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Pretty impressive resume. Has got a new 22 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: one coming out with Dan Hurley, which is fascinating because 23 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: Hurley and Yukon have had a spirited and disappointing season. 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 2: And the book is coming out in September called Never 25 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: Stop Life, Leadership and What it Takes to Be Great, 26 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: co written with Dan Hurley. I want to get to 27 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: that in a second. I want to start with Rick 28 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: Batino and Saint John's. So, for the uninitiated, Saint John's 29 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: is in Queens, one of the five boroughs. Used to 30 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: be in Brooklyn. Actually a long time ago Catholic university 31 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 2: between the airports is how I remember being described to 32 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: me one time. And it was in the Big East, 33 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: which is the greatest basketball conference, the most personality filled 34 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 2: basketball conference at its best in the history, between players 35 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: and coaches, and so Louis carnaseca Ages leaves, it's not 36 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: the same university many people tried. Then one of the 37 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: great coaches of all time, Rick Batino and New Yorker 38 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: gets the job. 39 00:01:59,000 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: So let's start with that. 40 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: I couldn't say the last time Duke and Saint John's 41 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: both had a chance to win the title in the 42 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: same tournament. So it's a fascinating tournament. But when Rick 43 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: took the job, I mean I said this the other day. 44 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: You know, his moral compass has sometimes flipped around. But 45 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: in terms of basketball iq EQ and program building, he 46 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: is He is parcels plus Urban Meyer. You know, he 47 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: is just one of these guys that can do a 48 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh. What is the secret sauce? 49 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 1: You know? Rick? 50 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: What is his secret sauce? What's different between Rick and 51 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 2: so many other coaches that go to these programs? I 52 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 2: own a Saint John's and just make it work quickly. 53 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: Great question, And I think, first of all, I think 54 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: the two best coaches in the history of the sport 55 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: are John Wooden and Mike Sizhevsky. So if you look 56 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: at their bodies of work, yeah, I think they're the 57 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: top two. But I also believe Rick Patino is just 58 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: as good as they were. I think that he's as 59 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: good as any college basketball coach ever. And it's just 60 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: the ferocity with which he gets his kids to play defense. 61 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: And it really works at Saint John's, and of course 62 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: it worked at Louisville, it worked at Kentucky and to Providence. 63 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: But he's such a New Yorker and that is such 64 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: a New York style of play on the playgrounds that 65 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: it really translates. And this has been a very likable 66 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 1: team the city has fallen in love with Saint John's. Now, 67 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: when I started my career, Saint John's would take the 68 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: back page of the tabloids away from the Knicks, and 69 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: so it's been a long time since that was possible. Now. 70 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: Of course, the tabloids aren't what they used to be 71 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: in New York or newspapers anywhere, of course, but Saint 72 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: John's is now a team that the city has embraced. 73 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: And Patino that style of played. He did it even 74 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: with the mix, pressing, defense, attention to detail, just playing 75 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: with that ferocity. And yeah, I don't know if I've 76 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: ever seen a coach get his kids consistently to play 77 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: any harder than Rick Patino's teams everywhere he's been, including 78 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: in the NBA outside of the Celtics. But yeah, he's 79 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: an amazing when it comes to x's and o's and 80 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: motivation and recruiting, He's an amazing coach, There's no question 81 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: about it. 82 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: So it is very unique I have them making the 83 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,559 Speaker 2: Final four. They don't shoot threes particularly well, but either 84 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: does half ninety percent of the field. I mean, you 85 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: see San Diego's rare BYU is rare. Saint John's can't 86 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: shoot threes, Houston's not great at it, Michigan State can't. 87 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: I mean I watched Michigan Michigan State play a couple 88 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: of weeks ago, and Michigan State ends up scoring in 89 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: the eighties. I don't know how, but they get there. 90 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: So I don't really use that as a deficit. I 91 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 2: think Saint John's can muscle and defend and coach its 92 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: way to the final four. But I'll go being back 93 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 2: to my an initial point. You know Duke basketball because 94 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: of the book on Coach k which I strongly recommend 95 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: if you've never read it, it is I think it's. 96 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: In my opinion, I think it's your best book, and. 97 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: I've read all of them. I loved it. 98 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: Duke is the most talented team Coach K leaves. And 99 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 2: usually it almost always works this way. You give it 100 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: to a popular assistant coach and he just doesn't have 101 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: the gravitas or the weight to hold this massive brand afloat. 102 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 2: But Duke this year feels like to me, the odds 103 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: on favorite, like if they want, it's the only team 104 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: you wouldn't even ask how you'd go. Okay, Cooper flag, 105 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: are you surprised by Coach k leaves, and yet Duke 106 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 2: remains vibrant. 107 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: No, I'm not surprised, Colin. I think Duke does recruit 108 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: itself to some degree. But John Schier's recruiting has been 109 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: unbelievable since coach k left. And you start with that. 110 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: Of course, that's the lifeblood of college basketball in all 111 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: college sports, and he's been terrific at that. And he's 112 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: just a really good coach too, in terms of ex's 113 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: and o's. But if you look at that team right now, 114 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: it's almost a perfect college basketball team. They've got the 115 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: big man who's seven to two with an incredible wingspan. 