WEBVTT - Ep. 19: Shadows of the Frontier

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<v Speaker 1>As indicated by the work of painters and photographers. Nostalgia

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<v Speaker 1>and honesty about the West dueled with one another as

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<v Speaker 1>the Frontier ended and the modern West began. I'm Dan

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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy responsible shadows of the Frontier. For many Americans, the

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<v Speaker 1>West occupies a mental space similar to how we imagine

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<v Speaker 1>phases in our history, like the Confederacy, say, or World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two. It had a beginning and in the arc

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<v Speaker 1>of time, it had an end, and the best one

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<v Speaker 1>can do with it now is to read about it

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<v Speaker 1>or watch movies, because the real thing, the beating heart,

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<v Speaker 1>flesh and blood of it, has now receded into the past.

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<v Speaker 1>While that may work for wars or the Great Depression

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<v Speaker 1>or the societal upheaval that was the nineteen sixties, for

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<v Speaker 1>the West, not so much. And there's a simple reason

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<v Speaker 1>the West is different. The West was never just a phase,

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<v Speaker 1>but a place, a remarkable region of the country that

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<v Speaker 1>still exists and whose present story is intertwined with its

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<v Speaker 1>past the way morning emerges from sunrise. When the US

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<v Speaker 1>Census announced in eighteen ninety that the West by then

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<v Speaker 1>had been so broken up by settlement that a frontier

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<v Speaker 1>line no longer existed, the West did not end the

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<v Speaker 1>way the Confederacy did when Grant accepted Lee's surrender in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixty five. My point is that the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the so called frontier was hardly a black line across history.

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<v Speaker 1>The way Appomattox Courthouse are, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were as

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<v Speaker 1>wild as the Western past had been as a part

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<v Speaker 1>of history, the region's future looked just as exciting and

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<v Speaker 1>just as troublesome. Of course, we all know there were

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<v Speaker 1>Americans upset by the end of the Frontier.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe some still are.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people in the early twentieth century experienced a psychological

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<v Speaker 1>alarm historians have labeled frontier anxiety. After all, if the

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<v Speaker 1>so called frontier thesis was true, that Darwinian argument that

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<v Speaker 1>the wilderness had selected out traits that created the American character,

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<v Speaker 1>then how are we going to preserve americanness without a frontier.

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<v Speaker 1>A remarkable thing in itself is that nostalgia for the

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<v Speaker 1>Old West lasted for at least eighty years after the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen ninety census announced the frontier was over. It was

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<v Speaker 1>nostalgia that made Bill Cody's Wild West Show legendary, made

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<v Speaker 1>the careers of painters Frederick Remington and Charlie Russell, of

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<v Speaker 1>filmmaker John Ford, And of course, it was Old West

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<v Speaker 1>nostalgia that made Tom Mix, John Wayne, Audie Murphy, and

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<v Speaker 1>Roy Rogers cinema stars, and got Clint Eastwood his start.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe writer Zane Gray captured the magic best The Old West,

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<v Speaker 1>he once wrote, was the last time in the history

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<v Speaker 1>of Earth humans got to live a sensuous life in

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<v Speaker 1>a state of nature. The Old West virus infected all

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<v Speaker 1>of us. As a five year old, I once found

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<v Speaker 1>myself in an Oklahoma City elevator looking up at a

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<v Speaker 1>fellow passenger I realized was film star Randolph Scott. The

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<v Speaker 1>excitement almost took me out. I've never been without a

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<v Speaker 1>pair of cowboy booths since. American country music centered in

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<v Speaker 1>the South had little beyond a regional appeal until it

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<v Speaker 1>rebranded itself country Western and affected cowboy hats and jeans. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>not even Beyonce can resist it, even in the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>first century. The writer David Milch's HBO series Deadwood, or

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<v Speaker 1>as I like to call it, back to the Fucking

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<v Speaker 1>West Cocksuckers, proved just how resilient the Old West could

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<v Speaker 1>be as a compelling subject. More of Milch and Deadwood

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<v Speaker 1>in another episode. What I want to argue now and

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<v Speaker 1>across the remaining episodes in this podcast is that the

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth and twenty first century West has maybe been an

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<v Speaker 1>even more thrilling place for history to play out. Nostalgia

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<v Speaker 1>for the Old West, as I'm about to demonstrate here,

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<v Speaker 1>with the careers of two famous artists, the photographer Edward

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<v Speaker 1>Sheriff Curtis and the painter ven Old Rice, could be

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much a drag on understanding the possibilities of modern

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<v Speaker 1>life in the West. We've not yet entirely escaped the

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<v Speaker 1>pull of the Western pass but the honysty of someone

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<v Speaker 1>like ven Old Rice painting the Blackfeet Indians of Montana

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<v Speaker 1>from roughly nineteen twenty to nineteen fifty helped.

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<v Speaker 2>Show us the way towards the West we actually live

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<v Speaker 2>in or visit.

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<v Speaker 1>No One remotely interested in American Indians or merely the

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<v Speaker 1>beauty and dignity of humanity ever, forgets their reaction standing

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<v Speaker 1>before an Edward Sheriff Curtis photograph, after the initial shock

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<v Speaker 1>of seeing what appears to be pre modern people preserved

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<v Speaker 1>by a modern medium. I had no idea cameras existed

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<v Speaker 1>that long ago, a friend said to me. Once you

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<v Speaker 1>start looking more closely, becoming aware that the sense of

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<v Speaker 1>age here is in part due to the Cepia tones

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<v Speaker 1>of Curtis's Prince. Mostly you're stunned by the depth of

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<v Speaker 1>character in Curtis's human subjects. As George horse Capture of

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<v Speaker 1>Montana's Fort bell Knapp Reservation said of his first sight

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<v Speaker 1>of a Curtis portrait, the world stopped for several moments.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a special case since the portrait was of

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<v Speaker 1>horse Capture's great grandfather. But he speaks for most of us.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether we encounter Curtis's images and books on calendars or

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<v Speaker 1>on postcards, and these days his CPIA photo do seem

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<v Speaker 1>to be everywhere. Were spellbound, as if deposited in the

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<v Speaker 1>past by a time machine. But why what is it

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<v Speaker 1>we see in Curtis's photographs? Who was this shadow catcher,

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<v Speaker 1>as some of his subjects called him, who in a

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<v Speaker 1>good piece of one lifetime managed to befriend some eighty

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<v Speaker 1>tribes of Indians and shoot more than forty thousand photographs

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<v Speaker 1>of them. How was someone like this on the scene

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<v Speaker 1>in the Old West with a camera? Well, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>first fantasy about the shadow Catcher to brush aside. Curtis

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<v Speaker 1>was not photographing eighty indigenous tribes while the frontier raged on.

