1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: She was screaming, saying, there's blood all over the car. 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, the baby's coming. I 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: was like trying to talk her through it. Just breathe, 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: just take deep breaths. Can you feel the baby's head. 5 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, a show about 6 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: the people we trust the most and the deceptions that 7 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: change everything. Here at Betrayal, we've received hundreds of emails 8 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: messages from listeners telling us their own shocking stories of deception, 9 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: and we knew we had to find a way to 10 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: share them. So every Thursday, we'll be bringing you new 11 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: stories of resilience in the face of devastating betrayal. Some 12 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: stories will be contained to one episode and others will 13 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: be least in two parts. Besides hearing from listeners, our 14 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: team has been researching and reading about some of the 15 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: most unbelievable deceptions and betrayals from across the world, not 16 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 2: just romantic betrayals, but familial and financial ones, and in 17 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: this story, it's somewhere in between. In the process of 18 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: adopting a baby, Matt and Laura Trait were pulled into 19 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: a twilight zone of deception and fraud. 20 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 3: Something switched in US, and we immediately went into attack mode, like, 21 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 3: we can't let someone get away with this, and so 22 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 3: we started immediately making phone calls to the Sheriff's department 23 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: to I mean, anybody that would listen, and. 24 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: I remember the sheriff saying, well, it's not a crime 25 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: to hurt someone's feelings. 26 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: This is Laura Trait and her husband, Matt. Matt and 27 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: Laura met in two thousand and five when they were 28 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: both in graduate school to become teachers. He was standing 29 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: in line with his classmate when he first met Laura. 30 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 3: She inserted herself into our conversation with my classmate and 31 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: was like, Oh, are you in the teaching program. I'm 32 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 3: in the teaching program too. We talked for a little 33 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: bit and went back to class. My other friend I 34 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: was with was like, Oh, she's really into you. I said, oh, no, 35 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 3: she's not. Like she's way out of my league. There's 36 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 3: no way she was into me. 37 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 2: Matt's friend was right. 38 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: I know it sounds so cliche, but when I saw 39 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: Matt around campus, I just kind of knew he had 40 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: just the kind of smile and kind eyes. So I 41 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: basically worked up the courage that night to say hello. 42 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: Laura invited him to her birthday dinner. He showed up 43 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: with flowers. 44 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 3: That was kind of our first date. 45 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it worked out for me. We're pretty much stuck 46 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: at the hip, like right from the start. It just 47 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: kind of clicked. 48 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: They dated for two years, and over that time, their 49 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: initial attraction grew into a deep connection. This is what 50 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: Matt says he loves about Laura. 51 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 3: What drew me to Laura when I first met her 52 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: were her eyes and her smile. I could tell that 53 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 3: she was just a kind person. Little did I know 54 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 3: just how amazingly kind and generous that she is. She 55 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 3: is one of the most selfless human beings that I've 56 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 3: ever met. 57 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: Thanks my love. I mean, he's saying all the things 58 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: that I wanted to say about him. 59 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: And this is what she loves about Matt. 60 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: When I saw Matt around campus, I could just tell 61 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: from looking at him that he's just He has such 62 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: a kind face and eyes and smile, and I just 63 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: was drawn to that. It was true that he is 64 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: the kindest man I've literally ever met. So what he 65 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: gotta taught me now? O, God, getting emotional already. 66 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: After they graduated, the couple started talking about the future together, 67 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: everything from marriage to having kids. 68 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: I was raised in such a big family that I 69 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: just always wanted a family. I always wanted more than 70 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: one child. That was like my biggest dream in life. 71 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: Matt felt the same way. He loved kids and wanted 72 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 2: a family with Laura. 73 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 3: It's just something we both agreed on. Right from the start. 74 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: They knew they'd have to make sacrifices to have the 75 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 2: big family they dreamed of. 76 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: We both were becoming teachers, and I mean the idea 77 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: was to just make a difference in people's lives. We 78 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: were never into material veins. We were never into like 79 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: name brands or anything like that. We were just more 80 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: focused on having a family together and growing old together, 81 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: like in simple ways. 82 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: Laura and Matt got married at thirty one, and right 83 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: away they started trying to build their family. 