1 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory. 2 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes with Lance Lynn Kyle Gibson, Family Business. Excused absence. 3 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: Matt Holliday has faded us for the time being. Hopefully 4 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: we'll get him back on the show. The Cardinals just 5 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: wrapped up a road trip where they finished five hundred 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: some nice comeback wins. Jordan Walker is having a monster 7 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: breakout season so far. In the early going, we're going 8 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: to get to all that. But first Lance, as you know, 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: we beg so we're asking people, if you enjoy Cardinal Territory, 10 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: tell some friends, or at the very least reach out. 11 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: Hit that subscriber button because we're trying to get to 12 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: seven k. 13 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: We are growing, but lately it's. 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: Been a bit of a slog, so go ahead and 15 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: hit that subscribe button. Now we're going to talk some Cardinals, 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: but we wanted to talk some brawl first, Lance, if 17 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: that's okay. Everyone saw the video of the Braves and 18 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: Angels brawling. Apparently, Ah, Jorge Solaire hits uh Raynaldo Lopez 19 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: really really well. 20 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: Then Tuesday night he hits a Homer and his neck's 21 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 2: that bad. 22 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: He got plunked, and then Lopez comes in and high 23 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: on another pitch and there's some talking. Next thing you know, 24 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: punches are being thrown. Not sure if any landed. Both 25 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: guys got suspended. They're appealing. One guy had his suspension 26 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: shortened already. But my question is, lance, as I watched 27 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: this video and I know you did, is where's the catcher? 28 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: Him? 29 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 3: The catcher? 30 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: Right now? 31 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: We're so we're we're we're used to seeing YACHTI running 32 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: the show, right, But if you're you're a former major 33 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: league pitcher and Solayer is a big man, he's a 34 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: giant guy, you could probably do some damage. 35 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: And this was my question watching it. 36 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: The catcher is supposed to get in between you and 37 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: the guy who's trying to hurt you if you're the 38 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: starting pitcher, and not be pushing from behind. So my 39 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: question is what should the role of a good catcher 40 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: be when a batter wants to beat up your pitcher? 41 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's that one's It was a weird 42 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,839 Speaker 4: h the way it went down. It wasn't directly like hey, 43 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 4: after the ball you know went over his head or 44 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 4: you know, went high and tight that it went down. 45 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 4: It took a minute to get going. So the catcher 46 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 4: I think wasn't quite ready for it. You know, obviously 47 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 4: every you know, every catcher is their their goal is 48 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 4: to get in between them, make sure hold them back 49 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 4: or whatever. 50 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 3: The way it went down, it was hard to you know, 51 00:02:58,320 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 3: you just didn't see it coming. 52 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 4: I guess, you know, they started chirping and then so 53 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 4: Laia was already gone before he could even get get 54 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 4: to him or get from behind the plate. So I'll 55 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 4: give him, I'll give him some grace on this one. 56 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 4: So Laria was out ahead of him, he's bigger than him, 57 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 4: and he was on a mission to get a hold 58 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 4: of Lopez. So that was that was a hard one 59 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 4: to get around and get in front of somebody. You know, 60 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 4: if somebody gets plunked and and there's the plays dead 61 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 4: and things like that, then you expected catcher to kind 62 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 4: of like, yeah, he was always great at coming out 63 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 4: and he would always get like out in front of 64 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 4: the home plate on the grass and stuff like that 65 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 4: and just make sure. But that one wasn't how that 66 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 4: one went down, So I'll give the catcher some grace there. 67 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 3: But yeah, those two go way back. 68 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 4: I mean they've been and they were in the same 69 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 4: division for a while a couple of different times. So 70 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 4: you know, as you said, he hits Ronaldo well, and 71 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 4: I know although as a teammate he doesn't like being 72 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 4: hit well. So he was trying to, you know, make 73 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 4: him uncomfortable. And that's usually what happens when when both 74 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 4: sides want to make sure the other one knows who's 75 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 4: in charge. 