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Speaker 1: Oh baby, hummed field. Here's Craig Griolou and three time

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Speaker 1: pro bowler Kyle Vandenbosch. So, growing up, mid June always

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Speaker 1: signaled the end of school and this week, Kyle, I'm

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Speaker 1: getting those same type of vibes. Minicamp marks the last

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Speaker 1: Orc before training camp. That a fair analogy is the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals are literally on the field right behind you here

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Speaker 1: as we speak on this Tuesday. Yeah, you know, as

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Speaker 1: a player, um, your last mini camp, it does feel

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Speaker 1: the same. You put in a lot of work up

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Speaker 1: to this point, especially for the younger guys, the new

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Speaker 1: guys that came in. You know, they put a lot

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Speaker 1: and it's just your your head's kind of spending. You

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Speaker 1: never really feel like you're settled, are comfortable, and to

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Speaker 1: kind of wrap up your summer work with your last

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Speaker 1: mini camp, there's a bit of excitement and more so,

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Speaker 1: you know, especially the veterans, there's an excitement of getting

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Speaker 1: a feel for who's going to be contributors, which guys

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Speaker 1: This year, training camp begins at the end of July,

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Speaker 1: so you've got about a five six week break here,

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Speaker 1: not that these players won't be putting in work on

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Speaker 1: being around their teammates. They won't see each other until

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Speaker 1: late July for the start of training camp. So you

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Speaker 1: got two days here Tuesday and Wednesday, your last bit

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Speaker 1: of work after a long off season, and let's not

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Speaker 1: very little Kyle Yes Kyler Murray is here. He has

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Speaker 1: reported to mandatory mini camp. Maybe a surprise for some.

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Speaker 1: Kyler has been around this offseason. He just has kind

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Speaker 1: It's you know, it's no question that this team goes

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Speaker 1: having been in similar type situations where guys are kind

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Speaker 1: and that's not just us speaking in here on the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Red Sea Reports tight end Zach Ertz, a guest

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Speaker 1: on The Day Pash podcast, talked about the quarterback skill

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Speaker 1: game for NFL players is how you respond to adversity.

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Speaker 1: Things are not going to go well all the time,

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Speaker 1: And he sounds like he's learned, he's ready to move

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Speaker 1: what the coaches do, particularly with young players, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: they try to put them in a position to be successful.

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Speaker 1: with what this defense needs, this coaching staff is going

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Speaker 1: to take the training wheels off. They expect both of

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Speaker 1: these young linebackers to contribute and be playmakers. In the word, um,

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Speaker 1: the plays that you don't notice them, but they're in

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Speaker 1: the right spot so that somebody else can make a play.

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Speaker 1: That's what it needs to be consistent. You can't have

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Speaker 1: looking for with these two young guys. And remember what

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Speaker 1: they ready for increased roles? Quote, they wouldn't be here

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Speaker 1: if they weren't. And then he equitted it to his

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Speaker 1: to figure out a way. That's just what the job is,

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Speaker 1: and that is the job right now for Zavan Collins

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Speaker 1: The Raiders still aren't covering Darryl Williams. It's a twenty

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Speaker 1: Network Mitch Holtis on the call as Darryl Williams signing

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Speaker 1: with the Arizona Cardinals. It is a one year contract,

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Speaker 1: but Kyle he brings some veteran experience to go alongside

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Speaker 1: a James Connor. Is it that one two punch we

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Speaker 1: saw with Connor and Chase Edmonds? Who knows. But the

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Speaker 1: one thing Cliff Kingsbury did bring up when asked about

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Speaker 1: Williams is that big game experience, Playoffs, super Bowl, Now,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he brings that into the locker room,

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Speaker 1: it was coming back was they described him as smart

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Speaker 1: and tough, and really you could take that description for

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Speaker 1: every player in that running backs room, right. You know,

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Speaker 1: you flash back to a couple of years ago, we

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Speaker 1: had Kenyan Drake. Before that, we had David Johnson, and

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Speaker 1: they were both tremendous guy who were a home run threat.

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Speaker 1: But the frustration watching them was, you know, when the

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Speaker 1: hole wasn't there, they were either looking to bounce or

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Speaker 1: at times, you know, I think what we love from

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Speaker 1: watching James Connor play last year is when there isn't

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Speaker 1: a hole. He's going to stick his face in there

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Speaker 1: and get two more yards. You know, if if the

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Speaker 1: up five because there's not always going to be a hole,

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Speaker 1: and you want that running back to fight for those

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Speaker 1: extra yards to keep the chains moving. And to me,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously I don't know every running backs room

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Speaker 1: in the league, but this has got to be one

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Speaker 1: of the toughest. And you know, you can flip a

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Speaker 1: coin and pick a running back to put in the

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Speaker 1: game on third and one, and they're going to try

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Speaker 1: to stick their face in there and pick up the

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Speaker 1: first down, and there's so much value to that in

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Speaker 1: and really, you know Kyler's first year, Cliffs first year,

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Speaker 1: that was one of the problems was converting the third

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Speaker 1: and shorts, converting in the red zone, and all of

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Speaker 1: that went away last year with the addition of James Connor.

