Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories, done.
Speaker 3: Done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up and SVU Podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm your host Kara Klank and I'm Li's a Tragger
Speaker 2: and we talk SVU crimes, celeb guests and it's a
Speaker 2: jam packed episode week after a week.
Speaker 1: Honestly, yeah truly.
Speaker 4: And you did just take a sip of something, and
Speaker 4: I know it's not a corona, but for a second,
Speaker 4: I was like, damn, she's just drinking a corona.
Speaker 1: It's a high life. Oh nice. I literally thought it
Speaker 1: was like a fancy soda. I thought it was like
Speaker 1: a fancy soda. No.
Speaker 2: You know, I've had a busy day and so I
Speaker 2: didn't have time to go down and get a second
Speaker 2: iced coffee or Arnold Palmer and there was a little
Speaker 2: baby dye oft coke in the fridge. But then I
Speaker 2: saw the high life and I went, my throat hurts.
Speaker 2: Why not it's spring cause I'm gonna smoke a joint
Speaker 2: right now too. So it's like I need something to
Speaker 2: smooth smooth the cords. But I'm flying tomorrow for the
Speaker 2: first time in like five weeks, and I'm kind of
Speaker 2: so stressed out.
Speaker 1: I'm bringing the trunk, I don't know, the trunk, like
Speaker 1: the big that big thing. Oh yeah, because I want
Speaker 1: to swim.
Speaker 2: I have so many shows I'm taping, Like there's just
Speaker 2: like so much stuff and what am I trying to prove?
Speaker 1: What am I trying to prove by not?
Speaker 4: You know, every time I feel like I'm overpacked for
Speaker 4: a trip, I just think about what the housewives bring
Speaker 4: on a three day trip to like Puerto Rico, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm okay, it's okay for me to take
Speaker 4: like one massive suitcase and like a small You're just
Speaker 4: punishing yourself.
Speaker 2: Like that's what does suck, is like you can can't
Speaker 2: be late to the airport because then they won't take
Speaker 2: your back.
Speaker 1: And that is what's hard. That's the one hard thing.
Speaker 2: You can't, you know, because you get all the clears
Speaker 2: and the things, and you're excited, but you gotta go.
Speaker 1: Or you gotta get there for the bag drop or
Speaker 1: they don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't. They're really annoying with that. They don't
Speaker 4: fuck around the bag drop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think I have to bring everything, like unfortunately,
Speaker 2: that's what this trip is. I have like seven things
Speaker 2: every single day. Damn that's that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well I have to jam pack the LA because I
Speaker 2: won't be back, so I just try to jam pack.
Speaker 1: It's your last time coming to LA ever, I mean
Speaker 1: hopefully no, no, no, of course not of course not.
Speaker 2: But we we okay, So we haven't talked a lot
Speaker 2: about a lot. We didn't talk about Meg the Stallion,
Speaker 2: we didn't talk about I guess we've talked about summerhouse.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Wasn't there something where oh Melissa McCarthy,
Speaker 1: But we don't want either.
Speaker 4: I know at that time I was going to be
Speaker 4: very old for you guys, but you know, we're always
Speaker 4: in the time machine because of travels and end life.
Speaker 4: But like this, if you don't watch current episodes, which
Speaker 4: I think many of you don't, you still probably saw
Speaker 4: on social media that Melissa McCarthy like went to the
Speaker 4: SVU set wearing an old lady prosthetic mask so that
Speaker 4: she could surprise Marushka Hargate. And then she was in
Speaker 4: an episode playing I think a wrestler or like a
Speaker 4: wrestling personality type, person who hits aggressively on rush Carte.
Speaker 4: And I haven't watched it yet because I'm behind on
Speaker 4: the current season and you know, I'm like.
Speaker 1: I got to watch in order, but like what it's
Speaker 1: given Kathy Griffin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's also like it's season twenty seven and
Speaker 2: she's such a big star. It's it's awesting. But we've
Speaker 2: been saying this since the beginning. We are scholars. At
Speaker 2: the end of the day, we are scholars. And the
Speaker 2: first two episodes we're like, it's going back, it's going
Speaker 2: back to the special guest star format with regular people,
Speaker 2: and we I feel like I said that before, even
Speaker 2: Jamia McGirk, like, but you could tell it was going
Speaker 2: in that direction and we were correct. We were correct,
Speaker 2: and it is and we're going to continue. And for
Speaker 2: the love of God, can I put myself on tape?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 1: I mean people have been meming it.
Speaker 2: It's like Amelia McCarthy's doing a movie with Connor's story,
Speaker 2: shooting May in June.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool choices a comedy or it says thriller, it
Speaker 2: says like crime thriller. So I'm excited he's doing a
Speaker 2: comedy called Peak, Like, I mean, they're making really amazing choices,
Speaker 2: working with so many women, Like I'm obsessed with them.
Speaker 4: It's funny because Martin, you are wait what hold on
Speaker 4: say that again? You're Melissa McCarthy is just so funny.
Speaker 4: I have seen her be great in Drum. I really
Speaker 4: liked her in that Please for of Me? Or is
Speaker 4: that what it's called?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but it's it's yeah, will you please forgive me?
Speaker 1: But what a fucking terrible name.
Speaker 2: But but like an identity thief, like it's a you know,
Speaker 2: a broad comedy whatever. But like you do feel for
Speaker 2: her character and stuff, like I think she does. You know,
Speaker 2: she's like an orphan. But like I think, I think
Speaker 2: even in comedy she she grounds it in real emotion.
Speaker 1: She totally does. She's just so funny all the time.
Speaker 2: She could be funny in this because Spy was I
Speaker 2: don't know, we'll see he's funny too. I mean it
Speaker 2: could be a comedic crime thriller. I mean he just
Speaker 2: says crime thriller because.
Speaker 4: It's like even Kathy Griffin when she's in SVU, she's
Speaker 4: got like funny zingers, but they're kind of like her characters,
Speaker 4: like kind of serious, like about lesbianism and protecting lesbians.
Speaker 2: Say, some people are just funny doing everything because I
Speaker 2: don't know, because when I saw Titus Syndronicus, like there
Speaker 2: were funny moments and there was also you know, hands
Speaker 2: cut off so you could really do at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, yeah, I don't. I'm very interested to
Speaker 1: see her in like a thriller. I know.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you know I'm already harassing my
Speaker 2: team yet me in there, I'm like so desperate for well,
Speaker 2: I just yeah, it's like fun to work, so of
Speaker 2: course I want more of it.
Speaker 1: Wait, but today, so I misread the fucking timer.
Speaker 2: But the official heated rivalry merch came out today and
Speaker 2: I thought it was had twelve hours, but it was
Speaker 2: twelve minutes. So by the time I got to it,
Speaker 2: the fucking Montreal Metro sweatshirt was sold out in like
Speaker 2: seven minutes.
Speaker 1: Oh no, but I.
Speaker 2: Got the New York Admirals one, which is great. I
Speaker 2: live in New York and like, so that makes sense.
Speaker 2: And then my friend Gail, who I messaged with NonStop,
Speaker 2: like and this is a spoiler to those who don't know.
Speaker 2: But the Metro's treat Shane like shit when he comes
Speaker 2: out and like is gay. And so my friends like,
Speaker 2: fuck the Metros. We're not wearing any Metros merch. I'm like,
Speaker 2: you're so right, like we can back in the books.
Speaker 2: That happens in the books, Like in the books eventually,
Speaker 2: like you know, they're like everyone's gonna know they're gay guys,
Speaker 2: you know, grow up and they're like awful and homophobic
Speaker 2: and like don't treat Shane right. And so then I
Speaker 2: was like, Wow, my friend really knew how to make
Speaker 2: me feel better. I go, yeah, I'm not supporting that
Speaker 2: team boring a Metro sweat, No, I would get it
Speaker 2: if they re released it. But because he actually wears
Speaker 2: in the show, the other ones are just replicup. They
Speaker 2: don't wear them, like it's fun to have stuff that's
Speaker 2: used in the show. But I did get the admirals one.
Speaker 2: Good job congrats.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: While I was watching my because I my homework is,
Speaker 2: I'm watching a Russian show about sex workers actually right now,
Speaker 2: oh scripted, scripted. Yeah, they're trying to get out of
Speaker 2: the sex work business and open a gym, but they
Speaker 2: have to pay their pimp out and they're women and
Speaker 2: it's a small town and everyone's against them, and like
Speaker 2: there's four of them and one of them as a
Speaker 2: kid who likes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And how is it watching the TV show in Russian?
Speaker 1: Can you get everything? Well? That's why. Then I have
Speaker 1: my lessons with my teacher.
Speaker 2: So then I watch the show and then I have
Speaker 2: all the questions and word and everything, and then we
Speaker 2: go over.
Speaker 1: What I watched. Amazing, I go over all.
Speaker 2: This stuff, and then we offshoot if things come up,
Speaker 2: and we talk about regular life so I can like
Speaker 2: and then she makes lists of words for me that
Speaker 2: we discussed from everything and sentences and then I go
Speaker 2: print those out and then I write them over and
Speaker 2: over again and make flash cards, and then I try
Speaker 2: to read and write.
Speaker 1: And that's what I've been up to. And you're writing
Speaker 1: in the you're writing in like the cyrillic and everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it looks like shit.
Speaker 2: And then I've made the background of my phone the alphabet,
Speaker 2: so then when I'm like struggling because it's confusing to me,
Speaker 2: I can just look at it right on my course.
Speaker 1: It's a different alpha about it. It's terrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the H is the N, so like
Speaker 2: the P is the R. It's like shit like that
Speaker 2: the R is a I.
Speaker 1: But that's so cool. I mean TV's you know, you
Speaker 1: always say that you fucking like learn English from Baywatch,
Speaker 1: right or no? Like yeah, and like and and I
Speaker 1: learned so much Italian from watching Sex and the City
Speaker 1: dubbed because I knew Sex and the City like by heart.
Speaker 1: And I would like like watch it with the dictionary. It.
Speaker 4: TV's such a good tool for like language, that's really
Speaker 4: good that you're will.
Speaker 1: Still do it.
Speaker 2: I meet people still constantly that, like, you know, it's
Speaker 2: fun to it's fun to learn the show they.
Speaker 1: Watched to learn English.
Speaker 2: And I guess Friends is like a big one for
Speaker 2: people worldwide internationally. My friend was just telling me she
Speaker 2: moved to the States when she was like six. She
Speaker 2: learned from Full House. Wow, so she's a clean cut kid.
Speaker 2: That's a clean cut kid. I was like a slutty
Speaker 2: la girl for lifeguards.
Speaker 4: You're like that bathing suit's a little low cut, could
Speaker 4: see it look could use a little more thigh.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 4: She learned how to say like, she learned how to
Speaker 4: say like listended like first thing with her like first
Speaker 4: words in English.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I told her.
Speaker 2: I need more like upbeat stuff because the Russian movie
Speaker 2: I saw in the theaters just.
Speaker 1: Depress the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can the two prosecutors, but then I watched
Speaker 2: interviews with that actor and stuff like whatever. So that's
Speaker 2: what we do, so I understand some of it, and
Speaker 2: then everything I don't understand, or I like sayings or
Speaker 2: that's what we discuss. And then sometimes like the words
Speaker 2: they use. She's like, that's like a fucked up way
Speaker 2: to speak, like I wouldn't disrespect sex workers, like there
Speaker 2: was a word, and she's like, well, that's if you're
Speaker 2: being rude.
Speaker 1: That's like calling someone like a dumb slut. You know.
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with like learning words in other cultures and
Speaker 2: languages where it's like.
Speaker 1: Oh, you don't say that, like you don't.
Speaker 4: Like I would hear people say stuff in Italian and
Speaker 4: I'd be like, so what does that mean. They'd be like,
Speaker 4: you don't say that, like don't and I'd be like,
Speaker 4: oh okay, I'd be like, well, what's that like in English?
Speaker 4: I mean like the C word, like like people like
Speaker 4: but now people say count all the time, Like I
Speaker 4: don't know, there's not as many. I feel like there's
Speaker 4: all these things that are like in other languages that
Speaker 4: I feel like, your mom is a fucking pig slut,
Speaker 4: and you just wouldn't say that in English really ever,
Speaker 4: Like you know what I mean, there's no like phrase
Speaker 4: that is that.
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of like it's hard to understand, Like
Speaker 2: I don't know, what do you think is somebody there's
Speaker 2: like whoa, you don't say that, Like I don't know yet,
Speaker 2: I have no idea, because I also like I'm not
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
Speaker 2: I think it used to be kunt, but like, oh,
Speaker 2: you mean in English?
Speaker 1: Say I mean in Russia in English? English? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: in English, she'll get shocked about cunt.
Speaker 2: It really depends because this was twenty years ago. I
Speaker 2: was younger but like maybe a little less. But when
Speaker 2: I was a slam receptionist. There's a girl who dumped
Speaker 2: her boyfriend because he called.
Speaker 1: Her a bitch, and I'm like, oh, which is cool,
Speaker 1: Like I'm glad she did that, but like I don't
Speaker 1: so then I don't know. I don't know if someone
Speaker 1: who's like you're being a bit. It's kind of like that.
Speaker 2: Indiana Pacers couple when she's like, what the fuck are
Speaker 2: you talking about? And a lot of people were like, wait,
Speaker 2: that's like that's way, and it's like, no, that's like normal,
Speaker 2: like people normally stupid.
Speaker 1: Do you not know? Did we not talk about these?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: I didn't talk about this okay.
Speaker 2: So, like a few weeks ago, there was just like,
Speaker 2: you know, the not the boomer cam. What is it
Speaker 2: called this JumboTron JumboTron, I don't know cam it only
Speaker 2: gets boomers being like oh trump, yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I forgot the word.
Speaker 2: So so it's this couple in their court side and
Speaker 2: she's just like so cute, and he's just babbling and
Speaker 2: babbling and you don't know what he's babbling about, but
Speaker 2: you just see her and it's obvious what she's saying.
Speaker 1: And she goes, she goes, that's you. What the fuck
Speaker 1: are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Okay, now that you're describing it, I think this meme
Speaker 2: like flew past my feed, like I'm picturing the couple.
Speaker 2: But they were just perfect, and then they did interviews
Speaker 2: together and he's like, get yourself a perfect midwestern girl,
Speaker 2: like I love her. But like people were like pissed,
Speaker 2: and she's like, we like each other and says, no,
Speaker 2: we talk like I don't know. Yeah, everyone is so different.
Speaker 2: I don't know what someone would say to me. I
Speaker 2: don't know, like I think someone I think like I
Speaker 2: think calling someone like an animal, I think is oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's like like the pig slut. I think, like, if
Speaker 2: you're a pig, you're a dog. Like, I think that's
Speaker 2: kind of fucked. But no kink shaming. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: think that's like kind of fucked. I think that would
Speaker 2: be rude if I was on stage and went, you
Speaker 2: fucking pig, like I think.
Speaker 1: I think that would be an issue. Only out of
Speaker 1: the mouth of our president. Is it accepted by society?
Speaker 1: I forgot.
Speaker 2: I love how there was a shooting and all the
Speaker 2: whole country is like, well, it clearly wasn't real. So yeah,
Speaker 2: and we've moved like no one believes that. We're fine
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 4: We're in the Boy Who Cried Wolf territory. Wal, I'm like,
Speaker 4: show me an open wound.
Speaker 1: I don't care. He's like chilling sand.
Speaker 2: But I also love the point that people said the
Speaker 2: first or the second whatever, the famous one was where
Speaker 2: It's like if that motherfucker was shot, he wouldn't have
Speaker 2: stopped talking about it, like y and where.
Speaker 4: Is his ear? That's where they're all. They're all like
Speaker 4: ears don't grow back?
Speaker 1: What the fuck? Like they're all all there. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's changing in the way anyone is
Speaker 4: actually doing anything, but they're coming around a little bit.
Speaker 1: Well. And you know why I have this beer, Cara.
Speaker 2: I also like to say, is because last night, while
Speaker 2: I was watching Twilight for our Patreon I bought I
Speaker 2: got some shrimp and schiladas and picked up a couple
Speaker 2: of beers at the bodega.
Speaker 1: Why sorry, somebody came and I don't did you know that? Ris?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: But the face you made was when I said enchiladas
Speaker 2: and I was like, what the fuck are you trying?
Speaker 1: Like what? Sorry? I was like, no one ever face
Speaker 1: times me.
Speaker 4: And it was also a person not no one ever
Speaker 4: faces me, but it was a person I don't know
Speaker 4: face timing me, and I was like what sorry? And
Speaker 4: I'm also on airplane. How come you can FaceTime me
Speaker 4: on airplane?
Speaker 2: Because it's I message I I'm not focused now, I'm
Speaker 2: on focused now.
Speaker 4: I would never make a face about an enchilada. I
Speaker 4: love it so.
Speaker 2: Wait oh I'll shout it out, piqitos, thank you for
Speaker 2: giving me a taste of la like I it's like
Speaker 2: la perfect Mexican style, like what I love at Amigos
Speaker 2: and Pasadena.
Speaker 1: It's like so good and it's fifteen.
Speaker 2: I spent fifteen dollars on rice, beans, shrimp and shiladas.
