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Speaker 2: New York Times best selling books on Aaron Rodgers, Derek Jeter,
Speaker 2: and Bill Belichick. Pretty impressive resume. Has got a new
Speaker 2: one coming out with Dan Hurley, which is fascinating because
Speaker 2: Hurley and Yukon have had a spirited and disappointing season.
Speaker 2: And the book is coming out in September called Never
Speaker 2: Stop Life, Leadership and What it Takes to Be Great,
Speaker 2: co written with Dan Hurley. I want to get to
Speaker 2: that in a second. I want to start with Rick
Speaker 2: Batino and Saint John's. So, for the uninitiated, Saint John's
Speaker 2: is in Queens, one of the five boroughs. Used to
Speaker 2: be in Brooklyn. Actually a long time ago Catholic university
Speaker 2: between the airports is how I remember being described to
Speaker 2: me one time. And it was in the Big East,
Speaker 2: which is the greatest basketball conference, the most personality filled
Speaker 2: basketball conference at its best in the history, between players
Speaker 2: and coaches, and so Louis carnaseca Ages leaves, it's not
Speaker 2: the same university many people tried. Then one of the
Speaker 2: great coaches of all time, Rick Batino and New Yorker
Speaker 2: gets the job.
Speaker 1: So let's start with that.
Speaker 2: I couldn't say the last time Duke and Saint John's
Speaker 2: both had a chance to win the title in the
Speaker 2: same tournament. So it's a fascinating tournament. But when Rick
Speaker 2: took the job, I mean I said this the other day.
Speaker 2: You know, his moral compass has sometimes flipped around. But
Speaker 2: in terms of basketball iq EQ and program building, he
Speaker 2: is He is parcels plus Urban Meyer. You know, he
Speaker 2: is just one of these guys that can do a
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh. What is the secret sauce?
Speaker 1: You know? Rick?
Speaker 2: What is his secret sauce? What's different between Rick and
Speaker 2: so many other coaches that go to these programs? I
Speaker 2: own a Saint John's and just make it work quickly.
Speaker 1: Great question, And I think, first of all, I think
Speaker 1: the two best coaches in the history of the sport
Speaker 1: are John Wooden and Mike Sizhevsky. So if you look
Speaker 1: at their bodies of work, yeah, I think they're the
Speaker 1: top two. But I also believe Rick Patino is just
Speaker 1: as good as they were. I think that he's as
Speaker 1: good as any college basketball coach ever. And it's just
Speaker 1: the ferocity with which he gets his kids to play defense.
Speaker 1: And it really works at Saint John's, and of course
Speaker 1: it worked at Louisville, it worked at Kentucky and to Providence.
Speaker 1: But he's such a New Yorker and that is such
Speaker 1: a New York style of play on the playgrounds that
Speaker 1: it really translates. And this has been a very likable
Speaker 1: team the city has fallen in love with Saint John's. Now,
Speaker 1: when I started my career, Saint John's would take the
Speaker 1: back page of the tabloids away from the Knicks, and
Speaker 1: so it's been a long time since that was possible. Now.
Speaker 1: Of course, the tabloids aren't what they used to be
Speaker 1: in New York or newspapers anywhere, of course, but Saint
Speaker 1: John's is now a team that the city has embraced.
Speaker 1: And Patino that style of played. He did it even
Speaker 1: with the mix, pressing, defense, attention to detail, just playing
Speaker 1: with that ferocity. And yeah, I don't know if I've
Speaker 1: ever seen a coach get his kids consistently to play
Speaker 1: any harder than Rick Patino's teams everywhere he's been, including
Speaker 1: in the NBA outside of the Celtics. But yeah, he's
Speaker 1: an amazing when it comes to x's and o's and
Speaker 1: motivation and recruiting, He's an amazing coach, There's no question
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: So it is very unique I have them making the
Speaker 2: Final four. They don't shoot threes particularly well, but either
Speaker 2: does half ninety percent of the field. I mean, you
Speaker 2: see San Diego's rare BYU is rare. Saint John's can't
Speaker 2: shoot threes, Houston's not great at it, Michigan State can't.
Speaker 2: I mean I watched Michigan Michigan State play a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, and Michigan State ends up scoring in
Speaker 2: the eighties. I don't know how, but they get there.
Speaker 2: So I don't really use that as a deficit. I
Speaker 2: think Saint John's can muscle and defend and coach its
Speaker 2: way to the final four. But I'll go being back
Speaker 2: to my an initial point. You know Duke basketball because
Speaker 2: of the book on Coach k which I strongly recommend
Speaker 2: if you've never read it, it is I think it's.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I think it's your best book, and.
Speaker 1: I've read all of them. I loved it.
Speaker 2: Duke is the most talented team Coach K leaves. And
Speaker 2: usually it almost always works this way. You give it
Speaker 2: to a popular assistant coach and he just doesn't have
Speaker 2: the gravitas or the weight to hold this massive brand afloat.
Speaker 2: But Duke this year feels like to me, the odds
Speaker 2: on favorite, like if they want, it's the only team
Speaker 2: you wouldn't even ask how you'd go. Okay, Cooper flag,
Speaker 2: are you surprised by Coach k leaves, and yet Duke
Speaker 2: remains vibrant.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not surprised, Colin. I think Duke does recruit
Speaker 1: itself to some degree. But John Schier's recruiting has been
Speaker 1: unbelievable since coach k left. And you start with that.
Speaker 1: Of course, that's the lifeblood of college basketball in all
Speaker 1: college sports, and he's been terrific at that. And he's
Speaker 1: just a really good coach too, in terms of ex's
Speaker 1: and o's. But if you look at that team right now,
Speaker 1: it's almost a perfect college basketball team. They've got the
Speaker 1: big man who's seven to two with an incredible wingspan.
Speaker 1: He's a top ten, top fifteen NBA pick. You've got
Speaker 1: a forward who's a top fifteen on one side. On
Speaker 1: the other side, you've got one of the best freshmen
Speaker 1: we've ever seen in college basketball, who's the number one pick,
Speaker 1: assuming he's healthy and he looks like he's going to play.
