1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: We want them to leave here just better because people. 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: So when they leave here they can a little back 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: and be like man. That discipline, that accountability, all those 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: morning lists coach forwards remind us about how important it 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 1: is to get your degree. Those things are are going 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: to have the most impact. This is the Reformed Sports Project, 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: a podcast about restoring healthy balance and perspective in all 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: areas of sports through education and advocacy. Hi, this is 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: Nick Bonicourt from the Reformed Sports Project podcast. Today, I 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: have someone very special to me, my former coach and 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: the current head baseball coach at the University of North Carolina, 12 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: Scott Forbes. After following his mentor Mike Fox, to Chapel 13 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: Hill from North Carolina Wesleyan coach, Forbes has helped lead 14 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: the team to seven appearances in the College World Series, 15 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: seven a CEC Division titles, and three a SEC Tournament titles. 16 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: Scott and I talked about his beginnings as a coach, 17 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: keeping doors open, and his relationship with his players. I 18 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: am fired up. I've kind of been borderline harassing him 19 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: here and he's given me his time. But it's all love. 20 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: Head baseball coach, University of North Carolina. The tar Heels, 21 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: longtime friend of mine. Scott Forbes coach Forbes. Thanks for 22 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: hopping on man. Awesome to be on. Nick excited about it. Well, 23 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: I appreciate you man as always, and coach. You know, 24 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: we we've spoken several times over the last few years 25 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: on the topic of youth sports, and I was able 26 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: to get up there during the fall and and talk 27 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: with you some while you were scrimmaging Vanderbilt, which was awesome. 28 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: But what I want to get to you know, you 29 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: took over the head coaching job from a legend right 30 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: Mike Fox retired. You know, last year was your full 31 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: year as the head baseball coach University of North Carolina. 32 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: But I remember you my freshman year at North Carolina 33 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: Wesleyan when you were a grad assistant. It was your 34 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,639 Speaker 1: first year coach, and I believe you had just finished playing. 35 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: You were, you know, still going to school. And I 36 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: gotta ask you, man, when you went to North Carolina 37 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: wesley and you were the grad assistant in did you 38 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: ever think, like, oh, one day, this is my track 39 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: to get to the University of North Carolina be a 40 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: Power five head coach. No, not one time did I 41 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,919 Speaker 1: ever think that, Um, you know, honestly, I did that 42 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: that year because I was on the five year plan 43 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: and I wanted to stay involved. And after playing, you know, 44 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: your whole life and that's all you've done, you really 45 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: don't know what to do. When coach gave me that 46 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: opportunity to be the grad or student assistant in North 47 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: Clina Westland with the rules at division three, I could 48 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: still I learned the tongues, I could go recruit, I 49 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: could gave me a lot of responsibilities. But no, you know, 50 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: I was just trying to figure out at that point. 51 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: You know, I wonder what what the next step for 52 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: me will be. And a little did I know that 53 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: I would still be coaching all these years later. So 54 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: when you started, when you during that role that I 55 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: guess it's a volunteer. I don't know what what you 56 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: call that role, grad assistant role, assistant coach role. Were 57 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: you still trying to feel out if you want to 58 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: get into coaching? Yeah, you know then, I really I 59 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: would say I was actually feeling that out a little 60 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: bit more later. Um, I think that year it was 61 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, I had a year school left and I 62 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: still was really close with a lot of guys that 63 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: were on the team, so I got to be around 64 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: them and uh, you know see that side of coaching. 65 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: And you know, I think coach was able to pay 66 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: me like a thousand bucks, so it supplemented me a 67 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: little bit um where I didn't have to go out 68 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: and get a regular job yet. Um. But I wasn't 69 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: sure at the time, you know, I was just enjoying it. 70 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: But I definitely as the year went on. That year, 71 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: I do remember thinking, like, you know, okay, it's pretty 72 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: cool from the standpoint of it's a lot different. You're 73 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: look at things a lot different when you're on the 74 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: coaching side than you do it on the player's side. 75 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: You know, you bring I mean, I'm listening to say 76 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 1: you got paid a thousand bucks, and I'm going, wow, 77 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: that would be great. You know, maybe it would pay 78 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: like half of them. I got six kids, so maybe 79 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: it would pay half of my grocery bill for the month. 