Speaker 2: Ooh okay, in this economy, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Go get it again. That is nothing we talk about
Speaker 1: in our intros is sponsored. This is just shit. We
Speaker 1: like no, but we were talking about languait language talking yeah,
Speaker 1: like like rude things, like the rudest things you can say.
Speaker 2: Oh, just I was just I was just gonna say
Speaker 2: language is crazy. So then I learned, like work, I
Speaker 2: know words and then I'll say a word and she goes,
Speaker 2: that's mean, that's not angry, you know, like shit like
Speaker 2: that or like you wouldn't say like there's just so
Speaker 2: many details and because I am fluent in a certain sense,
Speaker 2: but it's like it's so not it's really like been
Speaker 2: really interesting or like you know we think about that.
Speaker 2: There's just we're like some words of mean tons of things.
Speaker 2: Or I was like, I hope you have a good time.
Speaker 2: She goes, we would never say that in Russian, you know,
Speaker 2: like yeah.
Speaker 1: Or clearly or that.
Speaker 2: She's like, no, clear that clearly in this context is
Speaker 2: this not this?
Speaker 1: And you're like what the fuck?
Speaker 2: And I still fuck up walking and driving like I'll
Speaker 2: be like oh, I like and she's like you did
Speaker 2: not walk to the airport, and I'm like fuck.
Speaker 1: It's like these little things and it is so interesting.
Speaker 2: It's interesting, And do you think if you made those
Speaker 2: mistakes talking to your parents?
Speaker 1: Your parents just kind of like let it go. Of course,
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 2: They don't give a fuck, and like they've also been
Speaker 2: in America, so they know English words, so I could
Speaker 2: do whatever. But I kind of confronted them because it's
Speaker 2: like I say, padilla Nick, that's like duvet cover, but
Speaker 2: it's put to Nick, and so I was like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck?
Speaker 1: Why didn't you ever tell me that it was that?
Speaker 1: But why would they care?
Speaker 2: And then my mom also, well she makes everything about
Speaker 2: her and she's a victim, and so she's like we're
Speaker 2: just we're illiterate.
Speaker 1: We're back at Russian.
Speaker 2: I go, you're not bad at Russian, Like you're eighty
Speaker 2: you're just like disconnected from the culture.
Speaker 1: But she's like, we didn't do it right.
Speaker 2: You know, we're just not as smart, like we're not
Speaker 2: the and it's so she does that, so like I can't.
Speaker 1: They left a long time ago too, you know it's
Speaker 1: amazing and you know, yeah, like they've been here, so yeah,
Speaker 1: they just or like I told you, like the word
Speaker 1: for like I smell or like I smell something is different.
Speaker 2: But then I talked to this Russian comic and she's
Speaker 2: like that teacher's being like too particular. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: that is why I'm paying her. Yeah, at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, that is the goal. Like yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 2: Language is I mean, it's fascinating. I really like love it.
Speaker 4: Like I was at a dinner one time with all
Speaker 4: these people in Italy and this guy that I was
Speaker 4: like hooking up with, he thought he thought he was
Speaker 4: so cool, and he just told me he said something
Speaker 4: like he said, that color that you're wearing goes portas
Speaker 4: Viga and I go what And I didn't know what
Speaker 4: that meant because it's this like idiomatic expression that basically
Speaker 4: means the color you're wearing it like a Jinx color,
Speaker 4: like it's a it's like a bad luck color. It
Speaker 4: was like magenta or something. I was wearing some you know,
Speaker 4: and I'm like at a dinner. I like, I'm trying
Speaker 4: to look cute. I'm hopefully gonna hook up with this
Speaker 4: guy later. And he's like, the color you're wearing is
Speaker 4: But I don't understand what he's talking about, because like,
Speaker 4: I don't have bad luck color. So I was like,
Speaker 4: what are you? And then I just got pissed and
Speaker 4: was just like fuck you because I thought he was
Speaker 4: saying it was like an ugly color. And he was like, no, no,
Speaker 4: it's a bad luck color. But he's only telling me
Speaker 4: an Italian. I was like, newer, I didn't. My language
Speaker 4: wasn't as good.
Speaker 1: Daddy, you know that would penetrate me.
Speaker 2: I knew I would know exactly and I would take
Speaker 2: I would, I would, I would rectify remedy because you know,
Speaker 2: in my family, we don't do yellow.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so we do have some bad luck. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was like a purply I think it was like
Speaker 1: a purply like.
Speaker 2: Magenta type color. Can't wear, not supposed to wear it.
Speaker 2: But also this is just a personal lesson, but I'll
Speaker 2: talk about it. But like, you know, if I spent
Speaker 2: five weeks in New York, and I've been really at
Speaker 2: him about not over like taking like living like a
Speaker 2: regular girl. So like I've had like two three nights
Speaker 2: off of stand up a week or maybe just one show.
Speaker 2: You know, we're always pot we're always doing something like
Speaker 2: an audition here there, but I've been really strict about it.
Speaker 2: And then of course my younger self starts feeling guilt
Speaker 2: of like why'd you take two days off? And then
Speaker 2: yesterday I did two new joke nights, Like I did
Speaker 2: a new joke night at bar night and I had
Speaker 2: like five new jokes.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, yeah, like.
Speaker 2: This idea of like running ragged always always, or like
Speaker 2: what work is or isn't is like so skewed in
Speaker 2: our brains because I was feeling guilty. And then actually
Speaker 2: that time away was awesome and I got so many
Speaker 2: compliments and they were all jokes I did for the
Speaker 2: first time, and I was like, oh my god, cool.
Speaker 1: Rest is important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just liked having a not physical, like
Speaker 2: a tangible evidence that my time reading wasn't wasted, or
Speaker 2: like my time staying it or whatever was not wasted.
Speaker 2: Since now I have like four or five new jokes
Speaker 2: I'm excited about. Yeah, and all that's not.
Speaker 4: Daying is where you're coming is the life you're living
Speaker 4: to come up with jokes about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, it's just like the guilt always is.
Speaker 2: I just always feel like I'm not working hard enough
Speaker 2: constantly all the time.
Speaker 1: So it's nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just a nice It was nice to
Speaker 2: have this moment of like, no, trust your instincts.
Speaker 1: Do you give yourself some grace doing everything right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And that I'm lucky enough to take time away. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because yeah whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're done.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: I feel so Yeah, I know that you can bring
Speaker 2: something up to and I'm glad to see.
Speaker 4: I'm going to see Doubleware's Prada tomorrow night, tomorrow night,
Speaker 4: opening night.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited, dude.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm going to be able to watch
Speaker 2: it until like I won't be able to watch it
Speaker 2: till week two.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, arch Unford, it'll still be out, I mean.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah'll be But are the purse popcorn buckets still
Speaker 2: going to be in stock? Oh that's the question, that
Speaker 2: is the question. Well, I also don't like being around people,
Speaker 2: so I'm fine I'm gonna go alone at like eleven
Speaker 2: thirty am on a Tuesday.
Speaker 4: When you buy the seats on some AMC seats, like
Speaker 4: when the seat is taken, it turns into a little
Speaker 4: red high heel on the app.
Speaker 2: Dude, God, I don't want to say this, but I
Speaker 2: love a great marketing campaign.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was just talking to my friend who has like
Speaker 4: a she we have we have kids the same age, Rosie,
Speaker 4: but then she has an older daughter who's like nineteen,
Speaker 4: and she was saying kind of like your niece's experience
Speaker 4: with the original Double Wars Brada.
Speaker 1: Like she was like, my daughter didn't like it. I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I go. Some kids are like some of the gen
Speaker 1: zs are like this doesn't feel good and it's it's like,
Speaker 1: shut up, it's great. Yeah it's but it doesn't.
Speaker 4: It's not actually unrelated to what you were just talking about.
Speaker 4: Like you train yourself to think that you're not that
Speaker 4: you have to be working, working, working, I like always
Speaker 4: trade myself to think that, like, yeah, your boss is
Speaker 4: supposed to treat you like a piece of shit, like
Speaker 4: you're supposed to do that.
Speaker 1: That's how you get better, That's how you get good.
Speaker 1: You have to go through all these hard.
Speaker 4: Knock and it's like it's actually like okay for your
Speaker 4: boss to treat you like a human being and like
Speaker 4: being nice girl.
Speaker 2: I yeah, that's why it took such a long pause.
Speaker 2: We I mean, I'm glad I wasn't in an elder time,
Speaker 2: but like we did grow up in a really toxic time.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm glad that the youth today are disturbed
Speaker 2: by the things that we valued.
Speaker 1: That is good.
Speaker 4: I already think I don't eat anything all day, and
Speaker 4: then when I feel like I'm about to pass out,
Speaker 4: I eat.
Speaker 1: A cube of cheese.
Speaker 4: I like think about that line all the time. We
Speaker 4: just put that out in a movie and.
Speaker 1: We're like, that's the way to lose weight. I know.
Speaker 1: But like I just missed cheese cubes.
Speaker 2: They don't they don't sell them as pot They're not
Speaker 2: as popular as shape.
Speaker 1: Those craft cheese cubes are so fucking good. They were
Speaker 1: better than the other cheese like I loved. They make
Speaker 1: you do work. You gotta buy your own brick and
Speaker 1: cut your own cubes. And you know I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: I'm not washing a night. I cut myself cheese cubes
Speaker 1: last night.
Speaker 4: Maybe while I was watching Twilight.
Speaker 1: I was eating little cheese cubes on crackers and.
Speaker 2: I was having chiladas. Honey, I was, I mean, I
Speaker 2: can't wait. I mean I loved Twilight.
Speaker 1: You loved it? Oh my.
Speaker 2: I started the second one. I just had to go
Speaker 2: read because you know, I'm in a new set of
Speaker 2: Hockey Gay. I found a new series of Hockey Gay.
Speaker 4: So actually we didn't mean for this to turn into
Speaker 4: an ad for our Patreon, but this coming Thursday, our
Speaker 4: episode is Lisa and I breaking our Twilight, you know,
Speaker 4: virginity and watching the movie for the first time.
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe I won't have to say Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: change it from my levet to like, I get why
Speaker 2: it had the impact it did. Like I went back
Speaker 2: from that time and I feel that when they were
Speaker 2: trying on prom dresses, Like to me, I was like, no,
Speaker 2: wonder this hit for people and it meant a lot,
Speaker 2: like it just made sense to me.
Speaker 1: For more for more.
Speaker 4: Discos Patreon dot com slash that's messed up.
Speaker 1: No, I'm a little corny, you know, Yeah, no, I am.
Speaker 1: I'm fascinating.
Speaker 4: As I was watching it, I was thinking, what is
Speaker 4: Lisa going to think about this? And I really didn't know,
Speaker 4: but I have thoughts. You can hear them on our Patreon. Also,
Speaker 4: that's messed Up live dot com.
Speaker 2: You can go to that has all the links to
Speaker 2: Lisa's tour dates, merch promo codes, all the infos there.
Speaker 1: And let's get start arted.
Speaker 3: We have.
Speaker 1: A great show. It's a good episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we're doing constricted love that.
Speaker 1: Love a b Constrictor.
Speaker 2: Wait, what's the isn't there like a kid's book the
Speaker 2: Boa Constrictor and it ate the whole class and then
Speaker 2: all their little body shapes are in the Boa Constrictor?
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that a memory for you guys? The
Speaker 1: day Jimmy's Boa ate the wash, No, Jimmy's Boa, there's
Speaker 1: like a whole Jimmy's Boa thing.
Speaker 2: I've been eaten by a Boa constrictor. I think a
Speaker 2: shell Silverstein poem. It's shell silver Stein. It's shell Boa
Speaker 2: constrictor sung by shell silver Steam. I'm being my bowl constrictor,
Speaker 2: a boat construct. I'm being by a boa constrictor. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: what do you know? It's nibbling my toe. Oh gee,
Speaker 2: it's up to my knee. Yeah cool, yeah, that's familiar. Okay, fun, fun, fun, okay,
Speaker 2: but we're here no Boa constrictors. But so basically, a
Speaker 2: mom's like, Hannah, you didn't eat your bacon, and the
Speaker 2: teenagers like, ugh, mom, I'm a pescatarian.
Speaker 1: I told you.
Speaker 2: So the cell phone keeps dinging dinging, dinging, dinging, and
Speaker 2: the mom's like, dude, your computer keeps dinging. What's going on?
Speaker 2: The chiming just will not stop. So the mom looks
Speaker 2: onto the laptop. That's not like what she sees. It's
Speaker 2: not like a fully appropriate chat. So now we have
Speaker 2: a boy on the opposite end of the texting and
Speaker 2: he's pumped, and the dad's like that better be a girl,
Speaker 2: not a sports book. And that's like cool writing because
Speaker 2: you understand who this man is immediately.
Speaker 1: And I like ha ha.
Speaker 2: The dad's like into the these texts with this girl
Speaker 2: named Hannah, and the son is like, we're just friends,
Speaker 2: and the dad goes peach emoji, that's more than friends,
Speaker 2: are you too hooking up? So this man definitely cheats
Speaker 2: on his wife with young women because why would he
Speaker 2: know the peach emoji?
Speaker 1: Why would he know the peach emoji? So the soun's like,
Speaker 1: stop it.
Speaker 2: I really like her and it's not like that, and
Speaker 2: those grease bawls like you remember, women are the buyers,
Speaker 2: so they have the power of choice. We're the sellers,
Speaker 2: so what are you gonna do to close the deal?
Speaker 1: And the day? Yet first you're like, oh, the power
Speaker 1: of choice.
Speaker 2: Grady's teaching consent, and then he's like, how are you
Speaker 2: gonna seller on your dick?
Speaker 1: Like it's not.
Speaker 2: But it's also like she doesn't have to be sold,
Speaker 2: like you're disgusting, that's why you have to sell yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but like it seems like your son has a connection
Speaker 2: with Hannah. So the dad's like, listen, I'm gonna cancel
Speaker 2: my first meeting. We can have a man to man talk.
Speaker 2: So then it cuts back to the girl and she's
Speaker 2: mad at her mom, like why the fuck do you
Speaker 2: look at my laptop?
Speaker 1: She didn't do it on purpose, but the mom's hurt.
Speaker 2: She goes, I thought we told each other everything, Like
Speaker 2: how are you not even gonna tell me you're gonna
Speaker 2: have sex? I want you to be safe, and the
Speaker 2: girl says, well, we bought condoms, and the mom goes, well,
Speaker 2: know that there's more to sex than that. There's emotions.
Speaker 2: First time, it might not be what you expect. So
Speaker 2: she's a cool mom and the girl's like, well, I
Speaker 2: know he's the one, and so obviously, like the mom's
Speaker 2: probably thinks her daughter's an idiot. But anyways, so then
Speaker 2: where we're So the question is like, where are you
Speaker 2: guys doing this? Erica's house. Her parents are out of
Speaker 2: town in London. So the mom goes, why don't you
Speaker 2: come here. I'm gonna take her aunt out for dinner,
Speaker 2: We're gonna go to the movies. You could have the
Speaker 2: place to yourself, and you know, just don't do anything
Speaker 2: you don't feel ready for. So now it cuts to
Speaker 2: Creasy with Jesse and he gets you know, she got
Speaker 2: a phone, So he's with Jesse. She's I don't know,
Speaker 2: I like this. We'll see, but a purv is looking
Speaker 2: at Jesse. Obviously Chrisey didn't like it. Then he turns
Speaker 2: back and sees the pervert talking to two young girls too,
Speaker 2: and so then he tells Jesse to stay on a
Speaker 2: street corner, which is funny to me because it's like,
Speaker 2: I was like, is Jesse about to get snatched? Like
Speaker 2: why is Crisy Like he's gonna go protect the He's
Speaker 2: gonna go protect her by leaving her feet away on Also,
Speaker 2: getting her a phone when she's nine is probably the
Speaker 2: worst thing he could do for her as well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: getting her a phone at nine years old. And he's like,
Speaker 2: this is Jesse, you can FaceTime your mom. Get an
Speaker 2: iPad for the house? Like this is that? That's like
Speaker 2: a nine year old should not have a phone. Sorry, no,
Speaker 2: well we'll see. I'm angry. So he goes up to
Speaker 2: the guy. He's like, those girls are underage. She tells
Speaker 2: him to relax. Creasy demands his ID, and the guy goes,
Speaker 2: are you a cop? And he goes, what do you think?
Speaker 2: So you know, he didn't lead the witness. So then
Speaker 2: Creasy looks at it and is like, keep your eyes
Speaker 2: to yourself and if you want to keep them in
Speaker 2: your head, Okay, that's a threat. And so then he
Speaker 2: smiles back at Jesse and they're like, we're gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: meet your sister for pizza. So now the girl and
Speaker 2: the boy are getting virgin pina coladas and the dad
Speaker 2: gave him booze to spike their drinks.
Speaker 1: So that's upsetting. She says, your dad has good taste.
Speaker 2: Okay, I guess she loves liquor, and he says, and
Speaker 2: he says, yeah, he's been around. It's just like nothing
Speaker 2: makes a pina colada taste worse than liquor, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like a pina colata is a like
Speaker 2: I just like I love pinicolatas and I want to
Speaker 2: get drunk, but like for a teen and be like, oh,
Speaker 2: good taste, Like I don't know, yeah, maybe it's just
Speaker 2: because as a six old she's probably like had pop
Speaker 2: off and like maybe the dad gave them like little
Speaker 2: nips of like gray goose, you know, like maybe it
Speaker 2: was like better.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I rum um okay. I actually went to a
Speaker 2: I went to two tiki bars this week.