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<v Speaker 1>The census had declared the frontier over a full decade

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<v Speaker 1>before Curtis said about his project. As for who he was,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the simple characterization of the kind we'd all reject

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<v Speaker 1>if it were applied to us. Then there's the more

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<v Speaker 1>complex scent of flesh biography. The simple version is that

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<v Speaker 1>he was an almost uneducated Seattle mountaineer who in the

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth century became consumed with romantic notions about how Indians

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<v Speaker 1>once lived. He had some talent, got lucky with influential friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and so obsessively pursued his goal that he sacrificed his

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<v Speaker 1>marriage and money to consummate it and died virtually forgotten.

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<v Speaker 1>The longer version is more interesting and gets us a

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<v Speaker 1>lot closer to being able to answer the kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>questions people mouthed silently when they stand wrapped before the photographs.

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<v Speaker 1>Like so many first generation Americans who grew up in

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<v Speaker 1>the Northwest, Curtis's family roots were in the Midwest and

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<v Speaker 1>his case Wisconsin. Sold their farm to become an itinerant

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<v Speaker 1>preacher by the time Edward was twelve, but he had

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<v Speaker 1>briefly gotten to attend a one room school that seems

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<v Speaker 1>to have been his only formal education. Photography was in

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<v Speaker 1>the air in the late eighteen hundreds, and both the

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<v Speaker 1>technology and the possibilities entranced him. Somewhere, Curtis acquired a

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<v Speaker 1>how to manual, and, unable to afford the real thing,

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<v Speaker 1>built his first camera from a wooden box and a

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<v Speaker 1>stereoscopic lens his father brought home from.

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<v Speaker 2>The Civil War.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen eighty seven, when Curtis was nineteen, his father

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<v Speaker 1>moved the family west to Washington State, where they homesteaded

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<v Speaker 1>a farm just across Puget Sound from Seattle. With income

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<v Speaker 1>he brought in from commercial fishing and small scale logging,

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<v Speaker 1>young Edward finally managed to buy a fourteen by seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>view camera. Then, in a capitalization strategy rely on most

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<v Speaker 1>of his life, he mortgaged the Curtis farm to buy

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<v Speaker 1>into a partnership and a photographic studio in bustling, growing Seattle.

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<v Speaker 1>At twenty four, his future beginning to open before him,

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<v Speaker 1>and what turned out to be an ill fated move,

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<v Speaker 1>he married a young neighbor named Clara Phillips. For most photographers,

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<v Speaker 1>making a living largely involves capturing images of two rather

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<v Speaker 1>mundane subjects, weddings and families. For four years, Curtis refined

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<v Speaker 1>his abilities in these fields and paid the mortgage lean.

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<v Speaker 1>But he also dreamed of being a fine arts photographer

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<v Speaker 1>and a new movement that saw photography as a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of technologically assisted form of painting and the photographer as

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<v Speaker 1>an artist. What he needed most of all, Curtis decided,

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<v Speaker 1>were a subject matter and a style he could make

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<v Speaker 1>his own. These were savvy insights. On his mountain climbing

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<v Speaker 1>and fishing trips. Curtis kept coming across local Native people,

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<v Speaker 1>still engaged in their ancient subsistence, even as the post

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<v Speaker 1>frontier West whorled around them. Fortuitously, one of these turned

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<v Speaker 1>out to be Princess Angeline, the elderly daughter of Chief Seattle,

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<v Speaker 1>namesake of the burgeoning city. Curtis befriended her and she

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<v Speaker 1>allowed him to shoot a few soft focused photos of

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<v Speaker 1>her as she engaged in a timeless indigenous pursuit digging

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<v Speaker 1>for clowns along the Pacific shore. In a true epiphany,

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<v Speaker 1>it struck Curtis that he should put the finished print

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<v Speaker 1>through a CPO wash so the image looked brown aged,

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<v Speaker 1>so viewers would feel a timelessness about it. Entered in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteen ninety six National Photographic Exhibit, it took first

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<v Speaker 1>prize in portraiture. Overnight, Curtis became one of seattle best

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<v Speaker 1>known photographers. Now he had his subject and his leit motif.

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<v Speaker 1>Like toppling Domino's, the breaks came in rapid succession. Two

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<v Speaker 1>years later, high up on the shoulders of one of

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<v Speaker 1>his favorite peaks, Mount Rainier, Curtis encountered a lost climbing

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<v Speaker 1>party that he guided to safety. It was the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of group any ambitious young man might want to run into,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone rescue. The party included Gifford Pinchot of the

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<v Speaker 1>US Forestry Division see Heart, Miriam head of the US

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<v Speaker 1>Biological Survey, and, most importantly for Curtis, the famous author

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<v Speaker 1>George byrd Grennell.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a photographer.

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<v Speaker 1>Curtis told them and back in Seattle when he showed

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<v Speaker 1>them some of his photographs, including his early Indian works.

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<v Speaker 2>They were impressed.

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<v Speaker 1>Grennell and Miriam both had already signed on for an

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<v Speaker 1>upcoming grand expedition financed by railroad tycoon E. H. Harriman,

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<v Speaker 1>to Alaska the next summer. Might young Curtis be interested

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<v Speaker 1>in accompanying the party as photographer? This was the domino

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<v Speaker 1>that collapsed the table. The Harriman expedition included three dozen

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<v Speaker 1>of America's most famous scientist, writers, artists, a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>camelot afloat on the Alaskan seas. Curtis got their rubbed

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<v Speaker 1>shoulders with the natural history writers John Muir and John Burrows,

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<v Speaker 1>the geologist Grove Carl Gilbert, biologists William Dahl, Frederick Dellenbaugh

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<v Speaker 1>and William Brewer, even mister Harriman himself. They were the

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<v Speaker 1>core of Washington's prestigious Cosmos Club. For Curtis, the trip

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<v Speaker 1>served as passport to the whole American scientific and conservation community,