76 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: So Lopez keeps the ball in his hand, which is 77 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: an option. There's a weapon, I yes, and never really 78 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: seen that, but you've I don't know if you've had 79 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: guys charge them at them, but from a picture standpoint, 80 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: I've seen it go. 81 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: You throw a glove at him. 82 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: Some guys, you see the picture, let the batter's momentum 83 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: take you know, and kind of sidestep and take them 84 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: out that way. What's the best option for a picture 85 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: when they know they're about to be. 86 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: Charged, You know, it just depends on what you are. 87 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 3: You know. 88 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 4: Usually usually if you are a fighter, you're probably gonna 89 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 4: meet him halfway and be ready for it. 90 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: There's ones that want no part of it. 91 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 4: They usually are a backpedal and make sure the catcher 92 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 4: or third basement first baseman like get there before to 93 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 4: make sure, no one gets to them. So it's all 94 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 4: about what what's your what your intentions are, and what 95 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 4: you're trying to do. So you know, for me, my 96 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 4: favorite one I think I ever saw was, well you 97 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 4: have like the back of the day going Ryan with 98 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 4: venture just headlocking him, going for it. If that would 99 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 4: be what I would go for, walking to him and 100 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 4: being like, all right, let's do this, and then wrapping 101 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 4: him up. 102 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: And go down. 103 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 4: And then Farnsworth what Farnsworth like just decleted somebody chasing 104 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 4: like coming at him one time too, So those are 105 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 4: probably my favorite two. The way that the pitchers go 106 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 4: so no helmets, snow bats, no gloves, snowballs, That's the. 107 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: Way I would go about it. 108 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 4: It's you versus me, if we're going to do this, 109 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 4: and then we'll we'll figure out how to get get 110 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 4: it get it from there. 111 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: See that's me. I'm just hoping that catch your intervenes quickly. 112 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 3: The other thing, you're the backs to the back of 113 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: the mound. 114 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 4: Catcher grabs them, third baseman, first baseman, you guys, you 115 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 4: guys got it. 116 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 3: And then are you that guy that like runs and 117 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: jumps in at the end when they got him down? 118 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: What I would do is once the guy's secure ustance. 119 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, once the guy's secured, then I pretend I really 120 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: wanted a piece of them, you see, and I see 121 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: a lot of pictures doing that. 122 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 3: Has your chance, Yeah, I like So. 123 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 4: One of my favorite ones too is Joe Kelly and 124 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 4: I think it was awesome from the Yankees back in 125 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 4: the day when he met him and that boy was 126 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 4: that boy was bigger than Joe and Joe they stood 127 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 4: up and they did it right there. 128 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 3: So respect to Joe for that one. He was like, Hey, 129 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 3: let's do this, Let's do it. 130 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: And Joe Kelly's Fight Club was born right there, still 131 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: selling T shirts for that. How about that Wilson Contreras 132 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: h we know him as a Cardinals now with the 133 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: Red Sox. We'll see him this weekend. We'll talk more 134 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: about that in a minute. But Wilson is a fiery 135 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: guy and they're Red Socks are facing the Brewers, and 136 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: the Brewers have a history of plunking Wilson Coon Treer's 137 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: twenty four times they've done it. He got hit by 138 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: Woodruff six time. 139 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 2: That guy has hit him. So this is what Wilson's that's. 140 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: After the game, he said next time they hit me, 141 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take one of them out. That's the message. 142 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: You know Wilson pretty well. He's a scary guy, isn't he. 143 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 4: If he said it a minute, I'm gonna say that, yes, 144 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 4: if he if he gets hit again, he's not going 145 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 4: to let those words not be true. 146 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: So it's gonna be interesting. 