Speaker 1: Okay, welcome to another episode of The Gangster Chronicles. This
Speaker 1: episode five. My name is Alex Alonso, and to my
Speaker 1: right is right, and to his right James McDonald. Man,
Speaker 1: how you guys doing today? Man, I'm good with my brother.
Speaker 1: How you doing? Man? Just uh, seems like a NonStop man,
Speaker 1: NonStop working man. So how was your week? I'm reggy
Speaker 1: you had a big week. I had a big No week,
Speaker 1: didn't happen. Everything's good with you. I'm good today. Okay,
Speaker 1: I guess we ain't gonna go into that right now.
Speaker 1: Maybe another episode, how about you, James? Oh, Man, mine
Speaker 1: was the grand baby. You know, I'm raising my my daughters. Sean.
Speaker 1: I've been having me four years, so a little over
Speaker 1: a year. Every weekend is me and him. That's a
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. Yeah, every weekend. But last week, man, you
Speaker 1: wore this incredible T shirt, not even a T shirt,
Speaker 1: was a button down shirt, right, just a T shirt.
Speaker 1: And on the back of the T shirt you had
Speaker 1: some rest in pieces. Uh, some of the homies that
Speaker 1: were closely associated with you and death Row records. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well everybody on the back of the T shirt was
Speaker 1: close to me. Um, I've knowing these guys for years
Speaker 1: and you know they lost their lives. Uh dinner with
Speaker 1: the the Ends and out of death Row and all
Speaker 1: the bs that's going on. So I was just sitting
Speaker 1: back thinking of actually doing a T shirt for our podcast,
Speaker 1: and the guy that did it put um documentary on
Speaker 1: the front instead of against the chronicles. So it turned
Speaker 1: in to be for for for the documentary. But my
Speaker 1: whole thing was how do I get these guys out
Speaker 1: here and so people don't forget them and forget what
Speaker 1: everybody went through. So instead of just being selfish and
Speaker 1: putting my brother on the T shirt and saying his
Speaker 1: Alta mcdonaldy lost his life, you know, through death Row,
Speaker 1: I sent him to get all of them. I had
Speaker 1: passionate love for all of these guys, so I had
Speaker 1: it hooked up. I had more faces to put on there.
Speaker 1: But it was just like a promo, something to see
Speaker 1: how to turn out and how everybody would like it.
Speaker 1: And everybody was. They loving it. They want to order
Speaker 1: T shirts. Everybody said that was that was a good look,
Speaker 1: and I appreciated that. So now I have people want
Speaker 1: to buy the T shirt. I'm telling everybody that there's
Speaker 1: no way where I can sell that T shirt and
Speaker 1: to benefit off of that. To me, it is like
Speaker 1: benefit of from my brother. Well, you can sell the
Speaker 1: shirt and then give the proceeds to an important cause. Well,
Speaker 1: what I did was hook my one of my homeboys.
Speaker 1: This is in Detroit, UH, Chicago, UH, New York, all
Speaker 1: over the place. They all these guys is hitting me up,
Speaker 1: and he got linked to all of them. So all
Speaker 1: of these guys and these girls are pretty much put
Speaker 1: centing in their sizes for the shirt. And I hooked
Speaker 1: him up directly with the guy that's doing the shirt.
Speaker 1: So I'm not getting the dime out of it. I
Speaker 1: don't want to dime out of it. So everybody, I
Speaker 1: have that shirt, and everybody you you never forget these guys.
Speaker 1: You'll never forget them. Now, for those let me go,
Speaker 1: because if you know anything about James and history, you'll
Speaker 1: ever listened to are step point on Firth. You know
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a mad brother in a couple of
Speaker 1: years with somebody. Make a whole bunch of money off
Speaker 1: some man. You do it. You got what you're writing,
Speaker 1: and he'll fight is uh and getting money to lawyer.
Speaker 1: You do it. I know that. Well, for those who
Speaker 1: want to check out the shirt. We got pictures posted
Speaker 1: on the Gangster Chronicles Instagram page, and we got close ups,
Speaker 1: and let me just describe the shirt a little bit.
Speaker 1: There's five people. Even though there's more than five people
Speaker 1: that lost their lives, you put five on the back
Speaker 1: of the shirt. And there are pictures of all five
Speaker 1: of those on the Instagram page. And let's just talk
Speaker 1: about those five people. Let's start off with a person
Speaker 1: number one, Wardale Pucci Fuss died July three. Pucci was remembered,
Speaker 1: you know, part of the UH security on death Road.
Speaker 1: Me and him was cool. Uh, we never really hung
Speaker 1: out and this and that. But his his his whole
Speaker 1: thing was the same as everybody else. He was killed
Speaker 1: over the same thing. So everybody on that shirt was
Speaker 1: killed basically for the same purpose. And I can I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try to elaborate on that in a minute. But um,
Speaker 1: Reggie knew more Pucci than I did. But I chose
Speaker 1: to put him on there because Pucci and I didn't
Speaker 1: see eye to eye. But that don't mean just because
Speaker 1: he'd gone, I just erasing. So I put him on
Speaker 1: there so people wouldn't think that I was being selfish
Speaker 1: or being a biggest uh hating. So I put him
Speaker 1: on there so they can see that because a lot
Speaker 1: of people out there still like Pucci, love Pucci, so
Speaker 1: I put him. I put him on there too. The
Speaker 1: next shirt is gonna have eight. The next shirt is
Speaker 1: gonna have chin and And I just want people to
Speaker 1: see that this right here, everything that happened to death Row,
Speaker 1: it didn't only affect me, It affected everybody. All these
Speaker 1: guys got mama kids, grandmama's uncle's affected everybody. So just
Speaker 1: wearing that shirt, it lets whomever that don't even know
Speaker 1: you see how these guys died and when they died.
Speaker 1: And that's what the shirt tell you. You don't have
Speaker 1: to ask who is Bunchy, who was hand off? The
Speaker 1: shirt tells itself. You spoke about Fusts is what faults.
