people when they 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.440 see a photo of themselves say, God, do I look 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.720 like that? Minds always do I sound like that? Really? 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:46.480 You got a great voice, though, thank you. Uh. They've 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.920 done some research as far as the biological causes. Let's 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:52.040 go ahead and start with the biological said, okay. And 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.800 some researchers showed twenty five people, um half of which 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.400 so I guess twelve and a half people I've noticed 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.600 that had b d D and the they're have did not. 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.360 And they would show them three different images of faces 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:08.640 and different resolutions high, regular and low, large, medium, and small, 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:10.480 all right, And they hooked them up to an m 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.040 r I and they showed that the b d DE 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.720 folks use the left side of their brain, which is 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:19.360 the analytical side, indeed, to process all of the images, 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:23.319 and the other participants use the left hemisphere only for 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:26.160 the high res images. So that means, Josh, is that 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:28.880 or what it could mean is that the minds, the 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:32.319 brains of people with b d D want to acutely 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:36.160 process visual details. Even when there are no visual details, 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.640 they're always looking for. That. That's one explanation. It's reasonable. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.520 Moving on, I've got one better for you. Hit me. 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.720 It's much more likely, in my opinion, that it is 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:50.720 an imbalance in the brain chemistry, specifically with the uptake 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.120 of serotonin. All right, let's hear it, all right, So 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.640 serotonins and neurotransmitter, right, and it's produced in the brain. 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.559 Um actually can be produced anywhere in the body. But 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.600 the stuff that affects your mood and sleep and things 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:04.920 like that, it's actually produced in the brain by trip 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:06.839 to fan. A trip to fan, as you know, is 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.000 from you know, you can find it in Turkey. It's 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.920 an amino acid. Everyone says it makes you go to 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:17.080 sleep supposedly. Actually ironically, tripp to fan works best on 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:19.960 an empty stomach. And when you eat a bunch of 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:23.760 stuff at Thanksgiving cover and I think we did too 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.800 solds of stuff there. Well, basically gorge yourself and right, 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.600 you're actually digesting that's just making you sleepy. But tripp 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.719 to Fan is uh is uncommon in that it's one 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:36.080 of the few amino acids that can cross the blood 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.839 brain barrier. So you eat some trip to fan, it 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.839 gets separated from your turkey and crosses the blood stream 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.959 into the brain, where it's used as an essential ingredient 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:50.040 in serotonin production. Right, in a paddle book. Yeah, what 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:53.320 I understand. Yeah, with the giant frog. And so once 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.920 the trip to fan gets the brain, YadA, YadA, YadA. 0:11:55.960 --> 0:12:00.920 You got serotonin, right? Did you like that explanation? Very scientific? 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.680 Serotonin is trans It's a neurotransmitter. So it goes from 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.720 the pre synaptic neuron, which is the one where it's produced, 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.240 to the post synaptic neuron where it's accepted. But it 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:14.040 loses a little love on the way. It does not 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.880 all of its um taken in by the post synaptic 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.640 neuron um, and it's just kind of floating there in 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:23.959 the synaptic cleft, the space between neurons where these electrochemical 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.480 messages are firing between um and actually that can be good. 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.680 If if it accumulates too much, then that's not too 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:35.280 good because you've got basically a blockage and you have 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.760 enzymes that actually clear out the serotonin. But you if 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:45.679 it lingers a little longer um, the the communication is stronger. Right. 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:51.119 What ss R eyes are serotonin? I'm sorry, Selective serotonin 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:55.839 reuptake inhibitors do? They actually prevent some of the serotonin 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:59.360 from being taken back by the pre synaptic neuron. So 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:03.000 we're talking to pro right these things. Yeah, what they 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:05.760 do is they they allow some of the serotonin to linger, 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:09.480 which makes for a stronger message, which improves mood. Actually, 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.840 it's stabilizes mood. What we're seeking is a stable mood 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.320 rather than ups and downs. That makes sense to me, 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.800 does it really? Holy cow? Well, I mean, not only 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:20.960 did you do a fine job of of laying that 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.480 out there, but I think anytime you're dealing with something 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.760 like this, Sure there's certain other explanations, but the brain, dude, 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.319 that's where it's at. I agree. The brain is the thing. 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.319 So the reason why they think that this is, uh, 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:36.560 this is that b d D is a chemical imbalanced. 