Speaker 1: So for this one, if we're looking for a cover provider,
Speaker 1: somebody would say, hey, why don't we get Elon Musk right,
Speaker 1: he can cover it. And somebody would say, yeah, can
Speaker 1: you keep him quiet? And then we'd all like sit
Speaker 1: and look at each other, go, shit, that's not good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's It'll be tweeted immediately.
Speaker 3: It's like, right, right, maybe Trump would keep it secret.
Speaker 4: I'm John Cipher and I'm Jerry O'Shea. I served in
Speaker 4: the CIA's Clandestine Service for twenty eight years, living undercover
Speaker 4: all around the world.
Speaker 1: And in my thirty three years with the CIA, I
Speaker 1: served in Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Middle East.
Speaker 4: Although we don't usually look at it this way, we
Speaker 4: created conspiracies.
Speaker 1: In our operations. He got people to believe things that
Speaker 1: weren't true.
Speaker 4: Now we're investigating the conspiracy theories we see in the
Speaker 4: news almost every day.
Speaker 1: We'll break them down for you to determine whether they
Speaker 1: could be real or whether we're being manipulated.
Speaker 4: Welcome to Mission Implausible.
Speaker 1: So, Comrade Cipher, how are you today? And I have
Speaker 1: a question for you. After thirty years of spending time
Speaker 1: fighting the Soviets and the Russians, who are worse the
Speaker 1: Russians of the Soviets.
Speaker 4: First of all, don't call me comrade.
Speaker 1: I lived there.
Speaker 4: I know what that means. And it depends whether you're
Speaker 4: talking about the Russian people or whatever, but in general
Speaker 4: they're the same. That's the problem with that stuff is
Speaker 4: that he's just transferred the KGB culture to the new
Speaker 4: Russian society, and until they get past that, they've never
Speaker 4: really gotten past the Soviet days, is my take. I
Speaker 4: think what I'm going to talk about today is the
Speaker 4: thing that's commonly been referred to as the Jewish space
Speaker 4: laser stories. Well, this is a Marjorie Taylor Green, a congresswoman,
Speaker 4: sort of conspiracy who and she knows she was elected
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty is sort of part of the mega
Speaker 4: group of people, and was a conspiracy theorist herself. So
Speaker 4: she believed in the QAnon theory and nine to eleven
Speaker 4: hoaxes and Satanic blood sacrifices and all these kind of things.
Speaker 1: She was with the Tantric sex guru for a while, and.
Speaker 4: Sex grew is one thing Tantric sex guru.
Speaker 5: Tantric is a Hindu sex practice, and according to serious
Speaker 5: media reports, the guy she was having an affair with
Speaker 5: was polyamorous, tantric sex guru and he now offers codo
Speaker 5: classes on his commune.
Speaker 4: By the way, okay, so you got tantrik. No, you're
Speaker 4: just threw in polyantric. What's that? And for you guys
Speaker 4: and listen, Jery does this all the time, Like when
Speaker 4: we're doing our business talkue, he always throws in these
Speaker 4: big words.
Speaker 1: I'm a closetic, sescopadelianist. These are big words polyamory, someone
Speaker 1: who is not monogamous. Like some agency officers have been involved,
Speaker 1: and I could think of this, this is not a conspiracy.
Speaker 1: We actually had I know of an officer who had
Speaker 1: two different whys and two different countries. This is back
Speaker 1: in the sixties. But he pulled that off until he died.
Speaker 1: It was one of the greatest operations, one of the
Speaker 1: greatest conspiracies, because neither wife knew about the.
Speaker 4: Other, which caused a problem for people who then had
Speaker 4: to figure out who gets pensions and who gets paid
Speaker 4: and all that type of thing.
Speaker 1: They did, and the two wives actually fought over who
Speaker 1: gets the body. And since I'm on it, let's go
Speaker 1: into it just for a second. On CIA. So when
Speaker 1: I was in again served a time in Africa, there
Speaker 1: was a Russian disinformation program called Operation Infecsion, which was
Speaker 1: a conspiracy to create a conspiracy theory to blame AIDS
Speaker 1: either on the CIA or the US government, and in
Speaker 1: Central Africa that caused the deaths of tens, if not
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people, because part of the conspiracy
Speaker 1: was that AIDS was created by the CIA to kill
Speaker 1: Africans and there was nothing they can do about it.
Speaker 1: And I remember talking to to you know, Zimbabwean officials
Speaker 1: who were like, you, guys really shouldn't have done that,
Speaker 1: but it's okay. It was like, we didn't do it.
Speaker 1: And yet if you think about it, somewhere in Moscow,
Speaker 1: thirty guys did come into a room the door, pull
Speaker 1: out pens and have a meeting on like, how are
Speaker 1: we going to create this conspiracy theory?
Speaker 4: But it is indeed true that the KGB created a
Speaker 4: false story from scratch. And so they created the story
Speaker 4: that the Pentagon and the CIA created the AIDS of
Speaker 4: virus as a means to keep down what was then
Speaker 4: called the Third World. And what they did to do
Speaker 4: that is they use some sources they had in India
Speaker 4: in the journalism, newspaper, business and put out this false story.
Speaker 1: And so it's the same thing the Jewish space laser canard. Now,
Speaker 1: if you want to look at the individual pieces, I
Speaker 1: think we can certainly do that, and I'd be up
Speaker 1: for it. But at the end of the day, if
Speaker 1: the question is is there a Jewish space laser and
Speaker 1: how would we build it a secret? And it would
Speaker 1: I guess her point was it's a secret, and she
Speaker 1: was revealing this secret. So if we were to do this,
Speaker 1: how would we build a secret space laser?
Speaker 4: But let's talk to people who understand whether, in fact,
Speaker 4: are there things that are set up today that could
Speaker 4: have ramifications and problems that we don't foresee.