Speaker 1: And in the backcourt you've got two guys who are six'
Speaker 1: five at. Guard, now, yeah maybe the one question mark
Speaker 1: you have against a team that has, smaller quicker, guards
Speaker 1: maybe that's a little bit of an. Issue but, size,
Speaker 1: skill the, coaching the, pedigree everything is in place For
Speaker 1: duke to win the national. CHAMPIONSHIP i actually don't think they,
Speaker 1: will BUT i certainly wouldn't be surprised if they, do
Speaker 1: because they probably do have the best. TEAM i actually
Speaker 1: Think houston is going to win the national. Title and
Speaker 1: it's a bit of a strange. REASON i just Think
Speaker 1: Kelvin sampson has been such a good coach for so
Speaker 1: long it seems to me that he's going to get
Speaker 1: one before he. Retires and you, look, REALLY i know
Speaker 1: that's kind of a funny, reason but if you look
Speaker 1: at the way they, defend they have, guards AND i
Speaker 1: just think at some point he's going to pick one.
Speaker 1: Off John shire is very worthy coach of winning a
Speaker 1: national telegraphy recall from my, Book COACH k wanted him
Speaker 1: to be the. Coach the university actually Wanted Tommy amacker
Speaker 1: to be the next head, coach But COACH k sort
Speaker 1: of got his way on that, one and, frankly you
Speaker 1: cannot argue with the. Results John shire is ben.
Speaker 2: Tremendous, yeah for the, uninitiated, again for the people that
Speaker 2: don't follow due closely or college, basketball what was? Boy
Speaker 2: that must have been, tough remember reading about it in
Speaker 2: your book you Have amaker And shire and you know
Speaker 2: and here comes COACH. K eventually you know he's going
Speaker 2: to make a. Choice what Is shire's, strength what's this
Speaker 2: foundational piece that made him the? Choice and why you
Speaker 2: Think COACH k eventually leaned to.
Speaker 1: Him because he was in his. System it had been
Speaker 1: a long time Since amiker had been an assistant At.
Speaker 1: Duke of, course he was a very important player in
Speaker 1: the development of that championship program Under COACH k and
Speaker 1: has done a good job in The Ivy. League But
Speaker 1: shire was. There shire was a great. Player he was
Speaker 1: going to play of THE nba serious eye injury early
Speaker 1: in what would have BEEN i think a pretty GOOD nba.
Speaker 1: Career but the way he relates to. Kids i've had
Speaker 1: just a couple of conversations with, him but been around
Speaker 1: enough people who are in his world, consistently and he's
Speaker 1: just a very relatable. Guy and SO i think the
Speaker 1: fact that he was a, really really good player there
Speaker 1: and the fact that he is he's got the right
Speaker 1: personality to connect with. People he obviously has THE x
Speaker 1: AND o background From COACH, k and you put it all,
Speaker 1: together and, again it is a campus that does recruit
Speaker 1: itself to some, degree and a program that does recruit
Speaker 1: itself to some. Degree it's a pretty powerful. Combination SO
Speaker 1: i said this the other day on the.
Speaker 2: Show you, know OBVIOUSLY i was in The northeast for
Speaker 2: ten and a half, years but one of the THINGS
Speaker 2: i observed WHEN i was in the city a lot
Speaker 2: or near it In connecticut is, that you, know there's
Speaker 2: a lot Of yankee And met, fans and a lot
Speaker 2: Of giant And jet, fans but everybody In New york
Speaker 2: likes The.
Speaker 1: Knicks it's just.
Speaker 2: Every single FRIEND i had In New, york and many of,
Speaker 2: them more than The yankees Or, giants Were nick fans.
Speaker 2: First and, Again i'm old enough to remember The Walt,
Speaker 2: Fraser Bill, Bradley Earl. Monroe, yet LIKE i go back
Speaker 2: to the seventies when nobody. Won you, know The lakers
Speaker 2: won a, title The warriors, did The Washington bullets, did The,
Speaker 2: sonics The, blazers The, knicks and then there were the
Speaker 2: Pat riley. Iterations BUT i always, Said, god If dolan
Speaker 2: could get out of the, way this city loves its
Speaker 2: team so. Much AND i think when the sphere got
Speaker 2: built for two, Years dolan removed himself from the. FACILITY
Speaker 2: i mean literally. Physically he was In vegas so often
Speaker 2: and it allowed The knicks to really grow this really
Speaker 2: strong basketball, group AND i think they've made very, patient
Speaker 2: very sharp. MOVES i don't think kat is the, future
Speaker 2: BUT i think he was the right move at the right.
Speaker 2: Time but there was a moment Between tibbs And Josh
Speaker 2: hart the other day And Mikhale bridges it was public
Speaker 2: that he had gone To. Tibbs, hey we need to
Speaker 2: play the starters. Less you, know young players don't get
Speaker 2: a lot of work and minutes Under. Tibbs as great
Speaker 2: as the brief journey has been With, tom it does feel,
Speaker 2: like does it not Ian to get to the next,
Speaker 2: level you need two. Moves Karl Anthony towns probably gets
Speaker 2: replaced with a better defensive big or just like A,
Speaker 2: kd a greater, player And tibbs may not be the.
Speaker 2: Answer or is that me three thousand miles away Guessing.
Speaker 1: NO i think it's possible that's the. CASE i do
Speaker 1: Think tibbs is good and not to win a championship
Speaker 1: as a head. Coach they losing the second round again this.
Speaker 1: YEAR i don't think he'll get replaced BECAUSE i think
Speaker 1: he'll lose to a better. TEAM i think The celtics are,
Speaker 1: better and surprisingly, ENOUGH i did not think The cavs
Speaker 1: would be, better but they. Are they just are so
Speaker 1: if they lose in the second, round to say The,
Speaker 1: celtics defire the guy off that you're losing to a better.