80 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: For crying out loud, it's crazy, but you hear about 81 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: salaries of the coaching like, you know, you're all list 82 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: of the sport, and people think you get into coaching 83 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you're gonna become a multi millionaire. 84 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: And I've talked enough. I talked to enough of you coaches. Man, 85 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: I hear it. Man, that's a grind that I remember 86 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: your first head coaching job. I was on the team 87 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: for the Wilmington Sharks. And can you talk about that 88 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: grind and coaching? Because you don't get into it for 89 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: the money. No, you shouldn't. Um, you know, I think 90 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: some may which is, you know, really what you should 91 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: not be in coaching for if you can get lucky 92 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: and and you know, maybe one day, um, if things 93 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: fall into place, you might make some decent money. But 94 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: if that ever comes ahead of why you truly started coaching, 95 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: you know, you're losing sight of what you're what you're 96 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: really in it for, um, the purity of coaching and 97 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: having an impact and you know, really helping these kids develop. 98 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: And that's the thing I mean, you know, why do 99 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: you coach? You have to ask yourself that question every 100 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: single day. And if it's about you know, if you 101 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: if you want an hourly job and you want to 102 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: make a lot of money with nine to five coaches, 103 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: not gonna work out for you. You brought up that word, 104 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: you say the word why you know? And I think 105 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: that's I know for me and my own professional career. 106 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: You know, there were times I had to revisit my 107 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: why right, because if you're only chasing the dollars, it's 108 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: easy to get sucked into number one and two. I 109 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: feel like you can never be fulfilled. How important is 110 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: it to visit that why from a coaching aspect of 111 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: making sure you're you mentioned the purity right trying to 112 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: help somebody else? I mean, is that all what it 113 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: comes down to at the end of the day, Just 114 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: trying to really be a servant leader and try to 115 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: help these kids prepare for life. Yeah, I think, you know, 116 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: I think any of us can be guilty of you know, 117 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: if you move up in any line of of work 118 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: and and you you know, quote more successful, um when 119 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: it comes to producing or wins and losses in sports, 120 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: you know obviously, because that's what you know. The normal 121 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: person judges most people on their performance as a player 122 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: and the win loss as a coach. But you know, 123 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: if you if deep down you know that, Okay, here's 124 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: why I'm doing it, and you have to trust it, 125 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: that side of us going to take care of itself. 126 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: So I think as you continue to get older, and 127 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: you know, the more successful you are the more you 128 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: should be asking yourself that question so you don't lose sight, 129 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, you don't, you don't concentrate on the wrong 130 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: things and you're focusing on the right things. And I 131 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: read a book really early in my uh when I 132 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: started coaching. Um I believe it was called when any 133 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: taste care of itself? Um, when the score will take 134 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: care of itself? Whatever about Bill Wallace, former coach, And 135 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: that really stuck out to me, is like, that's a 136 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: great point, like if you do all this and all 137 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: this and all this, that that all that other stuff 138 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: will take care of itself. There's a great line in 139 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: business that they say, if you take care of the 140 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: top line, the bottom line will foule. And I look 141 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: at it like, you know, if you're in a performance 142 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: based occupation, you know obviously the wins and losses have 143 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: to play into it. But at the same time, does 144 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: it if you know, if you take care of everything else? 145 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: Did you really believe in that? Is that hard to 146 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: buy into, especially as you're trying to make a name 147 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: for yourself and coaching, Like, I gotta trust, you know, 148 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: people like to talk about the process. I gotta trust 149 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: what I believe I gotta trust my core values that 150 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: it will take care of itself. Do you find yourself 151 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: having to revisit that often to make sure that you, like, 152 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: like you stay focused on your why. Yeah, I would 153 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: say there was a point, um for sure. You know, 154 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: I remember very vividly after we went to a four 155 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: years in a row, and uh, you know, there's a 156 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: time we all have to make sure that we had 157 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: that our conversation is like, okay, like you're no different 158 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: now than you were before you made a trip to Omaha. 