Speaker 4: So two tiki bars spring has sprung in New York City.
Speaker 1: Geez what what? I can't get named? Two tiki bars
Speaker 1: in La what? Well? One I didn't realize.
Speaker 3: I go.
Speaker 2: There are a lot it's kind of more divy, and
Speaker 2: I just get divy drinks. And then I met up
Speaker 2: friends and they had fancy drinks and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is teki.
Speaker 1: They have really good cocktails. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
Speaker 2: And then they're like, let's go to the next tiki
Speaker 2: spots kind of like Rainforest cafe and it's like you
Speaker 2: have to buzz in and they buzz you in and
Speaker 2: it's walking only and it's like kind of fancy and
Speaker 2: our table look like a surfboard.
Speaker 1: Whoa, okay, yeah it was.
Speaker 2: It was exciting. So anyways, they enter an apartment. She
Speaker 2: has a to go bag. I wonder what they got
Speaker 2: at the teable. Well, also, Commodore is one of my
Speaker 2: favorite places.
Speaker 1: And it's tiki. Oh it is. Yeah. Oh I didn't
Speaker 1: know I'd never been there, but I didn't know that
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, the men it's like I get frozen
Speaker 2: mohidos there, but yeah, full cocktail tiki.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So she puts the to go back on the kitchen
Speaker 2: table and it's just them and he can't believe they
Speaker 2: have the whole place for themselves, and she leads him
Speaker 2: to her room and then the close captioning says, soft
Speaker 2: apprehensive music. So whatever that is in your imagination, that
Speaker 2: is what's happening.
Speaker 1: And then it's like.
Speaker 2: It kind of sounds after school special, but also that
Speaker 2: a crime is gonna happen. They start kissing. It's pretty chill.
Speaker 2: Oh no, we're in the hospital. So the mom came
Speaker 2: home and her daughter was in the bed vomiting, not
Speaker 2: good fucking bruises on the neck, and the mom is panic.
Speaker 2: She's questioning everything, and this is so sad because it's
Speaker 2: also like, bro, this is your friend and you like
Speaker 2: her and you left her vomiting and choked out, like
Speaker 2: what the fuck? Yeah, there's this whole episode, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like like we we put me know mean, and
Speaker 2: it's like you fucking just left her.
Speaker 1: There, like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's really because
Speaker 1: the whole show they act like nothing really happened.
Speaker 2: And it's like, this is you all suck so much whatever.
Speaker 2: The mom is panics. The credits are rolling and we're back.
Speaker 2: So Finn, Benson, Creasy are chatting in a walk and talk.
Speaker 2: Benson asks about Rolin's new gig and so she's the
Speaker 2: sergeant in the Intelligence Division and she's traveling a lot,
Speaker 2: and Finn's like, Crisy, make sure you let her know
Speaker 2: how proud I am of her. And it's like, I
Speaker 2: don't understand how someone can be like a gambling attic,
Speaker 2: lying stealing guns from evidence. All I guess I can.
Speaker 2: We know how cops work, but like, never mind, it
Speaker 2: all makes sense. So she uh, okay, back back to this.
Speaker 2: So Finn walks off, Crisy and Benson chat and he
Speaker 2: needs some parenting advice. They go to her office and
Speaker 2: he goes, who decided yoga pants and crop tops are
Speaker 2: I think girls should be wearing? And Benson says that
Speaker 2: would be girls. I love that. So he brings up
Speaker 2: the Peto situation and wants to know what Rollin said.
Speaker 2: But she's in Texas at an NYPD Border Patrol.
Speaker 1: Meet and greet. What that's what it said? I rewound
Speaker 1: it twice? What the fuck?
Speaker 2: So Captain Renee Curry comes in and she has info
Speaker 2: about the crime. So it's a sixteen year old and
Speaker 2: so Benson and Curry had immediately to Mercy Hospital and
Speaker 2: the mom is explaining the virginity thing and Curry is
Speaker 2: being judgy as fuck, like you allowed. Then she goes, well,
Speaker 2: my first time was in a Hundai Elantra, so that's
Speaker 2: what I'd like to do.
Speaker 4: So she you know, like at first, when I was
Speaker 4: watching the episode, I was like, oh my god, she's
Speaker 4: just gonna like let the kids have the house.
Speaker 1: And then when she said the thing about the hunter, lunch.
Speaker 1: I was like, you're right, like let him have it,
Speaker 1: like have the house for like a nice experience that's
Speaker 1: not like hidden and gross and yuugh you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she wanted her daughter's experience to be special.
Speaker 2: But when she came home, she was passed out, dizzy
Speaker 2: and puking with a concussion, and yeah, what the fuck
Speaker 2: Hannah's clay. She doesn't remember anything, but the mom doesn't
Speaker 2: know what to believe, like maybe she's trying to protect
Speaker 2: someone in the system. Little alcohol, no drugs, but the
Speaker 2: bruising on the neck is fucked. And Benson's like, well,
Speaker 2: what do you know about Ryan? She goes, they've been
Speaker 2: friends since grade school. They just became a couple. They
Speaker 2: genuinely seemed to like each other. And the mom allows
Speaker 2: the detectives to go talk to Hannah without the mom,
Speaker 2: and Hannah says it was all planned out. It was
Speaker 2: going to be special and it was both their ideas.
Speaker 2: They asked if she remembers the sex, and she says, no,
Speaker 2: not really. Am I in trouble And Benson goes, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: but like you got hurt, so your mom is worried.
Speaker 2: She talks about making out on the bed after dinner.
Speaker 2: Then she falls out of bed and Ryan was there
Speaker 2: and he told her that she blacked out. She told
Speaker 2: him to go home, and she got into bed and
Speaker 2: went to sleep. Oh okay, so she told him to
Speaker 2: go to home.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 2: So Benson's like, well, what happened to your Next she goes,
Speaker 2: I don't know, buzzed a little rolling around, and it's
Speaker 2: like it truly looks like it's not that. Yeah, she goes,
Speaker 2: it was fun at first, but then I don't remember,
Speaker 2: and Curry says, or you don't want to say. She's like,
Speaker 2: I just don't want Ryan to be blamed, and Benson goes,
Speaker 2: it's not about blame or anything. We just want to
Speaker 2: make sure you're okay and figure out what happened. But
Speaker 2: you can rest and we'll just come back later. So
Speaker 2: Curry is fuming outside they're walking and she's like, I
Speaker 2: can't believe the mom allowed sex in the house when
Speaker 2: she wasn't home, and Benson's like and she goes, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: the mom obviously didn't know how fucked up it could get.
Speaker 2: And Curry's like, sex is messy even for adults, let
Speaker 2: alone kids, and Benson goes, oh, so speaking from experience,
Speaker 2: and she goes, yeah, I found a condom wrapper under
Speaker 2: my son's mattress. And Benson's like, okay, so you didn't know.
Speaker 1: Is that better?
Speaker 2: And she says no. So Benson's really has a lot
Speaker 2: of wisdom this episode. Hmmm, we're back in fully forgot
Speaker 2: Curry had a kid. I don't, I haven't. I refused
Speaker 2: to learn anyone new except for Bruno. That's that's how
Speaker 2: I feel. That's how I feel with the games that
Speaker 2: they've been playing with us, bring him in, taking them out.
Speaker 2: I don't need it, can't get can't get too comfortable
Speaker 2: with somebody have nipped away from you. No, So the
Speaker 2: doc explaining to the detectives that this girl is lucky
Speaker 2: that there wasn't a brain bleed and her memory is
Speaker 2: spotty and the neck bruise is obviously from hands like
Speaker 2: and from behind. Likely they haven't done a rape kit though,
Speaker 2: so we got to see if Hannah Kit will agree
Speaker 2: to one. And Velaska's with the slimeball dad and he
Speaker 2: knows Hannah and calls her suite. He knows about his
Speaker 2: son and her and is confused what any of this
Speaker 2: is about. Silva is with the mom. You know they
Speaker 2: they split it up, and the mom knows they were
Speaker 2: on a date, and Silva's like, did you know their plans?
Speaker 2: And according to her credit card bill, they went to
Speaker 2: a lobster restaurant in Times Square, So okay, okay, I
Speaker 2: guess the lobster restaurant.
Speaker 1: Kind of pinicolatas. But everything is just like really confusing
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: So it cuts back to the men and he's like, what,
Speaker 2: I guess their teens they don't know where to go.
Speaker 1: I went to Hula Hans I think before homecoming.
Speaker 2: So he's like, what is this and Velaska's like, well,
Speaker 2: she passed out and is in the hospital. And he's like,
Speaker 2: and my son. And they're like, yeah, well we need
Speaker 2: to talk to your son. And he walks in. He's
Speaker 2: super confused she and he goes, well, Hannah wasn't at
Speaker 2: school and I've called her like ten times. He looks
Speaker 2: sad and guilty, and they're like, well, what was she
Speaker 2: like when you left? And he said that she fell
Speaker 2: out of the bed but said she was fine. The
Speaker 2: dad says, go to your room, No way, we're talking
Speaker 2: to you without an attorney. Dramatic music, So the detectives
Speaker 2: are outside Silva's like, well, he does actually seem worried
Speaker 2: about Hannah, and the parents are like kind of the
Speaker 2: issue and maybe they're just a little overprotective, Like I
Speaker 2: wonder what's happening, But in my head, I go or
Speaker 2: their son did something because the dad knows exactly what
Speaker 2: he did. Okay, So back at the precinct, CARIESI and
Speaker 2: Benson are chatting and Hannah is home. There was no
Speaker 2: semen but condom lube evidence and like she didn't give
Speaker 2: we don't know about the consent of everything, but she
Speaker 2: does have works on her neck. So the you know,
Speaker 2: the detectives are debating.
Speaker 1: Is it a crime? Is it not?
Speaker 2: Like what's happening bruising? Consent? What's a concussion? What can
Speaker 2: she recall? Is she protecting Ryan? And Cariese's like fuck
Speaker 2: all this and like let's we need we need more,
Speaker 2: we need more.
Speaker 1: So she doesn't really want to talk to them.
Speaker 2: The mom's like, listen, you were concussed and bruised, so
Speaker 2: we're going to be here and we're going to talk.
Speaker 2: And Benson goes, this sucks for sure, but you're a
Speaker 2: minor and we just like need some questions answered. She
Speaker 2: says she wasn't raped, and the sex was fun at first,
Speaker 2: but she says it's a blur and she goes, okay,
Speaker 2: so what do you recall?
Speaker 1: Clearly, that's what they ask her because I keep saying
Speaker 1: she but there's four women in the scene. Okay.
Speaker 2: So they were kissing. He took off his clothes and
Speaker 2: her clothes and she was fine. She was nervous. It
Speaker 2: was awkward but fine, and Benson's like, that's totally understandable.
Speaker 2: And she goes, and this is awkward too, you know,
Speaker 2: like and we understand that, but just tell us what happened.
Speaker 1: It is okay.
Speaker 2: So Hannah's like, well, my friends who have done it
Speaker 2: said that guys like when you act like the videos
Speaker 2: that they watch. So she goes, at first it was
Speaker 2: face to face, but then he wanted to try something,
Speaker 2: and she's like really sad and embarrassed, and the mom
Speaker 2: is like very caring and leaning it, but you know,
Speaker 2: it's weird. But he turned her over and then held
Speaker 2: her neck and so then his hands were around her
Speaker 2: neck and she wanted to say, you're hurting me, stop,
Speaker 2: but she she she either thinks he didn't hear or
Speaker 2: and she also said it was hard to talk while
Speaker 2: being strangled and then I all being yoked essentially like
Speaker 2: from behind. Like that's like, yeah, so I actually just
Speaker 2: saw this online where it's like we call it choking,
Speaker 2: but it's strangulation.
Speaker 1: Choking is when it's internal. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So even the language we use is like what we
Speaker 2: do always do with like kind of violence against women
Speaker 2: and stuff, where it's like it's blameless.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like a woman was found dead. It's
Speaker 1: never like, you know, man murdered. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm just like curious how that became it because
Speaker 2: if it was called oh, you're strangling during sex, I
Speaker 2: don't think it would. Well we'll talk about it a
Speaker 2: little bit, have the marketing, Oh we will. But I
Speaker 2: so I made a point to I make a point.
Speaker 2: That's like my new thing. I want to be able to.
Speaker 2: I want to call people out and correct people. Like
Speaker 2: people say fucked kids, and I'd be like, you actually
Speaker 2: can't fuck a kid, you fucking get it.
Speaker 1: So next time someone goes she was choked, I'll be like, well,
Speaker 1: she was having sex with her teacher. Like no, she
Speaker 1: was being raped by her teacher. Yeah, so that's something.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's like strangling her from behind, and it's
Speaker 2: their first time.
Speaker 1: Like I don't like the dad.
Speaker 2: You know, we know where this is going, but like
Speaker 2: I just don't know in what world you have to
Speaker 2: like get choked from behind at your first time? I know,
Speaker 2: Like it just makes it's just such weird advice. It's
Speaker 2: just such a strange point of view to have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, or like a girl that hasn't had sex before
Speaker 4: is going to need you to like rock her world
Speaker 4: so fucking hard the first time or what she's gonna be.
Speaker 4: Like you're bad at this, Like you're both bad at
Speaker 4: it right, like you've never done it. Yeah, Like the
Speaker 4: way that this dad like told his kid, like you
Speaker 4: got to sell yourself, it's like not really none, nobody
Speaker 4: knows what they're even buying right now, you know.
Speaker 1: Into it, Like the dad ruined everything.
Speaker 2: This could have been so good And it's like kids,
Speaker 2: but it's also and this is the same thing where
Speaker 2: it's like all about that, like his first time, his
Speaker 2: first time is like there's another person involved, Yeah, And
Speaker 2: that's like when we talk about like it's it's so cultural.
Speaker 2: It's like rape culture goes so deep where it's like
Speaker 2: how do you even view sex? It's like whenever the
Speaker 2: asson sorry article comes up where it's like it's not
Speaker 2: a crime. It's like no one's saying it's a crime,
Speaker 2: like yeah, that, but it's just this idea of like
Speaker 2: the other person is irrelevant to this experience and like
Speaker 2: that is strange, like for the dad, like you ruined
Speaker 2: her fucking like first time. It just this pisses me off, obviously.
Speaker 2: So she was on the floor and Ryan said she
Speaker 2: hit her head on the nightstand, but she doesn't remember
Speaker 2: that either. So then Curry takes her to go get
Speaker 2: a soda and the mom goes so she assaults it
Speaker 2: and Benson goes, this is complicated, and the mom goes,
Speaker 2: I thought Ryan was a good kid.
Speaker 1: Did I misjudge him?
Speaker 2: And Benson goes, if she wanted him to stop and
Speaker 2: he didn't, it is a crime, and the mom obviously
Speaker 2: blames herself. So then the most important thing is to
Speaker 2: take care of Hannah, and Benson in the Ada will
Speaker 2: talk to Ryan. So Cariese is getting livid, right he's
Speaker 2: hearing the details. He wants this kid's head, and Finn's like,
Speaker 2: hold on, shouldn't we just like talk to Ryan, And
Speaker 2: it's like, well, let's look at the data Finn how
Speaker 2: often Like I hate when Finn still acts like it's
Speaker 2: season four, like it really annoys me. But anyway, so
Speaker 2: he's on his way down. Chrisy goes, oh, I can't
Speaker 2: wait to hear this. Benson is not into this energy.
Speaker 2: So he goes, Finn's going in there, you're being weird,
Speaker 2: and he goes, go, fuck yourself. I can control myself.
Speaker 2: A lot of people in the room. And it's this
Speaker 2: new kind of room. It's a window cube with long blinds,
Speaker 2: window blinds. I don't know, I don't know what to
Speaker 2: call it by the room. But he didn't hear her
Speaker 2: say no, But it's like, were you even listening to that?
Speaker 2: That's like the other one, remember when the girl got
Speaker 2: assaulted at the party, and like I think it's Barbo's
Speaker 2: like you didn't ask for conste because you didn't care. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's like, oh, well I didn't hear her say no?
Speaker 2: Were you listening? And the like again he did rivalry. Sorry,
Speaker 2: but it's like the explicit concept of like do you
Speaker 2: want like the constant I didn't hear her say no,
Speaker 2: but so I choked her, Like it's like infuriating to me.
Speaker 2: Finn is like, well maybe, and and the dad ruined
Speaker 2: all of it, like if the dad didn't see the texts,
Speaker 2: like Finn goes, well, maybe she shouldn't.
Speaker 1: She couldn't talk.
Speaker 2: So Finn brings that up and he goes maybe he says,
Speaker 2: we were trying, you know, and he says, so, okay, whatever,
Speaker 2: So they are doing doggy style. The mom pushes her
Speaker 2: hair back behind her ears. She didn't like this conversation,
Speaker 2: and he says I was just holding her and Cariese
Speaker 2: shows the photos of the marks, which are aggressive, and
Speaker 2: the mom says he would never hurt Hannah, and it's like,
Speaker 2: well these photos do say otherwise, like she was in
Speaker 2: the hospital. So I don't know what you're saying actually,
Speaker 2: So Finn says, let's focus on what he has to say,
Speaker 2: and he says he saw.
