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Speaker 1: This the One Bill's Live, presented by Calida Health.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're darn tooting. It's One Bill's Live. Back in

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Speaker 2: the saddle, ready to roll for training camp week. Let's

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Speaker 2: go Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. We did not

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Speaker 2: rehearse that. That was pretty impressive.

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Speaker 1: That was pretty impressed.

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Speaker 2: Kind of little synchronization there, that was It's like we

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Speaker 2: didn't miss any time together. How about that.

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Speaker 1: It's been three weeks since we've done a show together.

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Speaker 2: That's right, because I'm vacation.

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Speaker 1: I was gone for a week. We took the week

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Speaker 1: of July fourth off, then you took a week off.

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Speaker 1: I good it with Maddie. Maddie last week here we are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we gotta get it in in July. Yeah, not

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Speaker 2: really getting it in at any other point in time.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we took our downtime and now it's go time.

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Speaker 2: As the players will be practicing out at Saint John

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Speaker 2: Fisher in the middle of this week, a couple of

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Speaker 2: days away, so by this time, in a couple of days,

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Speaker 2: the first practice will be in the book. Steve and

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Speaker 2: I will be out there covering the practices as well

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Speaker 2: as reporting back to you from Saint John Fisher.

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Speaker 1: We got this question from someone who you know, and

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Speaker 1: you'll obviously know who it is when I tell you,

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Speaker 1: are we riding over there together? Am I gonna pick

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Speaker 1: or ask this? Yeah, you can get who asked? You

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Speaker 1: know it was the missus, but you know it's my

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Speaker 1: lovely bride. Are you gonna drive? You and Chris can

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Speaker 1: go together?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Are we gonna do that? You're I mean I can

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Speaker 1: pick you up on the way in then.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I'm kind of out of your way though,

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Speaker 2: Well I am kind of because you're South Town's.

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Speaker 1: You just take and then jump up on the Pembroke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, see, I'm I'm a mile.

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Speaker 1: From the throat, but you're right there anyway, so I.

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Speaker 2: Would be kind of you'd be backtracking to get to me.

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Speaker 1: Not backtracking so much is just going a long way.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Sure i'd go up transit and jump jump on right there.

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Speaker 2: I would, I would tend to say. Now, I would

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Speaker 2: tend to say probably not. Well, no, and for a

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Speaker 2: number of reasons, not the least of which is you're

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Speaker 2: very busy away from this job schedule for nothing. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you are filled to the gills with other commitments, and

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Speaker 2: if you're if, I'm if you're my ride. Now I'm

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Speaker 2: hamstringing you to do all those things and leave at

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Speaker 2: your leisure and hey, I gotta get somewhere. I gotta go. Well,

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Speaker 2: hold on, I gotta finish right in this thing and

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Speaker 2: then I can go. Now I'm holding you up, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking that about you. Actually, I thought

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Speaker 1: you'd have you'd have work to do, and I don't.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would have work, you would have other commitments.

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Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's kind of the fly in the ointment there, right.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean if we could work it out

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Speaker 2: one day, sure, I don't mind doing that. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: trying to be environmentally with one less car on the

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Speaker 1: Every once in a while you just like pull the

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Speaker 1: ripcorn said, listen, I ain't going bay, I gotta stay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there are times and I will stay.

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Speaker 1: I am.

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Speaker 2: I'll probably be doing that this week.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if I work till ten at night.

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Speaker 1: I ain't staying.

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Speaker 2: Dorm beds. Not for you.

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Speaker 1: I am laying down. That is a life choice right there.

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing it.

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Speaker 2: That's fair.

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing it.

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Speaker 2: I totally get that, because I gotta tell you, my

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Speaker 2: a different way of living. Yeah, when you're twenty two,

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Speaker 2: you don't give it. You don't give a hoot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta really wanted to do that, and I'm

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Speaker 1: just not there. You don't want it. I don't want it.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to wake up with a crick in

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Speaker 1: Having said that, though, I mean, even today we got

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Speaker 2: They're yeah, well let's go. Yeah, they got to get

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll probably do a walk around the weight room, training.

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Speaker 2: Room where it's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, logistics, this fence has got to be moved, this

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Speaker 1: they're going to do that tonight and I'll walk through

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Speaker 1: it tomorrow. Guys, dudes are showing up tomorrow. First thing, man,

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Speaker 2: I actually saw on Twitter Dawson Knox is stuck. He

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Speaker 2: got delayed.

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Speaker 2: He got by American, one of the airlines there, and

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Speaker 2: he was talking. I can't remember where he is now.

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Speaker 2: Is he still stuck in Tennessee or is he somewhere else?

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Speaker 1: He was stuck in Atlanta, wasn't he?

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Speaker 2: Oh, Atlanta, that's where he was, and now he's got

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Speaker 2: to stay the night. He can't get out till tomorrow. Right,

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Speaker 2: So a good thing he left as early as he did,

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Speaker 1: Think about it. Yeah, because he lives in nashes From Nashville,

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Speaker 1: that's where he's going from. He said, listen until they

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Speaker 1: start getting some flights from Buffalo to Nashville.

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Speaker 2: Not direct. Yeah, you can't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not flying on said airline anymore. I've always said that.

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Speaker 1: I've said that one hundred times. There's only like five

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Speaker 1: five airlines. I've said it five times about each of them.

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Speaker 1: I'm never flying on that thing again until I need

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Speaker 1: that suck in Charlotte. Yeah, I've said that twenty five times.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The good news is there are direct flights from Charlotte.

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Speaker 2: To Buffalo. I know that. So hopefully he gets out

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Speaker 2: tomorrow without issue.

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Speaker 1: You can find a seat. Well, that is true, and

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Speaker 1: I did that for twenty years, two decades. I was

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Speaker 1: flying all over the country during football season. You know

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Speaker 1: or that. You know, they jump around, right.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to do anything except.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you what in this day and age, I

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: It's rough out there. It is rough out there.

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Speaker 2: I think now more than ever. To Dawson's point, you

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Speaker 2: want to avoid flights with connections as much as possible.

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Speaker 2: If you have to pay seventy five dollars more for

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Speaker 2: affair and it's NonStop and it's direct, do it, pay.

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Speaker 1: It, pay it. You've got a chance of getting.

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Speaker 2: There, you know, as long as you can afford it.

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Speaker 1: We'll say this too. I hear more and more more.

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Speaker 1: Weather has been a problem around and as soon as

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Speaker 2: Was Well right, it's a popular airport because you know,

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Speaker 2: I told you my my wife had a girl's weekend

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Speaker 1: It's literally you could hitch hike faster.

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Speaker 2: We ended up putting her on a train.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you get a train and do it. My I

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Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, you're right at Moynahan station. It's great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Right, you're not you're not getting out at LaGuardia and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're at thirty third and seventh.

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Speaker 1: It's great. So it's done. We need to fix that.

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Speaker 1: Somebody needs to fix mass transit in this country, coast

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Speaker 2: It is sorely lacking in comparison to Europe.

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Speaker 1: And I get it. We're bigger than Japan. Japan has

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Speaker 2: Well from is it?

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Speaker 1: From New York to la is It? Where are you

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Speaker 1: You can't. But if you stop in Wichita, you ain't

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Speaker 2: Okay. I I think it can be done. I just

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Speaker 2: think there are too many lobbies who would prefer it

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Speaker 1: I get it, I get around around. We'd like to

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Speaker 1: days stinks. We're fixing it. We're gonna do something else. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: you know. But for it, the stuff that should happen

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Speaker 2: Because it makes too much sense that this is where

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Speaker 1: Somebody else is gonna say.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and that's and that's the problem. If something

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Speaker 2: well then somehow, some way, suddenly it doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: It's it's frustabotage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's frustrating. But let's get on too uh more

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Speaker 2: important notes that people are listening for, which is namely

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Speaker 2: around the NFL, which is brought to you by Kalida Health,

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Speaker 2: the official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills. We unfortunately

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Speaker 2: begin with some unfortunate news for a Bills player, Nahim Hines,

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Speaker 2: as many of you have probably already seen out on

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Speaker 2: the social media reports and such, is reportedly going to

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Speaker 2: miss the twenty twenty three season after a freak jet

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Speaker 2: ski accident. Tom Pelasaro of NFL Network was the first

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Speaker 2: to report this this morning. It was labeled a serious

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Speaker 2: knee injury and it was caused by another jet skier. So,

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Speaker 2: according to Tom Pelisaro's account of what happened, Naim Hines

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Speaker 2: was on a jet ski in a stationary position. You know,

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Speaker 2: he was idling, wasn't moving traveling, sitting still on a

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Speaker 2: caused some very serious but thankfully non life threatening injuries.

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Speaker 2: And in just the last hour, Tom Pelasaro has updated

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Speaker 2: It's terrible. Now, you know, the business of football however,

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Speaker 1: We've been handed this. We've got a little card that

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Speaker 1: That kind of stuff. So Heines ain't on the roster,

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Speaker 2: But especially this timing. Oh, my gosh, just I mean

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Speaker 1: Yeah he is. And if I'm the Chiefs, I don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But is he taking a short deal? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Hit another bite, a double dip. I really wonder how

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Speaker 2: I mean, and what happened? They traded him? He was

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Speaker 1: We don't care.

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Speaker 2: We're not paying you thirty million. Are they gonna play

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Speaker 2: Right, but how many times can you keep doing that?

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Speaker 1: Well, if you bowl, if you keep getting one's back

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, and you got the great eraser there at

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Speaker 2: Here's the problem, though. Your highest investment in the defensive

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Speaker 1: Damn Danny Shelton was a good is a good player.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing, Brownie. You're in an arms race.

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Speaker 1: here's this, If I'm the Chiefs, I would have rather

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Speaker 2: But chose not to do that. I think this is

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Speaker 1: Do they do work? They went to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: And won it, right. I think the only difference is

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Speaker 1: Although there's a lot of ways to look at it Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: Fans can live with a good team this year who

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Speaker 1: So is this year where you do jettison him for

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Speaker 1: send them to thee for heaven's sake. You can send

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Speaker 1: you know, send them someplace out of conference, get the money,

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Speaker 1: get the guys back, and kind of cobble it together

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: That seems obvious to me. Tyreek Hill was still a

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Speaker 2: and probably one of only three difference makers on that

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Speaker 2: entire defense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll say this too. Now you say thirty million,

438
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Speaker 1: it's a big number, but it's getting smaller all the time.