Speaker 1: Team The celtics have better. Players The knicks have improved
Speaker 1: their rosters. Certainly AND i didn't Think Jalen. BRUNSON i
Speaker 1: wasn't sure if he'd be this or could be the
Speaker 1: second best player on a championship team when they acquired.
Speaker 1: Him NOW i do think he could be one of
Speaker 1: the top, two if not the best player on a championship.
Speaker 1: Team he's an incredible, player AND i think a lot
Speaker 1: of people In New york were surprised by. THAT i
Speaker 1: think where The knicks are right now is it's kind
Speaker 1: of funny Because jets fans have been complaining and complaining
Speaker 1: About Woody, johnson the owner for a long. Time If
Speaker 1: Woody johnson, hires we'll find out if he did the
Speaker 1: right general manager And mouji and the right head coach
Speaker 1: And Aaron. Glenn he's going to go away And jets
Speaker 1: fans will never talk about. Him knicks fans are not
Speaker 1: talking About Jim dollon and they haven't now for a
Speaker 1: number of years because he hired the right general. Manager
Speaker 1: AND i was a. Gamble Leon rose had never done this.
Speaker 1: Job he was a very good age and he had
Speaker 1: never been a general, manager and early ON i wasn't so.
Speaker 1: Sure but turns out he knows what he's, doing And,
Speaker 1: tims of, course everybody knew he knew what he was.
Speaker 1: Doing he's proven that he could be a very valuable
Speaker 1: piece of a coaching staff that won a championship In
Speaker 1: boston Under Doc, rivers and so is. He it's almost
Speaker 1: Like Buck showalter did all the dirty work on The
Speaker 1: yankees in the mid nineties and then he got replaced
Speaker 1: By Joe, tory And Joe tory then won a Flor World.
Speaker 1: Series So i'm not saying that the Next knicks coach
Speaker 1: is gonna win four titles in the next five years
Speaker 1: after that, happens BUT i think that he's going to
Speaker 1: get one more year after another second round, exit maybe
Speaker 1: The knicks will surprise us and win that second round
Speaker 1: matchup with say The. CELTICS i don't think that will,
Speaker 1: happen BUT i do think you're right in terms of the,
Speaker 1: roster it looks like they're still believe it or. Not
Speaker 1: after all the moves they've made and what five number
Speaker 1: one picks For bridges and then they made The cat
Speaker 1: deal and They brunson deal was an incredible. One it
Speaker 1: still looks like they need to make one more move
Speaker 1: and Maybe kat is a part of that. Package but,
Speaker 1: yeah right, now it's just they're in a tough way
Speaker 1: because of The celtics being in their, way and now
Speaker 1: The cavs have hurdled, them and they sure look like
Speaker 1: they're for. Real.
Speaker 2: YEAH i think The hertenstein, move WHICH i think they
Speaker 2: were kind of, trapped there's not much they could. DO
Speaker 2: i thought he added some real toughness and rebounding that's
Speaker 2: very hard to. Replace kat is a more gifted offensive,
Speaker 2: player but he's not the toughest guy in the, league
Speaker 2: and he's a poor. Defender hartenstein had this sort Of
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Speaker 2: Audio The Aaron rodgers thing has been interesting because he
Speaker 2: wrote the book on, him so you know him pretty.
Speaker 2: Well AND i didn't think HIS i don't think his football.
Speaker 1: He's.
Speaker 2: Fine he's you, know somewhere between the thirteenth and sixteenth best.
Speaker 2: Quarterback he's. FINE i don't think he's quite as committed
Speaker 2: as the young great, ones AND i don't think he
Speaker 2: moves like the young great. Ones he's. Smart but When
Speaker 2: Aaron glenn came in and for the second time In aaron's,
Speaker 2: career he was caught off guard a little by a
Speaker 2: team saying, hey, thanks but no. Thanks according to reports
Speaker 2: that you, Know aaron had flown across country meeting with,
Speaker 2: him And Aaron glenn was, like we're gonna move on
Speaker 2: and to me downgraded at. QUARTERBACK i, mean when you
Speaker 2: write a book On, aaron you think you have a
Speaker 2: feel or a vibe for. HIM i said this the other.
Speaker 2: Day if The vikings say, no, THANKS i think he.
Speaker 2: Retires when you look at how the season went and
Speaker 2: now we're in this flux, period are you surprised or
Speaker 2: could you have predicted it based on the over one
Speaker 2: hundred people you talk to in the conversation With.
Speaker 1: AARON i Think i'm not surprised that HE i think
Speaker 1: the overriding feeling right now is that he still wants
Speaker 1: to play in maybe two. YEARS i had a friend
Speaker 1: of his tell me two years a week, ago because
Speaker 1: he kind of feels like this past Season colin was
Speaker 1: a rehab, year and so if he has a good
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, FIVE i really do expect him to try
Speaker 1: to play in twenty. Six but we'll even play at,
Speaker 1: All retirement is on the. Table THINK i don't think
Speaker 1: The vikings are going to sign. Him that would be
Speaker 1: the best case. Scenario but if You let's say you
Speaker 1: put The vikings roster or The, steelers and The giants
Speaker 1: had an equivalent talent base as The, vikings same, coaching same.
Speaker 1: TALENT i actually think he picked The giants because he
Speaker 1: does really like living in The New, York New jersey,
Speaker 1: area despite the fact that The jets thing was effectively
Speaker 1: a two year. DISASTER i do think if The giants
Speaker 1: had A vikings, ROSTER i actually think he would pick The.
Speaker 1: Giants he has respect for that. Organization they've had good.
Speaker 1: Conversations i've talked to a couple people with The giants
Speaker 1: who said they have no issues with him as a
Speaker 1: locker room. Presence as a. Personality, ah they don't. Care
Speaker 1: they think he's the best available quarterback and they won.
Speaker 1: Him they've made a good. Offer IF i had to
Speaker 1: put twenty bucks down, TODAY i think he'll be the
Speaker 1: starting quarterback for The steelers BECAUSE i think he'd prefer The.
