WEBVTT - Episode 123 w/ Kenny Burns & Casanova (Part 1) 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:16.120 And it's drink that's motherfucking podcast Mason. He's a legendary 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:18.599 queen's rapper. He's agree is your boy in o R. 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:22.680 He's a Miami hippop pioneer. Up his dj e FN. 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.640 Together they drink it up with some of the biggest players, 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:29.960 you mean, in the most professional, unprofessional podcast and your 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:33.600 number one sorts for drunk fast drinks. Motherfucking every day 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:36.800 is New Year's Eve. That's like it's time for drink Champs. 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:46.120 Drink up mother, mother, wouldn't good be hopefully what it 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:48.040 should be? This is your boy in O right. What 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:50.640 up is dj e F And this is drink Champs, 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:58.760 motherfucking happy our Mason Love. It's three chips to the university. 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:05.759 So I bought some expensive red wine. But but we're 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.240 gonna get into some great whiskey talks. But right now, 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:10.920 we have a person who curates hip hop. You have 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:13.800 a person who comes in and gets lifestyle to the brand, 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:16.360 a person who it was I don't want to say 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.160 behind the scenes. I want to say on the scenes. 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:21.319 You know what I'm saying, because there's a lot of 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:23.559 people that's behind the cameras and don't't ever I won't 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:26.200 ever get on camera. He is not a person that 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:28.720 won't ever get on camera. He's working that's on the scenes, 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:31.400 and I think you kindly invented that position. The guy 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.640 has been around. He's worked for the likes of jay Z, 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.039 he works for the lives of Dame Dads, He's worked 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.120 for the lives of Pomp Daddy, and he's the only 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:41.720 person I've seen it was like blussing Crypto Rock and 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.560 Great Goose at one time, and and it was so 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:47.280 crazy to see them them go at it. But if 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.120 you don't know who we're talking about right now, we 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:56.000 got kiddy motherfucking birds. Now. I heard, um you say, 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.360 who gonna open a red wine? That you're like a 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:04.440 lifestyle coch Yeah, lifestyle specialists specialist. Okay, I want to 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:08.600 both Jackson's alright. I thought I was like, go back. 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:10.160 Oh my god, you know what I'm talking about, like 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:14.200 so so thing to speak about going far back because 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.520 I can't as I'm you know, searching your history. So 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:20.320 your history comes from Puff Daddy first, Well, I was 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.680 I'm from d C. And I met Puff first when 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:24.400 I was how are you yeah, when he was at 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.519 Howard I was in high school we've seen a jacket. Yeah, 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.560 we hustlers, you know, trying to figure out Howard was 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:34.160 the thing. You know what I'm saying. DC's a driving world, 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.959 is its own world, its own thing, Go, go music, 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.720 the whole thing. And I saw Puff one night outside 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:42.600 of this club called the Opera, and I was like, 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:44.040 I gotta meet dude. You know what I'm saying. He 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:45.919 gotta know who I am. This is I'm feeling like 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.000 I'm young, I'm I'm doing my thing in the street, 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:49.920 and you know, he's like, come on in the club, 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:51.120 you know what I'm saying. So we went to the 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:53.840 club sixteen years old, seeing what they do, and the 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:55.720 rest is it's kind of history. So we stayed in 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.120 contact throughout, you know, the time, and this time this 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.400 is no arrest, there's no none of that. Well not, 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.839 he's at Howard University. Like I think he was going 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:08.399 back and forth the world. He looked like Jos That's 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.960 what he looked like before he was dealing with the white, 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.760 white and black pallet pallet Jackison army pants with the 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.320 Doc Martin boosts like that looked like that cover. So 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:18.960 he's like, oh, yeah, that's my group. I'm working with this. 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.440 You know he said that, he said that to you 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:26.760 that listen. His energy was ready. And then I'm talking 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:28.920 about he knew where he was going. So Puff was 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.239 going to Howard while he was interning, and he was 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:35.560 going back and forth. That's incredible. I didn't really realize 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:39.640 it was like that something you that that's something, that's 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.760 something that's crazy, because that means you got to see 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:44.760 the grow. Had you ever thought that you would think 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:48.520 that Puff would be like to extint that he's at 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:50.840 You know what, man, I never forget a conversation I 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.760 had with Puff maybe two years three years after that 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:55.800 was in front of Bad Boys Studios. He had a 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.640 studio forty four in New York. It was me, Chuck, 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:01.560 Lou Tuck was a couple of us out there, and 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:05.440 he was talking and he was almost like preaching, right, 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:07.680 you know he has that quality, right, he's almost preaching. 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.960 He's like, I'm not here with you right now, He's like, fuck, 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:16.160 you meant right, I'm hovering him preach. I mean, he 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:20.920 was on something and it was so outlandish and fucking crazy, 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.280 but you believed him. You believe what he had to say. 