439
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Speaker 1: That numbers the year, it's the off season of the

440
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Right, it's me Quintin Williams. Just a number

441
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Speaker 1: that's getting smaller all the time because the salary cap

442
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Speaker 1: is going up and up and up. And I'm I'm

443
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Speaker 1: telling you, I think the CAP's going to go way up. Now.

444
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Speaker 1: They may put a lid on the capus, you know,

445
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Speaker 1: because they don't want it to fluctuate up and down.

446
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: But it's going up again. So you give him. Could

447
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Speaker 1: you would he sign a deal? Say, hey, sign the

448
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Speaker 1: the tender contract this year. Next year the new contract

449
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: kicks him, will sign it now? You know what I mean?

450
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Speaker 1: Can you do that? I think you can. Well you

451
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Speaker 1: mean tagon play the play for the franchise tag?

452
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Speaker 2: Well, well, no, the franchise tag's out the window. They

453
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Speaker 2: didn't tag him, didn't Oh.

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Speaker 1: They didn't tag him, did they? I thought he would

455
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Speaker 1: just sign it.

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Speaker 2: Well you're past it. You're past July seventeenth. He can't

457
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Speaker 2: sign it.

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Speaker 1: So my point would be, you gotta double check. So

459
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Speaker 1: his contract status right now is a big part of this,

460
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Speaker 1: and I I just don't know if you know, you

461
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,479
Speaker 1: spend the money now or can you push it down

462
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Speaker 1: like having played for a million bucks this year and

463
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Speaker 1: then it kicks in big time down the road. I

464
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Speaker 1: I'm I am just having a hard time seeing the

465
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Speaker 1: Chiefs do this for him because I just don't think different. Well,

466
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Speaker 1: everybody else thinks defensive tackles are pretty important because they're

467
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Speaker 1: paying them. All he's making. He's got a four year,

468
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Speaker 1: eighty million dollar contract.

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Speaker 2: Oh he's still under contract. He just wants an extension.

470
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Speaker 1: Average salary is twenty so to me, that's not as

471
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Speaker 1: big a jump as what they're making it out to be.

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Speaker 1: He's got a he's on a four year deal for

473
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Speaker 1: eighty million dollars guaranteed sixty million, and it expires next year.

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Speaker 2: So he wants a new deal, and they're like, yeah, no,

475
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Speaker 2: he's gonna be twenty eight million next year. What the

476
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Speaker 2: hell is the difference is.

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Speaker 1: Giving him thirty now, it's a good point.

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Speaker 2: Restructure the whole thing. Give yourself some more cap space

479
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Speaker 2: this year because they only have about six hundred grand

480
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Speaker 2: in cap space. Get him done, now, give him thirty.

481
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Speaker 2: I mean, you can't spread it out creatively. Front load

482
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Speaker 2: the thing for him. Make him happy while he's still good. Yeah,

483
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Speaker 2: I get, you know, I get not wanting to break

484
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Speaker 2: the bank on a certain number of players. To me,

485
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Speaker 2: this is a law of diminishing returns. Example, you know,

486
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Speaker 2: you get rid of Hill and it worked for you.

487
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Speaker 2: You still were the number one offense in football because

488
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Speaker 2: of the quarterback you have, and you won the Super Bowl.

489
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Speaker 2: That's great, but you keep chipping away from the top

490
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Speaker 2: five pyramid of players on your roster.

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Speaker 1: You've got seven guys on their roster that are making

492
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Speaker 1: ten million plus average per year, and it goes from

493
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Speaker 1: every play everybody from Marquez Valdez Scantling, Justin Reid, Travis Kelsey,

494
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Speaker 1: Juwan Taylor, Joe Toney, Chris Jones, Patrick Mahomes in reverse order,

495
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Speaker 1: Mahomes being the highest one at forty five average a year.

496
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Speaker 1: Then it's Chris Jones at twenty, Joe Toney at sixteen,

497
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Speaker 1: Juwan Taylor at twenty, Travis Kelsey at fourteen, and Justin

498
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Speaker 1: Reid at ten, and Marquez Valdez Scanting at ten. They

499
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Speaker 1: got seven guys there, and all those guys are making

500
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Speaker 1: ten twenty thirty four fifty four seventy ninety one hundred

501
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Speaker 1: and thirty five million of the cap is wrapped up

502
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Speaker 1: in those seven guys. The CAP's two twenty five.

503
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's look, I understand what they're up against. I

504
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 2: just think the timing is horrible because you don't have

505
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Speaker 2: any if you have to move him. The only way

506
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Speaker 2: to fortify your roster p really for this season is

507
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: to get a player back in return who costs considerably

508
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: less and presumably isn't as good. That's the best case

509
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Speaker 2: scenario in terms of helping your roster this year. If

510
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: you determine he can't be on your roster and you

511
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: can't pay him. He's still under contract, like I don't know,

512
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: maybe they waited out.

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Speaker 1: It's a really difficult problem for the chiefs. It's a

514
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: big problem, particularly if he's good. Chris Jones is vehement

515
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: because think about it. Are they gonna trade They're gonna

516
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: trade him, or they're gonna What are they gonna do

517
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: if they trade that guy or refuse to pay him? Well,

518
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Speaker 1: I didn't refuse because he's making twenty million per year.

519
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: But if they trade him or do something like that,

520
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: what does that tell the rest of the roster? What's that?

521
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: What's that say about your organization? If you can't get

522
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,959
Speaker 1: a deal done? You know, that guy is a dynamite.

523
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: He is unbelievable, and they're they're like, man, you're not

524
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: that important. I mean, what's that? What's that tell the

525
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Speaker 1: rest of those guys? What am I doing here?

526
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

527
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Speaker 2: It's it's a sticky situation, the timing of it and

528
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 2: the limited options that the Chiefs are gonna have here.

529
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Speaker 2: If they decide we can't pay him, he's not happy,

530
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: Let's move him. You can't move him now, You're not

531
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: gonna your roster is gonna be worse.

532
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you move him.

533
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Speaker 2: Your roster is unquestionably worse this year. And there's no

534
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 2: two ways about it.

535
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be worse whether you did it in Marchorie

536
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 1: anyway either, there's no way.

537
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but at least you have a draft to refortify

538
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 2: the position. You don't have that at your disposal.

539
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: That you're taking the guy right off the top. It's

540
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: like taking Steph Diggs off the receiving core of the Bills.

541
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's fast.

542
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: It's really gonna bear watching as to how they handle it.

543
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: But the problem for the chiefs is multifold one. It's

544
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 1: a message to their entire roster about how important players are.

545
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: It's a message to their fans. It's a philosophical declaration

546
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: as well. If you let him go, it's and it

547
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: says all the wrong things. If he's not a chief,

548
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: that's right.

549
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: Make no mistake. This front office has earned some cachet

550
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: with their success over the last five years. Right, I mean,

551
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 2: what are they for? Four AFC title games in a row,

552
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: four of the last five. They missed the one because

553
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: the Bengals beat him the year before last, but four

554
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: out of the last five years, they're in the AFC

555
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: Title Game and they have two Super Bowls, so they've

556
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: earned a little cachet in that area. I'm very I'm

557
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: gonna be very interested to see how this thing unfolds

558
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: because Chris Jones has limited leverage here because he is

559
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: under contract, and he's gonna be getting fifty thousand dollars

560
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: fines a day every day that he's not at camp.

561
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: That's that's gonna start hurting real soon. And I think

562
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: the Chiefs know that, and I'd be like, sorry, bro,

563
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: come back.

564
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: Well, it'll probably turn into a hold in, which means

565
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: he'll come in and he'll just sit, stand around in

566
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: do anything. Yeah, And that's you know, that's his prerogative.

567
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: I'll say this, that's kind of even. I think even

568
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: in the locker room, guys are gonna be looking at him, like, Bro,

569
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: we're out here working making twenty million dollars. Come on, man,

570
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: then it becomes then it's back on him. Yeah.

571
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: But player value is a big thing, you know, And

572
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: forget about defensive tackle. I how about the running back position.

573
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: I didn't have a chance to get to that yet.

574
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Speaker 2: But that's a whole other subject that we can talk about.

575
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Speaker 2: Later this week. What we should also tell you is

576
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Speaker 2: our topic of discussion for today, which obviously has to

577
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Speaker 2: deal with Bill's training camp. What do you expect to

578
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: be the biggest difference at Bill's training camp this summer?

579
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: Maybe something that has to do with the team on

580
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: the field that you expect to be different when you

581
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: go out there and watch the players perform at practice.

582
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: Maybe it's something about your personal experience at training camp

583
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: that you expect to be different from last summer. Whatever

584
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: it is, will take anything under the sun. What do

585
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: you expect to be the biggest difference at Bill's training

586
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Speaker 2: camp this summer? Eight three zero five point fifty one

587
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Speaker 2: eight eight eight five point fifty two the number to

588
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: get on board. We have open lines for you there,

589
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: so hit us up there or on the tweetsheet at

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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live. We're back with your phone calls when

591
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: we return, we'll see in a couple of minutes. Stay tuned,

592
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: all right, Welcome back to One Bill's Live. Chris Brown,

593
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you here just two days before training

594
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Speaker 2: camp gets underway on the field to the Buffalo Bills

595
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Speaker 2: at Saint John. Fisher will be down there later this week,

596
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: so be sure to tune into the show. We'll give

597
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: you all the updates you need on the goings on

598
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: at training camp. We have an update right now. As

599
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: we mentioned in the first segment of the show, NFL

600
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: reporter Aaron Wilson was reporting that the Bills worked out

601
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: both tight end Jace Sternberger and free agent running back

602
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: Darren ton Evans, who does have return experience. That presumably

603
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: the wake of the reported knee injury which is now

604
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: being reported by Tom Pellisero of NFL Network as an

605
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: ACL knee injury for naihim Hines, a non football injury,

606
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: and Aaron Wilson also reporting now two other running backs

607
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 2: worked out for the Bills as well today, Kylon Hill,

608
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: and Mississippi State product former seventh round pick of the

609
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Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers in twenty twenty one, and Abram Smith,

610
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Speaker 2: a former undrafted free agent signing of the Saints in

611
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one and most recently with the DC Defenders

612
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: of the XFL. So that should bring you up to

613
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: date on the goings on with regard to possible player

614
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: development news. We do want to get back to the

615
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: topic at hand, though, however, which is what do you

616
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: expect to be the biggest difference at training camp this

617
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: summer at Saint John Fisher. Could be something that affects

618
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: your personal experience number one or number two. It could

619
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Speaker 2: be something you're expecting to see on the field of

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Speaker 2: play at practice. I know one thing that I know

621
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Speaker 2: is going to be different that I'm looking forward to, Steve.