Speaker 1: It online, and the lawyer.
Speaker 2: Encourages him to say the truth or they're like where,
Speaker 2: like who showed you whatever? He says sorry, and Cariese
Speaker 2: goes move on, like where did you learn to choke
Speaker 2: during sex? And so he says the fencing team showed
Speaker 2: him you know the Yeah, okay, so notoriously hot notoriously
Speaker 2: we actually don't, but we actually don't know about fencing,
Speaker 2: Like are they so hot? Like, we don't know anything
Speaker 2: about fencing. It could be the bad boys of prep school.
Speaker 1: You know, they could be. It could be we really
Speaker 1: have no idea on guard.
Speaker 2: So he says some of the okay, so the older
Speaker 2: guys and said that the girls liked it. And it's like, again,
Speaker 2: why don't you just ask this girl? Why are you
Speaker 2: listening to these guys. Yeah, greaseball Dad's kicking a.
Speaker 1: Vending machine, and I went, there's no way he would
Speaker 1: not be in the room. And then later he does say,
Speaker 1: my wife told me I couldn't be Yeah. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: like I do love that we're all connected as the universe.
Speaker 1: So greaseball Dad is kicking the vending machine. Okay, So
Speaker 1: he's banging around.
Speaker 2: Silvin Velasco talk about him, and they're like, you know,
Speaker 2: men like that don't like to feel helpless. He's obviously
Speaker 2: like their house was nice, you know, he's like a rich,
Speaker 2: authoritative business type of guy. So Velasco goes in there
Speaker 2: to like play some games and they bond over the
Speaker 2: tricky vending machines. This is when he talks about his
Speaker 2: wife not letting him be in the room, and then
Speaker 2: the dad says, whatever the sun did wasn't his fault.
Speaker 2: He is a good kid. He doesn't to reserve to
Speaker 2: have his life ruin, but she can have her life ruined,
Speaker 2: so she can go to the hospital and have marks
Speaker 2: around her neck and have her sexual experience ruined, but
Speaker 2: don't ruin her his son's life again, he goes, whatever
Speaker 2: their teens, it's their first time, so he goes, sex
Speaker 2: is hard to figure out. We don't have to go
Speaker 2: further down this road. And now he brings up fundraisers
Speaker 2: for the NYPD. How he supports cops. He likes to
Speaker 2: He likes to support cops and not defund them. That's
Speaker 2: what he says. And his firm and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: do you have any recommendations for where my firm should donate,
Speaker 2: and Velasco leans in and says, I don't get what
Speaker 2: you're saying. And he goes, you, uh, you know, like
Speaker 2: where do you want the money? Like I could give
Speaker 2: it to poor kids, or maybe there's something you're personally
Speaker 2: invested in, and Alasko goes, that's not how it works, babe.
Speaker 2: So then Finn walks out or you know, back in
Speaker 2: that area and the lawyer, and Ryan told us his
Speaker 2: side and it's not enough to rest anyone yet. So
Speaker 2: then the dad's like, how are things and the son goes,
Speaker 2: Hannah won't even text me back, and the dad asks
Speaker 2: if it's over, and Crisey goes, we'll be in touch,
Speaker 2: and like, because I wonder if the dad when he
Speaker 2: was asking, even cared about the Hannah, Like I don't
Speaker 2: even think he's he doesn't think about you know, like
Speaker 2: I bet he was a coward things and like this
Speaker 2: boy does.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like all pretty upsetting.
Speaker 2: So Ryan didn't confess to anything, but he admitted to
Speaker 2: the strangulation, and Finn is like, well he didn't hear
Speaker 2: no and didn't know she was unconscious, and it's like,
Speaker 2: but that's strange, Like to keep fucking an unconscious person
Speaker 2: is rape.
Speaker 1: It's like you're you've raised a rapist.
Speaker 2: This isn't like some accident, like they keep acting like
Speaker 2: it's an accident, but like the thing he did is
Speaker 2: weird and fucked whether his dad and friends encouraged him
Speaker 2: or not, And then Criesy says, well maybe jew like
Speaker 2: it'll be juvie, not like full jail whatever. So now
Speaker 2: Silva comes in another choking of a teen girl. Okay,
Speaker 2: So then Caresi joins her of Alasko and they're mount
Speaker 2: in the scene with like uniform cops. And then the
Speaker 2: two boys attempted to rape a twelve year old girl
Speaker 2: named Eliza Quinn. So then while she was trying to
Speaker 2: run away, she ran into the West Side Highway, got
Speaker 2: hit by a cab. She's in terrible shape and so yeah,
Speaker 2: so another girl told the detectives about the assault, cribs,
Speaker 2: I'm really scared to run onto the West Side Highway.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's a highway. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So she's in a cute pink outfit like the witness
Speaker 2: and I like it. So she says that the two
Speaker 2: boys were high and started messing with Eliza, trying to
Speaker 2: kiss her.
Speaker 1: Then it got worse.
Speaker 2: They pulled up her skirt and grabbed her hands on
Speaker 2: her neck. She ran to get away. Caresi is spiraling.
Speaker 2: So Benson meets Kurry at the hospital and it's like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck? Another teen choking crime. The girls in surgery,
Speaker 2: the two thirteen year old boys are in interrogation, and
Speaker 2: it's boy mom time. So it's dark as fuck, and
Speaker 2: a girl so the girl's in surgery. It's like and
Speaker 2: so the mom goes, it's a midnight. He has school
Speaker 2: tomorrow morning, and Silva goes, oh, she's not going to school.
Speaker 1: He's not going to school.
Speaker 2: And the boy swears he didn't do it, and Velasco goes, well,
Speaker 2: we have a witness and we're also talking to her
Speaker 2: friend Andrew, so what's going on. He goes, we were
Speaker 2: just fooling around, and Silva goes, you choked her. So
Speaker 2: the mom is like whoa, whoa, whoa. So the girl
Speaker 2: ring into the highway like who gives a shit, and
Speaker 2: Vlaska's like, well she might not survive, you fucking idiot.
Speaker 2: And then the mom is like, you motherfucker. You tell
Speaker 2: them everything. So now the mom realizes like that it
Speaker 2: is connected and her son might not be a good boy.
Speaker 2: He goes, I didn't do anything, and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: did you not do anything or were you just fooling
Speaker 2: around because it seems like you're lying, and how is
Speaker 2: pulling up someone's skirt and choking them nothing?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: He finally admits it, but Andrew told him girls like
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. So then this other kid goes
Speaker 2: Eliza started flirting with us, and I'm Finn and creasy
Speaker 2: looks scary. If I was like a teen sex criminal,
Speaker 2: I'd be very nervous. And the dad is pissed and
Speaker 2: the kid does say The kid says sorry, and Finn goes,
Speaker 2: sorry you tried to rape her, or sorry you got caught.
Speaker 2: And then the dad's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, he's only thirteen,
Speaker 2: and Chrisy goes, yeah, so is the girl. The girl's
Speaker 2: twelve and she might die. And he goes, well, it's
Speaker 2: not our fault, it's not his fault. And he goes, well,
Speaker 2: whose falt is it? And so then he goes, well,
Speaker 2: someone showed it to us a few days ago. Finn goes,
Speaker 2: you watched porn. He says his cousin Ryan. So his
Speaker 2: cousin is Ryan, So his cousin showed him the choking video.
Speaker 4: This is like one of the craziest things this show
Speaker 4: has ever done. Within twenty four hours, two cousins are
Speaker 4: choking girls out and too bad to like tragic effect come.
Speaker 5: On, like.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, but I hear what I see what they're
Speaker 2: trying to do. Yeah, So they say the dad showed
Speaker 2: in the video and then whatever, So now the cousins
Speaker 2: didn't know that, like the cousins in trouble.
Speaker 1: No, these cousins are a mess.
Speaker 2: So then Criese's like, fuck, I want to go after
Speaker 2: the dad, Like the dad is the reason all of
Speaker 2: this is happening. So then the father showed encouraged choke
Speaker 2: porn and that's endangering the welfare of a child, Like
Speaker 2: you can't be showing children porn. So then Velasco goes
Speaker 2: to hang outside Ryan's school with Silva to like break
Speaker 2: rules right and again he's like, so sad Hannah won't
Speaker 2: talk to him. You know, he broke up with it.
Speaker 2: She broke she broke up with him. Duh, you strangled
Speaker 2: her unconscious. She doesn't want to date you. So like
Speaker 2: they diminished, We've diminished sex crime so much that he's like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean she don't meet? Like she ended
Speaker 2: up in the hospital, like fucking loser. They ask about
Speaker 2: Eliza Quinn because they're not here for dating updates, and
Speaker 2: he heard about the cab, but not about the cousin
Speaker 2: assaulting him. They bring up the choking porn he again
Speaker 2: and says it's the fencing guys, And he says, my dad.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2: He just gave me pointers, and Silva says, if I
Speaker 2: was you, I'd get a new coach.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 2: So the nephew still is like, it's Ryan's dad. It's
Speaker 2: Ryan's dad, and Chrisy goes, I don't care. It's enough
Speaker 2: for a warrant. I'ng of a fuck. So they show
Speaker 2: up cop lights flashing, and the mom goes, ough.
Speaker 1: You guys are annoying, please leave, and they go we have.
Speaker 2: A warrant for searching and for arresting, so get out
Speaker 2: of our way.
Speaker 1: The dad calls him insane. The dad says, I swear
Speaker 1: it and do anything.
Speaker 2: The dad lifts his arms to shut up his son
Speaker 2: who's about to talk, and he tells his wife to
Speaker 2: call a lawyer and meet at the precinct. So we're
Speaker 2: at cement room bars and he's like, I was just
Speaker 2: trying to be a good father and give advice about
Speaker 2: sex for the first time. So it's like a girl
Speaker 2: needs to be strangled for her first time. I don't
Speaker 2: understand how that's the advice, Like, I just don't. I
Speaker 2: don't understand this man, Like even if you're into choking,
Speaker 2: like I just like Finn is grossed out.
Speaker 1: So he's like, you showed him porn? And then.
Speaker 2: The skuy zach Orth he's one of my favorite VEEP moments,
Speaker 2: and he's playing the lawyer and he's in a season
Speaker 2: two episode called Consent, but he's what hot American Summer.
Speaker 2: But he's in one of my favorite VIEP moments of
Speaker 2: all time where where.
Speaker 1: He goes, do you want to drink?
Speaker 2: And then Mike goes, no, I think I have to
Speaker 2: get home, and he goes what and he goes, no.
Speaker 1: We love to drink, We love that. Whatever. So basically
Speaker 1: he calls his nephew a liar. Love that.
Speaker 2: But they have not found anything on the hard drive,
Speaker 2: so that's really hard. And he's not admitting anything. There's
Speaker 2: no evidence. It's going to be dismissed. Even endangerment is
Speaker 2: a misdemeanor. So now Benson gets a call not good news,
Speaker 2: somber music. We know what's happening. We know we know
Speaker 2: Eliza Quinn's dead. They couldn't save her. Oh, we know
Speaker 2: the parents want justice and she wants the boys put
Speaker 2: in jail and punish. But like she's like, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to see my daughter graduate or get married, and
Speaker 2: I love that. It's like nineteen sixties. Like so nineteen sixties,
Speaker 2: just like nothing else. Graduate get married, but it's tragedy.
Speaker 2: I like, you know, I get it. So they're in
Speaker 2: so even if punished at eighteen, they will be like
Speaker 2: they'll they'll be able to be fine. So the parents
Speaker 2: cry over their dead child's body while Benson and Currie watch.
Speaker 2: They like, watch this happen, this intimate moment, but Benson goes, no,
Speaker 2: we're gonna get them fucking justice. So her phone buzzes
Speaker 2: and it's been and she says, I'll meet you there
Speaker 2: so and her white manicure looks really nice. So back
Speaker 2: at Ryan's house, they're like, what the fuck, why are
Speaker 2: you here? Everything is fine and they go no, someone
Speaker 2: called with a disturbance call and Ryan says it was me,
Speaker 2: and the mom is like that girl is dead, and
Speaker 2: the dad is like, sure, that's sad, but it's not
Speaker 2: our problem. And the mom says, you are a liar
Speaker 2: and a cheater, and then Cariese and Ryan are talking
Speaker 2: and Ryan says, I love Hannah. I didn't know what
Speaker 2: I was doing was wrong and I did not mean
Speaker 2: to hurt her. The mom wants the father out of
Speaker 2: the house and the dad's like, I'm not leaving my
Speaker 2: fucking house. And so then Cariese's like hoteler, jail bitch.
Speaker 2: So the mom's crying. She goes, I knew he was
Speaker 2: a self serving guy. I just didn't realize how much.
Speaker 2: So she's crying really hard. Ryan goes upstairs. The mom
Speaker 2: then goes, I knew down. I knew that my husband
Speaker 2: was lying to me all these years. And he watched
Speaker 2: porn on a VR headset. So Ryan's dad gave what
Speaker 2: do a VR headset to his son, which is also
Speaker 2: fucking up his brain even more, and the worst part,
Speaker 2: he was willing to let his own son go to
Speaker 2: prison for him. And Benson's like, well, where's the headsets?
Speaker 2: So now they're searching in the dumpsters and Velasko's like
Speaker 2: deep into the trash bins, but like in a fresh
Speaker 2: white T shirt in the garbage, like and he does
Speaker 2: look hought if I'm being honest. So then Benson walks
Speaker 2: into Cariese's office. Okay, there's choking porn on headsets, so
Speaker 2: we got him. So it's like he weaponized porn and
Speaker 2: to like turn his son into a man. It's like
Speaker 2: handing a gun to a kid. That's what we'll charge
Speaker 2: him on. But it's still child in danger. They can't
Speaker 2: do like, they can't do anything, so maybe they could
Speaker 2: trick him. So we're in the marble hallway, we're talking
Speaker 2: to the dad, and the dads like, fuck you, I
Speaker 2: did nothing wrong, and Benson goes, you really think your
Speaker 2: son would have choked the girl he loves the night
Speaker 2: of their virginity taking away, like you think if you
Speaker 2: didn't show him that, And he goes, okay, so my
Speaker 2: son got confused, but that's on him, not me.
Speaker 1: So it's yours fun. It's your son's fault.
Speaker 4: You showed him something super fucked up And we're like,
Speaker 4: why why didn't he get what that was?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, Cursey's screaming. He hates him.
Speaker 2: So he goes, your son's going to stand before a
Speaker 2: judge and you're just gonna let that happen. And he goes,
Speaker 2: you failed as a father and teaching him how to
Speaker 2: be a man, and he goes, you want to be
Speaker 2: a real man, take accountability. And then it works. So
Speaker 2: we're and Corey he's confessing. He goes, I was negligent.
Speaker 2: I fucked up teaching him how to behave towards women.
Speaker 2: I showed him a world that demeans women. I failed
Speaker 2: my wife, I failed my son, and there's no way
Speaker 2: this guy did such.
Speaker 1: This is literally the tragic.
Speaker 4: See the reason people watch this show is like for
Speaker 4: moments like this that will never exist in real life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like this was never in a million eire never never.
Speaker 2: I failed the young women that hurt my whole life.
Speaker 2: I've just thrown money at problems but didn't realize the
Speaker 2: main problem was me. Yea is no way no who
Speaker 2: wrote that He's not going to jail, but he has
Speaker 2: to go to weekly psychology meetings and assilt prevention classes. Okay,
Speaker 2: The mom thinks Captain Benson and hopes this helps prevent
Speaker 2: like issues in the future. She tells Caresy, good job,
Speaker 2: but he can't wait until Rollins comes back home in
Speaker 2: four hours. But Benson and Creasy go have some whiskey
Speaker 2: in his office. I love a desk cocktail. The wife
Speaker 2: is filing for divorce. Ryan's not speaking to his father.
Speaker 2: Caresy says, good, he deserves to lose his family. Eliza's
Speaker 2: parents are going to take him to civil court for
Speaker 2: wrongful death, so that's good, and they think he'll be fired.
Speaker 2: Careasey cheers to justice. Benson goes, is that what we got?
Speaker 2: And he says it's a start, and she answers, sometimes
Speaker 2: that's the best we can do. And they cheers their
Speaker 2: warm whiskey and that's dick wolf baby.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, oh boy.
Speaker 4: Okay, So this thank you for that recap. Thank you
Speaker 4: for that beautiful recap. This episode. It's interesting because I
Speaker 4: started looking around for like a case that could be
Speaker 4: based on, and like, there there was a case I
Speaker 4: found of.
Speaker 2: Like a a of a of a like a very
Speaker 2: disturbed boy who had actually a lot of abuse against
Speaker 2: himself who was assaulting a younger girl for like honestly
Speaker 2: two years because of porn he had been allowed to watch.
Speaker 1: But this is like a little bit.
Speaker 4: More specific, So I'm not even gonna get into that case.
Speaker 4: Like this isn't just about like, oh, porn leads, this
Speaker 4: is like choking specific.