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<v Speaker 1>and the ship, the George day Elder, was, in John

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<v Speaker 1>Mure's words, a floating university, providing Curtis the education he

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<v Speaker 1>had never gotten. He was thirty one years old. The

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<v Speaker 1>trip particularly made Grinnell a good friend, and the writer

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<v Speaker 1>now invited Curtis along in the summer of nineteen hundred

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<v Speaker 1>to a Plains Indian sundance among the Blackfeet on their

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<v Speaker 1>reservation in Montana. All of Curtis's life had been preparation

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<v Speaker 1>for this moment. As he wrote later, he was intensely affected.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the start of my effort to learn about

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<v Speaker 1>the Plains Indians and to photograph their lives. He would

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<v Speaker 1>preserve the Indian world before Indian ness, as Curtis and

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<v Speaker 1>all his new friends firmly believed, what happen would vanish

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<v Speaker 1>for all time. What Curtis had in mind was a

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<v Speaker 1>monumental undertaking, but it wasn't untilnineteen o six that JP

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<v Speaker 1>Morgan finally bankrolled him with seventy five thousand dollars for

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<v Speaker 1>his grand project. Morgan's deal wasn't much of a bargain.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted Curtis to do the field and print work,

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<v Speaker 1>plus in the matter of John James Ottoman, to publish

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<v Speaker 1>and even market the Finnish books himself. Curtis called the

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<v Speaker 1>books in question the North American Indian, and they came

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<v Speaker 1>near to being still born at the outset. When the

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<v Speaker 1>anthropological community got word of what Curtis was proposing, a

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<v Speaker 1>photographic record of traditional Indian life, three decades after most

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<v Speaker 1>tribes had settled onto reservations, it ran up a red flag.

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<v Speaker 2>Professor Franz Boaz.

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<v Speaker 1>At Columbia expressed what still is the most obvious objection

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<v Speaker 1>in the twentieth century. What Curtis was proposing was impossible.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite widespread nostalgia for the Old West, by the early

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen high hundreds, most tribes had already endured decades of

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<v Speaker 1>systematic policy driven a culturation. To show traditional Indian life

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<v Speaker 1>as it was lived in the eighteen hundreds, Curtis would

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<v Speaker 1>have to fake the details and most of the contexts

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<v Speaker 1>of his project. Boas His objections did lead to President

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<v Speaker 1>Roosevelt appointing a committee to investigate those arguments, but the

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<v Speaker 1>committee included William H. Holmes of the Bureau of Ethnology,

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<v Speaker 1>who despised Boas and who knew Roosevelt wanted Curtis to succeed. Roosevelt,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, wrote the forward to Volume one, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>easy to conclude that the President was as caught up

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<v Speaker 1>in the romance of the undertaking as Curtis. Nonetheless, a

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<v Speaker 1>reputation as the great fabricator has been Curtis's albatross ever since.

0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Curtis was in over his head anyway. He was young,

0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.640
<v Speaker 1>enter jet and inspired and thought he could wrap up

0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.200
<v Speaker 1>the entire project in five years, but if dated from

0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.320
<v Speaker 1>that nineteen hundred sun dance in Montana where he got

0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:14.080
<v Speaker 1>the idea, it actually took up thirty years of his life.

0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:18.119
<v Speaker 1>With offices both in New York for marketing and Seattle

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<v Speaker 1>for the photographic end, he embarked on years and years

0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:28.159
<v Speaker 1>of one world win trip after another. Volume, one on

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<v Speaker 1>the Novajos in the Southwest, came out in nineteen oh seven,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was led.

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<v Speaker 2>Off by a photo whose title.

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<v Speaker 1>The Vanishing Race, captured the whole underlying premise. Over the

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<v Speaker 1>next seven years, ten more volumes appeared. By this time,

0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Curtis had gone through Morgan's initial investment and was barely

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<v Speaker 1>passed halfway to his goal. His novel solution for money

0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:01.080
<v Speaker 1>was to turn into an indie filmmaker, but his silent

0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:05.120
<v Speaker 1>film In the Land of the Headhunters, a quaky Udel,

0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Romeo and Juliet story, was a box office flop. By

0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.240
<v Speaker 1>taking out a second mortgage on his house, this one

0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:17.359
<v Speaker 1>without his wife's knowledge, and appealing to the Morgan family

0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:21.360
<v Speaker 1>for continued financing, Curtis was finally able to turn out

0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:26.800
<v Speaker 1>the last nine volumes of his grand project. While all

0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:31.040
<v Speaker 1>this was happening, the last volume twenty finally appeared in

0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:36.160
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty, much of the rest of Curtis's world was imploding.

0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Clara filed for divorce from her absentee husband in nineteen sixteen.

0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Curtis was convicted of failure to pay alimony in nineteen eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and when the divorce was settled in nineteen twenty, Clara

0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:57.200
<v Speaker 1>got possession not only of his studio but of all

0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:01.920
<v Speaker 1>the negatives he had shot so far. The subsequent disappearance

0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:06.879
<v Speaker 1>of Curtis's studio materials dating before nineteen twenty has led

0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:11.080
<v Speaker 1>to one of the great treasure hunts in Western art so.

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<v Speaker 2>Far, to no avail.

0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:17.439
<v Speaker 1>Clara wasn't through, though, having him arrested one more time

0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:21.080
<v Speaker 1>as he passed through Seattle Enroot, home from his last

0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:25.280
<v Speaker 1>photo shoot for The North American Indian in nineteen twenty seven.

0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Curtis lived for another quarter century without ever producing another

0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:34.440
<v Speaker 1>significant work, so the meaning of his life is largely

0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:39.000
<v Speaker 1>synonymous with what we think about his great project. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no question today of Curtis's status as an artist, but

0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:48.800
<v Speaker 1>the mesmerizing quality of his images is largely a consequence

0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:52.840
<v Speaker 1>of his understanding of the nostalgic.

0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Allure of Native America.

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<v Speaker 1>Other photographers and painters certainly attempted this, but no one

0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:02.000
<v Speaker 1>else pulled it off with the a line that Curtis did.