159 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: That's don't just don't get let's don't start thinking you're 160 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: this or that, um, and just bringing yourself back down 161 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: to earth understanding that in sports, you know, you can 162 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: be in the national championship one year and not being 163 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: a regional the next. And that's that's just part of 164 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: what we do. UM. But I think it's important that 165 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: we all have that conversation with ourselves a ton um 166 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, you have to 167 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: believe it, uh yourself, or you're you're wasting that that conversation. UM, 168 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,679 Speaker 1: you know, you have to believe that, Okay, I'm coaching, 169 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: so I can have this conversation that I'm having with 170 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: Nick right now because of coaching him in the coach 171 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: the playing league where we build a relationship. It wasn't 172 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: just about helping Nick, you know, go back to Northcona, 173 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: Westland and be a starting catcher. There was more to 174 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: it than that. And at the end of that, I 175 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: think it's so important because a lot of youth athletes 176 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: will listen to this and and it's so easy to 177 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: get caught up on the social media. You're going to showcases, 178 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: you're traveling around the country. It's so prevalent now where 179 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: parents and kids are going all over this trying to 180 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: get seen, and it's almost like at times we get 181 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: disconnected with you know, do we forget as parents or 182 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: even as young players? You know why we're doing this 183 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: for the joy of the game. Because I feel like 184 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: the more fun you're having, I think that translates ultimately 185 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: to performance. If you're having fun, you might be willing 186 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: to do those early workouts. They don't necessarily want to 187 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: or do those extra things. So how important is it. 188 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: How do you find the joy and make sure you're 189 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: constantly aware that that is the ultimate why you're playing, 190 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: but at the same time keeping that edge and knowing 191 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: that hey, I have to have intent. You know, while 192 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: I'm doing this, I don't, uh, you have something that 193 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: I do observe now more that will always try to 194 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: observe things. And you're watching kids play, and there's definitely 195 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: a trend that is somewhat concerning is you watch kids 196 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: play and you wonder, like are they even enjoying it? 197 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: You know, like I go back to them when I 198 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: was younger, like I always feel like I was having 199 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: a blast. You know, that was the one thing playing baseball, basketball, 200 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: whatever it was, football that there are times where you 201 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: know you could be down or you're down on yourself 202 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: because you're struggling. But and I really do enjoy now 203 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: trying to help these kids understand, Okay, here's how you 204 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: will find more joy. Here's how you will have more fun. 205 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: You know when you're when you're leading these kids, you 206 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: want them to understand, like if you if you do 207 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: all these things, you're a great teammate and you're working, 208 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, you should you should have a blast, you know, 209 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: and if you're not doing those things, okay, that little 210 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: voice is gonna speak to you and you may not 211 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: be you may not deserve to have that fun because 212 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: you're not the type of teammate that you need to 213 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: be UM, or you're not working at the level uh 214 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: that you have to work to get the results that 215 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: you want to get. But you know, as John Woodn't 216 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: said to like, you have to really love your people 217 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 1: to get the most out of them. And that means 218 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: when you love somebody, you get to know them. If 219 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: you don't get to know the kids that you're coaching 220 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: and what makes them, ticks really hard to get them 221 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: us out of that individual, kid, you got my mind, Race. 222 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: And I did a tweet the other day and it 223 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: was based off a conversation I had with a coach 224 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: or here recently. He he told me, and I hear 225 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 1: this all the time, and I know that something that 226 