Speaker 1: I do have a friend in Space Force, and there
Speaker 1: is concern that our opponents and there's only basically two
Speaker 1: of them who are launching satellites, but are launching killer
Speaker 1: satellites with laser beams to disable our satellites. It makes
Speaker 1: a lot more sense just to have a killer satele
Speaker 1: a kamakaze satellite. But laser beams from satellites is not
Speaker 1: just our things.
Speaker 4: There's anti satellite technology. There can be missiles that are
Speaker 4: sent like we used to have you know, you take
Speaker 4: F sixteen or fifteens and fly straight up in the air,
Speaker 4: up high, and then launch some sort of missile to
Speaker 4: aim it's say a Chinese satellite. So in a case
Speaker 4: of war, different organization will try to shoot down the
Speaker 4: other satellites because that's their eyes and ears, right. And
Speaker 4: there's a US government intelligence community agency called the NRO,
Speaker 4: a National Reconnaissance Office who's in charge of planning, buying,
Speaker 4: and placing our satellites, cooperation with NASA and part defense
Speaker 4: and everything else.
Speaker 1: We do launch satellites, and we don't tell people what
Speaker 1: they're about, So there's some of this is going to
Speaker 1: remain secret. And when anything is a secret, people love
Speaker 1: to talk about it.
Speaker 4: All right, Jerry, that's enough boutonage. I just learned that
Speaker 4: word from Jerry. Today, it's time to introduce today's guest.
Speaker 1: So today we'd like to welcome Mike Rothchild. Good to
Speaker 1: hear you here, journalist, author bon vivant of conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1: What else, Mike, Wow?
Speaker 2: Anything French feels like an upgrade for me.
Speaker 6: I've been studying the world of conspiracy theories for well
Speaker 6: over ten years now, and my interest in them goes
Speaker 6: back much farther than that to the old Art Bell
Speaker 6: Coast to Coast AM radio show. But of course in
Speaker 6: those days it was UFOs and the Face on Mars
Speaker 6: and maybe fluoride, you know, maybe you got some crank
Speaker 6: calling in about a militia or something. And now it's
Speaker 6: just everybody and everybody's aunt, everybody's grandma believes that the
Speaker 6: vaccine is or the election was stolen, or the deep
Speaker 6: State runs the world through their central banks, and was it. Well,
Speaker 6: that's the subject of one of my next books. In
Speaker 6: my next book is kind of where that idea comes from.
Speaker 6: I wrote the book in twenty twenty one called The
Speaker 6: Storm Is Upon Us, How QAnon became a movement, cult
Speaker 6: and conspiracy theory of everything studying the QAnon movement. My
Speaker 6: book coming out in September is called Jewish Space Lasers,
Speaker 6: The Rothschilds and two hundred Years of Conspiracy Theories. This
Speaker 6: is a good time to say I'm not related to
Speaker 6: the Rothschild banking family. The actual Rothschilds don't discuss any
Speaker 6: of this, which is one of the initial obstacles I
Speaker 6: had in writing the book.
Speaker 4: Can you just sort of explain to us what that
Speaker 4: belief or conspiracy.
Speaker 6: Is sure, and it's actually a little bit more complicated
Speaker 6: than you might initially expect. So, you know, the title
Speaker 6: of the book is Jewish Space Lasers, based on this
Speaker 6: Facebook post by Marjorie Taylor Green. Well, one of the
Speaker 6: first things I realized was she never uses that phrase.
Speaker 6: She doesn't even use the word Jewish in this Facebook post. Now,
Speaker 6: this Facebook post is crazy. It is like solar generators
Speaker 6: and Pacific Gas and Electric and blue beams emanating from
Speaker 6: the forests, and oh, isn't it weird? Jerry Brown's wife
Speaker 6: owns forest lamb blah blah blah blah blah. So this
Speaker 6: Spacebook post by Marjorie Taylor Green is specifically about the
Speaker 6: California wildfires in twenty eighteen, and it's how one of
Speaker 6: the board members of PG and E in Pacific Acid Electric,
Speaker 6: where you know, whose transformer sparked this horrible fire. It
Speaker 6: was also an investment banker rothstyled ink. And it's these
Speaker 6: typical conspiracy theory. Isn't it interesting? Why is no one
Speaker 6: talking about this? Well, it's not actually that interesting. PG
Speaker 6: and e's entire board got fired. You know, Gavin Newsom
Speaker 6: came in and basically just clean house. They went bankrupt.
Speaker 6: There's no indication that any of this has any relation
Speaker 6: to anything. I mean, we really know what started that fire.
Speaker 6: But there is a tradition in these communities of forest
Speaker 6: fires are not a result of climate change. It's space
Speaker 6: lasers directed energy weapons. So there are many, many other
Speaker 6: theories that claim that satellite fire laser beams will start
Speaker 6: these fires. And of course the evidence is that, well,
Speaker 6: it burned one house, but it didn't burn the house
Speaker 6: next to it, and so only targeting could be that specific.
Speaker 6: And well, the trees didn't burn down, but like the
Speaker 6: houses burned down, so they're clearly tree huggers. And this
Speaker 6: is a fundamental misunderstanding of how fire works. And of
Speaker 6: course you get this a lot in conspiracy. That's just
Speaker 6: the misunderstandings of basic tenets of light. You find this
Speaker 6: with central banking. People who think the rothschilds own one
Speaker 6: hundred and eighty central banks don't understand how central banking works.
Speaker 1: People who think that.
Speaker 6: Laser beams are starting forest fires don't understand fire is
Speaker 6: extremely unpredictable, can burn down one house and not touch
Speaker 6: another house. Embers can go flying in a million different directions.
Speaker 6: Trees don't burn down or explode because they're full of water.