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<v Speaker 1>On the other hand, there's always the question of whether

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<v Speaker 1>you can entirely trust a Curtis image. The text of

0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:14.240
<v Speaker 1>the North American Indian, edited by Frederick Webb Hodge of

0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:18.359
<v Speaker 1>the Bureau of Ethnology, presents a straightforward ethnography of the

0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:22.640
<v Speaker 1>tribes as Curtis found them, but of course hardly anyone

0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:26.159
<v Speaker 1>reads the text anymore. So we're back to the fact

0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:30.280
<v Speaker 1>that rarely do his photo show Indian life as it

0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:34.879
<v Speaker 1>actually was in the post frontier. Instead, Curtis went to

0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:40.240
<v Speaker 1>extraordinary links to exercise the whole twentieth century. He provided

0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:44.120
<v Speaker 1>his Indian subjects with outfits and props from a half

0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:49.040
<v Speaker 1>century earlier. He airbrushed away power lines in his photos,

0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.880
<v Speaker 1>once even used dark room tricks to erase an alarm

0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:57.240
<v Speaker 1>clock he found to his horror beside the right elbow

0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:02.280
<v Speaker 1>of his blackfeet subject in the State eighteen seventies, looking

0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:07.399
<v Speaker 1>photo in a Paygan lodge. Of the more than twenty

0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:11.480
<v Speaker 1>two thousand photographs in the North American Indian, a few

0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:14.840
<v Speaker 1>can't be trusted or are questionable today for other reasons.

0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes Indians do Curtis. Some of the novel hosts did

0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:22.400
<v Speaker 1>their ceremonies backwards for his camera.

0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:25.080
<v Speaker 2>As one of the only white.

0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:29.119
<v Speaker 1>Men ever to participate in the nine Day Hopey Snake Dance,

0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:30.720
<v Speaker 1>Curtis even.

0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:32.720
<v Speaker 2>Photographed that's sacred ritual.

0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Today, the Hopies don't even allow non Indians to see

0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:40.840
<v Speaker 1>this ceremony. It's not easy then, to know what to

0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:45.520
<v Speaker 1>think about Curtis. Listening to George Horse Capture helps Thom,

0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:50.680
<v Speaker 1>a defender of Curtis Horse Capture, remains awestruck at Curtis's

0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:54.320
<v Speaker 1>dedication to his project and at the stunning quality of

0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:59.400
<v Speaker 1>the resulting imagery. Most importantly, he believes that Curtis's work

0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:05.439
<v Speaker 1>Strengthson's native confidence. What Curtis's images show is that what

0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Indians suspected about the depth and beauty of their ancestors

0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:17.560
<v Speaker 1>culture in the Old West was true. As Curtis was

0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:22.400
<v Speaker 1>journeying to tribe after tribe, then disappearing into his dark room.

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<v Speaker 1>All over the West, painters were fixing images of Native

0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:30.880
<v Speaker 1>people and the Old West as rapidly as they could work.

0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:35.879
<v Speaker 1>Frederick Remington and Charlie Russell became the most famous and

0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:40.880
<v Speaker 1>successful the artists captivated by Indians believed their subjects were vanishing,

0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:44.919
<v Speaker 1>so artists like Joseph Henry Sharp, who particularly focused on

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<v Speaker 1>the Crows and Taos and Santa Fe based painters like

0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:54.680
<v Speaker 1>e Irvingkows, Ernest Blumenshein and John Sloan captured the pueblos

0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:58.480
<v Speaker 1>of the Southwest at a frantic pace. At a time

0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:02.480
<v Speaker 1>when railroads were one of the biggest businesses in the country,

0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Tourism seemed the future, and nothing advertised a Western adventure

0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:13.400
<v Speaker 1>in a strange land like images of exotic natives. Ving

0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Old Rice, who immersed himself in the northern West between

0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:20.480
<v Speaker 1>roughly nineteen twenty and nineteen fifty, was one of the

0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:25.640
<v Speaker 1>painters who attracted the attention of a Western railroad. Rice's

0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:30.679
<v Speaker 1>mission began very much in the genre that Curtis, Remington,

0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Blumensheine and others had already laid out. Yet the more

0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Rice learned, the more experience he had, the more he

0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:43.359
<v Speaker 1>thought it critical to portray the post frontier world of

0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:49.120
<v Speaker 1>his Indian subjects as opposed to old West nostalgia. For Curtis,

0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:53.720
<v Speaker 1>the arrow of time flew backwards into a retreating past.

0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:56.960
<v Speaker 2>For Rice, that projectile flew.

0:23:56.840 --> 0:24:00.439
<v Speaker 1>Into an open ended future where neither of the West

0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:06.360
<v Speaker 1>nor his subjects had vanished. Rice hardly started out immune

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:09.679
<v Speaker 1>to Western romance. Like all of us, he was a

0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:12.879
<v Speaker 1>product of time and place, and in his case the

0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:17.760
<v Speaker 1>place was Germany and the time the late nineteenth century, when,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps more so than anywhere, Rice's countrymen were intoxicated with

0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:27.760
<v Speaker 1>the idea of people living in nature. Like other German boys,

0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:32.439
<v Speaker 1>Reis grew up reading Karl Mei, who mesmerized generations of

0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:37.160
<v Speaker 1>German readers with a kind of fantasy American West. Mai

0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:42.160
<v Speaker 1>remains so crucial to European ideas about America that Durshue

0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:46.720
<v Speaker 1>de monitu An Austin Powers like Sendup of a nineteen

0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:50.919
<v Speaker 1>sixty two Karl my movie is the most popular film

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<v Speaker 1>in Germany right now. In twenty twenty five, it wasn't

0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 1>cowboys or miners or buffalo hunters who entranced Germans, though

0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:05.760
<v Speaker 1>it was Western Indians like My's heroic apache chief Vinetou

0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:11.520
<v Speaker 1>who mesmerized them. Actually, My never visited the American West,

0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:15.160
<v Speaker 1>knew nothing about it beyond reading a few dubious books

0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:18.560
<v Speaker 1>and entirely confused geography and tribes.

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<v Speaker 2>None of that mattered.

0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:24.399
<v Speaker 1>My's novels made the West appear the only place on

0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:28.399
<v Speaker 1>Earth one could really be alive. Ven Old Rice was

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:32.479
<v Speaker 1>one of his converts, prepared for a version of the

0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:36.399
<v Speaker 1>West hardly more real than a galaxy far far away.