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Speaker 2: The fact that Trudevious White is going to be on

623
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Speaker 2: the practice field. I'm really looking forward to that because

624
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: you and I saw him in the spring. That guy

625
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: was loaded for bear. He looked like the old Trudevious White.

626
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Speaker 2: That's that's what's going to be different for me a

627
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: training camp, and I'm looking forward to it.

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00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also it's not just that he was practicing

629
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Speaker 1: out there and playing well and doing all the drills

630
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Speaker 1: and do all that. He was also exuberant. He was himself.

631
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Speaker 2: He looked like he had the same personality disposition.

632
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Speaker 1: He looked like and that's gonna be fun to see.

633
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Speaker 1: And it affects the guys around you too. It's it's

634
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Speaker 1: going to be a different atmosphere in there. You think

635
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: kyer Elim didn't know what he was like before that,

636
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: you know, Christian Benford hadn't seen Tredevious White when he

637
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: was the lead dog. You know, just it's a different

638
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: It helps when your top guys act and feel and

639
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: play and are the top guy. It's it's it helps

640
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: everybody in the whole room. And those young players are

641
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: gonna get a chance to see him at his best

642
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: now instead of recovering.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the phones though, at eight oh three

644
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: five point fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two,

645
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: five fifty the number to get on board. Got open

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Speaker 2: lines for you there for you to tell us what

647
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: you expect to be the biggest difference in training camp

648
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 2: this summer in Saint John Fisher. Leading us off today

649
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: is Leslie in Buffalo. What do you got first, Leslie?

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Speaker 6: How you doing? Chris Good? Hey, hey, listen, I I

651
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Speaker 6: call all the time. I was talking about Gless Campbell,

652
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Speaker 6: but now I'm thinking about Chris Jones. Is it a

653
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Speaker 6: way we can bolster up our defense with Chris Jones?

654
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Speaker 2: I don't know that his money's gonna fit no now

655
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Speaker 2: with our salary.

656
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a great player. Every team in the league

657
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Speaker 1: would love to have him on their roster if they

658
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Speaker 1: could fit him. But the Chiefs probably a won't make

659
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Speaker 1: him available because he's under contract. He got no question,

660
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Speaker 1: no choice but to show up and hold in. And two,

661
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Speaker 1: they don't want to trade him. They're already paying him

662
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Speaker 1: twenty million a year. There's no way the Bills are

663
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Speaker 1: going to pay him that or more that he's asking for.

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Speaker 1: And three, even if the Chiefs want to trade him,

665
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Speaker 1: the last team in the world they're gonna trade him

666
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Speaker 1: to are the Buffalo Bills under any circumstances. So it's

667
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Speaker 1: fun to think about.

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Speaker 2: But no, yeah, I don't with limited cap space, I

669
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Speaker 2: don't see any way that they can make that happen.

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Speaker 2: Not to mention the fact that they just signed Ed

671
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Speaker 2: Oliver to a contract extension. They're not paying him Chris

672
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Speaker 2: Jones money, but they can't take on a contract of

673
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Speaker 2: that and the Chiefs there's just no way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And the Chiefs are not going to make

675
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Speaker 1: a trade at Oliver straight across for Chris Jones, you

676
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. So the Bills would gain ten million,

677
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Speaker 1: lose whatever. Because Chris Jones ain't playing for the contract

678
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Speaker 1: he's got, you got to resign him to a new

679
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Speaker 1: deal worth purported thirty million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what what do you think? Is going to

681
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Speaker 2: be the biggest difference at training camp this summer that

682
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Speaker 2: maybe you're looking forward to.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything that I have one other thing that

684
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Speaker 1: I think offensively, the difference is going to be. I

685
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Speaker 1: think we'll see more personnel combinations and experimentation. Offensively, I

686
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Speaker 1: think we'll see a lot of creative stuff.

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Speaker 2: That was my That was second on my list, just

688
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Speaker 2: the usage of Dalton Kincaid and how that's going to

689
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Speaker 2: impact things. Yeah, that's going to make this offense a

690
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Speaker 2: little bit different from personnel grouping perspective.

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Speaker 1: It's been a while, and it's not just you can't

692
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Speaker 1: just draft a running back and have that change things

693
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Speaker 1: the way an extra tight end does. Because a running

694
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Speaker 1: back you just take one out and put one on

695
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Speaker 1: and it's the same formations and okay, you can put

696
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Speaker 1: him different places than you can the other guy, but

697
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Speaker 1: it's the same people around him. You get an extra

698
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Speaker 1: tight end, and ostensibly that's what you've got if you

699
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Speaker 1: want to play Dalton Kincaid. You're not at this point.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna pull Dawson Knox off the field and

701
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Speaker 1: put Dalton Kinkaid in for him. So that means two

702
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Speaker 1: tight ends. So somebody has to sit down. Who's that

703
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: gonna be? That's the question, and that and who who

704
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: that is and who it's not is gonna tell you

705
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Speaker 1: a lot about where they're headed. And I think they're

706
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Speaker 1: going to have to. I don't think they know yet,

707
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Speaker 1: but I think they're gonna play out. They're gonna have

708
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Speaker 1: these little test tubes. They're gonna pour one test tube

709
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Speaker 1: into the other and see how that looks. They're gonna

710
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Speaker 1: take that test tube and pour it into a third

711
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Speaker 1: and see how those guys. You know, they're gonna it's

712
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: a chemistry test experiment, a chemistry experiment, and they'll see

713
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Speaker 1: And that's what's gonna be fun.

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Speaker 2: Training camp will be the lab. Yeah, I I'm excited

715
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Speaker 2: to see it. I think things that are going to

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Speaker 2: look different. What's that?

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Speaker 1: What is your thing? Aside from the personnel groupings, No,

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Speaker 1: that it was.

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Speaker 2: It was the usage of Dalton d in this camp

720
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Speaker 2: because they had a more than capable tight end in

721
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Speaker 2: Dawson Knox. Now they have two, and I think it

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Speaker 2: is going It kind of runs parallel to what you

723
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Speaker 2: were just saying. It's going to change the look of

724
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Speaker 2: this offense. Not we're not talking wholesale changes, but there

725
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: are going to be noticeable tweaks to the way this

726
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: offense is run, the personnel groupings they choose to make

727
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Speaker 2: use of more chiefly twelve in that regard. So yeah,

728
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Speaker 2: I think that's going to be something that looks very

729
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Speaker 2: different going forward. So I'm excited to see it.

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Speaker 1: Quite frankly, Yeah, I'm that's one of the things I'm

731
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Speaker 1: going to be watching you and I spend a lot

732
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Speaker 1: of time standing over there watching these guys, and you know,

733
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Speaker 1: I would like to think we don't look at it

734
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Speaker 1: just like most fans do. I'm looking back there. Who's in,

735
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Speaker 1: who's out? And who's in and who's out is also

736
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Speaker 1: is the other antithesis of that, who's not in?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And why are they not in? You know, like if

739
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: and what does it mean? Right? The fact that this

740
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: guy's in and that guy's not means this guy's first

741
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Speaker 1: in or are they just running the twoes today? You

742
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Speaker 1: kind of decipher that who's in and who's out is important,

743
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Speaker 1: but also why and who they're in with?

744
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Speaker 2: Right?

745
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Speaker 1: So it's it's it. It's a vast combination of things

746
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: that go on in training camp and only and the

747
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: coaches I mean, I don't know if they lay it

748
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: out in a grid where they Okay, this guy's taking

749
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: reps with this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy,

750
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: and they go, now he needs to take grips with

751
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: this guy, that guy, that guy, and that guy. Yeah,

752
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of that going on, particularly on

753
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Speaker 1: the offensive and defensive lines. When you talk about offensive

754
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: skill players, now it's it's even different than that.

755
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Speaker 2: Let's let's take this personnel whose is this a step further.

756
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: I know we haven't even gotten a training camp, but

757
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: I'm already going to talk to you about roster numbers

758
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: here with an increased use of twelve personnel. And I'm

759
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: not saying it's going to be the staple of their offense,

760
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Speaker 2: but I think we can all safely assume they're going

761
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Speaker 2: to be in that personnel grouping more than they were

762
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Speaker 2: last year when they were at the bottom of the

763
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Speaker 2: league at about three point six percent of their snaps.

764
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Speaker 2: Knowing that, how much does that necessitate carrying more than

765
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Speaker 2: three tight ends on your roster. I almost feel like

766
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: there's got to be a backup for Dawson, and there's

767
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 2: got to be a backup for Kincaid. So I don't

768
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Speaker 2: want to say it's a lock, but it seems like

769
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Speaker 2: a very very strong likelihood. They're carrying four tight ends

770
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Speaker 2: on the active roster. I mean, would you carry one

771
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 2: on the practice squad and protect them every week? Sure,

772
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: sure you could do that.

773
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Speaker 1: Or you're using Reggie Gilliam as a tight end instead

774
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Speaker 1: of an h back.

775
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Speaker 2: But if you're if your personnel groupings are making use

776
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Speaker 2: of twelve personnel to that extent. And I'm not saying

777
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Speaker 2: Regie Gilliam can't line up at tight end, but is

778
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 2: he the ideal answer in the event that kin Kid

779
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,479
Speaker 2: well he's or Knox can't go in a given week.

780
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: You have Quintin Morris, you know who I think we're

781
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: familiar enough with to know what he can and cannot do,

782
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: you know, and then you have some young, unproven players

783
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: behind them. It's an interesting question to ask. Yeah, I

784
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 2: don't know how, and we're a long way off from

785
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: those decisions, but yeah, you're right with what we're anticipating.