147 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think they'll face each other again 148 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 4: this year, so that's good for him in the league 149 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 4: and all that in case it does go down. But yeah, 150 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 4: I mean, I think in his career he's been hit 151 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 4: by Milwaukee pitching more than any team by a lot. 152 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 3: And then so yeah, he's just over it. 153 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 4: When you play in that division that long as he has, 154 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 4: you're gonna have beef. And Milwaukee's his team that he'd 155 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 4: bet swiss. And it's kind of crazy because his brother's 156 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 4: the catcher, So who's he taking out? Usually you go 157 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 4: after the catcher, you know, so you know, as you 158 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 4: get to try to whoop his little brother's ass when 159 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 4: he gets hit again. I don't really know how it's 160 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 4: going to go down, but somebody, I mean, you saw 161 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 4: him on the slide in a second like that's Hey, 162 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 4: you got to keep hitting me, I'm going to get somebody. 163 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 4: And he got the you know, the you know, the 164 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 4: infielder at second, so he means what he says. And yes, 165 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 4: when you get hit that many times, you can take 166 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 4: it personal, like it's Woodroff is a good enough picture 167 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 4: where you you shouldn't be hitting someone that much. So 168 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 4: I think John Lackett used to say, it's like, is 169 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 4: it not on purpose? It might not be, but you 170 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 4: know you're good enough not to hit me, So you're 171 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 4: just coming in there carelessly because you don't care if 172 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 4: you hit me. And there's so that's kind of where 173 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 4: he's at. It's like, okay, if you don't care if 174 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 4: you hit me, and you do hit me, I don't 175 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 4: care if I hurt one of your guys. And he 176 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 4: let everybody know that, and you understand that because he's 177 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 4: been hitting the hand and miss time and this all 178 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 4: that like you're taking you know, food off his table 179 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 4: by keep plunking him to and he's tired of it. 180 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: Now there's a time and place for retribution. 181 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: I remember when Wilson was with the Cardinals, he seemed 182 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: to intimate that some of the pictures should have taken 183 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: care of him and answered back when he gets plunked. Now, 184 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: I know for a fact, because I know a lot 185 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: of guys that don't play anymore who have told me 186 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: they're not going to tell tales. But managers we all 187 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: know have instructed them plunked this guy. They don't come 188 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: and they don't say in so many words, but that 189 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: direction is pretty clear. 190 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: Have you do you had you ever been told to 191 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: do that? 192 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: Or is that something that Lanceln would do because he 193 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: knows it's the right thing to. 194 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 4: Do when you're When you're younger, you get instructed on 195 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 4: how to navigate a ballgame the way that you should, 196 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 4: and then you get older you learn to do what 197 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 4: you think is right when you need to do it 198 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 4: at certain times. So I had it both ways in 199 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 4: my career where I was able to be taught how 200 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 4: to navigate a ballgame in a series and a situation, 201 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 4: and then was able to learn from that and take 202 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 4: care of the ballgame and situations on my own as 203 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 4: I got older. 204 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 3: In my in my career. 205 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 4: So you know the nice words that you say, you know, 206 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 4: is this, hey, let's make this guy feel this, or 207 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 4: you know that was said to me one time and 208 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 4: then another one was uh, I want you to put 209 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 4: a hole through this motherfucker. So you know, it's it 210 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 4: is what it is. So that's that's how it kind 211 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 4: of goes down. 212 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,239 Speaker 1: As I say, that's baseball. But we all know sometimes 213 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: the direction comes down from the manager, and the manager 214 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: will deny it and deny it and deny it, but 215 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: it happens and it's part of baseball. Did you have 216 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: a player in particular in your career that you didn't 217 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: get along with that there might have been a little 218 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: of that brushback or accidental meaning that that happened more 219 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: than on one occasion. 220 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 4: No, I never, like, like, there wasn't a guy where 221 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 4: it's like, hey, I'm going to hit him because he's 222 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 4: hitting me. Like that was never my mindset. If you're 223 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 4: like own me in a sense, hey, that's that's on 224 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 4: me to get you out. So I'm not gonna You know, 225 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 4: there's guys that I wanted to make feel uncomfortable inside, 226 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 4: but I'm not throwing it in there to hit him 227 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 4: on purpose or anything like that, because they you know, 228 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 4: if you leave it out over, they do you damage. 