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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrea, Ohio. This is Cleveland Brown Staley brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Bally Bet coming soon to Ohio on eight

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Speaker 1: fifty ESPN, Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: There's no stopping Jim Brown on an effort like this,

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Speaker 2: He goes over the top and into the end zone

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Speaker 2: for his fifth touchdown of the day.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever seen an image of strength like this,

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Speaker 3: a picture of power like this, a portrait of courage

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Speaker 3: like this. Ask yourself these questions, because the answers tell

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Speaker 3: you how superhuman this man really was. Ask yourself these

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Speaker 3: questions because his whole life, That's what Jim Brown was about.

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Speaker 2: We cannot make exception to these laws just because a

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Speaker 2: person happens to be black or white, forcing the world

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Speaker 2: to ask why things were the way they were and

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Speaker 2: how the rest of us change.

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Speaker 4: This is Jim Bridle.

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Speaker 5: We had Howard.

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Speaker 6: You ain't see nobody knock him.

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Speaker 7: I look at him.

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Speaker 6: You don't see nobody knock him. Devastating ball carrier in

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Speaker 6: the history of football.

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Speaker 2: He was born in the South Saint Simon's Island off

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Speaker 2: the coast of Georgia in nineteen thirty six and raised

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Speaker 2: in the North, a small town on Long Island, whereas

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Speaker 2: legend as an athlete began.

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Speaker 6: And he scored.

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Speaker 2: Jim Brown played he dominated from football to basketball, the

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Speaker 2: track to lacrosse, even though there's little video of him

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Speaker 2: playing that last. There were those who said, there's never

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Speaker 2: been a bet of lcross.

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Speaker 3: Player walk the earth.

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Speaker 2: But football was the game that lifted him to start,

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Speaker 2: first at Syracuse University, where he was an All American,

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Speaker 2: and then Cleveland with the Brides. His NFL career began

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Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty seven, and he played in the league

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Speaker 2: for nine years, absolutely dominating the sport and rewriting the

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Speaker 2: record book, setting a new standard for how a running

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Speaker 2: back could rule the game with a combination of speed, force,

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Speaker 2: and will. But Jim Brown was so much more than

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Speaker 2: arguably the greatest football player of all time. That was

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Speaker 2: clear when he retired before he turned thirty to become

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Speaker 2: a new kind of pioneering, a black action star in

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Speaker 2: the movies, a Hollywood leading man.

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Speaker 6: Who refused to be cornered into how the world cast him.

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Speaker 2: And that was just the start of the legacy he

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Speaker 2: built outside the football team. During the Civil rights Movement,

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Speaker 2: he was front and center in the fight to earn

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Speaker 2: Black's economic opportunities, and in nineteen sixty seven he organized

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Speaker 2: the famed Cleveland Summit to support Muhammad Ali and his

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Speaker 2: refusal to serve in Vietnam. Then in the nineteen eighties,

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Speaker 2: he founded the amrei Can program to provide outreach to

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Speaker 2: gang members and kids in juvenile detention facilities to give

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Speaker 2: them education, hope, and a chance when no one else would.

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Speaker 2: We have changed many, many lives. And as I stand

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Speaker 2: here right now, our people are if you carry out the.

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Speaker 6: Work, they don't need me.

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Speaker 2: And when I leave here, they can still carry out work.

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Speaker 6: And they don't need me.

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Speaker 2: Even if he sometimes looked like Superman, Jim Brown wasn't

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Speaker 2: a perfect man.

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Speaker 3: But he was one of the most important.

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Speaker 2: Figures ever to make a market landscape of sports in society.

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Speaker 3: He changed the game of football, display he.

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Speaker 2: Readifined the limits of what a black man would be

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Speaker 2: in America. Through his strength, his power, and his courage.

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Speaker 2: He never stopped looking for ways to make the country better.

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Speaker 2: Those of us followed his twistoms Rest in power, Jim Brown.

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Speaker 2: We'll keep doing the work in your name.

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Speaker 6: Incredible stuff there As we welcome into Cleveland. Brown's daily

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Speaker 6: Bow and Gibbe here, and we'll have Joe Thomas and

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Speaker 6: Deeke and Bubba Intron's going to join us at the

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Speaker 6: bottom of the hour as well. Obviously, we were off

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Speaker 6: the air Friday when the news broke of the great

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Speaker 6: Jim Brown's passing. I won't pretend to know Jim Brown

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Speaker 6: or to have I think we've had him on once

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Speaker 6: or twice in the time that I've been here, once

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Speaker 6: for sure that I remember. But what I can tell

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Speaker 6: with greatness, and even amongst greatness, there are those that elevate.

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Speaker 6: And the only other instances that I can recall being

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Speaker 6: in a room with greatness where greatness elevates even amongst

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Speaker 6: a few years ago, those images of the greatest, most important,

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Speaker 6: best athletes, and when Jim Brown walked in the room,

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Speaker 6: it stood still. I've been in a room with Michael

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Speaker 6: a room with Muhammad Ali and it had a similar effect.

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Speaker 6: There was a gravity to the man. There was an

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Speaker 6: awesomeness in the truest sense of the word, to the man.

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Speaker 6: We've had some time now to reflect back on the accomplishments.

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Speaker 6: The athletic accomplishments are just stunning. I mean, it's absolutely

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Speaker 6: what was done in the name of civil rights in

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Speaker 6: a time where it could not have been more difficult

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Speaker 6: to do so. As the piece said, was not a

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Speaker 6: perfect man, had his flaws, but fought to the dying end.

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Speaker 6: And when you think about the Cleveland Browns as an operation,

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Speaker 6: it starts it is It is Paul Brown, it is

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Speaker 6: Jim Brown, it is they are linked forever. And there's

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Speaker 6: a reason that that statue is the one that's out

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Speaker 6: in front of the stadium. Obviously, Otto joined as well,

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Speaker 6: but but he is. We are forever linked to him

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Speaker 6: and him to us, and his greatness transcends anything that

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Speaker 6: you've seen before or since. Gibbey. Obviously you've crossed path

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Speaker 6: with more than I. From the standpoint, have been around

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Speaker 6: What what jumps out to you on the man in

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Speaker 6: terms of your recollections.

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Speaker 4: You know when you when you see players and you

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Speaker 4: have relationships with players, you usually you call him by

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Speaker 4: their first name. Hey, Joe, you know Deek, you know

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Speaker 4: the nickname here, nickname there. Anytime he walked into the room,

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Speaker 4: it was mister Brown like and and I don't know

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Speaker 4: if he necessarily if it bothered him one way or

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Speaker 4: was always mister Brown. Like when I when I started

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Speaker 4: doing this eleven years ago, it was always mister Brown.

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Speaker 4: Mister Brown is in the building today, mister Brown is

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Speaker 4: at practice today. And you were like, okay, well that's

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Speaker 4: me from a hole in the ground. No, it's okay,

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Speaker 4: But like my father knows who you are. My uncles

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the that's that's interesting. Mister Brown is in the building.

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Speaker 6: That certainly remember that a lot.

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Speaker 4: Yes, anytime, like it was when mister Brown was in

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Speaker 4: the building. From a security standpoint, you know, you'd walk in. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I didn't necessarily need to know now, but I'm not anybody,

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Speaker 4: but it was. By the way, mister Brown is still

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Speaker 4: around the building. Yeah, that's true. That that is interesting.

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Speaker 4: That resonates when you say that. Yeah, his his he's

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Speaker 4: he's a force and ature man.

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Speaker 6: And you start you look back and you think about

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Speaker 6: nine eighty six and eight games. Broke the record. He

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Speaker 6: That happened he was that there's a reading Poisel's piece.

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Speaker 6: He read it over the weekend and pulled it up

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Speaker 6: here again in terms of summarizing, and there's a great

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Speaker 6: quote from Jim talking about Paul saying, coach Paul Brown

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Speaker 6: liked me. He said to me, you're my running back.

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Speaker 6: You're my running back. It was the sweetest words I've

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Speaker 6: ever heard as a professional football player, and as Poisl

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Speaker 6: rights for seventh In the next eight years, Brown led

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Speaker 6: sixteen games in nineteen seventy eight and seventeen and twenty

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Speaker 6: twelve game season the first four year years of his

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Speaker 6: retirements at the time in nineteen sixty six, when he

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Speaker 4: I had no idea so active.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the last thing I remember seeing him in was

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Speaker 4: He was.

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Speaker 6: So there was that, and then of course there's you know,

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Speaker 6: there's the off field when you talk about the what

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Speaker 6: he did for civil rights, the Cleveland Summit of course

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Speaker 6: this was man nineteen sixty eight in our country, and

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Speaker 6: This is a quote from Kareem Abdul Jabbar. For me,

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Speaker 6: that picture signifies the increasing willingness of Blackamericans to come

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Speaker 6: it's an image of the four people sitting at the

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Speaker 6: table left to right or Bill Russell, Muhammad Ali, Jim Brown,

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Speaker 6: and Kareem abdul Jabbar. And he was who was in

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Speaker 6: the center, Muhammad Ali and Jim Brown.

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Speaker 4: Yep, Yeah, I mean he he lived his life the

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: He walked away from football and became a silver screen legend. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and then moved into the civil rights you know, founded

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Speaker 4: a mare I can yeah, right, And everything he did there,

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Speaker 4: everything he he just he left his mark everywhere he went,

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Speaker 4: like he just what he did for this country and

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Speaker 4: what he did on the football field. I mean the

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Speaker 4: yet if you talk to most people that have been

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Speaker 6: It's stunning the list of accomplishments and the great breadth

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Speaker 6: For example, I would not have known despite playing in

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Speaker 6: he just had that charisma. We led the show with this.

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Speaker 6: He's one one of those few people that, even amongst

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Speaker 6: fifteen forty four, the total was six hundred and seventy

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Speaker 6: he will be missed tremendously by all of us. Our

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Speaker 6: undisclosed location on the west side of Cleveland. Sir, Thank

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Speaker 6: you so much. For taking the time, Bud. Let's we

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Speaker 6: were talking off air. Obviously all of us in the

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Speaker 6: Browns family are talking about the loss of Jim Brown.

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Speaker 6: And you've had several instances your time in New England,

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Speaker 6: obviously your time here as well. Let's start with it,

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Speaker 6: because we talked, we actually alluded to this with Bill

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Speaker 6: and the Patriots put out an image of Bill how

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Speaker 6: he would stop the bus at the stadium for the

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Speaker 6: statue that's been out there since sixteen to look at Jim.

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Speaker 6: And they put on an image of Bill Belichick steering

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Speaker 6: at Jim. But that wasn't That wasn't lip service. That

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Speaker 6: was put into action with you guys when you were

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Speaker 6: at the Patriots, wasn't it. Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Two thousand and seven, we played in the Super Bowl

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Speaker 10: out in Arizona, and we had practiced at Arizona State University.