116 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: He's a top ten, top fifteen NBA pick. You've got 117 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: a forward who's a top fifteen on one side. On 118 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: the other side, you've got one of the best freshmen 119 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: we've ever seen in college basketball, who's the number one pick, 120 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: assuming he's healthy and he looks like he's going to play. 121 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: And in the backcourt you've got two guys who are six' 122 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: five at. Guard, now, yeah maybe the one question mark 123 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: you have against a team that has, smaller quicker, guards 124 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: maybe that's a little bit of an. Issue but, size, 125 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: skill the, coaching the, pedigree everything is in place For 126 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: duke to win the national. CHAMPIONSHIP i actually don't think they, 127 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: will BUT i certainly wouldn't be surprised if they, do 128 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: because they probably do have the best. TEAM i actually 129 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: Think houston is going to win the national. Title and 130 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: it's a bit of a strange. REASON i just Think 131 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: Kelvin sampson has been such a good coach for so 132 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: long it seems to me that he's going to get 133 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: one before he. Retires and you, look, REALLY i know 134 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: that's kind of a funny, reason but if you look 135 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: at the way they, defend they have, guards AND i 136 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: just think at some point he's going to pick one. 137 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: Off John shire is very worthy coach of winning a 138 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: national telegraphy recall from my, Book COACH k wanted him 139 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: to be the. Coach the university actually Wanted Tommy amacker 140 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: to be the next head, coach But COACH k sort 141 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: of got his way on that, one and, frankly you 142 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: cannot argue with the. Results John shire is ben. 143 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: Tremendous, yeah for the, uninitiated, again for the people that 144 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: don't follow due closely or college, basketball what was? Boy 145 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: that must have been, tough remember reading about it in 146 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: your book you Have amaker And shire and you know 147 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: and here comes COACH. K eventually you know he's going 148 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: to make a. Choice what Is shire's, strength what's this 149 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: foundational piece that made him the? Choice and why you 150 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: Think COACH k eventually leaned to. 151 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: Him because he was in his. System it had been 152 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: a long time Since amiker had been an assistant At. 153 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: Duke of, course he was a very important player in 154 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: the development of that championship program Under COACH k and 155 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: has done a good job in The Ivy. League But 156 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: shire was. There shire was a great. Player he was 157 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: going to play of THE nba serious eye injury early 158 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: in what would have BEEN i think a pretty GOOD nba. 159 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: Career but the way he relates to. Kids i've had 160 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: just a couple of conversations with, him but been around 161 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: enough people who are in his world, consistently and he's 162 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: just a very relatable. Guy and SO i think the 163 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: fact that he was a, really really good player there 164 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: and the fact that he is he's got the right 165 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: personality to connect with. People he obviously has THE x 166 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: AND o background From COACH, k and you put it all, 167 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: together and, again it is a campus that does recruit 168 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: itself to some, degree and a program that does recruit 169 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: itself to some. Degree it's a pretty powerful. Combination SO 170 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: i said this the other day on the. 171 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: Show you, know OBVIOUSLY i was in The northeast for 172 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 2: ten and a half, years but one of the THINGS 173 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 2: i observed WHEN i was in the city a lot 174 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: or near it In connecticut is, that you, know there's 175 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 2: a lot Of yankee And met, fans and a lot 176 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: Of giant And jet, fans but everybody In New york 177 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: likes The. 178 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: Knicks it's just. 179 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: Every single FRIEND i had In New, york and many of, 180 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: them more than The yankees Or, giants Were nick fans. 181 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: First and, Again i'm old enough to remember The Walt, 182 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: Fraser Bill, Bradley Earl. Monroe, yet LIKE i go back 183 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 2: to the seventies when nobody. Won you, know The lakers 184 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 2: won a, title The warriors, did The Washington bullets, did The, 185 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: sonics The, blazers The, knicks and then there were the 186 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: Pat riley. Iterations BUT i always, Said, god If dolan 187 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: could get out of the, way this city loves its 188 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 2: team so. Much AND i think when the sphere got 189 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 2: built for two, Years dolan removed himself from the. FACILITY 190 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: i mean literally. Physically he was In vegas so often 191 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: and it allowed The knicks to really grow this really 192 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: strong basketball, group AND i think they've made very, patient 193 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 2: very sharp. MOVES i don't think kat is the, future 194 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: BUT i think he was the right move at the right. 195 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: Time but there was a moment Between tibbs And Josh 196 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: hart the other day And Mikhale bridges it was public 197 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 2: that he had gone To. Tibbs, hey we need to 198 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: play the starters. Less you, know young players don't get 199 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: a lot of work and minutes Under. Tibbs as great 200 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: as the brief journey has been With, tom it does feel, 201 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: like does it not Ian to get to the next, 202 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: level you need two. Moves Karl Anthony towns probably gets 203 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: replaced with a better defensive big or just like A, 204 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: kd a greater, player And tibbs may not be the. 205 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 2: Answer or is that me three thousand miles away Guessing. 206 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: NO i think it's possible that's the. CASE i do 207 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: Think tibbs is good and not to win a championship 208 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: as a head. Coach they losing the second round again this. 209 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: YEAR i don't think he'll get replaced BECAUSE i think 210 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: he'll lose to a better. TEAM i think The celtics are, 211 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: better and surprisingly, ENOUGH i did not think The cavs 212 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: would be, better but they. Are they just are so 213 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: if they lose in the second, round to say The, 214 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: celtics defire the guy off that you're losing to a better. 