786
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Speaker 2: I think it's it's gonna be a big part of

787
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Speaker 2: the roster, the fifty three man roster conversation going forward.

788
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Speaker 1: Very much so, very much so. And that's why you know,

789
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: we got to wait and see because you and I

790
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: are you know, even though we're sitting in the building,

791
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: we talk about this team all the time, and you know,

792
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 1: we have conversations with football people. We're a million miles

793
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: away from it, just like the fans are.

794
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 7: We don't.

795
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Speaker 1: I don't sit in on those meeting We don't sit

796
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: in on those meetings to talk to those guys. So

797
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: you kind of have to look and discern and by

798
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: the process of deduction, like you did last year with

799
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Speaker 1: Christian Benford, I poop pooed you for a week thinking

800
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Speaker 1: they ain't no way, that's six round draft picks can

801
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the guy's starting on opening

802
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: day ahead of the guy. So you just got to

803
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: watch and you got and like even like us, we're

804
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: there almost we're there eighty percent of the practice, maybe

805
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the practice during training camp. I

806
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: don't go on Saturdays and Sundays when we don't have

807
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: the show, but they'll have like two of those. But

808
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: man oh man, you gotta watch close and write the

809
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: stuff down and take notes and to keep track of

810
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: what's going on. It's because it's complicated when they start

811
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: mixing and matching, particularly when they don't have They want

812
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: to do the best. They want to be flexible enough

813
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: to do it whatever's best. They don't care if if

814
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: Steph Diggs is the only wide receiver on the field,

815
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: if that's their best matchup, but they got to find

816
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: out if it can be, so they got to try it.

817
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: You know all of that. It's just takes forever, and

818
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: that's why train they go. They need they need it,

819
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: they need training camp, they need OTAs, they need all

820
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: this stuff.

821
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Speaker 2: Break time for us here, but more of your phone

822
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Speaker 2: calls when we return. What do you expect to be

823
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: the biggest difference at training camp this summer. Could be

824
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 2: player related, could be side of the ball related, could

825
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: be something off the field, something with your personal experience

826
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Speaker 2: at training camp. You let us know at eight h

827
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Speaker 2: three zero five fifty one eighty eight five point fifty

828
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Speaker 2: two five fifty phone lines open for you. We'll see

829
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Speaker 2: in a few Mark your calendars because Kid's Day is back.

830
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Speaker 2: On Saturday, August twelfth, the Buffalo Bills will welcome the

831
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Speaker 2: Indianapolis Colts for their lone home preseason matchup at one pm.

832
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Speaker 2: Kid's Day, presented by Fisher Price, is the perfect time

833
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: to enjoy Bill's game with the whole family, starting at

834
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: nine am in the bus and limo a lot at

835
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Speaker 2: high Mark Stadium. The festivities kickoff with a junior tailgate

836
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Speaker 2: starting at nine which will have games, activity and giveaways

837
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Speaker 2: along with the dance party hosted by DJ Milk.

838
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Speaker 1: Check it out.

839
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Speaker 2: Should be a hoot to bring the whole family for

840
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: that experience. Topic of the day here, what do you

841
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 2: expect to be the biggest difference at Bill's training camp

842
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: this summer? Taking your calls at eight O threeh five

843
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: fifty open line.

844
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Speaker 1: For you there.

845
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Speaker 2: But we lead off with Butcher on the east side.

846
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Speaker 2: Let me pull him up here.

847
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Speaker 5: What do you have for us?

848
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Speaker 2: Butcher on one? Bill's Live? Butcher you there, all right?

849
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put him on hold because I can't hear

850
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: him if he's talking. We'll go to Keith in Williamsville.

851
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: What do you got for his?

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00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: Keith?

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00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 7: Hey Brownie, Hey Steve, thanks for taking my car. I

854
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 7: love the show. I listen to your podcast every day

855
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 7: where I live down in Florida usually. But I think

856
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 7: the biggest thing that is going to be working in

857
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 7: favor of the Bills for spring or excuse me for

858
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 7: training camp is that nobody was paying attention to us

859
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 7: in the national media. I know this is low hanging

860
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 7: fruit because you guys have been talking about this on

861
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 7: the show for a while now, but everybody's all hyped

862
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 7: up on all of the morning shows, on Aaron Rodgers

863
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 7: with the Jets, it seems like everybody's looking everywhere else

864
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 7: for Super Bowl contenders, and considering this year, we are

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Speaker 7: not the odds on favorite. I think that's exactly the

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Speaker 7: way McDermott wants it. I think we got a ton

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Speaker 7: of new offensive weapons, like you were saying earlier, for

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Speaker 7: us to switch up looks. I think we got our

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Speaker 7: strong defense back, and I think we're going to be

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Speaker 7: a problem. I'll hang up and listen to your thoughts.

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Speaker 7: Thanks guys, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, thanks for the call, Keith. I don't think there's

873
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 2: any doubt about that. That will be a very different

874
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Speaker 2: thing at training camp this year. Last year it was like,

875
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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, we got von Miller, We're going right,

876
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,959
Speaker 2: and everybody else said the same thing in the national media.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, if they just stayed healthy, they might not

878
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: have been able to stop them. But you know, it's

879
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: hard to do for seventeen weeks. You're right, that is

880
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: a big difference. That is a striking difference from where

881
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: they were a year ago. The expectations for the national

882
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: media perspective has vanished because of what's going on in

883
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Speaker 1: Miami and what's going on in New York and the

884
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 1: fact that they they got beat by a Cincinnati team

885
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,479
Speaker 1: that's perceived to be really good and on the rise,

886
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs are the Chiefs, you know, they are

887
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: the super Bowl champions. So there's all these teams, at

888
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: least four of them right there, that are getting thrown

889
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: ahead of the Bills because I think the Bills, you know,

890
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 1: in the hot take industry we live in, the Bills

891
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: aren't fun anymore. So they just throw them to the side.

892
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: Forget about the roster that they've had and the improvements

893
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Speaker 1: they've made. So I get it, but that's exactly where

894
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: a lot of Bills fans feel most comfortable.

895
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Speaker 2: Yeah. The other team that's kind of been way under

896
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: the radar and not mentioned on the tip of every

897
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: national media outlet's tongue is the Baltimore Ravens. I mean,

898
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: that's a team that made the playoffs last year without

899
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: their start quarterback playing like six games, still made the

900
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 2: playoffs and gave Cincinnati all they could handle with only

901
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: a fumble at the goal line, representing the difference in

902
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: the football game. Now you got Lamar back, you got

903
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 2: a new OC. They've revamped everything.

904
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Speaker 1: They're kind of all Beckham Junior.

905
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 2: They're a sneaky team. Yeah, they're under the radar with

906
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: the Bills.

907
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Speaker 1: They've probably their fans are as excited about their training

908
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: camp as any fans in the country because they think,

909
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: just like the Bills, fans think they're a lot better

910
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: than people are giving them credit for. And they've got

911
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: a lot of faith in Lamar and they should. I mean,

912
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: the guy's an MVP, and now they're going to let

913
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: him drop back and throw it a little bit more

914
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Speaker 1: like an NFL offense. And in this point of his career,

915
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Speaker 1: you would think he should be ready to do that.

916
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Speaker 1: And he's got a good he's got a live arm,

917
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Speaker 1: no question about it. We'll see. There's certainly it's going

918
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Speaker 1: to be hard to make excuses for him if it

919
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Speaker 1: doesn't go well.

920
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be very interesting to see some of

921
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Speaker 2: these seasons unfold for some of these respective teams. The

922
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Speaker 2: overhyped ones and the ones that are sitting in the weeds,

923
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Speaker 2: you know, weighting a pounce and I would put the

924
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Speaker 2: Bills in the Ravens in the weight in a pounds

925
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 2: category because of the lack of attention they're getting, you know,

926
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Speaker 2: from media primarily outside of their you know, daily media

927
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Speaker 2: that covers them on a regular basis. We have to

928
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Speaker 2: step aside and take a break.

929
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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 2: Got some special guests coming up when we return. One

931
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Speaker 2: of them you know very well. It's Dion Dawkins. The

932
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Speaker 2: other one is a super yacht captain from the Bravos

933
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Speaker 2: show below Deck, Captain Sandy Yawn. Are you kidding me?

934
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Speaker 2: Sandy on Dion Dawkins here together? Coming up next in

935
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Speaker 2: hour number two on One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: This is Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome to our number two Chris Brown, Steve

939
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Speaker 2: Tasker with you. As we said, a couple of days

940
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Speaker 2: away from training camp practice Numero Runo on Wednesday out

941
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Speaker 2: at Saint John Fisher. We will be there covering the

942
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 2: practice and then popping on the air as we do

943
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Speaker 2: from one to three and there is some other NFL

944
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: news that just came down. ESPN's Adam Schefter reporting another

945
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Speaker 2: Chiefs note. We already know Chris Jones is unhappy with

946
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: his contract negotiations on an extension. Chiefs wide receiver Kadarius Tony,

947
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: who underwent an off season cleanup procedure on his knee,

948
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Speaker 2: apparently aggravated the injury on Sunday while fielding a punt

949
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Speaker 2: and is expected to miss some time during training camp,

950
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Speaker 2: should be ready for the start of the regular season.

951
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: So probably a very good chance we do not see

952
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 2: Kadarius Tony for the entire preseason slate. I mean, that's

953
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: the guy they're expecting to be their number one receiver

954
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 2: this year.

955
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeah he was.

956
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: I mean, Travis Kelsey is their number one target. But

957
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying at the receiver position.

958
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna be missed because that guy that was

959
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: that was the guy who's going to elevate to the spot.

960
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: I will say this A lot of the reason why

961
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 2: he fell out of favor in New York with the

962
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: Giants injuries because the word is he's not big on

963
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: preventative maintenance, doesn't take care of himself. That's the word

964
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 2: out of New York from some Giants reporters that I've

965
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 2: spoken with. So is that holding true here again? Or yeah,

966
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: this guy just doesn't love practice.

967
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: Just I don't know how, Yes, right, he's a malingerer.

968
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: They just kind of they I don't know, I'm just there.

969
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: They get into a spot, they and they just want to,

970
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, hang out and escape. Yeah. They don't want this.