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Speaker 10: I want to say it was either a Wednesday or

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Speaker 10: a Thursday practice. We're in the locker room post practice

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Speaker 10: and Bill brought the t t him up, you know,

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Speaker 10: in a group or whatever, to like almost like just

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Speaker 10: talk to us or whatever. And he surprised everybody with

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Speaker 10: Jim Brown being there to be able to talk to

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Speaker 10: our team. So that was obviously a great time to

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Speaker 10: be able to have an interaction with him, even before

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Speaker 10: I came to Cleveland, and then obviously whenever I played

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Speaker 10: here from nine to twelve, had a number of conversations

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Speaker 10: with him, picked his brain quite a bit anytime he

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Speaker 10: was around.

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Speaker 7: So he was a joy to have been able to meet.

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Speaker 6: One of those guys that there was an awesomeness to

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Speaker 6: him that even amongst greats, he kind of went above

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Speaker 6: and it was It's amazing the way that he would

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Speaker 6: stop current players who obviously have never seen him play

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Speaker 6: and would be I mean, you're looking at YouTube, but

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Speaker 6: it's one of the it's one of the blessings of

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Speaker 6: being a Cleveland Brown, right, is it? Every once in

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Speaker 6: a while Jim Brown would walk into the building.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so I would say I wish that I would

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Speaker 10: have had an opportunity to be able to see him play, yeah,

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Speaker 10: in that time. But from you know, when you hear

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Speaker 10: a guy like Bill Belichick talk about how Jim Brown's

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Speaker 10: the best football player that he's ever seen play, then

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Speaker 10: you know, you're pretty you're pretty taken back by by

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Speaker 10: a statement like that. So obviously a tremendous, tremendous player

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Speaker 10: and even better person and you know, advocate for everything

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Speaker 10: he's done in the community.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's remarkable in terms of this first time

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Speaker 6: we've had a chance to talk to you since you've

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Speaker 6: been back, and of course we're here as a player.

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Speaker 6: When when you think of what made this decision to

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Speaker 6: come home, the one that it felt like for you,

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Speaker 6: it was the time for you to do it.

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Speaker 7: I like how you said come home.

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Speaker 4: This is what I do.

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Speaker 7: Come home.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and it feels like right, Yeah, it does feel

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Speaker 10: like home. I'm from Pittsburgh, Yeah, but Cleveland is home

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Speaker 10: to me. Cleveland is home to me. I had a

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Speaker 10: lot of great years here. Obviously when I played here

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Speaker 10: as a as a special teamer, we had good units

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Speaker 10: back then. Met a lot of great people that are

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Speaker 10: still involved with the organization and Joe she and Brad Mellan,

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Speaker 10: guys like that. Obviously, Mister Haslam, you know, bought the

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Speaker 10: team in my last season here. So it's great to

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Speaker 10: come back to familiar faces and just you know, just

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Speaker 10: a passionate fan base that loves football. The city loves football.

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Speaker 10: So I'm excited to be back here and have an

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Speaker 10: opportunity to win.

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Speaker 6: You know, when you when you when you're around this

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Speaker 6: fan base, when you're around this organization, when you're around

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Speaker 6: when you walk in the building, you you mean, we're

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Speaker 6: on lou Grows of Boulevard for crying out loud, and

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Speaker 6: you walk in there and you see all of it.

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Speaker 6: It is a place that is starved for winning. What

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Speaker 6: what is it about that that drives I know it

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Speaker 6: drives Kevin, I know it drives ab it drives everybody

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Speaker 6: in the organization. Now it feels like there's a relentlessness

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Speaker 6: to try to achieve that. Now, how much of that

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Speaker 6: was part of your in your head about coming back here,

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Speaker 6: the realization that, my god, if we ever win here,

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Speaker 6: this is going to be pretty nuts.

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Speaker 10: Well, I feel that, you know, you know, just looking

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Speaker 10: at the roster, there's a lot of talent. There's a

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Speaker 10: lot of talent on the roster. I feel like there's

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Speaker 10: a great opportunity to win. But obviously and ultimately, we

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Speaker 10: have to be able to instill in the players to

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Speaker 10: be able to play selfless, team, team first football. And

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Speaker 10: I feel like that's the way that we're going to

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Speaker 10: be able to win. Everything is going to be geared

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Speaker 10: at team first. Put the team first, willing to do

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Speaker 10: whatever it takes to win, because we clearly have enough

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Speaker 10: talent to do so. And you can you can see that,

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Speaker 10: you know, just being out on the field. The type

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Speaker 10: of guys that we have running around, it's pretty it's

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Speaker 10: pretty impressive.

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Speaker 6: What what are things that you look for in a

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Speaker 6: guy to play on your units?

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Speaker 10: Well, first off, I mean, if you're going to play

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Speaker 10: in the kicking game, you have to have that mentality.

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Speaker 10: You have to be fearless, physical, tough, fast, smart, discipline.

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Speaker 10: You know, the things that I'm trying to instill in

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Speaker 10: our players is we're a fundamentally sound football team that's

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Speaker 10: gonna drill, drill, drill it over and over again the

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Speaker 10: fundamentals and techniques that are necessary to execute in each

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Speaker 10: each six phases of the kicking game. And then, like

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Speaker 10: I said before, we're gonna to be the discipline and

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Speaker 10: we're going to make good decisions. And then lastly, we're

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Speaker 10: going to be a selfless football team. We have to

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Speaker 10: have buying from whether you're a four phase starter in

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Speaker 10: a Big four, you play on the field goal unit,

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Speaker 10: you play in the field goal block unit, or you're

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Speaker 10: a starter that plays one to two phases or a

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Speaker 10: spot starter. We need buying and contributions from everybody on

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Speaker 10: the team, coaches, players, backups, starters if we're going to

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Speaker 10: be good in the kicking game and ultimately having a

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Speaker 10: chance to impact you know, football games.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, let's you talk, man. I just think accountability.

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Speaker 10: It feels like, listen, that's the number one thing for me.

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Speaker 10: It's like, if we're talking about winning, and we're talking about,

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Speaker 10: you know, getting to the playoffs and getting to where

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Speaker 10: we want to be, it's got to be everybody doing

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Speaker 10: what it takes to win every game. So I think

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Speaker 10: it's selfless accountability. Your teammates, coaches, staff, you know, the organization.

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Speaker 10: Do what's right and let's put the team first.

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Speaker 6: And when you have you've worked for some You've played

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Speaker 6: for some incredible coaches. You've worked for some incredible coaches.

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Speaker 6: What are things we mentioned Belichick, Let's take him for example.

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Speaker 6: What are other things that you pick up for Bill?

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Speaker 6: You'd be crazy not to right that you've instituted into

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Speaker 6: into your philosophy to make it your own.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean Bill, I learned a lot from Bill

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Speaker 10: as a player and as a coach. You know, he

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Speaker 10: really gave me my foundation right for The house that

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Speaker 10: I'm building is in my football coaching playing career. However,

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Speaker 10: the things that I put into the house are things

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Speaker 10: that I've gathered from other coaches that I've been around, observing, studying,

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Speaker 10: watching film, studying players. So I have obviously I have

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Speaker 10: a lot of things that are my own. But yeah,

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Speaker 10: and honestly, I'm excited to implement what I did in Indie,

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Speaker 10: build on what I've done there, and improve and bring

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Speaker 10: them here and hopefully we can get these guys you know,

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Speaker 10: hitting the ground roll on this week into OTAs you.

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Speaker 6: When you came in here, we were talking about what

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Speaker 6: this is nice? This is now we can go right

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Speaker 6: a little bit. Now we get a little bit of

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Speaker 6: go when this time of year, what we what's springing

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Speaker 6: this step where you look to see in from the

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Speaker 6: guys and and as you go into this week, what

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Speaker 6: are some things you want to get accomplished?

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Speaker 10: You know, the last few weeks in Phase two, Phase one,

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Speaker 10: we've done a lot of on field drill work, you know,

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Speaker 10: pretty much on air type stuff. So now we'll be

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Speaker 10: able to have you know, looks with bodies in there,

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Speaker 10: so we'll be able to you know, elaborate on our scheme,

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Speaker 10: install some more things, and that way. Once we headed

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Speaker 10: into training camp, we have a really good base and

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Speaker 10: understanding for what we're trying to ge accomplished.

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Speaker 7: Once we put the pads on.

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Speaker 6: You were as a player who was a You're a

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Speaker 6: hair on fire guy. Literally, I mean there's this image

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Speaker 6: I have up of you. I mean, that's a fantastic

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Speaker 6: mop you have, buddy, That thing looks awesome. But the

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Speaker 6: hair on fire guy. How are you different from as

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Speaker 6: a coach and then you were as a player. How

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Speaker 6: much of it do you pull into the coaching.

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Speaker 10: I learned a lot as a player, I did. I

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Speaker 10: learned a lot as a player. I studied well. I

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Speaker 10: feel like I was always prepared. However, it's different. You

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Speaker 10: think you know everything as a player and you don't,

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Speaker 10: and you don't, and you learn a lot whenever you

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Speaker 10: get into the coaching ranks and the time that goes

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Speaker 10: into it in the detail and why things are being done,

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Speaker 10: why you know why we're doing the things we're doing

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Speaker 10: and why we're doing this droll, why we're taking this rep,

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Speaker 10: why we're having guys rep in multiple spots. You're trying

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Speaker 10: to build on roster depth and have position flexibility amongst

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Speaker 10: the players, to give each player as much value as

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Speaker 10: you can to your roster. The more things you can do,

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Speaker 10: the better. And I'm what I'm trying to do right

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Speaker 10: now is just train as many guys as I can

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Speaker 10: in multiple phases. That way, in case we get into

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Speaker 10: the season and I need someone to come up and play.

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Speaker 7: This guy can be plugged in.

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Speaker 10: So trying to build as much you know, I would

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Speaker 10: say position, flexibility and cross training as possible.

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Speaker 6: At this point, what are your philosophies in the return game?

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Speaker 10: Philosophies in the return game? Number one, The number one

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Speaker 10: thing is get the ball back to the offense. Okay,

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Speaker 10: we're gonna protect the football, We're gonna make good decisions

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Speaker 10: fielding the football. But then it really goes into as

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Speaker 10: far as executing a return. It's the fundamentals of the

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Speaker 10: return that give you the best opportunity to make big plays.

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Speaker 10: So I think that it starts early in the down. Obviously,

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Speaker 10: our drops and our setups are going to be important.

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Speaker 10: And obviously how we're setting up on the football and

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Speaker 10: attacking coverage, and then obviously knowing how those teams are,

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Speaker 10: you know, are attacking us. So I think that that's

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Speaker 10: really the second the second part of it.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's the way the league is set up now,

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Speaker 6: and especially in the AFC. I mean we did this

653
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Speaker 6: last week on the show. I think there's probably like

654
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Speaker 6: ten teams in the AFC that feel like they're Super

655
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Speaker 6: Bowl contenders. And I don't think that that hyperboly. I

656
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 6: think ten of them. You go to their facility, they say, yeah,

657
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 6: we can go win the Super Bowl this year. And

658
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Speaker 6: all of them have great offenses. Many of them have

659
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Speaker 6: great defenses. In a league where there are so little

660
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Speaker 6: margin for air, so much of it comes down to

661
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Speaker 6: your units. Yeah, it really does, band I mean we've

662
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 6: seen it.