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Speaker 1: And now you have Darryl Williams who is that same

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Speaker 1: type of player, but he's not pigeonholed into just being

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Speaker 1: a power back. He's also a very good receiver out

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Speaker 1: of the backfield. Like James Connor, is that threat in

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Speaker 1: the passing game as well. It doesn't show a tell,

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Speaker 1: if you're Cliff Kingsbury, who do you put in at

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Speaker 1: running back, James Connor or Daryl Williams, Because to your point,

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Speaker 1: we saw Connor last season show the ability to catch

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Speaker 1: the ball out of the backfield, and early on it

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Speaker 1: was like, Okay, if Chase Epmans is in the game,

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Speaker 1: they might pass James Connors in the game. Okay, there

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Speaker 1: maybe run between the tackles. You don't have that with

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Speaker 1: Connor and Williams. Now they're gonna be on the field

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Speaker 1: at the same time. Who knows. Connor's a little bit bigger,

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Speaker 1: but Williams, to your point, he is not afraid of

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Speaker 1: the contact. Now on third and short, maybe you do

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Speaker 1: have both in there, or one or the other, but

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Speaker 1: it's not going to signal to the defense what the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals are going to do. Right, Yes, some offense has

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Speaker 1: become predictable based on the running back in the game.

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Speaker 1: And you know, having played defensive line, we would study specifically. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this running back comes in the game, you know it's

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Speaker 1: going to be a pass, it's going to be a screen.

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Speaker 1: He's their gadget running back. And then they trot their

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Speaker 1: their big running back in you know it's going to

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Speaker 1: be a running between the tackles. Well, these running backs,

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Speaker 1: you don't have a thunder and a lightning. The every

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Speaker 1: single running back on this roster has the potential to

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Speaker 1: be thunder or lightning. They can get the tough yardage.

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Speaker 1: They can run it hard in between the tackles, or

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Speaker 1: they can bounce it. They can catch the ball on

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Speaker 1: the swing pass and get some yards for your offense.

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Speaker 1: Williams five eleven two twenty four. Connor six one, two

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Speaker 1: thirty three. James Connor on what it means to have

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Speaker 1: Darryl Williams in that running back room, big back man physically,

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Speaker 1: I know he's gonna run hard, not know he's not

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Speaker 1: afraid to lower his shoulder and whatnot. So yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: excited about the addition. I know a lot of people

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Speaker 1: had high praise for him. You know what he put

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Speaker 1: on tape on his previous team. You know it was

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Speaker 1: all good things. So excited to have him. Seven running

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Speaker 1: backs currently on the roster. Of course, you know Benjamin

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Speaker 1: john Ward, do one or both get an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: run the ball a little bit more specifically, you know

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Speaker 1: benjam when we did see flashes out of him, not

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Speaker 1: so much out of Jonathan Ward. And then the wildcard

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Speaker 1: in all of this skyle is the sixth round draft

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Speaker 1: pick Keyanta Ingram out of USC, six feet two twenty one,

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Speaker 1: someone who also, like Connor and Williams, can run between

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Speaker 1: the tackles, but also, as we saw last season at USC,

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Speaker 1: the ability to catch the ball out of the backfield.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting because there is depth, but you

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Speaker 1: the younger players, the guys that aren't established, the guys

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Speaker 1: that don't have the production on tape. You know early

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Speaker 1: special teams. But you know, you've you've seen that ability

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Speaker 1: So um, you know that maybe where Keyante Ingram gets

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Speaker 1: He's not standing behind a guy in the backfield that

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Speaker 1: like him, to have his same type of mentality, and

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Speaker 1: so it's it's a tremendous opportunity for him to grow

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Speaker 1: quickly in this league. Ingram averaged almost six yards a

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty six yards. Recently, he was a

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Speaker 1: guest on The Big Red Rage Paul Calvci asking the

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Speaker 1: If you're in the open field and you're one on

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Speaker 1: give him the head, fake the head and shoulders, or

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Speaker 1: course you're gonna over and I'm gonna go with so