971
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Speaker 1: They don't want the stress of being dependent on. They

972
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: just want to be paid. I get it. Maybe he's

973
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: a guy like that. I don't know. Certainly, there's obviously

974
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Speaker 1: there's some stuff flying around about him in the in

975
00:51:55,600 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: the gossip circles around water coolers in the NFL. And

976
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: here we are fielding a punt in practice. Yeah, and

977
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: he hurt his knee.

978
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 2: He aggravated the one. He had a clean up procedure up.

979
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, seriously, he's gonna be fine for the

980
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 2: regular season, they already know this. But he's gonna miss

981
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: the entire preseason. I mean, I'm sorry. It just it

982
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 2: smells a little fishy. It smells like it smells like

983
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: a two weeks off, three weeks off, smells like three

984
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: day old fish, is what it smells.

985
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: Like that.

986
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: Whatever.

987
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: Maybe that's neither here. Now we're a million miles away,

988
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: we can't tell, but yes, yeah, but that's a lens

989
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: to speculation. That's why the guy you know. It's stuff

990
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: like this that gets the guy you know from from

991
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: New York to Kansas City. Yep, that's where it is.

992
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 5: Uh.

993
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: For those that were asking on Twitter, what happens with

994
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: Naheim Hines? Because it was not a football injury, I

995
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 2: would expect him to go on the non football injury

996
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 2: list and then salary and that stuff. I know ir

997
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 2: gets picked up by insurance because that's a football injury.

998
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: I don't believe that's the case with non football injury.

999
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: So we'll have to see how that is handled. I'm

1000
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: not going to pretend to know all the ins and

1001
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 2: outs of that, but I would anticipate a designation of

1002
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 2: non football injury list for Nahim Hines based on the

1003
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: reported injury that he suffered while sitting atop a jet

1004
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 2: ski and being run into by another jet skier. Just

1005
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: some unfortunate news that we brought to you at the

1006
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Speaker 2: top of the show today. So unfortunate for sure, and

1007
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: naturally we're all wishing him the best, but NFL Networks,

1008
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 2: Tom Pellasera was the latest to report that it is

1009
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 2: in fact an acl knee injury and he will undergo

1010
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: surgery that according to the NFL Networks, Tom pellasero no

1011
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 2: confirmation of any of this from the Bill, so we'll

1012
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: just wait and see if and when confirmation does take place.

1013
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: Because there are also reports out there that the Bills

1014
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 2: were working out a handful of running backs today, most

1015
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 2: notable among them Darrynton Evans, former third round pick of

1016
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 2: the Tennessee Titans in twenty twenty. So we'll see what

1017
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 2: comes of it in the coming days. I am sure,

1018
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 2: probably almost certainly by Wednesday, when head coach Sean McDermott

1019
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 2: is first scheduled to address the media in the nine

1020
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 2: o'clock hour on that day. So that's probably the latest

1021
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 2: we'll hear about this going forward, and unfortunate for sure,

1022
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 2: but fortunate it's not the first time and it probably

1023
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 2: won't be the last, sadly for the Bills or any

1024
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:46,959
Speaker 2: other team for that matter.

1025
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, and this is you hear about guys pretty

1026
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: regularly who injure themselves training and you can imagine you're

1027
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: nahiem Heims. You got everybody's going out and say, you

1028
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: know what, let's go play, like, let's go play one

1029
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: last round of golf before you know we got Let's

1030
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: go let's go out to the lake one last time.

1031
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: Let's go to the swimming pool one last time. Let's

1032
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, even let's squat to dinner one last time

1033
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 1: with your wife or whatever, and you know, you step

1034
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: off the curb at the restaurant.

1035
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, you know, I remember a couple of

1036
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: years ago when John Feliciana was on this roster. It's

1037
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 2: five days before camp opens and he tears his peck

1038
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,439
Speaker 2: bench press of that, I remember that, and he missed

1039
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: the first six games, yeah, or four games. Unfortunately it

1040
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 2: happens all too often, but guys are ramping up for

1041
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: the season now. This was completely non football related, just

1042
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 2: a freak accident. Terrible, absolutely terrible. You feel for the guy.

1043
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: So we'll provide more news as it comes from the

1044
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 2: team in the coming days on that situation, and you

1045
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 2: know what his official designation is, but we anticipate it

1046
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 2: will be non football injury. And then whether or not

1047
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 2: they addressed the roster spot in short order or take

1048
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: their time, that all remains to be seen. Question on

1049
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 2: the docket for you today was what do you expect

1050
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 2: to be the biggest difference at training camp this summer?

1051
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 2: And we want to crack open the tweet sheet here

1052
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: brought to you by Corgan Moving Systems, the official equipment

1053
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: moving company of the Buffalo Bills, and we begin with Jack,

1054
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 2: who says, I expect a more aggressive defense and more

1055
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: twelve personnel on offense. I'm hoping McDermott as the d

1056
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 2: get after it and provide far more pressure and hopefully

1057
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 2: they look even more comfortable and confident in dorsey system

1058
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 2: for year two. I hope he reinserts more play action

1059
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 2: and motion in the attack. Play action was something that

1060
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: was one of the biggest differences in year one under

1061
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: Dorsey in comparison to what we had seen under Dable.

1062
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if we see that reinserted into

1063
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 2: the offensive scheme to what degree I don't know, but

1064
00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 2: certainly more of it.

1065
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's interesting too, because there's always reasons why it

1066
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: goes away too, and the reasons it goes away may

1067
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: not be known to us. It might be that Josh

1068
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: doesn't like it, and it could be that simple, or

1069
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: it could be that because of the running backs or

1070
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: the new running back room that they've got, they like

1071
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: it better. It could be something like that. We never know,

1072
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: but when things change like they did, there's probably good

1073
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: reason for it, and there's reasons that aren't known to us.

1074
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: But if it starts up again, we might be able

1075
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: to discern what's changed and why. Yeah, I mean I

1076
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: get it. I think there's a lot of things a

1077
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: lot of people want to see, but that you know,

1078
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: this offense was humming last year and scoring a lot

1079
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: of points, so I'm not sure they're going to tinker

1080
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: too much with it. The only to me, it's still

1081
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: all about the people that are in the offense. They

1082
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: only have three guys from the wide receiver room that

1083
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: are still on the roster from last year, and they

1084
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: got a brand new first round tight end, so they

1085
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: got a lot of new faces that look to really

1086
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: contribute in big ways, plus James Cook emerging, you know, being.

1087
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 2: Able to as the difference I would expect this year.

1088
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, now there's like one guy left from that room

1089
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: because now Naheim Heines isn't there. You got one guy

1090
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: from the running back room from last year. You got

1091
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: three guys from the wide receiver room last year, when

1092
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: usually there should be like eight returning guys or non

1093
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: at the skill positions. So who knows what's going to

1094
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: be different. All those guys are gonna be different, that's

1095
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: for sure.

1096
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 2: David on the tweet, she takes a completely different angle

1097
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 2: at what might be different at training camp this summer

1098
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: for the Bills. He says, more turkey burger eating competition.

1099
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 2: As we know. Josh Allen a huge fan of the

1100
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: turkey burgers at Saint John Fisher. He mentioned them specifically

1101
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 2: in a press conference last year. The most about camp

1102
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: turkey burgers rolled off the tongue. Yeah, And I remember

1103
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 2: we were trying to get to the bottom of what

1104
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 2: the secret of the turkey burgers were and why they

1105
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 2: were so completely delicious, And I'm trying to remember what

1106
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 2: what did we uncover? I think we uncovered that they were.

1107
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: I can't remember if they they put butter on the

1108
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 2: grill before they throw it on the throw the patty

1109
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 2: out there, or what it was. I don't know, but man,

1110
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: they are good.

1111
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: Who knows?

1112
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,919
Speaker 2: They are still underrated at this point.

1113
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: I believe that when you're going to training camp, you

1114
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: look first, and let me tell you Turkey burgers are

1115
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: a small thing. You're looking for all the little things

1116
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: that don't stink about training camp.

1117
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 2: We eat like kings out there.

1118
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: Yes it's dangerous, well you and yeah, we eat like

1119
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: kings out there. But these guys eat like kings all

1120
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: the time. Well, they don't go a meal without putting

1121
00:59:58,120 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: a crown on bro sleeve.

1122
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 2: But the friends between you and I and them is

1123
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 2: they're burning about fifteen to eighteen hundred of those calories

1124
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 2: a day.

1125
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: Those guys, Yes, we're lucky if we get to five hundred, right,

1126
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, how how many paladies?

1127
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 2: He's loosen it up.

1128
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: He's getting ready, Yeah for the buffet. Look at him.

1129
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:18,479
Speaker 2: I can't wait.

1130
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: They those guys, he's good. They yeah. But that's that's

1131
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: what it is. I mean, turkey burgers. Come on. Yeah,

1132
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: training camp stinks. There's just no two ways about it.

1133
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,919
Speaker 1: And all the positive and fun stuff you hear about

1134
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: coming out of it is just trying to make lemonade.

1135
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 2: Well that is true. Yes, I wouldn't debate that for

1136
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:39,479
Speaker 2: a second.

1137
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: Trying to make Yeah, so who knows?

1138
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 2: Meg on the tweet sheet says, focusing on Cook's potential

1139
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 2: with the improved O line play. I think there there

1140
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 2: are high expectations for this offensive line to take a

1141
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 2: noticeable step forward, not only in their past protection, but

1142
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 2: in their run blocking scheme as well, particularly between the tackles.

1143
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 2: With the investment they made at the guard position this offseason,

1144
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of a proven veteran signing, a

1145
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 2: highly sought after free agent signing, and a high draft choice.

1146
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 2: And I'm talking about David Edwards, Connor McGovern and Osiris Torrance.

1147
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 2: I mean, those are three big bodies with a whole

1148
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 2: lot of talent packed into them that have been added

1149
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 2: to this roster to play and line up on the interior.

1150
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 2: How much better does it make him? Yeah, that is

1151
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 2: something that's going to look different this year, along with

1152
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 2: the aforementioned James Cook, who in year two could secure

1153
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 2: the feature back roll sooner rather than later in this offense.

1154
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm also really interested to see the amount of work

1155
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: that Vaughn gets von Miller. He's really working hard to

1156
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: get back, and I think a guy like him who

1157
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 1: kind of likes to set the standard for the whole club,

1158
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: he's going to attempt to do that.