663
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, you just never know. And that's the

664
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Speaker 10: one thing that I always try to stress to our players.

665
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Speaker 10: You just don't know which play it's going to be.

666
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Speaker 10: So you have to take the field like this is

667
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 10: going to be the play and this is the opportunity

668
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 10: because different from offense and defense, where you're having sixty

669
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Speaker 10: to eighty plays a game on each side of the ball,

670
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Speaker 10: and the kicking game, you know you're probably gonna have

671
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 10: between twenty five and thirty reps in the game.

672
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Speaker 7: You may only have a handful.

673
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Speaker 10: Of opportunities to return, to return the ball, to actually

674
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Speaker 10: run the pressure that you have script or schemed up

675
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 10: against the opponents. So you got to be able to

676
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 10: capitalize on every opportunity, you know, and take advantage of

677
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Speaker 10: everything that's given to you.

678
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Speaker 7: So you know, don't take anything lightly.

679
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 10: Treat every not treat every play like it's your last,

680
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 10: but treat every play like it's super important and it

681
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 10: could be the play that impacts.

682
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Speaker 6: The game absolutely. And you know, I want to ask

683
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 6: you about kid. We we certainly saw what they drafted

684
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Speaker 6: him here after what he did at LSU where he's

685
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 6: one of the great collegiate kickers. Last year up and

686
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 6: down searching for that consistency. What what of your have you?

687
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 6: What have your conversation with him been like? And what

688
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 6: is your your approach to to to place kicker and

689
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 6: trying to get him to be everything that he was

690
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Speaker 6: drafted to be.

691
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Speaker 10: Cade all those guys, all the specialists have been great

692
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 10: to this point. Yeah, he's got a great work ethic.

693
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 10: He's a hard worker, he's very detailed, he's you know,

694
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 10: very honed in on his mechanics and almost two detailed

695
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 10: at times. What we want to do with him is

696
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 10: we obviously we're trying to get him to be as

697
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Speaker 10: consistent as possible and if there is a if there

698
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 10: is a hiccup, or if there is a mistake or

699
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 10: an error, we're trying to put that the bet as

700
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Speaker 10: fast as we can and not let those not let

701
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Speaker 10: those things come pound. So he's done a good job

702
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 10: to this point. He's hit the ball well. He's definitely

703
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 10: got a strong and explosive leg. I think that, you know,

704
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 10: a fresh start, you know, sometimes the volume can take

705
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 10: a toll on a player as well. I think that,

706
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 10: you know, hitting hitting less balls is going to be

707
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 10: beneficial to him. So we're excited to work with him,

708
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 10: and he's done a good job to this point.

709
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 6: It's kind of like a golfer, right with a golf swing,

710
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 6: like you can over cook it.

711
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 10: You can definitely overcook it, you know what I mean,

712
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 10: definitely overcook it, you know. Like for me, like I've coached,

713
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 10: I've coached players, and I've been around players that like

714
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 10: to hit, Like Steve Gosowski in New England did not

715
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 10: want to hit a lot of balls, whereas Adam Vinteri

716
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 10: wanted to hit one hundred balls and he wanted to

717
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 10: kick balls from sixty plus every day. Steve wasn't like that.

718
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 10: Phil Dawson was kind of like in between. Yeah, but

719
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Speaker 10: I think, kid, I think that we can take some

720
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Speaker 10: volume off of him, you know, save his leg a

721
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Speaker 10: little bit, be you know, precise, and I think that

722
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Speaker 10: we'll get the results we need.

723
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Speaker 6: You obviously played here when Josh was at his peak

724
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 6: in the return game, and there's a gift to that, right,

725
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 6: a fearlessness of being that and being able to do that.

726
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 6: Are there guys on this roster, maybe not to that level,

727
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 6: but that have that in them that you that you've

728
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 6: been able to identify in the return game.

729
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Speaker 7: Yeah, we have explosive returners.

730
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Speaker 4: We do.

731
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Speaker 10: Last year, Jerome fordish out the year doing a really

732
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 10: nice job in the kick return phase. He's an explosive

733
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Speaker 10: player with good size, He's got good vision, he's an

734
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Speaker 10: aggressive runner downhill.

735
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Speaker 7: I like him a lot.

736
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Speaker 10: Jalen Darden is a kid that you know they acquired

737
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 10: mid season last year that is an instinctive player. He's

738
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 10: not the biggest guy, but he's got good vision and feel.

739
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 10: And then obviously Jaquem Grant, you know, if he can

740
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 10: get back to where he was pre injury. That guy

741
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 10: is explosive and he's got the ability to change a

742
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 10: game in both kick and punt return. So I think

743
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 10: that when when you're covering guys that are that explosive

744
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 10: and that dynamic, it definitely, first off, it heightens your

745
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 10: your blocking teams right responsibilities and technique like everyone's when

746
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 10: you're blocking for a guy like Cribs, you know you

747
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 10: have a chance to legitimately score every play. So I'm

748
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 10: just telling you, well, like when you're a core player

749
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 10: blocking for a guy like that and you know that

750
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 10: we have the ability to score, you're gonna block a

751
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 10: little bit harder they just are, and you're gonna do

752
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 10: a little litle bit extra. And that's what it takes,

753
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 10: so like to bust those returns. It's not just doing

754
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 10: your job. It's like doing your job and then something

755
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 10: else has to happen.

756
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 6: Yep.

757
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Speaker 10: So you know, Fortunately when I was here, we had

758
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 10: a bunch of returns for touchdowns. I'm hoping that we

759
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 10: can get a few this year. That'd be freaking great.

760
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Speaker 6: It's one of those things. It's still the loudest any

761
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 6: NFL stadium is is a is a special return touchdown,

762
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 6: pun or kick it doesn't happen as much, but when

763
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Speaker 6: it happens.

764
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Speaker 10: I'm kind of getting chills right now. I'm telling you

765
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 10: that's so Listen kick off return or punk return for

766
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Speaker 10: a touchdown. I know in block punts, you block a

767
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 10: punt yep. Listen, I'm gonna I'm gonna do my best

768
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 10: and me and Bravo are gonna do our best to

769
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Speaker 10: put our guys in situations that we can make some

770
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 10: big plays.

771
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Speaker 6: Man, I know you got to get to a meeting.

772
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Speaker 6: This was great. Thank you so much for coming by,

773
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 6: No probably thanks for having me, Bubba Ventro and you

774
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 6: listen to Cleveland Browns Daily on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland.

775
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,400
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776
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:11,280
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Speaker 6: All right, welcome back into Cleveland Brown's Daily. That was fun,

778
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 6: Bubba vent Trump. I guy's got some juice, Yes he does, right, Yeah,

779
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 6: that's impressive.

780
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Speaker 4: That's it. I've been I've been hounding our good friend

781
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 4: Dan Murphy for a while now, and I'm like, Dan,

782
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 4: we got to get him in. Yeah, Like, let's bring

783
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 4: him in studio. And he's busy, he's doing you know,

784
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 4: I wasn't kidding.

785
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Speaker 6: He literally had a meeting with the boss he had

786
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Speaker 6: to get over to, so that's yeah.

787
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Speaker 4: We were like, what what means you have at two

788
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 4: o'clock that's so important? He's like, well, you want me

789
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 4: to throw it out?

790
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 6: You want me to know if you really want to know? Yes,

791
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 6: we did, no, But I think when you know, the question,

792
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 6: it was more of a statement, bad job it of me,

793
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 6: but kind of the question statement I post him about.

794
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 6: You know this this year in the AFC, there is

795
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 6: no margin. No, it's going to be for the vast

796
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 6: majority of these teams and there's you know, ten to

797
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 6: upwards of twelve that look themselves in the mirror and

798
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 6: say we're super bowkn it's going to come down to

799
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 6: a couple of plays, four or five plays, and what

800
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 6: it can't be. You know, Zee and I talked about

801
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 6: this all the time through the years, the kicking. You know,

802
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 6: the minimum requirement is don't be don't be negative, like

803
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 6: don't you don't have to be positive, just don't be

804
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 6: don't cost us, right, And last year was frustrating in

805
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 6: that sense because it cost us. Yeah.

806
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 4: Well and and I'm not even talking last year. I'm

807
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 4: talking over the course of the ten years we've been

808
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 4: doing this. Yeah, like you're in the booth and the

809
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 4: kicker misses a pat yeah, or a kicker kicks the

810
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 4: ball out of bounds on a kickoff in a close game,

811
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 4: or the punter shanks one and it doesn't I'm not

812
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 4: saying it happens every week, but there are when when

813
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 4: it happens, everybody in the booth looks at each other. Yeah,

814
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 4: and you don't even have to say anything because you're like,

815
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 4: that's going to be a problem later on. I feel like, yep,

816
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 4: this one that will come back on it. Yeah. In

817
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 4: ninety percent of the time, you're right about it.

818
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, it does. It does. So there's an accountability to him, certainly.

819
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 6: I like what he said about kid, you know that

820
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 6: you know sometimes too much. I found that interesting, you know,

821
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 6: just get out of your head a little bit, just

822
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 6: do it, do what you're able to do. And it

823
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 6: was interesting, you know. He talked about New England and

824
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 6: Vinettieri would want to kick till his leg fell off

825
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 6: right and kick sixty yarders right, and Goskowski didn't want

826
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 6: to do that. Yeah, it is like it's golf kicking

827
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 6: is like golf swing. Yeah, it really is that that

828
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 6: type of thing.

829
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 4: It's a muscle memory, and it better be muscle memory

830
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 4: come December. Yeah, when it matters down on that lake front. Yeah,

831
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 4: it is there. There is that part of it. So

832
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 4: and he was excited, like before we even started. In

833
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 4: the break, he was you could tell how excited he

834
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 4: was for this. So this is the first day of OTAs,

835
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 4: So it's this week and then next and then mandatory

836
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 4: mini camp is June fifth through the eighth, So this

837
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 4: is officially OTAs. So now you're gonna be able to

838
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 4: get everybody out there. There's no contact or anything at

839
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 4: this point. It's just getting everybody out there and you

840
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 4: can do some some shell stuff, right correct. So I

841
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 4: lose tracks.

842
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 6: I feel like they change it.

843
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 4: Tell me about it. I'm looking for what the what

844
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 4: the schedule is, What the rules are here? Rules of engagement?

845
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know it's not like how it used to be.

846
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 4: And I want to say, like no live contact is permitted,

847
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 4: but seven on seven, nine on seven, and eleven on

848
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 4: eleven drills are permitted.