84 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: We started trying right away, and it's really disheartening when 85 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: you're trying and it's not working. So it became like 86 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: this huge project, which is sad to say. Yeah, even 87 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: if we weren't in the mood or whatever, we'd be like, okay, 88 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: well I'm ovulating, so we need to try. And it 89 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: just wasn't working. 90 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: You know, you get to a certain point in the 91 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: process also where you know it definitely affects you mentally, 92 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 3: the struggle, you know, something that comes so easy for 93 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 3: some people. 94 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 2: After a year with no luck, their doctors ordered a 95 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: series of tests. The trades learned they both have medical 96 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: conditions that make it difficult to conceive, so their doctors 97 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: recommended IVF, But the biggest obstacle was financial. One round 98 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: of IVF is expensive. 99 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 3: The cost per cycle is just staggering. 100 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: This was in two thousand and nine. It was probably 101 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: between twenty to thirty thousand dollars. But to us, there 102 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: is no more worth the money. Yeah, and I remember 103 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: like writing down notes and being ready, like to have 104 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: a meeting with Mad's parents to ask them for help. 105 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: We had to lay out the plan, lay out the prices. 106 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: They want to know all the details and why it 107 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: was costing this much. But we really had to go 108 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: to family and advocate for ourselves and be like, please help, 109 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: but we really want to have a family. 110 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: Their families agreed to help financially, and the couple started 111 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: their first IVF cycle. 112 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,239 Speaker 1: The first one wasn't successful at all, but we weren't 113 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: ready to give up, so we tried again. Within the 114 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: next couple of months of that one not working. 115 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,119 Speaker 2: On their second cycle, they got a positive pregnancy test. 116 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: We were so excited and hopeful. And then we went 117 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: to our first ultrasound and my body was creating all 118 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: the pregnancy hormones, but there was no baby. 119 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: It was an emotional roller coaster, but they weren't ready 120 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: to give up on their dream. After a few months, 121 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: they decided to give IVF one final. 122 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 3: Shot, our third try. We put in three embryos and 123 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 3: thought that this was going to be our last opportunity. 124 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: Finally they got the phone call they'd been waiting for. 125 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: When they called and said that my levels were like 126 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: in the nine hundreds and that I was pregnant. I 127 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: was shocked and just elated. 128 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: After years of disappointment. They were cautious, almost afraid to 129 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: believe that this pregnancy was real. 130 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 3: We had done this before and believed we were pregnant, 131 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: and then we go in for the ultrasound and we weren't. 132 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 3: And so the real true moment for us was going 133 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: in for that first ultrasound appointment and being able to 134 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: see that there actually was a baby in there. It 135 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 3: was one of the most joyous, amazing experiences of our life. 136 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: Laura had an image in her head of what pregnancy 137 00:07:59,320 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: would be like. 138 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: I was always so excited to be pregnant because I 139 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: thought I would be one of those cute pregnant ladies 140 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: that wear all the cute pregnancy clothes and waddle about 141 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: and just be happy all the time. 142 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: Instead, Laura started having pre term contractions at twenty weeks. 143 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: I was having a lot of them and they were 144 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: monitoring me, so they put me on strict bed rest 145 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: for the rest of the pregnancy. 146 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 3: We just kind of pushed through, like, Hey, this is 147 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: all going to be worth it. It's going to be 148 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: worth the wait. 149 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: She spent the last few weeks of her pregnancy in 150 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 2: the hospital under constant monitoring, until finally. 151 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: They woke us up one morning and they're like, we're 152 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: going to do a sea section this morning. And I 153 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: remember during the sea section, just waiting to hear that 154 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: little cry, you know, just waiting to hear that sound, 155 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: and when you hear it and it's like, oh, it 156 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: feels so good to have your dream come true. 157 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 3: He was a miracle for us. Out of nine or 158 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 3: ten embryos that we had put in through the courses 159 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 3: of all the cycles. One was successful and it just 160 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 3: felt like everything finally was in place and it was 161 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 3: just overjoyed with happiness. 