Speaker 1: Some people know him Darnielle Bolton, but you and he's
Speaker 1: better known. And and I'm saying, Reggie is just this
Speaker 1: Reggie opinion. And Reggie just saying that no one else
Speaker 1: here is that that he's responsible for the murder of
Speaker 1: Biggie Small. How sure? How how sure do you feel
Speaker 1: about that? Well? None of us sure, But that's what
Speaker 1: I believe from the investigation that was done by l
Speaker 1: APD Task Force with along with the FBI, the d
Speaker 1: A and all of that that you can find the
Speaker 1: whole detail and then the book murder route then by
Speaker 1: Gray Cating's are you over that he was involved in
Speaker 1: the biggiest killing? Yes? Was he the driver of the
Speaker 1: Green s S. He was the only occupant of the vehicle,
Speaker 1: And I guess a lot of people might have some
Speaker 1: some negative to say about him if that's true. Well,
Speaker 1: you have the people out there, they want to believe
Speaker 1: the Derby cops, the Rampart cops and all of that
Speaker 1: that has something to do with it, with the David
Speaker 1: mc and all of that. But that's this old white
Speaker 1: man that had nothing to do with the Tupac or
Speaker 1: the Biggie case that's pushing that narrative. Well, I think
Speaker 1: David Mack also owned the exact same car and maybe
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of people linked his name to
Speaker 1: the killing the Biggie. So, well, now we're gonna say
Speaker 1: a cop, it's gonna be stupid enough to drive by
Speaker 1: assassination on someone in his own vehicle. Okay, all right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we have heard of cops dirty cops involved
Speaker 1: in shooting personal vehicle whatever was him, But he robbed man.
Speaker 1: He wasn't in his own personal on that incident. He
Speaker 1: rented a vehicle and and and he's another car. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but listen, just um, David mc walked into the Bank
Speaker 1: of America on jeffersonim and Clintock and rob seven hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars that has never recovered as an l ap
Speaker 1: D officer. That's crazy. I'm not saying nothing about dirty cops.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he wasn't dirty. I'm just saying he
Speaker 1: what was his motive to have an assassination on small
Speaker 1: I think that, Um, there is a lot, a lot
Speaker 1: of evidence that probably points more to Mr Wardell, But
Speaker 1: I don't know for sure. You know, though, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure like you are. I'm hey, he's a killer. You know.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it past Pucci. I'm in the man gone.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit there and put more smut on
Speaker 1: him than he already got. Uh. The guy was it
Speaker 1: was it was a hitter and and and he he
Speaker 1: did that kind of well, I mean, I wouldn't put
Speaker 1: it past you. Well, you're a little hesitant. I'm putting
Speaker 1: him on the on the shirt, because you've had at
Speaker 1: least a dozen people you could have put on there.
Speaker 1: But I wanted the first shirt to say that I
Speaker 1: wasn't okay Pucci and I was gonna put George on
Speaker 1: one and behind bars, but I said, now that ain't
Speaker 1: a good look. But yeah, I was kind of like
Speaker 1: hesitant to do it, but then I said, this is me,
Speaker 1: this is what I want people to see. So I
Speaker 1: put him on there. I didn't it didn't matter. So
Speaker 1: everybody see it and it's like, wow, you put Pucci
Speaker 1: up there, and then Pucci have something to do with
Speaker 1: your brother. I was corrected by Reggie that he wouldn't
Speaker 1: even there at the time. He was not getting along
Speaker 1: with with George at the time, so that that pretty
Speaker 1: much shield to deal for me to put him on there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and we'll go into the next person where
Speaker 1: Pucci was in the car when he got shot up
Speaker 1: with Chen. Well, go ahead, and he's gonna tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit about Chien. William Chinn Walker. He was
Speaker 1: killed April seven, April four, two thousand. He was thirty
Speaker 1: seven years old. James, Yeah, Chim was Chim was my
Speaker 1: cousin's my first cousin's boyfriend. Uh, I met him a
Speaker 1: couple of times wherever that wouldn't even been around him.
Speaker 1: My cousin had some no functions at the house that
Speaker 1: I would go to and he would be there. Uh,
Speaker 1: real cool guy, real cool guy. Wasn't you know, a
Speaker 1: loud person, you know, be real cool. And from the
Speaker 1: times we met, he was always like, what you need,
Speaker 1: what you need, I got you, I got it, No,
Speaker 1: y'all in my house, I got this. So he was
Speaker 1: always cool. So I wanted to make sure he was
Speaker 1: on there. Uh. My people looked at it and just like,
Speaker 1: y'all still remembering him. Yeah, I remember all of these
Speaker 1: guys from there. It's like a nightmare that won't go away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember all these guys so real. Good brother. And
Speaker 1: he was with he was with Pucci when he was killed,
Speaker 1: when he got killed and he was shotting injured. Actually
Speaker 1: him and Pucci were best friends at the time, and
Speaker 1: that's what killed me because I thought Pucci switched on
Speaker 1: Chin and and had him killed. So I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking one way, but it didn't actually go that way.
Speaker 1: And my cousin even said that they were best friends.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't do him like that. So even though Pooch
Speaker 1: was in the car with him, you thought maybe there
Speaker 1: was a chance that he was involved in that, even
Speaker 1: though he got shot too, only because that that that
Speaker 1: Pucci was like got one hunter with George and they
Speaker 1: was like tight. So whatever George did, I I'm you know,
Speaker 1: it leads you to believe we're not great set up
Speaker 1: here Bill George up like he was the one that
Speaker 1: he was tight with. And the reason that they all
Speaker 1: were associated with was because of this food Roger Reed
Speaker 1: they called Little Rod, who was the main connect out
Speaker 1: there with the drugs, and they all was working for him. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean it just goes to say that once those
Speaker 1: guys started hanging together, he one do something. They all
Speaker 1: guilty to me, and if you go out the one,
Speaker 1: you gotta go at all of them. No loose sands. Alright,
Speaker 1: Any any last thoughts on on Shin. What do you
Speaker 1: think of Reggie that he put him on the shirt? Well,
Speaker 1: I had no problem with I of history and to
Speaker 1: know that, you know, people was fascinated with these characters
Speaker 1: and the individuals and so hey, that's how you get
Speaker 1: to know it. That's how you shoot rumors and and
Speaker 1: and bullshit. Down, just put out by people that in
Speaker 1: my line, in my mind, had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the guys or even knew what they were if they
Speaker 1: walked in and slapped them in their face while they're
Speaker 1: sitting at the restaurant, and that likes to speak on him. So,
Speaker 1: out of the five on the shirt, Sin was killed
Speaker 1: first out of the five and two thousand. I believe
Speaker 1: she was still in prison. He didn't. He wasn't released
Speaker 1: yet when that one happened, correct, and he I think
Speaker 1: it was released two thousand one. Uh, he was released
Speaker 1: August the third, two thousand and one. So let's go
Speaker 1: on to the third person on the shirt, David brim
Speaker 1: Dave Dudley March one. He was killed this one I've
Speaker 1: been I've been knowing this little guy, his brother, his
Speaker 1: big brother is is my home where it was one
Speaker 1: hundred since the third grade. They lived across the street
Speaker 1: from the school and uh from Stephen C. Foster, and
Speaker 1: I always thought a little Dave was gonna be from
Speaker 1: the hood because they lived there. But they moved and
Speaker 1: the next time I've seen him he was Brim Dave.