Speaker 1: Vikings but The, STEELERS i, think really do want. Him
Speaker 1: they've made that, clear And Mike tomlin gives him the
Speaker 1: kind of coaching last Year. Colin i've been doing this
Speaker 1: almost forty years in The New york. Market that is
Speaker 1: one of the two or three worst coaching Jobs i've
Speaker 1: ever seen in any sport In New. York and so
Speaker 1: to go from that To Mike, tomlin If Mike tomlin
Speaker 1: coached the twenty twenty Four, jets they would have gone
Speaker 1: ten and. Seven i'm convinced of. That that was a
Speaker 1: ten and seventeen that went five and twelve with horrific.
Speaker 1: Coaching SO i think with The steelers and with the
Speaker 1: playmakers they have now and roster and particularly the, COACHING
Speaker 1: i Think aaron can go ten and, seven maybe eleven and,
Speaker 1: six and get back in the. Playoffs and maybe that's
Speaker 1: the way to end his. CAREER i think where The
Speaker 1: giants are right now because they don't have that roster
Speaker 1: that we're talking about early with The, vikings he's looking
Speaker 1: at that, saying, geez DO i want to finish my
Speaker 1: career going five and twelve for One New york team
Speaker 1: and five and twelve for. Another have you looked at
Speaker 1: The giants home? Schedule let me run these eight games by,
Speaker 1: you and you tell me they're gonna play nine on
Speaker 1: the road next year and eight at. Home you tell
Speaker 1: me who The giants are beating from this? Crew, Dallas,
Speaker 1: OKAY i think they can Beat. Dallas but then they're
Speaker 1: playing at, Home, Philly, Washington Green, Bay Kansas, city The,
Speaker 1: chargers The, vikings and the forty nine. Ers how many
Speaker 1: of those games are they? Winning maybe two if they're,
Speaker 1: lucky they go two and six at. Home then on
Speaker 1: the road they're At, dallas they're At, Philly they're At,
Speaker 1: Washington they're At, denver they're At. Detroit how many those
Speaker 1: games are they? Winning SO i Think aaron is smart
Speaker 1: enough to look at that and, say DO i really
Speaker 1: want to go five and? Twelve even IF i played?
Speaker 1: Better and even THOUGH i don't think The jet thing
Speaker 1: is really going to hurt his, LEGACY i don't think
Speaker 1: ten fifteen years from, now when he's already in The
Speaker 1: hall Of fame as A, packer people are going to
Speaker 1: be talking about his experience with The. Jets but if
Speaker 1: he does that again with a second, TEAM i do
Speaker 1: Think kle hurt his. Legacy so to, me if The
Speaker 1: vikings aren't interested and they're going with McCarthy pretty much right,
Speaker 1: AWAY i think The steelers make a lot of. SENSE
Speaker 1: i Think tomlin is a built in insurance policy that
Speaker 1: it won't be a. DISASTER i think he should do.
Speaker 1: THAT i think he'll play. BETTER i think he'll make the,
Speaker 1: playoffs and that's the way to go, out.
Speaker 2: All. RIGHT i want to go back to. Basketball Dan
Speaker 2: hurley and The hurley. Family obviously they're, smart they're. Aggressive
Speaker 2: they're sort of baked into our college basketball ideology and.
Speaker 2: Culture over the course of my, life you, know the,
Speaker 2: dad the, Coach Bobby dan the only Thing i've ever
Speaker 2: worried About Dan, Hurley AND i think this is sort
Speaker 2: of a problem that arises with great success and the
Speaker 2: kind of personality types that often flourish in college which
Speaker 2: are you, know they. Need they're very good with. Control Nick,
Speaker 2: Saban Bobby, Knight Urban. Meyer they flourish with. Control that's
Speaker 2: why they don't like professional. Football they lack they don't
Speaker 2: have they can't get their arms quite around the. Program
Speaker 2: you're dealing with, agents you're dealing with impulsive. Owners so
Speaker 2: it's like the duality of. Life your greatest strength as
Speaker 2: often becomes a. Burden AND i look At Dan hurley's
Speaker 2: kind of treatment of the, officials and there's there's talk that,
Speaker 2: he's you, know he's gotten more difficult in the athletic.
Speaker 2: DEPARTMENT i see that he's co writing a book with
Speaker 2: you instead of you know you're writing it. Is AND
Speaker 2: i look at this From afar BECAUSE i like And
Speaker 2: i've talked to, him AND i really like, him AND
Speaker 2: i really Enjoy WHEN i was In, CONNECTICUT i became
Speaker 2: very fond of The yukon, program AND i think one
Speaker 2: of the great coaches of my time Is Jim, calhoun
Speaker 2: who built a powerhouse in, Stores. Connecticut you've been around.
Speaker 1: Him this?
Speaker 2: Season was it as ugly close to the program as
Speaker 2: it was from the outside starting in that was It Maui,
Speaker 2: tournament you, know early in the, Season lovely And.
Speaker 1: Howie but they recovered from, that and he did to some.
Speaker 1: EXTENT i think he was wounded by some of the
Speaker 1: criticism but later acknowledge that his behavior on the sideline
Speaker 1: was too. Much it was over the. Top AND i
Speaker 1: think he only has the one technical on the, mainland
Speaker 1: as he said, recently and that was. It and he
Speaker 1: did get caught Saying i'm the best coach in the bleeping.
Speaker 1: Sport he didn't know the camera was on. Him of,
Speaker 1: course he had the thing Of, creighton the two, rings two, Rings,
Speaker 1: baldy AND i Think i'll know that one didn't bother
Speaker 1: me so much because it Was Dollar Beer night At.
Speaker 1: Creighton so you invited a guy From Jersey city to
Speaker 1: Dollar Beer, night you cursed him out for two hours
Speaker 1: and fifteen, minutes and then on his way off the
Speaker 1: court following his, interview he got cursed out again and
Speaker 1: he said some, things AND i didn't have a problem with.