Speaker 6: It's just like basic, like fifth grade science stuff. But
Speaker 6: the people just are so desperate to believe that there's
Speaker 6: a war going on between good and evil and our
Speaker 6: forests are the battleground, that they will completely suspend any
Speaker 6: ability to think beyond their own conspiracies.
Speaker 1: So people are talking a lot about Marjorie Taylor Green's message,
Speaker 1: but I think we need to look this like Dog's
Speaker 1: breakfast straight in the eye, right, sort of to mixed metaphors.
Speaker 1: And so now to do an actual dramatic reading of
Speaker 1: the Facebook posts from Marjorie Taylor Green, we have our
Speaker 1: favorite actress, Aaron Hayes.
Speaker 7: As there are now over seventy people confirmed dead in
Speaker 7: over one thousand missing. The fires in California are a
Speaker 7: horrific tragedy. I'm praying for all involved. I'm posting this
Speaker 7: in speculation because there are too many coincidences to ignore,
Speaker 7: and just putting it out there from some research I've
Speaker 7: done stemming from my curiosity over PG and E stocks,
Speaker 7: which tanked all week then rallied Thursday night after California
Speaker 7: official announced that they would not let pgene fail. I
Speaker 7: find it very interesting that Roger Kimmel, on the board
Speaker 7: of directors of PG and E, is also vice chairman
Speaker 7: of Rothschild Incorporated, International investment banking firm. I also find
Speaker 7: it interesting the long history of financial contributions that PG
Speaker 7: and E has made to Jerry Brown over the years
Speaker 7: and millions spent in lobbying. What a coincidence it must
Speaker 7: be that Governor Brown signed a bill in September twenty
Speaker 7: eighteen protecting PG and E and allowing PG and E
Speaker 7: to pass off its cost of fire responsibility to its
Speaker 7: customers in rakehikes and through bonds. It also must be
Speaker 7: just a coincidence that the fires are burning in the
Speaker 7: same projected areas that the seventy seven billion dollars high
Speaker 7: speed rail project is to be built, which also happens
Speaker 7: to be governor pet project. And what are the odds
Speaker 7: that Feinstein's has been Richard Bloom is the contractor to
Speaker 7: the rail project. Geez, with that much money, we could
Speaker 7: build three US southern border walls. Then, oddly, there are
Speaker 7: all these people who have said they saw what looked
Speaker 7: like lasers or blue beams of light causing the fires,
Speaker 7: and pictures and videos I don't know anything about that,
Speaker 7: but I do find it really curious Pgenie's partnership with
Speaker 7: solayerin on space solar generators starting in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 7: They announced the launch into space in March twenty eighteen,
Speaker 7: and maybe even put them up before that. Space solar
Speaker 7: generators collect the Sun's energy and then beam it back
Speaker 7: to Earth to a transmitter to convert electricity. The idea
Speaker 7: is clean energy to replace colon oil. If they're beaming
Speaker 7: the Sun's energy back to Earth, I'm sure they wouldn't
Speaker 7: ever miss a transmitter receiving station, right, I mean, mistakes
Speaker 7: are never made when anything new is invented. What would
Speaker 7: that look like anyway? M M A laser beam or
Speaker 7: light beam coming down to Earth. I guess could that
Speaker 7: cause a fire?
Speaker 8: Hmm?
Speaker 7: I don't know. I hope not. That wouldn't look so
Speaker 7: good for PG and E Rothschild Incorporated, Seleran or Jerry Brown,
Speaker 7: who sure does seem fond of PG and E. Good
Speaker 7: thing for selearin that Michael Peeve is on their board
Speaker 7: since he is a former president of California Public Utilities Commission,
Speaker 7: California's most powerful energy regulatory agency. Great connections right there. Also,
Speaker 7: I will say, whoever was able to buy that PG
Speaker 7: and E stock at the bottom before that announcement was
Speaker 7: made when stocks rallied sure did well on their investment.
Speaker 7: Wonder how you get privy to that kind of info,
Speaker 7: Chin scratching a mog. You must have to know somebody, right, hmm.
Speaker 7: Seems like there's a lot of connected people in this crowd.
Speaker 7: And with these space solar generators, I really hope they
Speaker 7: have very good aim beaming the Sun's power down to er.
Speaker 7: But what do I know? I just like to read
Speaker 7: a lot shrugging the money too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have to say, though, there's more words there
Speaker 4: than I would have expected, you know, rather than just
Speaker 4: spitting some stupid thing out, she tries to make it
Speaker 4: sound like there's something there that there's no to this.
Speaker 4: Then I think we believe there was.
Speaker 1: It's not bumper sticker stupid. It's like Gettysburg address stupid. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 4: We got to take a break now and we'll be
Speaker 4: back with Mike Rothschild in just a minute.
Speaker 1: She didn't mean to launch the Jewish conspiracy theory when
Speaker 1: she wrote it, did she? I mean it was it
Speaker 1: was just sort of this is something that was found
Speaker 1: expost victom.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, no she I mean when she posted this
Speaker 6: on Facebook, nobody knew who she was. She was just
Speaker 6: some CrossFit lady. She didn't even become a politician until
Speaker 6: she ran in the Georgia house race in twenty twenty.
Speaker 6: Nobody knew who she was at that time. There was
Speaker 6: no reason for anybody to think anything about this post.
Speaker 1: She clearly got this from somewhere. Did she just make
Speaker 1: this up or what was her source material for this?
Speaker 6: I don't know what her specific source material was. I'm
Speaker 6: not sure if that's really knowable. There were a lot
Speaker 6: of conspiracy theories going around about the fire, and you've
Speaker 6: seen this before. It's kind of a typical thing where
Speaker 6: somebody will take a picture of a fire and then
Speaker 6: there's like a weird shaft of light and they go, oh,
Speaker 6: that's the laser beam, that's the deep state, that's the
Speaker 6: directed energy weapon.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: The space based solar Generators. That was a real company.
