1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: So for this one, if we're looking for a cover provider, 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: somebody would say, hey, why don't we get Elon Musk right, 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: he can cover it. And somebody would say, yeah, can 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: you keep him quiet? And then we'd all like sit 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: and look at each other, go, shit, that's not good. 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's It'll be tweeted immediately. 7 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 3: It's like, right, right, maybe Trump would keep it secret. 8 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 4: I'm John Cipher and I'm Jerry O'Shea. I served in 9 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 4: the CIA's Clandestine Service for twenty eight years, living undercover 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 4: all around the world. 11 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: And in my thirty three years with the CIA, I 12 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: served in Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Middle East. 13 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 4: Although we don't usually look at it this way, we 14 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 4: created conspiracies. 15 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: In our operations. He got people to believe things that 16 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: weren't true. 17 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 4: Now we're investigating the conspiracy theories we see in the 18 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 4: news almost every day. 19 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: We'll break them down for you to determine whether they 20 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: could be real or whether we're being manipulated. 21 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 4: Welcome to Mission Implausible. 22 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: So, Comrade Cipher, how are you today? And I have 23 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: a question for you. After thirty years of spending time 24 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: fighting the Soviets and the Russians, who are worse the 25 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: Russians of the Soviets. 26 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 4: First of all, don't call me comrade. 27 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: I lived there. 28 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 4: I know what that means. And it depends whether you're 29 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 4: talking about the Russian people or whatever, but in general 30 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 4: they're the same. That's the problem with that stuff is 31 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 4: that he's just transferred the KGB culture to the new 32 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 4: Russian society, and until they get past that, they've never 33 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 4: really gotten past the Soviet days, is my take. I 34 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 4: think what I'm going to talk about today is the 35 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 4: thing that's commonly been referred to as the Jewish space 36 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 4: laser stories. Well, this is a Marjorie Taylor Green, a congresswoman, 37 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 4: sort of conspiracy who and she knows she was elected 38 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty is sort of part of the mega 39 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 4: group of people, and was a conspiracy theorist herself. So 40 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 4: she believed in the QAnon theory and nine to eleven 41 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 4: hoaxes and Satanic blood sacrifices and all these kind of things. 42 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: She was with the Tantric sex guru for a while, and. 43 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 4: Sex grew is one thing Tantric sex guru. 44 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 5: Tantric is a Hindu sex practice, and according to serious 45 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 5: media reports, the guy she was having an affair with 46 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 5: was polyamorous, tantric sex guru and he now offers codo 47 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 5: classes on his commune. 48 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 4: By the way, okay, so you got tantrik. No, you're 49 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 4: just threw in polyantric. What's that? And for you guys 50 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 4: and listen, Jery does this all the time, Like when 51 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 4: we're doing our business talkue, he always throws in these 52 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 4: big words. 53 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: I'm a closetic, sescopadelianist. These are big words polyamory, someone 54 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: who is not monogamous. Like some agency officers have been involved, 55 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: and I could think of this, this is not a conspiracy. 56 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: We actually had I know of an officer who had 57 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: two different whys and two different countries. This is back 58 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: in the sixties. But he pulled that off until he died. 59 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: It was one of the greatest operations, one of the 60 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: greatest conspiracies, because neither wife knew about the. 61 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 4: Other, which caused a problem for people who then had 62 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 4: to figure out who gets pensions and who gets paid 63 00:02:58,200 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 4: and all that type of thing. 64 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: They did, and the two wives actually fought over who 65 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: gets the body. And since I'm on it, let's go 66 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: into it just for a second. On CIA. So when 67 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: I was in again served a time in Africa, there 68 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: was a Russian disinformation program called Operation Infecsion, which was 69 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: a conspiracy to create a conspiracy theory to blame AIDS 70 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: either on the CIA or the US government, and in 71 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: Central Africa that caused the deaths of tens, if not 72 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people, because part of the conspiracy 73 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: was that AIDS was created by the CIA to kill 74 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: Africans and there was nothing they can do about it. 75 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: And I remember talking to to you know, Zimbabwean officials 76 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: who were like, you, guys really shouldn't have done that, 77 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: but it's okay. It was like, we didn't do it. 78 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: And yet if you think about it, somewhere in Moscow, 79 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: thirty guys did come into a room the door, pull 80 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: out pens and have a meeting on like, how are 81 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: we going to create this conspiracy theory? 82 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 4: But it is indeed true that the KGB created a 83 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 4: false story from scratch. And so they created the story 84 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 4: that the Pentagon and the CIA created the AIDS of 85 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 4: virus as a means to keep down what was then 86 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 4: called the Third World. And what they did to do 87 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 4: that is they use some sources they had in India 88 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 4: in the journalism, newspaper, business and put out this false story. 89 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: And so it's the same thing the Jewish space laser canard. Now, 90 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: if you want to look at the individual pieces, I 91 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: think we can certainly do that, and I'd be up 92 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: for it. But at the end of the day, if 93 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: the question is is there a Jewish space laser and 94 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: how would we build it a secret? And it would 95 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: I guess her point was it's a secret, and she 96 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: was revealing this secret. So if we were to do this, 97 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: how would we build a secret space laser? 98 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,239 Speaker 4: But let's talk to people who understand whether, in fact, 99 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 4: are there things that are set up today that could 100 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 4: have ramifications and problems that we don't foresee. 