Speaker 1: That so BUT i think That yukon has been all
Speaker 1: over the map with this. Season at, times they've looked
Speaker 1: like a top ten. Team After, maui They Beacon, Zaga
Speaker 1: texas And, baylor and once McNeely got hurt and missed eight,
Speaker 1: games he's their best. Player he's going to be a lottery.
Speaker 1: Pick just the season sort of went sideways a little.
Speaker 1: Bit it's been inconsistent better of. Late they've won what
Speaker 1: five of their last, six and of course lose To
Speaker 1: creighton in The Big East. Semis but they're a. Team
Speaker 1: i'll say This, colin they And DAN i actually think
Speaker 1: has done a really really good coaching. Job roster construction
Speaker 1: maybe not so. Much it's almost like he's overcome his
Speaker 1: own construction of the. Roster and there are a lot
Speaker 1: of holes with this, team and he's coached his way
Speaker 1: around those holes and got them to a point Where,
Speaker 1: okay they're an eight. SEED i think they'll Beat, oklahoma
Speaker 1: AND i think they'll Scare florida in round two and
Speaker 1: probably lose that. Game but if you told, me and
Speaker 1: the way this season has, gone if you told me
Speaker 1: they could Upset florida in round, TWO i would believe.
Speaker 1: It if you told me they were going to lose
Speaker 1: To oklahoma in round, ONE i would believe. It that's
Speaker 1: the way this season is. Gone But i'll say, this
Speaker 1: If i'm The, Gators i'd feel wronged a little, bit
Speaker 1: like you're tell me after the season we've. Had as
Speaker 1: a number one, Seed i'm Getting Dan hurley and The. Huskies,
Speaker 1: yeah the team at certain points of this year they
Speaker 1: played like a top ten team and there are two
Speaker 1: time defending. CHAMPION i don't want them in the second
Speaker 1: round as the number one. Seed, so, yeah it listened With.
Speaker 1: Hurley it's always interesting behind the. Scenes one Thing COLIN
Speaker 1: i think a lot of people don't realize. NATIONALLY i
Speaker 1: think In connecticut they. Do it's behind the. Scenes he
Speaker 1: has a holistic approach to coaching his. Kids they know
Speaker 1: he loves.
Speaker 2: Them.
Speaker 1: Now that's not something he grew up with with his.
Speaker 1: Dad with coaches in The Big east with his own
Speaker 1: coach in The Big. East but he learned and the
Speaker 1: fact that he got screened at during games and he
Speaker 1: remembers how that. Felt people don't realize that in, games
Speaker 1: it is rare when he ever screams at an individual. Player,
Speaker 1: now in, timeouts he'll get on the, group he'll challenge.
Speaker 1: Them you have to do that as a. Coach, halftime
Speaker 1: behind the closed locker room, door he'll he'll challenge. Guys
Speaker 1: but during a, game in front of a lot of
Speaker 1: people watching ON tv and in the, arena he almost never
Speaker 1: screams out of. Player and there are times When i'm
Speaker 1: looking for him to do it because some egregious mistake
Speaker 1: would be, made and he doesn't do. It SO i
Speaker 1: give him a lot of credit for. That AND i
Speaker 1: just don't think he gets any credit for that as.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, WELL i also think sometimes we, compare which
Speaker 2: is of course The thief Of joy the thirty seven
Speaker 2: and Three Yukon huskies that won the national. Title to,
Speaker 2: me this is just my, opinion was the best college
Speaker 2: basketball team from coaching to construction Since Billy donovan's two
Speaker 2: time Champion Florida. Gators they could do. Everything they had
Speaker 2: so much dexterity and, size the ability to defend the,
Speaker 2: rim the, wing the. POINT i Thought Billy donovan's teams
Speaker 2: that second year when he brought them all, back that
Speaker 2: was a machine and they WERE i mean humiliating good.
Speaker 2: TEAMS i Think yukon's the best Team i've seen since.
Speaker 2: THEN i, mean all of those guys that went to THE,
Speaker 2: nba From portland to Sant, tonio they've all been. Outstanding
Speaker 2: SO i don't think. IT i think in TODAY'S, nil
Speaker 2: when people cherry pick you and recruitings every man for,
Speaker 2: HIMSELF i think we have to BE i, had Even
Speaker 2: coach k had certain champions that didn't live up to
Speaker 2: The Grant hill you, Know Bobby Hurley laytner level. TEAMS
Speaker 2: i think over the course of, Time Dan hurley may
Speaker 2: look back and, Think, JESUS i was a young, coach
Speaker 2: that's the best Team i've ever. HAD i, mean you,
Speaker 2: know college, basketball you can be. ENCYCLOPEDIC i thought last
Speaker 2: year's team was. INSANE i really.
Speaker 1: DID i put last year's team right there with the
Speaker 1: early Nineties vegas teams And duke, teams and those were machines,
Speaker 1: Too even Though dukee Deraileds. VEGAS i think going into
Speaker 1: that final, four that might have been the best Team
Speaker 1: i'd ever SEE tark AND unlv and THEN i covered.