Speaker 1: He's a grown man now. And me and Tim Tom
Speaker 1: hung out so much that man, this this guy right here.
Speaker 1: So when I put a little Dave on the on
Speaker 1: the shirt, little Davy was killed in front of my
Speaker 1: house sixteen o nine. He's killing and and he was
Speaker 1: coming to pretty much let my brother know that these
Speaker 1: guys got a hit on him. And somebody went back
Speaker 1: and told them that little Dave was was are like
Speaker 1: family to us, which they didn't know. Nobody knew Dave
Speaker 1: knew our family and was that clote So the same
Speaker 1: these guys setting waited until he walked out to the
Speaker 1: house with him and his girlfriend, and when he went
Speaker 1: to put his key in the car, they pulled up,
Speaker 1: got out and spread him with a k I think
Speaker 1: little Davy was shot twenty three times. He was lit up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his girlfriend was shot. I think did she lose on
Speaker 1: she lost her arm. She thank god she she was
Speaker 1: pregnant and she had shaved your kid. But he was
Speaker 1: killed right in front of our house. Man, And this
Speaker 1: was done. My grandmother's house was right next door. Caused
Speaker 1: them to move out to him. And after that happened,
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, they end up selling their house
Speaker 1: two bunch to Uh Jane's sister Uh because they had
Speaker 1: to get out of there because it was like there
Speaker 1: were so many shots that was fired at that location
Speaker 1: they thought there was a war going on. But well
Speaker 1: they actually had two eight k's and they shot him
Speaker 1: up with two eight k's showed imagine looking at his
Speaker 1: body right there by the door. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's two shooters. Yeah, yeah, in a vand doors open.
Speaker 1: Anything about a guy that loves with the m o
Speaker 1: of having a van and shooting up people with the
Speaker 1: a K then you know who did who's responsible for that?
Speaker 1: We all know who it is, um. And it was
Speaker 1: a result of sending a bunch of you a message,
Speaker 1: is what it really was about. From a law enforcement
Speaker 1: on point of view. Yeah, where they actually let a
Speaker 1: little David know, we know what you're doing, we know
Speaker 1: you over here. Yeah, but they followed them over there
Speaker 1: to shoot him lift dog. Well, I mean, I ain't
Speaker 1: going to speak with you and go back and forth,
Speaker 1: but we had a guy in the neighborhood that was
Speaker 1: basically scared and he was going back and forth with
Speaker 1: with intail and and a couple of these guys that
Speaker 1: should be shoulder. What happened when you got half as
Speaker 1: lawyer cat on your team and you feed him, but
Speaker 1: then he goes to the next cat for five more
Speaker 1: dollars than what you've given me, and then he telling everything.
Speaker 1: So it was it was it was a sad day.
Speaker 1: And for him to die like that, I mean, you
Speaker 1: never want to see nothing like that in your life. Um,
Speaker 1: you say overkilled, you know. And this is all in
Speaker 1: the result of the next person on your list. Now,
Speaker 1: were you maintaining relationships with law enforcement and Compton where
Speaker 1: you were able to find out what was going on
Speaker 1: even though at this time he was working as a
Speaker 1: death row employee. Yeah, my father was still employed with
Speaker 1: the Lost Tallem the Sheriff's Department, uh, during some of this,
Speaker 1: and he was running the game unit and the homicide
Speaker 1: unit during some of these with when it was Compton
Speaker 1: p D. So most of these, if not all of them,
Speaker 1: are unsolved or open cases. Yeah yeah, alright, well you
Speaker 1: know they basically took it. Well, the person that's responsible
Speaker 1: for most of them is doing life in jail, yeah
Speaker 1: for something else though, it don't matter. He's in jail
Speaker 1: for life, all right. So the next person you had
Speaker 1: on your shirt, James was Henry after one to events
Speaker 1: is not on the shirt but we could talk about
Speaker 1: we'll come back to vent. Henry Hendog Smith thirty three
Speaker 1: was killed on October two thousand two, and it was
Speaker 1: credited with designing probably the most famous logo and music
Speaker 1: history Exactly hand Up lived at our house. Most of
Speaker 1: the most of the guys in the neighborhood lived at
Speaker 1: our house at one point in time. Um, he was, man,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't want to
Speaker 1: Just me and James have different opinions on on on
Speaker 1: this incident. Umhn Dog left work, left death Row records.
Speaker 1: Um he was working in the graveyard show. Uh, watching
Speaker 1: the building at night. I was going from death Row
Speaker 1: at that time and my security was going as well.
Speaker 1: From death Row. There we talking about the building on
Speaker 1: seven and Wilshire. Yes, two hundred Willsher. I mean it's
Speaker 1: really eight two hundred. It's really an address in the
Speaker 1: l A on seven Sinte. But somehow we got got
Speaker 1: the address or eighty two hundred Willsher, which I owned.