101 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: I do have a friend in Space Force, and there 102 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: is concern that our opponents and there's only basically two 103 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: of them who are launching satellites, but are launching killer 104 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: satellites with laser beams to disable our satellites. It makes 105 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: a lot more sense just to have a killer satele 106 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: a kamakaze satellite. But laser beams from satellites is not 107 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 1: just our things. 108 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 4: There's anti satellite technology. There can be missiles that are 109 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 4: sent like we used to have you know, you take 110 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 4: F sixteen or fifteens and fly straight up in the air, 111 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 4: up high, and then launch some sort of missile to 112 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 4: aim it's say a Chinese satellite. So in a case 113 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 4: of war, different organization will try to shoot down the 114 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 4: other satellites because that's their eyes and ears, right. And 115 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 4: there's a US government intelligence community agency called the NRO, 116 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 4: a National Reconnaissance Office who's in charge of planning, buying, 117 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 4: and placing our satellites, cooperation with NASA and part defense 118 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 4: and everything else. 119 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: We do launch satellites, and we don't tell people what 120 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: they're about, So there's some of this is going to 121 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: remain secret. And when anything is a secret, people love 122 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: to talk about it. 123 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 4: All right, Jerry, that's enough boutonage. I just learned that 124 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 4: word from Jerry. Today, it's time to introduce today's guest. 125 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: So today we'd like to welcome Mike Rothchild. Good to 126 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: hear you here, journalist, author bon vivant of conspiracy theories. 127 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: What else, Mike, Wow? 128 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: Anything French feels like an upgrade for me. 129 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 6: I've been studying the world of conspiracy theories for well 130 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 6: over ten years now, and my interest in them goes 131 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 6: back much farther than that to the old Art Bell 132 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 6: Coast to Coast AM radio show. But of course in 133 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 6: those days it was UFOs and the Face on Mars 134 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 6: and maybe fluoride, you know, maybe you got some crank 135 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 6: calling in about a militia or something. And now it's 136 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 6: just everybody and everybody's aunt, everybody's grandma believes that the 137 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 6: vaccine is or the election was stolen, or the deep 138 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 6: State runs the world through their central banks, and was it. Well, 139 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 6: that's the subject of one of my next books. In 140 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 6: my next book is kind of where that idea comes from. 141 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 6: I wrote the book in twenty twenty one called The 142 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 6: Storm Is Upon Us, How QAnon became a movement, cult 143 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 6: and conspiracy theory of everything studying the QAnon movement. My 144 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 6: book coming out in September is called Jewish Space Lasers, 145 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 6: The Rothschilds and two hundred Years of Conspiracy Theories. This 146 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 6: is a good time to say I'm not related to 147 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 6: the Rothschild banking family. The actual Rothschilds don't discuss any 148 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 6: of this, which is one of the initial obstacles I 149 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 6: had in writing the book. 150 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 4: Can you just sort of explain to us what that 151 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 4: belief or conspiracy. 152 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 6: Is sure, and it's actually a little bit more complicated 153 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 6: than you might initially expect. So, you know, the title 154 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 6: of the book is Jewish Space Lasers, based on this 155 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 6: Facebook post by Marjorie Taylor Green. Well, one of the 156 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 6: first things I realized was she never uses that phrase. 157 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 6: She doesn't even use the word Jewish in this Facebook post. Now, 158 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 6: this Facebook post is crazy. It is like solar generators 159 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 6: and Pacific Gas and Electric and blue beams emanating from 160 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 6: the forests, and oh, isn't it weird? Jerry Brown's wife 161 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 6: owns forest lamb blah blah blah blah blah. So this 162 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 6: Spacebook post by Marjorie Taylor Green is specifically about the 163 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 6: California wildfires in twenty eighteen, and it's how one of 164 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 6: the board members of PG and E in Pacific Acid Electric, 165 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 6: where you know, whose transformer sparked this horrible fire. It 166 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 6: was also an investment banker rothstyled ink. And it's these 167 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 6: typical conspiracy theory. Isn't it interesting? Why is no one 168 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 6: talking about this? Well, it's not actually that interesting. PG 169 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 6: and e's entire board got fired. You know, Gavin Newsom 170 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 6: came in and basically just clean house. They went bankrupt. 171 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 6: There's no indication that any of this has any relation 172 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 6: to anything. I mean, we really know what started that fire. 173 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 6: But there is a tradition in these communities of forest 174 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 6: fires are not a result of climate change. It's space 175 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 6: lasers directed energy weapons. So there are many, many other 176 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 6: theories that claim that satellite fire laser beams will start 177 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 6: these fires. And of course the evidence is that, well, 178 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 6: it burned one house, but it didn't burn the house 179 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,599 Speaker 6: next to it, and so only targeting could be that specific. 180 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 6: And well, the trees didn't burn down, but like the 181 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 6: houses burned down, so they're clearly tree huggers. And this 182 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 6: is a fundamental misunderstanding of how fire works. And of 183 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 6: course you get this a lot in conspiracy. That's just 184 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 6: the misunderstandings of basic tenets of light. You find this 185 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 6: with central banking. People who think the rothschilds own one 186 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 6: hundred and eighty central banks don't understand how central banking works. 187 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: People who think that. 188 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 6: Laser beams are starting forest fires don't understand fire is 189 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 6: extremely unpredictable, can burn down one house and not touch 190 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 6: another house. Embers can go flying in a million different directions. 191 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 6: Trees don't burn down or explode because they're full of water. 192 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 6: It's just like basic, like fifth grade science stuff. But 193 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 6: the people just are so desperate to believe that there's 194 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 6: a war going on between good and evil and our 195 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 6: forests are the battleground, that they will completely suspend any 196 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 6: ability to think beyond their own conspiracies. 197 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: So people are talking a lot about Marjorie Taylor Green's message, 198 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: but I think we need to look this like Dog's 199 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: breakfast straight in the eye, right, sort of to mixed metaphors. 