1159
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 2: Now.

1160
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: Certainly you don't want him coming back too early and

1161
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: all that, but his presence and how much he can

1162
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:11,919
Speaker 1: do and how close he is will be fun to watch.

1163
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: And I'm like everybody else, I hope he comes back

1164
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: when he's one hundred percent and can go one hundred

1165
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: percent and it's just like he always has been. And

1166
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: when that happens, I'm excited to see the light switch

1167
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: go off for the entire defense when he does so.

1168
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: I think it could happen.

1169
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 2: Wow, the light switch going off.

1170
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: Going on turned on. I did say off, but I

1171
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: went on, you know what I mean for the entire offense.

1172
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: You mean nothing when Vaughn comes When when Vaughn comes

1173
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: back and starts playing one hundred percent, he's like his

1174
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: old self. And you've got Leonard Floyd, You've got Rousseau,

1175
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: You've got all the whoever's out there with him. I

1176
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: just I think that with the added presence of Floyd

1177
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: or Lynn Floyd and Vonka, I just think they were

1178
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: really really good last year when he was in there.

1179
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: And if he comes back with the added bonus of

1180
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: the guys they've got down inside of punt Afford and

1181
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: these guys, oh my gosh, I'm really excited about that.

1182
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about that.

1183
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 2: Let's get back to she'd see what else you've got

1184
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 2: for us there? And we have. Let's see here, who

1185
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 2: are we up to?

1186
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 6: Now?

1187
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 2: We're up to Connor who says the weight of the

1188
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 2: world will not be on Buffalo. That's what's different. Last season,

1189
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 2: heading into training camp, Buffalo is determined to be the

1190
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 2: super Bowl favorite. This year, they are sliding under the

1191
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 2: radar in the national media and the NFL. I think

1192
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 2: this will allow the Bills to start off the season loose.

1193
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 2: What kind of value do you see in that? When

1194
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 2: you're not the team being talked about all that much.

1195
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: It's a little bit easier to dredge up the feelings of,

1196
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: you know, like you're being disrespected, which is always a

1197
01:03:55,720 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: huge motivating factor for guys, you know, and because you know,

1198
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: they all know how much work and how much sacrifice

1199
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: they put into getting to this point and then to

1200
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: have somebody pooh poo it by not noticing it or

1201
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: whatever whatever you can conjure up as to what the

1202
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: disrespect is, it's a big motivating factor. We heard kind

1203
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: of some of it this morning in the in the

1204
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: staff meeting, But yeah, by the same token, I don't know.

1205
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: I just certainly the media is going on to you know,

1206
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: the next hot thing, which is like Miami and New

1207
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: York and certainly Aaron Rodgers and all that stuff. But

1208
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: starting off the season loose, as you know your last

1209
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: line there from Connor, this team, notoriously under Sean McDermott

1210
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: has exploded out of the blocks.

1211
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say the Pittsburgh game is one of

1212
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 2: the lone exceptions from a couple of years ago.

1213
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: That's right. Even so they ended up they were four

1214
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: and one or five and one. So they they have

1215
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: played the first five six weeks of the season at

1216
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: a scorching rate under Sean McDermott. So they come out

1217
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: they come out hot almost you know, all the time.

1218
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: So I mean last year, you look at it, they

1219
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: come out and they're six and one after seven, and

1220
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: you go back to twenty twenty one, they were four

1221
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: and one coming out of it and five and two

1222
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: if you want to go further, they come out of

1223
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: twenty Remember in twenty twenty they exploded out. They went

1224
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: out four to zero in the first month. Even in

1225
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen they were five and one coming out of

1226
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: the gate, and then twenty eighteen McDermott's second year. I

1227
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: guess that's the one where they struggle, where they came out,

1228
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: where it was Josh's rookie season and they came out

1229
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: and they were two and three. They were two and three.

1230
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: But from nineteen twenty, twenty one and twenty two they

1231
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: are out of the gate.

1232
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 2: One of only two teams since twenty nineteen with three

1233
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 2: four to ten win seasons. Chief said, the only other one. Yeah,

1234
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 2: only other team in the league. So take that for

1235
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 2: what it's worth. Tweet sheet. Van's dad chimes in when

1236
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 2: asked what do you expect to be the biggest difference

1237
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 2: in training camp this summer and says intensity on defense.

1238
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure how to take that. That's gonna

1239
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 2: you didn't think the defense was intense last year?

1240
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1241
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny we've been talking about all this

1242
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: stuff that's going to be different. Nobody's even mentioned middle linebacker.

1243
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: No specifically.

1244
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 2: We mentioned it in our latest podcast episode, Builds by

1245
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 2: the Numbers. It's one of our four top position battles

1246
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 2: going into training camp, which you can get on any

1247
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 2: of your podcast platforms. By the way, Yeah, there hasn't

1248
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 2: been a lot of discussion on that. The only discussion

1249
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 2: I've seen is nationally, how are the Bills going to

1250
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: replace Tremaine Edmonds at middle linebacker? That's how it's been

1251
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 2: largely presented in that vein, if you will, so I

1252
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 2: get it. You don't outside of aj Klein, a veteran player,

1253
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 2: you don't have a quote unquote proven defensive starting caliber

1254
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 2: middle linebacker to replace him. But you know, I am

1255
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 2: pretty much the campaign director for this team's player development program,

1256
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 2: and they have young players that they believe are ready.

1257
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 2: One of them will be ready to ascend into that

1258
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 2: starting role, whether it's Terrell Bernard, Baylen spector Tyrell Dodson,

1259
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 2: Dorian Williams, whoever they believe the right guy is. They're

1260
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 2: comfortable with that quartead of candidates and picking one from

1261
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 2: that lot to run not only start at that position,

1262
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 2: but run their defense.

1263
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not just a spot where you line a

1264
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: guy up and play plug him in. This is the

1265
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna probably have the green dot, which means

1266
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: on his helmet, on the back of his helme, which

1267
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: means the coaching staff is gonna tell him what to

1268
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: tell every other guy on the defense every single play.

1269
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: And they also want and I'll say this too, most

1270
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: coaching staffs and defensive coordinators. Sean McDermott included, they want

1271
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: a middle linebacker who when it gets to be third

1272
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: and long, isn't standing beside them on the sideline. You

1273
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: gotta take them out because you got to put somebody

1274
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 1: else in. Now. I can see it in certain weird

1275
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: situations like prevent defense or whatever, having but they want

1276
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 1: their leader of the defense on the field all situation.

1277
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: In all situations, yeah, fourth and short, third and long, second, long, first,

1278
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: into all of it, every single defensive play. They want

1279
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: a guy who is able to go in there and lead.

1280
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: You can't lead standing on the sidelines as a player,

1281
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: So to me, that would be something they're looking for

1282
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: in one of these guys too. Dodson's Bernard Wilson, all

1283
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: these guys, all these guys, so it's all on the

1284
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: table for all of them. And I think that as

1285
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 1: much as anything, having a guy who's athletically capable of

1286
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: playing coverage first, I think probably first, rather than being

1287
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: a run stuff.

1288
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 2: Well, they said they want to match up linebacker and

1289
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 2: that would indicate coverage, so that's probably where it's headed.

1290
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: I think that's where everybody is. And I'm we've been

1291
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 1: talking about this so much. I don't know if we'm

1292
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Speaker 1: circling back here or now, but you think a little

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01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: bit like middle linebackers, a little bit where the running

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01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: back spot is in these days, it's in a transition.

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01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: You want a weapon back there, not so much A.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can, you can certainly live with a

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01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, a Saquon Barkley, but you really want like

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01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: a it's like an Alvin Kamara, Christian McCaffrey, right, Ladanian, Tomlinsman, Ladanian, Tomlinson.

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Speaker 1: Of course, one of those guys may catch sixty balls

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01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,560
Speaker 1: a year. Yeah, Marshall fault kind of guy. You know,

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Speaker 1: one of those guys that can split out and run

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01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: run routes. You need a weapon back there, and the

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01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: middle linebacker spot is a little bit like that to me.

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Speaker 1: In this point in history. You remember guys like Brian

1305
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 1: Irlacker and stuff like that, and Mike Singletary and all

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01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: those guys. But really the ones that you're that are

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01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: out there now are guys like Luke Keickley who could

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01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 1: run and cover. Keickley was a big, tall dude too,

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01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: like like Tremaine but you need a guy who can

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01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: run and cover space. And it's just a I think

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01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 1: it's a position, a position, and it's changing, and I

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01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 1: think it when you ever go that some teams like

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01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: Chicago point in case are a little more old school

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01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: than some of the new teams. The other teams, I

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01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: don't say new teams, but different teams. You know, they're

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01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: evolving faster, differently. So they got different requirements for that spot.

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01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: And now we got a new defensive coordinator, different defensive coordinator. Well,

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01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 1: they're gonna need different kind of guy.

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Speaker 2: We'll find out soon enough. Let's get back to the phones.

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Speaker 2: We go to Jack in cheek to wagan X, what

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01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 2: do you have for us?

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Speaker 8: Jack, Well, guys, a couple of times you've deviated off

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01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:18,520
Speaker 8: of the target discussion and you've alluded to the disrespect

1324
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 8: being shown the Bills by the national sports media.

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Speaker 5: The talking heads and so on picking you know, Miami,

1326
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 5: picking the Jets. And every day I sit and I

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01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 5: watch the ESPN trailer go through with the Vegas odds

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01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 5: to win the Super Bowl, and the Bills are number four,

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01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 5: second in of the AFC teams behind Kansas City. But

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01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 5: the Vegas wise, guys who aren't playing with fantasy football dollars.

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01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,560
Speaker 5: They like the bills. They're looking at him as I

1332
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 5: think nine to one and second favorite in the AFC.

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01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 5: So I think that the talking heads are selling a

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01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 5: lot of selling a lot of bizias on their shows.

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01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:07,640
Speaker 5: But I think when it comes down to realistic outlooks

1336
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 5: on who's a good team and who's got a good shot,

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01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 5: I think the wise guys maybe have an advantage over

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01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 5: some of those talking euts. And that's my statement, and

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01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 5: I'll let you guys talk about it.