Speaker 6: It's called Solaren. They were actually working on a project,
Speaker 6: i think, with PG and E to launch one of
Speaker 6: these satellites that would be able to transmit power. They
Speaker 6: never launched it. They couldn't get the funding for it.
Speaker 6: So taking something that there is a small core of
Speaker 6: truth to it and loading it down with all of
Speaker 6: these ridiculous, irrelevant, unprovable details.
Speaker 4: What is the reality. Is there a possibility that satellite
Speaker 4: that directs energy back to Earth that's supposed to be
Speaker 4: captured in some fashion could cause a fire? Is that possible?
Speaker 6: I don't know that it can cause a fire, because
Speaker 6: I don't think it works on lasers. I think it
Speaker 6: works on radio waves. It's still very theoretical. And of
Speaker 6: course this satellite never launched. The most likely thing is
Speaker 6: that she just got it from somebody who got it
Speaker 6: from somebody, probably on Reddit or Twitter or somebody's Facebook post.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's the old chain letters, you know, or
Speaker 6: the chain emails, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Forward forward, forward, forward forward.
Speaker 6: My aunt saw a rocket launch and blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: She was a qan on person before she even talked
Speaker 4: about the rothschild space lasers. Is there any connection between
Speaker 4: them other than someone who wants to see conspiracies?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's really just somebody who is so into that
Speaker 6: mindset that if you believe one, you're going to believe
Speaker 6: more than one. Her post was twenty eighteen summer twenty eighteen,
Speaker 6: and it wasn't discovered until January twenty one. But she
Speaker 6: was really into that, And there's all kinds of other
Speaker 6: posts where she's talking about Islamophobic conspiracy theories, anti Semitic
Speaker 6: conspiracy theories. She's a nine to eleven truther. She's a
Speaker 6: big pharma truther. So there's no surprise. There's no reason
Speaker 6: why it wouldn't throw in a space laser to that,
Speaker 6: because why not. It's not like the barrier to entry
Speaker 6: for belief is particularly high.
Speaker 4: Jerry and I have lived in countries that regularly believe
Speaker 4: things we In fact, we've dealt with professionals and other
Speaker 4: security services who have these crazy beliefs about what they
Speaker 4: think we're up to or we have done. There's got
Speaker 4: to be something that makes this something that's comfortable for people.
Speaker 6: I mean, conspiracy theories have existed since the very beginning.
Speaker 6: We are hardwired to see danger in things we don't understand,
Speaker 6: and to see patterns and things that seem random. Go
Speaker 6: back to the Great Fire of Rome, there were people
Speaker 6: watching the fire going oh Nero did this to consolidate
Speaker 6: his power to get rid of his enemies or whatever
Speaker 6: it is.
Speaker 1: Although Nero blame the Christians for that, right, they were
Speaker 1: the Jews of the time.
Speaker 3: Right exactly.
Speaker 6: So there's always going to be a need to blame
Speaker 6: somebody else for something that you don't quite understand. And
Speaker 6: conspiracy theories have an international flavor. Everybody believes something weird
Speaker 6: that can't prove and sometimes it curdles into conspiracy, and
Speaker 6: sometimes it curdles into hate. You know, for Jewish space lasers,
Speaker 6: I watched and read a number of media sources from
Speaker 6: countries that don't even have Jewish populations that blame the
Speaker 6: Rothschilds for things. There is quite a bit of anti
Speaker 6: Semitism in Japan and China.
Speaker 1: So specifically though, on Jewish space lasers, who's now behind this,
Speaker 1: who's pushing it? And why do you think that is?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 6: For the Marjorie Taylor green theory, specifically, it was done
Speaker 6: to cleared forest land for a high speed rail boondoggle.
Speaker 6: And you know, Jerry Brown is supposedly involved, Diane Feinstein
Speaker 6: is supposedly involved. It is of course a vast conspiracy,
Speaker 6: but it's all done to further the green agenda. The
Speaker 6: environmentalist agenda done through the destruction of the environment, ironically is.
Speaker 4: This something that has started other fires? Why just the
Speaker 4: California fire? Are there other things that have happened because
Speaker 4: of these lasers?
Speaker 6: Yeah, there are specifically these theories about the California fires,
Speaker 6: but I think anytime you get a large scale forest fire,
Speaker 6: and of course California's had this huge problem over the
Speaker 6: last ten or fifteen years of these constant wildfires, but
Speaker 6: I've seen things even about the Canada wildfires of this summer.
Speaker 6: You also have a general subset of kind of weather
Speaker 6: control theories. So you have a lot of theories that
Speaker 6: they are doing cloud seeding. You have theories that the
Speaker 6: HARP array in Alaska, the High Energy Atmospheric Research Array
Speaker 6: that's used to create earthquakes or lightning storms or nuclear accidents.
Speaker 6: It becomes very unscientific very quickly. There is a subset
Speaker 6: of theories that they are controlling the weather, they are
Speaker 6: faking climate change, using these weapons to manipulate us, and
Speaker 6: the forest fire lasers to become part of a bigger,
Speaker 6: grander plot, because there's always a bigger grander plot behind
Speaker 6: all of these. They're going to put the dissenters in
Speaker 6: the camps. They're going to destroy our cities and destroy
Speaker 6: our golf courses. They're going to take our gas stoves
Speaker 6: away and plow everything into bike lanes. They're terrified that
Speaker 6: their way of life is going to be taken away
Speaker 6: from them. So conspiracy theories in paranoia are always going
Speaker 6: to be part of a free society. So the paranoia
Speaker 6: of a free society is the price we pay for
Speaker 6: a free society. But who we blame, who we scapegoat?
Speaker 6: That does tend to be very cyclical.
Speaker 4: Quick question again, Marjorie Taylor Green. You've see any strategy
Speaker 4: in what she's doing? And has she changed over time?