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:40.120
<v Speaker 1>A twenty seven year old Rice arrived in New York

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:44.600
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen thirteen expecting to see Indians on Fifth Avenue

0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:50.000
<v Speaker 1>are living in teepee villages outside New York or Boston. Eventually,

0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:54.359
<v Speaker 1>he stumbled across a homeless ex Wild West performer named

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:58.080
<v Speaker 1>yellow Elk, who was Blackfeet and told the young German

0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 1>if his heart's desire was to paint real Indians, the

0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:05.520
<v Speaker 1>best place to go was to newly created Glacier National

0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Park and its adjacent Blackfeet Reservation in Montana. There, yellow

0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Elk said, were the Indians of Rice's imagination. The Great

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:21.560
<v Speaker 1>War years obviously were not the time for a painter

0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:26.080
<v Speaker 1>from America's enemy nation to travel the US in search

0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:30.000
<v Speaker 1>of subjects from the margins of American life. So a

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:34.000
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirteen nineteen fourteen trip to the West didn't happen,

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:37.720
<v Speaker 1>but it's quickly following the war's end as he could

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.840
<v Speaker 1>make it happen. In the absolute dead of winter of

0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 1>December January nineteen nineteen and nineteen twenty, Rice took the

0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Great Northern Railroad west to Montana. As soon as he

0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:53.560
<v Speaker 1>stepped off the train, the Germans spotted a group of

0:26:53.640 --> 0:26:57.920
<v Speaker 1>blanket draped Indians, and, to the profound shock of the group,

0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:01.880
<v Speaker 1>strolled up to them, wrapped one on the back, held

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:05.239
<v Speaker 1>up his hand, and, in a recreation of scenes in

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 1>carl My novels, blurted out, how lucky for vin Old Rice,

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:13.920
<v Speaker 1>lucky for all of us. The Blackfeet, by this time

0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:17.720
<v Speaker 1>in their history, had learned to be amused and tolerant

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:22.399
<v Speaker 1>of the unfathomable antics of white people. Maybe the innocence

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:27.680
<v Speaker 1>of how was downright endearing. In nineteen nineteen, So, recognizing

0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:31.119
<v Speaker 1>a fallible fellow human when he saw one one of

0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:34.439
<v Speaker 1>the Blackfeet men, whose name was Turtled, motioned for his

0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:38.119
<v Speaker 1>friends to choke off their laughter and to welcome this

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:42.840
<v Speaker 1>strange individual, as the Blackfeet had done with empathetic whites

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:48.119
<v Speaker 1>for decades. The Blackfeet had experiences with artists and photographers

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:51.359
<v Speaker 1>that went back at least twenty years, and after a

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:56.359
<v Speaker 1>few minutes of translated but good spirited conversation, some of

0:27:56.400 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>the group Rice approached with how agreed to sit for him.

0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:03.919
<v Speaker 1>Rice had taken the first big step. He was on

0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:07.399
<v Speaker 1>his way to a long and celebrated career as one

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:13.359
<v Speaker 1>of the best twentieth century portraitists of American Indians. A

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 1>few years ago, I toured a first rate Blackfoot exhibit

0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:21.919
<v Speaker 1>in the Glenbow Museum in Calgary. The tribal name in

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Canada is rendered Blackfoot that had been assembled and interpreted

0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 1>by the elders of the Canadian Blackfoot bands and the

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Southern Pagans the Montana Blackfeet. What caught my attention were

0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 1>panels claiming the Blackfoot and Southern Pagan people remembered the

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 1>artists and photographers from a century ago as people they

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:51.720
<v Speaker 1>especially liked and admired. One exhibit panel put it this way,

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:56.120
<v Speaker 1>these artists had a profound respect for us as human beings.

0:28:56.720 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Their respect shows in the images they created. Adjacent to

0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 1>those very words were several portraits of their ancestors done

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 1>in brilliantly colored pastels by ving Old Rice. Rice became

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:17.120
<v Speaker 1>the most successful of all the Great Northern Railroads finds

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 1>as a painter, promoter of Glacier National Park and the

0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 1>railroad's ticket sales to Western tourists. Just as the Southwestern

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Railroads had done with the art of the Southwest, the

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Great Northern, led by Louis Hill, son of founder James J. Hill,

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 1>hoped to use artists to help establish Glacier as a

0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 1>premier American vacation destination. Urged on by George Burgrenelle in

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:48.800
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ten, Congress had created Glacier out of pieces of

0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:53.400
<v Speaker 1>the Flathead National Forest and the Blackfeet Reservation. For the

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 1>next half century, the national Park acted like some deep

0:29:57.480 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 1>space singularity that bent the railroad around it. As part

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:07.000
<v Speaker 1>of the Great Northern's Sea America First campaign in nineteen fifteen,

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 1>it built many Glacier Hotel along with several of the

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:16.200
<v Speaker 1>park's Swiss chalets, and hired local Blackfeet to entertain tourists.

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Then it advertised Glacier as the American version of the

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<v Speaker 1>Swiss Alps except with Indians. The year of the park open,

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<v Speaker 1>Hill hired Austria John Ferry as the first sponsored artist

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 1>to help with this promotion, and between nineteen ten and

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:40.240
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirteen, Ferry produced three hundred and forty seven pieces,

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 1>for which Hill paid by the square foot of canvas,

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 1>at a price that worked out to roughly thirty dollars

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:53.000
<v Speaker 1>a painting. The railroad's publicity department used Ferri's work in ads, pamphlets,

0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 1>even on menus.

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Other artists followed.

0:30:56.160 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 1>In a whirlwind of promotional notions in nineteen thirty eighteen.

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen fourteen, Hill invited the German modernist Julius Seidler

0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:09.239
<v Speaker 1>to the park, then Indian genre painter Edwin Demming. By

0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:12.960
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventeen, Hill placed his hopes on one of the

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 1>West's most famous illustrator painters, San Francisco artist Maynard Dixon,

0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 1>with a plan for Dixon to produce a set of

0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 1>large oils for glaciers, lodges, and as advertising posters on

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 1>the West coasts. Dixon came and painted and sent a

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 1>dozen finished oils to Saint Paul in nineteen eighteen. They

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 1>disappeared and have never been found. As for the Blackfeet.