162 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: They named their son Hudson, which was the name of 163 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: both of their hometowns, hers in New Hampshire and his 164 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: in Ohio. Hudson was happy and healthy. Despite how difficult 165 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: it was to have him, the joy of being his 166 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: parents outweighed it all and they wanted to do it again. 167 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: We had still had some of those frozen embryos, and 168 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: we decided to try more rounds of IVF. 169 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: They went in with high hopes for another miracle like Hudson, 170 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 2: but after their fifth IVF cycle ended in a miscarriage. 171 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: We kind of did more soul searching. We were like, 172 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: let's look into adoption, so we started raising money again. 173 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: Just like IVF, adoption has upfront costs, big ones. 174 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: We had an adoption yard sale and went back to family, 175 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: you know, to borrow money. 176 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 3: There were adoption facilitators whose job basically is to connect 177 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 3: you with a birth mother, and they want to charge 178 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 3: you fifteen to twenty thousand dollars just to talk to 179 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 3: a birth mother. You know, it's like, hey, we've got 180 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 3: a birth mother on hand. They really need somebody, if 181 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 3: you send us fifteen thousand dollars, you can talk to them. 182 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: Because they'd already invested so much money in building their family, 183 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: the Traits needed to be resourceful. 184 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: I have my graphic design degree, so I was like, 185 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: I'll create a website for us, and we'll try and 186 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: reach out to see if we can find birth moms 187 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: who are looking for a nice family on our own 188 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: instead of going through one of these agencies. And so 189 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: that's when I started creating this website called the Sibling 190 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: for Hudson dot Com. 191 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: A Sibling for Hudson dot com. The name said it 192 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: all and it worked. Three different women were interested in 193 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: having the Traits adopt their baby. They talked to them all, 194 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: screening for the best match, somebody they could see being 195 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 2: in their lives long term. That's how they settled on. 196 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: This birth mom, Elizabeth Jones, Matt and. 197 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 2: Laura Trade were dedicated to growing their family. It was 198 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: their biggest dream. They made a website where they told 199 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: their story, shared family photos, and made a heartfelt plead 200 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: they wanted to adopt a baby. That's how they met 201 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Jones, a birth mother who was five months pregnant. 202 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: She said that the reason they were adopting out their 203 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: child was because she wanted to focus on her career 204 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: and her husband did too, and they had two children already, 205 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: so they couldn't afford to raise another child, and they 206 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: felt like the best thing to do was to find 207 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: another good family for that baby. 208 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: Elizabeth lived in Virginia, across the country from the Trades 209 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: in California. At first, the couple took it slow, made 210 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 2: no assumptions, and took time to get to know each 211 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: other over the phone. But after those initial calls, Laura 212 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 2: started talking to Elizabeth every day. 213 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: We were like growing this amazing bond, talking every day 214 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: and really building a strong relationship. We had video calls. 215 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: Matt and Hudson got to meet her through a video call. 216 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: She kind of felt like a sister to me. 217 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: Elizabeth was stoic, thoughtful, she'd been in the military, and 218 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 2: she took things seriously. After a few weeks of talking 219 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: every day, Elizabeth told the Traits that she'd made her decision. 220 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: She told us, I really would love it if you 221 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: guys would adopt my baby, and we found out at 222 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: that time as a girl. 223 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: They were overjoyed with the news. Laura and Elizabeth. They'd 224 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: become really close over the past month. Elizabeth felt like 225 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 2: the right person, someone who could be a positive addition 226 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: to their family, part of the baby's story. 227 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: We wanted the baby to know where she came from. 228 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: We were always going to be honest about that, and 229 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: hopefully we could all have a really great relationship. 230 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 2: So the Traits began the legal process, finding adoption attorneys 231 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: and starting the paperwork. All the while they stayed cautiously optimistic. 232 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 3: You never know if the birth mother is going to 233 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 3: change their mind at the last minute, so we're remaining hopeful, 234 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 3: but we're trying to kind of guard ourselves a little 235 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: bit in the process because the baby has a right 236 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 3: to stay with the birth mother if that's what they choose. 