Speaker 1: I was downer of that building. Um. But anyway, Um,
Speaker 1: he was going home on his way home and uh
Speaker 1: he stopped at a gym. Dadny taken over on imperiod
Speaker 1: in Vermont in the Denver Lanes area. This where where
Speaker 1: James and I differ. Um, I believe Uh, he was
Speaker 1: setting in the car, his kid was in the back
Speaker 1: seat of the car, and um, they were going they
Speaker 1: were looking for an apartment in that area. Uh, they
Speaker 1: didn't have cell phones. Most people don't know back in
Speaker 1: the nineties it's hard to have cell phones. But still
Speaker 1: if they wasn't, as in everybody here like we have
Speaker 1: him now. And so they stopped at the phone boot
Speaker 1: and his girl got on the phone to call someone,
Speaker 1: and someone rolled up on the bicycle while he was
Speaker 1: sitting in the car on the driver's side and shot
Speaker 1: and killed him with his kid in the back seat.
Speaker 1: I believe the reline is responsible. However, James, to my opinion,
Speaker 1: as from conversations we had before, I think he differs
Speaker 1: on that. Now, was it expected that hand dog was
Speaker 1: gonna be at this location? Was a lesson? Some people
Speaker 1: would suspect his woman of setting him up. Every guy
Speaker 1: on his paper was followed, everybody was shut up. And
Speaker 1: then would you agree with that? I agree with the
Speaker 1: Only reason that I don't is because of the bicycles.
Speaker 1: But go ahead, well, I mean the bio single. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean the way hand dog was my little brother.
Speaker 1: Hand dog became a little cousin to us, to mom, James,
Speaker 1: Jimmy room, a bunch of reality, my mother to my sister's. Uh,
Speaker 1: hand dog had a key to our house. He came
Speaker 1: in and left when he wanted to. That was our
Speaker 1: little brother. And read you've never seen him hurt nobody
Speaker 1: unless it was on some like some real bey at
Speaker 1: some real ship. Um they killed him, Um, somebody felt
Speaker 1: the need to kill him. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: to just a disrespectful kill as my brother. Yeah, now
Speaker 1: he was was he was he in Vegas the day
Speaker 1: Park was killed? Was he in the lobby? No? Okay,
Speaker 1: some people said he was, probably, but he wasn't one
Speaker 1: of the ones in now okay, all right, Well, another
Speaker 1: open case unsolved l A p D. Don't blame that
Speaker 1: one on Come, no, I'm not blaming it on anyone. Up.
Speaker 1: I don't blame the police for any unsolved cases because
Speaker 1: you don't know the specifics of it. But the last
Speaker 1: person on your shirt, James is William chin Walker April four,
Speaker 1: two thousand. I'm sorry, your brother is the last person
Speaker 1: on the shirt. Your blood brother, you're the guy that
Speaker 1: you you introduced him to Sugar, and um, it's obviously
Speaker 1: you put him on the shirt because that's your bro.
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to just put him on the shirt.
Speaker 1: Let me every time, every every time I get here,
Speaker 1: I get cheeriot and ship someone trying to do this
Speaker 1: one without it. H Uh. Me and Bunchy fought all
Speaker 1: the time over half of the ship that was going
Speaker 1: on with death Bro. I never expected for him to
Speaker 1: lose his life, bringing him and and and telling him that, Okay,
Speaker 1: got a spot for you, bunch with George. None of
Speaker 1: these guys new ship. You might have knew of him,
Speaker 1: but you never that would ship. Never, Um, bunch of
Speaker 1: the whole thing was, Okay, I got a job. I
Speaker 1: ain't gotta do what I was doing. I ain't got
Speaker 1: to violate my parole no more, which he was doing
Speaker 1: that every day he walked out to damn house. He
Speaker 1: was violating he was doing something. Uh, flying out of
Speaker 1: time with Sugar or whatever. But I mean, you know
Speaker 1: your brother, and when he died, I pretty much said
Speaker 1: it was my fault that that he's gone. Um, well,
Speaker 1: because you introduced him to Sugar in the first place.
Speaker 1: That and that if if me and Ouncon would like
Speaker 1: physically fought a couple of fights we had, then I
Speaker 1: think he would have seen the picture and seeing what
Speaker 1: I saw coming, what I saw coming, and he thought
Speaker 1: it was easier if I walked away when I when
Speaker 1: I was done with sugaring them, it was it was
Speaker 1: more for him to do him and the way he
Speaker 1: was getting down, and man, my brother, he wouldn't have saint,
Speaker 1: none of us was. You know what I'm saying. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just cold that my brother was killed by the
Speaker 1: things that I represented, the thing said I believe in
Speaker 1: solely believed in. And maybe if my brother wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been killed by the homies, I would probably be in
Speaker 1: the same still doing the same ship I was doing.
Speaker 1: I'd probably be over the in the hood, the big homie.
Speaker 1: But um, I just I just thought doing the shirt
Speaker 1: and putting them on the shirts. I'm just gonna always
Speaker 1: remember my brother. And that's me letting them know that
Speaker 1: I'm still here. You didn't go away in a year.
Speaker 1: You you You're still here. I'm still thinking on that
Speaker 1: for the kids, James, and why you said you will
Speaker 1: still be over there and while you got away elaborated,
Speaker 1: because that's the point that that's gonna go over a
Speaker 1: lot of people here, which mean while you walked away
Speaker 1: from the hood or why you uh don't don't deal
Speaker 1: with the guys that are still over there in the
Speaker 1: hood like that. Well, I would basically be a damned
Speaker 1: food if I stayed in the hood nor him would
Speaker 1: killed my brother? Uh? Being a blood wasn't my purpose
Speaker 1: would not was and killing bloods I was involved in
Speaker 1: the total opposite bloods was. I didn't have problems with
Speaker 1: bloods uh for the last seventeen years. Nothing. It don't
Speaker 1: matter to me right now, you know. Um, let's just
Speaker 1: out and changed my life man, and saying that. And
Speaker 1: you you you expressed that to me before that you
Speaker 1: still love the neighborhood. You just can't hang with him
Speaker 1: can be a part of anything that killed something of mind? Um,
Speaker 1: what do you think that you're putting too much of
Speaker 1: the guilt on yourself because I mean, blaming yourself for
Speaker 1: a homicide that you had nothing to directly to do with.