200 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: And so now to do an actual dramatic reading of 201 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: the Facebook posts from Marjorie Taylor Green, we have our 202 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: favorite actress, Aaron Hayes. 203 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 7: As there are now over seventy people confirmed dead in 204 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 7: over one thousand missing. The fires in California are a 205 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 7: horrific tragedy. I'm praying for all involved. I'm posting this 206 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 7: in speculation because there are too many coincidences to ignore, 207 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 7: and just putting it out there from some research I've 208 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 7: done stemming from my curiosity over PG and E stocks, 209 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 7: which tanked all week then rallied Thursday night after California 210 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 7: official announced that they would not let pgene fail. I 211 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 7: find it very interesting that Roger Kimmel, on the board 212 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 7: of directors of PG and E, is also vice chairman 213 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 7: of Rothschild Incorporated, International investment banking firm. I also find 214 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 7: it interesting the long history of financial contributions that PG 215 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 7: and E has made to Jerry Brown over the years 216 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 7: and millions spent in lobbying. What a coincidence it must 217 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 7: be that Governor Brown signed a bill in September twenty 218 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 7: eighteen protecting PG and E and allowing PG and E 219 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 7: to pass off its cost of fire responsibility to its 220 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 7: customers in rakehikes and through bonds. It also must be 221 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 7: just a coincidence that the fires are burning in the 222 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 7: same projected areas that the seventy seven billion dollars high 223 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 7: speed rail project is to be built, which also happens 224 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 7: to be governor pet project. And what are the odds 225 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 7: that Feinstein's has been Richard Bloom is the contractor to 226 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 7: the rail project. Geez, with that much money, we could 227 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 7: build three US southern border walls. Then, oddly, there are 228 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 7: all these people who have said they saw what looked 229 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 7: like lasers or blue beams of light causing the fires, 230 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 7: and pictures and videos I don't know anything about that, 231 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 7: but I do find it really curious Pgenie's partnership with 232 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 7: solayerin on space solar generators starting in two thousand and nine. 233 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 7: They announced the launch into space in March twenty eighteen, 234 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 7: and maybe even put them up before that. Space solar 235 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 7: generators collect the Sun's energy and then beam it back 236 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 7: to Earth to a transmitter to convert electricity. The idea 237 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 7: is clean energy to replace colon oil. If they're beaming 238 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 7: the Sun's energy back to Earth, I'm sure they wouldn't 239 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 7: ever miss a transmitter receiving station, right, I mean, mistakes 240 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 7: are never made when anything new is invented. What would 241 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 7: that look like anyway? M M A laser beam or 242 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 7: light beam coming down to Earth. I guess could that 243 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 7: cause a fire? 244 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 8: Hmm? 245 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 7: I don't know. I hope not. That wouldn't look so 246 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 7: good for PG and E Rothschild Incorporated, Seleran or Jerry Brown, 247 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 7: who sure does seem fond of PG and E. Good 248 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 7: thing for selearin that Michael Peeve is on their board 249 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 7: since he is a former president of California Public Utilities Commission, 250 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 7: California's most powerful energy regulatory agency. Great connections right there. Also, 251 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 7: I will say, whoever was able to buy that PG 252 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 7: and E stock at the bottom before that announcement was 253 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 7: made when stocks rallied sure did well on their investment. 254 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 7: Wonder how you get privy to that kind of info, 255 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 7: Chin scratching a mog. You must have to know somebody, right, hmm. 256 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 7: Seems like there's a lot of connected people in this crowd. 257 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 7: And with these space solar generators, I really hope they 258 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 7: have very good aim beaming the Sun's power down to er. 259 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 7: But what do I know? I just like to read 260 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 7: a lot shrugging the money too. 261 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I have to say, though, there's more words there 262 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 4: than I would have expected, you know, rather than just 263 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 4: spitting some stupid thing out, she tries to make it 264 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 4: sound like there's something there that there's no to this. 265 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 4: Then I think we believe there was. 266 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: It's not bumper sticker stupid. It's like Gettysburg address stupid. Yeah. 267 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: I agree. 268 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 4: We got to take a break now and we'll be 269 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 4: back with Mike Rothschild in just a minute. 270 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: She didn't mean to launch the Jewish conspiracy theory when 271 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: she wrote it, did she? I mean it was it 272 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: was just sort of this is something that was found 273 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: expost victom. 274 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, no she I mean when she posted this 275 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 6: on Facebook, nobody knew who she was. She was just 276 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 6: some CrossFit lady. She didn't even become a politician until 277 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 6: she ran in the Georgia house race in twenty twenty. 278 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 6: Nobody knew who she was at that time. There was 279 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 6: no reason for anybody to think anything about this post. 280 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: She clearly got this from somewhere. Did she just make 281 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: this up or what was her source material for this? 282 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 6: I don't know what her specific source material was. I'm 283 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 6: not sure if that's really knowable. There were a lot 284 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 6: of conspiracy theories going around about the fire, and you've 285 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 6: seen this before. It's kind of a typical thing where 286 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 6: somebody will take a picture of a fire and then 287 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 6: there's like a weird shaft of light and they go, oh, 288 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 6: that's the laser beam, that's the deep state, that's the 289 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 6: directed energy weapon. 290 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: You know. 291 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 6: The space based solar Generators. That was a real company. 292 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 6: It's called Solaren. They were actually working on a project, 293 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 6: i think, with PG and E to launch one of 294 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 6: these satellites that would be able to transmit power. They 295 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 6: never launched it. They couldn't get the funding for it. 296 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 6: So taking something that there is a small core of 297 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 6: truth to it and loading it down with all of 298 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 6: these ridiculous, irrelevant, unprovable details. 