229 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 4: So I've never plunked anyone. I think the only person 230 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 4: I ever really got just pissed off. 231 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 2: At was uh. 232 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 3: Para. He was with what Diamondbacks for a long time. 233 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 3: Then he got me. 234 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 4: He got me in Colorado, like one road deep in Colorado, 235 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 4: and I was like, man, I'm over this guy. That 236 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 4: was the only guy I was like, I think I'm 237 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 4: gonna hit him next time. Never did, but I was like, 238 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 4: I just he just deserves one in the kneecap. 239 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 3: I don't really know what. 240 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 4: Else to do, but I didn't because I was like, 241 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 4: you know, what if that's how you're gonna get him out, 242 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 4: or you know if that's what you got. 243 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 3: To do, because you can't get him out, that's bullshit. 244 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: So I didn't do it. But that was my mic. 245 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 4: This guy just made I just needed to make him 246 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 4: feel something because he just finds the barrel with my 247 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 4: pitch whatever I throw, but never hit him. 248 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: But the biggest beef I think from from hitters. Even 249 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: if you plunk them intentionally, most of them understand that's 250 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: the game. They just don't want it in the in 251 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: the danger era, as you mentioned something that could sideline 252 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: them and take food off their table, that's when you 253 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: get the reaction. 254 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 4: Right, Oh yeah, I see, I think I got I 255 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 4: got justin up in one year in Texas in the 256 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 4: hand when I was literally I was trying to throw 257 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 4: a fastball like up and away for you know, swing through, 258 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 4: and I had the shooter that armside that ran into 259 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 4: his hand. I was like, after the game, I saw 260 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 4: him a botto of Don Julio and told him, my bad. 261 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 4: You know, if you hurt a guy on a hand 262 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 4: or something like that, it's like, hey, my bad. You 263 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 4: know it wasn't on purpose, but you know I got 264 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 4: to be better than that. So you definitely want to 265 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 4: don't want to go up top. You want to say 266 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 4: away from hands and head. That's that's that's what I 267 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,599 Speaker 4: was told from me. It was always aim at the 268 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 4: hip because if it rides a little high, you get 269 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 4: the ribs you did real good. And if it goes 270 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 4: a little low, you get meat of the you know, 271 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 4: you get meat of the leg. Which you know, if 272 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 4: you get them good and get a nice little Charlie 273 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 4: worse in the leg, and you know they both they 274 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 4: both are felt the same. A little hitchhot doesn't feel 275 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 4: good either. 276 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. All right. 277 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: Well, the Cardinals just finished up a road trip. They 278 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: played very well on that road Trip. There's still two 279 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: games over five hundred, I think, exceeding a lot of 280 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: expectations because they always seem to battle back. They got 281 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: the Red Sox this week and we're gonna talk more 282 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: about that after the break. You're watching Cardinal Territory on 283 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: the found Territory Network. 284 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 5: With over thirty five million downloads. 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Dustin May goes for the Cards. It'll 310 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: be his third start as a Cardinal. First two lance 311 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: have not been good for May. Now, this guy's a veteran. 312 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: Doubles some injuries, but we know when he's healthy, the 313 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: guy can pitch. But now he's coming back from me. 314 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: That was kind of so so looking to it. Reinvent 315 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: himself had an outstanding spring and the first two starts 316 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: not good. You're a guy who's been around pitching a 317 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: long time, even a sort of veteran like May. Is 318 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: he feeling pressure now? That is this a because I 319 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: heard someone say this is a big start for dust 320 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: to May. It's early in the season, rebuilding year. I'm 321 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: not so sure it's a big start, or is it? 322 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: Am I do I have it wrong. 323 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 4: It's it's not it's not a big start, but it's 324 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 4: a it's a feel good start. 