215 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: Team The celtics have better. Players The knicks have improved 216 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: their rosters. Certainly AND i didn't Think Jalen. BRUNSON i 217 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: wasn't sure if he'd be this or could be the 218 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: second best player on a championship team when they acquired. 219 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: Him NOW i do think he could be one of 220 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: the top, two if not the best player on a championship. 221 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: Team he's an incredible, player AND i think a lot 222 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: of people In New york were surprised by. THAT i 223 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: think where The knicks are right now is it's kind 224 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: of funny Because jets fans have been complaining and complaining 225 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: About Woody, johnson the owner for a long. Time If 226 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: Woody johnson, hires we'll find out if he did the 227 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: right general manager And mouji and the right head coach 228 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: And Aaron. Glenn he's going to go away And jets 229 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: fans will never talk about. Him knicks fans are not 230 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: talking About Jim dollon and they haven't now for a 231 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: number of years because he hired the right general. Manager 232 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: AND i was a. Gamble Leon rose had never done this. 233 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: Job he was a very good age and he had 234 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: never been a general, manager and early ON i wasn't so. 235 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: Sure but turns out he knows what he's, doing And, 236 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: tims of, course everybody knew he knew what he was. 237 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: Doing he's proven that he could be a very valuable 238 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: piece of a coaching staff that won a championship In 239 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: boston Under Doc, rivers and so is. He it's almost 240 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: Like Buck showalter did all the dirty work on The 241 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: yankees in the mid nineties and then he got replaced 242 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: By Joe, tory And Joe tory then won a Flor World. 243 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: Series So i'm not saying that the Next knicks coach 244 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: is gonna win four titles in the next five years 245 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: after that, happens BUT i think that he's going to 246 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: get one more year after another second round, exit maybe 247 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: The knicks will surprise us and win that second round 248 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: matchup with say The. CELTICS i don't think that will, 249 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: happen BUT i do think you're right in terms of the, 250 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: roster it looks like they're still believe it or. Not 251 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: after all the moves they've made and what five number 252 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: one picks For bridges and then they made The cat 253 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: deal and They brunson deal was an incredible. One it 254 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: still looks like they need to make one more move 255 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: and Maybe kat is a part of that. Package but, 256 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: yeah right, now it's just they're in a tough way 257 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: because of The celtics being in their, way and now 258 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: The cavs have hurdled, them and they sure look like 259 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: they're for. Real. 260 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 2: YEAH i think The hertenstein, move WHICH i think they 261 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 2: were kind of, trapped there's not much they could. DO 262 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 2: i thought he added some real toughness and rebounding that's 263 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 2: very hard to. Replace kat is a more gifted offensive, 264 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: player but he's not the toughest guy in the, league 265 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 2: and he's a poor. 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FINE i don't think he's quite as committed 310 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 2: as the young great, ones AND i don't think he 311 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 2: moves like the young great. Ones he's. Smart but When 312 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 2: Aaron glenn came in and for the second time In aaron's, 313 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: career he was caught off guard a little by a 314 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 2: team saying, hey, thanks but no. Thanks according to reports 315 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: that you, Know aaron had flown across country meeting with, 316 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: him And Aaron glenn was, like we're gonna move on 317 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: and to me downgraded at. QUARTERBACK i, mean when you 318 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: write a book On, aaron you think you have a 319 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 2: feel or a vibe for. HIM i said this the other. 320 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: Day if The vikings say, no, THANKS i think he. 321 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: Retires when you look at how the season went and 322 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: now we're in this flux, period are you surprised or 323 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: could you have predicted it based on the over one 324 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 2: hundred people you talk to in the conversation With. 325 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: AARON i Think i'm not surprised that HE i think 326 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: the overriding feeling right now is that he still wants 327 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: to play in maybe two. YEARS i had a friend 328 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: of his tell me two years a week, ago because 329 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: he kind of feels like this past Season colin was 330 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: a rehab, year and so if he has a good 331 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, FIVE i really do expect him to try 332 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: to play in twenty. Six but we'll even play at, 333 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: All retirement is on the. Table THINK i don't think 334 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: The vikings are going to sign. Him that would be 335 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: the best case. Scenario but if You let's say you 336 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: put The vikings roster or The, steelers and The giants 337 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: had an equivalent talent base as The, vikings same, coaching same. 338 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: TALENT i actually think he picked The giants because he 339 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: does really like living in The New, York New jersey, 340 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: area despite the fact that The jets thing was effectively 341 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: a two year. DISASTER i do think if The giants 342 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: had A vikings, ROSTER i actually think he would pick The. 343 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: Giants he has respect for that. Organization they've had good. 344 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: Conversations i've talked to a couple people with The giants 345 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: who said they have no issues with him as a 346 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: locker room. Presence as a. Personality, ah they don't. Care 347 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: they think he's the best available quarterback and they won. 348 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: Him they've made a good. Offer IF i had to 349 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: put twenty bucks down, TODAY i think he'll be the 350 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: starting quarterback for The steelers BECAUSE i think he'd prefer The. 351 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: Vikings but The, STEELERS i, think really do want. Him 352 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: they've made that, clear And Mike tomlin gives him the 353 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: kind of coaching last Year. Colin i've been doing this 354 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 1: almost forty years in The New york. Market that is 355 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: one of the two or three worst coaching Jobs i've 356 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,479 Speaker 1: ever seen in any sport In New. York and so 357 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: to go from that To Mike, tomlin If Mike tomlin 358 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: coached the twenty twenty Four, jets they would have gone 359 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: ten and. Seven i'm convinced of. That that was a 360 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: ten and seventeen that went five and twelve with horrific. 