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.000 And if you think about what he made happen in 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:28.800 the things he did. Mean he was a hype man. 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.120 Poke was a hype man. Poke was a hype man 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.960 that turned into a rapper by default you know I'm 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.680 talking about. But he always had the pivot. He was 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.800 ready to pivot and you know what I'm saying. So 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.920 you gotta respect that hustle. So how so how did 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:45.720 you how did you like make your position in hip hop? 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.880 Because the thing about it is so many people want 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:53.560 to be uh uh the actually front guy. They actually 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.479 want to be the guys that um that want to 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:58.360 be in in front of the camera. It's one of 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:00.799 the reasons why I love the end of you people 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:03.279 like yourself because like I said, you're not only behind 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.320 the scenes, but you're on the scenes. But a lot 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:12.599 of people here let me get a good glass, Let 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.400 me get a good glass. So what I'm trying to 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.359 say is, like, you know, people like you, I like 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.279 to I like to promote your position a little bit 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:22.120 more because you're a guy, like I said, you're you're 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:24.200 you're you're not only behind the scenes, but you're on 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.920 the scenes, and do you curate so many different things? 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.720 But how does the person even get to your position? 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:31.760 Like it is a kid right now, that's from d C, 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:36.400 that's from New Yorker, from Miami. And they want to 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.840 They don't want to be um, they don't want to 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.120 be on camera, you know what I'm saying. But they 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.560 got something to offer, and they got something of how 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.000 how do you create your position? So for me, man, 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.159 it was about you know, I never could rap, I 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.000 never could sing, but I always you know, I was 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.440 a hustler. And back in the day, all rappers and 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:55.560 singers wanted to be around hustlers and they wanted to 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.240 be a part of that life. And you know, I'm 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.240 talking about the women and things that came with it, 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:03.280 and so transition was identifying another hustle. You know, I 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:06.040 was just having a conversation I'm speaking in Baltimore or 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.039 Saturday to you know, how to beat the trap. The 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.680 trap is thinking it's only one way to get it. 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:15.080 The trap is what you're taught and not doing research 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:16.960 on your own, trying to learn other things. So what 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.159 I would tell a young and trying to figure it out, 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.040 trying to make it, is like, look, if you can 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.159 hustle one thing, you can hustle another. And I really 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.800 didn't know what I was doing. You know what I'm saying, 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.239 a lot of times people tell you God or dange 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.720 your steps. He puts you know in your life what 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:34.200 you suppose I have, And that's truely to to you know, 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:35.760 true to fact with me, you know what I'm saying, 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.800 Like I just kept moving forward the one thing I 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:42.159 never and that's what people do. They get the scourge. 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.559 They feel like yo, like this is crazy, Like people 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.040 just bugged out. I left all that money with puff recently, 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:48.360 you know what I'm saying. But it's like it ran 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.600 its course. We launched a vote together, you know what 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.599 I mean. Delhi a tequila together. Apple Sharaka's my launch, 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.200 you know what I'm saying. So you know, we did 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:57.920 these things in this time to grow step. But that's 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.200 what life's about. You're not sup to be still, know 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:02.560 what I'm saying. If I wanted to stay in the 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.599 drug dealing mentality and being the streets that was a 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.320 one way, that was a one way street, there wasn't 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.160 no growth in that. But you come into the music benings, 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.640 people like, oh wait, I could tell you certain things 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.240 about your demeanor and your style this than the third 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:18.800 and that's gonna help you propelled to the next level. Okay, boom, 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.840 and then you start realizing, Okay, I have a more 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.320 special gift than just you know, people like my ability 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.200 to deal with people, I could actually market in brand, right, 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.320 So and I and I want to encourage people. Man, 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.000 you might not know what it is you're going to do, 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:35.680 but if you stop, you will never know. Stopping means 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.120 if you pause, if you take a deep breath, and 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.160 somebody else waiting to get in funt of you in line, 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:42.640 you gotta just keep going and it'll all people to 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.480 supposed to be you know what I'm saying, A big 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:47.440 testament to all the people that are gonna be puff Man. 