325 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 3: You need one of those. You know, you don't want 326 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 3: to have three bad ones in a row. 327 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 4: You don't want to you know, you look up and 328 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 4: April's behind you with a with just just trash right, 329 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 4: like just no feel no no confidence and all that. 330 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 4: So you know, it's not a make or break start, 331 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 4: it's a hey, we need it. We need to have 332 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 4: some positive like if he can get if we can 333 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 4: get him through five into the sixth inning, you know, 334 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 4: don't don't push him that extra inning today or you know, 335 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 4: like don't push him in an extra anything. This start 336 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 4: where it feels good to move on to the next one. 337 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 4: So it's like a it's a building block start, I guess, 338 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 4: and kind of forget. 339 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: The last two. Let's get back to what we do, 340 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 3: what you know how to do. 341 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 4: And you know it's hey, it's like you say veterans stuff, 342 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 4: but you know, I had he has only had one 343 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 4: year over he has a career year last year in 344 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 4: innings pitch at one hundred and thirty, so he's he's 345 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 4: still got a lot of you know, he's had some success, yes, 346 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 4: and had some playoff success and stuff like that, but 347 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 4: I putting it together over a full season is what 348 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 4: he's trying to prove right now. So it's a it's 349 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 4: a feel good start to start building that block, to 350 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 4: show him like, hey, I can make thirty starts, I 351 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 4: can throw one hundred and sixty to one hundred and 352 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 4: eighty innings and you know, I'll be thirty years old 353 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 4: and really like show people that I can be a 354 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 4: really good major league pitcher and be accountable and be 355 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 4: and be on the mound and you know, and and 356 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 4: be active. That's what he's trying to prove this year. 357 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 4: So I would say it's a we'll call it. We'll 358 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 4: call it a building We need a building block. Feel 359 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 4: good start coming up, all right? 360 00:16:58,880 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: I like that. 361 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: I like that Crumby start for the Red Sox, but 362 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: a really good start for the Cardinals. And Jordan Walker 363 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: who's good in the homestand continues it. He's homeward in 364 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: Ford of his last five games. He's got five homers 365 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: on the season. And this is a guy who had 366 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: six homers all of last year. This is a guy 367 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: who was up and down last year trying to find 368 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: that stroke. They simplified it, as Bran Brown said, they've 369 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: reached a great agreement on how to get Jordan back 370 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 1: where they're letting him do a lot of the stuff 371 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: that he wanted to do, what he's comfortable doing. But 372 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: they've also changed his body stance a little bit based 373 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: on data. To me, lance, he just looks like a 374 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: more confident guy. We knew he could hit because we 375 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: saw it in his first year in the big leagues, 376 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: but to me, he looks like a completely different hitter. 377 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean. 378 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 4: Confidence is huge in baseball. I mean, this is one 379 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 4: of the most negative games you can ever play. 380 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 3: Right. 381 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 4: You can go, you know, you can get out seven 382 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 4: out of ten times and you're like, man, what a 383 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 4: great what a great ten at that stretch that he had, 384 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 4: because you were had three hits, But you're like, you 385 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 4: got out seven of the other other times. So it 386 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 4: can be negative at all times. So I love what 387 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 4: they're doing in the sense of, hey, what are you 388 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 4: comfortable with and how can we integrate what we think 389 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 4: can help you and what you're comfortable with together. And 390 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 4: I think that's been the thing that's really been kind 391 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 4: of holding him back his first year. He had success, 392 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 4: they wanted more home runs in the ball in the air. 393 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 4: So now it's like change everything, and then you get 394 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 4: lost in this game. 395 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 3: You can get lost quick. 