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>They had reasons of their own for posing and performing

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:50.920
<v Speaker 1>for the railroad. Getting to dress in their traditional clothing,

0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 1>going on excursions into their old haunts now deep in

0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:57.640
<v Speaker 1>the park were among those reasons, and yes, there was

0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 1>cash to be earned. All these made the Blackfeet for

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 1>a time among the most willing Indian subjects in the West.

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<v Speaker 1>All these elements set the table perfectly for vn Old

0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:15.240
<v Speaker 1>Rice's arrival in Blackfeet Country in nineteen nineteen. I once

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 1>was privileged to have lunch with Renate Rice, vn Old

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Rice's engaging daughter in law in Santa Fe. She told

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:28.000
<v Speaker 1>me that Rice came to Montana with outstanding training at

0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:32.200
<v Speaker 1>the Munich Royal Academy of Fine Arts. When Art's instruction

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:36.040
<v Speaker 1>was fascinated with the lives and art of so called

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 1>primitive people think Paul Gogan and Pablo Picasso. Rice was

0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 1>exposed to all those currents, including modern art like Fauvism

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 1>and Cubism. Borrowing his love of pure chromatic colors and

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 1>a fascination with exotic people from modern art, Rice translated

0:32:57.000 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 1>those into a completely fresh take on the black Feet

0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 1>of the West. The paintings then became commercial work in

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 1>the form of the Great Northern Railroads.

0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 2>Calendars and menus. He just loved people.

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Rice's daughter in law told me he loved the way

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 1>people looked. But as Riis's son Jark always said, the

0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 1>real reason Rice came to America was always to paint

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 1>the Indians. Over a few weeks on that first visit

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 1>to the black Feet, Rice churned out a remarkable thirty

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 1>six portraits exhibited back east. The entire cash quickly sold.

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Already one of the most celebrated Modernist portrait painters in

0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:43.760
<v Speaker 1>New York, Rice had finally painted Indians, but he was

0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 1>still living in New York, and what he really wanted

0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 1>was to be George Catlin Redducks, a twentieth century biographer

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 1>of Indians who everyone in New York believed at the

0:33:55.680 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 1>time were vanishing. As with Curtis, some times life requires

0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:06.920
<v Speaker 1>a lucky break. In early nineteen twenty seven, Rice's sculptor

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:11.400
<v Speaker 1>brother Hans, was guiding climbers in Glacier Park when he

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 1>happened to meet Louis Hill of the Great Northern. When

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 1>he showed Hill a portfolio of his brother's portraits, Hill

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 1>did not hesitate. Could Veno come out that summer at

0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the invitation of the Great Northern, which would fund his

0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:29.440
<v Speaker 1>trip in lodging in return for rights of first refusal

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:35.480
<v Speaker 1>on whatever art resulted. Vn Old was passed. Ready, he

0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 1>remarked to friends in the East the previous year, how

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:42.440
<v Speaker 1>beautiful the West is. You people in New York don't

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:45.840
<v Speaker 1>realize I've lived in New York. But now I can't

0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:48.880
<v Speaker 1>stand it any longer. I feel I must break away,

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 1>get among the Indians again, live with them in their

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:56.759
<v Speaker 1>simple way, and study and paint them. The relationship that

0:34:56.840 --> 0:35:00.200
<v Speaker 1>now formed between an artist, a railroad, a national park,

0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:04.800
<v Speaker 1>and several score Western Indians lasted for the next quarter century.

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:08.640
<v Speaker 1>It had something for everybody. The painter got to fulfill

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 1>a lifelong ambition and leave an enduring legacy.

0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 2>The railroad ended.

0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Up with beautiful portraits he would use to advertise the

0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:19.759
<v Speaker 1>line to tourists. Leisher Park's identity was forged by the arrangement,

0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 1>and as for the Blackfeet, early on it was a

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 1>chance to hold on to and showcase clothing and other

0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 1>elements of their traditional culture. Later, at least as much

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:36.799
<v Speaker 1>as the railroad would allow, Rice's relationship with the Blackfeet showed.

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:38.839
<v Speaker 2>Something more honest than Curtis ever did.

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:43.840
<v Speaker 1>He produced an unmatched portrait of a generation of Native

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 1>people who were no longer buffalo hunters, but ranchers who

0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 1>lived in clapboard houses or federal employees who drove pickups.

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:58.280
<v Speaker 1>In other words, modern Indians surviving in a West different

0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:03.920
<v Speaker 1>from the old Frontier. Summer after summer, ten of them

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:07.760
<v Speaker 1>between nineteen twenty seven and nineteen forty eight, Reis returned

0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:11.920
<v Speaker 1>to Glacier, gathered black Feet and occasionally Cootney sitters, and

0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 1>from his studio on Saint Mary's Lake, faithfully recorded their

0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:21.880
<v Speaker 1>changing circumstances. With his chromatic modernist colors. Rice painted Indians

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>with a skill of George Catlan could never have imagined possible.

0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Their faces, evoking the ancient and the exotic, were rendered

0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:35.240
<v Speaker 1>into great art. Increasingly, he sought to paint the black

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Feet as they appeared daily to one another, the way

0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:41.960
<v Speaker 1>they dressed and looked, not in the eighteen seventies, but

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen thirties and nineteen forties to his managers

0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:50.840
<v Speaker 1>in the railroad offices. However, showing exotic and nostalgic images

0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 1>to tourists was the moneymaker. Portraying the Black feet in

0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:58.919
<v Speaker 1>jeans and cowboy hats and checkered church how was that

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:05.240
<v Speaker 1>going to sell train tickets? So alarmed at Blackfeet intermarriage

0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:08.319
<v Speaker 1>with non Indians and with what appeared to be their

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:12.279
<v Speaker 1>growing assimilation into the modern West, which of course had

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 1>been the whole point of American Indian policy for one

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:19.440
<v Speaker 1>hundred years, the Great Northern began to waffle about lodging

0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Rice for the summers. Rice's last visit to Glacier came

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:26.600
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen forty eight, and this time something happened that

0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:30.640
<v Speaker 1>the Railroad interpreted as certain evidence that the world had

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:36.880
<v Speaker 1>turned upside down. Eileen Schilt, a Blackfeet woman whose portrait

0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Rice painted that summer, ended up bringing a lawsuit against

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:46.560
<v Speaker 1>the railroad for using her image and advertising without paying

0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:51.359
<v Speaker 1>her a royalty. What buffalo hunting Indian would ever do

0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:57.360
<v Speaker 1>such a thing? Following a stroke, Veno Rice passed away

0:37:57.680 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty three.