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.000 Like the one thing I always said about Puff and Jay, 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.120 we gotta hold them in high regard we have. We 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.320 have to keep them lifted. Man, there wasn't those jobs 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.960 like this for brothers like me before Puff. It's because 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:58.520 of USS I got to wiggle in the game the 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:00.440 way I did. One year did you start working with 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:06.360 Rocker Wacker Roe Ryan? I was the second black that 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.360 I asked sax with that Anuel Ryan Kenny. We did 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.720 that deal through rockewaar Um. But I got with I 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:13.560 gave you the fucking movie you was in. We was 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.880 just eating So a C. I was working with Dallas 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.200 Austin and that story was by the way, and Azy 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.440 who worked with with with I'm sorry, Dallas Austin. I 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.360 was working with Dallas Austin and a Z came in 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:31.080 there with this kid named Shut from Uptown the yeah, 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:36.120 the gamest. So he comes Yeah, so he comes in. 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:37.720 You know what I'm saying. They got this whole story. 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:39.839 I'm like, Yo, this ship is crazy, Like you know 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:41.400 what I'm saying. I want to do. And I'm telling 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.120 Dallas Austin he's at Venus with this dude, Kevin Singer, 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:46.199 big dude, you know what I'm saying. But they didn't 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.640 know the story. They ain't really he wasn't Dallas Austin had. 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:54.240 It came to Dallas Austin's office first, but they didn't 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.280 know what to do with it. You're talking about. And 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:00.360 the man Shut from Hall I'm boy as to the 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.160 office to see me through him to Dallas and and 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.200 uh and Kevin's thing like, yo, what I'm telling you? 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:10.720 This is the story the Outbow Niggas involved rich Port. Yeah. Yeah. 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:15.800 So then this company called Free Casting over Yeah, you 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:17.640 know company called Freemar. So long story shot was like, 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:19.400 I know some dudes that could really funk with it, 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:20.920 and I took them to meet dam in them and 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.160 the rest is history. And all I asked Dame for 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.680 was a partner of my and I see this nigga, Yeah, 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:31.000 I think I got I didn't see me and my 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:36.600 wife was just watching it Sunday. So right, what year 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:40.960 was you working? Um? What? Rockefeller? Um? I came in 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:45.040 the buggy. This was okay, So let's start way back now. 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.080 I started wearing with Rockefeller. I said, if the street 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.280 teams were Ray, y'all remember Ray Ray? I said, if 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.880 they're street teams nationally? Was one of the street team guys, 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:58.280 who did we deal with? Did you get paid Western 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:06.120 Union before that? That's ok I'm talking about Rockefeller records. 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:14.040 You're talking about not pay that little bit freeze freeze 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.840 So we play Stree team to Western Union. So but 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:19.520 it was it was a whole thing, man Like there 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.480 was my guys. Clark Kent introduced me to j and Dane. 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.120 I'm talking about five sixty State Street black black of 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:30.400 furniture sucking you know, station Wagon, Honda Core just like 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.760 I'm them days and I was just a young and 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:34.520 because Clark would take me on the road and I 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.439 was the hype man with Clark DJ. Did you ever 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:41.000 see j and Dame separated? Never just keep it Rockefeller 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:44.000 Records because of the split, nobody knows that story. I mean, 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.120 the Ame was starting to do things that was not 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.160 normal than me in our relationship. And I told dam 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:50.920 I said, first time you ever yelled at me like 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.000 you yell at the rest of these niggers, I'm out 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:56.240 of here. But all the ship in the separation, you 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:57.960 know what I'm saying, started happening, and I just didn't 0:10:58.000 --> 0:10:59.840 feel right because I mean, you know what I'm saying 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.680 is bookies, Godfather, Like it was too much history that 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:07.120 I saw that I was a part of to like 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.520 stay in the business that was doinning in anyway. Business 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:12.760 was sucking over when I left, Like what But what 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.240 I'm saying is, um, did you ever see it like 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:19.200 it going this? Like? Even because you know as business partners, 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.800 you know you're seeing you on it's foot of y'all 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:23.480 like going at it, and then you know y'all be 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:27.480 kingding y'all relationships and they just see it just seems 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:32.120 like this relationship is just done though, Like damon ja 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.120 from looking from the outside in my ball because it 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:38.440 seems like everybody's back around Emory and they still big 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.199 um and it's like the only person missing is that 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.079 Common's gonna say this man the egoes of motherfucker, you 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.679 know what I'm saying, Man's problems everything, you know I mean, 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:52.000 And and you built too much together historically, Bill, I'm 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.120 talking about like Sean John came first, but Rocket with 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.319 Towld the Bucking Daughter, you know what I mean, Like 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.760 and even when they tried with Armordale, like they had 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.720 a lot of things that were the new blueprint, you 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:03.680 know I'm talking about. So to see them not be 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.120 able to work that out, it drives me nuts. I 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:12.600 just feel like that they built too much, too much, Yeah, 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:16.800 I mean, I mean, I just I can't believe you know, 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:22.760 um Um just me not seeing that that be around 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.400 and um was in the last of a dying breed. 