Speaker 2: Like there is a lot of research, Yeah, a lot
Speaker 2: of research and reports started coming out around like two
Speaker 2: thousand and three, two thousand and four, actually like twenty one,
Speaker 2: I would.
Speaker 1: Say, and and and.
Speaker 4: Beyond, like uh, of choking being on the rise with everybody,
Speaker 4: but with young people especially so over the past decade,
Speaker 4: rough sex behaviors have become obviously increasingly more common and
Speaker 4: normalized among young people in the US and internationally. The
Speaker 4: most striking change they've found is with non fatal strangulation
Speaker 4: aka choking, which they put in quotes maybe because it's
Speaker 4: more of a it's more of a like vernacular to
Speaker 4: call it choking, but it is non fatal strangulation, or
Speaker 4: attempts to be, because some people do accidentally kill their
Speaker 4: partners with these with this kind of strangulation and accidentally
Speaker 4: in quotations, please yes, accidentally in quotations, Yes, I mean yes.
Speaker 1: They.
Speaker 4: And this is often non fatal strangulation is depicted a
Speaker 4: lot in honestly at this point mainstream media and pornography,
Speaker 4: there is a lot of concern about it being used
Speaker 4: not only in conceptual in consensual sex, but in violent pornography,
Speaker 4: and also adolescents will do like choking games, you know,
Speaker 4: like that's kind of a thing you do, you know when.
Speaker 2: You're so funny, I'm acting so appalled. Me and my
Speaker 2: friends choked each other out against so well and videotaped
Speaker 2: and would watch videos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like at sleepovers. Yeah, so that's like what they're
Speaker 1: talking about those swim team.
Speaker 2: Girls and I were choking each other out weekly against
Speaker 2: the walls.
Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, and this has health consequences and can we
Speaker 1: want but we wanted to pass out, sure, But I
Speaker 1: don't think you would have wanted brain damage if that
Speaker 1: had happened, and it can't yea, it didn't want that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was endorsing choking out. I did consent.
Speaker 4: One of the things I read was a doctoral thesis
Speaker 4: from the Karolinska.
Speaker 1: Instituted in UH.
Speaker 4: Sweden, which was published in February of this year. Actually
Speaker 4: that found that physical violence in sexual assaults against young
Speaker 4: people has become more common and more severe. The thesis
Speaker 4: used interviews and medical exam results to look at how
Speaker 4: young people experience violence and sexual situations, both consensual and
Speaker 4: in assault situations. Among young women between the ages of
Speaker 4: sixteen and twenty nine. In the research, there was a
Speaker 4: clear increase in severe violence during assaults, and they found
Speaker 4: that strangulation had become a lot more common. Participants described
Speaker 4: how social media, friends and pornography influence their perception of
Speaker 4: what is quote unquote normal in sexual situations. According to
Speaker 4: the results of this thesis, better procedures are needed within
Speaker 4: healthcare to identify and deal with strangulation violence, and as always,
Speaker 4: there needs to be more education about consent in schools,
Speaker 4: with a focus on communications, boundaries, and power.
Speaker 1: A twenty twenty it's like so basic to be like, yes,
Speaker 1: sex is about two people, and it's like, I guess
Speaker 1: that's never been on the curriculum. Yeah, or it could
Speaker 1: be more, well, we get into it. We'll get into
Speaker 1: it later.
Speaker 2: But there's like this whole thing where boys are like, no,
Speaker 2: girls love it, girls like it, And it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: let's talk about what it looks like when someone loves
Speaker 2: or likes something, Like it's not them sitting there silent
Speaker 2: or frozen or unable with their eyes bugging out, you know,
Speaker 2: like they have to be able to be telling you
Speaker 2: how how they like it, you know. So A twenty
Speaker 2: twenty US survey of university students reported that twenty six
Speaker 2: point five percent of women and six point six percent
Speaker 2: of men, and twenty two point three percent of transgender
Speaker 2: and nine binary participants had been choked during their most
Speaker 2: recent sexual event.
Speaker 1: So that's pretty high numbers.
Speaker 4: A quarter people said the last time they hooked, A
Speaker 4: quarter of women and almost a quarter of non binary
Speaker 4: and transgender participants say oh, yeah, the last.
Speaker 1: Time I hooked up, choking was involved.
Speaker 4: So, according to research out of Indiana University, sex involving
Speaker 4: choking usually isn't discussed ahead of time, does not include
Speaker 4: a safe word, offers no sense of partnership, and results
Speaker 4: in no emotional connection or transcendence, is what they say.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: Four, the UK is actually ahead of us on the
Speaker 4: on a lot of this. In twenty twenty four, the
Speaker 4: BBC published an article about how young boys were asking
Speaker 4: their teachers about choking during sex. Doctor Tamsine Priest was
Speaker 4: a teacher in Bridge and said some children now felt
Speaker 4: it was normal, a normal part of sex, and asked
Speaker 4: if quote unquote unquote a soft squeeze on the neck
Speaker 4: is okay, And they were asking questions like how can
Speaker 4: I choke someone safely? She said, quote I've certainly been
Speaker 4: told by some children that they think that girls really
Speaker 4: want to be choked, with one saying girls are mad
Speaker 4: for it. So someone's giving them that information and it's
Speaker 4: you know, it's probably porn health porn.
Speaker 1: I put a few dollars on that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Health experts say pornography is the key contributor and that
Speaker 4: there is no safe way to strangle someone because I
Speaker 4: mean because some can change their mind halfway through and
Speaker 4: they can't communicate to you that they don't want it anymore,
Speaker 4: you know. Doctor Kate Howells, an associate specialist in sexual health,
Speaker 4: told the BBC she believes instant access to porn for
Speaker 4: anyone with a phone.
Speaker 1: Is a key factor.
Speaker 4: She says, quote, people are watching it from a very
Speaker 4: young age, and what I was reading is that in
Speaker 4: the US and UK at least eleven eleven years old
Speaker 4: is usually when kids are first exposed to it, and
Speaker 4: that's the average, so it can be younger or older.
Speaker 4: Kate Howell says people are watching it from a very
Speaker 4: young age and for a lot of young people it
Speaker 4: is their first sexual experience and therefore they're almost looking
Speaker 4: to porn to learn about sex and what to do
Speaker 4: to be good at sex.
Speaker 2: If you no one's like telling them it's like fantasy
Speaker 2: or something, you know what I mean, or that they've
Speaker 2: acted out, it's like choreographed. You know, of course you're
Speaker 2: not gonna be good at it. You've never done this
Speaker 2: before and on limits and like they have safe work,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean like like well, or you
Speaker 2: hope you would hope?
Speaker 1: Yes, you hope.
Speaker 2: She continues, If young people are seeing that kind of
Speaker 2: messaging from pornography, rather than loving or caring respectful messages,
Speaker 2: then they'll think that that's what they need to do,
Speaker 2: whether they feel comfortable with it or not. So in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, the UK actually made moves to make
Speaker 2: porn that depicts choking illegal, and I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: it actually went through, but Andrea Simon, director of the
Speaker 2: End Violence against Women Coalition, described this as quote a
Speaker 2: vital step towards tackling the normalization of violence and online content.
Speaker 2: She says, quote, there is no such thing as safe strangulation.
Speaker 2: Women cannot consent to the long term cars cause it
Speaker 2: can harm, including impaired cognitive functioning and memory. Its widespread
Speaker 2: portrayal and porn is fueling dangerous behaviors, particularly among young people.
Speaker 1: I watched this webinar.
Speaker 4: There was a like almost two hour robinar that I
Speaker 4: watched from this guy named Casey Gwynn, who used to
Speaker 4: be like the city attorney for San Diego and is
Speaker 4: the founder of Alliance for Hope International, which is like
Speaker 4: a They do a lot of work with like sexual assaults.
Speaker 4: And they also had this one a named doctor Debbie
Speaker 4: Herbenick on the webinar. It was really funny too because
Speaker 4: at one point this other lady was on the webinar
Speaker 4: and she was going, can you guys see my PowerPoint?
Speaker 4: Can you see it now? Like it was literally just
Speaker 4: a full power point like with all of the people,
Speaker 4: but most of it was like went really smoothly. And
Speaker 4: doctor Debbie Herbenick is actually a professor at Indiana University
Speaker 4: School of Public Health, so I wonder if she's where
Speaker 4: that earlier information came from. And an internationally recognized sexuality
Speaker 4: researcher and author of the book Yes Your Kid, What
Speaker 4: Parents Need to Know about Today's teens and Sex. And
Speaker 4: she focuses on sexual choking like that's her focus, Like
Speaker 4: and it.
Speaker 1: Is a thing.
Speaker 2: It's definitely like, what all these numbers are so accurate?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you also know that like whenever it's like
Speaker 4: a men's percentage, it's like double it because there a
Speaker 4: lot of them are probably just fucking lying. But they
Speaker 4: discuss us how in this webinar, how a lot of
Speaker 4: young people like are going straight for choking in sexual
Speaker 4: situations like sometimes it's like hug kiss, choke, like immediately.
Speaker 4: Doctor Herbenick discusses the health implications such as brain damage, stroke,
Speaker 4: cardiac arrest, and while it is rare, people have died
Speaker 4: or been put into a coma from, you know, sexual strangulation,
Speaker 4: and the average young adult surveyed said that they first
Speaker 4: heard about sexual choking around eight to fifty about around
Speaker 4: age fifteen, which again she says that can be a
Speaker 4: lot younger or older because it's the average. They want
Speaker 4: information that they're often not getting. And then Yvonne K. Fulbright,
Speaker 4: who's a PhD and Master of Science and Education, wrote
Speaker 4: in Psychology Today that schools need to address sexual illiteracy,
Speaker 4: including porn literacy, and an examination of cultural standards and
Speaker 4: perceive normalcy from all sources of information. This does not
Speaker 4: mean like that formal sex education in school has to
Speaker 4: be like a how to of how to have sex
Speaker 4: in a like well or.
Speaker 1: What if it is? But what if it is?
Speaker 2: It's like, why are we not basing these classes on
Speaker 2: the needs of the students, Because if they're constantly asking
Speaker 2: in these numbers and these girls or a constantly are
Speaker 2: getting choked, it's like who gives a shit?
Speaker 1: What you think or not.
Speaker 2: That's something of these abstinate, like all these idiots. It's
Speaker 2: like the thing is already happening. Whatever chicken and egg
Speaker 2: you're doing, it's they're fucking and that's why you need
Speaker 2: to talk about it. Yeah, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like I think they're they're basically saying, like we know,
Speaker 2: like sex said, teachers are not going to sit there
Speaker 2: and go, here's how you safely choke a partner, you know,
Speaker 2: like they're no, it's about consent. It's don't choke someone.
Speaker 2: They're not gonna be able to say yes or no
Speaker 2: like you. That's like porn isn't real like everything it's.
Speaker 4: It would have been great to teach people about porn,
Speaker 4: Like I never got that in sex said that to
Speaker 4: anyone to say, like, by the way, the way that
Speaker 4: sex happens, even in mainstream movies.
Speaker 1: Is not always accurate. The way that it happens in
Speaker 1: porn is not accurate.
Speaker 4: Like this is not you need to live up to
Speaker 4: or learn from, you know, but uh yeah, Doctor Herbinnik
Speaker 4: in this webinar also goes on to talk about how
Speaker 4: a lot of young men don't even know that there
Speaker 4: are legal consequences, which I thought was interesting based on
Speaker 4: the episode, like when well they didn't know, like they
Speaker 4: were like, no, but if the girl likes it, because
Speaker 4: they were talking in the webinar about how like there
Speaker 4: are there they they talk to some people who were like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: then I would be like choking my partner and I
Speaker 4: would stop because it looked like they weren't enjoying themselves.
Speaker 1: They'd be like what are you doing?
Speaker 4: Keep going and it's like, Okay, that's communication exactly, And.
Speaker 2: That's where I was want to say, it all just
Speaker 2: goes back down to like consent and having nonverbal like
Speaker 2: safe words yeah and all of that.
Speaker 1: Like they're at it's like all of these but how
Speaker 1: do I know? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, how will I ever know? How do I work
Speaker 4: this robot? It won't talk back to me? And she
Speaker 4: was saying yeah that, like yeah, these they were bringing
Speaker 4: up to these young men that they were interviewing, like yeah,
Speaker 4: people have gone to jail for accidentally killing their partners
Speaker 4: during like choke sexual choking, and these like young men
Speaker 4: like had no idea about that and like did not
Speaker 4: know that there were like legal consequences. So I just
Speaker 4: thought in the context of this episode, which I do
Speaker 4: like SBU is a lot of times always trying to
Speaker 4: and the man in this episode is an absolute dirt bag,
Speaker 4: but they are always trying to be like, Well, the parents,
Speaker 4: it's like giving them a gun, telling them this, it's
Speaker 4: like giving them a gun or doing this. So if
Speaker 4: your parent, if if you're gonna either leave them alone
Speaker 4: with a phone or a computer, then it is kind
Speaker 4: of like giving them a gun. So they need the
Speaker 4: education somehow, whether it's in school or through their parents.
Speaker 4: About I mean, I'm in this group on Facebook called
Speaker 4: Parenting in a Tech World.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've talked about it on here before.
Speaker 2: It's huge. It has like sixty six thousand parents in it.
Speaker 2: And I am learning so fucking much every day in
Speaker 2: this thing. Like there's shit that people will go Spotify's
Speaker 2: okay for kids, right, and I go and in my mind,
Speaker 2: I go, oh, yeah, what's wrong with Spotify.
Speaker 4: There's fucking porn all over Spotify. People make playlists on
Speaker 4: Spotify where they put their phone numbers in and you
Speaker 4: can text and you can sext with people. People will
Speaker 4: write stuff like what about cap cut? Is cap cut okay?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, yeah, what could be wrong with cap cut.
Speaker 4: That's just like an editing tool. Nope, there's like chat
Speaker 4: features and all this shit. There's ways to go into these.
Speaker 4: It basically takes you to TikTok so that you can
Speaker 4: copy people's formats and then once you're there, you can
Speaker 4: see anything you want on TikTok. All of these apps
Speaker 4: are about making money and none of them are about
Speaker 4: protecting kids or young people from seeing this shit. So
Speaker 4: it's very interesting to me when they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: kids are seeing porn around eleven, and it's like, I
Speaker 4: bet it's even fucking younger, Like I think kids are
Speaker 4: seeing weird shit all the time if you give your
Speaker 4: kid a phone or an iPad that doesn't have parental
Speaker 4: controls on it. And in this group, people are constantly
Speaker 4: like I don't understand, like I have the parental controls set,
Speaker 4: but XYZ is not working. And it's like, because the
Speaker 4: kids are smarter than you, they will figure out the
Speaker 4: ways around the controls, like they just will like and
Speaker 4: apparently Apple has like the worst parental controls, like I
Speaker 4: think Droid the androids are better, but like people will
Speaker 4: be like, I have the phone locked down after midnight?
Speaker 4: Why does this show my my son on TikTok at
Speaker 4: one am, and it's like they know.
Speaker 1: What to do.
Speaker 4: They know how to like go on airplane or do this,
Speaker 4: or get on a different wife or like whatever.
Speaker 1: They can figure it out. Like so it's really scary
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 4: But definitely we have to educate our children about consent
Speaker 4: and peorn literacy and all of these things. So no actual,
Speaker 4: no actual like specific crime. But I definitely think this
Speaker 4: episode was based on like the uptick in this and
Speaker 4: all these papers and like articles and things being written
Speaker 4: and interesting that the UK.
Speaker 1: Is planning to try to ban. That was as of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, they were trying to ban pornography that
Speaker 1: portrays like choking, sexual choking, check sexual strangulation.
Speaker 2: Because it's not about things existing, because if you want
Speaker 2: to get fucking chokes, you should really get choked. But
Speaker 2: it's like that there's more to this, right It's yeah,
Speaker 2: and I guess it's.
Speaker 4: Kind of the only I mean, I'm trying to I'm
Speaker 4: trying to like rack my brain. I'm like, what's another
Speaker 4: thing that could accidentally kill someone during sex besides chokes?
Speaker 1: Mostly the airways?
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, it's the airways, Like you're not anything can
Speaker 4: happen to your butt?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if it's an urban legend
Speaker 2: or not, but it's like someone trying to like masturbate
Speaker 2: with the broom and then they slipped off the shower
Speaker 2: and then the broom went through them.
Speaker 1: Oh, I can't imagine that being real.
Speaker 2: No, case can you please look up broom masturbate death.
Speaker 1: I would love to see that. Okay, it's on snopespes.
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say, Casey, what's up.
Speaker 5: From two thousand and three? Did a co ed die
Speaker 5: pleasuring herself with a broom?
Speaker 1: Claim?
Speaker 5: Let's see a story that I heard that was kind
Speaker 5: of like a hot dog one was that there was
Speaker 5: this girl who got drunk at a party. When she
Speaker 5: went home, she was really horny, so she used the
Speaker 5: broom to pleasure yourself.
Speaker 1: I guess it doesn't be a wooden broom. I don't
Speaker 1: see any verifications, but I don't want anyone going that way.
Speaker 1: But it's out there. The story is out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you didn't like make that up? I didn't, damn well anyway.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, write us in if there what other ways
Speaker 2: you can immediately die?