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: you've probably heard two along your path. UM. He told 227 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: me he reached out to a kid. Now, this is 228 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: a Division two top twenty five coach, and he reached 229 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: out to a junior. UM kid has no offers and 230 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: is not obviously not committed anywhere. And and he said 231 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: the conversation was fine, but the kid kind of told 232 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: him like, listen, I appreciate it, but I'm really interested 233 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: in going to Division one. But thank you so much 234 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: for you know reaching now. Um, and I hear that, 235 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: and I'm like, it blows my I can't even fathom 236 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: that idea, Like I get chasing your ultimate dream, right 237 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: if your dream is to play for University of North Carolina, 238 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: you know, pursuing that, But why not keep doors open? 239 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: You know? Can you talk a little bit about that 240 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: because you're a D three guy here you are coaching 241 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: at the highest level of college sports, Like what doors 242 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: can open and why maybe kids should keep an open mind? Yeah. 243 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 1: And then when I have a chance to talk to 244 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: two different groups about the recruiting process, that's the first 245 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: thing I tell them is everybody's gotta pass. And you know, 246 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: it's just not it's not that easy to go play 247 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: it in North Carolina and l s U, um, you know, 248 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: Mississippi State, you know, all those type of schools or 249 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: necessarily a Division one, And what people don't realize is 250 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: there are a lot of Division twos in Division threes 251 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: that can line up with a bunch of Division ones, 252 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: not just line up with them, but beat them. Um. 253 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: And just trying to educate, Yeah, that that is something 254 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: where in today's world, you know, it ain't cool necessarily 255 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: to tweet out that you're going to this school or 256 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: that school. Um, and people are caught up in their 257 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: wrong things because if you really do your research, you know, 258 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: especially in baseball, you know, junior colleges Division two's, n 259 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: AIS Division threes. I mean, there's good baseball all over 260 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: the country. And that's the point. Do you think that 261 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: you know, you look at the trade for portal, is 262 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: that a direct correlation to maybe kids maybe over because 263 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you're getting the cream of the crop. 264 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: Obviously in North Carolina you have the best kids in 265 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: the country going there. But I mean, do you see 266 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: a direct result of maybe kids over shooting or even such, 267 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: you know, maybe getting bad advice. You know, that's a 268 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: hot topic that people say. Then I've heard many coaches 269 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: say this that coaches or trainers are such who are 270 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: being paid by the family, who may not be given 271 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: the best advice and maybe there's some some ulterior motives there. Um. 272 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if you could speak on that, but 273 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: I think from an education standpoint, I think it's important 274 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: for parents and kids that there is a reality that 275 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: there is an element out there where people might not 276 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: always have your best interests in mind and particularly finding 277 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: the right fit. Yeah, you have to be careful that 278 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: you listen to that's for sure. And do I think 279 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people are giving bad advice, Yes, they 280 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: definitely are. So you want to make sure your research 281 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: and who you're getting that advice from. UM. And I 282 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: think it's very important that you don't shoot down dreams 283 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: as a parent, but you also, uh, you know, have 284 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: enough awareness that you can help your your son or 285 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: your daughter. You know, through the process from the standpoint 286 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: of okay, um, you know here as a family, you know, 287 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: here's what what we think, and you can have these goals. 288 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: But as it continues to go through the process, understand 289 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: that sometimes you know, if your goal is to be 290 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: in North Carolina, it may not be right now. You know, 291 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: it might be going to a junior college and then 292 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: being recruited out of that junior college, or it might 293 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: be going to a North kinto Westley and you know, 294 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: you end up getting there and you absolutely love it 295 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: and that's where you thrive. So I think when you 296 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: said a while ago, is be careful closing doors too soon, um, 297 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: because you might want that same door that you closed 298 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: to be open because the options you thought were gonna 299 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: be there and never end up being there. That's a 300 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: vital component of it. And you know, it's building relationships, right. 