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Speaker 2: I'll agree with you, Jack, and Steve, I know, agrees

1341
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 2: to you because he said it. This team has been

1342
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 2: good enough to win the whole thing the last three

1343
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 2: years in a row. They just haven't played well enough

1344
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 2: that in the games where it's winner, go home, and

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01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 2: that's the problem. And Steve will hold up the T

1346
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 2: shirt that even one of our listeners sent to us directly,

1347
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 2: and it basically reads, you need to play well on

1348
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 2: that day. It is the mantra not only of Steve Tasker,

1349
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 2: but of getting to and winning the Super Bowl. When

1350
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 2: you get there, you got to play your best. You

1351
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 2: got it because you're playing really good teams.

1352
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: Everybody's playing on an uptick when you get to that

1353
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: divisional round of the NFL playoffs, that you got eight

1354
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: teams that are really really good and playing well and

1355
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: are talented and are healthy and headed in into that

1356
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Now, once in a while you'll meet

1357
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: a team like the San Francisco forty nine ers who

1358
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: are down to you know, the an equipment guy playing quarterback,

1359
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: and you know that happens occasionally, but for the most part,

1360
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 1: everybody's clicking yeah, and you got to play well.

1361
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 2: Break time for us here because when we come back,

1362
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 2: we are going to be joined by Bill's offensive tackle

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01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 2: Dion Dawkins and a super yacht captain. This is a

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01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,839
Speaker 2: first on our show, Steve I will say that Captain

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01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 2: Sandy Yawn from Bravos below Deck Mediterranean going to be

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01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 2: joining us as well. They've got something to share with

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01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 2: us when we return here on One Bill's Live, presented

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Speaker 2: by Colida Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right back

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01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 2: here on One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with

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01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 2: you and joined in studio. This is a treat here.

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01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 2: Sandy are our first super yacht captain ever. But happy

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01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 2: to have Captain Sandy on from the Bravo series Below

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01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 2: Deck Mediterranean. And obviously the person to my right is

1374
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 2: somebody everybody knows. That's Dion Dawkins. You are resident left

1375
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,799
Speaker 2: tackle for the Buffalo Bills. But these two are teaming

1376
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 2: up now. I gotta say, if you gave me five guesses,

1377
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have had you too on a partnership Tea,

1378
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 2: but here it is. So why don't you lead us

1379
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 2: into this?

1380
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: Sandy?

1381
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 2: First of all, how this partnership got started between you two?

1382
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 3: You know, honestly, Scott Dancy, who the founder of Azuna Fresh,

1383
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:39,759
Speaker 3: brought us together in Fort Lauderdale. And it's a product

1384
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 3: that I love that we use on boats all the time,

1385
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 3: Tea tree oil. You know, it fights bacteria, mold, and mildew,

1386
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 3: and on boats we constantly use it because through the

1387
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 3: air conditioning we constantly get the mold. And when I

1388
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 3: met Dion, I.

1389
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: Was like, holy moly, he is massive.

1390
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and his calves I was like obsessed with because there's.

1391
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: You could use him as an anchor. Yes, yes, you're right.

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01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,839
Speaker 2: So Dione, what what kind of drew you to this product?

1393
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 2: Because I mean, Sandy's kind of outlined how it helps

1394
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:14,719
Speaker 2: her in the yachting industry, where you know you're dealing

1395
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 2: with damp conditions, lives in the locker room.

1396
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a good point for sure.

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01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 2: Is that kind of where this comes into play?

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01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 4: Definitely that, Uh, well, you know, Scott Scott is family

1399
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 4: to me. You know, I've known Scott for for all

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01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 4: of seven years. Ever since I got here, I've known Scott.

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01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 4: It's very weird, uh, but the locker room has drawn it.

1402
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 4: When it came about and the product, I was like, man,

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01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 4: what the.

1404
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:37,600
Speaker 1: Heck is this?

1405
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:39,799
Speaker 4: And then when you smell it, He's like, bro, look's

1406
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 4: put it in your locker. Tell me what you think.

1407
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 4: And when I put it in my locker, I said,

1408
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:45,759
Speaker 4: this is something different.

1409
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 1: You know.

1410
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 4: It gives that locker room in your area just that

1411
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 4: fresh smell. Like imagine going into like your like little

1412
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 4: cubby and it smells like a whole different place, and

1413
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,719
Speaker 4: then you can walk away and then now it smells

1414
01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 4: like the lockero you're getting your spot and it smells

1415
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 4: like after taking your cleat salt.

1416
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 5: Right.

1417
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was already telling Sandy before we even came

1418
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 2: back from break that this might be a solution for

1419
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 2: my son's college dorm, which could you some help as well?

1420
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 2: I mean my wife would be like, get some now,

1421
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 2: bring it home. But I got to say, just being

1422
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 2: in the yachting industry is kind of a fascinating thing

1423
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 2: to watch on the Bravo show that you guys have.

1424
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 2: My wife's a big fan. I've watched a ton of

1425
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 2: the episodes. And growing up on my grandfather's boat, which

1426
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 2: was not a yacht. It was like a sixteen foot

1427
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 2: motor boat, but you know, fishing and everything the training

1428
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 2: involved for a ship that size. How long do you

1429
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 2: have to train to be a super yacht?

1430
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 3: I wish it was as long as it takes to

1431
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,640
Speaker 3: train to play football. I think we would have a

1432
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 3: very different experience if that was the case. Honestly, what

1433
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 3: I love about Bravo is they've done a great thing

1434
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 3: for America. They put this show on television. It shows

1435
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 3: kids there are jobs in the maritime ministry as an

1436
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 3: alternative to college, and training's only one week. You can

1437
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 3: do in five days in a classroom STCW. You can

1438
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 3: get an entry level job on a yacht. You got

1439
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 3: to pass a physical and a drug test. Wow, and

1440
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,719
Speaker 3: you're at You're at work, so we knew.

1441
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 1: You were coming in, so I went I said, Okay,

1442
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 1: what am I getting into here?

1443
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 2: Because I didn't want to.

1444
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm watching the show and the thing that

1445
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 1: grabs me about this the yachts are spectacular, they're they're

1446
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 1: awesome and all that, but once you leave, you can't leave.

1447
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,640
Speaker 2: That's right, boat, I mean you with them, you have.

1448
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 1: To make it work no matter what. So you got

1449
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: to have that kind of mentality as a young person

1450
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 1: on the boat. Plus, unless you're you know, Captain Sandy,

1451
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 1: you got to do what you're told, right, I mean

1452
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:38,799
Speaker 1: you got to. So you have to have a mentality

1453
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: if they listen here, I'm gonna do my job. I

1454
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 1: gotta do this and I can't, Like Slack, I can't leave.

1455
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 1: So it's a different environment.

1456
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 3: Yes, but it's a lot like a football team when

1457
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 3: you think about it, and I always talk about this.

1458
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 3: We're a team, right, I'm the captain of the team,

1459
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 3: and where you need to have each other's back, right.

1460
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,799
Speaker 3: We're given a job description just like the football players.

1461
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 2: We follow that we do.

1462
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes you have to add lib right a

1463
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 3: lot of times, and but you just stay within those

1464
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 3: perimeters and it works. It works, and they learned so

1465
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 3: many social skills, right, how to live amongst others. You

1466
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 3: guys live together, right, you live together, you play together,

1467
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 3: when you train, it's the same. It's like taking a

1468
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 3: team from the field to the boat, right And Di,

1469
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 3: I like you.

1470
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:26,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've kind of taken in some of like

1471
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 2: Sandy's expertise, of course, not only with the products, since

1472
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 2: she's used it probably a little bit longer than you have.

1473
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 2: But is there do you see some similar parallels to

1474
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 2: successful football teams and successful crews at sea?

1475
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1476
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 4: I think one of the most important things that Sandy

1477
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:45,640
Speaker 4: said if I don't know, if you guys caught, is

1478
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 4: she said, with them you know. So I think that

1479
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 4: all goes into the portion of creating the crew, which

1480
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 4: goes to the portion of whoever's in charge of creating

1481
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 4: a football team, you know, because we can go on

1482
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 4: trips and we could all be a bunch of great players.

1483
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 4: But imagine if we hate each other, then then everything

1484
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 4: just goes to dirt. And I can't imagine being on

1485
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 4: a float in the water with maybe ten fifteen, I

1486
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 4: don't even know. Imagine like a small group of people

1487
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 4: that you have to then be on a more personal

1488
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 4: level with where you can't hide in the group of

1489
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 4: one hundred people that's traveling. So I think that that's

1490
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 4: where that similarity is. And for her as the captain

1491
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 4: and somebody in charge, she has to know how to

1492
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 4: coordinate and deal with every single person in the right manner.

1493
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 1: Where everybody has that then group love.

1494
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 4: And respect, because no matter what, you're stuck at sea,

1495
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 4: you can't turn that boat around. It's going to cost

1496
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 4: the ass and you just can't just turn around.

1497
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 2: Oh it's a lot like the adversity you guys had

1498
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 2: to deal with last year. You just got to keep

1499
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:48,799
Speaker 2: on trucking.

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01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 4: I gotta keep going, man.

1501
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 1: So I got one question, it's kind of the same

1502
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 1: question for both of you. Captain Sandy. When's your next

1503
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 1: When do you ship out next? How often do you go?

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01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: How long? You know what I mean? What's your schedule

1505
01:19:58,120 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: look like the next few months?

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01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 2: So we fel six.

1507
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:04,600
Speaker 3: Weeks a year and it's usually August September, you know,

1508
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 3: I honestly like you never know. It's a contract every year.

1509
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 3: So is your contract annual or.

1510
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 4: Is it like the So I'm blessed my last deal

1511
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 4: I've signed for four years.

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01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 2: That's great.

1513
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 4: I don't even know what year is coming up. I think,

1514
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 4: so I'm going into to your seven, so I have

1515
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,760
Speaker 4: one more after this. But you know how football goes

1516
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 4: like you could chop it up depending on how much

1517
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 4: a year is that you can read and negotiate and

1518
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 4: do whatever, you know, whatever the business side talks about annual.