Speaker 1: Them YEAH i know you. Did and yeah SO i
Speaker 1: think The yukon team from last year and four guys
Speaker 1: go to THE, nba and, yeah that's right there with
Speaker 1: the best college basketball teams of my, lifetime no. Question
Speaker 1: AND i think one thing that should be pointing out
Speaker 1: Is Billy donovan off those back to BACK ncaa championship
Speaker 1: teams didn't go to THE Ncaa tournament year. Three he
Speaker 1: went to THE nit coach k wins back to back
Speaker 1: in ninety, one ninety, two and ninety three loses in
Speaker 1: the second. Round If Dan hurley can find a way
Speaker 1: to Beat oklahoma and Then, florida he will be the
Speaker 1: first coach Since John wooden with a back to back
Speaker 1: championship team to get to The sweet. Sixteen that's how
Speaker 1: hard it is to maintain. It now you look today
Speaker 1: in college, sports maintaining anything is next to impossible because
Speaker 1: there's perpetual free. Agency everyone's a free. AGENT i Think
Speaker 1: dan in This austin he's really going to look at
Speaker 1: because he likes building something and maybe adding pieces from other,
Speaker 1: programs but not running a mercenary program where you're just
Speaker 1: grabbing pieces from everywhere. Else he likes to build and
Speaker 1: likes to have a core of homegrown. Talent but can
Speaker 1: you do that? Now i'm Watching Saint john's Play yukon,
Speaker 1: Right liam McNeely, Again top FIFTEEN nba pick best. Player
Speaker 1: he's a. Freshman you're talking about a kid who's now
Speaker 1: what eighteen nineteen years? Old AND i see him Covering
Speaker 1: Kadari richmond Is Saint. John's Kadari richmond did a year
Speaker 1: prep school and this is his fifth year in. College excellent,
Speaker 1: player but he's like he's twenty. Four And i'm seeing
Speaker 1: the two standing next to each. Other Kadari richmond looks
Speaker 1: like AN nba, player physically strong and mature guy and
Speaker 1: just knows how to play the. Game and McNeely looks
Speaker 1: like a. Teenager so it's hard when you're playing against
Speaker 1: these programs that have, older stronger guys who've played at multiple.
Speaker 1: Schools good luck with. THAT i think the coaches who
Speaker 1: like to build and keep homegrown, talent it's a bit
Speaker 1: of a problem right. Now you know.
Speaker 2: You have always picked iconic people to write books About, Belichick, jeter,
Speaker 2: coach K Aaron. Rodgers Now Dan, hurley who if he
Speaker 2: stays in college basketball for another, decade will win more.
Speaker 2: Titles stores is built for, it and so is. He
Speaker 2: and they really people, again they really, dominate like a
Speaker 2: four state region of, recruiting which is you, know especially
Speaker 2: if you look At, hurley you know they he gets those.
Speaker 2: People just you know out. West they think there's so
Speaker 2: much talent In Los, angeles but it gets. Splintered you,
Speaker 2: KNOW ucla gets, ONE usc gets, One arizona gets, One
Speaker 2: Gon zagon gets, One oregon gets. One boy in that northeast.
Speaker 2: Corridor you, Know yukung can really get now That Jay wright's.
Speaker 2: Gone he was getting THE dmv cherry picking that it's
Speaker 2: Yu kon has a. Chance you, know it's just funny right,
Speaker 2: Now yukon And Saint. John's If patino stays for five
Speaker 2: years And hurley stays for five in this city that
Speaker 2: we think about baseball and football in The, knicks he's
Speaker 2: college basketball.
Speaker 1: Programs it's like the halcyon days of the. Sport IT'S
Speaker 1: i feel Like New.
Speaker 2: York you, know everybody thinks college basketball is, dead but
Speaker 2: with nil in a lot of these players are not
Speaker 2: going to go to THE G. League they're going to
Speaker 2: stay at college for one more. Year SO i feel
Speaker 2: like college basketball has had like been semi. Dead it's
Speaker 2: been a three week sport for a, decade AND i
Speaker 2: kind of feel like THE nil is a life preserver for.
Speaker 1: IT i think you're, right and it's. Crazy you Saw
Speaker 1: Steve alfred's rant about, it which was, entertaining and a
Speaker 1: lot of what he said is. True but, listen and
Speaker 1: what's also true is college basketball needs. Rivalries they need
Speaker 1: people to. Stay so you Need hurley And patino for
Speaker 1: another few years because there is real tension there in that,
Speaker 1: relationship and that's a very good. THING i just Think
Speaker 1: Dan hurley overall is good for sports and college basketball
Speaker 1: because you need villains, Too AND i think dynasties are.
Speaker 1: GOOD i think evil empires are. Good villains are. Good
Speaker 1: you need. That a's, right college basketball has been a
Speaker 1: three to four week. Sport and In New, York New
Speaker 1: york's really a pro. Town but When Saint john's is this,
Speaker 1: Good Saint john's can take over In New York. City
Speaker 1: it can Take New york away from The. Knicks, yeah
Speaker 1: and SO i, listen What's Rick patino now seventy. TWO
Speaker 1: i think he can coach another five. Years he's got
Speaker 1: so much energy and now everybody is going to want
Speaker 1: to play for. Him yukon is always going to get.
Speaker 1: Players Dan hurley is going to win at least another championship,
Speaker 1: TWO i do think at some, point and he'll try
Speaker 1: THE nba maybe a little bit down the. Road but
Speaker 1: that That Hurley patino thing you could that could carry the,
Speaker 1: sport particularly on The East, coast AND i think it
Speaker 1: plays out that. Way i'll wrap it up with.
Speaker 2: This you, KNOW i was saying this. Today it's easy
Speaker 2: to Hate. California the weather's, beautiful The california, economy our
Speaker 2: governor looks like an Older abercrombie And fitch. Model you,
Speaker 2: know all of our. Teams you, know it's it's the.
Speaker 2: Beaches BUT i also think the team's out here well.
Speaker 2: Run sean, McVay Jim, harbaugh The, dodgers research and development and.
Speaker 2: Scouting The yankees make about one hundred and fifty million
Speaker 2: more annually a year than The.
Speaker 1: Dodgers.
Speaker 2: Do believe it or, not but The, dodgers because of
Speaker 2: the way they have structured, contracts have literally An All star.
Speaker 2: Team i'm not Sure i've ever seen an entire roster
Speaker 2: that has like five starting pitchers with or without Show
Speaker 2: Heyo tani and A Freddie FREEMAN mooki but Show Heyo,
Speaker 2: Tani Max Muncy Teoscar. Hernandez it's just like one big
Speaker 2: bat after. Another so When Garrett cole goes down And soto,
Speaker 2: leaves you, know there's this there's this sense Of, okay
Speaker 2: let's let's just go get, somebody and you, KNOW i
Speaker 2: kind of look at, it and it's not that they
Speaker 2: don't have the, money and it's not that they don't
Speaker 2: have the stomach for. It BUT i feel Like George,
Speaker 2: steinbrenner there was you, know he made his MONEY i
Speaker 2: think In cleveland initially or. Something IF i recall, Them,
Speaker 2: yeah but if you look At, STEINBRENNER i don't know
Speaker 2: what they did on an annual. Basis but not all
Speaker 2: his business decisions were good. Decisions they weren't all good financial.