299 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 4: What is the reality. Is there a possibility that satellite 300 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 4: that directs energy back to Earth that's supposed to be 301 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 4: captured in some fashion could cause a fire? Is that possible? 302 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 6: I don't know that it can cause a fire, because 303 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 6: I don't think it works on lasers. I think it 304 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 6: works on radio waves. It's still very theoretical. And of 305 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 6: course this satellite never launched. The most likely thing is 306 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 6: that she just got it from somebody who got it 307 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 6: from somebody, probably on Reddit or Twitter or somebody's Facebook post. 308 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 6: I mean, it's the old chain letters, you know, or 309 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 6: the chain emails, you. 310 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 3: Know, Forward forward, forward, forward forward. 311 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 6: My aunt saw a rocket launch and blah blah blah. 312 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 4: She was a qan on person before she even talked 313 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 4: about the rothschild space lasers. Is there any connection between 314 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 4: them other than someone who wants to see conspiracies? 315 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's really just somebody who is so into that 316 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 6: mindset that if you believe one, you're going to believe 317 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 6: more than one. Her post was twenty eighteen summer twenty eighteen, 318 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 6: and it wasn't discovered until January twenty one. But she 319 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 6: was really into that, And there's all kinds of other 320 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 6: posts where she's talking about Islamophobic conspiracy theories, anti Semitic 321 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 6: conspiracy theories. She's a nine to eleven truther. She's a 322 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 6: big pharma truther. So there's no surprise. There's no reason 323 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 6: why it wouldn't throw in a space laser to that, 324 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 6: because why not. It's not like the barrier to entry 325 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 6: for belief is particularly high. 326 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 4: Jerry and I have lived in countries that regularly believe 327 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 4: things we In fact, we've dealt with professionals and other 328 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 4: security services who have these crazy beliefs about what they 329 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 4: think we're up to or we have done. There's got 330 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 4: to be something that makes this something that's comfortable for people. 331 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 6: I mean, conspiracy theories have existed since the very beginning. 332 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 6: We are hardwired to see danger in things we don't understand, 333 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 6: and to see patterns and things that seem random. Go 334 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 6: back to the Great Fire of Rome, there were people 335 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 6: watching the fire going oh Nero did this to consolidate 336 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 6: his power to get rid of his enemies or whatever 337 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 6: it is. 338 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: Although Nero blame the Christians for that, right, they were 339 00:17:58,359 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: the Jews of the time. 340 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 3: Right exactly. 341 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 6: So there's always going to be a need to blame 342 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 6: somebody else for something that you don't quite understand. And 343 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 6: conspiracy theories have an international flavor. Everybody believes something weird 344 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 6: that can't prove and sometimes it curdles into conspiracy, and 345 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 6: sometimes it curdles into hate. You know, for Jewish space lasers, 346 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,239 Speaker 6: I watched and read a number of media sources from 347 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 6: countries that don't even have Jewish populations that blame the 348 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 6: Rothschilds for things. There is quite a bit of anti 349 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 6: Semitism in Japan and China. 350 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: So specifically though, on Jewish space lasers, who's now behind this, 351 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: who's pushing it? And why do you think that is? 352 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 4: Well? 353 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 6: For the Marjorie Taylor green theory, specifically, it was done 354 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 6: to cleared forest land for a high speed rail boondoggle. 355 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 6: And you know, Jerry Brown is supposedly involved, Diane Feinstein 356 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 6: is supposedly involved. It is of course a vast conspiracy, 357 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 6: but it's all done to further the green agenda. The 358 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 6: environmentalist agenda done through the destruction of the environment, ironically is. 359 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 4: This something that has started other fires? Why just the 360 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 4: California fire? Are there other things that have happened because 361 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 4: of these lasers? 362 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, there are specifically these theories about the California fires, 363 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 6: but I think anytime you get a large scale forest fire, 364 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 6: and of course California's had this huge problem over the 365 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 6: last ten or fifteen years of these constant wildfires, but 366 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,479 Speaker 6: I've seen things even about the Canada wildfires of this summer. 367 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 6: You also have a general subset of kind of weather 368 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 6: control theories. So you have a lot of theories that 369 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 6: they are doing cloud seeding. You have theories that the 370 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 6: HARP array in Alaska, the High Energy Atmospheric Research Array 371 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 6: that's used to create earthquakes or lightning storms or nuclear accidents. 372 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 6: It becomes very unscientific very quickly. There is a subset 373 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 6: of theories that they are controlling the weather, they are 374 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 6: faking climate change, using these weapons to manipulate us, and 375 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 6: the forest fire lasers to become part of a bigger, 376 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 6: grander plot, because there's always a bigger grander plot behind 377 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 6: all of these. They're going to put the dissenters in 378 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 6: the camps. They're going to destroy our cities and destroy 379 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 6: our golf courses. They're going to take our gas stoves 380 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 6: away and plow everything into bike lanes. They're terrified that 381 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 6: their way of life is going to be taken away 382 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 6: from them. So conspiracy theories in paranoia are always going 383 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 6: to be part of a free society. So the paranoia 384 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 6: of a free society is the price we pay for 385 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 6: a free society. But who we blame, who we scapegoat? 386 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 6: That does tend to be very cyclical. 387 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 4: Quick question again, Marjorie Taylor Green. You've see any strategy 388 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 4: in what she's doing? And has she changed over time? 389 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 6: She hasn't changed, And you can tell by how she's 390 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 6: reacted to when these allegations come up. You know, at 391 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 6: first it was all I didn't know the Rothschilds were Jewish, Okay, 392 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 6: I mean sure, But then she'll say, well, you know, 393 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 6: I'm not anti Semitic. I have Jewish friends, the real 394 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 6: anti semi to the people calling me anti Semitic. Again, 395 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 6: reversal of who is the actual person with the problem here. 396 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 4: Luckily we happen to have a clip of her doing 397 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 4: just that. This is your boss store, you wonder your name? 398 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 9: Yeah, what's the time you you're talking about the Rothschild family, 399 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 9: which has been at the center of anti Semitic conspiracy. 