361 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: Coaching SO i think with The steelers and with the 362 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: playmakers they have now and roster and particularly the, COACHING 363 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: i Think aaron can go ten and, seven maybe eleven and, 364 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: six and get back in the. Playoffs and maybe that's 365 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 1: the way to end his. CAREER i think where The 366 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: giants are right now because they don't have that roster 367 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: that we're talking about early with The, vikings he's looking 368 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: at that, saying, geez DO i want to finish my 369 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: career going five and twelve for One New york team 370 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: and five and twelve for. Another have you looked at 371 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: The giants home? Schedule let me run these eight games by, 372 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: you and you tell me they're gonna play nine on 373 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: the road next year and eight at. Home you tell 374 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: me who The giants are beating from this? Crew, Dallas, 375 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: OKAY i think they can Beat. Dallas but then they're 376 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: playing at, Home, Philly, Washington Green, Bay Kansas, city The, 377 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 1: chargers The, vikings and the forty nine. Ers how many 378 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: of those games are they? Winning maybe two if they're, 379 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: lucky they go two and six at. Home then on 380 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: the road they're At, dallas they're At, Philly they're At, 381 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: Washington they're At, denver they're At. Detroit how many those 382 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: games are they? Winning SO i Think aaron is smart 383 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: enough to look at that and, say DO i really 384 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: want to go five and? Twelve even IF i played? 385 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: Better and even THOUGH i don't think The jet thing 386 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,719 Speaker 1: is really going to hurt his, LEGACY i don't think 387 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: ten fifteen years from, now when he's already in The 388 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: hall Of fame as A, packer people are going to 389 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: be talking about his experience with The. Jets but if 390 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 1: he does that again with a second, TEAM i do 391 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: Think kle hurt his. Legacy so to, me if The 392 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: vikings aren't interested and they're going with McCarthy pretty much right, 393 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: AWAY i think The steelers make a lot of. SENSE 394 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: i Think tomlin is a built in insurance policy that 395 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: it won't be a. DISASTER i think he should do. 396 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: THAT i think he'll play. BETTER i think he'll make the, 397 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: playoffs and that's the way to go, out. 398 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: All. RIGHT i want to go back to. Basketball Dan 399 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,959 Speaker 2: hurley and The hurley. Family obviously they're, smart they're. Aggressive 400 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 2: they're sort of baked into our college basketball ideology and. 401 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 2: Culture over the course of my, life you, know the, 402 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 2: dad the, Coach Bobby dan the only Thing i've ever 403 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: worried About Dan, Hurley AND i think this is sort 404 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 2: of a problem that arises with great success and the 405 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: kind of personality types that often flourish in college which 406 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 2: are you, know they. Need they're very good with. Control Nick, 407 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 2: Saban Bobby, Knight Urban. Meyer they flourish with. Control that's 408 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 2: why they don't like professional. Football they lack they don't 409 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 2: have they can't get their arms quite around the. Program 410 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: you're dealing with, agents you're dealing with impulsive. Owners so 411 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 2: it's like the duality of. Life your greatest strength as 412 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: often becomes a. Burden AND i look At Dan hurley's 413 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 2: kind of treatment of the, officials and there's there's talk that, 414 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 2: he's you, know he's gotten more difficult in the athletic. 415 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,239 Speaker 2: DEPARTMENT i see that he's co writing a book with 416 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: you instead of you know you're writing it. Is AND 417 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 2: i look at this From afar BECAUSE i like And 418 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: i've talked to, him AND i really like, him AND 419 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 2: i really Enjoy WHEN i was In, CONNECTICUT i became 420 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 2: very fond of The yukon, program AND i think one 421 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: of the great coaches of my time Is Jim, calhoun 422 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: who built a powerhouse in, Stores. Connecticut you've been around. 423 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: Him this? 424 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: Season was it as ugly close to the program as 425 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 2: it was from the outside starting in that was It Maui, 426 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: tournament you, know early in the, Season lovely And. 427 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: Howie but they recovered from, that and he did to some. 428 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: EXTENT i think he was wounded by some of the 429 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: criticism but later acknowledge that his behavior on the sideline 430 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: was too. Much it was over the. Top AND i 431 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: think he only has the one technical on the, mainland 432 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: as he said, recently and that was. It and he 433 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: did get caught Saying i'm the best coach in the bleeping. 434 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: Sport he didn't know the camera was on. Him of, 435 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: course he had the thing Of, creighton the two, rings two, Rings, 436 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: baldy AND i Think i'll know that one didn't bother 437 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: me so much because it Was Dollar Beer night At. 438 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: Creighton so you invited a guy From Jersey city to 439 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 1: Dollar Beer, night you cursed him out for two hours 440 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: and fifteen, minutes and then on his way off the 441 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: court following his, interview he got cursed out again and 442 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: he said some, things AND i didn't have a problem with. 443 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: That so BUT i think That yukon has been all 444 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: over the map with this. Season at, times they've looked 445 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: like a top ten. Team After, maui They Beacon, Zaga 446 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: texas And, baylor and once McNeely got hurt and missed eight, 447 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: games he's their best. Player he's going to be a lottery. 