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Speaker 1: to your point, Kyle, that he's not going to maybe

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Speaker 1: see a lot of carriers early on this season barn

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Speaker 1: a name for yourself? Special teams be active on Sunday

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Speaker 1: catch the football. I you know, Benjamin and Jonathan Ward,

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Speaker 1: Well you're up, you're dressed, But you have to make

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Speaker 1: you judge how much dog a player has. You put

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Speaker 1: See what type of effort they give, See how they

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Speaker 1: a guy like count Ingram. Count Ingram has been the

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Speaker 1: So you know, those are some things that are going

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Speaker 1: ability and you show your value on special teams, that's

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Speaker 1: how you stick with the roster. And eventually when you

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Speaker 1: get your opportunity to carry the ball, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: then then maybe you can stay as a part of

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Speaker 1: the rotation or even earn a starting spot in this league.

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Speaker 1: But um, you know, you you hope for guys like this,

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Speaker 1: Guys who are hungry, guys who want to make a

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Speaker 1: name for themselves, Guys who come in and want to

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Speaker 1: contribute in any way they can. Um, those are the

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Speaker 1: guys that make you that add so much value to

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Speaker 1: your team. And really, um, are the difference between wins

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Speaker 1: and losses. I mean, obviously it's you know, the league

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Speaker 1: is built on star power and impact players, but it's

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Speaker 1: the other guys that are making the impact on special

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Speaker 1: teams that help you win games. Mentioned earlier that there

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Speaker 1: are seven running backs on the roster. Kingsbury earlier this offseason,

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Speaker 1: asked about how many he would expect to keep. He

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Speaker 1: brought up the number four, So do the math again.

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Speaker 1: Not everyone is going to be able to make that

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Speaker 1: initial fifty three man roster. Can Ingram show enough not

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Speaker 1: just on special teams, but also being able to run

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Speaker 1: and catch the ball here on this next level, next

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Speaker 1: up here on the Cardinals Red Seat Report presented by

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Speaker 1: Sea Geek, get your seats and a seats Kyle Vanenbosch.

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Speaker 1: Does he have another snapper two in him? Can he

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Speaker 1: get to that opposing quarterback? Another question? Defensively, can the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals make up the loss of Chandler Jones. There are

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Speaker 1: certainly a number of players that they hope can do

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Speaker 1: it collectively with that one individual. That's gonna be hard.

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Speaker 1: This is the on the Cardinals Radio Network, Garoppolo three

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Speaker 1: steps dropped, steps up, kids, hit and sack back at

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Speaker 1: about the thirteen yard line by Marcus Golden. When you

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Speaker 1: need a play forty four is there? Starred Barkin get

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Speaker 1: the Robinson running right, met by Cannard who got off

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Speaker 1: a block and stuff the play, hands it off nowhere

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Speaker 1: to run between the tackles. Devon Canard back to throw

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Speaker 1: a Flacco sacked by gardeck Oh My goodness, what a

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Speaker 1: move by Dennis Gardak. The barbarian Flacco in the pocket,

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Speaker 1: gonna get hit and sacked, Dennis Gardak got him again.

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Speaker 1: Dennis Gardak got up and did a little barbarian dance

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Speaker 1: around the fire. Marcus Golden, Devon Canard, Dennis Gardeck. It

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Speaker 1: might take all three and then some to make up

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Speaker 1: the loss of Chandler Jones or helped mitigate the loss

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Speaker 1: of the franchises all time sacks leader. Here as we

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Speaker 1: continue on the Cardinals Red Sea Report presented by Get

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Speaker 1: Your Seats in a Seats. As we mentioned off the

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Speaker 1: top of the show, Marcus Golden in attendance during Mandatory

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Speaker 1: Mini Camp. He had not been seen during OTAs. We

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Speaker 1: also brought up the name Rodney Hudson not seen during

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Speaker 1: the open portion of mandatory Mini Camp. And we have

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Speaker 1: an update before we get more into the outside linebacker discussion.

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Speaker 1: But our colleague Darren urban Hazy, Cardinals dot Com head

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Speaker 1: coach Cliff Kingsbury said Hudson not excused from Mini camp.

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Speaker 1: They are working through some things. Kingsbury could not say

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Speaker 1: anything more than that right now, but an unexcused absence

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Speaker 1: for your starting center Rodney Hudson. Remember, earlier this offseason,

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Speaker 1: free agent center Billy Price was reportedly in for a visit.

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Speaker 1: Who knows, Cardinals might have to revisit that again prior

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Speaker 1: to the beginning of training. So question mark at center.