1519
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 3: So basically we come up for another round if I'm

1520
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 3: on good behavior and society right because I'm on a

1521
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 3: TV show, so that's kind of worldwide. You need to

1522
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 3: not be in trouble do things that it's polarizing because

1523
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 3: they will cut you out of the show. But the

1524
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 3: reality is is like it's you know, yeah, I'll be back,

1525
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, I'll keep coming back

1526
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:54,679
Speaker 3: as long.

1527
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 1: As they'll have me.

1528
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 3: And what I really love is all the new casting

1529
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 3: the crew that come to be able to have that

1530
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 3: opportunity to teach them about something that they've never known

1531
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 3: wasn't an opportunity for them.

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01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 1: It's really cool.

1533
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,600
Speaker 2: I My wife would kill me if I didn't ask you.

1534
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 2: Because you are a published author, be the calm or

1535
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 2: be the storm Leadership lessons from a woman at the helm.

1536
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 2: What was the driving force behind you feeling the need

1537
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 2: to get that message out.

1538
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 1: The fans.

1539
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 2: They wanted it.

1540
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 3: They kept the words they used. I took their words

1541
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 3: and I put it in the book. And they said,

1542
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,600
Speaker 3: you're so calm in the middle of a storm. So

1543
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 3: many messages come in and I don't realize it, but

1544
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 3: they don't always see the storm, because trust me, I

1545
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 3: can be very stormy when need be. But yeah, it

1546
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 3: came from the fans.

1547
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So now okay, now the question about

1548
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 1: you and what's happening for you. Your annual contract coming up, Dion.

1549
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: You just got in town like an hour and a

1550
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 1: half ago. You're headed out tomorrow morning. Give us what's

1551
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 1: the next couple of days looking like for you?

1552
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 6: Man?

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01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 1: The next cup a couple of days is uh?

1554
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:57,759
Speaker 2: This football?

1555
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: Football?

1556
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 4: Football, It's no more off season off seasons. Com hours

1557
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 4: to completely done. I then will travel from my home

1558
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 4: here in East Aurora to Rochester. I'll take that hour

1559
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,600
Speaker 4: and a half drive and I would do that. But

1560
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 4: as far as the rest of the day, as you know,

1561
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 4: you have to chop for camp. So every year I

1562
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 4: grab a brand new blanket, a brand new down comforter,

1563
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 4: brand new pillows, and I just make my bed scene

1564
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 4: for when I go to bed after practice and everything,

1565
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 4: and then I also hit I usually hit target. I

1566
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 4: usually hit target and grab a clear bin and just

1567
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 4: fill my bin up with any late night snack that

1568
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 4: I might want.

1569
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 2: You know, it's really good. Okay, So last one here,

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01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 2: Captain Sandy, because you are a global spokesperson for the

1571
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 2: all natural t tree oil manufacturer a Zuna. So first

1572
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 2: question about being a global spokesperson do you need to

1573
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 2: speak different languages? And then second where can people find

1574
01:22:58,560 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 2: a Zuna.

1575
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:03,680
Speaker 3: A rush dot com. Honestly, Scott kept it simple. I

1576
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 3: had a hard time saying anti microbial. It's took me

1577
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:08,640
Speaker 3: a long time to get that down because that's what

1578
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 3: the product is. And for me, it's like something that's

1579
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 3: natural to me because it's.

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01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 1: A product that I believe in. We use it on boats.

1581
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: I used it.

1582
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 3: I like Scott's product because it's he worked with the

1583
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 3: product to make it better. We had this stuff, we

1584
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 3: tore apart. We just our hands got dirty. These are

1585
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 3: in these nice glass looks pods we put down at

1586
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 3: the base of it, and that intake of air goes

1587
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 3: through all the air ducks and the crew quarters are

1588
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 3: the worst quarters. They're the moldy, wet dam and they

1589
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 3: smell okay, like I've done that down there. I'm like,

1590
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 3: you got to clean your rooms. So that's a Zuna

1591
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 3: fresh works.

1592
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 2: All right, that's awesome, Sandy, Dion, thanks for coming in

1593
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,799
Speaker 2: enough and look forward to seeing you on future editions

1594
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 2: of the Bravos series below Deck. So thanks for coming

1595
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 2: in and spending some time with us. We appreciate having me.

1596
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 2: That's Sandy on and Dion Dawkins joining us here on

1597
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 2: Bill's Live. We'll take a break, be back with more

1598
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 2: in a second catch in a few minutes. All right,

1599
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:21,839
Speaker 2: back here on one Bill's Live. That was a unique

1600
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 2: experience there. My wife is a big fan of that

1601
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 2: show below Deck. Yeah, she's gonna lose her marbles she

1602
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 2: sees that segment. I wanted to get to one item

1603
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 2: on around the NFL that we did not get a

1604
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 2: chance to get across to you. And we know that

1605
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 2: the running back position has taken a huge hit this offseason,

1606
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 2: so much so that a bunch of running backs had

1607
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 2: a conference call together with NFLPA reps to see what

1608
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 2: can be done about the state of the position and

1609
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 2: the devaluing of it. We've said on this show. Before

1610
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 2: there were eleven backs making ten million dollars per year

1611
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 2: or more last season at this time, now there are five.

1612
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 2: That number has been cut in half. So it's an

1613
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 2: issue and it's getting a lot of notice from the

1614
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 2: guys who play that very position. Josh Jacobs is a

1615
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,639
Speaker 2: guy that was given the franchise tag by the Raiders Steve,

1616
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 2: but he did not sign it. And Tom Pellasero from

1617
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 2: the NFL Network was reporting today that Jacobs was seen

1618
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 2: leaving Las Vegas on a flight out of town and

1619
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 2: told his friends he doesn't plan to return anytime soon

1620
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:42,600
Speaker 2: and he can't be fined because he didn't sign his

1621
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 2: franchise tag. He's not under contract right now, so what

1622
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 2: comes of it, We'll have to wait and see. The

1623
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,680
Speaker 2: general belief is he will show up for week one

1624
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:55,599
Speaker 2: because is he going to sit out the year at

1625
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 2: the running back position? That's the last position you can

1626
01:25:58,080 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 2: afford to do that at.

1627
01:25:59,400 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he can't.

1628
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 2: Uh, and how well did it go for Le'Veon Bell Yeah,

1629
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 2: a few years ago.

1630
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 1: You can't. As a running back, you can't leave money

1631
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 1: like that on the table. It's a ten million, ten

1632
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 1: point nine ten point nine million dollar contract. The running

1633
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 1: back franchise tag and you can't leave that on the table.

1634
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 2: And I think I think the Raiders know he can't

1635
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 2: leave it on the table here. That's why they're not budget.

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01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 1: Here's the problem. You go in there, you're unhappy, You

1637
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:30,639
Speaker 1: come in on week one and you and you play

1638
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 1: half heartedly the entire season because you don't like the

1639
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 1: situation and your value. The bottom falls out of your

1640
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 1: value because the sentiment around the NFL will be there

1641
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 1: and I know it'll be it'll be this. Yeah, guy's

1642
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 1: a pretty good player when he's motivated. Obviously, he's motivated

1643
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 1: by the money, because he wasn't motivated to help that

1644
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 1: team when he was in there playing for ten million dollars.

1645
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 1: We're gonna give him if we offer him twelve million

1646
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 1: dollars guarantee half a four year deal for forty eight

1647
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 1: minsllion dollars or whatever. Give him twelve million, he's going

1648
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 1: to come. But he's motivated by the money. And once

1649
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 1: he's got the money and has got it guaranteed, why

1650
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 1: would he care about helping us. He didn't care about

1651
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 1: the team that made him famous and helped him launch

1652
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 1: his career. He wasn't loyal to them. When they were

1653
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:18,640
Speaker 1: paying him ten million. That's what's going to happen, And

1654
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:21,559
Speaker 1: so they won't. They won't. He's not going to enhance

1655
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: his value by not playing or playing half heartedly for

1656
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 1: the Raiders, which is what it looks like he's going

1657
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 1: to do.

1658
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 2: But meanwhile, I mean, he's been laying it on the

1659
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 2: line for the last three or four years for the

1660
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:36,679
Speaker 2: Raiders and been remarkably productive.

1661
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: I mean, on a good team.

1662
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,679
Speaker 2: You can make the argument he has carried that offense

1663
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 2: for the better part of the last four years and

1664
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 2: what does he have to show for it a franchise

1665
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 2: tag on a one year deal. Now, at the same time,

1666
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,680
Speaker 2: there are people out there that going to say, farbeard

1667
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:54,680
Speaker 2: from me, to cry a river for a running back

1668
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 2: making ten million dollars a year in this society, you know,

1669
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 2: they're not going to get a lot of sympathy. Yeah,

1670
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 2: I understand where they're coming from. You know, you see

1671
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 2: all these other positions, their value just keeps going up

1672
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 2: and up and up and up and up, and the

1673
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 2: running back position has struggled to make similar type increases.

1674
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,879
Speaker 1: Because of the rule changes that are evolving about offenses

1675
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 1: and what you can do, what you can get away

1676
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 1: with it's becoming more and more efficient and successful to

1677
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 1: throw the football, which means the running backs are devalued

1678
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:32,799
Speaker 1: and the positions de valued, and they're in a transition

1679
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: and they only soon you're going to have guys doing

1680
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:36,639
Speaker 1: that run and shoot and you can have four wides

1681
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 1: a single back or four wides and a tight.

1682
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:40,640
Speaker 2: End, and it's going to be a running back that

1683
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 2: is capable of catching sixty seventy balls a year.

1684
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 1: It's going to be an Alvin Kamara type.

1685
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, which could potentially put James Cook in a very

1686
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 2: good situation because he is more than capable of doing that. Yeah.

1687
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 1: The problem is when you get into that and you

1688
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 1: start throwing it throwing, you get in those situations in

1689
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 1: the team, in the league and in games where gosh,

1690
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 1: we just we don't want to throw, We just want

1691
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 1: to run it and kill the clock, and you can't

1692
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 1: because you don't have the personnel on your roster.

1693
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 2: That's where that's another area where we expect the Bills

1694
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 2: to be different in training camp at this summer with

1695
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:13,719
Speaker 2: the investment in the guard position and big backs Damien

1696
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 2: Harris Latavius Murray, they should have that in their offensive

1697
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 2: Arsenal this season. That's it for Steve and I today.

1698
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 2: We'll see you tomorrow at one