Speaker 6: She hasn't changed, And you can tell by how she's
Speaker 6: reacted to when these allegations come up. You know, at
Speaker 6: first it was all I didn't know the Rothschilds were Jewish, Okay,
Speaker 6: I mean sure, But then she'll say, well, you know,
Speaker 6: I'm not anti Semitic. I have Jewish friends, the real
Speaker 6: anti semi to the people calling me anti Semitic. Again,
Speaker 6: reversal of who is the actual person with the problem here.
Speaker 4: Luckily we happen to have a clip of her doing
Speaker 4: just that. This is your boss store, you wonder your name?
Speaker 9: Yeah, what's the time you you're talking about the Rothschild family,
Speaker 9: which has been at the center of anti Semitic conspiracy.
Speaker 3: I have I did not in nineteenth century.
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 6: I'm telling you I very much, what is this twenty
Speaker 6: twenty etenen Okay, regular american never been in politics, could
Speaker 6: not even have told you.
Speaker 1: Most people and back in politics or families names don't
Speaker 1: know their ba.
Speaker 9: Now that you do know that, now that you're a
Speaker 9: member of Congress, and now that you've been told.
Speaker 2: People don't care.
Speaker 9: Well an anti Semitism is on the rise in alarming
Speaker 9: anti semetery.
Speaker 3: You're not You're mixing two things together and you're.
Speaker 7: Choosing me of something Kim I did not do, and.
Speaker 6: Then you're trying to blame me for anti semitary You
Speaker 6: are such a liar. Do you need to stop now?
Speaker 6: In terms of is there a strategy with this? Does
Speaker 6: she put any thought behind this? There is a I
Speaker 6: think a misguided belief that she's just stupid, that she
Speaker 6: has no idea what she's doing. I don't think that's
Speaker 6: true at all.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 6: I think she's uneducated and incurious person. I don't think
Speaker 6: she has a super long reading list, But I don't
Speaker 6: think she's dumb at all. I think she's very savvy
Speaker 6: about social media and she knows what is going to
Speaker 6: get past her out.
Speaker 4: So maybe she learned from that original post which became huge, yes,
Speaker 4: and therefore she realized, oh my goodness, I got a
Speaker 4: following from this, let me double down on.
Speaker 1: This right totally.
Speaker 6: She could have said, well that you know, I didn't
Speaker 6: mean any of that. That was just a dumb thing
Speaker 6: I said. I don't feel that way at all. It
Speaker 6: doesn't represent me. But she's a conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 10: It's not the.
Speaker 6: Quiet backbencher who you know just quietly votes in line.
Speaker 8: With the party.
Speaker 1: It's her.
Speaker 6: It's Lauren Bobert, It's Matt Gates. It's the ones who
Speaker 6: are out there saying that dammeest stuff all the time
Speaker 6: getting attention for it. Attention means votes, means donations, that
Speaker 6: means a bigger role in the party, means a bigger voice.
Speaker 1: So Mike really appreciate you coming by. And now over
Speaker 1: to our producer John Stone, who has some interesting facts
Speaker 1: to force feed us out.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 8: One of the things I did for my research is
Speaker 8: I talked to someone who knows more than me. Is
Speaker 8: a science communicator who has a channel on YouTube, So
Speaker 8: here's my conversation with them.
Speaker 10: My name is Trace de Minguez. I've been a science
Speaker 10: communicator now for a bit over a decade. I make
Speaker 10: YouTube videos, podcasts, television shows about science and education, and
Speaker 10: I have my own YouTube channel called Lunodos of Trace,
Speaker 10: and we recently launched a podcast called That's Absurd. Please elaborate.
Speaker 10: So space lasers, there's been this idea that you can
Speaker 10: fire things in space like a laser, and it hits
Speaker 10: something else and it explodes. Getting things into space is
Speaker 10: quite expensive. Most people do ride sharing where you would
Speaker 10: divide the launch into a bunch of different clients and
Speaker 10: you would hitch a ride together to space. Once it's
Speaker 10: in space, the person responsible or the state responsible for
Speaker 10: launching the thing is responsible for it not breaking other
Speaker 10: things in space and not getting in the way of
Speaker 10: those other things. Then that is all governed by I
Speaker 10: think my favorite named treaty, the Treaty on Principles Governing
Speaker 10: the Activities of States and the Exploration and Use of
Speaker 10: Outer Space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, which
Speaker 10: is just shortened to the Outer Space Treaty. So you
Speaker 10: can't like launch a private satellite that shoots lasers. One
Speaker 10: because we're not allowed to weaponize space. Well actually specifically
Speaker 10: says not nuclear weapons in space. There are weapons in
Speaker 10: space allegedly, although no one is admitted to it. But
Speaker 10: you can't launch lasers into space and then not have
Speaker 10: anyone know about it, because once it's up there, anyone
Speaker 10: can see it, and anyone can tell that it's communicating
Speaker 10: back to the planet, and we know that because of
Speaker 10: the electromagnetic spectrum, which you can't hide from.
Speaker 8: It costs certain amount of money to launch that satellite.
Speaker 1: How much does it cost to build the satellite?
Speaker 10: I mean you're talking probably some of the most expensive
Speaker 10: satellites that we can have, because you need very precise
Speaker 10: targeting systems shooting things from space to Earth. It's really far.
Speaker 10: Lasers don't work that way. Lasers are light energy. They
Speaker 10: can be used to cut things very very close because
Speaker 10: it uses heat energy that builds up in the material.
Speaker 10: But shooting something through a vacuum then into an atmosphere,
Speaker 10: you're going to hit those atoms and those atoms are
Speaker 10: going to start to absorb the energy from that immediately,
Speaker 10: especially if you have it it's such a concentrated point.
Speaker 10: I did look up the most powerful laser in the world.