301 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: You mentioned how we're sitting here talking today because we 302 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: had a relationship, you know, twenty plus years ago, and 303 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: here we are. We've always stayed in touch and always 304 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: kept in attack, but here we are. You know. One 305 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: of the reasons why I feel so passionately about this 306 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: is because of that summer that we had in playing 307 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: for the Sharks. And I remember we had just won 308 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: the Division three national championship and I was fortunate to 309 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: get invited myself, Jason Sigley, Sean Fleming, and Buddy Hernandez right, 310 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: our three pictures on our team that won the national title. 311 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: Here I am, and I'll never forget this. I tell 312 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: this story a lot. We show up to practice where 313 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: a few days late because we, you know, won the 314 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: national title. And I'll never forget. The first thing that 315 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: I noticed walking up to the first practice was big 316 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: Michael Johnson and his white Clemson cleats. You know, I 317 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: was like, oh, because up until that point, the only 318 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: time I saw those was on TV, you know, at 319 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: the College World Series, and I was yeah, big Country 320 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: and I'm looking at his shoes, going, where the heck 321 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: am I right now? Like? Do I belong here? Holy cow? 322 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: This is Clemson, this is South We had guys from 323 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: South Carolina, you know, obviously from all over the A, 324 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: SEC and SEC on that team, and here we are, 325 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: our little D three guys, and our team ended up 326 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: winning the championship. You know, we ended up. Our pictures 327 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: were dominant. You know, I started, I got a lot 328 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: better from that experience at Jason Howell, right, who's now 329 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: your assistant, was on that team, Jamie Posting from South Carolina, 330 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: Tim Levine from Virginia. You know, he ends up going 331 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: to Triple A. But I mean, all these guys here 332 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: we are, and I never once felt like I couldn't 333 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: compete there, you know, I did. I feel like there 334 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: was a difference. Sure, you know, guys, the balls went 335 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: a lot further in BP for some of those power 336 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: fights like Michael Johnson and others. But I never felt 337 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: like I didn't belong. And then you have Buddy Hernandez, 338 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: Sean Fleman, Jason Sibley just shoving that whole summer and dominating. 339 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: Guys were wondering why they were at North Carolina. Wesleyan. 340 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: So I think it's important to tell that story because 341 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: at firsthand, here's these d three guys competing right up 342 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: there with the best of the best. Do you think 343 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: that that's something that kids should keep in mind that, Hey, 344 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: if you're good enough, you can get drafted like Buddy 345 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: was on the forty man roster. Guys get go pro 346 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: from all levels of college sports, yea, and especially in baseball, 347 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: but other sports too. Um. You know, good, look, we're uh, 348 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: you know, Jerry Rice played college football or or or 349 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: or just a bus of great even Hall of Fame 350 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: type players. Um. They're not always at the name schools. Um. 351 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: And I remember that, you know. Obviously I had the 352 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: luxury of being around you guys before I had come 353 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: to you and see and taking that job with the 354 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: women in Sharks, And I knew that if I could 355 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: get you four guys that the day you could help 356 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: us win in that league. Um. And that's the key, 357 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, these kids understanding that there is a good 358 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: baseball all over the country. And what you're looking for 359 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: is not necessarily just the name of a school, but 360 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: you're looking for a great program, you know, one that 361 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna improve obviously as a player. But you're gonna 362 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: leave that program better all around, in every in every area, 363 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: and you're gonna get an unbelievable degree wherever you are, 364 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: like the things that people don't talk enough about. When 365 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: Coach Forbes and I returned, we'll dig into his legacy 366 00:16:53,480 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: and it's focused on being a blue collar team. Welcome 367 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: back to the Reformed Sports Project podcast. Where Scott and 368 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: I left off, we were about to discuss his legacy 369 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: as a coach in relationship with his players. You're as 370 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: competitive as anyone I've ever met in my life, right, Obviously, 371 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: that's what drives a lot of us. You know, ultra competitive, 372 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: and you've you've won at the highest level and been 373 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: around success, you know, your entire career. But when you 374 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: peel back the layers of the young gion, you know, 375 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: when when your time, you know, let's say it's thirty 376 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: years from now, what do you want to have the 377 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: biggest impact? What do you want to have the legacy 378 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: of Scott Forbes? Is it just to win national titles? 