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.840 There would never be another, there would never be other 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.360 organizations like that, even like when you look at QC 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.360 doing their thing, but Rocket Fellow, you know what I 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.240 mean that that that bad Boy rough Riders, that was 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.719 a whole generational thing. You know what I'm saying, Like 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:43.880 where it's fawns right, let's let's let's pick up T 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:51.959 d E. I think T d E listen everyone else's mistakes, mistakes. 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.280 I just think that this they're the wave there, this 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:56.719 there the moment, and that the t d E q C. 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:58.960 I mean, you got you know what I mean, they're 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.440 really doing To see it feels like top Dog really 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.599 did learn from other people's mistakes. And he stays a 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:07.160 little key, but the way he he stays the way 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:10.640 and just man, he hit hit with scissor hit with Kendrick, 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:12.080 you know what I mean. School Boy had a couple 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:16.439 of hit records and he stays paved the way for them. 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:18.839 You actually just saw the nice postes footage of I 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.640 think it was Jay Rock and Kindrick like early like, what, 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.760 what's your favorite part of the game. My favorite part 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.000 of the game, man is the discovery, man, you know 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:28.719 what I mean, Like, you gotta imagine how we got 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.080 around for social media. Okay, what you mean by discovery 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.080 is always something new, Like people were like when when 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.680 Flex was going on to me Goes and Yadi and 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:38.800 whoever else he was going on. Yeah, I was like, 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:40.959 bro like, are you listening to the melodies like I'm 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.040 listening to the melody because it was reminist of the 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.679 bone with me. If you listen to Cadence and Melody 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.040 and everything they had to offer, I'm like, Yo, these kids, 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.480 is they they in the pocket? You know what I'm 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:52.520 saying that? Can I understand everything they're saying? Do I 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.920 identify with it? I'm not part of the drug culture, 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.080 like you said, part of us like that before us. 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.560 But what you gotta respect and the music, the beats, 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:05.760 the melodies, it's it's it's still melodic, still the best 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:09.640 sing songy generation then hip hop on a lot of levels. 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.079 You just might not be with the topics of discussion, 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:15.160 but you gotta give them melody. Why I mean is 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.560 it's Drake? Like you know, I mean, I told I 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.040 had this conversation on my show the other day. I'm like, 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:25.120 who's better Drake O Kanye as a rapper? And I said, 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:27.880 Kanye hands down as a rapper. But if you're talking 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.920 about a song, it's straight no. But if you talk 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:35.000 about run, I think Drake's run. I think he for 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:38.800 the last ten years, every second single he had was 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:42.000 on the Billboard. I mean every damn one of them. Like, 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.480 but he wrote money. Nobody goes out on a limb 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.800 like Kanye. Kanye is the most and he's the most important, 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:50.440 goes out on a limb. Okay, but he'll risk it all. 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:54.840 But no, k to be creative, to be creative, to 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.320 push the envelope. He'll risk it all, risk it all. 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.520 And they had this Avengers thing. I know, everybody saw 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:04.800 that show Adventures and I'm looking at the Avenger. They no, 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.520 but that's what I see. What I'm saying, like, how 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.080 you going to have an avengace? You had, you had Kanye, 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.360 you had j on the side in the corner. Now 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.920 and then I'm like, bro, where's buff He don't wrap. 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.440 I'm like, you don't have to wrap. He's hip hop. 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.200 But my point is it's like that's what needs to have. 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.840 There's no order in the game. I feel like, to 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.360 your point about the TVs and the QCs, the ones 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.600 that are doing it right, and then even the ones 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:31.520 that came before them, it was all in the game. 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.760 There was a certain level of respect and a certain 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:38.360 level level of appreciation. You gotta like, what the motherfucker 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.280 I ain't gotta like stir fry that ship in the club. 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.400 I'm not saying, but you know what I'm saying. Like, 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.640 but and so that's why I try to, you know, 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:52.520 tell my respect exactly because hip hop used to be respectful. 