400 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 3: I have I did not in nineteenth century. 401 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 2: I have no idea. 402 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 6: I'm telling you I very much, what is this twenty 403 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 6: twenty etenen Okay, regular american never been in politics, could 404 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:30,719 Speaker 6: not even have told you. 405 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: Most people and back in politics or families names don't 406 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:35,239 Speaker 1: know their ba. 407 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 9: Now that you do know that, now that you're a 408 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 9: member of Congress, and now that you've been told. 409 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 2: People don't care. 410 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 9: Well an anti Semitism is on the rise in alarming 411 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 9: anti semetery. 412 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 3: You're not You're mixing two things together and you're. 413 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 7: Choosing me of something Kim I did not do, and. 414 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 6: Then you're trying to blame me for anti semitary You 415 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 6: are such a liar. Do you need to stop now? 416 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 6: In terms of is there a strategy with this? Does 417 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 6: she put any thought behind this? There is a I 418 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 6: think a misguided belief that she's just stupid, that she 419 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 6: has no idea what she's doing. I don't think that's 420 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 6: true at all. 421 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: Now. 422 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 6: I think she's uneducated and incurious person. I don't think 423 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 6: she has a super long reading list, But I don't 424 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 6: think she's dumb at all. I think she's very savvy 425 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 6: about social media and she knows what is going to 426 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 6: get past her out. 427 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 4: So maybe she learned from that original post which became huge, yes, 428 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 4: and therefore she realized, oh my goodness, I got a 429 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 4: following from this, let me double down on. 430 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: This right totally. 431 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 6: She could have said, well that you know, I didn't 432 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 6: mean any of that. That was just a dumb thing 433 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 6: I said. I don't feel that way at all. It 434 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 6: doesn't represent me. But she's a conspiracy theorist. 435 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 10: It's not the. 436 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 6: Quiet backbencher who you know just quietly votes in line. 437 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 8: With the party. 438 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: It's her. 439 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 6: It's Lauren Bobert, It's Matt Gates. It's the ones who 440 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 6: are out there saying that dammeest stuff all the time 441 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 6: getting attention for it. Attention means votes, means donations, that 442 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 6: means a bigger role in the party, means a bigger voice. 443 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: So Mike really appreciate you coming by. And now over 444 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: to our producer John Stone, who has some interesting facts 445 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: to force feed us out. 446 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 10: Well. 447 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 8: One of the things I did for my research is 448 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 8: I talked to someone who knows more than me. Is 449 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 8: a science communicator who has a channel on YouTube, So 450 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 8: here's my conversation with them. 451 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 10: My name is Trace de Minguez. I've been a science 452 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 10: communicator now for a bit over a decade. I make 453 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 10: YouTube videos, podcasts, television shows about science and education, and 454 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 10: I have my own YouTube channel called Lunodos of Trace, 455 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 10: and we recently launched a podcast called That's Absurd. Please elaborate. 456 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 10: So space lasers, there's been this idea that you can 457 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 10: fire things in space like a laser, and it hits 458 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 10: something else and it explodes. Getting things into space is 459 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 10: quite expensive. Most people do ride sharing where you would 460 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 10: divide the launch into a bunch of different clients and 461 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 10: you would hitch a ride together to space. Once it's 462 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 10: in space, the person responsible or the state responsible for 463 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 10: launching the thing is responsible for it not breaking other 464 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 10: things in space and not getting in the way of 465 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 10: those other things. Then that is all governed by I 466 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 10: think my favorite named treaty, the Treaty on Principles Governing 467 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 10: the Activities of States and the Exploration and Use of 468 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 10: Outer Space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, which 469 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 10: is just shortened to the Outer Space Treaty. So you 470 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 10: can't like launch a private satellite that shoots lasers. One 471 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 10: because we're not allowed to weaponize space. Well actually specifically 472 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 10: says not nuclear weapons in space. There are weapons in 473 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,239 Speaker 10: space allegedly, although no one is admitted to it. But 474 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 10: you can't launch lasers into space and then not have 475 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 10: anyone know about it, because once it's up there, anyone 476 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 10: can see it, and anyone can tell that it's communicating 477 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 10: back to the planet, and we know that because of 478 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 10: the electromagnetic spectrum, which you can't hide from. 479 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 8: It costs certain amount of money to launch that satellite. 480 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: How much does it cost to build the satellite? 481 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 10: I mean you're talking probably some of the most expensive 482 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 10: satellites that we can have, because you need very precise 483 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 10: targeting systems shooting things from space to Earth. It's really far. 484 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 10: Lasers don't work that way. Lasers are light energy. They 485 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 10: can be used to cut things very very close because 486 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 10: it uses heat energy that builds up in the material. 487 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 10: But shooting something through a vacuum then into an atmosphere, 488 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 10: you're going to hit those atoms and those atoms are 489 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 10: going to start to absorb the energy from that immediately, 490 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 10: especially if you have it it's such a concentrated point. 491 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 10: I did look up the most powerful laser in the world. 492 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 10: It's the Zetawat equivalent Ultra short Pulse laser system, which 493 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 10: is sort of cheating at acronyms, but it's the ZEUS 494 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 10: and it produces this extremely powerful pulse of laser, but 495 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 10: it's only twenty five fempto seconds, which is a quadrillionth 496 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 10: of a second. 