379 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: Just go to Omaha? What do you want kids and 380 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: your players to say about you and your kind of 381 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: legacy to be as as things move along man. That's 382 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: it's funny you said that because we just uh, we 383 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: just had our first pitch banquet, um and I'm standing 384 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: up there. You know, really we had it last year, 385 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: was it was virtual, so it was a lot different, 386 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: you know. And I'm just looking at all the former players, 387 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: and you know, it can get you pretty emotional. The 388 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,239 Speaker 1: older you get, the more you can coach. You know, 389 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: the first thing that comes to my mind is, you know, 390 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: all these former players, like that's that's who had allowed 391 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: us and me as a coach to be successful. Because 392 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: if you lose sight of that, it's about your players. 393 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: That's the number one most important thing. Current players when 394 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: they leave here, they're always your former players. You know. 395 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: I would say that I would always hope that every 396 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: player that comes through the University of North Carolina's baseball program, no, 397 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: then they know individually when they leave, whether or not 398 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: they're a superstar, whether or not they didn't play at all, 399 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: that they were generally cared about. And as corny as 400 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: it sounds, we talked about in our program all the time, 401 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: it's how powerful the word love is. That they know 402 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: there's more to our program than just winning. And you 403 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: made you made the statement about being competitive, and yeah, 404 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: like I'm never gonna apologize for that, and our players 405 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: know that, like once the game starts, once we go 406 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: between the white lines, we've got and goal and that's 407 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: never gonna change, you know. That's that's how we're supposed 408 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: to be when the game starts. But there are a 409 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: lot of other things that happen on the other side 410 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: of those white lines that, in my opinion, are gonna 411 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: impact these kids more when it comes to their just 412 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: their life because their amount of time here you and 413 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: see it's so short, you know, Nick, And that's all 414 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: we always talk about here, like okay, what is our 415 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: mission statement? And our guys know, like we want them 416 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: to leave here just better um as people. So when 417 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: they leave here man like they they can look back 418 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: and be like man that discipline, that accountability, um all 419 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: those morning lists, uh, you know those guest speakers. You know, 420 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: Coach Forwards reminded us all the time about how important 421 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: it is to get your degree. Those things, those things 422 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: are what are gonna have the most impact on your life. Obviously, 423 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: we want our guys to leave here too, to have 424 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: reached their full potential in baseball. But there's so much 425 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: more to it, and just knowing that like, okay, because 426 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: players known, you knew every every coach you've ever played for. 427 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: If you look back on it, you know, okay, that 428 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: coach really cares or he doesn't. And you know it 429 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,479 Speaker 1: would be a really tough pill to swallow if it 430 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: was the ladder and I and and any of us 431 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: ever felt like a player that player, if you didn't 432 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: feel like you generally cared about them and their life. 433 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: So it's going the extra mile, right, And that's what 434 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: coach Sweeney from Clemson football said. It's about you know, 435 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: the word love, accountability, the same thing you said, but 436 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: it's showing them. He he mentioned, every time you're in 437 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: front of a young person is extremely important. You can't 438 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: take it for granted. Always an opportunity to influence. Is 439 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: that something you keep in mind, Like every interaction means something. Yes, 440 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: and we all should you know, we all none of 441 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: us are getting younger, you know, so everybody in life 442 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: you should be maturing um and hold theirselves more accountable, 443 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: become better at handling adversity or you know, as a coach, 444 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: if you have a tendency to not have patients learning 445 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: more patients things like that. But you're right, like constantly 446 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: reminding yourself, Okay, what you say is important, how you 447 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: say it is important, and then are you walking the 448 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: walk like because you know, I mean the example is 449 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: the teammate. You know, you've got a guy that's a captain. 