Speaker 1: I mean you could, I guess, break your neck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think if it, if it, if it
Speaker 1: could happen, it has happened on the shoe. Yeah, Banana
Speaker 1: in the butt. He was allergic to bananas.
Speaker 2: Banana in the butt, Yes, yes, yeah, I think if
Speaker 2: you let things go in your inside of you and
Speaker 2: forget about them and then maybe they can cause an
Speaker 2: infection or disease, Like if you do stick a banana
Speaker 2: and and the remnant stays and then bacteria forms.
Speaker 1: You probably figure out the symptoms before that.
Speaker 4: But but again, a lot of that is like being
Speaker 4: done by you'r. It's like being done you're by you,
Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, and this is interesting. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: I assumed that, like with the rise of pornography, that
Speaker 4: like sexual violence, slapping, you know, that kind of stuff
Speaker 4: like would be spanking, would be more prevalent. But it's
Speaker 4: interesting that, like the choking specifically, and that that SPU
Speaker 4: kind of like jumped on this episode.
Speaker 1: It was interesting to like do a little bit of
Speaker 1: research on it.
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, everyone be careful out there, be careful
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: Let's move on to our guests. Huh. I'm so excited.
Speaker 4: Our guest today is an actor who you may know
Speaker 4: from Excuse Me, The Wet American Summer Universe, the movie,
Speaker 4: the TV show. He's also had roles on VEEP and Revolution,
Speaker 4: but you know him today as defense attorney Harry Kagan.
Speaker 4: Please enjoy our chat with the delightful Zach Orth. Hi, Zach,
Speaker 4: We're really excited.
Speaker 6: Thank you same here. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4: Obviously want to talk to you about your Law and
Speaker 4: Order Universe appearances, but also other fans of their work.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh, well, you're in.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite scenes in VEEP and I quote
Speaker 2: it all the time. It's like you and Mike and
Speaker 2: you guys are You're like, should we drink? And he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can't. And then it's like, can you imagine we
Speaker 2: love to drink.
Speaker 6: I have to go home and see my family or
Speaker 6: something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can you imagine?
Speaker 6: I mean, I like, do you imagine?
Speaker 2: I quote it all the time. It's really outstanding. What
Speaker 2: was your time on VIEP like that? It was amazing, Like,
Speaker 2: you know, i'd loved the show. I think that when
Speaker 2: they were getting ready to start making it, I think
Speaker 2: I I auditioned for every single role and uh, but
Speaker 2: obviously didn't get it. And then I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't remember how far along they were into it. It
Speaker 2: was like season four or something like that. I think
Speaker 2: it was the last season that they were in Baltimore.
Speaker 2: And I was I was just I was delighted. I
Speaker 2: was over the moon.
Speaker 6: And it was everything I would have hoped it was,
Speaker 6: you know, like a lot of really really funny people
Speaker 6: like you know, operating at full capacity and and very
Speaker 6: you know, collaborative, and and it was. It was tremendous.
Speaker 6: It was great.
Speaker 1: A lot of crab did what did you eat a
Speaker 1: lot of crab while you.
Speaker 6: Were there in in in Marrit Is that part of
Speaker 6: your memory or I don't remember. I don't remember doing that.
Speaker 6: I mean I know I I did. I did go
Speaker 6: to an Orioles game.
Speaker 1: On the water, Yes, yes, yeah, Okay, Cara would know.
Speaker 1: I was just, I was just.
Speaker 4: All I was going to say was that, like the like,
Speaker 4: I just need to rewatch it. I feel like there's
Speaker 4: no way I got every single joke was always on
Speaker 4: in the background for me. Well, there's a lot of
Speaker 4: different things on, but that is one of them. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So we wanted to talk to you about obviously your SVU.
Speaker 4: I mean, the episode that we're covering today is constricted
Speaker 4: where you're playing.
Speaker 1: And you're going to come back right. You feel like I.
Speaker 6: Have no idea. They don't tell They don't tell me
Speaker 6: at least.
Speaker 2: Because I can't believe you're the same, you're this lawyer
Speaker 2: and original recipe as well.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, that's that's that's what.
Speaker 1: We called the regular law and Order.
Speaker 6: Sorry, the Mothership.
Speaker 1: The yeah, the mother Show.
Speaker 6: That's where that's where it started. I think in season
Speaker 6: twenty two that they know I had been on. I
Speaker 6: had been in like season five or something, and then
Speaker 6: and then I was they called out of nowhere and
Speaker 6: were like, Uh, you're going to play a one of
Speaker 6: the attorneys. I was like, Oh, that's awesome. That's feels
Speaker 6: like it feels like a real you know, milestone, you know,
Speaker 6: for like an actor in New York. And but I
Speaker 6: didn't think, you know, that it was going to be
Speaker 6: like anything to do with like being in the roster,
Speaker 6: like the rotation of lawyers or whatever. That didn't occur
Speaker 6: to me, I don't think until later on.
Speaker 2: And you're kind you kind of seem expensive. You think, yeah,
Speaker 2: because the dad's like a sad dad in this one,
Speaker 2: is a big I feel like you're not a cheap lawyer.
Speaker 2: Who do you do you remember who you defending? These
Speaker 2: two episodes of Mothership, are you like, are you going
Speaker 2: with guys that are innocent or dix?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 6: The first one I believe I'm getting this right because
Speaker 6: it was season twenty two and twenty three, and one
Speaker 6: of them was I was defending a member of a cult,
Speaker 6: like a nexium like cult, who had who had engaged
Speaker 6: in next see him like behavior like doss behavior. So
Speaker 6: I don't know. You can make of that what you will.
Speaker 6: That was defending that person. That was the second one,
Speaker 6: I think, And then but the first one was uh,
Speaker 6: A a comedian had been I had got killed on
Speaker 6: the subway and he happened to be a person of
Speaker 6: color and the person who killed him was a racist.
Speaker 6: Oh okay, but that all came out later in the
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't pitch stories to anybody because he's
Speaker 6: that bad at it.
Speaker 1: But you defended the killer.
Speaker 2: I defended the killer, Yes, So I wouldn't say anybody
Speaker 2: any of your defend Your clients have been great people
Speaker 2: so far.
Speaker 1: Cult leader rast.
Speaker 6: I don't, I don't think so, and and that and
Speaker 6: that continue.
Speaker 4: He gives his kid choking porn and says, have at it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, no, that that was yeah, yeah, that's really
Speaker 6: really sleazy.
Speaker 2: It's so and then to keep I mean what hit
Speaker 2: me was then the mom's like he was gonna let
Speaker 2: his kid go to prison for him, Like I mean,
Speaker 2: and like you do one things, how you do everything?
Speaker 2: But what we were saying, it's such a fantasy that
Speaker 2: the guy learned a lesson and gave that lovely speech
Speaker 2: at the end, we're like, no fucking universe.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like weirdly like which weirdly I think is like
Speaker 6: given like almost directly to camera, Like yeah, it's like
Speaker 6: it's a very weird. It's like I've learned my lesson
Speaker 6: and they it's like it was very out of it.
Speaker 4: Like the director like looked at him and goes look
Speaker 4: into the camera and just talk to every woman who
Speaker 4: just wants to hear this from right hand.
Speaker 1: Because I only cared about money, I only cared about myself.
Speaker 2: I'm an assholes that to mean women. Yeah, the words.
Speaker 2: I was like in my head, there's no way, there's
Speaker 2: no way he wrote it. I feel like you must
Speaker 2: have written it, like your character, right, your first sess
Speaker 2: view is wild though the.
Speaker 1: Yes yes, which did you Maloney?
Speaker 2: Like did you know Maloney for what hot you recognize?
Speaker 6: It was a nice vibe. It was a nice vibe,
Speaker 6: but it also was was one of through no fault
Speaker 6: of Maloney's. I don't know what it was, but it
Speaker 6: it it Immediately while it was happening, I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: this is not going well. Just one of the days really,
Speaker 6: and it became it became sort of a a go
Speaker 6: to story for me, which was just basically I don't
Speaker 6: know what it was, but it was like the scene
Speaker 6: where I I think they questioned me twice or they
Speaker 6: questioned me at least once. They questioned me once in
Speaker 6: the in the interrogation room, and it like starts with
Speaker 6: Maloney and and Marishka and and uh and then you
Speaker 6: know they're like pushing like the scarf that I had
Speaker 6: left behind or something at me and they're like you
Speaker 6: you know you you're not telling us the truth. You know,
Speaker 6: I had my character had slept with a girl that
Speaker 6: he liked without noing that she had been like roof feed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we just we just covered this episode and we
Speaker 4: talked to Tammy Blanche, the actress that plays the victim.
Speaker 6: Oh okay, okay, yeah, so you know this was the
Speaker 6: scene where like sort of like you're either kind of
Speaker 6: I'm either kind of admitting you're not admitting that I knew,
Speaker 6: but like you know that like that like oh my god,
Speaker 6: I I I this is messed up. Yeah, Like and
Speaker 6: and for whatever reason, like I knew what I was,
Speaker 6: what my job was there as an actor, and like
Speaker 6: just from the jump, my recollection was that like we
Speaker 6: did the first take and then there was like a
Speaker 6: chill settled over the room, and then like the director
Speaker 6: and Maloney and Mariska Hargate like would set up this
Speaker 6: pattern then of going into a huddle after every take
Speaker 6: and like talking to each other being like looking over now,
Speaker 6: like coming over, and then the director would be like,
Speaker 6: all right, well let's stride again. Let's just ride again.
Speaker 1: Okay, But why wouldn't they give you I.
Speaker 6: Don't remember all you like they may have maybe, but
Speaker 6: like I just like you sort of shored out in
Speaker 6: that moment because like you're a guest in their house,
Speaker 6: and like I was fairly young. I mean I'd been
Speaker 6: doing this for a while, but like you know, it's
Speaker 6: not a good feeling and Also, it was weird because
Speaker 6: it wasn't like I was like, oh my god, they're right,
Speaker 6: I'm screwing this up. It was sort of like I'm
Speaker 6: doing it. I don't know, like tell me what you need,
Speaker 6: tell me what you need. I don't I don't know.
Speaker 6: But it went on and on and on like this,
Speaker 6: and I feel like Maloney kind of was sort of
Speaker 6: also being like come on, buddy, come on buddy, or
Speaker 6: you know, being encouraging. But it culminated and finally like
Speaker 6: this was the last time, and they were like, all right,
Speaker 6: well we're gonna try one more time, and no matter what,
Speaker 6: we're moving on.
Speaker 1: But with that's like insanity.
Speaker 6: It was very weird, like I'm I'm And so maybe
Speaker 6: that was part of may yeah, because look what I
Speaker 6: wrote far offstair, incredible mental trickery.
Speaker 1: They might have been like.
Speaker 2: Wrote like our twiddling of the thumb in the clasps hands.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that was a choice or direction, but
Speaker 2: I guess you did it and they hated it.
Speaker 3: I didn't know.
Speaker 6: I think to my distant memory of it is that
Speaker 6: it had something to do with don't cry, but give
Speaker 6: us something crying adjacent or something. I don't know what.
Speaker 6: It got very like technical and picky, the point being
Speaker 6: that we get to this last one and like they
Speaker 6: do their last huddle, and like Marishka in my recollection
Speaker 6: of it was like, let me talk to him. And
Speaker 6: she came over and she like, you know, grasp me
Speaker 6: very nicely, sweetly by the shoulders and looked into my
Speaker 6: eyes and goes, you can do this, and like what
Speaker 6: And I was like, Okay, thank you. That's very nice.
Speaker 6: But also I feel so weird right now. None of
Speaker 6: the rest of it felt like that to my recollection,
Speaker 6: but that's it was. It was a very like gas
Speaker 6: lighty weird thing that at least tell me what generated
Speaker 6: by me and my own.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they were fucking with you to get
Speaker 1: this performance.
Speaker 6: That never occurred to me, but but until you just
Speaker 6: brought it up very well could have been. I mean,
Speaker 6: I'm fine with it. I wasn't like traumatized or anything.
Speaker 6: I was just like, wow, yeah, yeah, I I've never
Speaker 6: had an experience before or since where it was sort
Speaker 6: of the whole day. There was nothing tricky about it.
Speaker 6: It was just like but they seemed very like.
Speaker 2: God, was that not was that your last scene or
Speaker 2: then the rest went on swimmingly after.
Speaker 6: I think the rest went on swimmingly. I don't think
Speaker 6: it was the last thing.
Speaker 4: I wonder if they wanted you to do that thing
Speaker 4: where you're like a lot of the guest stars do
Speaker 4: this thing where their eyes.
Speaker 1: Well up but no tears, Paul.
Speaker 6: You know, they could have said it seems.
Speaker 4: Very difficult, but also something you have to specifically asked for.
Speaker 1: But I also was wondering too.
Speaker 2: It's like everybody tells us like, oh, it's a well
Speaker 2: oiled machine, blah blah blah. I'm sure you felt that
Speaker 2: by the time you were on season twenty six, but
Speaker 2: like season two, they were maybe still figuring things out.
Speaker 2: They had a newer they had a different show runner,
Speaker 2: though maybe in season one maybe they were.
Speaker 1: But you're not alone.
Speaker 4: Like Kathy Griffin told us and talked about it on
Speaker 4: her reality show, how she felt like she was bombing.
Speaker 1: Not that that's how you felt, but like she no.
Speaker 2: So she was taping it for My Life on the
Speaker 2: d List, so she was all fun in games and
Speaker 2: then the next morning she goes, that was the word,
Speaker 2: we gotta get down to.
Speaker 1: Work, like she just sam she really she was shit
Speaker 1: fucked her up.
Speaker 6: Well, I think I think that that you know, it's
Speaker 6: it's most actors can can relate to the experience of
Speaker 6: like waiting around to do your to shoot your stuff,
Speaker 6: and then you shoot it, and then as soon as
Speaker 6: they wrap and they move on to another setup, like
Speaker 6: either at that point or on the ride home or
Speaker 6: as you're trying to go to sleep, you're like, fuck,
Speaker 6: that was That's what I should have done. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And that's what sucks because we do stand up and
Speaker 2: like with stand up you can just like do it
Speaker 2: forever the next day or whatever. It doesn't like there's
Speaker 2: and then but this is a nightmare. There's just nothing
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 6: It's done. Yeah, yeah, I think I think it. It
Speaker 6: certainly had the potential to be a nightmare that that situation,
Speaker 6: and it wasn't. It felt tense to me, but also,
Speaker 6: like like I said, like I wasn't weirdly for me.
Speaker 6: I wasn't like they're right, I'm really fucking this up.
Speaker 6: I was sort of like, I'm doing fine. I just
Speaker 6: wish we could. I'd like them to be happier with this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because Maloneys have told us that like
Speaker 2: Marishka will pull them aside and go.
Speaker 1: But I would hate to be encouraged like that to me.
Speaker 2: But not even well, they'll say, we've had people tell
Speaker 2: us that she says specific stuff.
Speaker 1: Not you can do it, She's great, I want you
Speaker 1: to really yell at me or whatever.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: It was just it wasn't you know, like it wasn't
Speaker 1: one bit of direction. Did you bring it up when
Speaker 1: you came back for the newer this? No?
Speaker 6: No, I did not, no way.
Speaker 4: It was so funny you were like, hey, guys, twenty
Speaker 4: four years ago, you guys.
Speaker 1: Did not give way.
Speaker 2: But the other scene you also you did get to
Speaker 2: tape outside. Do you remember like taping on the streets
Speaker 2: of New York? Was that something that.
Speaker 6: Was like I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember
Speaker 6: meeting Ice uh in the in the van from base
Speaker 6: camp to one of those uh one of I think
Speaker 6: one of the location sets, and that being that being
Speaker 6: just something that was like as it was happening, I
Speaker 6: was like, I'm going to remember this for the rest
Speaker 6: of my life because he was just like, hey, Ice, oh,
Speaker 6: I'm Zach.
Speaker 1: And you got to be on the stand and march.
Speaker 2: Lets you have it, because like there you kind of
Speaker 2: are like oh fuck, he didn't know.
Speaker 1: And then when she's like, well she had was passed out.
Speaker 1: There were some signs there was.
Speaker 6: I think I think, right, I think that the realization
Speaker 6: that like, oh maybe this is not defensible in any way,
Speaker 6: like I can't really it was came comes in the
Speaker 6: in the court room.
Speaker 2: Well, because that's what's like cool about this show is
Speaker 2: it's so ahead of its time in so many ways.
Speaker 2: But then it's also sad because it's always a conversation
Speaker 2: and nothing's shifted and this could have been made today.
Speaker 6: Right right right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely absolutely, But how was it on the stand.
Speaker 6: I'm sure you're uh it was. It was I had
Speaker 6: done I had done another Mothership law and Order, the
Speaker 6: one that I had done back in ninety five or whatever.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, was it was like a witness guy who testified,
Speaker 6: and so I was like, oh, yeah, okay, I'm I'm
Speaker 6: I've I've done this before. It's just with different people
Speaker 6: and uh and it felt but you don't yeah.
Speaker 1: And you still it's still not guilty, wild.
Speaker 6: It's still not guilty.
Speaker 4: We everybody, like, like I I said, everybody's always saying,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, well oiled machine Marishka runs the set.
Speaker 1: She's number one, she's so great.