Speaker 2: DECISIONS i, mean he's buying guys left and. RIGHT i
Speaker 2: See yankee fans complain about like the kids don't want
Speaker 2: it as much As.
Speaker 1: George is that? Fair you needs to KNOW i think that,
Speaker 1: certainly How steinbrener is. Pood he's not. Cheap he Gave
Speaker 1: Aaron judge the big money when he had, to and
Speaker 1: he Offered sodo seven hundred and sixty million, Dollars so
Speaker 1: it's hard to say he's, cheap, CERTAINLY i think relative
Speaker 1: to his. File here's one thing that's, different and you,
Speaker 1: know we haven't. Seen we didn't get a chance See
Speaker 1: George steinbernner in this era of baseball competing against That dodger,
Speaker 1: ownership WHICH i believe is an investment firm with about
Speaker 1: three hundred billion dollars in. Assets george didn't have to
Speaker 1: compete against The guggenheim, partners, Right, so But, george one
Speaker 1: thing that's. Different how three years, AGO i believe it
Speaker 1: was in spring, training talked to some beat writers and
Speaker 1: they questioned him about the payroll and some money that
Speaker 1: wasn't being spent on. Talent and he said that there
Speaker 1: are banks and partners and lenders THAT i have to
Speaker 1: deal with AND i have to answer. To AND i
Speaker 1: can tell you, This. COLIN i had a lot of
Speaker 1: conversations With george steinbern over the. YEARS i never heard
Speaker 1: him talk about a, bank a, lender a, bondholder a. Partner,
Speaker 1: ever he did not. CARE i ACTUALLY i, think LIKE
Speaker 1: i don't know if he cared about turning a. PROFIT
Speaker 1: i just think that he was so driven to win
Speaker 1: and win it all. COSTS i actually think even if
Speaker 1: he couldn't afford, IT i don't know if he would
Speaker 1: have Let Steve cohen get Lon. So And i'm not
Speaker 1: criticizing How steinbrenner for laying out seven hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: million dollars and not giving him a. SUITE i think
Speaker 1: that you, know you, Know casmine, said we didn't Give
Speaker 1: derek J, orst we didn't Give garrett coleas. Sweet we
Speaker 1: didn't give It Oun judge a sweep for. Free if
Speaker 1: you want a sweet and we're giving me a seven
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty million, dollars you got to pay for.
Speaker 1: It i'm. SORRY i have no problem with that. Stance
Speaker 1: BUT i do think there is a, difference certainly in
Speaker 1: the approach Of George steinbrenner and HOW i think you
Speaker 1: have to put it in. Context hal is dealing with
Speaker 1: the gougenheind, partners And george did not have to deal with.
Speaker 1: That one Thing i'd say About, SOTO i don't. KNOW
Speaker 1: i don't THINK i would have made that move to The.
Speaker 1: Mets the money was just a little, different and it
Speaker 1: seemed like he Preferred Steve cohen's To. How's BUT i
Speaker 1: grew up A yankees. Fan i'm. BIASED i was A
Speaker 1: Thurman reggie guy in the, seventies AND i don't Leave
Speaker 1: Aaron judge AND i don't leave that right field, ports
Speaker 1: AND i don't leave the tradition when you can be
Speaker 1: the Next Mickey manno With Joe DiMaggio and you're twenty,
Speaker 1: five twenty six years, old you stay with The. Yankees
Speaker 1: but he decided to go to The. Mets the problem
Speaker 1: is now that he goes to The, mets he made
Speaker 1: it that much harder to get to The World. Series
Speaker 1: why because in The American, league who do The yankees
Speaker 1: even Without Garrett cale now Without heel without stand for a?
Speaker 1: While The American, league who are they dealing? With who
Speaker 1: do they have to get? Through then you look at
Speaker 1: The National. League you've got to get through The. Dodgers
Speaker 1: you've got to get through The, braves you got to
Speaker 1: get through The, phillies maybe a little bit The, plotgers
Speaker 1: but particularly The. Dodgers you don't put yourself on the
Speaker 1: same side of the draw as The Los Angeles. Dodgers
Speaker 1: and that's What soto did by going to The. Mets
Speaker 1: and if he ends up winning three rings over the next, twelve,
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen, years god bless. Him BUT i just think
Speaker 1: he made it that much harder to do by going
Speaker 1: to The National.
Speaker 2: YEAH i think THAT'S i think that's really well. PUT i, Mean,
Speaker 2: god The podres are. YOUNG i mean LIKE i have
Speaker 2: like either six six or seven really good players in their.
Speaker 2: Prime had a guy that could have Been rookie of
Speaker 2: The year last. Year dodgers are stacked acunya back for The.
Speaker 2: Braves it really. Is and for the, record you, know
Speaker 2: nobody would be shocked if The phillies end up in
Speaker 2: the you, Know National League Championship series against The. Dodgers so,
Speaker 2: yeah WHEREAS i feel like we've seen the best Of,
Speaker 2: HOUSTON i kind of feel like we've seen the best of.
Speaker 2: It maybe that's not, true but some of those players
Speaker 2: that were in their prime four years ago or they're
Speaker 2: just you, know it doesn't feel quite the.