Speaker 10: It's the Zetawat equivalent Ultra short Pulse laser system, which
Speaker 10: is sort of cheating at acronyms, but it's the ZEUS
Speaker 10: and it produces this extremely powerful pulse of laser, but
Speaker 10: it's only twenty five fempto seconds, which is a quadrillionth
Speaker 10: of a second.
Speaker 8: As I recall, when Reagan was trying to build the
Speaker 8: Star Wars defense program was lasers that would down missiles
Speaker 8: being launched from Russia. The way the satellite lasers would
Speaker 8: work was actually going to be a nuclear explosion in
Speaker 8: space that was create the energy beam that would shoot down.
Speaker 10: It's not the best plan. What I compared it to
Speaker 10: when I was thinking about this is transmission of power,
Speaker 10: like power as in electricity. And recently actually there was
Speaker 10: a successful team that was able to beam energy from
Speaker 10: space to the ground. They did this using microwaves, So
Speaker 10: they installed a ten gigahertz microwave beam about one point
Speaker 10: six kilowatts of power. That is a ridiculously low amount
Speaker 10: relative to what you would need to damage somebody with
Speaker 10: a laser. I think you can buy kilowatt lasers on Amazon,
Speaker 10: so it's not a lot of power.
Speaker 8: Well, thank you for talking with me, Terrace.
Speaker 4: So, John, I know you've done some research on this.
Speaker 8: So the first question I assumed you'd ask me was
Speaker 8: how much it costs to launch a satellite. BaseX charges
Speaker 8: about sixty two million dollars per launch to low Earth orbit,
Speaker 8: which is twelve hundred dollars per pound, So a small
Speaker 8: satellite could be as cheap as one hundred and fifty
Speaker 8: thousand dollars if you're ride sharing with other satellites. However,
Speaker 8: the kind of satellite we're talking about would not go
Speaker 8: into low Earth orbit. It would have to go into
Speaker 8: geostationary orbit, which is twenty two thousand, three hundred miles,
Speaker 8: and it would be so large that it probably couldn't
Speaker 8: ride share. Long story short, we'd be looking at probably closer.
Speaker 4: To three or four hundred million.
Speaker 3: That's just a launch.
Speaker 8: The most recent military GPS satellites were two hundred and
Speaker 8: fifty million dollars. Each typical weather satellite could be two
Speaker 8: hundred and ninety million dollars. I would say that the
Speaker 8: satellite we're talking about is even more complicated. The closest
Speaker 8: thing to this kind of satellite that actually is in
Speaker 8: development would have gigantic solar arrays collect solar energy converted
Speaker 8: to electricity, beam that electricity to Earth via microwave where
Speaker 8: be converted back into electricity, so used entirely as a
Speaker 8: clean power source. The Department of Energy has been figuring
Speaker 8: out these solar energy satellites and put the figure between
Speaker 8: five hundred million and one billion for a single seven
Speaker 8: So we're.
Speaker 1: Talking real money here, John, We're talking like five to
Speaker 1: ten billion dollars to start a forest fire. By the way,
Speaker 1: this is these satellites are great ideas.
Speaker 8: On March third this year, twenty twenty three, there was
Speaker 8: a successful demonstration of something called Maple microwave array for
Speaker 8: power transfer Low orbit experiment. It was built by cal
Speaker 8: Tech as part of their Space Solar Power project. It
Speaker 8: was very low energy, like Jeb Bush if you were,
Speaker 8: but it worked. It powered two LED lights on Earth.
Speaker 4: So given all of that, John, what is your takeaway
Speaker 4: from this?
Speaker 8: It is a technical near future reality. But it would
Speaker 8: be really really expensive. If you're trying to do this
Speaker 8: to make money, like to clear a path for the
Speaker 8: bullet train, then you have to weigh that against the cost.
Speaker 8: You know, maybe it's not a bad idea. Nineteen seventy eight,
Speaker 8: Superman the Motion Picture had a version of this where
Speaker 8: Lex Luthor was going to create an earthquake so the
Speaker 8: real estate he had bought up on the east side
Speaker 8: of the San Andreas Fault would suddenly be valuable.
Speaker 1: So it's not the craziest idea, but it's up there.
Speaker 4: But it's up Well, thank you, John. That was enlightening,
Speaker 4: And we're going to take a little break and when
Speaker 4: we come back we're going to seek to figure this
Speaker 4: all out with our other producer, Adam Davidson. So now
Speaker 4: we're going to chat with our other producer who also
Speaker 4: doubles as Jerry's pollery amorous tantric sex guru, Adam Davidson.
Speaker 3: This is the one I am the most curious about
Speaker 3: of all the conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2: I am a Jew and the whole idea of Jewish
Speaker 2: space lasers is pretty amazing.
Speaker 11: So you are Jewish, but you're claiming you know nothing
Speaker 11: about this about laser, that's what we call it in Hebrew.
Speaker 11: All right, I have a bunch of questions, all right, okay, okay,
Speaker 11: is the conspiracy really that Jews built a laser put
Speaker 11: it in out of space so they could start forest fires?
Speaker 3: Is that the conspiracy?
Speaker 1: The shortened version of that is, yeah, that the Jews
Speaker 1: have a space laser that they can cause havoc with.
Speaker 4: I assume George Soros has one as well.
Speaker 3: That goes without saying, well, I guess that would be
Speaker 3: a quite like what are the Jews?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Is it a group of Jews?
Speaker 3: Or is it all the Jews? But leaving that aside,
Speaker 3: I still don't understand would that be the way I
Speaker 3: would think? Oh, I know a good.
Speaker 2: Way to start a forest fire.
Speaker 3: But I am asserting to you that I was not involved.
Speaker 3: I have not. All right, let me ask you a
Speaker 3: few questions. Did you find out how much it costs?