849
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Speaker 6: So that's that's what I was saying. That's that shell

850
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 6: stuff that I've talked about, where you know, you can

851
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 6: no contact, but you can at least get a bunch

852
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 6: of guys out on a field and kind of make

853
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 6: understand where you're at. So that's that's huge, and that's

854
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 6: that's like the real work is starting now to be done.

855
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 6: That they're laying foundation, and this week they're gonna be

856
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 6: able to put in some you know, they're really gonna

857
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 6: be able to put in some footers and get some

858
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 6: stuff going here. And I'm not sure for my contractor guys,

859
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 6: if I have the order of that correct, but I

860
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 6: think you get the.

861
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 4: Gist well, and so you'll have you'll have OTA's Monday

862
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 4: through Thursday this week. Yeah, next week is a little wrinkle,

863
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 4: but I believe that they will be here on Memorial Day, Okay,

864
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 4: Monday through Thursday because Tuesday next week is golf outing.

865
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Speaker 4: So I believe that they will be here on Monday

866
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Speaker 4: probably then, so they'll have seven workouts total and then

867
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 4: and I bet I would think they might even work

868
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 4: out Tuesday morning beforehand before they come to the golf outing.

869
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 4: We've seen that in the past. Yeah, you know, because

870
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 4: the golf outing is optional. And I would say this

871
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 4: as well, like again this weekend next week are volunteer.

872
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 4: I think you start seeing more players coming in because

873
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 4: it leads up to the following week two weeks from

874
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 4: now when mandatory mini camp starts, and that's the Monday

875
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 4: through Thursday. Okay, yeah, so I mean you've got seven

876
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 4: you know at this point, now you've got seven practices

877
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 4: over the course of the next two weeks in OTAs

878
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 4: where you're learning the playbook and you're starting to get

879
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 4: stuff on the football field. Like you've had the classroom.

880
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 6: Right now, you can physically get out there. Will we

881
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 6: are there media availabilities on these.

882
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, we will Wednesday, hoping to have a player to

883
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 4: it our undisclosed locations Wednesday, if we can work out

884
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 4: transportation for you exactly. Getting that done this week and

885
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 4: next week we'll have opportunity on Wednesdays, both Wednesdays, so

886
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 4: we'll see, we'll see who's here and who joins us.

887
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 4: And then obviously at the golf course next week we'll

888
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 4: have some availability. We'll be on one of the golf.

889
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 6: Hole, like where we were by the claphouse. Yeah, yeah,

890
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 6: that's fun. That's the perfect place. Put us on that

891
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 6: one where we have the zigar can hit bombs. Yeah,

892
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 6: people can have Zigura. They can have Zigura hit a

893
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 6: shot for him and we can play and then we

894
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 6: can put it on the green. Oh yeah, short little

895
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 6: par four that's the that's the one we want to

896
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 6: be on.

897
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 4: Yep, that's the it's the Briton coal hole.

898
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 6: Cole called a shot. I mean, let's be honest, the

899
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 6: man called a shot. Like, We're not going to see

900
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 6: anything quite like that probably ever. Again. No, and plus

901
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 6: the spontaneity of the moment. You know. That's the other

902
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 6: thing with Cole on that moment was it wasn't like

903
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 6: there wasn't he wasn't prepared for it. Just stepped up.

904
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 4: Made the claim he believes he tried to get into

905
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 4: this and play, and I said he thought he should

906
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 4: play the appropriate People came to me, uh and said, hey, yeah,

907
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 4: just double checking, and I'm like, yeah, he's available at

908
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 4: to three o'clock, right, that's right. He can. He can

909
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 4: join the group around three, yeah, and still get in

910
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 4: at least nine.

911
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 6: He's had seventy six vacations, so he can at least.

912
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 4: I mean, he likes to talk trash about my vacations,

913
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 4: but I believe I've always put on a weekend.

914
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 6: I think I think he's I think he's winning.

915
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

916
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 6: So yeah, yeah he can. He can do the heavy

917
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 6: lifting with me on Tuesday. It's exciting.

918
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 4: And you said it in the interview with Buba, going

919
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 4: back to the Ventrone interview. Yeah, like coming home like

920
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 4: he made his teeth in the NFL.

921
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 6: Here, Oh for sure. I mean, I well, we'll have

922
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 6: haf on in five minutes or so. But like, and

923
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 6: you can ask him about it, but I remember we

924
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 6: talked him about it when he was hired, and he

925
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 6: talked about him as a player and what he was

926
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 6: and folks, if you just go to Bubba's Wikipedia page

927
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 6: is a picture of him. It's in a Browns uniform blowing.

928
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 6: The hair is flying, and he is fired up. And

929
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 6: that's that's what the dude's all about.

930
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he just he wants to be the best. Yeah,

931
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 4: and he wants his group to be the best. And

932
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 4: because he's a former player, yeah, he's going to demand

933
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 4: a lot more. Yeah.

934
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's he's just he's juiced up. Man, he's

935
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 6: ready to go. And that was pretty obvious. The hoff

936
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 6: is ready to go. We'll get his perspect active on

937
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 6: Jim Brown, get his perspective on the off season program

938
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 6: where are We're not very far away from speech time

939
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 6: with the Hoff either, so we'll get to all of that.

940
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 6: It's all coming up next. List to Cleveland Browns Daily

941
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 6: on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland.

942
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,480
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943
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944
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945
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946
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947
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948
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949
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 6: it on the Twisted Tea Hotline, joined by the Hoff.

950
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 6: Joe Thomas, Buddy, great talking to you. Sadder circumstances than

951
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 6: normal in that the passing of the great Jim Brown.

952
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 6: You are one of those people who who is of

953
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 6: his ilk in terms of accomplishments.

954
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 5: Family President, second week in a.

955
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 6: Row Man, Well, I don't know what that is. Joe?

956
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 6: There do we have? Joe?

957
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 5: I got you. I was wondering if it wasna be

958
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 5: another one of.

959
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 6: Those where I.

960
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 5: Again he was going to start making that sorry about

961
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 5: that and making an impression.

962
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 6: We're talking Jim Brown, and all of a sudden we

963
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 6: got this on here. Okay, uh all right, haf uh.

964
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 6: In terms of as I was saying, uh, your your

965
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 6: interactions with the late great Jim Brown.

966
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, obviously one of maybe the greatest football players of

967
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 5: all times. But I think the big memory that I

968
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 5: have that I'll take away is just those times where

969
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 5: he would come into the cafeteria, whether it be a Saturday,

970
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 5: the night before a game, or maybe during training camp,

971
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 5: when he would hang around the team and he'd just

972
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 5: sit down at the table and he'd just break pride

973
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 5: with you, and I think his wisdom and his knowledge

974
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 5: of so many things in the world, and his interest

975
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 5: in all of the different players were really would really

976
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 5: shine through in those moments because he'd sit down and

977
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 5: he didn't care who sat next to him, if it

978
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 5: was an offensive lineman, a running back, upunt, or a coach,

979
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 5: and he would just sit there and he'd ask you

980
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 5: questions and he wanted to talk about what you were

981
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 5: interested in. He wanted to try to give you some wisdom,

982
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 5: give you some insight, but also just kind of amaze

983
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 5: you a little bit with some of the stories Regalue

984
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 5: with some of the stories of what it was like

985
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 5: playing back in the fifties and the sixties and what

986
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 5: it was like being maybe the greatest football player of

987
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 5: all time.

988
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 6: There was Gibby and I were talking about this off.

989
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 6: There's a when you'd go into the building, and I

990
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 6: don't know if you guys were alerted of this, but

991
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 6: for the rest of us, like when we would come

992
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 6: in the building, like most time, security would say, mister

993
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 6: Brown's here today, Like it was it was known that

994
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 6: Jim Brown was in the building, you know what I mean? Like,

995
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 6: was there that for you guys from the stamp Yeah.

996
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean he was bigger than

997
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 5: life to everybody. He was I think probably the only

998
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 5: person in the building that everybody from ownership on down

999
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 5: would call him mister Brown because he deserved that type

1000
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 5: of respect. And I think the players, even though he

1001
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 5: played a long time before we were there, certainly the

1002
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 5: guys that are there now and the guys that I

1003
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 5: played with, but everybody knows the impact that he had

1004
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 5: on the game, the impact he had on social justice

1005
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 5: and trying to affect change in different communities, And I

1006
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 5: think That was probably the legacy that I'll remember him

1007
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 5: for the most, because I never did get to see

1008
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 5: him play other than highlights, which were amazing. By the way,

1009
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 5: watching a man that's bigger than all of his offensive

1010
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 5: linemens steamwell people one after another is always going to

1011
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 5: play well no matter what generation. But I think just

1012
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 5: how important the lives of young men were young Cleveland

1013
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 5: Brown's players, and how much impact he tried to make

1014
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 5: in his community throughout America, and he talked about his

1015
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 5: American program a lot to the players and try to

1016
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 5: get guys involved. But he was just such an incredibly

1017
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 5: influential and impactful person that I just feel really blessed

1018
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 5: to be able to have sat there and got to

1019
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 5: know him through the years.

1020
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 6: It's something when you you know, and I very clearly

1021
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 6: never played here, but when you walk in the building

1022
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 6: and you see that the image of him, and it's

1023
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 6: something that if you've loved football, you've seen it your

1024
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 6: whole life, whether it's the slow motion of him running

1025
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 6: or it's some of those black and white images, or

1026
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 6: the image of him sitting on his football helmet. There's

1027
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 6: an image in one of the offices over there of

1028
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 6: him with a He's got a like a rain slicker on.

1029
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 6: He just casts such a shadow, didn't he. Joe over

1030
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 6: the whole league, over the over the organization. Everything just

1031
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 6: almost super almost like a superhero a little bit.

1032
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1033
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 5: I mean he was the original superstar in the game

1034
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 5: of football, and then the crossover that he made into

1035
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 5: movies and then into social justice ech making sure that

1036
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 5: you know, he was involved off the field, trying to

1037
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 5: make an impact throughout all of the country. Players in

1038
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 5: any generation gave him an enormous amount of respect. I mean,

1039
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 5: he was one of the few guys that didn't matter

1040
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 5: if it was a group of Hall of famers, if

1041
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 5: it was you know, the Joe Namits, if it was

1042
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 5: the greatest of the greats. When that man walked in

1043
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 5: the room, everybody stood up and stood a little bit straighter. Right,

1044
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 5: They have just a different level of respects for him

1045
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 5: and what he did in his life and in his career.

1046
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 6: Do you ever think about blocking for him?

1047
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 5: I'm wondering, like, if the size of the man that

1048
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 5: Jim Brown was in relation to other offensive linemen and

1049
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 5: other football players of his generation existed today, would that

1050
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 5: mean he would be like shock, he'dbe like seven foot

1051
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 5: four hundred, but he'd run a four or five.