237 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: But Elizabeth was all in. 238 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: She kept telling us this baby girl is yours, and 239 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: I have no plans whatsoever backing out, Like I really 240 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: want you guys to be her family, and this is 241 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: a great match. And we were like, this is a 242 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: great match, and we love you guys, and we're so 243 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: looking forward to doing this together as a unit. 244 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 2: So the Traits started preparing a nursery for their baby. 245 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: She sent us ultrasound photos she even mailed us as 246 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: stuffed unicorn with the baby's heartbeat in it, like recorded 247 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: in it. So we were like elated setting up the 248 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: baby's room here at our house and we put the 249 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: little unicorn in there from the ultrasound photo. 250 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: When Elizabeth was seven months pregnant, Laura decided to fly 251 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: out to Virginia to meet her. Even though it was 252 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 2: their first time meeting in person, it felt like a reunion. 253 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: Laura greeted her with teary eyes and a long hug. 254 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: We spent like every waking hour together, like we went 255 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: shopping for baby clothes together. We picked up out like 256 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: a going home outfit, and we toured the hospital where 257 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: she was going to give birth. We did a professional 258 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: photo shoot, and I had made us shirts. Our shirt 259 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: said birth mom Strong and my shirt said adoptive Mom Strong. 260 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: So I brought those out there with me and we 261 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: had our professional photo shoot. 262 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: In the photos, Laura and Elizabeth are standing in a 263 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: wooded area, arm in arm. They're each making half of 264 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 2: a heart with one hand holding the heart shape up 265 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: to the camera. They're beaming, and they're matching shirts. The 266 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: Treats sent this photo out as their holiday card that weekend. 267 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: We also went to meet with the adoption attorney and 268 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: she signed a power of attorney giving us rights to 269 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: make medical decisions for the baby girl. Before she flew 270 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: back home. Laura wanted to join Elizabeth at her doctor's appointment, 271 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: and Elizabeth agreed. 272 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: We were waiting in the waiting room and she had said, Oh, 273 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: I forgot my water in the car, can run out 274 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: and get my bottle of water. I'm really thirsty. I 275 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: was like, sure, I'll be right back, but then when 276 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: I came back into the waiting room, she was gone. 277 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: So I had told the nurses at the front desk 278 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: you know who I was, and thought I'd like to 279 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: go back with her, and they were kind of giving 280 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: me the run around, so I started texting her. 281 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: Elizabeth texted back that they brought her into the exam 282 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: room and while she was there looking at the baby 283 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 2: on the ultrasound monitor, Elizabeth was overwhelmed with emotion. She 284 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: asked Laura to wait outside. 285 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: I was feeling for her because I'm here to see 286 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: an ultrasound with her, and this must be hard for 287 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: the birth mom to have this person in the room 288 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: with her and she's going to give up her baby. 289 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: To me. 290 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: Matt hadn't come on this trip, so Laura called him 291 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: to get his opinion. 292 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 3: You don't want to push of birth mother, right because 293 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 3: this is a huge decision you're making. And so you know, 294 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 3: I've said before how empathetic Laura is and how she 295 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 3: puts herself in other people's shoes, and you know, she 296 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 3: was doing that, like feeling what this woman must have 297 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 3: felt having to make this decision. So it made it 298 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 3: understandable that there were some emotions going around. 299 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 2: After the appointment, Laura knew she had to have a 300 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: hard conversation with Elizabeth. 301 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: Elizabeth and I had a heart to heart. I remember 302 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: being like, Elizabeth, it's okay if you want to keep 303 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: baby girl, Like the best place for her is with 304 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: her family. If you want to keep the baby, it's okay, 305 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: and maybe you should keep the baby, you know, but 306 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: we really did bond during that conversation. She just ended 307 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: up reassuring me that it is what she wanted, and 308 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: so I just kind of hung in there and tried 309 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: to just kind of ignore my gut feelings and just 310 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: try to see it from her point of view. 311 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: Laura flew home feeling a bit nervous. She had expected 312 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 2: to go into the exam room and talk to the doctor, 313 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 2: but she empathized with Elizabeth's pain and she respected her. 314 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: After all, Elizabeth was giving their family the biggest gift, 315 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 2: and she never asked for a penny in return. 