Speaker 4: You did? In fact, our other actual hard working producer,
Speaker 4: John Stern, gave us some data.
Speaker 1: You're talking billions. But that's if you do it in
Speaker 1: the normal way. If, however, you do it and the government,
Speaker 1: like we're from the CIA, everything costs more because it
Speaker 1: has to be secret. So if the CIA were to
Speaker 1: do it, I would say it would cost five times
Speaker 1: as much. So let's say I.
Speaker 2: Hired you guys. Let's say I had a billion or
Speaker 2: ten billion, whatever.
Speaker 3: It has to be, And I said, guys, here's the budget,
Speaker 3: walk me through the steps. Not the actual let because
Speaker 3: I know you have zero idea how to actually build
Speaker 3: a laser or even find someone who knows how to
Speaker 3: build a laser. But the clandestine part. Let's say we're
Speaker 3: doing this conspiracy, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Do you have to have a cover story for what
Speaker 1: you're doing our cover story. Let's say it's a weather
Speaker 1: satellite that we're putting up there.
Speaker 4: And so what we would look for probably is a
Speaker 4: company that could provide the cover to be doing something similar,
Speaker 4: so it would hide the fact that the CIA or
Speaker 4: the Jews or whoever was behind the actual I like,
Speaker 4: how you deployment?
Speaker 3: Pretend those are two different groups, okay? And would that
Speaker 3: be an act like an actual company, like we'd go
Speaker 3: to Boeing or would and say hey, can you help
Speaker 3: us out? Or would we create a company either one?
Speaker 4: Well, do you recall this sort of was called the
Speaker 4: Glomar Explorer, which was a ship that was made to
Speaker 4: the cover reason was to explore underwater mining on the
Speaker 4: sea bottom, but in fact it was a ci effort
Speaker 4: to bring up Soviet sub that had sunk to the
Speaker 4: bottom of the Pacific Ocean. So in that process. What
Speaker 4: the CIA did is it went to Howard Hughes, who
Speaker 4: had a private company, so without sort of public investors
Speaker 4: and things. He provided the cover because he was mildly
Speaker 4: insane and billions of dollars that he was interested in
Speaker 4: mining deep sea nodules. And then under that cover, the
Speaker 4: CI built this ship that would go out and then
Speaker 4: bring up this Soviet submarine from three miles deep in
Speaker 4: the ocean.
Speaker 1: And so everything is more complicated, everything's more expensive, and
Speaker 1: very few people can actually know what the actual even
Speaker 1: the people involved in the project don't know what it's
Speaker 1: there for. Because the more people you have who are involved,
Speaker 1: the more likely it is that your real reason, the
Speaker 1: real thing you've got, is going to appear in Marjorie
Speaker 1: Taylor Green's Facebook.
Speaker 3: But that brings up like it goes to my mind.
Speaker 3: So there's all sorts of procurement people who are in
Speaker 3: charge with buying stuff. There's probably I think they call
Speaker 3: it an ERP and enterprise resource planning software systems. You
Speaker 3: actually need to connect the conspiracy with the real world,
Speaker 3: and I would guess if it's Boeing or a company
Speaker 3: like that, you're probably talking about hundreds of people, thousands
Speaker 3: of people who could potentially see it. What's the most
Speaker 3: people you would want to know about it? Like one, two, three?
Speaker 3: Each person exponentially increases the odds of it.
Speaker 1: Right, in reality, it would be thousands would have to
Speaker 1: know what's going on, and they'd all have to be
Speaker 1: willing to keep the secret and not go to the present. Now,
Speaker 1: the secret within the secret within the secret also is
Speaker 1: if you're putting something up that's a space laser, the
Speaker 1: Russians and the Chinese, they're going to be looking really
Speaker 1: closely at this thing. And so maybe if it's a
Speaker 1: weather satellite, it's actually going to have to really be
Speaker 1: a weather satellite that proof can do something else. So
Speaker 1: you're it's going to have to be like sort of
Speaker 1: two satellites in one. So it gets exponentially more difficult
Speaker 1: and more expensive.
Speaker 4: If so, as John mentioned to us, there are people
Speaker 4: exploring the way that satellites might be able to provide
Speaker 4: energy back to the Earth. Right, so they could be
Speaker 4: collecting sun rays to create energy which then could be
Speaker 4: beamed back to Earth to be used as an energy
Speaker 4: on Earth. And so it would have probably the best
Speaker 4: cover for this thing would be mostly true.
Speaker 3: So and it's the are these the steps you guys
Speaker 3: have done conspiracies? Obviously that's the whole freaking point of
Speaker 3: this podcast, Like, are these the steps? And specific examples
Speaker 3: would be great, just especially classified. Just that just adds
Speaker 3: a little free song.
Speaker 1: The thing with with a real conspiracy that separates a
Speaker 1: piercy of your conspiracy, is a real conspiracy is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there are meetings upon meetings upon meetings. People go into
Speaker 1: a boardroom and sit down and pull out a whiteboard
Speaker 1: and go, okay, what have we got to do? And
Speaker 1: then things like what's our budget? And then to be
Speaker 1: quite frank, it's like, yeah, am I going to get
Speaker 1: promoted out of this? Right? I mean? Is this a
Speaker 1: ten year thing? And so you're going to have like
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of people involved in this thing. The
Speaker 1: US government sometimes rarely can keep secrets, right, I mean
Speaker 1: we're discussing some of them.
Speaker 2: Prove it.
Speaker 3: The only way you can prove it is by sharing
Speaker 3: a secret that hasn't been made public.
Speaker 1: So for this one, if we're looking for a cover provider,
Speaker 1: we'd like somebody would say, hey, why don't we get
Speaker 1: Elon Musk, right, he can cover it? And somebody would say, yeah,
Speaker 1: can you keep him quiet, and then we'd all like
Speaker 1: sit and look at each other, go, shit, that's not good.