1052
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 6: I just think it was, yeah, like maybe like Lebron

1053
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 6: like six eight two sixty but runs like a four

1054
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 6: to two. Like it's like, wait, but this doesn't seem noble.

1055
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 6: He was. He was that though, right, I mean he

1056
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 6: had that. It's funny it's that you bring that up.

1057
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 6: I don't know that people are aware, but you think

1058
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 6: about what an offensive lineman weighed in the sixties versus

1059
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 6: what Jim was. I mean, he to your you weren't kidding,

1060
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 6: like that's not hyperbole. He was bigger than many of

1061
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 6: his offensive linemen.

1062
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 4: No, he was.

1063
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 5: I mean I think he played at you know, six

1064
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 5: two two twenty something like that, and most linemen back

1065
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 5: then were six foot six foot one maybe six two

1066
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 5: right around that two twenty. So he was really bigger

1067
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 5: than probably a lot of his linemen. And when you

1068
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 5: think about that, I mean, I played offensive tackle a

1069
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 5: few years ago. I was six six three twenty at

1070
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 5: the time. So even if he was almost that size,

1071
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 5: can you imagine three hundred pounds like as big as

1072
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 5: your line, just steamrolling people. I mean, it's no wonder

1073
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 5: that he's the only man. He's the only man to

1074
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 5: average over five yards to carry for a career or something.

1075
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 5: Just crazy like that, And I think that's part of

1076
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 5: the reason he had so much respect, because he was

1077
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 5: just a man among boys in his era of football.

1078
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 5: And you think about Nick Chubb, right, obviously we love

1079
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 5: Nick Schubb. We think he's a great running back. He's

1080
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 5: a freak.

1081
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 4: You know.

1082
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 5: You see the pictures of him versus like the high

1083
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 5: school kids that he played with when he was down

1084
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 5: in Georgia, and then you think like, yeah, that was

1085
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 5: Jim Brown, only Jim was even taller, because Nick's not

1086
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 5: a real super tall guy. He was too, you know,

1087
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 5: back then. So it's just crazy to think about what

1088
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 5: He's one of the few players probably from the sixties

1089
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 5: that with his body could play in today's game, no doubt.

1090
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a little bit of like a the size, speed, strength,

1091
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 6: there's a little bit of a Wilt Chamberlain thing to it,

1092
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 6: where he was playing against people who were not of

1093
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 6: his ilk in any way, you know, So just just

1094
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 6: done it. And then it's interesting because you know, you

1095
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 6: talk about, you know, retiring, so he retires on the

1096
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 6: set of The Dirty Dozen in London. He does so

1097
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 6: after a fifteen hundred yard season where the second best

1098
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 6: rusher was Gail Sayers, who was six hundred yards behind him.

1099
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 6: He does so after a seventeen touchdown season, so in

1100
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 6: his prime off he shut it down, certainly still with

1101
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 6: much football left to go, and we know that they're

1102
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 6: extenuating circumstances in terms of model and all of that stuff,

1103
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 6: but also shut it down and then went on to

1104
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 6: have this acting career. Like you know, everybody talks about

1105
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 6: the Dirty Dozen that I'm not quite that old, but

1106
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 6: I certainly remember him at any given Sunday, And I

1107
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 6: was saying this to Gibby. In any given Sunday, he's

1108
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 6: in a lot of scenes with Pacino and is up

1109
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 6: to it.

1110
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 5: Man, he was amazing. And that crossover effect that he

1111
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 5: had being able to be the best player in football

1112
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 5: at the time, retire at his peak, and then seamlessly

1113
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 5: move into movies and do a lot of you know,

1114
00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 5: great shows. It's amazing. Like he was on trained as

1115
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 5: an actor and to be able to just go right

1116
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 5: into it and capture with his leadership and his bravado

1117
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 5: on screen is completely remarkable. And I think just watching

1118
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 5: him off the field, he carried himself with such pride,

1119
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 5: and all he ever wanted was respect, and I think

1120
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 5: he got that, you know, on the movie screen, he

1121
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 5: got that, when he was in the locker room. He

1122
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 5: got that post career, and I think that that was

1123
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 5: one of the takeaways I got from him. You know,

1124
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 5: when you first get around he's such an impressive, imposing figure,

1125
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 5: you're like afraid to go up to him and even

1126
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 5: talk to him, right, But when all of a sudden

1127
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 5: you see him sitting there in the lunch room and

1128
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 5: you find yourself sitting at the same table starting to

1129
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 5: ask a few questions, and he really opens up and

1130
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 5: you realize that for him, he wants to be impactful,

1131
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 5: He wanted to really be involved in people's lives, and

1132
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 5: all he asked for in return was a little respect,

1133
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 5: you know. And it was really fun listening to sort

1134
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 5: of like the values that he had and what was

1135
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 5: important in his life and what he saw as a

1136
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 5: vision for the country, vision for football players. It was.

1137
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 5: It was really amazing the wisdom and that he shared

1138
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 5: with priceless.

1139
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 6: You know, when you when you put together the All

1140
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 6: Cleveland Browns team, we're talking to the left tackle on

1141
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 6: that team and the running back is Jim Brown. As

1142
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 6: we as we transition over to O T A s,

1143
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 6: which are are happening now, we're often running here. What

1144
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 6: what needs to be accomplished offensively, especially Joe this week,

1145
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 6: as you know we've this will be now a full

1146
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 6: off season with Sean Watson, this is there's gonna be

1147
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 6: some tweaks obviously offensively. What what do you think needs

1148
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 6: to be accomplished over the next couple of weeks.

1149
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 5: Well, I think two things are huge. One, you want

1150
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 5: to find out what are the things that DeShawn does best?

1151
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 5: You know, what are we going to be able to

1152
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 5: hang our hat on. What are those five concepts in

1153
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 5: the passing game from a route concept standpoint that we

1154
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 5: can hang our hat on when we play and it's

1155
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 5: third and six, or we're in the red zone and

1156
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 5: we got to get a first down, or the game's over.

1157
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 5: You know, what are those plays that we're really going

1158
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 5: to be able to hang our hat on. Same thing

1159
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 5: in the running game, like, what are some of those

1160
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 5: plays where we can allow Deshaun Watson to use his

1161
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 5: legs to open up the defense a little bit for

1162
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 5: maybe somebody else. Maybe it's zone read, maybe it's our

1163
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 5: po type stuff. But what are the things that he

1164
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 5: does well that he sees the defense well, but also

1165
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 5: the personnel that's in front of him, running backs, tight ends,

1166
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 5: offensive line, Like, what are those things that we all

1167
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 5: do really well? And then you can kind of build

1168
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 5: on that. I think when you're trying to build any offense,

1169
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 5: you've got to start with all, right, foundationally at our core,

1170
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 5: who are we and what are we going to do

1171
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 5: best where even if the other team knows what's coming,

1172
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 5: they can't freaking stop it. And I think that's the

1173
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 5: most important thing that you want to be able to

1174
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 5: find out right now, because then all the little iterations

1175
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 5: of those plays and the counters and the misdirections, they

1176
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 5: all play off of those core concepts. Like when we

1177
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 5: had Kyle Shanahan, it was the outside zone, strong side,

1178
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 5: it was weak side, and everything else played off of that,

1179
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 5: including the play action pass, including some of the cutback stuff.

1180
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 5: But that was the root of it, and ogas were

1181
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 5: when we learned the basics, the fundamentals, and we mastered those,

1182
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 5: and then from there we were able to kind of

1183
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 5: become a good offense because all the other stuff dominoed

1184
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 5: and flowed from there. And so I think that's really

1185
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 5: what the coaches are definitely going to be impressing upon

1186
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 5: the team right now, like this is the time we

1187
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 5: find out what we can do and who we can

1188
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 5: be when we're at our best.

1189
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 6: If we haven't had a chance to talk with you

1190
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 6: since the acquisition is Zadarius Smith. That one kind of

1191
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 6: dropped out of nowhere on Friday a couple of weeks ago.

1192
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 6: What do you make of that acquisition? It felt to

1193
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 6: us like it was Z and I would talk all

1194
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 6: the time. It felt like something was needed, either whether

1195
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 6: it was in the middle or on the edge, but

1196
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 6: something else was needed on that defensive line. What do

1197
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 6: you make of that acquisition? And how much of a

1198
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 6: difference can that make?

1199
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 5: You know, it reminds me a little bit of the

1200
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 5: conversation you and I had, and you and Z have

1201
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 5: droughout the entire season last year, Like we were sitting

1202
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 5: there in training camp. I remember in August when we

1203
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 5: were getting yep taken away by those Nats. Gibby wouldn't

1204
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 5: give us a fan. I couldn't even see the field.

1205
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 5: The cloud of Nats was so thick on us.

1206
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 4: Get ready for this fall, Buddy.

1207
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 5: I can't wait, and we were saying, you know what,

1208
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 5: they really need a veteran receiver. They need somebody to

1209
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 5: help Amari Cooper, and you know, we never really were

1210
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 5: able to do anything about it. And I think potentially

1211
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 5: Andrew Berry might be thinking, Hey, we don't want that

1212
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 5: to happen again because we know how great Miles is

1213
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 5: and we feel really good about Dalvin Thomlinson in the middle,

1214
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 5: but like to allow Miles to be at his best,

1215
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 5: which is NFL Defensive Player of the Year, he needs

1216
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 5: to have somebody on the other side. Otherwise, I don't

1217
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 5: care how great you are. If you're getting double teams

1218
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 5: and you're getting the slide every single time and the

1219
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 5: quarterback and always move away from you because there's no

1220
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 5: heat coming from the other side, he'll never be at

1221
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 5: his best and he's gonna get frustrated. And that's the

1222
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 5: last thing you want is your defensive leader, your best

1223
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 5: player on your team, to get frustrated. So I think

1224
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 5: being able to pull that off was awesome because I

1225
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 5: remember playing against him when he was in Baltimore. He

1226
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 5: was their best pass rusher for a number of years,

1227
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 5: and he's big and physical and he's tough I think

1228
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 5: he's exactly the type of guy that Jim Schwartz would

1229
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 5: want on in defense. And I know, you know, you

1230
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 5: get older, you maybe don't have as much of a

1231
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 5: burst as he used to have, but you can still

1232
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 5: rush the pass, but you can still impact the quarterback

1233
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 5: and teams can't just leave you one on one. And

1234
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 5: I think that was the most important thing. They needed

1235
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 5: a guy that maybe if you fly to him or

1236
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 5: you add a double team, like, he's probably not going

1237
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 5: to get home, but if you leave one on one,

1238
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 5: you're gonna have problems, and that really opens up things

1239
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 5: for those other guys on that defensive line.

1240
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 6: You know, Hof before a couple of segments before we

1241
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 6: had you on, we had Bubba Ventron on, your former teammate.