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.079 So the result of chemical imbalance is because b d 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:43.200 D patients respond very well to UM selective serotonin reuptake 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:47.360 inhibitors like zoo OFFT and stuff like that paxel uh 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:53.920 so so selects all loss prozac, you know, all those antidepressants, 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:58.480 all that good stuff. Um, cultural factors? Should we talk 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:01.520 about that? Are we done with biology? Those are the 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.320 only two theories that I know, Um, the are going 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.800 on right now? Biologically? Okay, Well, let's move over to 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.440 the to the cultural and physiological side of things. Which 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.319 um this one. You know, of course, the media and 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.839 magazine it does. Media is too lazy to really do 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.880 anything that's actively bad in my opinion. Yeah, that's true. 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.520 I think it's all the results of just an an 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:26.360 ability to do real research. Yeah. True, that's pretty lazy 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.080 to blame it on the media, But we'll do that 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.040 right now. The media, of course, with all the perfect 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.640 bodies and the perfect faces. That certainly doesn't help. I 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.000 don't think it can cause this, but I don't think 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:37.640 it helps the situation. If you were born with like 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:41.080 a mile case of b d D, you uh, seeing 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:44.760 you know, Gizel on the cover of a magazine probably 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.680 make you feel any better about the hairy mole on 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:51.640 your lip. Probably not, although if you see a picture 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:53.840 of Cindy Crawford you probably feel pretty good about the 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.080 Harry mole on your lip. That's a beauty mark, buddy, 0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:01.360 same thing. It all depends on what face it's It's exactly. Yeah. 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:03.840 I always thought that was pretty funny because that on 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:07.200 my face would be a male or worse. Yeah, they're 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.880 talking Sidney Crawford. Not too bad. It would command you 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:16.400 to burn things, is that Simpsons? Yea? Was it? Yeah, 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:20.320 Ralph's lepre Coron commands him to burn things. I thought 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.440 you meant the talking mall part. So uh yeah, those 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:27.080 are the societo cultural theories, and um, this is the 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:30.720 one that they documented as far back as the eighteen hundreds. 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:34.200 So that's so funny. You just referenced another podcast. I know, 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.080 I'm all over the place. Yeah, but which kind of 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:39.840 undermines the idea that it's media sensationalism because it was 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.800 before media. Well, yeah, pretty much. I mean, would you 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.360 have like this the Saturday Evening Post in there, right, 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.000 they showed a little ankle and all of a sudden, 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.480 you know, women are like, my ankles don't look like that, right, 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.880 Norman Rockwell is disturbing millions of people. And I think 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:55.640 also this would be a good point to say that 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.320 this does not just affect women, It affects men as well. 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.680 Oh yeah, sure, but in a very sexist way. Men 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:07.120 have their own version of it, muscular body dysmorphia, right, 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.240 which is the need to be buff and muscular, which 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.000 I clearly could care less about the same here, Oh yeah, 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.360 same here. But it doesn't it's not just related to 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:19.160 the muscles um or the lack of muscle. It's also 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:23.640 related to thinning hair genitalially speaking, it has something to 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.080 do with that. Do you ever see that one kids 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.640 in the hall with Mr cabbage Head, You remember him 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:30.760 where he was trying to pick some woman up and 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:35.720 he was like, it's not a cucumber, it's a gherkin exactly. Yeah, 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:40.920 he probably would have had a muscular body dysmorphia disorder probably, 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:44.680 So sure there also maybe some childhood traumas that could 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:46.960 kick start this whole thing, like being beaten about the 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.400 head and neck. Yeah, and that makes sense and teasing 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.120 like you were talking about. They did a study. They 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:56.680 found seventy percent of the participants reported maltreatment during their 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.280 their childhood. The study of people with b d D. Yeah, 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:01.440 but the study did and say whether they didn't ask 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.800 whether the mal treatment happened before after the onset would 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:09.000 be slightly dodgy statistic. But they also found that said 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.960 the mal treatment was severe. Al right, So that kind 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:13.639 of makes sense at all. I think it could be 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:15.600 a soup of all these things. You may be born 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.320 with a little bit of it. Society chimes in with 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.760 making you feel worse about yourself. You maybe your parents did, 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.160 schoolmates that kind of thing, right, But and I'm saying 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:27.520 this is a former fact. Kid, Eventually you have to 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:29.680 get to a point where you can't let other people 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:33.000 define you, you know what I'm saying. Eventually you have 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.480 to stand on your own two feet and just say, yeah, 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:37.239 I was a fat kid when I was little, and 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.399 yeah I had some jerks poked me in the stomach. 