Speaker 1: Same, so you, know The Red sox are better with breg,
Speaker 1: mean they're a fact. Now and, yeah so you, know
Speaker 1: The yankees will have to certainly deal with, them but
Speaker 1: they own The Central every, year whenever they play one
Speaker 1: of those teams in the, playoffs they. Win and so,
Speaker 1: YEAH i just that's really WHAT i looked at more
Speaker 1: than anything else when so was making a. Decisions, First
Speaker 1: i'm not Leading Aaron. Judge is it possible that he, Said,
Speaker 1: okay we're the modern Day ruth And. Gereg he's always
Speaker 1: going to Be. Ruth i'm always going to Be. Gereg
Speaker 1: IF i go to The, Mets i'm There. Ruth and
Speaker 1: he's the best player they've likely ever. Had and SO
Speaker 1: i don't know if being the, man for lack of
Speaker 1: a better, term Was i'm courting to. Him it's not
Speaker 1: something he ever, verbalized but now there's no question that's
Speaker 1: his team with The. Yankees it was always going to
Speaker 1: be one in ONE a and he was ONE. A
Speaker 1: my suspicion is human nature being what it is that
Speaker 1: was something of a factor in his.
Speaker 2: Decision ian, O'Connor he'll have a book coming. Out it's
Speaker 2: a while down the, road in about six seven. Months
Speaker 2: it's With Dan, Hurley Never Stop, Life leadership and what
Speaker 2: it takes to be. Great Dan hurley coming out In
Speaker 2: september one of my. Favorites now you're not writing a column.
Speaker 2: ANYMORE i know that was your, choice just you know
Speaker 2: the regression of that side of the. Business everything, Changes
Speaker 2: you're busier with your family than. Ever do you just
Speaker 2: wake up one day and, Say i've been a columnist
Speaker 2: a long, TIME i want to do the book.
Speaker 1: Thing that pretty much was. IT i was doing, both
Speaker 1: and it got to a point where the workload was
Speaker 1: such THAT i don't know IF i could do books
Speaker 1: the WAY i want to do them and dive in
Speaker 1: and talk to hundreds of people and report the hell
Speaker 1: out of these things and still write four or five
Speaker 1: columns a. Week And i'm not Saying i'll never go
Speaker 1: back to. IT i don't know If i'll go back
Speaker 1: to it full. Time, yeah column writing is a little
Speaker 1: bit of a lost. Art it's. UNFORTUNATE i still think
Speaker 1: there's a real place for it and commentary in this,
Speaker 1: country and there are some people who are just incredible.
Speaker 1: Calumnists and obviously we Lost John, feinstein who was a
Speaker 1: great commis beside being an, author and he was SOMEONE
Speaker 1: i always looked up to as just a guy who
Speaker 1: was great at both and could do both and was
Speaker 1: so prolific AND i admired that and envied. It and
Speaker 1: one thing About, John and let's say you're the same
Speaker 1: Way colin right running to you. Somewhere we could just
Speaker 1: have a regular conversation talk about five million. Things john
Speaker 1: was a real titan of the. Industry and yet AND
Speaker 1: i used to tell him, this we'd sit down at
Speaker 1: The masters and have conversations about. Anything AND i, say
Speaker 1: a lot of people who've achieved what you have in
Speaker 1: our industry would not have this conversation with. Me you
Speaker 1: just would be. Unapproachable don't ever. Change if you, Change
Speaker 1: i'm going to call you out On and he used to.
Speaker 1: Laugh so if you ever got a little, arrogant which
Speaker 1: he would at, TIMES i would, say are you turning
Speaker 1: into that? PERSON i warned you not to turn Into
Speaker 1: and we would get a kick out of. That but,
Speaker 1: Yeah so there's a person who did it for so
Speaker 1: long at such a high, level both being a columnist
Speaker 1: a lot of college basketball but other sports as, well
Speaker 1: and an. Author that's the AND i really looked up
Speaker 1: to in this, business probably more than.
Speaker 2: Anyone how was the Book season on The brink viewed
Speaker 2: among writers? Transcendent?
Speaker 1: Yeah it still. Is AND i think his passing, unfortunately
Speaker 1: BUT i think we'll send younger people maybe who didn't
Speaker 1: get a chance to read, it back to that and
Speaker 1: and and look at it and see it created a
Speaker 1: genre of books and it was just so so. Good
Speaker 1: and WHEN i WHAT i love column is That COACH.
Speaker 1: K And i'm, Sorry i'm not going to be able
Speaker 1: to credit the reporter who got this, interview But i'd
Speaker 1: have been peteammam. M i'd have Been pat. Forty but
Speaker 1: somebody talked To COACH k the other day and When
Speaker 1: john passed, away and he said that he basically Said
Speaker 1: knight didn't understand That john really did him a. Favor
Speaker 1: he he Showed Bob, knight the Real Bob, knight to the,
Speaker 1: reader to the, fan and that that's that book was
Speaker 1: a great, book and it Portrayed knight the right way
Speaker 1: and it was very. Fair AND i was glad That
Speaker 1: COACH k said that on the record because WHEN i
Speaker 1: read that, BOOK i did not Think knight was portrayed
Speaker 1: as a. Monster AND i KNOW i didn't, either BUT
Speaker 1: i think a lot of, PEOPLE i Think bob might
Speaker 1: thought he was portrayed as a as a, monster and he.
Speaker 1: Wasn't he humanisted him in, FACT i thought he did
Speaker 1: him a. Favor so, yeah that that. BOOK i have
Speaker 1: never met a sports writer as bitter as sometimes we can.
Speaker 1: Be whoever said anything but just extraordinary things about that. Work,
Speaker 1: now some Of john's other books maybe didn't max that
Speaker 1: would be impossible to churn out book kept matching that
Speaker 1: that level of. Greatness but that is right there With
Speaker 1: moranis's book On Vince lombardi as among the two or
Speaker 1: three best sports Books i've ever.
Speaker 2: Read ian O'Connor is ALWAYS i love talking to, you.
Speaker 2: MAN i WISH i lived out see you more. Often,
Speaker 2: yeah well i'd.
Speaker 1: Listen it's it's always an honor to be with you
Speaker 1: and a pleasure and just thanks for having.
Speaker 2: Me