1242
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 6: It was the first time I got a chance to

1243
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 6: meet Yeah, first time I got a chance to meet

1244
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 6: him face to face. I'd seen him in the building,

1245
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 6: but in terms of he came to the undisclosed location

1246
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 6: and we sat down and had a conversation and as

1247
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 6: he was walking off, I said to him, I said, man,

1248
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 6: I said, man, you're gonna be a head coach. Like

1249
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 6: he's got that juice Joe he does. Did he have

1250
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 6: that as a player, he's really impressive.

1251
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 5: He did. You know, he didn't play a whole lot

1252
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 5: on defense. He would kind of filling in the secondary

1253
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 5: a little bit. But he was one of the core

1254
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 5: special teams guys, and he was, you know, one of

1255
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 5: those special teams captain ted guys that people look to

1256
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 5: because he always just did everything right, you know, and

1257
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 5: those are the guys that get respect, to get attention,

1258
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 5: and people pay attention to what you have to say.

1259
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 5: If you're always in the building, you're doing the right things,

1260
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 5: You're working as hard as you possibly can, so they

1261
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 5: see you putting in the time. And then all of

1262
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 5: a sudden, you know, he wasn't always the loudest guy,

1263
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 5: which is you know, normal as a special teams player,

1264
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 5: you're not going to be the loudest guy in the

1265
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 5: locker room because you don't have the most prominent position.

1266
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 5: But when he spoke up, people listened, and you could

1267
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 5: you could tell that that trajectory, if he wanted to

1268
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 5: go into coaching, was going to be eventually probably someday

1269
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 5: as a head coach. And I was surprised. I thought

1270
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 5: he was probably going to be the guy that was

1271
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 5: going to get the interim job in Indy last year. Yeah,

1272
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 5: and I think that was part of the reason, like

1273
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 5: a lot of the coaches on the staff were maybe

1274
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 5: a little bit rubbed the wrong way. Not only did

1275
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,919
Speaker 5: they hire somebody who wasn't a coach, but they didn't

1276
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 5: hire Bubba and give him an opportunity because everybody saw

1277
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 5: in the building the type of leadership he had and

1278
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 5: the type of head coach he was going to be someday.

1279
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 5: And if he would have gotten that opportunity, maybe he

1280
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 5: might be still staying there as a head coach. But

1281
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 5: thankfully Jim Rcaid didn't listen to anybody, and now we

1282
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 5: get one of the best special teams coaches in the NFL,

1283
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 5: and Bubba Viatrone.

1284
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 6: I just love the juice. I mean, he's just he's

1285
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 6: shot out of a cannon man like it was. It

1286
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 6: was just refreshing to talk to him. I was really

1287
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 6: really impressed with him. How is you know? It's where

1288
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 6: I was out at the Hall of Fame again this

1289
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 6: weekend from Oral Lacrosse. I feel like I'm there every

1290
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 6: two weeks and you're on the side of the building.

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01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 6: Still you still look great, buddy. How's the speech coming?

1292
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 6: If you started working on it. Where are you with that?

1293
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 5: Which good. We got the first draft in the book,

1294
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 5: Dan Murphy, Brown's pr guys helping me out, and now

1295
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 5: it's just kind of going back and forth and just

1296
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 5: making sure that your timing is right right because nobody

1297
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 5: wants you to draw on You're going to make sure

1298
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 5: you hit all the right tank cues, a little bit

1299
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,959
Speaker 5: of humor in there, and make sure the crowd's still

1300
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 5: awake when you're done. So I think it's been fun,

1301
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 5: and we've still got a little bit of time, but

1302
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 5: things are going pretty well with that. And actually the

1303
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,479
Speaker 5: interesting thing that has been kind of fun is going

1304
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 5: back and forth with the sculptor because I sat out

1305
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 5: there in Utah. Yeah, everybody to go, which was cool,

1306
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 5: and they kind of went from almost nothing to maybe

1307
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 5: eighty percent completed. And then I would say every couple

1308
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 5: days he'll send me a new video and say, hey,

1309
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 5: what do you think? What do you think we need

1310
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 5: to change? And it's weird because obviously I'm not a sculptor,

1311
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 5: so I have no idea how to explain something. But

1312
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 5: I'll be like, I don't know, the let's look a

1313
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 5: little bit goofy and then I'll send it to my

1314
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 5: wife and then of course you'll have much better feedback

1315
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 5: than I will, and then you send it back. The

1316
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 5: sculptor Ben Hammond out there in Utah, and actually this

1317
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 5: past weekend he sent me what we all thought is

1318
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 5: going to be the final deal. So he said, the

1319
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 5: next time you see this, you're gonna be pulling off

1320
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 5: the case. Wow, it's going to be in Bronze and Canton.

1321
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 5: So that was kind of an exciting moment.

1322
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 6: Wow, that's pretty cool. That is very very cool.

1323
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 4: That's pretty cool.

1324
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, that is. It's camp. I mean, there's no time

1325
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 6: like summer in Ohio, which we thrive here, but at

1326
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 6: the same time we want these days to be special

1327
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 6: but can't wait. That's going to be a fun week

1328
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 6: in campon my friend. Thank you so much for your

1329
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 6: time today, buddy.

1330
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for having me on both.

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Speaker 6: All right, the great Joe Thomas, the Hoff on the

1332
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Speaker 6: Twisted Tea Hotline brought to you by Twisted Tea Heart

1333
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 6: iced T, official sponsor of your Cleveland Browns. Keep it

1334
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 6: Twisted Cleveland. On that side of things, you have very

1335
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 6: good stuff with the Hoff and that is going to

1336
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 6: be here quickly. We're we start camp the twenty second

1337
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 6: of there were two months. Yeah from the start of camp. Oh,

1338
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 6: down in the Green Brier, that's where that's very real.

1339
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Little Browns.

1340
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 6: News hit me.

1341
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 4: The Browns have now signed all seven of their draft picks.

1342
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 4: Dewant Jones has just inked he is good to go

1343
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 4: under contract and ready. I was unaware that. I don't know.

1344
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know why. I felt like there wasn't

1345
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 4: league meetings this week. But there are league meetings this week,

1346
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 4: and there's news out of the league meetings this week.

1347
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 4: The NFL has approved a rule allowing a team to

1348
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 4: designate a roster spot on an emergency third quarterback. Okay,

1349
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 4: a couple of important rules. That player must be on

1350
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 4: the fifty three man roster. It cannot be a practice

1351
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 4: squad call up. That player can only play if the

1352
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 4: top two qbs are injured. No benchings. Okay, So does

1353
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 4: that mean you have to have three qbs active?

1354
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 6: I don't know. I can't.

1355
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like yes, it feels like.

1356
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 6: It's an exemption so that you can have three active

1357
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 6: and it won't cost against your normal active roster. That's

1358
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 6: what it seems like to me.

1359
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 4: Well, that was the original, the original tweet.

1360
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 6: That now you can keep, you can keep and protect

1361
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 6: three of them. Right.

1362
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, it says the NFL by law and allowing a

1363
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 4: third QB to be active without burning a roster spot

1364
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 4: was approved. Now it doesn't. It's not worded that way

1365
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 4: in the other stuff that I saw, But that's the

1366
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 4: tweet from rap sheet. Okay, so it sounds like we're

1367
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 4: in a good place. Yeah, Like Christian McCaffrey won't have

1368
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 4: to warm up anymore.

1369
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 6: Right, I mean that that was the one that was

1370
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 6: the death of it was that that that Niners game,

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01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 6: that was the tough one. I also saw this this

1372
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 6: morning around the league from Adam Schefter. The five players

1373
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 6: suspended in the April. Those are the Detroit Lions. The

1374
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 6: NFL now investing a second wave of potential violations scambling. Yeah,

1375
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 6: I think I think it's going to have to end

1376
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 6: up being like very similar to what has happened with

1377
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 6: the league stands on marijuana. Like as long as you're

1378
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 6: not betting on the NFL, and you're not betting on

1379
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 6: college football, which I don't know how you're which.

1380
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 4: Is very similar like in baseball or at least at

1381
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 4: the NBA level. I think you could bet on every

1382
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:28,679
Speaker 4: team except your own. Like if you told us, hey,

1383
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:33,719
Speaker 4: you can't bet on any football, College Pro, USFL, SFL,

1384
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 4: you can't bet on any football, right, Yeah, Like that's

1385
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 4: how that's what it should be. Probably I would accept

1386
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 4: that more than hey, you can't bet on anything.

1387
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 6: I agree, And I think it's I think there's just

1388
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 6: going to be more of this. There's too many states

1389
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 6: where it's legal, and yeah, you know, it just doesn't

1390
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 6: make any sense. So I think that that's going to

1391
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 6: be kind of where that goes. You mentioned we hadn't

1392
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 6: you don't even talked about the PGA Championship. There were

1393
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 6: two things that I think stuck with me most watching

1394
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 6: the PGA Championship this weekend. And certainly, you know, Koepka

1395
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 6: and his greatness was obviously a very very big part

1396
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 6: of that. But then you know, you mentioned this a

1397
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 6: little bit. Were we on air with that or was

1398
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 6: that off air? In regards to Michael Block, we talked

1399
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 6: about it off air, so oh yeah, Drew was in

1400
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:35,799
Speaker 6: here and that what Michael Block did throughout the weekend.

1401
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 6: So this is if you miss this, this was a

1402
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,600
Speaker 6: club pro who not only made the cut at the

1403
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 6: PGA Championship, he finished fifteenth. He aced the fifteenth hole

1404
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 6: in the final round, paired with Rory McElroy for Craig

1405
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 6: Crime Outside. Then he got up and down on eighteen

1406
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 6: to finish fifteenth, which ed him two hundred eighty eight

1407
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 6: thousand dollars. But more importantly, as if something'd be more

1408
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 6: important than that, it gifted him into the PGA Championship

1409
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 6: next year at Valhalla, so he will get to play

1410
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 6: in it again. In addition to that, it landed him

1411
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 6: a spot this week at Colonial YEP and then at

1412
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 6: the RBC in Canada the week after the Memorial turn

1413
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 6: it down in Columbuses and next week and then he's

1414
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 6: at the RBC after that. I would not at all

1415
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 6: be surprised by the way if the Memorial offered him

1416
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,759
Speaker 6: an exemption after what happened this weekend, it wouldn't surprise

1417
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 6: me in any way if they did that.

1418
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 4: If he goes out and does anywhere close to what

1419
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 4: he did this weekend, the Memorial would should jump all.

1420
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 6: The way they should. Yeah, I just can't even I mean,

1421
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 6: it really was a ten cup moment. The guy aced

1422
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 6: in the final round of the PGA Championship paired with

1423
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 6: Rory McElroy.

1424
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 4: And like, dunked it dunked that. I'm not even really

1425
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 4: did anything else other than just go in.

1426
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 6: Well, not only that Rory had to tell him it

1427
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 6: went in because he didn't see it. He just heard

1428
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 6: the roars, so he didn't know if it.

1429
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 4: Was a video. He's walking down the fairway looking at

1430
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 4: the at the patriots going did that go in?