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 2>What a life he had had.

0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:05.799
<v Speaker 1>He left marvelous pictorial evidence of just the kind of

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:10.200
<v Speaker 1>existence he had hoped for. Even the ending was straight

0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 1>out of a Carl My novel. In nineteen fifty four,

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Jark shipped his father's ashes to bull Child, one of

0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Rice's Blackfeet friends in Montana. As the Chinooks ate away

0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:27.919
<v Speaker 1>the snow that spring, bull Child climbed Red Blanket Hill

0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 1>and spread Rice's ashes across the Blackfeet country, just as

0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:37.239
<v Speaker 1>he had daydreamed in Germany as a boy, ving old

0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Rice had finally merged with the West and the Indians.

0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 3>Dan, I think one of the first thing that stood

0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:04.719
<v Speaker 3>out to me in this in this episode is the

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:12.120
<v Speaker 3>idea that these photographs from Curtis are sepia toned. Yeah,

0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:15.440
<v Speaker 3>and we wouldn't really, I don't think very many Americans

0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:18.480
<v Speaker 3>would be familiar with that prior to the age of Instagram.

0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:22.879
<v Speaker 3>But in telling the story, you sort of peel back

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:27.759
<v Speaker 3>what's behind the image, which up until recently, you know,

0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:32.680
<v Speaker 3>with digital manipulation, it was more obscure to the to

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:34.400
<v Speaker 3>the viewer right or to the audience.

0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think those CPA images that I mean, and

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:43.480
<v Speaker 1>that's that's how Curtis photograph you know, his two hundred

0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:47.400
<v Speaker 1>thousand photographs, a shot of Native people. That's how he

0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 1>did it. That's how he processed them. I mean, they

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:54.080
<v Speaker 1>were black and white photographs, but he processed them in

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 1>a chemical mix in his dark room in order to

0:39:57.520 --> 0:39:59.800
<v Speaker 1>turn them brown, and the idea, of course, was some

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:04.560
<v Speaker 1>make these look aged. And that was kind of one

0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:11.320
<v Speaker 1>of his epiphanies when as a young man he found

0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:16.440
<v Speaker 1>himself in a position to produce a kind of a

0:40:16.480 --> 0:40:20.799
<v Speaker 1>photography that could be considered art and that other people

0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:25.400
<v Speaker 1>would would think of him as an artist. That was

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:28.000
<v Speaker 1>one of the insights he had. The second inside, of course,

0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:31.200
<v Speaker 1>was I'm going to make Native people my focus, and

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:35.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm particularly going to photograph them as if we were

0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:38.840
<v Speaker 1>still in the eighteen forties, the eighteen fifties, the eighteen sixties.

0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:42.720
<v Speaker 1>And one of the ways to make all this work

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:47.000
<v Speaker 1>is to make the images is to do a CPA

0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:50.760
<v Speaker 1>wash on them so they look like they're one hundred

0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:54.640
<v Speaker 1>years old or something, you know. And as I said

0:40:54.719 --> 0:41:00.359
<v Speaker 1>early on in the script for this episode, I had

0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:04.920
<v Speaker 1>a friend one time who had his wife had bought

0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:10.120
<v Speaker 1>him a book of Curtis photographs for Christmas one year,

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:14.279
<v Speaker 1>and we were going through them and he said, I

0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:17.160
<v Speaker 1>gotta say, I I had no idea there were cameras

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:17.879
<v Speaker 1>back then.

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.840
<v Speaker 2>And I said, well, back then.

0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Yes, is that's the rub because back then was actually

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:32.040
<v Speaker 1>as late as nineteen twenty seven, nineteen thirty, So yeah,

0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:34.800
<v Speaker 1>there were cameras, but what he's doing is he's attempting

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:37.520
<v Speaker 1>to make these images look like they're one hundred years old.

0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:42.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I think, at least when it comes to

0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:50.680
<v Speaker 3>this style of art, right portraits of Native people, I

0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:55.239
<v Speaker 3>always have I guess, conflicting thoughts or emotions when it

0:41:55.280 --> 0:42:00.480
<v Speaker 3>comes to it, because there's there's this question of often ticity.

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, is this objectifying Native people? Is this or

0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:11.200
<v Speaker 3>is this like a celebratory representation. In this case, you

0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:17.160
<v Speaker 3>have two artists who, you know, some there's some commercial

0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:21.520
<v Speaker 3>motivation obviously, but they do seem to have sort of

0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 3>an authentic calling to do this, and they have good motivation,

0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:32.439
<v Speaker 3>pure motivations for lack of a better term, but yeah,

0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:39.799
<v Speaker 3>to historicize Native people in that way, it's it's problematic

0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:42.600
<v Speaker 3>for a lot of reasons. And I wonder if you

0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:46.400
<v Speaker 3>can just sort of talk about some of the conversations

0:42:46.440 --> 0:42:46.920
<v Speaker 3>around that.

0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, when when the world discovered.

0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:55.920
<v Speaker 1>That Curtis was going to do this, when JP Morgan

0:42:56.719 --> 0:43:00.680
<v Speaker 1>gave him seventy five thousand dollars to do it, and

0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:02.959
<v Speaker 1>and Teddy Roosevelt, who was still president at the time,

0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:08.160
<v Speaker 1>announced that he was writing the forward for this anthropologists

0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:12.760
<v Speaker 1>of the day were stunt and shocked, and Franz Boas

0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 1>at Columbia in particular, said, I mean, this is fake.

0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:21.680
<v Speaker 1>You're going to have to fake it all because, I mean,

0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:24.719
<v Speaker 1>we've had an Indian policy in place for a century

0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:29.239
<v Speaker 1>to try to assimilate native people, and many, a great

0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:32.880
<v Speaker 1>many of the world's native people, including in the West,

0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:35.719
<v Speaker 1>have been fully assimilated. So how are you going to

0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 1>do this? So the sort of label the great Fabricator

0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:48.359
<v Speaker 1>was placed on Curtis early on in the project, and

0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:50.359
<v Speaker 1>it's been a hard thing for him to live down.