448 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: Pick just the season sort of went sideways a little. 449 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: Bit it's been inconsistent better of. Late they've won what 450 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: five of their last, six and of course lose To 451 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: creighton in The Big East. Semis but they're a. Team 452 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: i'll say This, colin they And DAN i actually think 453 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: has done a really really good coaching. Job roster construction 454 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: maybe not so. Much it's almost like he's overcome his 455 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: own construction of the. Roster and there are a lot 456 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: of holes with this, team and he's coached his way 457 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: around those holes and got them to a point Where, 458 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: okay they're an eight. SEED i think they'll Beat, oklahoma 459 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: AND i think they'll Scare florida in round two and 460 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: probably lose that. Game but if you told, me and 461 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: the way this season has, gone if you told me 462 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: they could Upset florida in round, TWO i would believe. 463 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: It if you told me they were going to lose 464 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: To oklahoma in round, ONE i would believe. It that's 465 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: the way this season is. Gone But i'll say, this 466 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: If i'm The, Gators i'd feel wronged a little, bit 467 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: like you're tell me after the season we've. Had as 468 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: a number one, Seed i'm Getting Dan hurley and The. Huskies, 469 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: yeah the team at certain points of this year they 470 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: played like a top ten team and there are two 471 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: time defending. CHAMPION i don't want them in the second 472 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: round as the number one. Seed, so, yeah it listened With. 473 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: Hurley it's always interesting behind the. Scenes one Thing COLIN 474 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: i think a lot of people don't realize. NATIONALLY i 475 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: think In connecticut they. Do it's behind the. Scenes he 476 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: has a holistic approach to coaching his. Kids they know 477 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: he loves. 478 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 2: Them. 479 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: Now that's not something he grew up with with his. 480 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: Dad with coaches in The Big east with his own 481 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: coach in The Big. East but he learned and the 482 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: fact that he got screened at during games and he 483 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: remembers how that. Felt people don't realize that in, games 484 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: it is rare when he ever screams at an individual. Player, 485 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: now in, timeouts he'll get on the, group he'll challenge. 486 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: Them you have to do that as a. Coach, halftime 487 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: behind the closed locker room, door he'll he'll challenge. Guys 488 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: but during a, game in front of a lot of 489 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: people watching ON tv and in the, arena he almost never 490 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: screams out of. Player and there are times When i'm 491 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: looking for him to do it because some egregious mistake 492 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: would be, made and he doesn't do. It SO i 493 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: give him a lot of credit for. That AND i 494 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: just don't think he gets any credit for that as. 495 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, WELL i also think sometimes we, compare which 496 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 2: is of course The thief Of joy the thirty seven 497 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: and Three Yukon huskies that won the national. Title to, 498 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 2: me this is just my, opinion was the best college 499 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 2: basketball team from coaching to construction Since Billy donovan's two 500 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: time Champion Florida. Gators they could do. Everything they had 501 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: so much dexterity and, size the ability to defend the, 502 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 2: rim the, wing the. POINT i Thought Billy donovan's teams 503 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 2: that second year when he brought them all, back that 504 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 2: was a machine and they WERE i mean humiliating good. 505 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 2: TEAMS i Think yukon's the best Team i've seen since. 506 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 2: THEN i, mean all of those guys that went to THE, 507 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 2: nba From portland to Sant, tonio they've all been. Outstanding 508 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 2: SO i don't think. IT i think in TODAY'S, nil 509 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 2: when people cherry pick you and recruitings every man for, 510 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 2: HIMSELF i think we have to BE i, had Even 511 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 2: coach k had certain champions that didn't live up to 512 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: The Grant hill you, Know Bobby Hurley laytner level. TEAMS 513 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,479 Speaker 2: i think over the course of, Time Dan hurley may 514 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 2: look back and, Think, JESUS i was a young, coach 515 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 2: that's the best Team i've ever. HAD i, mean you, 516 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 2: know college, basketball you can be. ENCYCLOPEDIC i thought last 517 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: year's team was. INSANE i really. 518 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: DID i put last year's team right there with the 519 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: early Nineties vegas teams And duke, teams and those were machines, 520 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: Too even Though dukee Deraileds. VEGAS i think going into 521 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: that final, four that might have been the best Team 522 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: i'd ever SEE tark AND unlv and THEN i covered. 523 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: Them YEAH i know you. Did and yeah SO i 524 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: think The yukon team from last year and four guys 525 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: go to THE, nba and, yeah that's right there with 526 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: the best college basketball teams of my, lifetime no. Question 527 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: AND i think one thing that should be pointing out 528 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: Is Billy donovan off those back to BACK ncaa championship 529 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: teams didn't go to THE Ncaa tournament year. Three he 530 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: went to THE nit coach k wins back to back 531 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: in ninety, one ninety, two and ninety three loses in 532 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: the second. Round If Dan hurley can find a way 533 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: to Beat oklahoma and Then, florida he will be the 534 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: first coach Since John wooden with a back to back 535 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: championship team to get to The sweet. Sixteen that's how 536 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: hard it is to maintain. It now you look today 537 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: in college, sports maintaining anything is next to impossible because 538 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: there's perpetual free. Agency everyone's a free. AGENT i Think 539 