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:43.560 Who cares say it, they're they're all digging ditches right now, 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:45.679 do some therapy and look at you. But he I 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:49.280 just did. I was a late bedwinter. Oh my god, Chuck, 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.919 were you really? Holy cow? All right, let's see if 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:57.320 I can want up you. Um no, do it? No, 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:00.199 you got something worse in late bedwinter, know, and you 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.200 know for those you've got out there, they're late bedwetters. 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.959 It's okay, and it will stop at some point eventually. 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.000 Or you could just stop drinking and still waiting on 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:12.480 that day. So, Chuck, you have any more revelations? Um? Well, 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:18.479 it affects supposedly about one of the general population, which no, sorry, 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:23.040 the the b D D and so. But they think 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:24.680 that might be kind of low because of the lack 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.800 of diag diagnosis and stuff like that. Well, how do 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:29.920 we treat this, Chuck, I would already sayd S SR 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.600 eyes SSR eyes is one. And then you have the 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:36.840 old CBT cognitive behavioral therapy, Yes, which was developed in 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:40.520 the fifties. It's psychotherapy where you uh, it's got different approaches. 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.200 You focus on the concept that your thoughts are the 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.639 root of the behavior and the feelings as opposed to 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:50.680 like outside influences. So sort of tackling from the inside out. Um, 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:52.919 not eating and smoking cigarettes helps a lot too, as 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:58.600 I understand it. Right. So in closing, are we closing? Yeahs. 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.679 In closing, I would say, just from someone who has 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.639 had issues with weight here and there and j and 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:10.240 bed wedding is you know, no one's perfect. It's you're 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:13.160 gonna live a long life full of let's hope, and 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.520 you're gonna have issues with yourself here and there, get 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:18.080 over it and it's not that big of a deal. 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:22.640 Everyone has their flaws and so just except except your own. Yes, 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:26.520 that's my advice. Beautiful Chuck, beautiful beautiful words from a beautiful, 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:30.160 beautiful man inside and out right. Surround yourself with people 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.600 who support you, you know, and and the jerks out 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:35.560 there that are calling your names and stuff. They don't 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:37.639 know what they're talking about, you know. Yeah, we should 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:41.600 probably especially target this to our younger listeners to It 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.560 ends eventually, but it ends when you allow it to. 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:46.720 And you know what, I guarantee you and I can 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:48.800 say this is an older guy. Those same jerks who 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.800 are teasing you and poking and prodding you, like Josh said, 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:55.000 they're probably losers and they will go on and their 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.200 true colors will come out later, agreed, and they will 0:19:57.359 --> 0:19:59.840 be losers for life. All right. So that's body this 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:03.240 morphic disorder if you uh. Actually, this is a fine 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:05.639 fine article written by Jessica Toothman. I thought it was 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.880 excellent tooth the tooth Um and Uh. In it, she 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:14.240 says that if you think or suspect you might have 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:17.280 body dysmorphic disorder, you should go to seek help from 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:21.919 a therapist, absolutely, even if it just seems mild, because 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:24.840 oftentimes it's a lot worse than you think it is. Yeah, 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:26.280 and you don't want to get out of hand. Yeah. 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.960 So yeah, that's bodied of dysmorphic disorders I just said, 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:34.439 which means that it is time for listener mail. Maybe 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:40.320 why not, Josh, I'm gonna call this corrections and suggestion, 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.119 because there's one suggestion in two corrections. I'm gonna go 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:47.119 to these kind of quick. This comes from Julie. She 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:52.440 says a geologic nitpick from the CCS podcast, the pronunciation 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:56.600 of I believe we said but salt, I said belt, 0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:01.080 you said basalt, and she says it's actually pronounced assault 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:06.560 with the influence on or the emphasis on salt with salt. Right. 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:11.200 That comes from Julie. Our friendly neighborhood pedantic geologists is 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:13.600 how she builds herself. So thanks for that, Julie. Thanks. 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.879 This comes from Peter and this is about Tesla and uh, 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:24.040 the band or the guy, Yeah, Nicola Teslade and he 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:26.040 said that, um, and we've gotten this email from a 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:29.359 few folks that we were knocking DC power d C. 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.680 It's actually got lots of great applications and we didn't 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:34.919 highlight those. We might do that later. Is there a 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:40.160 camp of people who are fans of DC electricity? Yeah, 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:42.280 you stated a couple of times that DC is a 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:46.199 poor transmitter of electricity across long distances. Actually, a lot 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:48.679 of talk is going on now in the energy business 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:53.200 about the possibility of using high voltage DC or direct 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:57.440 current to transmit electricity across long distances high voltages. Direct 0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:01.080