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.080 You would battle the ship out. And that's your point 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.760 about me and Puff. We don't have known blow up. No, 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:58.600 I love you know what I'm saying, But we still 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:00.480 be there for each other. On the time, watched you 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.400 in the Breakfast Club. So I recently I saw I 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:04.960 went back and pulled up the thing, but I also 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.720 heard what you said on the Breafast Club. He was like, yo, 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.440 you know it was kind of not kind of your fault, 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.000 but it was like, you know, you had a great 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.840 goose um ads in front of Justice. I was. I 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.600 was like wow, and I remember that, but I didn't 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.040 know it was you at the time and I was 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.720 being holding the bottles so and I'm like, but this 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:28.200 is this is something what your mentor and you know what, man, 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.880 that's what we were used to do. You gotta describe 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.640 for these young kids that how is that like you know, 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.800 you you you you you worked with this guy and 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:38.720 then you out on your own and you actually with 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:43.880 a competing brandy and he comes to your town. Remember 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:48.040 you you actually went set up in Atlanta when whenever 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.600 things wasn't going right or going maybe they were going 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:52.920 right for you. But you went to Atlanta, you set 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.320 it up and he comes to your market. Compound is 0:16:55.360 --> 0:17:00.520 the name of And you didn't then what this great 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.480 gous bottle. And I can't hear what then you're saying, 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.160 but I know it. It It ain't cool whatever you're saying, 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:08.800 and I know whatever he's saying back. But yeah, so 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.399 so growing up, like I said, I met him at 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.120 sixteen and being in the streets, you know, you want 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.200 to you want to figure some some something else out, 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.280 like if you really want some something in life, you know. 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.280 I mean I looked at him as that mules, you 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:22.320 know what I'm saying. And there were several things like 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.160 leading up to that, like I brought the big back 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:25.960 Mac thing to Atlanta, you know what I'm saying, to 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:27.919 the warehouse when I was in college. And you know 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:29.880 they got when you're saying big Mac people, he's talking 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.680 about the Biggie Smalls and Craig maim One of the 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.000 biggest pressures Craig mack and will get to a little 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.080 bit of that later. So he comes to Atlanta, and 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.040 you know, all of a sudden, I see Gucci Mark 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.440 Pitts getting drugged down the steps and it's a big 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.560 gass thing about to happen in the Wolf and everybody 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:48.040 about to join. I run over. I'm like security, Yeah, 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.040 Mark Pitts, you gotta fight with the security. So I'm running. 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.719 That drawn was on the turntable, I'm on the legendary year. 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:56.879 So I'm fun with people that don't know. Mark Pitts 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:01.080 is biggiest manager, the one of the biggest exact managers 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:05.199 right now. Miguel's got me that Miguel Christmas Chris Brown's 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.080 projects as well. So but my point is I'm running. 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.720 I'm like, yo, Chill, pay the dude. You go through 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.560 the back door. These from New York. Nig is about 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:14.919 to stomp you out, like chill. So Puff comes, Oh, 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.640 He's like, Yo, what the fun? You know how Puff 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.120 used to be Wow? And so all of a sudden 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:23.359 he says to the club, now, mind you just freaking 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:27.240 nick my nigga. You understand me. It's freaking nick my nigga, 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.160 Like this is my money, I'm sucking n eighteen years old, 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.200 you're my I got big knacking this motherfucker Like how 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.159 So all of a sudden, I go outside and I 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:40.679 just had a Ford Explorer Mickey Thompson's new grill. The 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.359 whole grill smashed out, the bear k down and the 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:45.840 rest is history. Can google that. But from that time, 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.200 like I'm like, yo, I'm gonna see you know, I 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.440 want to see dude, Like I go to New York 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.080 New Music Seminaro last year that and I'm looking for 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:55.159 like I want my money, you come to look for me. 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:57.560 I mean, we went through things, you know what I'm saying. 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.920 But the point was I was hurt, but was You're 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:05.320 my idol. You're like David Goliath type. But it was 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.280 always a big brother thing, you know because even when 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:09.879 the whole thing happened with the car and I went 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:11.600 to New York and all that, the whole thing ended up. 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:13.639 Man were black men out here, god By you know, 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:17.040 Puff got a real magical ability to Jedi mind trick 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.800 you out of what you're talking about. So we get 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:21.720 into the good space, you know. And over the years, 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.000 like I signed a girl group dream to Puff. That 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:25.480 was my group, you know what I'm saying. So we 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:27.960 was always in and out of business, you know what 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:30.679 I'm saying. But by the time it comes to the 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:35.040 Great Goose, you know Sarack wars right, it was like, 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.320 all right, I gotta show my power because that's what 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.159 hip hop was. If you're the best, you know what 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:42.359 I'm saying, You're gonna show that you the best. You 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:44.600 know what I'm saying. And I he want sent new 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.560 to that was your campaign again that they were showing videos. 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.200