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Speaker 1: Question mark for me, Kyle continues, not individually, but a

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Speaker 1: position group on defense is that outside linebacker, the edge rusher.

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Speaker 1: How do you handle no Chandler Jones. We can speculate it,

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Speaker 1: we can hammer it all, we want more, just not

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Speaker 1: going to know until the regular season begins. But that

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Speaker 1: is a huge piece of the puzzle, if you will,

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Speaker 1: that has been removed and not really replaced with another

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Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle. Might take pieces of smaller puzzles

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Speaker 1: to equate a larger piece of Chandler Jones. No, you're

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Speaker 1: absolutely right, and you know you're not asking any one

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Speaker 1: player to replace Chandler Jones's production. Probably more concerning will

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Speaker 1: be teams will approach you differently. You know, offensive coordinators

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Speaker 1: always had to game plan and know where Chandler Jones

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Speaker 1: was in account for that. I don't know that that's

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Speaker 1: there anymore. I mean Marcus God then, um, I love

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Speaker 1: his game, I love his approach to the game. I

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Speaker 1: love the way he passed rushers and his intensity that

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Speaker 1: he plays with. UM, but I don't know that you're

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Speaker 1: you know, thinking you're gonna have to chip him on

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Speaker 1: every play, that you're gonna have to double team him

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Speaker 1: on every play. UM you know, I think that attention rightfully.

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Speaker 1: So moves back to JJ Watt on the inside. You

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Speaker 1: have to account for him and always know where he's at. UM. So, UM,

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Speaker 1: you know, guys on the outside, they're probably gonna get

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Speaker 1: one on ones and they're gonna get an opportunity to rush.

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Speaker 1: And UM, you know, we we drafted UM some some

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Speaker 1: young players with UM looks like high ceilings. Guys that UM,

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Speaker 1: you know, are expected to be good players, UM, good

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Speaker 1: pass rushers. It just remains be seen where they'll be

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Speaker 1: at this season and how quickly they can step in. UM.

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Speaker 1: You know you have a Dennis Gardek who UM, he's

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Speaker 1: a great story. UM, a guy everybody cheers for it

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Speaker 1: because of the way he approaches a game, who had

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Speaker 1: a tremendous production a couple of years ago, and it

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Speaker 1: looked like, um, he was on a quick ascent to

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Speaker 1: being a contributor in an impact player in this defense

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Speaker 1: before he went down with an injury. Now, UM, you know,

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Speaker 1: having a full season UM under his belt after an

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Speaker 1: ACL repair, UM you know you expect him to get

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Speaker 1: close to the level he was at UM to be

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Speaker 1: an effective rusher. UM you know you have UM, you

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Speaker 1: have Kennard who UM is you know was has done

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Speaker 1: it in the past. He did it in Detroit. Was

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Speaker 1: you know, a productive pass rusher in Detroit. So UM

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Speaker 1: you know. And again I think the key will be

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Speaker 1: identifying what each edge rusher does well and put them

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Speaker 1: in a position to succeed. You do have options. You

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Speaker 1: mentioned the young draft picks, Cameron Thomas, my j Sanders,

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Speaker 1: Jesse Lookatta. Certainly an offseason, a full offseason for a

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Speaker 1: lot of these young players, something that is Avan Collins

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Speaker 1: and Isaiah Simmons did not get in their first years

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Speaker 1: coming out of college. That is a benefit. Charlie Bulling,

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Speaker 1: outside linebackers coach on The Big Red Rage, talked about

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Speaker 1: that benefit of the offseason here, especially for those edge rushers.

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Speaker 1: This is a time where you're where you can train

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Speaker 1: perfect muscle memory. So we're out there, you know, going

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Speaker 1: through it, working our fundamentals, working our pass rush moves.

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Speaker 1: It could be a counter move or that type of thing.

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Speaker 1: But for sure, at least we're training the baseline fundamentals,

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Speaker 1: you know, so that when we get sped up in

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Speaker 1: competitive situations, we're ready to roll with that muscle memory.

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Speaker 1: And it might take all six of the names that

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Speaker 1: we have mentioned, including a Victor de Mucage as far

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Speaker 1: as to make up for the loss of Chandler Jones

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Speaker 1: a rotation, if you will. Not one of those individuals

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Speaker 1: is going to maybe get the double digit sacks. Marcus

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Speaker 1: Golden certainly ken he's done it before, but you're going

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Speaker 1: to need a collective effort to replace number fifty five.