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: dan in This austin he's really going to look at 540 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: because he likes building something and maybe adding pieces from other, 541 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: programs but not running a mercenary program where you're just 542 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: grabbing pieces from everywhere. Else he likes to build and 543 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: likes to have a core of homegrown. Talent but can 544 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: you do that? Now i'm Watching Saint john's Play yukon, 545 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: Right liam McNeely, Again top FIFTEEN nba pick best. Player 546 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: he's a. Freshman you're talking about a kid who's now 547 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: what eighteen nineteen years? Old AND i see him Covering 548 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: Kadari richmond Is Saint. John's Kadari richmond did a year 549 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: prep school and this is his fifth year in. College excellent, 550 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: player but he's like he's twenty. Four And i'm seeing 551 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: the two standing next to each. Other Kadari richmond looks 552 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: like AN nba, player physically strong and mature guy and 553 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: just knows how to play the. Game and McNeely looks 554 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: like a. Teenager so it's hard when you're playing against 555 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: these programs that have, older stronger guys who've played at multiple. 556 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: Schools good luck with. THAT i think the coaches who 557 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 1: like to build and keep homegrown, talent it's a bit 558 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: of a problem right. Now you know. 559 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 2: You have always picked iconic people to write books About, Belichick, jeter, 560 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: coach K Aaron. Rodgers Now Dan, hurley who if he 561 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 2: stays in college basketball for another, decade will win more. 562 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: Titles stores is built for, it and so is. He 563 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: and they really people, again they really, dominate like a 564 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 2: four state region of, recruiting which is you, know especially 565 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 2: if you look At, hurley you know they he gets those. 566 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 2: People just you know out. West they think there's so 567 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: much talent In Los, angeles but it gets. Splintered you, 568 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 2: KNOW ucla gets, ONE usc gets, One arizona gets, One 569 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: Gon zagon gets, One oregon gets. One boy in that northeast. 570 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: Corridor you, Know yukung can really get now That Jay wright's. 571 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 2: Gone he was getting THE dmv cherry picking that it's 572 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: Yu kon has a. Chance you, know it's just funny right, 573 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 2: Now yukon And Saint. John's If patino stays for five 574 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: years And hurley stays for five in this city that 575 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 2: we think about baseball and football in The, knicks he's 576 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 2: college basketball. 577 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: Programs it's like the halcyon days of the. Sport IT'S 578 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: i feel Like New. 579 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 2: York you, know everybody thinks college basketball is, dead but 580 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 2: with nil in a lot of these players are not 581 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 2: going to go to THE G. League they're going to 582 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 2: stay at college for one more. Year SO i feel 583 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 2: like college basketball has had like been semi. Dead it's 584 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 2: been a three week sport for a, decade AND i 585 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 2: kind of feel like THE nil is a life preserver for. 586 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: IT i think you're, right and it's. Crazy you Saw 587 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: Steve alfred's rant about, it which was, entertaining and a 588 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: lot of what he said is. True but, listen and 589 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: what's also true is college basketball needs. Rivalries they need 590 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: people to. Stay so you Need hurley And patino for 591 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: another few years because there is real tension there in that, 592 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: relationship and that's a very good. THING i just Think 593 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: Dan hurley overall is good for sports and college basketball 594 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: because you need villains, Too AND i think dynasties are. 595 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: GOOD i think evil empires are. Good villains are. Good 596 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: you need. That a's, right college basketball has been a 597 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: three to four week. Sport and In New, York New 598 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: york's really a pro. Town but When Saint john's is this, 599 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: Good Saint john's can take over In New York. City 600 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: it can Take New york away from The. Knicks, yeah 601 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: and SO i, listen What's Rick patino now seventy. TWO 602 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: i think he can coach another five. Years he's got 603 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: so much energy and now everybody is going to want 604 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: to play for. Him yukon is always going to get. 605 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: Players Dan hurley is going to win at least another championship, 606 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: TWO i do think at some, point and he'll try 607 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: THE nba maybe a little bit down the. Road but 608 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: that That Hurley patino thing you could that could carry the, 609 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: sport particularly on The East, coast AND i think it 610 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: plays out that. Way i'll wrap it up with. 611 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 2: This you, KNOW i was saying this. Today it's easy 612 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 2: to Hate. California the weather's, beautiful The california, economy our 613 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 2: governor looks like an Older abercrombie And fitch. Model you, 614 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 2: know all of our. Teams you, know it's it's the. 615 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 2: Beaches BUT i also think the team's out here well. 616 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 2: Run sean, McVay Jim, harbaugh The, dodgers research and development and. 617 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 2: Scouting The yankees make about one hundred and fifty million 618 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: more annually a year than The. 619 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: Dodgers. 620 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 2: Do believe it or, not but The, dodgers because of 621 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 2: the way they have structured, contracts have literally An All star. 622 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 2: Team i'm not Sure i've ever seen an entire roster 623 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 2: that has like five starting pitchers with or without Show 624 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 2: Heyo tani and A Freddie FREEMAN mooki but Show Heyo, 625 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 2: Tani Max Muncy Teoscar. Hernandez it's just like one big 626 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 2: bat after. Another so When Garrett cole goes down And soto, 627 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,479 Speaker 2: leaves you, know there's this there's this sense Of, okay 628 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 2: let's let's just go get, somebody and you, KNOW i 629 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 2: kind of look at, it and it's not that they 630 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 2: don't have the, money and it's not that they don't 631 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 2: have the stomach for. It BUT i feel Like George, 632 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 2: steinbrenner there was you, know he made his MONEY i 633 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 2: think In cleveland initially or. Something IF i recall, Them, 634 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 2: yeah but if you look At, STEINBRENNER i don't know 635 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 2: what they did on an annual. Basis but not all 636 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 2: his business decisions were good. Decisions they weren't all good financial. 