450 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: He's not walking the walk. It's gonna be hard if 451 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: you look at him as a captain. Um So I 452 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: think all of us as coaches, you know, that's a 453 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: huge responsibility. Like Billy Graham said, you know, coach has 454 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: it's I mean, really in a year can have more 455 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: impact on a kid than a lot of people will 456 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: their entire life. And that's that's a pretty big deal 457 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: that you can't tell lightly coach, we're coming up on time. Man, 458 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: this is I could talk to obviously all day and night. 459 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: I could tell you're passionate. It's just it's it comes 460 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: through just so clearly. You know a lot of kids, 461 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: a lot of parents want to, you know, take advice. 462 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: They're gonna live into your words and try to apply it. 463 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: And I think it's interesting that you know, kids want 464 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: to look at the swag, they want to look at 465 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: the glitz and glamour. Uh, the sexiness of college sports 466 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: or pro ball, whatever it is. If you're talking to 467 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: you know, would be recruits or kids that aspire to 468 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: come play in North Carolina or to play college ball 469 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: in general, what would you want them to look at 470 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: when watching the tar Heels play? What characteristics about your 471 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: players would you want them to pay attention to to 472 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: help them maybe put themselves in the best position possible. Yeah, 473 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: I would say, you know, when we we've been talking 474 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: about this a lot as a team. Um, this fall 475 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: we did, and this preseason is okay. You know, we 476 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: we want to be known that the Carolina baseball is 477 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: the blue collar hard work because I firmly believe that 478 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: hard work always pays off. Um, you know, because you're 479 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: gonna that hard work is going to carry you when 480 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: you leave here, whether or not in baseball, whether or not, 481 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: in business, whether or not it's being a better husband, 482 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: being a better father. And because within that hard work, 483 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: you know, becomes the discipline. So we want to have 484 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: a discipline team that is very fundamentally sound, that does 485 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: all the little things well, that puts a ton of 486 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: pressure on their opponents. But we also, as you said, 487 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: working hard on playing where it's clear that these guys 488 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: love to play like they play with energy. Um. They're 489 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: not gonna stop playing regardless of the score. Um. And 490 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: they're gonna be to do that and be consistent with 491 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: it throughout the season and just as a program like 492 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: that's what they're gonna be known for. And that's what 493 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: I've always respected about winning programs is that, you know, 494 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: like Dean Smith's all those years, his teams always were 495 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: in the mix. And that's so hard to do. You know, 496 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: have a team that's always got a chance, even in 497 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: their down quote years. They're pretty competitive and they can 498 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: beat you. And that's something we take a lot of 499 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: pride in here at UNC is you know we're gonna 500 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna compete, and you know we're what We're gonna 501 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: do it the right way. We're not gonna get caught 502 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: up in in what right now is necessarily the world's 503 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: way of show voting and celebrating. We're gonna play the 504 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: right way. We're gonna try to beat whoever we're playing. Um, 505 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: Then we're gonna try to beat them good. Then after 506 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: the game, you know, you have that respect and and 507 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: you separate the two compete like a savage, but have 508 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: respect while you're doing it. I absolutely love and I've 509 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: known firsthand that that's the way you were to know 510 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: when I played for you. Man coach for Scott Forbes 511 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: University of North Carolina. I cannot thank you enough man. 512 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: I love you always a pleasure. Thanks so much for 513 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: coming on man. Thanks to Toning. Nick Um, love you too, 514 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: and you know I'm just thankful for what you're doing. 515 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: That's Scott Forbes, head baseball coach for the University of 516 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Thanks for listening to the 517 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: Reformed Sports Project podcast. I'm Nick Voticourt and our goal 518 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: is to restore a healthy balance and perspective in all 519 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: areas of sports through education and advocacy. 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