Speaker 1: I think it's putting too much blames. He's not saying
Speaker 1: what he really want to say about he wanted to
Speaker 1: make James pulled me to the side and told me, Reggy,
Speaker 1: get away from this ship. You need to get away
Speaker 1: from this Well, he called me junie um because that's
Speaker 1: what most people that I grew up will call me
Speaker 1: because I was a junior, and they said Juni. But
Speaker 1: he's like a little red junior. Get away from this ship.
Speaker 1: That's it ain't worth that Nigga ain't right, that Nigga
Speaker 1: is playing niggas against each other. And so if held
Speaker 1: told me that who was like a brother, you know
Speaker 1: what he really told his real brother. And that's what
Speaker 1: the guilt that he has is that he didn't make
Speaker 1: him and pull him aside and really show him the
Speaker 1: examples of how the dude was playing us against each other.
Speaker 1: We had the talks and everybody out there, no if
Speaker 1: if I've been shot by crips four times, four different occasions,
Speaker 1: not not my homies, no my not my cousin's Alton
Speaker 1: was killed by the homies cats that I'm sitting here
Speaker 1: talking about slipping my house, had keys to my house,
Speaker 1: slipping the same motherfucking room together. And then this is
Speaker 1: the result of what I get from being who I
Speaker 1: am and what I'm doing. I'm giving these guys one
Speaker 1: a hunted. I'm I'm taking a penitentiary chance. I went
Speaker 1: to the penitentiary for the neighborhood. I disrespected my mother
Speaker 1: from my neighborhood. I disrespected my sisters everything. The hood
Speaker 1: was everything to me. Everything to me. Man, And when
Speaker 1: you're when when just betrayal? Brother, just betrayal. And I'm
Speaker 1: getting a lot out of it now I'm posted, you know,
Speaker 1: sitting back playing my gunn saying I should go out
Speaker 1: and do this and do that. But what good am
Speaker 1: I if I I did something? Man? Who would have
Speaker 1: my grandson? Now? I got him because I didn't. And
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm thankful for that. Man. That's like, that's
Speaker 1: powerful because not everyone's gonna react or respond in the
Speaker 1: same way when they lose a brother. And I think
Speaker 1: you should be commended for how you handled it then
Speaker 1: and how you continue to handle it. Right. Oh, I
Speaker 1: totally agree. I I respect and I commanded. And that's
Speaker 1: why I want all of this that we're doing to
Speaker 1: work for more so James than myself, because the show
Speaker 1: that getting away and walking away is the right thing,
Speaker 1: and there's something good and positive to happen out that
Speaker 1: I like that. I know a lot of people are
Speaker 1: sitting back and wondering why uh um Mountrey got killed
Speaker 1: by one of the homies or something like that. And
Speaker 1: we'll get into that later. There's something dealing with the
Speaker 1: incident with Vincent Buchanan, but we don't touched on this
Speaker 1: death rail stuff too much. And I know we want
Speaker 1: to get on get on another topic. We'll chuch on it.
Speaker 1: We promise you guys will touch on the Vincent Buchanan
Speaker 1: situation before we move on to that. I just want
Speaker 1: to ask both of y'all, did you guys personally ever
Speaker 1: feel threatened that you was next, like maybe you can
Speaker 1: get caught in the mix. Well, like I said, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about the Vescin Buchanan situation because it was my name,
Speaker 1: it was sig name, and it was a bunty name
Speaker 1: that was on the list. For the reason that suspect
Speaker 1: that I kept my pistols on me twenty four hours
Speaker 1: a day, no matter where I went, every day for
Speaker 1: the last from from from two thousand and two to now.
Speaker 1: I don't go nowhere without it. I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear nobody tell me nigger you woo, I don't have it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you and be done with it. I
Speaker 1: don't got no time for conversation. I'm I'm just being
Speaker 1: good with with this here, with this here, all of
Speaker 1: these guys. I have moved on. I'm I'm raising my
Speaker 1: grandkids now. Uh. I'm in a good place. Just let
Speaker 1: me stay in a good place. And everybody happy, everybody happy,
Speaker 1: all those guys that won the game. Bang, y'all got that.
Speaker 1: Y'all got that. Y'all can do that. Y'all don't have
Speaker 1: me in fear and none of that. Y'all do what
Speaker 1: y'all do. I just say, for for for cats the
Speaker 1: field that they got loosens or whatever. I've been winning
Speaker 1: seventeen years to be and Lucien, I've been waiting seventeen years.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's still some residual like hatred still
Speaker 1: going on in the streets related to what was going
Speaker 1: on in two thousand and one, two and three, or
Speaker 1: can we say most of this conflict is over that
Speaker 1: that part nigger still like to talk behind our backs
Speaker 1: or not so much money, because everybody know what my
Speaker 1: situation wants. But behind James back, because he is like
Speaker 1: he turned his back up on the hood on the
Speaker 1: left the hood. But He's pretty much saying, leave me alone,
Speaker 1: and I'll leave you guys alone. Funk that blood and
Speaker 1: blood out stuff. I still love the hood, I still
Speaker 1: love where I grew up at. But leave me alone.
Speaker 1: Haven't I done enough? Haven't I lost enough? Has he?
Speaker 1: I like that? I'm gonna use that in the next
Speaker 1: I feel better now. Excuse me for crowding in front
Speaker 1: of you, miss lady. I didn't. I don't normally do that,
Speaker 1: but it's it's just a touchy subject for me because
Speaker 1: I think about my brother every day. Every day when
Speaker 1: I see my nephew, when I see his grandkids that
Speaker 1: he never got a chance to see. Um, it's always
Speaker 1: a what if if Alchin was here to be loving
Speaker 1: them girls, they'd be on their granddaddy. My daughter was
Speaker 1: the only niece he had that can go in the backyard.
Speaker 1: He raised pet bulls and they were some vicious dogs.
Speaker 1: My daughter would go back there with him. Them dogs
Speaker 1: when barking, heard them dogs when stretched at her. She
Speaker 1: would get on the backs of them and ride them,
Speaker 1: letting one of the boys. My nephews go back there,
Speaker 1: they'd be ready to eat they that's up. But he
Speaker 1: was at a special little bound with my daughter that
Speaker 1: she loved animals to death right now to day, right
Speaker 1: now to day. So you know just the impact of
Speaker 1: of of of auxins um and I'm and I want everybody. No,
Speaker 1: there's nothing like a brother. There's no such word as
Speaker 1: my my brother's keeper. I came watch him all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm not there. I wasn't there when this happened, because
Speaker 1: if I was, it might turned out different. But you know,
Speaker 1: these guys killed him at a gas station pumping his gas.