Speaker 3: That's not good.
Speaker 2: It'll be tweeted immediately. It's like, right, maybe Trump would
Speaker 2: keep it secret.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even the act of asking Elon Musk would you
Speaker 1: do this? Could blow everything right right right.
Speaker 3: But the other piece of it, I'm assuming, like at
Speaker 3: a very base level, and this doesn't require like the
Speaker 3: CIA and conspiracies and all the Jews.
Speaker 2: It's just anything you do.
Speaker 3: There's just sort of an implicit what's the least complicated, easiest,
Speaker 3: cheapest way to do it? Like if I want to
Speaker 3: my wife and I are talking about building a screened
Speaker 3: in porch, like building a screen around our outdoor port.
Speaker 3: I suppose I could try and Jerry rig some satellite
Speaker 3: system that would shoot a screen down to our porch.
Speaker 3: But probably what we'll do is get some quotes, and
Speaker 3: you know, we'll want a good one. We won't just
Speaker 3: go with the cheapest one, but we'll go with the
Speaker 3: one that meets our needs with the least amount of
Speaker 3: extraneous stuff.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 3: That's like a basic part of when human beings do anything.
Speaker 1: What the conspiracy theory mind misses is what it to
Speaker 1: talks about deep state or the government or the Jews.
Speaker 1: The same laws of physics that apply to their life
Speaker 1: apply to everything else as well. What is simplest, what
Speaker 1: is cheapest? Shit doesn't work, People quit, no one can
Speaker 1: keep their mouths shot. Incompetent people get involved.
Speaker 2: You know, look at this podcast loss.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a whole other bucket, which is why would
Speaker 3: you do it? And I don't feel like you're I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna be honest and I don't want to offend you.
Speaker 3: You are not convincing me that this is a good idea,
Speaker 3: that the Jews really focus the kind of energy and
Speaker 3: well literally focus energy, but also spend the time, spend
Speaker 3: the money on this project. You're not convincing me.
Speaker 4: Well, you clearly didn't pay attention. Again to John Stern,
Speaker 4: our excellent producer, when he reminded us of the Superman
Speaker 4: movie where the bad guys forget who I was.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 4: It was this similar sort of thing to cut off
Speaker 4: a part of California so that there would be a
Speaker 4: new coastline that could the people who had How is
Speaker 4: that we're on the east side of the mountains now
Speaker 4: we're the ones that were on the coast and they
Speaker 4: had and we all know that that's what the Jews want,
Speaker 4: is to make themselves even richer.
Speaker 3: I think that is Yeah. When I lived in Baghdad,
Speaker 3: a major rumor was that Jews were coming and buying
Speaker 3: up all the real estate.
Speaker 2: This is true. I swear you would hear this all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 3: You want to live there, And I want to say, like,
Speaker 3: have you been to Tel Aviv? Like, no one is
Speaker 3: leaving this beautiful Mediterranean oceanside, lovely town for Baghdad.
Speaker 2: I'm just telling Baghdad is not.
Speaker 3: No one on earth wants to live in Baghdad who
Speaker 3: isn't from Baghdad.
Speaker 1: I spent a year in Baghdad. I'm telling you. I
Speaker 1: was never tempted to look for retirement property on the tip.
Speaker 2: All right, so I do.
Speaker 3: In the great tradition of conspiracy theories, I have a
Speaker 3: way to justify all of this. The very fact that
Speaker 3: it's so expensive, the very fact that it's so ostentatiously
Speaker 3: absurdly inappropriate to solve any problem, the very that are
Speaker 3: requires so much secrecy is exactly why they would do it.
Speaker 3: The very fact that it makes no sense to do
Speaker 3: it is exactly why.
Speaker 2: They obviously did it.
Speaker 3: It's like when a billionaire buys a painting for one
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars. They're not buying it to tell you, Oh,
Speaker 3: I think this painting for a one hundred million is
Speaker 3: going to be worth one hundred and eighty million in
Speaker 3: a few years. They're buying it to say, I'm so
Speaker 3: friggin rich, I can just lose a hundred million and
Speaker 3: it makes no difference. And isn't that exactly why the
Speaker 3: Jews should build a space laser? Precisely because of all
Speaker 3: the reasons it makes no sense to build a space laser.
Speaker 3: Don't build the Hoover Dam if no one knows you
Speaker 3: built the Hoover Dam. You don't build the pyramids if
Speaker 3: no one knows you built the pyramids. We need it
Speaker 3: to get out, but we need plausible deniability. We need
Speaker 3: a good patsy. Hey, there's this exercise instructor in suburban
Speaker 3: Atlantic who I think we could really work with.
Speaker 4: Have you ever seen a picture of her tantric sex girl?
Speaker 2: I have not.
Speaker 4: I have not surprisingly like Jerry Wow.
Speaker 3: But leaving that aside, I still don't understand. Would that
Speaker 3: be the way I would think? Oh, I know a
Speaker 3: good way to start a forest fire.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think I would just throw a
Speaker 4: match on the ground in the forest myself. I'm just saying, well,
Speaker 4: I hadn't thought of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, book of matches? What would that call? What a
Speaker 1: book of matches cost? These days?
Speaker 4: You usually could pick them up at a restaurant along
Speaker 4: with some mints.
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you, that is that is my
Speaker 3: biggest concern about this, That you used to be able
Speaker 3: to get them everywhere.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm old enough to remember.
Speaker 4: But now maybe that's why this happened, because it was
Speaker 4: so hard to find matches.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, well, and you.
Speaker 4: Do use a lighter. If you try to put it
Speaker 4: down to burn, you burn your thumbs.
Speaker 1: And you know, Adam, what is the difference between a
Speaker 1: hippo and a zippo? What is very heavy and the
Speaker 1: others a little lighter?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I want.
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