316 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 3: At no time did she ever ask us to give 317 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 3: her money, you know which some birth mothers do. I 318 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: pay for my rent or pay for my bills. I 319 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 3: need help. 320 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: I remember her telling me, no, I don't want any money. 321 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: I want you to put that money towards baby girl. 322 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 2: The baby's do date was in late December, and the 323 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 2: couple decided on a name for her. 324 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 1: When we found out that the baby was due right 325 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: around the holidays, we decided to name her Noela. We 326 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: thought it was a fitting name for the time that 327 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: she was due. 328 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: Laura and Elizabeth kept talking every day and the conversations 329 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 2: were intense, especially when in late November, Elizabeth started having 330 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: preterm contractions, just like Laura had in her pregnancy with Hudson. 331 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 3: She was in lots of pain. She had gone to 332 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 3: the er several times, to the point where they put 333 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 3: in something called a circlage. 334 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 2: Its stitches in the cervix to prevent the baby from 335 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 2: being born too early. Elizabeth kept the trades updated on 336 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: what her doctors were saying. 337 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: The doctor around this time also didn't amno, and she 338 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: said that the doctor said everything looked good, but she 339 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: had to be on bed rest, and the doctor was 340 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: okay with taking the circlause out and that it was 341 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: better to take the baby out now to not do 342 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: damage to her cervix. The baby girl's LUNs were fully 343 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: developed at that time, so she was begging us to 344 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: come back out for the delivery of the baby. 345 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: Things were happening quickly. It was scary. Elizabeth said her 346 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: doctors were recommending they removed the stitches and prepare for 347 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: an early delivery. So the couple jumped into action. 348 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 3: We were in Arizona visiting my family for Thanksgiving, so 349 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 3: we're scrambling around trying to change flight reservations and reaching 350 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 3: out to the lawyer, and it was just like, Okay, 351 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 3: it's time to get into action, to get out there 352 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 3: and finally meet our daughter. 353 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 2: The Traits and their son rushed to Virginia the day 354 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 2: after Thanksgiving and rented an airbnb. They had packed everything 355 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 2: they needed to bring home their daughter, Noela, and things 356 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 2: with Elizabeth were progressing quickly. 357 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: Right after she got our circlage out, she came to 358 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: the airbnb. They had said that she was three and 359 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: a half centimeters dilated at that time. She spent a 360 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: lot of time with us after that, and we were 361 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: just trying to take care of our best we could. 362 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: Every time she had a contraction, she was moaning and groaning, 363 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: complaining about how much pain she was in. So we 364 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: were just trying to be there for her to support 365 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: her through it, just trying to love on her and 366 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: just take care of her. 367 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: They also took care of Elizabeth's two young kids. 368 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: We were taking the kids out her kids out while 369 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: she rested, and one of the kids noticed the car 370 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: seat in her rental car and asked us, oh, is 371 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: that for the baby. At that point, we're like, oh, 372 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: they know about the baby, okay. 373 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 2: It was a relief that Elizabeth had talked to her 374 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 2: kids about the adoption. 375 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: Our son and her kids got along really well and 376 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 3: spent a lot of time playing and going to various 377 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 3: activities together. Just reassured us like, Hey, this is going 378 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 3: to be great. You know, our families are going to 379 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 3: know each other and they're going to grow up knowing 380 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 3: each other and that's going to be a beautiful thing. 381 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 2: It was also important to the Traits to be honest 382 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 2: with Hudson throughout the adoption process. 383 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: He was excited about having a brother's sister. It was 384 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: something that he really wanted to so we were telling 385 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: him that we were there to meet his baby's sister. 386 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 2: After a week, the baby hadn't come. 387 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 3: I mean, that's a good thing. We want her to 388 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 3: be healthy, and so we had told her we were 389 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 3: going to go home the next day. I have school 390 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 3: to get back to and Hudson had school to get 391 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 3: back to, and it was just time for us to 392 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 3: go back. And you know, look, we'll fly back out 393 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 3: when baby comes, don't worry. 