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't even see it coming. So no, no, no, Um,
Speaker 1: I got it just to clear up some records. Some
Speaker 1: rumors out there that when I'm always talking about the
Speaker 1: old white man, uh, that people have been you know,
Speaker 1: because we've been quiet on these subjects for so long. Uh,
Speaker 1: they got stuff from Nick Nix misconstrued, uh, mixed up,
Speaker 1: messed up, sucked up, whatever the word is. But buntry
Speaker 1: was in my car, uh, my vehicle that was owned
Speaker 1: by me. Um. But there's been rumors out there that
Speaker 1: we didn't heard that we you know, gonna go ahead
Speaker 1: and clear up now for those that's been misguided and
Speaker 1: mislead when they said my father, Reggie Sr. Who was
Speaker 1: the captain that the shared well captain at City Company
Speaker 1: Police Department was in the vehicle with him. No, he
Speaker 1: was not in the vehicle when Bunty got killed. He
Speaker 1: wasn't the one running down the street when he got killed,
Speaker 1: shot and kill. The only thing that we had that
Speaker 1: was involved in with that situation at that gas station
Speaker 1: was the vehicle was owned by me, which then there
Speaker 1: half like I told you earlier, the building that death
Speaker 1: Row own was owned by me. The publishing music publishing
Speaker 1: on most of the songs that was later released was
Speaker 1: owned by me. Uh. The the automobiles that ship drove
Speaker 1: around pretty much in every day, about five of them
Speaker 1: was owned by me. So and Buntry was this guy
Speaker 1: and we decided to get him a two thousand and
Speaker 1: one Denalie that was owned by me. Was that an
Speaker 1: issue for you, James, that he was old in a
Speaker 1: car that belonged to not at all, I mean, but
Speaker 1: on the reason that the subjects brought up because people
Speaker 1: out there put it out Reggie Senior because they knew
Speaker 1: what I was, so they you know, Reggie Senior was
Speaker 1: in the vehicle when when he got killed, and it
Speaker 1: was a setup that was all ps. But we know
Speaker 1: he was in the car with him, But Reggie Senior
Speaker 1: and Junior, his whole family. Uh always been good to us.
Speaker 1: We've we've always had a close bond. They lived hours
Speaker 1: away from us. Yeah, Aunty lived in the house in
Speaker 1: the middle of us Jackie and jack and any them
Speaker 1: and then your mom and dad house. We used to
Speaker 1: go to his grandma name house and go to grocery
Speaker 1: stores for him and and pick avocados out of trees
Speaker 1: for his grandma and granddad. Um. I would never think
Speaker 1: that that they would have anything. And everybody know that
Speaker 1: that's not at you right, get down. So everybody that's
Speaker 1: thinking like that, I thought, like that is stupid. But
Speaker 1: we could be manipulated, and YouTube and people with DVDs
Speaker 1: and stuff like that can manipulate and they just throw
Speaker 1: something out and to become factual. And then you wouldn't
Speaker 1: believe how many people out there would be like, oh ready,
Speaker 1: seen was in the car when don't you gotta killed
Speaker 1: and he ran and took off friend and left him.
Speaker 1: What can't believe that? I couldn't believe that. That is
Speaker 1: a crazy rumor. It is now that's the five people
Speaker 1: on the back of your shirt. James but we're gonna
Speaker 1: just mention one more person, Vince V. Buchanan, because he's
Speaker 1: closely associated with with with so you're gonna make us
Speaker 1: talk about it that real quickly. Was a good friend
Speaker 1: of mine. Uh over there in through town neighborhood. Uh.
Speaker 1: I go over there and go to house parties over
Speaker 1: there back in the days and get a dice game going.
Speaker 1: I'm watching this back he watching mind. He was a
Speaker 1: real good brother. And when he was killed, man, it
Speaker 1: was like what the you know what I'm saying now.
Speaker 1: It was it was this city here was just getting
Speaker 1: so out of hand because you had guys going to
Speaker 1: different neighborhoods, popping up in different neighborhoods, giving them ultimatums
Speaker 1: on either join us or you know, or lay down
Speaker 1: or you're you're done situation. You know. Vincent was one
Speaker 1: of the guys wouldn't having it. I never seen him
Speaker 1: in involved in none of this to my knowledge. So
Speaker 1: when I heard about Viscing being killed, I was piste off.
Speaker 1: I was I was mad at everything that had to
Speaker 1: do with death Row. I was so piste off. Uh.
Speaker 1: I had to go visit Shild I had to. I
Speaker 1: had to cuss my brother out. I had to, I
Speaker 1: mean everything that was only I had to get at
Speaker 1: them because man, this this is a good cab right here,
Speaker 1: This is a good dude right here, and that must
Speaker 1: happen later because it was in prison went on. I
Speaker 1: hated everybody, so I know where everybody was at the way.
Speaker 1: I just don't want to know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: acting nothing has something to do with what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is I was mad at death row. I was mad
Speaker 1: at bunching them because when it first came out, it
Speaker 1: was said that should had it done. So that's enough
Speaker 1: for me. But we got cleared up now. But no
Speaker 1: vising viscing was a was a I think this was
Speaker 1: two years older than me. He was he was a
Speaker 1: good brother. Everybody that lost their lives during this situation
Speaker 1: and and everything else, all of these cats were givers.
Speaker 1: That was givers. You. You didn't have not one of
Speaker 1: these cats that sit in the fact with you and
Speaker 1: say let me hit that drink. They either ball drink,
Speaker 1: bald that we did this. They was all givers. No
Speaker 1: sit back, let me hit that cigarette kind of nigger.
Speaker 1: All of these guys were good guys that was with it,
Speaker 1: and they all contribute to their hoods, to to to
Speaker 1: to the parroot card. They all represented well. And this
Speaker 1: is this is where I say, is a damn shame
Speaker 1: because a lot of the good guys lost their lives.