Speaker 4: What do you feel like there's big differences when you
Speaker 4: go and do an episode of the Mothership, Like what's
Speaker 4: the vibe there?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 6: Same? I mean it's it's there isn't well, there isn't
Speaker 6: a Marishka. There isn't there isn't somebody who's been there
Speaker 6: for thirty seven years. Yeah, but uh uh it's still
Speaker 6: a thing that mostly uh I think about I guess
Speaker 6: is that it's newer. Like the just the physical uh
Speaker 6: plant for the Mothership is newer. It's out in Long
Speaker 6: Island City or whatever, and it sort of is like
Speaker 6: a little more updated, like it's still like an old,
Speaker 6: you know, beat up like sound stage warehouse or whatever.
Speaker 6: But the law and order of Mothership on Chelsea Piers,
Speaker 6: like where it is or the SVU one I'm sorry,
Speaker 6: on Chelsea Piers is where it's been for however long,
Speaker 6: is so decrepit and weird and like it really is.
Speaker 6: It really is like they are not spending money on
Speaker 6: that place really like yeah, well I mean yeah, I
Speaker 6: mean why would they? They don't have to. You know.
Speaker 4: It's just funny because when as watchers we just seen
Speaker 4: like the the like you know, the precinct.
Speaker 1: It used to be like stacks of papers.
Speaker 4: And like whatever, and now every desk is like empty
Speaker 4: with once and like everything digital. It's all looks like
Speaker 4: it could be literally an AI company, you know. And
Speaker 4: it's just funny to me because to me, that looks
Speaker 4: like more money has been like put into stuff.
Speaker 6: But you're like, well, I mean I'm talking about like
Speaker 6: you know, where we eat lunch and where the dressing
Speaker 6: rooms and stuff is, like you eat lunch in like
Speaker 6: it's just a hallway. It's just a like where two
Speaker 6: hallways intersect and there's like some tables.
Speaker 2: The money's in the show. We always laughtimes. There's like
Speaker 2: forty five people in a yoga class. For one of
Speaker 2: them to see a body, I'm like, damn, okay, all
Speaker 2: you got that.
Speaker 6: Many extra Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: Obviously we would love to talk about wet hot American summer.
Speaker 1: I mean truly my favorite.
Speaker 2: When the shows came back, Like did you guys always
Speaker 2: think that, like what that must have been exciting?
Speaker 6: Yeah? It was, it was. It was thrilling. It was thrilling,
Speaker 6: and it was and the first one was like one
Speaker 6: of the very very first like original content things that
Speaker 6: any of the streaming I mean, if there were even
Speaker 6: any streaming things that Netflix certainly had ever done, you know,
Speaker 6: so it wasn't very clear even what this was that
Speaker 6: we were doing, or how this was gonna work or
Speaker 6: like whatever, and but all of that was, you know,
Speaker 6: was just sort of like who cares, Like we just
Speaker 6: get to do this, yeah, and and go hang out
Speaker 6: with each other again. And it was it was you know,
Speaker 6: however many days I actually worked versus however many I
Speaker 6: was there. I was on set every day just because
Speaker 6: it was the most fun place to be.
Speaker 1: Can I ask, like, if we take it back, like
Speaker 1: how did you get involved with like these State stella,
Speaker 1: like all these guys I met.
Speaker 6: I first started meeting some of the State guys like
Speaker 6: early early on. And I remember meeting Tom Lennon at
Speaker 6: the premiere party of my first job, which was a
Speaker 6: play at Lincoln Center called Suburbia, and he was there,
Speaker 6: and I remember meeting him there and his girlfriend at
Speaker 6: the time, and then maybe through that it was like, Hey,
Speaker 6: you want to go to there's this party or whatever.
Speaker 6: And then I think I met Mike Black next, and
Speaker 6: then some and then somewhere in there Showalter. And then
Speaker 6: this was around the time that the Stella live shows
Speaker 6: were going uh huh, and so I started going to
Speaker 6: those and then hanging out with them afterwards and then
Speaker 6: doing little you know, utility bits and sketches and stuff
Speaker 6: for them, like you know, wearing a lab coat and
Speaker 6: being a mad scientist for a sketch or whatever on stage.
Speaker 6: And then they started doing the Stella shorts, the videos
Speaker 6: to play during their shows, and I did it with them.
Speaker 6: That was that was David Wayne and Mike Black and
Speaker 6: Mike Showalter. And then and then we did a play.
Speaker 6: They like, they wrote a play, this ridiculous play that
Speaker 6: we ended up that we did in New York and
Speaker 6: then ended up taking to La, which was amazing and
Speaker 6: that really I feel like that cemented it for me.
Speaker 6: And then sprinkled in there were like a couple of
Speaker 6: table reads of Wet Hot I remember at least one
Speaker 6: of them had I think Dan Castellanetta in the in
Speaker 6: the role of either Henry or the chef. And so
Speaker 6: that was going on for like a couple of years,
Speaker 6: and then and then they were like we're making this,
Speaker 6: We're making this, and we're shooting this, and.
Speaker 2: Well and the making up documentary was so good because
Speaker 2: I remember one.
Speaker 1: So it was like raining the whole time or something, right.
Speaker 6: It rained like twenty eight days of the of the
Speaker 6: thirty days or whatever it was. Yeah, Oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 6: it rained. It rained the entire time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but why does it look so dry? Am I
Speaker 2: being a fool? You guys were outside so much.
Speaker 6: No, there are lots of There are lots of moments
Speaker 6: where you can see like rain, like in a doorway,
Speaker 6: like coming down outside.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know I have to try to
Speaker 1: see that. Well.
Speaker 2: So Diane Neil, who plays Casey Novack on SVU, she
Speaker 2: was one of the eighty as for many years.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She would bring cans of vegetables and leave them out,
Speaker 2: and I guess Maloney one day lost it and started
Speaker 2: screaming like, oh that fuck is doing this and she
Speaker 2: was like it's me, and he goes, oh, you're young,
Speaker 2: it's fine.
Speaker 1: But she did drive crazy.
Speaker 2: We just name some movies you've been in, and you
Speaker 2: can tell us what you think, like what comes to mind?
Speaker 6: What movies that I've been in?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you and then you'll tell me.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, okay. She wasn't saying, can you just
Speaker 1: name some movies you've been in. We've obvious Romeo and Juliet.
Speaker 6: Yes, that was that was like old school how they
Speaker 6: how what I was talking about, how like one of
Speaker 6: the ways that the the industry sort of turned itself
Speaker 6: out inside out and changed is that like I had
Speaker 6: a pretty small part in that, but like I was
Speaker 6: down there for three months, you know, like I was
Speaker 6: in Mexico for three months, and like you know, had
Speaker 6: this was like like in a different world and and
Speaker 6: and like really uh, very different from being like a
Speaker 6: date player, local hire, which is what everything is now.
Speaker 6: That that's my recollection is just sort of the grandiosity
Speaker 6: of the fact that they're like they're hired me, paying
Speaker 6: me for all this time, and like I'm maybe working
Speaker 6: like you know, I don't know, eighteen days or something
Speaker 6: like that, but like, uh, just and I'm in this
Speaker 6: strange country and and there was all sorts of drama
Speaker 6: behind the scenes with people being kidnapped and all this
Speaker 6: crazy shit, and uh but uh, it was it was
Speaker 6: that was that was tremendous. Should I talk about the kidnapping?
Speaker 1: I mean we taught as a crime podcast.
Speaker 6: Okay, well, I guess I guess that that at the time,
Speaker 6: it was a real problem in Mexico City with uh,
Speaker 6: you know, various organizations, you know, just kidnapping people all
Speaker 6: the time. I guess maybe it still goes on. I
Speaker 6: don't know. When we were first getting started, everybody was
Speaker 6: staying in the same hotel, and so word got out
Speaker 6: fairly quickly that there were a bunch of foreigners, you know,
Speaker 6: working for a big movie, that we're all staying at
Speaker 6: this hotel. And so like the unlicensed cabs would start
Speaker 6: coming to you know intercept, you know, people that are
Speaker 6: getting cabs or whatever. If anybody said, you know, take
Speaker 6: me to this hotel and they were, they were just
Speaker 6: like immediately take them. So like a bunch of people,
Speaker 6: a bunch of people from the crew were kidnapped on
Speaker 6: different occasions, some of them injured very badly and held
Speaker 6: for ransom and all this stuff. And so you know,
Speaker 6: the production figured it out. I mean, you know, they
Speaker 6: they said we have to They assigned everybody their own driver. Yeah,
Speaker 6: nobody was nobody can take cabs anymore. And uh uh
Speaker 6: so was.
Speaker 1: It like a bunch of people, like in a week
Speaker 1: everyone got kidnapped, Like how.
Speaker 6: Does everything it went on for about a week.
Speaker 1: Did everyone stay and continue working or did some people leave?
Speaker 6: I think I think I believe one person to my
Speaker 6: recollection left like was just like yeah, I don't I
Speaker 6: don't know. Or was was hurt badly enough that they
Speaker 6: had to leave. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was terrible.
Speaker 6: It was crazy. Yeah, it was. It was very like
Speaker 6: you know, it was.
Speaker 2: I definitely thought you were just gonna have some gossip,
Speaker 2: but this is like wild, yeah, intense. But did you
Speaker 2: guys trauma bond over it?
Speaker 6: Uh well, we definitely, uh yeah, I mean we're definitely.
Speaker 6: I remember I remember one of the people came back.
Speaker 6: He was walking with a cane, you know, and and
Speaker 6: uh and and looked, you know, terribly beat up. I
Speaker 6: mean it was. It was scary. It was really really scary.
Speaker 6: But the solution was just for everybody to be protected
Speaker 6: at all times. Yeah, you know, only if they could
Speaker 6: had a driver for the duration of the shoot and
Speaker 6: they could you know, go out and and uh uh
Speaker 6: and be safe that way, not get kidnapped by a
Speaker 6: you know, un licensed cabs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, damn, damn, damn damp because I wanted to be like, wow,
Speaker 2: so cool, just Mexico hanging.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was. It was.
Speaker 6: It was cool. It was cool, but it was also
Speaker 6: you know, that was that was and everybody got sick
Speaker 6: and you know, but that's I think that's.
Speaker 1: A that's a good that's a good tidbit. So one
Speaker 1: of my favorite movies is Prime. Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like I love that movie so much, amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I just what do you got?
Speaker 6: Uh? Well, I remember, I remember, uh, I guess that
Speaker 6: that when I auditioned for that, and you know, I
Speaker 6: read the part and they and like the note, they
Speaker 6: were very like careful to be like, don't be gay,
Speaker 6: like don't like my character that I was auditioning for
Speaker 6: was like gay. They're like, don't you know, don't do
Speaker 6: anything cliche. And I was like, of course, like I
Speaker 6: won't do that, like just play it straight or whatever,
Speaker 6: don't play up that. And I was like, okay, fine,
Speaker 6: like that's thank you, you know. And and so I've
Speaker 6: gotten to meet Ben Younger and I then he goes, okay,
Speaker 6: let's let's start and uh and of course I get
Speaker 6: like two lines into it, he goes, I'm gonna stop
Speaker 6: you right there, not gay, and then which I was
Speaker 6: realized eventually that he was just fucking like not so
Speaker 6: gay and uh uh and yeah, so we had I remember,
Speaker 6: in fact, I I that just came up because the
Speaker 6: job that I just finished. The costume designer was the
Speaker 6: costume designer for that, and I hadn't seen her since then.
Speaker 1: Wait, what was the other thing?
Speaker 6: She was a costume designer, the thing that I just finished,
Speaker 6: This thing called the statement. Okay, what's Tom McCarthy's new movie.
Speaker 6: It's Tom McCarthy's new movie.
Speaker 2: Oh see, it still says untitled Tom McCarthy on the internet,
Speaker 2: untitled Tom McCarthy.
Speaker 6: Is it a secret called the statement? Right now?
Speaker 1: We can let everyone knows the statement?
Speaker 6: I don't think so. But yeah, no, they they released
Speaker 6: they I think they made a I think they put
Speaker 6: out okay, press, press, release whatever. It's based on a
Speaker 6: book called Losing Earth by this guy Nathaniel Rich, which
Speaker 6: is about sort of how the climate change movement got derailed,
Speaker 6: like what brought us to this point where what we
Speaker 6: knew fifty years ago that could have prevented catastrophe, Despite that,
Speaker 6: here we are. And one of the things in the
Speaker 6: book is a sort of critical point in This was
Speaker 6: a conference in nineteen eighty and Saint Petersburg, Florida. That
Speaker 6: was an effort to come up with sort of guidelines
Speaker 6: for legislation to combat climate change, particularly CO two. And
Speaker 6: it was a real conference. They got the found the
Speaker 6: transcripts for this from this conference and built a script
Speaker 6: around it. So it's this very interesting movie where there's
Speaker 6: like twenty two of us for the bulk of the
Speaker 6: movie around this big conference table and shot with three
Speaker 6: cameras and doing you know, all of the dialogue was
Speaker 6: as spoken by by these real people.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's star studded, it's it's a crazy cast.
Speaker 2: And you know, semester you some pod guests of the
Speaker 2: pod Michael Chernis, uh huh.
Speaker 4: Tom McCarthy has been on SVU as an actor. I
Speaker 4: just looked at season one, season one, I mean yeah,
Speaker 4: season one, an episode called.
Speaker 1: Contact Nothing that guy can't do damn.
Speaker 2: And do you feel like you've worked with Paul Rudd
Speaker 2: more than anyone in your whole career.
Speaker 6: Every sort of clinched it. Yeah, this definitely sort of
Speaker 6: clinched it that. I was like, I was like I've
Speaker 6: known Paul Rudd for thirty years and and and uh,
Speaker 6: you know, and like he's he's always he's said many
Speaker 6: times like sort of jokingly, but he said it a
Speaker 6: lot like that, Like he credits me with his comedy
Speaker 6: career because I introduced him to the State guys and
Speaker 6: the Stella guys, and from that, you know that he
Speaker 6: met John Appatow and all these which just does not
Speaker 6: something he needs to say, but he has said a
Speaker 6: lot and is very nice and like, Yeah, this time
Speaker 6: in particular, I was there, you know, I sat across
Speaker 6: from room for fifteen days of shooting or whatever, and
Speaker 6: at some point I was like I've known I've known
Speaker 6: him a really really long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Did you guys when you were making Wet Hot, Like
Speaker 4: I mean, could you have imagined like what a like
Speaker 4: such a little indie I feel like it was.
Speaker 1: But also such a singular voice, like nothing.
Speaker 2: Is like it, you know, right, and it's and so
Speaker 2: many huge stars and amazing actors have come out of it,
Speaker 2: and you've redone it now like with the the going
Speaker 2: back to the two TV series like all these things,
Speaker 2: like you guys had did you have any inkling like Oh.
Speaker 1: This is like really gonna hit, this is gonna be huge?
Speaker 6: Like no, I mean, I mean, I I said at
Speaker 6: the time that you know, like I said that, I
Speaker 6: don't know what this is gonna if this is going
Speaker 6: to be successful or anything like that. I just know
Speaker 6: that I want them to get an edit done and
Speaker 6: get a copy of it to me that I just
Speaker 6: want this. I have to have this, like I have
Speaker 6: to see this like and and in that regard, you know,
Speaker 6: I think I think it was definitely I don't think
Speaker 6: they set out to make, you know, a cult movie,
Speaker 6: because you can't do that. Yeah, but you know, I
Speaker 6: mean I think most cult movies are sort of movies
Speaker 6: that didn't, you know, achieve the numbers that everybody is
Speaker 6: supposed to want to achieve with the release and all
Speaker 6: that stuff. But but finds this audience in this new
Speaker 6: life and like that was always surprising and thrilling but
Speaker 6: also so made sense.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was a camp counselor. When this movie
Speaker 2: came out, it was like it.
Speaker 1: Was she still runs the family camp. I still go
Speaker 1: back to my summer camp like every summer for a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 4: Like I'm such a big camp person, and so all
Speaker 4: my camp friends would be like, oh my god, this
Speaker 4: movie was like made for us. Like you know, like
Speaker 4: when they go to town for like their break and
Speaker 4: go on like a full bender. I mean, we obviously
Speaker 4: didn't do that, but we would like run into town
Speaker 4: to like smoke as many cigarettes and eat Cheetos as
Speaker 4: we could and then run back to camp.
Speaker 1: And then the movie just like blew that out to
Speaker 1: be like they're shooting up, They're like doing all this shit,
Speaker 1: like it was so good, and I just I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I'd want to just tell you
Speaker 1: how much I love the movie.
Speaker 6: Oh thank you. I I love it too. And it
Speaker 6: really is like many people, you know, call it a
Speaker 6: litmus test or whatever. It's like, if you want to
Speaker 6: be my friend, you have to watch this movie. And yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, we can't be friends if you don't love
Speaker 6: this movie. And and and yeah, and and by far
Speaker 6: the most, you know, the most, the thing that people
Speaker 6: are the most enthusiastic about nice about is that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I mean fun, fun, what a day
Speaker 1: for you? And the clank community, Yes good, a clangk
Speaker 1: family classic made its way into We got to talk
Speaker 1: to somebody. I'm so excited. I love him. And yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean yeah, they just ruined everything I want to be
Speaker 2: on set for seven months minus kidnappings, of course, but
Speaker 2: like I mean, taking everything from us, everything is worse.