394 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 2: Late that night, Laura received an alarming text from Elizabeth. 395 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: She sent pictures of bloody sheets on the bed as 396 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 1: she said that they were rushing at the hospit. 397 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 2: The doctors examined Elizabeth at the hospital. They determined that 398 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 2: she was in early labor and told her to come 399 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 2: back in the morning when her labor had progressed further. 400 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: The baby was premature, but otherwise healthy. Laura and Matt 401 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: were elated that they would meet their baby the next day, 402 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: but the next morning, Elizabeth's labor had progressed rapidly. She 403 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 2: sent Laura and Matt even more photos of blood. That's 404 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 2: when the urgency set in. She needed to go to 405 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 2: the hospital right away, so the Traits jumped in their 406 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: rental car, speeding to the hospital to meet her and 407 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: the baby. 408 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: She actually called me on our drive and she was screaming, saying, 409 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: there's blood everywhere, and oh my god, oh my god, 410 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: the baby's coming, you know, there's blood all over the 411 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: car and her husband was driving, and I was like 412 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: trying to talk her through it. Just breathe, just take 413 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: deep breaths. If you put your hand on there, can 414 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: you feel the baby's head. Do you have anything to 415 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: wrap the baby in? She was like, I have a towel. 416 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 3: All that. 417 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: Then Elizabeth told Laura that her husband flagged down a 418 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 2: passing ambulance. They were going to take the ambulance to 419 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 2: the hospital. 420 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: So we were like, okay, we'll meet you there. 421 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: On her first visit, Laura toured the hospital and Nicki 422 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 2: with Elizabeth. They'd met the nurses who'd be there for 423 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: the delivery, met and Laura made it to the maternity 424 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: ward before Elizabeth and the ambulance. 425 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: I saw some of the nurses we had met during 426 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: our tour, and I was like, you know, Elizabeth's giving 427 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: birth and the ambulance and she's on her way. And 428 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: so they jumped into action. They got a team together, 429 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: They got a little incubator, the whole team of doctors 430 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: and nurses and everyone. They were all waiting near the 431 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: elevators for the baby to come up. 432 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 2: Even in the rush, the trades had still remembered all 433 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 2: their necessary paperwork. 434 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: Matt was turning in our power of attorney, giving them 435 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: our insurance information, getting all set with that. 436 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 2: The chaos slowed down as the Trades waited by the 437 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 2: elevator doors with an incubator. 438 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: And we were just waiting and waiting. 439 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 3: The more time that went by, the more uneasy we 440 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 3: started to feel. Obviously, there was a sense of urgency 441 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 3: because the baby needed the nick you and here we 442 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 3: are at the NIKU waiting and baby's not coming, and 443 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 3: baby's not coming. 444 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 2: It felt like time was standing still. They looked down 445 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 2: at their son, Hudson, who was six. 446 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 3: We worked so hard to reach this moment. The dream 447 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 3: was finally coming true. Our son had a big brother shirt. 448 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: On as the minutes dragged on, a nurse pulled Laura away, 449 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 2: suggesting that they go down to the er to be 450 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 2: closer to the ambulance arrivals. 451 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: We went, and those elevators and only doctors are allowed 452 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,959 Speaker 1: to use. When we went down to the er, and 453 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: all of the nurses were looking for this lady. They 454 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: were telling us nobody got delivered here by the ambulance 455 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: that gave birth, and so everybody was trying to figure 456 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: it out. They're calling other hospitals to see if maybe 457 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: they had gone to a different hospital with a nick 458 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,959 Speaker 1: you and Elizabeth just didn't realize which hospital they are 459 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: taking her to. And then I remember one of the 460 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: nurses coming up saying, there is someone here by the 461 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: name of Elizabeth Jones, but she checked herself in for 462 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: lower back pain and she's not even pregnant. Okay, Well, 463 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Jones is a common name, so maybe it's somebody else. 464 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: On the next episode of Betrayal, the day the Trades 465 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 2: had been dreaming of turns into a nightmare. 466 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: She's saying she doesn't even know you. She's saying she 467 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: has no idea of who you are. 468 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 2: If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal Team, 469 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 2: or want to tell us your betrayal story, email us 470 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,239 Speaker 2: at Betrayalpod at gmail dot com. That's Betrayal Pod at 471 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 2: gmail dot com. 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