Speaker 1: Not none of the weenie guys. Not none of the
Speaker 1: guys that are sitting out here and and with the
Speaker 1: funny ship, None of those guys. Everybody is under the
Speaker 1: rock when these cast is getting killed, and when these
Speaker 1: cats getting killed, there's no retaliation, Well you wanna retaliate
Speaker 1: on you're killing your own people. Now it's time to go. Now,
Speaker 1: it's time to quit. But you know, I'm so furiated
Speaker 1: today that my brother's name, my brother won't quit and
Speaker 1: we wouldn't walk away from him this ship, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So now I hear my baby brother
Speaker 1: on this list. Oh fun let me go. How that
Speaker 1: this dude ship you near me go? Because it's time
Speaker 1: for him to go because if he ain't here, ain't
Speaker 1: no more cash being put out. He can't pay for
Speaker 1: this ship. So let me cut the head off this chicken,
Speaker 1: you feel me? So this is a whole different another story,
Speaker 1: but that's how it is. And Vincent was a good
Speaker 1: guy all of these guys I I would I would
Speaker 1: go to war with. And there's nobody that here, this
Speaker 1: broadcast can even come in and say none of them
Speaker 1: guys wouldn't worth a dying, wouldn't worth ship. Is it
Speaker 1: fair to say that all six of these homicides are
Speaker 1: death Row related killings? Or is it some of its
Speaker 1: street ship that's not related to death Row? How would
Speaker 1: you characterize these six homicides? All right? Let the visitor
Speaker 1: Buchanan definitely was something that death Row got blamed for
Speaker 1: that had nothing to do with with with anything. It
Speaker 1: was just what happened was Vincent was I was kidnapped,
Speaker 1: uh by guys that were dressed up like police officers,
Speaker 1: handcuffed and dropped off in front of a dropped off
Speaker 1: in front of us in the cemetery, in front of
Speaker 1: the uh in competent Uh. Why how um? I know?
Speaker 1: I understand why my name got brought up in there
Speaker 1: because of the police aspect and the uh, the handcuffs
Speaker 1: and all of that. Why buntry name got brought up
Speaker 1: into it? Why sheok names in story? Let me let
Speaker 1: me stop you right there. There was one particular cat
Speaker 1: at at our house while we were playing chess and
Speaker 1: drinking our coffee, lip dog. He's sitting here. The comment
Speaker 1: came up that they had a picture of v uh
Speaker 1: being killed, and that bunch of is so called his
Speaker 1: self supposed to had it, so that in particular that
Speaker 1: person went and took it au point his self to
Speaker 1: go tell those cats they got a picture. Bunch got
Speaker 1: a video of h Yeah, Vincent being killed. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: when that happened, there's only one motherfucker that was in
Speaker 1: their lip dog. So this guy now in the police
Speaker 1: is raising the FBI and everybody raiding the house looking forward.
Speaker 1: They took computers, they took everything that was a social
Speaker 1: you know what I'm care, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just safe to say all of these
Speaker 1: guys is tied into it, and not even the guys
Speaker 1: that we got here. There's bam, bam, bam and bam.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you from the law enforcement aspected how
Speaker 1: all of this ties in. David Brown is the guy
Speaker 1: that was suspected of being the brim was suspected of
Speaker 1: the brim. Dave was suspect could have been the uh,
Speaker 1: the shooter, or one of the guys that tortured and
Speaker 1: kidnap bits that's in Buchanan. Who house he hanging at
Speaker 1: now going to visit Buntries police, and who's running there
Speaker 1: for at the time because she was in prison when
Speaker 1: this happened. Reggie and the handcuffs and all of that.
Speaker 1: You're getting blamed for some of this stuff. I said,
Speaker 1: the three Should because Mountry and myself work for Should
Speaker 1: and who got the money to do it or for
Speaker 1: what reason. I don't know why they think Should has
Speaker 1: something to do with it, because he didn't other than
Speaker 1: what James has explained about the VHS tape, for supposedly
Speaker 1: Buntry was supposedly being watching or had possession of that
Speaker 1: uh that they heard and so that was piste off
Speaker 1: Little Rod and Georgia now, and that's why I said
Speaker 1: earlier that they made an example or they shot Brown
Speaker 1: in front of Mountry house sending them a message. Was
Speaker 1: this VHS tape a real thing or just I never
Speaker 1: saw heard about it it was growing up and said
Speaker 1: because we was having a conversation in there about everybody
Speaker 1: getting killed and about the guys that was killed before
Speaker 1: him and men Bunchery wouldn't say an out of eye
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm your brother. I'm if somebody do
Speaker 1: something to you, I got you. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So let's be on the same page. These guys just
Speaker 1: talking this and that on you. So the conversation came up.
Speaker 1: I said, watch a bunch of and I mentioned that
Speaker 1: live dogs sitting on the couch in the living room.
Speaker 1: We're sitting at the table in the kitchen playing chess.
Speaker 1: And the next thing you know, uh here come uh
Speaker 1: top Cat and and somebody else come to the house
Speaker 1: talking about and Little Rode talking about it. And after
Speaker 1: that the fans came. They raided. Now every all hell
Speaker 1: is breaking loose. They want this tape. They're going to
Speaker 1: everybody looking for this tape to people really believe it was.
Speaker 1: And I was the one that put it out there
Speaker 1: and said that to live Live heard, and it makes
Speaker 1: it seem like all of this is condensed and right
Speaker 1: next to each other. But you gotta understand that all
Speaker 1: of this is spread it apart. What they Didncekinning where
Speaker 1: you don't have it in front of you. But Vining
Speaker 1: I killed that they can ninety eight. We're talking two
Speaker 1: thousand and I think it was two thousand one. It
Speaker 1: wasn't that so it wasn't that so all that didn't
Speaker 1: happen next so mightna be two thousand but right now, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's um, that's what's that would be. And
Speaker 1: rest in peace of all them brothers. And if you
Speaker 1: want to check out James shirt, go to the Gangster
Speaker 1: Chronicles Instagram page and there's some pictures of all the
Speaker 1: close ups of everyone on that shirt. I mean, we
Speaker 1: could talk about this for well, well we'll save some
Speaker 1: of that for another day and let's move on to
Speaker 1: this week was the anniversary of what I call the
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rebellion. Some people call it a riot, they
Speaker 1: just call it a revolts um. And this is really
Speaker 1: the early stages of death row right right right when
Speaker 1: when the uprising happened and peace treaty came out of
Speaker 1: it from from Watts. And I guess the first question
Speaker 1: I have is was the riots? Was the revolt? Was
Speaker 1: the Was the rebellion a good thing for Los Angeles?