0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:52.640
<v Speaker 1>I think most of the people who see these images now,

0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 1>who buy Curtis calendars or postcards or buy books of

0:43:57.160 --> 0:44:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Curtis's work, probably don't understand that that at one time

0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:05.239
<v Speaker 1>was that this was This project was very controversial for

0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:07.880
<v Speaker 1>that reason. And one of the reasons I wanted to

0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:11.560
<v Speaker 1>pair him in this episode with ven Old Rice is

0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:17.359
<v Speaker 1>because Rice is he's a contemporary. He's a painter rather

0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:23.880
<v Speaker 1>than a photographer. He's a very wonderfully trained, academically trained

0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:28.719
<v Speaker 1>portraitist in modern art, and so he's really really skilled.

0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:32.920
<v Speaker 1>He's got the same sort of romantic nostalgia about the West,

0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:38.759
<v Speaker 1>operating from a different perspective, not the frontier for an American,

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:41.680
<v Speaker 1>but from the karl My novels.

0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:45.719
<v Speaker 3>And it's a clumsy, it's a clumsy and awkward nostalgia.

0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:49.080
<v Speaker 1>It's a very clum because Karl May, the guy who

0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 1>made so many Germans fascinated with the West and with

0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:58.120
<v Speaker 1>native people, never visited the West, knew very little about it,

0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 1>sort of botched the names of tribes, and I mean,

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:06.120
<v Speaker 1>he was really kind of awful at it. I lived,

0:45:06.120 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 1>at one time taught at university on the yostaccato, and

0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Carl Me evidently made the toccado into a real focus,

0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:17.600
<v Speaker 1>a geographic focus. And in carl My's books, the onoisocado

0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:21.200
<v Speaker 1>is a mountain range. Well Yanois tacato, in truth is

0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:25.600
<v Speaker 1>actually a dead flat surface, a plateau, the top of

0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:30.239
<v Speaker 1>a plateau. And when I was at Texas Tech back

0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:34.200
<v Speaker 1>in my early career, a bunch of the carl My

0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:39.680
<v Speaker 1>society came to Texas Tech to hold their annual conference,

0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:43.759
<v Speaker 1>and they all got off the plane and were stunned

0:45:43.800 --> 0:45:47.840
<v Speaker 1>to find themselves rather than in snow capped mountains, standing

0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:52.240
<v Speaker 1>out on a bald ass open plane full of cotton

0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:54.680
<v Speaker 1>plants and so, I mean it was a very I

0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:57.120
<v Speaker 1>got to do a talk for them, and it was

0:45:57.280 --> 0:46:00.200
<v Speaker 1>very funny to talk to these Germans who had a

0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:04.960
<v Speaker 1>completely erroneous idea, as I say in the in the episode,

0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:07.680
<v Speaker 1>it's they had the sort of in a galaxy, far

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 1>far away idea about the American West. And so and

0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:14.279
<v Speaker 1>that's what my ca I mean, that's what the Old

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:18.799
<v Speaker 1>Rice came to America with. But he ended up at

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:22.680
<v Speaker 1>this moment that he and Curtis were both working, the

0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:26.759
<v Speaker 1>Frontier had come to an end. Many Americans were confronting

0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:30.640
<v Speaker 1>the whole idea of of what historians called frontier anxiety.

0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:33.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what are we going to do without a frontier?

0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:36.600
<v Speaker 1>This is what has made America what it is. And

0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:39.759
<v Speaker 1>so you're confronted with do you do the Curtis thing,

0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:43.000
<v Speaker 1>where you act as if the Frontier is not over

0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:46.399
<v Speaker 1>and you continue to portray the Old West as if

0:46:46.400 --> 0:46:49.759
<v Speaker 1>it still exists, or you do what then Old Rice did,

0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:54.480
<v Speaker 1>which was he began portraying the Blackfeet. He was painting

0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:59.520
<v Speaker 1>in cowboy hats and jeans and checkered shirts and driving pickups,

0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:02.120
<v Speaker 1>and of course the railroad that employed him was not

0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:06.719
<v Speaker 1>happy at that. But he was honest about it. And

0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that I think is important about

0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:15.640
<v Speaker 1>that is that from the Curtis perspective and many of

0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:20.879
<v Speaker 1>the people who bought Curtis's books, native people were a

0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:26.160
<v Speaker 1>vanishing race, right, And for ven ol Rice, they weren't

0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:32.160
<v Speaker 1>vanishing at all. They were simply segueing into twentieth century America, right.

0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:35.919
<v Speaker 3>And I think that's you get into that that there's

0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:41.080
<v Speaker 3>serious I mean serious thinkers believe that Native people will

0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:45.600
<v Speaker 3>go extinct, and that that had been the case since,

0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, even back to Jefferson and before. But then

0:47:49.640 --> 0:47:54.920
<v Speaker 3>there's this question of again authenticity and indian ness. But

0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:58.240
<v Speaker 3>they're people driving pickups, right, and there are people working jobs,

0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:01.440
<v Speaker 3>and it's it's fast that it takes an outsider to

0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:03.200
<v Speaker 3>recognize that.

0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it takes a German coming over. And because I

0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:15.200
<v Speaker 1>think because he was very sympathetic and he treated his subjects,

0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:18.239
<v Speaker 1>the people he was painting, as real human beings, which

0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:22.200
<v Speaker 1>of course they reciprocated with him. I mean, it became

0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:27.439
<v Speaker 1>important to him to portray them realistically and honestly, rather

0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:30.439
<v Speaker 1>than to try to do what the Great Northern Railroad wanted,

0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:34.200
<v Speaker 1>which was to keep putting bonnets on them and acting

0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:37.160
<v Speaker 1>as if they were still buffalo hunters, because of course

0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:40.879
<v Speaker 1>that was what worked for tourism on the rail line.

0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:47.640
<v Speaker 1>So an interesting time in the story of the West

0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:52.160
<v Speaker 1>because this magical thing of the frontier.

0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Is over, but the West is.

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<v Speaker 1>As I try to stay in the beginning. The West

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<v Speaker 1>is not like say, you know, the Civil War, which

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<v Speaker 1>comes to an end. The West is a place, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it continues to have a story and a history

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<v Speaker 1>forward into time, and that becomes to me as fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>as the time in the previous century.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thanks Dan, you Bet Randall. Thanks it's been fun.