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Speaker 1: Here's Charlie Bulling on just that topic. Franchise sack leader,

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Speaker 1: you know, great shot at the Hall of Fame. You

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Speaker 1: can't replace the guy that off the jump. You know,

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Speaker 1: love chan, miss him dearly, wish him the best, you know,

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Speaker 1: and it's a great opportunity for our group to step

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Speaker 1: up replacing that production as best we can. You know,

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Speaker 1: when Marcus is a great rusher who's produced a lot

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Speaker 1: of years, so we expect you know, him to pick

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Speaker 1: up right where he left off last year, and you know,

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Speaker 1: to replace Chandler's production. It may be by committee, you

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Speaker 1: know or you know, somebody may step up in a

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Speaker 1: big way. It was by committee, and there was an

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Speaker 1: individual who Dude step up back in twenty twenty when

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Speaker 1: Chandler Jones was hurt early in the season and the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals still finished with forty eight sex the fourth most

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Speaker 1: in the league. Has Son Reddick twelve and a half sex,

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Speaker 1: Dennis Gardeck seven sacks. Maybe it is Marcus Golden and

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Speaker 1: Dennis Gardeck repeating Gardek what he did a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago. But it is going to take not just one,

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Speaker 1: but there's going to be a handful of guys that

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Speaker 1: are gonna be given the opportunity because that's what you

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Speaker 1: have right now. You didn't go out and try to

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Speaker 1: get a von Miller or something like that, fill a

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Speaker 1: pass rusher for a pass rusher, but we did see

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Speaker 1: Vance Joseph scheme it up a couple of years back.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's the case again here now, Kyle. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: you know, probably as important as the talent of the

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Speaker 1: players on the outside. And I've talked about this in

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Speaker 1: the past, particularly Um, you know when when I was

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Speaker 1: breaking down games last year. UM, it takes a talented

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Speaker 1: coaching staff and it starts with Vance Joseph and his

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Speaker 1: usage of players and putting them in the right position. Um,

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Speaker 1: you don't you know, you don't want to put a

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Speaker 1: player on the field in a package where he shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be there. Vance Joseph identifies, um, which position guys should

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Speaker 1: be in when to use them. And you know he's

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Speaker 1: he's going to do the same thing this year. And um,

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Speaker 1: you know this this one thing that coach Kingsbury has done.

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Speaker 1: He's assembled a very talented, very smart coaching staff, and

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Speaker 1: not just on the offensive side of the ball, the

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Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball as well. I mean, I've

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Speaker 1: worked with a few of these defensive coaches. I know

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Speaker 1: some of them personally. Um, they're all great human beings.

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Speaker 1: But they are smart and capable coaches, and they will

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Speaker 1: identify the strengths of each player, they will identify the weaknesses,

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Speaker 1: and they will put them in a position to help

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Speaker 1: this team play well on defense and to win games.

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Speaker 1: Players make plays. Coaches can put them in position to

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Speaker 1: make plays, but ultimately its can fall on the players

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Speaker 1: to get the job done. You're not going to see

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Speaker 1: Vans Joseph on the field. Charlie Bullen is not going

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Speaker 1: to be on the football field, so putting the players

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Speaker 1: in position, but then obviously it's going to come down

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Speaker 1: to the execution of those players. And that's kind of

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Speaker 1: where my concern is a little bit. Because we've seen

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Speaker 1: Marcus Golden do it. It's been a while since we've

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Speaker 1: seen Devon Knar do it and Gardeck did it one year.

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Speaker 1: Was it a flash in the pan or was there

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Speaker 1: something there for the young player? Yeah, it's that's to

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Speaker 1: be seen, right, It's it is you have a comfort

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Speaker 1: level when you have the veterans on the field that

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Speaker 1: have done it. It's just replicating that, finding that place

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Speaker 1: where you were perhaps even playing better and stepping up

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Speaker 1: in a bigger role. You know, there's there is just

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Speaker 1: so many questions, and that's again, you know, thank goodness

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals with where they're at on defense and the

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Speaker 1: guys that are trying to replace. We have a full offseason.

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals have an opportunity to plug guys in, see

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Speaker 1: how they move, see what they do well, and see

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Speaker 1: what type of asset they can be for this team.

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Speaker 1: Of Course, another option perhaps Isaiah Simmons. We did see

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Speaker 1: that a little bit last season. So Cardinals do have

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Speaker 1: numbers to attack at that position. Just who will step

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Speaker 1: up to attack the opposing quarterback. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: one of those questions that we all be revisiting once

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Speaker 1: training camp begins. Special thanks to those behind the scenes,

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Speaker 1: our senior broadcast Manager and producer Jim Almandro, Technical and

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Speaker 1: director Lauren Coval for Kyle Van Debosh, I'm Craig Rio Lou.

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