497 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 8: As I recall, when Reagan was trying to build the 498 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 8: Star Wars defense program was lasers that would down missiles 499 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 8: being launched from Russia. The way the satellite lasers would 500 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 8: work was actually going to be a nuclear explosion in 501 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 8: space that was create the energy beam that would shoot down. 502 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 10: It's not the best plan. What I compared it to 503 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 10: when I was thinking about this is transmission of power, 504 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 10: like power as in electricity. And recently actually there was 505 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 10: a successful team that was able to beam energy from 506 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 10: space to the ground. They did this using microwaves, So 507 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 10: they installed a ten gigahertz microwave beam about one point 508 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 10: six kilowatts of power. That is a ridiculously low amount 509 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 10: relative to what you would need to damage somebody with 510 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 10: a laser. I think you can buy kilowatt lasers on Amazon, 511 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 10: so it's not a lot of power. 512 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 8: Well, thank you for talking with me, Terrace. 513 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 4: So, John, I know you've done some research on this. 514 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 8: So the first question I assumed you'd ask me was 515 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 8: how much it costs to launch a satellite. BaseX charges 516 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 8: about sixty two million dollars per launch to low Earth orbit, 517 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 8: which is twelve hundred dollars per pound, So a small 518 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 8: satellite could be as cheap as one hundred and fifty 519 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 8: thousand dollars if you're ride sharing with other satellites. However, 520 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 8: the kind of satellite we're talking about would not go 521 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 8: into low Earth orbit. It would have to go into 522 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 8: geostationary orbit, which is twenty two thousand, three hundred miles, 523 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 8: and it would be so large that it probably couldn't 524 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 8: ride share. Long story short, we'd be looking at probably closer. 525 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 4: To three or four hundred million. 526 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:33,719 Speaker 3: That's just a launch. 527 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 8: The most recent military GPS satellites were two hundred and 528 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 8: fifty million dollars. Each typical weather satellite could be two 529 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 8: hundred and ninety million dollars. I would say that the 530 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 8: satellite we're talking about is even more complicated. The closest 531 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 8: thing to this kind of satellite that actually is in 532 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 8: development would have gigantic solar arrays collect solar energy converted 533 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 8: to electricity, beam that electricity to Earth via microwave where 534 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,719 Speaker 8: be converted back into electricity, so used entirely as a 535 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 8: clean power source. The Department of Energy has been figuring 536 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 8: out these solar energy satellites and put the figure between 537 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 8: five hundred million and one billion for a single seven 538 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 8: So we're. 539 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: Talking real money here, John, We're talking like five to 540 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: ten billion dollars to start a forest fire. By the way, 541 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: this is these satellites are great ideas. 542 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 8: On March third this year, twenty twenty three, there was 543 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 8: a successful demonstration of something called Maple microwave array for 544 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 8: power transfer Low orbit experiment. It was built by cal 545 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 8: Tech as part of their Space Solar Power project. It 546 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 8: was very low energy, like Jeb Bush if you were, 547 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 8: but it worked. It powered two LED lights on Earth. 548 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 4: So given all of that, John, what is your takeaway 549 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 4: from this? 550 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 8: It is a technical near future reality. But it would 551 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 8: be really really expensive. If you're trying to do this 552 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 8: to make money, like to clear a path for the 553 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 8: bullet train, then you have to weigh that against the cost. 554 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 8: You know, maybe it's not a bad idea. Nineteen seventy eight, 555 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 8: Superman the Motion Picture had a version of this where 556 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 8: Lex Luthor was going to create an earthquake so the 557 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 8: real estate he had bought up on the east side 558 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 8: of the San Andreas Fault would suddenly be valuable. 559 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: So it's not the craziest idea, but it's up there. 560 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 4: But it's up Well, thank you, John. That was enlightening, 561 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 4: And we're going to take a little break and when 562 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 4: we come back we're going to seek to figure this 563 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 4: all out with our other producer, Adam Davidson. So now 564 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 4: we're going to chat with our other producer who also 565 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 4: doubles as Jerry's pollery amorous tantric sex guru, Adam Davidson. 566 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 3: This is the one I am the most curious about 567 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 3: of all the conspiracy theories. 568 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 2: I am a Jew and the whole idea of Jewish 569 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 2: space lasers is pretty amazing. 570 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 11: So you are Jewish, but you're claiming you know nothing 571 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 11: about this about laser, that's what we call it in Hebrew. 572 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 11: All right, I have a bunch of questions, all right, okay, okay, 573 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 11: is the conspiracy really that Jews built a laser put 574 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 11: it in out of space so they could start forest fires? 575 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 3: Is that the conspiracy? 576 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: The shortened version of that is, yeah, that the Jews 577 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: have a space laser that they can cause havoc with. 578 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 4: I assume George Soros has one as well. 579 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 3: That goes without saying, well, I guess that would be 580 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 3: a quite like what are the Jews? 581 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: Like? 582 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 2: Is it a group of Jews? 583 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 3: Or is it all the Jews? But leaving that aside, 584 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 3: I still don't understand would that be the way I 585 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 3: would think? Oh, I know a good. 586 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: Way to start a forest fire. 587 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 3: But I am asserting to you that I was not involved. 588 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 3: I have not. All right, let me ask you a 589 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 3: few questions. Did you find out how much it costs? 590 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 4: You did? In fact, our other actual hard working producer, 591 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 4: John Stern, gave us some data. 592 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: You're talking billions. But that's if you do it in 593 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: the normal way. If, however, you do it and the government, 594 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: like we're from the CIA, everything costs more because it 595 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: has to be secret. So if the CIA were to 596 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: do it, I would say it would cost five times 597 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: as much. So let's say I. 598 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 2: Hired you guys. Let's say I had a billion or 599 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 2: ten billion, whatever. 