Speaker 2: Everything is worse. They buy Annie's crap, the Annie's mac
Speaker 2: and cheese. They take out all the real ingredients. Yeah,
Speaker 2: put it with garbage and we're given slop and I'm
Speaker 2: easy to bring up veep and America is wiping its
Speaker 2: nasty ass with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's like maybe it's it's late stage capitalism, right, It's
Speaker 2: like literally everything used to be let's make art, and
Speaker 2: now it's like, let's get like Nickel and dime every
Speaker 2: single thing.
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna be there on this shoot for you
Speaker 1: have to fly yourself in, be a local higher.
Speaker 2: You're on this step for four days, you know, seventies
Speaker 2: even thin because I was gonna bring up Aya cash
Speaker 2: when she was here, and she's like, I make so
Speaker 2: much money because I sat for three months at wob
Speaker 2: of Wall Street barely had a line. Yeah, and she
Speaker 2: says she makes way like so much cash off that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine he started acting and then some woman
Speaker 2: comes in and goes, you're coming to New York and
Speaker 2: then you're in Mexico Leonardo DiCaprio, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Fuck yep, and people are getting freaking kidnapped.
Speaker 2: I guess the kidnapping is so crazy, but then like
Speaker 2: then they did protect everyone. Yeah, I mean the probably
Speaker 2: had to pay all the ransoms. Yeah, but I mean
Speaker 2: to have to have a cane. That's upsetting because someone
Speaker 2: from my elementary school got kidnapped and I did think
Speaker 2: it was funny when we were older, and he's like,
Speaker 2: that was the worst thing that's ever happened to me,
Speaker 2: and I go, oh, yeah, that's like trauma.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's terrifying because you don't know that they're just
Speaker 4: gonna like let you go for X amount of money
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 1: No, they had guns.
Speaker 2: I mean I told you I accidentally used his first
Speaker 2: and last name and a thing and then everyone at
Speaker 2: his job saw it. And then he wrote me a
Speaker 2: pretty scathing message. Oh no, he said he hopes I
Speaker 2: die in a fire, but congratulations on Horace and pe
Speaker 2: like that's what the message was. Wow, damn, I'm meeting
Speaker 2: a Clementine. I'm so sorry. I just not leave Ementine
Speaker 2: the juices. I was just so hungry and then I'll
Speaker 2: have had his iced coffee and beer, so I just
Speaker 2: like needed something.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, but post mortem on the old constricted
Speaker 1: I mean constricted. I still want to talk about him.
Speaker 1: I mean, I also love that he got to do VP,
Speaker 1: like being a fan of it. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want old Hollywood, like looking at the Red
Speaker 2: carpets even. I think people are nostalgic for when faces
Speaker 2: look different and people didn't have stylists and you could
Speaker 2: just see people wearing dresses that they pick out with
Speaker 2: their faces. Who knew that would be a four long era?
Speaker 2: Is that the term for long bygone era?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like what the fuck? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Everyone's faces are just fucked Yes, I was just talking
Speaker 2: about that this morning. With everybody's talking about Chris Kardashian's guy,
Speaker 2: I've heard all kinds of stuff about how like she
Speaker 2: has a password that she gives to people if they
Speaker 2: want to use her. Guy that did her face, He
Speaker 2: actually doesn't. He actually makes people look like themselves. I'm
Speaker 2: actually pro that guy. But now I heard somebody said
Speaker 2: that her face lifts falling and she's pissed. Oh, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I hear all kinds of shit.
Speaker 1: I don't know, bitch, It's like, you're eighty, your face
Speaker 1: is gonna fall? What the fuck are we doing? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Yeah? I just don't like it.
Speaker 1: I just it's like I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I like medicine and I like
Speaker 2: the maps like Google Maps.
Speaker 1: But those are the only two inventions.
Speaker 2: Technology wise, like just the heart of stuff, Like I
Speaker 2: guess it's just capitalism.
Speaker 1: It's not technology that's bad. It's just like.
Speaker 2: So for a few guys to get rich, like everything
Speaker 2: we consume is worse, Like it's just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I listened to like reality.
Speaker 4: It's because like now tech companies run entertainment and it
Speaker 4: didn't used to be that.
Speaker 2: Like you, tech companies only care about their quarterly reports
Speaker 2: and wanted to follow any of the rules that were implemented,
Speaker 2: for like the separations of the movie industry.
Speaker 1: No, we let dorks take over, like these fucking nerds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why aren't we just swirling them like fucking and then
Speaker 1: people and then people that want to do bits like
Speaker 1: look up to the door, like, I just it's a
Speaker 1: it's a twilight zone. This must be a test. Are
Speaker 1: we in the good place? Like? Are we in the bad? Like?
Speaker 1: What is it? This can't be real. This can't be real.
Speaker 1: We're gonna make everything worse and you're not gonna as
Speaker 1: much fun, We're gonna treat you worse. You're gonna be
Speaker 1: more desperate, and everything's worse.
Speaker 4: I've been feeling that really lately, that everything is worse,
Speaker 4: Like everything is like just stuff I used to buy,
Speaker 4: like experiences exactly. Nothing is as good anymore. And I
Speaker 4: don't know the anti thing is so true.
Speaker 1: It is these organic brands get bought and then it
Speaker 1: all ends up being the the glops bar baoops. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like not the real food.
Speaker 2: And then I know I've said this on the pods
Speaker 2: so many times, but then when I'm on stage being
Speaker 2: like we need to murder the rich, everyone's a gas
Speaker 2: and it's like they're slowly poisoning you and then not
Speaker 2: letting you get medicine, Like what are we? Why do
Speaker 2: people have such like an instinct to protect this? Like
Speaker 2: that's what I don't get at.
Speaker 4: Have you seen like Ben mackenzie from the OC making
Speaker 4: all the round talking about crypto and stuff and like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like at least somebody is going around talking about
Speaker 4: how these guys are sociopaths, right, Like, oh, I've learned
Speaker 4: I've been saying Palenteer wrong.
Speaker 1: Have we talked about this? No? How is that wrong.
Speaker 1: I've been saying Plantier everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Palenteer, Yeah, yeah, No one has corrected me for years.
Speaker 2: But Jared like pointed out to me when I said
Speaker 2: something about Pallenteer to him. He goes, do you know
Speaker 2: Palenteer are like these evil things from like Lord of
Speaker 2: the Rings. And I guess like Peter Teel is a
Speaker 2: big Lord of the Rings person, but like they're not
Speaker 2: a good thing in Lord of the.
Speaker 1: They're nah, they're like they're doing tech for ice, like
Speaker 1: they're all bad. They're nerds. It's like they're I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's one of these indestructible crystal bar balls from Lord
Speaker 4: of the Rings and they're used for communication to see events,
Speaker 4: but they eventually cause like corruption and destruction.
Speaker 1: Yes, they want to destruct. They didn't get there. He's nod.
Speaker 1: I've never seen a Lord of the Rings or read
Speaker 1: a word of the books. I'm just second one now.
Speaker 1: I saw that. I saw the movies. I saw the movies.
Speaker 4: So it's like, you named your company that. That's so wild.
Speaker 4: You named your company that.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's it's in plain sight, like yeah, there's no tricks.
Speaker 1: It's like people are defending it's like I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's like no, they they're saying they don't care if
Speaker 2: you die, Like I don't know, whatever, whatever. I think
Speaker 2: everyone should be gay, and like I think that would
Speaker 2: solve everything. I think it's like guys being too scared
Speaker 2: to be gay is like what's caused it all?
Speaker 1: Like if they were just that, It's it's what I
Speaker 1: believe now. I don't know. I'm just coming up with stuff,
Speaker 1: but yeah, just I believe it. Some solutions out there.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's just devastating. But Our Guests was great, good episode.
Speaker 2: What yeah someone Yeah constricted choke I mean, it's it's
Speaker 2: a nightmare.
Speaker 1: We gotta we just gotta be keeping an eye on
Speaker 1: what we're showing these kids.
Speaker 2: This man told a child to choke out and strangle
Speaker 2: another child and he just has to do an apology.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's like and he's like, this is how
Speaker 4: you close. Like he's like teaching his son, like this
Speaker 4: is how you really get them. They're the choosers, they're
Speaker 4: the buyers. They get the choice, and this is really
Speaker 4: how you're going to close the deal. But then let's
Speaker 4: take all their choice and strangle her. I mean his
Speaker 4: wife was waiting for a reason. She was waiting well.
Speaker 2: And this is so connected to Zach's other episode from
Speaker 2: season two with Consent, where it's like the enthusiastic of
Speaker 2: it all, where it's like, yeah, she didn't say no,
Speaker 2: but it's like, but she was covered in vomit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if she didn't say me. We
Speaker 1: had your hands around her neck. Yeah yeah, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: she didn't say anything, and it's like, like, I don't understand.
Speaker 1: That's so true, Zach. Both of Zach's episodes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the same themes for decades on this show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ahead of its time and never enough because it's
Speaker 1: just yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, let's get to our what would sister Peg do?
Speaker 4: This is our weekly segment where we recommend you to
Speaker 4: a book an article about my country.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Megla Stallion obviously, and then someone it
Speaker 2: was like, oh wait, what are you talking about? I go, well,
Speaker 2: so Meg Thea Stallions with this guy. His name is
Speaker 2: Clay Thompson and he goes, yeah, I know who that is,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh yeah, I forgot that. Like
Speaker 2: he does like basketball. People might know him separately from
Speaker 2: Meg Thea stallion, you know.
Speaker 4: Well wait, we didn't talk about this on the podcast though.
Speaker 1: No, we have it.
Speaker 2: But because basically I'm thinking about her a lot and
Speaker 2: like the way she was treated, and then also thinking
Speaker 2: about how like a man shot her in the foot
Speaker 2: and people still defend him and don't give a fuck
Speaker 2: and make fun of her, and it's like, it is
Speaker 2: just crazy. I want firing squads and then everyone to
Speaker 2: be gay and then that.
Speaker 1: So what is the story?
Speaker 4: Because I saw the video of her like crying on
Speaker 4: stage at her.
Speaker 2: Shit, the story is she posted and she was just like, okay,
Speaker 2: you were playing house fucking having me cook for your
Speaker 2: fucking family. They buy out a house together, buying her cars,
Speaker 2: and then cheats on her and then tries to like
Speaker 2: be like, oh, it's kind of the Lindy West of
Speaker 2: it all, where it's like if you're Polly or non
Speaker 2: monogamous or whatever, like you say that up top, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that is the thing you say, you don't get to cheat,
Speaker 2: and then go, well, I'm actually non monogamous. But then also,
Speaker 2: you just bought a house and did Thanksgiving and she
Speaker 2: cooked for your family. So then I read a thing
Speaker 2: about just like like that. Men sometimes will like trap
Speaker 2: you far enough to think that you won't leave, Like, oh,
Speaker 2: well we bought a house, she'll put up with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, no, she's Meg the Stallion. She's gonna leave.
Speaker 2: And then I was wondering, like, if Lindy West had
Speaker 2: more megdus stallion energy, she should leave. Yeah, maybe this
Speaker 2: whole thing will convince her that. But and so it
Speaker 2: was just impressive that. Oh and then she also in
Speaker 2: her message was just like and I put up with
Speaker 2: your terrible mood swings all basketball season, and now that
Speaker 2: you're off, now suddenly you don't want to be monogamous, Yeah,
Speaker 2: to deal with your fucking loser ass. No, you don't
Speaker 2: get to pull Pollyamory out as like an afterthought that's
Speaker 2: at the top. And then obviously it's not nice, but
Speaker 2: everyone's gonna call him ugly for the rest of his
Speaker 2: life and that he didn't deserve her, and like it's
Speaker 2: kind of the Wes Wilson, Like Wes Wilson is resentful
Speaker 2: that people think like he's not good enough for Sierra
Speaker 2: and that's where all of this comes from. Oh, it's
Speaker 2: like resentment where he's just like they want me to
Speaker 2: be like you know, when you're like, how'd you get her?
Speaker 1: Your troll? What you cheated on?
Speaker 2: You didn't want to be with her, You're nothing, and
Speaker 2: like all that resentment was what led to all of this,
Speaker 2: you know, in the public opinion, it's like this resenting
Speaker 2: fucking thing. And I bet he had that because Meg
Speaker 2: the Stallion and like his face is weird and she's perfect.
Speaker 2: But it's like you think she can't get her own
Speaker 2: house and car, Like what did you think you thought
Speaker 2: Red the Stallion was gonna go? Okay, yeah, I know
Speaker 2: you can fuck whoever you want, right while you bought
Speaker 2: a house together. And then she and then saying, oh,
Speaker 2: but I don't want to be monogamous. Well what does
Speaker 2: monogamous mean to you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So weird, it's fucking weird.
Speaker 2: But then obviously I just thought about her having a shot,
Speaker 2: like no one care and people being like you dumb bitch,
Speaker 2: what'd you do?
Speaker 1: What you did is arette.
Speaker 4: It also feels like an excuse too. It feels like,
Speaker 4: I mean, he's just like got busted. And then he's like,
Speaker 4: oh but I'm I'm I'm not. Yeah, you have to
Speaker 4: be ethically non monogamous. That's unethical. Yeah, you get ethical.
Speaker 4: You forgot the ethics. Did we get any bad messages
Speaker 4: when I went off.
Speaker 1: On Polly honestly not really.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I love our audience, like a couple of people were
Speaker 4: just like people were just like a lot of us
Speaker 4: are not having kids and not doing like what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Like but but yes, but we love you like they
Speaker 4: weren't even like mad, We have the best girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I feel like a psychopath when I go off
Speaker 2: on these things. But it is all interconnected, because then
Speaker 2: you sound crazy, you know, you're like this and then
Speaker 2: this and then this.
Speaker 1: But it's like it is all connected.
Speaker 2: It's like the patriarchy, capitalism, whiteness, it's all connected. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it and pedophiles and it controls all of it. Yes,
Speaker 2: and we're controlled by rich pedophile psychopaths who don't see
Speaker 2: us as people. And then I'm the bitch, and then
Speaker 2: I'm the bitch like it's insane, you're yeah, yep, yeah,
Speaker 2: I should write to the to your podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who's the bitch? The patriarchy? Now? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Everybody, yes, exactly, we say that all the time. Everybody
Speaker 4: is feeling this like it feels every I mean maybe
Speaker 4: not white men that are financially doing well in our pedophiles.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Everything feels like it's worse right now,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. There's elections coming up. I don't
Speaker 1: know who knows. Should we get into it with Sister
Speaker 1: Pegg doing coffee? Yeah, we have to just say little joys.
Speaker 1: I'm going to see Devilware's brought a little joyce. We're
Speaker 1: just trying to get the joys. What would Sister Peg do?
Speaker 4: This is our weekly segment where we direct you to
Speaker 4: an article, a doc, an organization, something to give you
Speaker 4: more info about.
Speaker 1: What we talked about. And this week we wanted to
Speaker 1: put you.
Speaker 4: To an article on the Techno Sapiens Substack written by
Speaker 4: psychologist and professor Jacqueline NeSSI, titled how to Talk to
Speaker 4: Kids about Porn. As the article discusses, the average age
Speaker 4: of exposure to porn is eleven or twelve. The article
Speaker 4: covers when, how, and what to say to your kid
Speaker 4: about porn. There are even helpful suggestions for if your
Speaker 4: kid is older it has already been exposed to porn.
Speaker 4: So to read the article, head on over to the
Speaker 4: Techno Sapiens Stop Substack or we'll have it linked in
Speaker 4: our show notes and posted in a story the day
Speaker 4: this episode comes out, and we catalog all those old
Speaker 4: stories in our WWSPD highlights on our Instagram, which is
Speaker 4: That's Messed Up Pod.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for that, And next week we
Speaker 2: will be doing Bound season five, episode twenty three, all
Speaker 2: Class Match. I'm so excited. Form. We should like talk
Speaker 2: about the Tommies more. It's like we named them and
Speaker 2: never mention it again.
Speaker 1: No, we do, we do, we do, we do the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: We'll see you Tommy's next week.
Speaker 2: That's Messed Up as an exactly right production.
Speaker 1: If you have compliments you'd like to give us or
Speaker 1: episodes you'd like us to cover, shoot us an email
Speaker 1: it That's Messed uppod at gmail dot com. Listen to
Speaker 1: That's My on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever
Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2: Follow the podcast on Instagram at That's Messed Up Pod,
Speaker 2: and follow us personally at Kara Klank and.
Speaker 1: At Glitter Cheese. As always, please see our show notes
Speaker 1: for sources and more information.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much to our senior producer Casey O'Brien
Speaker 2: and our associate producer Christina Chamberlain, and to.
Speaker 1: Our mixer John Bradley and our guest booker Patrick Cottner.
Speaker 1: And to Henry Kaperski for our theme song and Carly
Speaker 1: Geen Andrews for our artwork. Thank you to our executive
Speaker 1: producers Georgia hard Start, Karen Kilgareff, Daniel Kramer and everybody
Speaker 1: at Exactly Right Media.
Speaker 3: Dun Dun