637 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: DECISIONS i, mean he's buying guys left and. RIGHT i 638 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 2: See yankee fans complain about like the kids don't want 639 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 2: it as much As. 640 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: George is that? Fair you needs to KNOW i think that, 641 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: certainly How steinbrener is. Pood he's not. Cheap he Gave 642 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: Aaron judge the big money when he had, to and 643 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: he Offered sodo seven hundred and sixty million, Dollars so 644 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: it's hard to say he's, cheap, CERTAINLY i think relative 645 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: to his. File here's one thing that's, different and you, 646 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: know we haven't. Seen we didn't get a chance See 647 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: George steinbernner in this era of baseball competing against That dodger, 648 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 1: ownership WHICH i believe is an investment firm with about 649 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: three hundred billion dollars in. Assets george didn't have to 650 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: compete against The guggenheim, partners, Right, so But, george one 651 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: thing that's. Different how three years, AGO i believe it 652 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: was in spring, training talked to some beat writers and 653 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: they questioned him about the payroll and some money that 654 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,439 Speaker 1: wasn't being spent on. Talent and he said that there 655 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: are banks and partners and lenders THAT i have to 656 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: deal with AND i have to answer. To AND i 657 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: can tell you, This. COLIN i had a lot of 658 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: conversations With george steinbern over the. YEARS i never heard 659 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 1: him talk about a, bank a, lender a, bondholder a. Partner, 660 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: ever he did not. CARE i ACTUALLY i, think LIKE 661 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: i don't know if he cared about turning a. PROFIT 662 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: i just think that he was so driven to win 663 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: and win it all. COSTS i actually think even if 664 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: he couldn't afford, IT i don't know if he would 665 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: have Let Steve cohen get Lon. So And i'm not 666 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,959 Speaker 1: criticizing How steinbrenner for laying out seven hundred and sixty 667 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: million dollars and not giving him a. SUITE i think 668 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: that you, know you, Know casmine, said we didn't Give 669 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: derek J, orst we didn't Give garrett coleas. Sweet we 670 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: didn't give It Oun judge a sweep for. Free if 671 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: you want a sweet and we're giving me a seven 672 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty million, dollars you got to pay for. 673 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: It i'm. SORRY i have no problem with that. Stance 674 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: BUT i do think there is a, difference certainly in 675 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: the approach Of George steinbrenner and HOW i think you 676 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: have to put it in. Context hal is dealing with 677 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: the gougenheind, partners And george did not have to deal with. 678 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: That one Thing i'd say About, SOTO i don't. KNOW 679 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: i don't THINK i would have made that move to The. 680 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: Mets the money was just a little, different and it 681 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: seemed like he Preferred Steve cohen's To. How's BUT i 682 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: grew up A yankees. Fan i'm. BIASED i was A 683 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: Thurman reggie guy in the, seventies AND i don't Leave 684 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: Aaron judge AND i don't leave that right field, ports 685 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: AND i don't leave the tradition when you can be 686 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,760 Speaker 1: the Next Mickey manno With Joe DiMaggio and you're twenty, 687 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: five twenty six years, old you stay with The. Yankees 688 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: but he decided to go to The. Mets the problem 689 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: is now that he goes to The, mets he made 690 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: it that much harder to get to The World. Series 691 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: why because in The American, league who do The yankees 692 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: even Without Garrett cale now Without heel without stand for a? 693 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: While The American, league who are they dealing? With who 694 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: do they have to get? Through then you look at 695 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: The National. League you've got to get through The. Dodgers 696 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: you've got to get through The, braves you got to 697 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: get through The, phillies maybe a little bit The, plotgers 698 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: but particularly The. Dodgers you don't put yourself on the 699 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: same side of the draw as The Los Angeles. Dodgers 700 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: and that's What soto did by going to The. Mets 701 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: and if he ends up winning three rings over the next, twelve, 702 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen, years god bless. Him BUT i just think 703 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: he made it that much harder to do by going 704 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: to The National. 705 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 2: YEAH i think THAT'S i think that's really well. PUT i, Mean, 706 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 2: god The podres are. YOUNG i mean LIKE i have 707 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 2: like either six six or seven really good players in their. 708 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 2: Prime had a guy that could have Been rookie of 709 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 2: The year last. Year dodgers are stacked acunya back for The. 710 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 2: Braves it really. Is and for the, record you, know 711 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 2: nobody would be shocked if The phillies end up in 712 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 2: the you, Know National League Championship series against The. Dodgers so, 713 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 2: yeah WHEREAS i feel like we've seen the best Of, 714 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 2: HOUSTON i kind of feel like we've seen the best of. 715 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 2: It maybe that's not, true but some of those players 716 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 2: that were in their prime four years ago or they're 717 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 2: just you, know it doesn't feel quite the. 718 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,760 Speaker 1: Same, so you, know The Red sox are better with breg, 719 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: mean they're a fact. Now and, yeah so you, know 720 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: The yankees will have to certainly deal with, them but 721 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,839 Speaker 1: they own The Central every, year whenever they play one 722 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: of those teams in the, playoffs they. Win and so, 723 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: YEAH i just that's really WHAT i looked at more 724 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 1: than anything else when so was making a. Decisions, First 725 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: i'm not Leading