600 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 3: It has to be, And I said, guys, here's the budget, 601 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 3: walk me through the steps. Not the actual let because 602 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 3: I know you have zero idea how to actually build 603 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 3: a laser or even find someone who knows how to 604 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 3: build a laser. But the clandestine part. Let's say we're 605 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 3: doing this conspiracy, let's do it. 606 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: Do you have to have a cover story for what 607 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: you're doing our cover story. Let's say it's a weather 608 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: satellite that we're putting up there. 609 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 4: And so what we would look for probably is a 610 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 4: company that could provide the cover to be doing something similar, 611 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 4: so it would hide the fact that the CIA or 612 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 4: the Jews or whoever was behind the actual I like, 613 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 4: how you deployment? 614 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 3: Pretend those are two different groups, okay? And would that 615 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 3: be an act like an actual company, like we'd go 616 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 3: to Boeing or would and say hey, can you help 617 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 3: us out? Or would we create a company either one? 618 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 4: Well, do you recall this sort of was called the 619 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 4: Glomar Explorer, which was a ship that was made to 620 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 4: the cover reason was to explore underwater mining on the 621 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 4: sea bottom, but in fact it was a ci effort 622 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 4: to bring up Soviet sub that had sunk to the 623 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 4: bottom of the Pacific Ocean. So in that process. What 624 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 4: the CIA did is it went to Howard Hughes, who 625 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 4: had a private company, so without sort of public investors 626 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 4: and things. He provided the cover because he was mildly 627 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 4: insane and billions of dollars that he was interested in 628 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 4: mining deep sea nodules. And then under that cover, the 629 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 4: CI built this ship that would go out and then 630 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 4: bring up this Soviet submarine from three miles deep in 631 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 4: the ocean. 632 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: And so everything is more complicated, everything's more expensive, and 633 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: very few people can actually know what the actual even 634 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: the people involved in the project don't know what it's 635 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: there for. Because the more people you have who are involved, 636 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: the more likely it is that your real reason, the 637 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: real thing you've got, is going to appear in Marjorie 638 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: Taylor Green's Facebook. 639 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 3: But that brings up like it goes to my mind. 640 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 3: So there's all sorts of procurement people who are in 641 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 3: charge with buying stuff. There's probably I think they call 642 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 3: it an ERP and enterprise resource planning software systems. You 643 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 3: actually need to connect the conspiracy with the real world, 644 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 3: and I would guess if it's Boeing or a company 645 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 3: like that, you're probably talking about hundreds of people, thousands 646 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 3: of people who could potentially see it. What's the most 647 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 3: people you would want to know about it? Like one, two, three? 648 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 3: Each person exponentially increases the odds of it. 649 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: Right, in reality, it would be thousands would have to 650 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: know what's going on, and they'd all have to be 651 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: willing to keep the secret and not go to the present. Now, 652 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: the secret within the secret within the secret also is 653 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: if you're putting something up that's a space laser, the 654 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: Russians and the Chinese, they're going to be looking really 655 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: closely at this thing. And so maybe if it's a 656 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: weather satellite, it's actually going to have to really be 657 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: a weather satellite that proof can do something else. So 658 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: you're it's going to have to be like sort of 659 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: two satellites in one. So it gets exponentially more difficult 660 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: and more expensive. 661 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 4: If so, as John mentioned to us, there are people 662 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 4: exploring the way that satellites might be able to provide 663 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 4: energy back to the Earth. Right, so they could be 664 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 4: collecting sun rays to create energy which then could be 665 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 4: beamed back to Earth to be used as an energy 666 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 4: on Earth. And so it would have probably the best 667 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 4: cover for this thing would be mostly true. 668 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 3: So and it's the are these the steps you guys 669 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 3: have done conspiracies? Obviously that's the whole freaking point of 670 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 3: this podcast, Like, are these the steps? And specific examples 671 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 3: would be great, just especially classified. Just that just adds 672 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:56,919 Speaker 3: a little free song. 673 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 1: The thing with with a real conspiracy that separates a 674 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: piercy of your conspiracy, is a real conspiracy is like, yeah, 675 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,879 Speaker 1: there are meetings upon meetings upon meetings. People go into 676 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: a boardroom and sit down and pull out a whiteboard 677 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: and go, okay, what have we got to do? And 678 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: then things like what's our budget? And then to be 679 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: quite frank, it's like, yeah, am I going to get 680 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: promoted out of this? Right? I mean? Is this a 681 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: ten year thing? And so you're going to have like 682 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: tens of thousands of people involved in this thing. The 683 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: US government sometimes rarely can keep secrets, right, I mean 684 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: we're discussing some of them. 685 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 2: Prove it. 686 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 3: The only way you can prove it is by sharing 687 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 3: a secret that hasn't been made public. 688 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: So for this one, if we're looking for a cover provider, 689 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: we'd like somebody would say, hey, why don't we get 690 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,439 Speaker 1: Elon Musk, right, he can cover it? And somebody would say, yeah, 691 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: can you keep him quiet, and then we'd all like 692 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: sit and look at each other, go, shit, that's not good. 693 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 3: That's not good. 694 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 2: It'll be tweeted immediately. It's like, right, maybe Trump would 695 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 2: keep it secret. 696 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, even the act of asking Elon Musk would you 697 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,399 Speaker 1: do this? Could blow everything right right right. 