396 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 4: So they're giving the building blocks and then you slowly 397 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 4: build on the top of it. And then also, when 398 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 4: you're comfortable, you can worry about what the pitcher's trying 399 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 4: to do and actually incorporate an approach. When you're uncomfortable 400 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 4: and searching, you can't have an approach. You're trying to 401 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 4: figure out how what feels good to stand in the box? 402 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 4: Where's my hands, where's my when's my land leg hit? 403 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 3: Where where's my batpath? You have to be? 404 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 4: And you're like, by the time you're done with it, 405 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 4: the ball's by you and you're in the dugout going 406 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 4: like what just happened? And that's where you've been in 407 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 4: the last two years, to be honest with you, because 408 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 4: he's been. 409 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: Searching for everything that everybody wants him to do. 410 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 4: Figure out the player you are, and then you figure 411 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 4: out how to build on top of that. And I 412 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 4: think that's what he's finally done. And when you have 413 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 4: the lack of success he's had the last two years 414 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 4: at the major league level, you can learn a lot, 415 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 4: and I think he has. And then now it's like, 416 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 4: all right, I'm going to be me, but also figure 417 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 4: out all these things that they're trying to do, and 418 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 4: I can integrate a little bit. Hey, maybe he found 419 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 4: some things that didn't work for him, so now I 420 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 4: will never try him again, and that could be a 421 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 4: good building buck moving forward to him too. 422 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 3: So I like George's a good kid. 423 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 4: It was one of those things where everybody thought that 424 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 4: he should be a forty home run guy because he's big, right, 425 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 4: But he was twenty one years old and the big 426 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 4: leagues or even younger when he first came up. It's like, 427 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 4: you don't expect those guys to hit thirty home runs 428 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 4: and what at nineteen home runs his rookie year. If 429 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 4: he just stayed the same, that would have been twenty five, right, 430 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 4: just because he got bigger and more experience and all that. 431 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 4: But they've changed everything and then he just digressed because 432 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,959 Speaker 4: of it. So hopefully this is a huge pine, you know, 433 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 4: the comfort or the comfort of building everything together and 434 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 4: having someone that he trust and be like, hey, this 435 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 4: is what I like to do. Now tell me how 436 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 4: to integrate the things you like with what I like 437 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 4: to do, and then he'll become a good player. 438 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: That guy's Casey Chennan with who was a double A 439 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: hitting coach you Jordan liked a lot, and now he's 440 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: with the big league club. So that's certainly a support 441 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: system built in for Jordan. One of the things we've 442 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: seen outside Jordan is that this team battles back. And 443 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: you know they talk about starting pitchers when there's no 444 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: offense kind of maybe get a little tight, knowing one mistake. 445 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 2: Will cost him. 446 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: When you know that your team could come back from 447 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: a four run deficit, which we've seen the Cardinals do. 448 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: What does that do for a starting pitcher? Uh? 449 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 4: You know, for me as a starter, I never worried about, 450 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 4: uh what the offense was doing. You know, if you're 451 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 4: worrying about them, then you're you're not doing what you 452 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 4: need to do. But yes, when you know that, hey, 453 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 4: even if I get down, these boys aren't gonna quit 454 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 4: on me. They're gonna stay with me. They're gonna do 455 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 4: everything they can, and they got a lot of fight. 456 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 4: They're young and hungry man, and young and hungry baseball 457 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 4: players are are fun to watch and they and they 458 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 4: and you can't count them out. And that's what you're 459 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 4: that's what you're seeing early on is they've got guys 460 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 4: that are trying to show everyone that they're major leaguers. 461 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 4: They're trying to you know, get their career rolling, doing 462 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 4: the things they need to do. They're buying in. So 463 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 4: it's fun when you see young and hungry baseball players 464 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 4: play because there's no there's no you know, there's no 465 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 4: give up. 466 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 3: And that's the beauty. And when I mean when i'll 467 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 3: he'se your manager. 468 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 4: You're not going to have any get up, give up 469 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 4: because he's not going to allow you to have give up. 470 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 3: So I'm loving what I'm seeing. The energy. They're never 471 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 3: out of it. 472 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 4: You know, even when they get you know, slapped in 473 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 4: the face late in the game, they bounce back the 474 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 4: next game or the same game at some point. 475 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 3: And maybe even that the bottom half of that inning. 