1431
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 6: To go in?

1432
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 4: He didn't believe r.

1433
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 6: No. Two viral moments were great from it. Number one

1434
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 6: the one where he's at the media gaggle after his

1435
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 6: third round and one of the guys informs him that

1436
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 6: he's paired with Rory and it's like a mix of

1437
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 6: like terrified, excited, exasperated, like all of it, mostly excited.

1438
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 6: But that was really really cool. And then the moment

1439
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 6: that they captured when the guy from the Colonial who

1440
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 6: runs a Colonial called him and said we're inviting you

1441
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 6: down on the Sponges Exemption and he was like, don't

1442
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 6: say what you're gonna say to me or I'm gonna cry,

1443
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 6: and then he says it to him and he's you

1444
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 6: see the emotion of it.

1445
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 4: It's just like, let me ask my boss. He's right here.

1446
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 4: Holding a tequila. Right, fine, yeah, he'll be fine, He'll

1447
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 4: be fine. He could go do it. So that was awesome.

1448
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 4: And then the other thing I thought is there are

1449
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,799
Speaker 4: two segments of people who watch golf. There are people

1450
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 4: like sometimes z and like the Ambassador of Cool who

1451
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 4: watch every tournament, who have fantasy golf and are paying

1452
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 4: attention week in and week out to it. The diehards,

1453
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 4: and they're probably dialed in to Live versus PGA. Sure,

1454
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:09,719
Speaker 4: the vast majority of people who watch golf watch the majors.

1455
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 4: Maybe a little bit of TPC, maybe a little bit of.

1456
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 6: Memorial if you have Central Ohio ties in the old days,

1457
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,560
Speaker 6: you'd watch Firestone, you watch you know, some of the

1458
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 6: other big ones that are out there, but not much.

1459
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 6: Mostly you're watching the majors, right. Those people are not

1460
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 6: invested in any way to PGA Tour versus Live. They're not,

1461
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 6: They don't care, doesn't affect them. If you're looking for

1462
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 6: proof of that, just listen to the crowds on Saturday

1463
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 6: and Sunday, especially Sunday for Koepka, Like there was no

1464
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 6: he was in no way, shape or form a villain

1465
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 6: in any way, and people do not care about it.

1466
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 6: They don't the vast majority, so anytime that, like, I

1467
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,759
Speaker 6: thought that, like the Golf Channel specifically, and I understand

1468
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 6: that they're in business with the PGA, but I thought

1469
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 6: that their coverage of it was so slight landed by

1470
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 6: the PGA lib stuff and even the guys who are

1471
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 6: on that beat, on that golf beat, and I understand it,

1472
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 6: they're there every day, but like Rory, what we talked about,

1473
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 6: Rory was exasperated by the questioning of it last week

1474
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 6: at his media availability, and that's that's done. It's done.

1475
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 6: When I'm watching Kopka on Sunday, after I got done

1476
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 6: with all the UTH sports, I'm watching the back nine,

1477
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 6: it's just Brooks Kopka, and what he is to me

1478
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 6: is he's the best golfer since Tiger Woods. When he's

1479
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 6: at his best, he's better than anybody else. That's it.

1480
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 6: He's just clutch. He's in the mix always. It's been

1481
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 6: so long since we've seen like Rory at his best.

1482
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 6: It's probably been about ten years since we've wrote like

1483
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 6: fourteen it's probably the last time we really saw him

1484
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 6: at his best. Kopka at his best is better than

1485
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 6: anybody else's best. Yeah, He's a machine, that guy is.

1486
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, put your difference, settle your differences. Yep, these guys

1487
01:14:58,880 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 4: all playing together again.

1488
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 6: Well, I don't know that there's a path for that,

1489
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 6: but there's I said, see like a back and forth

1490
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 6: about with Brad Faxon and Brandal Chamblie on the Golf

1491
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 6: Channel about like Ryder Cup and facts. It's like, he's

1492
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 6: an American playing golf, Like what difference does it make?

1493
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,600
Speaker 6: What tour he's on. He just won the PGA Championship.

1494
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 6: He's one of the twelve best Americans. You need him

1495
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 6: on Team USA. Yeah, if you care, Yeah, exactly, if

1496
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 6: you care, you do Yep, for sure. So I thought

1497
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,919
Speaker 6: I thought, I thought that was good theater. It's interesting,

1498
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 6: like Lebron and the Lakers are. They'll get swept tonight

1499
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 6: or they'll lose in the gentlemen's sweep in Denver on

1500
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 6: I guess it would be Wednesday. Either way, they have

1501
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 6: no they have no chance. It's really interesting though, because

1502
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 6: all of those games have been great games. Denver just

1503
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 6: it feels like no matter what La does, Denver has

1504
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 6: the answer. But they've all been competitive, which is not

1505
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 6: what we can say about Boston and Miami.

1506
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 4: No as good as the entire NBA playoffs. For Yeah,

1507
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 4: the conference finals have been.

1508
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 6: Well, the West the crazy thing. It's three to oh,

1509
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 6: but all of the games have been tight in the

1510
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 6: last two minutes. They could have gone either way. It's

1511
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 6: interesting they could have gone either way, but they couldn't,

1512
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 6: if that makes sense. They're at no point did I

1513
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 6: think the Lakers are going to win any of those

1514
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 6: three games. I watched them all. At no point. Denver

1515
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 6: always had the correct answer to the test. And I

1516
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 6: don't think, unlike like Boston's a total meltdown failure. I

1517
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 6: don't think it's a meltdown failure for the Lakers. I

1518
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:22,759
Speaker 6: think that they're reaching their ceiling.

1519
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 4: They had a play in game just to get into

1520
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 4: the playoffs.

1521
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 6: Right right, and they they had. This team has been

1522
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 6: together for about two and a half months, so to me,

1523
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 6: like they're maxing out and it's just Denver's Denver's just

1524
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 6: really good. Yeah, it's kind of the operation on that.

1525
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 6: It was a it was a very very fun sports weekend,

1526
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 6: all right. Coming up next, we will get some perspective

1527
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 6: on the great Jim Brown from the Great Doug Deacon.

1528
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1540
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1541
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Speaker 6: the Legend joining us, Deeke. This is the news dropped

1542
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:48,640
Speaker 6: on Friday of Jim's passing. You've been at how countless

1543
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 6: events Brown's Legends gatherings over the years with Jim. How

1544
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 6: did it hit you and what can you tell us

1545
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 6: of your relationship with one of the greatest ever play

1546
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 6: the game?

1547
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 8: Well, first off, I was kind of tipped off a

1548
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 8: couple of weeks in advance. Somebody, one of his friends

1549
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 8: had said that he was not doing well. And you know,

1550
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 8: you think of a guy like Jim Brown, you think

1551
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 8: of one destructible, and you know it's you know, sad

1552
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,640
Speaker 8: to see, you know, one of the greatest of the

1553
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 8: game pass away. And you know, obviously when you say

1554
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 8: Jim Brown, you immediately think of the Cleveland Browns and

1555
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 8: they go hand in hand and Jim I got. I

1556
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 8: first met Jim during the Players Association strike in eighty

1557
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 8: two out in Las Vegas, and I got to know him,

1558
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 8: and he was he was a guy that he liked

1559
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 8: to challenge you if you said something, and he challenged

1560
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 8: you on it, just you know, see if you if

1561
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 8: you were full of it or if you were you know,

1562
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 8: knew what you were talking about. And you know he was.

1563
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 8: He was intimidating, you know, be it on the field

1564
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 8: or off the field. But he did a lot of

1565
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 8: good things for a lot of people and helped a

1566
01:18:59,080 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 8: lot of people out.

1567
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:02,640
Speaker 6: You know, Dick, that's interesting what you just said. So

1568
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 6: he was at a he was at the player that

1569
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 6: in eighty two, even though he was playing for all

1570
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 6: those years.

1571
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, well I think he was

1572
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 8: a speaker that year, and uh, you know, it was

1573
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 8: in Las Vegas, and you know a lot of guys

1574
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 8: don't turn down trips to Las Vegas. And then uh,

1575
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 8: you know, and uh, Belichick brought him back here, you know,

1576
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,679
Speaker 8: when he was the head coach, you know, because Bill

1577
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 8: had a history of the game and appreciated what Jim

1578
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 8: had done. And you know, there's been a separation between

1579
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 8: him and our model. And you know, Belichick, you know,

1580
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 8: brought him back into the clubhouse and you got to

1581
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 8: know him. And I'd take him out the golf course

1582
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 8: and we'd play, and you know, I think Jim was

1583
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 8: probably an eight or nine handicap at the time, and

1584
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 8: I'd tell whoever we were playing, he was at fifteen.

1585
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 8: And they didn't get a rat asset, you know, you

1586
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 8: know what his handicap was. They were just playing with

1587
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 8: Jim Brown.

1588
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 6: And you're saying, by with Jim Brown.

1589
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, why not. These guys been taking my money.

1590
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 8: These guys been taking my money all this time. I

1591
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 8: might as well get some of theirs.

1592
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 6: That's amazing. That is absolutely great. So did he that's

1593
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 6: amazing too. So he was he was that proficient a golfer.

1594
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 6: I did the lacrosse and know the football. I didn't

1595
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 6: realize he was that good of a golfer.

1596
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 8: Oh yeah he was. I mean it was you name it,

1597
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 8: he could do it. Uh you know. And you know

1598
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 8: there's where there was a you know, golf course over

1599
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 8: on the East Side when he was you know, actually

1600
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 8: playing for the Browns. He's play and he's playing money

1601
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 8: games over there. And I think he did okay, well,

1602
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 8: you know, with himself as far as playing. But yeah, no,

1603
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 8: if you know, if I called somebody and said, hey,

1604
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 8: you want to play golf and Saturday, I don't know

1605
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 8: who you got, I say, Jim Brown, I'll play. And

1606
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 8: you know, the one guy that was a good friend

1607
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 8: of mine, he was I mean, he just had the

1608
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 8: smartest mouth in the world. And and I he was

1609
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 8: in our forcehome one time. I said, oh boy, this

1610
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 8: ain't going to be good. Mister Brown. Kind of gets

1611
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 8: your ball, Mister Brown kind of wiped your clubs. He

1612
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 8: just got he just turned into uh something. But I mean,

1613
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 8: you know, anybody that ever met him, I mean, you know,

1614
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 8: he was an imposing figure and he's one of the

1615
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 8: well not the greatest of all time. And yeah, Jim was.

1616
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:26,680
Speaker 8: He did a lot of good things for a lot

1617
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 8: of people too. I mean, it wasn't just Jim Brown

1618
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 8: the football player, Oh.

1619
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 6: No, far from it. No, there was there were so

1620
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 6: many layers to it, and he was one of those

1621
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 6: guys deek from the standpoint of even really great players

1622
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 6: were humbled, it seemed by being in his presence. Some

1623
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 6: you were obviously someone who was great, greatly familiar with

1624
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 6: him and became a friend. But in terms of it

1625
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 6: was interesting. You see him amongst other NFL greats. Even

1626
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 6: he he even separates, doesn't.