698 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 3: But the other piece of it, I'm assuming, like at 699 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 3: a very base level, and this doesn't require like the 700 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 3: CIA and conspiracies and all the Jews. 701 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 2: It's just anything you do. 702 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 3: There's just sort of an implicit what's the least complicated, easiest, 703 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 3: cheapest way to do it? Like if I want to 704 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 3: my wife and I are talking about building a screened 705 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 3: in porch, like building a screen around our outdoor port. 706 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 3: I suppose I could try and Jerry rig some satellite 707 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,280 Speaker 3: system that would shoot a screen down to our porch. 708 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 3: But probably what we'll do is get some quotes, and 709 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 3: you know, we'll want a good one. We won't just 710 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 3: go with the cheapest one, but we'll go with the 711 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 3: one that meets our needs with the least amount of 712 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 3: extraneous stuff. 713 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 7: Right. 714 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 3: That's like a basic part of when human beings do anything. 715 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: What the conspiracy theory mind misses is what it to 716 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: talks about deep state or the government or the Jews. 717 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,280 Speaker 1: The same laws of physics that apply to their life 718 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: apply to everything else as well. What is simplest, what 719 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: is cheapest? Shit doesn't work, People quit, no one can 720 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: keep their mouths shot. Incompetent people get involved. 721 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 2: You know, look at this podcast loss. 722 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a whole other bucket, which is why would 723 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 3: you do it? And I don't feel like you're I'm 724 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 3: just gonna be honest and I don't want to offend you. 725 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 3: You are not convincing me that this is a good idea, 726 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 3: that the Jews really focus the kind of energy and 727 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 3: well literally focus energy, but also spend the time, spend 728 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 3: the money on this project. You're not convincing me. 729 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 4: Well, you clearly didn't pay attention. Again to John Stern, 730 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 4: our excellent producer, when he reminded us of the Superman 731 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 4: movie where the bad guys forget who I was. 732 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: I was. 733 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 4: It was this similar sort of thing to cut off 734 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 4: a part of California so that there would be a 735 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 4: new coastline that could the people who had How is 736 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 4: that we're on the east side of the mountains now 737 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 4: we're the ones that were on the coast and they 738 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 4: had and we all know that that's what the Jews want, 739 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 4: is to make themselves even richer. 740 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 3: I think that is Yeah. When I lived in Baghdad, 741 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,919 Speaker 3: a major rumor was that Jews were coming and buying 742 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:15,839 Speaker 3: up all the real estate. 743 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 2: This is true. I swear you would hear this all 744 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 2: the time. 745 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 3: You want to live there, And I want to say, like, 746 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 3: have you been to Tel Aviv? Like, no one is 747 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 3: leaving this beautiful Mediterranean oceanside, lovely town for Baghdad. 748 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 2: I'm just telling Baghdad is not. 749 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,879 Speaker 3: No one on earth wants to live in Baghdad who 750 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 3: isn't from Baghdad. 751 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: I spent a year in Baghdad. I'm telling you. I 752 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: was never tempted to look for retirement property on the tip. 753 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 2: All right, so I do. 754 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 3: In the great tradition of conspiracy theories, I have a 755 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 3: way to justify all of this. The very fact that 756 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 3: it's so expensive, the very fact that it's so ostentatiously 757 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 3: absurdly inappropriate to solve any problem, the very that are 758 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 3: requires so much secrecy is exactly why they would do it. 759 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 3: The very fact that it makes no sense to do 760 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,320 Speaker 3: it is exactly why. 761 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 2: They obviously did it. 762 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 3: It's like when a billionaire buys a painting for one 763 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 3: hundred million dollars. They're not buying it to tell you, Oh, 764 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 3: I think this painting for a one hundred million is 765 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 3: going to be worth one hundred and eighty million in 766 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 3: a few years. They're buying it to say, I'm so 767 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 3: friggin rich, I can just lose a hundred million and 768 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 3: it makes no difference. And isn't that exactly why the 769 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 3: Jews should build a space laser? Precisely because of all 770 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 3: the reasons it makes no sense to build a space laser. 771 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 3: Don't build the Hoover Dam if no one knows you 772 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 3: built the Hoover Dam. You don't build the pyramids if 773 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 3: no one knows you built the pyramids. We need it 774 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 3: to get out, but we need plausible deniability. We need 775 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 3: a good patsy. Hey, there's this exercise instructor in suburban 776 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 3: Atlantic who I think we could really work with. 777 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 4: Have you ever seen a picture of her tantric sex girl? 778 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 2: I have not. 779 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 4: I have not surprisingly like Jerry Wow. 780 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 3: But leaving that aside, I still don't understand. Would that 781 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 3: be the way I would think? Oh, I know a 782 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 3: good way to start a forest fire. 783 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 4: I don't know. I think I would just throw a 784 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 4: match on the ground in the forest myself. I'm just saying, well, 785 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 4: I hadn't thought of that. 786 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, book of matches? What would that call? What a 787 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 1: book of matches cost? These days? 788 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,479 Speaker 4: You usually could pick them up at a restaurant along 789 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 4: with some mints. 790 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you, that is that is my 791 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 3: biggest concern about this, That you used to be able 792 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 3: to get them everywhere. 793 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm old enough to remember. 794 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 4: But now maybe that's why this happened, because it was 795 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 4: so hard to find matches. 796 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, well, and you. 797 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 4: Do use a lighter. If you try to put it 798 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 4: down to burn, you burn your thumbs. 799 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 1: And you know, Adam, what is the difference between a 800 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: hippo and a zippo? What is very heavy and the 801 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: others a little lighter? 802 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I want. 803 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,720 Speaker 2: The conspiracy theory for how you decided that was worth sharing. 804 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:08,879 Speaker 1: Tropopater tropotter 805 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 5: Of Tropopater