476 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 4: So there's no there's no whate was me games over 477 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 4: right away just because we gave up four or five. 478 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 3: It's like, okay, watch this. So that's fun. 479 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: In the bullpen, which you know, had taken its lumps 480 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: in some of the games that they didn't win, seems 481 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: to have corrected course to me. Swanson is a really 482 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: good pitcher. He was excellent last year. He's one of 483 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: those guys that had been a bullpen guy in the minors, 484 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: so he knows how to do it. But he got 485 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: hit around a lot we saw in his last outing. 486 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: Good and that seems still solidify the bullpen because now Ali, 487 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: you know, based on usage, can spread things out and 488 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: use guys where he thinks he'll have the most success. 489 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 2: And that's a good sign, isn't it. 490 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, And the flow of the season is going to 491 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 4: dictate the things that you need to Early on in 492 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 4: the year, you're trying to fill guys out, feel what 493 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 4: they can handle, especially when you have a young bullpen. 494 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 3: Right. 495 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 4: He had some success last year, but this is his 496 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 4: first full year. First opening week, you know, first everything 497 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 4: for real, and when you come up you're kind of 498 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 4: just piecing it together and figuring out how to how 499 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 4: to stay there. Now, when you make the opening day roster, 500 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 4: it's like, hey, there's a different expectation you put on yourself, 501 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 4: which might be unnecessary. You seem to kind of go 502 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 4: do what you did before. So hopefully this first week 503 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 4: everybody finds the rhythm. Alli finds the rhythm how he 504 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 4: wants to use guys. He can kind of pick their 505 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 4: brain a little bit, what makes them feel good when 506 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 4: they win, to bring them in if they're the start 507 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 4: of the inning guy, or if they are a guy 508 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 4: that can come in and get you out of an inning. 509 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 4: You know, you just find how those guys tick. And 510 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 4: it takes a minute. It's not spring training is like 511 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 4: all everyone's like, oh, they should already know that. It's like, no, 512 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 4: in spring training, you get clean innings. You know you 513 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 4: already when you show up that day, you know you're 514 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 4: scheduled to pitch the fourth, fifth, sixth inning in a 515 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 4: big league game, it's you know, hey, you're going to be, 516 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 4: you know, a bridge guy. 517 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 3: Are you're going to be this today? And then you're 518 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 3: going to find those guys out. 519 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,959 Speaker 4: Let them have a little success, and then you can 520 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 4: figure out who you's going to be your fireman and 521 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 4: if we got to get out of a six and 522 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 4: then can he come back out for the seventh. And 523 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 4: these young guys are trying to figure that out at 524 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,719 Speaker 4: the big league level, always trying to figure them out 525 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 4: to see how they tick and what they can handle. 526 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 4: And they also are going to have to push them 527 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 4: a little bit to see what they're capable of. And 528 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 4: that's going to be the fun thing that happens this year. 529 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 4: It's going to have some lumps. Like you said, there's 530 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 4: gonna be more lumps, but that's what you happen when 531 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 4: you have a young team that's trying to. 532 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 3: Show what they're capable of it. There's gonna be. 533 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 4: Things you're like, oh that was that worked out? Great, 534 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 4: he's found his rhythm. But then you try a little 535 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 4: something else, give him more of a leverage situation. It 536 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 4: might not go well, but you got to do it 537 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 4: again because you gotta see if you can handle it 538 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 4: and see if he can be somebody for you, especially 539 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 4: down the stretch or maybe even next year when you're 540 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 4: trying to you know, win the division and things like that. 541 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 3: You got to help build them up. So it's gonna 542 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 3: be a fun little ride. But there's gonna be some mumps. 543 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's bumps, But if you have a young team 544 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: that's gonna always try to punch back, I think fans 545 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: will get on board. Hopefully we see some decent crowds. 546 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: Lance we started our program with some baseball talk. We 547 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: circled nicely back to the Cardinals, and that's gonna do 548 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: it for us. Great job, Lance, and that's gonna do 549 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. We'll see you 550 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: next time for the next episode, and hopefully that one 551 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: won't suck.