1627
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 8: He, Yeah, he does. I think you know, well, I

1628
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 8: mean when the talk about the goat of running backs,

1629
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 8: you know, it's Jim Brown, and it might have me

1630
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 8: to go to football players and uh yeah, you know,

1631
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 8: one of the other people that I knew that you know,

1632
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:12,520
Speaker 8: was similar to that. You know, the goat of linebackers

1633
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 8: was Dick but this and you know, Dick on the

1634
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,640
Speaker 8: field was just a you know, total animal. But off

1635
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 8: the field, Dick was a great guy. But he's I know,

1636
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 8: in my career, he's the only guy whould never cut

1637
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 8: and uh, you know, out of respect for the fact

1638
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 8: that he also went to Illinois, but also out of

1639
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 8: the fact that I knew he might chase me off

1640
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 8: the field if I did.

1641
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true.

1642
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 8: Oh and and Dick, like you know Jim, I mean,

1643
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 8: you get him in a conversation and they're they're just

1644
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 8: nice people. I mean, they're uh, there's a lot of

1645
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 8: thought and what they say. And Jim, you know, always

1646
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 8: chose his words. And I remember back when you know,

1647
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 8: people were kneeling during the protest of you know, the

1648
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 8: American national anthem, and I think Jim spoke to the

1649
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 8: team and the way I understood what he said, what

1650
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:10,799
Speaker 8: he told me he said was respect your country, respect

1651
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 8: your flag. And I got no problem with that.

1652
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, you have the right to say whatever you want

1653
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 6: on any of those front swim when you're certainly when

1654
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 6: you're Jim Brown his you know what one thing, it's

1655
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 6: so linked when you think of him, you know, obviously

1656
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 6: Paul Brown Jim Brown, I mean when you think and

1657
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 6: it's odd that they're both less obviously named for Paul,

1658
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 6: but just from the standpoint of of both like linked forever.

1659
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 6: And I think what we had Joe Thomas on at

1660
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 6: the top of the hour and we were talking about,

1661
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 6: you know, just Jim's size and the fact that he

1662
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:45,600
Speaker 6: was bigger than a lot of his offensive linemen. Like,

1663
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 6: it's hard now to wrap our head around that, isn't it.

1664
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 8: Deeke, Yeah it is. I mean, well he was what

1665
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 8: about two hundred and thirty pounds and your linebackers weighed

1666
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 8: about two fifteen back then, right, And you know, I

1667
01:23:56,479 --> 01:24:00,719
Speaker 8: think unfortunately for some of his linemen. You know, Jim

1668
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 8: was so good that you know, people didn't give credit

1669
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 8: to some of the offensive linemen. It took Gene Hickerson

1670
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 8: well beyond the time to get into the Hall of Fame.

1671
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 8: And I think you could make a case for Dick

1672
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 8: Schaffraf was it was a great player, played in a

1673
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 8: lot of games with Jim, and you know, never got

1674
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 8: that recognition. You know, John Wooten was a great player. Uh.

1675
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,600
Speaker 8: You know that whole crew there that was that was

1676
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:31,679
Speaker 8: a darn good offensive line. Yeah, you had Jean Mary

1677
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 8: Smith and and you know John Morrow. I mean that, uh,

1678
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 8: the combination of a great running back and a great

1679
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 8: offensive line. You know, that was a pretty formidable team.

1680
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 8: And you know the Browns have you know the great

1681
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 8: history of uh of running backs. You know, you start

1682
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 8: with Marion Motley and then you got Bobby Mitchell, you

1683
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 8: got Jim, and you got Lee Roy, you know, and

1684
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 8: today you got Nick Chubb.

1685
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's something, there's a there's a lineage there. It's

1686
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 6: one of the cool things. You know, Dick, You've been

1687
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 6: omnipresident in the organization for so many years now, and

1688
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 6: I'm obviously relatively new to it, but it's it's one

1689
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 6: of those things where you never know who you're going

1690
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 6: to run into in the building. And I'm sure you

1691
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 6: always got an advanced warning if if Jim was going

1692
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:18,759
Speaker 6: to be in town, if you guys are paling around,

1693
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 6: But just for the rest of us, it was a

1694
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 6: big deal when he was in the building, and and

1695
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 6: it was exciting when he was in the building. It

1696
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 6: was it was known that Jim Brown was in the building.

1697
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I you know, when he passed away, I

1698
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 8: had some people that you know, I had introduced him

1699
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 8: to and you know, that's a memory of a lifetime

1700
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 8: for them. You know, you've met the greatest of all time.

1701
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 8: And you know, he was always cordial to people. Uh,

1702
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 8: you know, like I said, he would challenge it though

1703
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 8: he said something and he wasn't sold on it. He'd say, well,

1704
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 8: what do you mean by that, and.

1705
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 6: That's right, he explained it.

1706
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, and you know he just you know, he's pretty

1707
01:25:57,920 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 8: much spoke what he thought.

1708
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 6: That's that's the important thing. He would he would call

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01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 6: you out. I'd seen him do this where if if

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01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 6: he would challenge it quick, wouldn't he if you said

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01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 6: something that he was he was going to find out

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01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 6: if you were a man of consequence or if it

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01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 6: was just nonsense, he would he would hold your feet

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01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 6: to the fire on it.

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01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I know he wasn't gonna get you weren't

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01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:26,559
Speaker 8: going to smoke him with bs, that's for sure, you know.

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01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 8: He uh yeah, he would say now what do you

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01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 8: mean by that? Or how how did that?

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01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 4: You know?

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01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 8: And he always had he in others he was listening

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01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 8: to what you were saying. You know a lot of

1722
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:40,639
Speaker 8: people you know give you this shoulder and say okay,

1723
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 8: but you know Jim must say how do you mean that?

1724
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 8: So yeah, that was Jim. And on the golf course,

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01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 8: he I mean, you know, he liked to compete obviously,

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01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 8: and he was a he was a good golfer. And

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01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 8: they said we we'd stand back with him. But he

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01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 8: also had this habit if you were standing anywhere behind him.

1729
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 8: He'd asked you to move like you could see you

1730
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 8: and I'm going, you got to be kidding, guy. But

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01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 8: now he had he had a good golf game too,

1732
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 8: and you know he'd loved to play.

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01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 6: I'm not sure that he was bad at much of anything, honestly, decon, No,

1734
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 6: it's pretty damn he was great in any lacrosse.

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01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, lacrosse. I mean, you know the guy and he

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01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 8: played basketball. Uh, you know it was before my time,

1737
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 8: but I mean when the Browns used to have that

1738
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 8: team that would go around and uh play, I'm sure

1739
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 8: you know if Jim Brown was playing that that the

1740
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 8: gym would be full, that's for sure.

1741
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:44,599
Speaker 6: Peak. I'll get you out of here on this one.

1742
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:47,680
Speaker 6: As someone who knew him, Well, what's something that you

1743
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 6: would want our fans to know about Jim Brown that

1744
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 6: maybe they didn't?

1745
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 8: I you know, you know, you know there's some you know,

1746
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 8: he had some troubles in his life, but you know,

1747
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 8: I think when you get down to it, you know, uh,

1748
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 8: Jim you know, cared about his fellow man and uh

1749
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 8: and you know, I think you know, the players that

1750
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 8: played with him respected him, and you know, I think

1751
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 8: that's when you play. That's the ultimate goal is to

1752
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 8: be respected by your teammates. And I you know, I

1753
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 8: think his teammates definitely respected Jim. And you know, we

1754
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 8: were very fortunate, Cleveland was very fortunate to have the

1755
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 8: greatest of all time, you know, line up in the

1756
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 8: in the backfield here for nine years.

1757
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 4: Deek.

1758
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 6: I can't tell you how much we appreciate you coming

1759
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 6: on today. It's so cool to have you, buddy. Great

1760
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 6: talking to you again. Thank you so much for your time,

1761
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 6: my friend.

1762
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:44,600
Speaker 8: Okay, anytime, Okay.

1763
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 6: That is the great Doug Deacon, of course, Brown's legend

1764
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 6: and former radio analysts, one of the all timers calling

1765
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 6: in on the Twisted Tea Hotline. And of course Deeke

1766
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 6: is Sam began with Jim Brown.

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01:28:56,600 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 4: That's the most of course, that's on brand speaking so great.

1768
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 4: I don't know it was for Jim Brown. Yeah, it

1769
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:07,600
Speaker 4: was totally. I want to know if Jim new that

1770
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:08,799
Speaker 4: deck was setting everything.

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01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:13,679
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, oh yeah, he's an eight or he's a fifteen. God,

1772
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 6: that's amazing. Yeah, that absolutely killed me. All right, so

1773
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Speaker 6: great with Off and with Deeke to reflect on on

1782
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 6: Jim Brown and and their recollections of him, and of

1783
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 6: course Deeke palin around. I mean, that was just priceless.

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01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 4: We're just talking about it and break like that was

1785
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 4: Jim in on it?

1786
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 6: Or was that all in play?

1787
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:19,800
Speaker 7: Rolling?

1788
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 6: Rolling, rolling with the punches Jim follow It's all in play.

1789
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 6: It's all in play with Deke. I mean, I can

1790
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 6: just see it. It's just perfect. Absolutely was so Hey.

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01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:40,799
Speaker 6: If you're they, I would say, our digital team are writers,

1792
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 6: the video guys. They have put some of the some

1793
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 6: really cool stuff up on the on the site. And

1794
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 6: if you want to if you're young, if you're a

1795
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 6: younger person, you're you're trying to wrap your head around

1796
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 6: the football life on Jim Brown is amazing. I wonder

1797
01:30:56,280 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 6: if they're I don't know if that's been I wonder

1798
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 6: if that that's got a bit been replayed, But if

1799
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 6: you can find that on the NFL network, that's been very,

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01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 6: very good. Do you remember when ESPN did their the

1801
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:17,640
Speaker 6: Sports Century List? Yes, where did Jim end up on?

1802
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 6: It was the fifty greatest athletes of the twentieth century,

1803
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:25,679
Speaker 6: and Jim Brown was fourth on that list. The only

1804
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 6: ppe he looked up to were Muhammad Ali, Babe Ruth,

1805
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 6: and Michael Jordan. That's it. That's the list.

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01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 4: Muhammad Ali, I think if you asked him back in

1807
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 4: the day, might have put Jim Brown ahead of himself.

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01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I'm trying. The next football player on

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01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 6: the on this list was Joe Montana was twenty fifth. Yeah.

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01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 6: So heavy stuff. There's a lot of good stuff out

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Speaker 6: there if you want to educate yourself, if you don't know,

1812
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 6: and you should and you should. Yeah, yep, absolutely all right.

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Speaker 6: The next level is coming up next. We are back tomorrow.

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01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:02,040
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