Aaron. Judge is it possible that he, Said, 726 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,800 Speaker 1: okay we're the modern Day ruth And. Gereg he's always 727 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 1: going to Be. Ruth i'm always going to Be. Gereg 728 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,839 Speaker 1: IF i go to The, Mets i'm There. Ruth and 729 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: he's the best player they've likely ever. Had and SO 730 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: i don't know if being the, man for lack of 731 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: a better, term Was i'm courting to. Him it's not 732 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: something he ever, verbalized but now there's no question that's 733 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: his team with The. Yankees it was always going to 734 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: be one in ONE a and he was ONE. A 735 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: my suspicion is human nature being what it is that 736 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: was something of a factor in his. 737 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 2: Decision ian, O'Connor he'll have a book coming. Out it's 738 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 2: a while down the, road in about six seven. Months 739 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 2: it's With Dan, Hurley Never Stop, Life leadership and what 740 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 2: it takes to be. Great Dan hurley coming out In 741 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 2: september one of my. Favorites now you're not writing a column. 742 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 2: ANYMORE i know that was your, choice just you know 743 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 2: the regression of that side of the. Business everything, Changes 744 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 2: you're busier with your family than. Ever do you just 745 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 2: wake up one day and, Say i've been a columnist 746 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 2: a long, TIME i want to do the book. 747 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: Thing that pretty much was. IT i was doing, both 748 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: and it got to a point where the workload was 749 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: such THAT i don't know IF i could do books 750 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: the WAY i want to do them and dive in 751 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 1: and talk to hundreds of people and report the hell 752 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 1: out of these things and still write four or five 753 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: columns a. Week And i'm not Saying i'll never go 754 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: back to. IT i don't know If i'll go back 755 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: to it full. Time, yeah column writing is a little 756 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: bit of a lost. Art it's. UNFORTUNATE i still think 757 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: there's a real place for it and commentary in this, 758 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: country and there are some people who are just incredible. 759 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,800 Speaker 1: Calumnists and obviously we Lost John, feinstein who was a 760 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,919 Speaker 1: great commis beside being an, author and he was SOMEONE 761 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: i always looked up to as just a guy who 762 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: was great at both and could do both and was 763 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: so prolific AND i admired that and envied. It and 764 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: one thing About, John and let's say you're the same 765 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: Way colin right running to you. Somewhere we could just 766 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,399 Speaker 1: have a regular conversation talk about five million. Things john 767 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: was a real titan of the. Industry and yet AND 768 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: i used to tell him, this we'd sit down at 769 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: The masters and have conversations about. Anything AND i, say 770 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people who've achieved what you have in 771 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: our industry would not have this conversation with. Me you 772 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,839 Speaker 1: just would be. Unapproachable don't ever. Change if you, Change 773 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: i'm going to call you out On and he used to. 774 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: Laugh so if you ever got a little, arrogant which 775 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: he would at, TIMES i would, say are you turning 776 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 1: into that? PERSON i warned you not to turn Into 777 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: and we would get a kick out of. That but, 778 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: Yeah so there's a person who did it for so 779 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: long at such a high, level both being a columnist 780 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,359 Speaker 1: a lot of college basketball but other sports as, well 781 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: and an. Author that's the AND i really looked up 782 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: to in this, business probably more than. 783 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 2: Anyone how was the Book season on The brink viewed 784 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,399 Speaker 2: among writers? Transcendent? 785 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: Yeah it still. Is AND i think his passing, unfortunately 786 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: BUT i think we'll send younger people maybe who didn't 787 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: get a chance to read, it back to that and 788 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: and and look at it and see it created a 789 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: genre of books and it was just so so. Good 790 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: and WHEN i WHAT i love column is That COACH. 791 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 1: K And i'm, Sorry i'm not going to be able 792 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: to credit the reporter who got this, interview But i'd 793 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: have been peteammam. M i'd have Been pat. Forty but 794 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,759 Speaker 1: somebody talked To COACH k the other day and When 795 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: john passed, away and he said that he basically Said 796 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: knight didn't understand That john really did him a. Favor 797 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: he he Showed Bob, knight the Real Bob, knight to the, 798 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 1: reader to the, fan and that that's that book was 799 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,799 Speaker 1: a great, book and it Portrayed knight the right way 800 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: and it was very. Fair AND i was glad That 801 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,040 Speaker 1: COACH k said that on the record because WHEN i 802 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,320 Speaker 1: read that, BOOK i did not Think knight was portrayed 803 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: as a. Monster AND i KNOW i didn't, either BUT 804 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: i think a lot of, PEOPLE i Think bob might 805 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 1: thought he was portrayed as a as a, monster and he. 806 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: Wasn't he humanisted him in, FACT i thought he did 807 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: him a. Favor so, yeah that that. BOOK i have 808 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,839 Speaker 1: never met a sports writer as bitter as sometimes we can. 809 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: Be whoever said anything but just extraordinary things about that. Work, 810 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: now some Of john's other books maybe didn't max that 811 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 1: would be impossible to churn out book kept matching that 812 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: that level of. Greatness but that is right there With 813 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,840 Speaker 1: moranis's book On Vince lombardi as among the two or 814 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: three best sports Books i've ever. 815 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 2: Read ian O'Connor is ALWAYS i love talking to, you. 816 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,320 Speaker 2: MAN i WISH i lived out see you more. Often, 817 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:51,319 Speaker 2: yeah well i'd. 818 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: Listen it's it's always an honor to be with you 819 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,439 Speaker 1: and a pleasure and just thanks for having. 820 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 2: Me