Speaker 1: Did Los Angeles need a revolt like that to wake
Speaker 1: up the city officials, to wake up local government, to
Speaker 1: wake up the police in order for some changes to
Speaker 1: take place. I said before, it makes cops be more accountable. Uh.
Speaker 1: I remember after the end of police pursuits, it used
Speaker 1: to be common or it used to be a common
Speaker 1: practice to kick ass and and and you got your
Speaker 1: ass with doctor uh, we had to chase you and
Speaker 1: being involved in the pursuit. And it made the riots
Speaker 1: and all of that made people stop. Uh, cops at
Speaker 1: least wake up and say, hey, this is not right,
Speaker 1: this is not how you know, the community want us
Speaker 1: to be policed. And one policing going on, and so
Speaker 1: that was something good. All of the people were starting
Speaker 1: to get the camp carters and the UH and the
Speaker 1: and the taps and all of that at that time.
Speaker 1: And so now things you know, so cops with being
Speaker 1: um on their toes and behaved, somebody could come out
Speaker 1: with a beach camera on you butt and take what's
Speaker 1: going on and if you're doing something wrong, yo, but
Speaker 1: might go to jail. So that was something that's good
Speaker 1: and came out and people was being educated. You remember
Speaker 1: it was a cop from Long Beach, the ex retired
Speaker 1: cop from Marthon that had that incident in Long Beach,
Speaker 1: the one that got his head thrown to the glass. Well,
Speaker 1: but if you look at it slowly, you'll see he
Speaker 1: did that, but you know, with his arms. But that's
Speaker 1: another subject. But but he was still done wrong. He
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been dead that way, but he in my opinion,
Speaker 1: you know, I was a law enforcement there, so I
Speaker 1: think he broke that glass on purpose with his arm.
Speaker 1: But the whole thing was the contact. How did they
Speaker 1: bring him out of the car, That was the issue.
Speaker 1: He had no reason to be bringing this man out
Speaker 1: of the car and prescically even doing him like that. Uh,
Speaker 1: you gotta look at it. At the at that time
Speaker 1: when they got the guilty verdict, I mean not guilty,
Speaker 1: everybody was furiated. Like I mean me personally, I'm sitting
Speaker 1: in the county jail fighting attempt of murder at the time,
Speaker 1: during the during the verdicts sting the verdict, and everybody
Speaker 1: started coming in the county jail. But everybody was coming
Speaker 1: in there for at least trying to shutifire looton are
Speaker 1: doing some stupid ship, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: I would have been out there doing the same thing
Speaker 1: if I was out there on the street, because everybody
Speaker 1: is piste off and this is everybody running the market
Speaker 1: and doing their thing. So people weren't piste off about that.
Speaker 1: People were just trying to take advantage of a situation.
Speaker 1: That's why you don't think that that black people were
Speaker 1: piste off, because these white guys got off from being
Speaker 1: the ship out of black man and they got it
Speaker 1: on camera on film and then they get a not
Speaker 1: guilty verdict. It was a lot of black people upset.
Speaker 1: But the riots and and and and the destruction of
Speaker 1: billion dollars of tearing up and burning and all of
Speaker 1: that was was done because people were just found out
Speaker 1: the law enforcement came control, that they lost control, and
Speaker 1: and that numbers have more power than than than than
Speaker 1: the law there. And that was the basic of that. Um,
Speaker 1: what's your opinion of why you didn't go to Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills and tear it up? If you made but to
Speaker 1: go to the Simi Valley, you can go, we can
Speaker 1: you got cars and stuff like that, while you don't go.
Speaker 1: Not you we called up, We cut off the areas
Speaker 1: we could. Nothing happened over there with Kymark Shopping Center
Speaker 1: and the Comptence Swap meet and all of that stuff
Speaker 1: that the text the places that was bringing money into
Speaker 1: the pond shop. Uh, Mike's nothing happened into the areas.
Speaker 1: Don't don't have the type of people l A people
Speaker 1: in the area saying, but if you're mad, that's where
Speaker 1: year ago, you don't gonna chear up what's around you.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't know. People just took them back. They just saw, hey,
Speaker 1: it's nothing the police can do. When they saw that
Speaker 1: man Reginald Dinny getting the ship kicked out of them
Speaker 1: and beat and no police was coming to respond because
Speaker 1: they knew that they wouldn't they couldn't do anything and
Speaker 1: control it. That's when people were like, oh, now you're
Speaker 1: talking about the looters. That's but we have people that
Speaker 1: were burning properties down, the same people. We don't know
Speaker 1: if those are the same people people, same people, the Chinese,
Speaker 1: the Asian people. That's all that, all this stuff in
Speaker 1: Coma at the time. But I read a study that
Speaker 1: significant amount of the damage was done by Korean owners sales. No,
Speaker 1: I'm saying a lot of the damage was done to
Speaker 1: Korean owned property, Korean owned property. That means it was
Speaker 1: it was well, we had this had the Natasha Natasha Harlan,
Speaker 1: the Natasha hard thing where we're still up set behind
Speaker 1: that where the Asian ladies shot the shot um Miss
Speaker 1: Harlan's in the back of the head and got probation.
Speaker 1: I still don't understand the probation. And the jury did
Speaker 1: their job. The jury found her guilty. If we're mad,
Speaker 1: why didn't we call that judge? What did we do
Speaker 1: to that judge? Why didn't we go after that judge?
Speaker 1: That's when you people who have to do when you're mad,
Speaker 1: and people don't They don't have faith in the system,
Speaker 1: you know. So, but we have people, we have leaders.
Speaker 1: That's what our leaders supposed to be doing it and
Speaker 1: do that. But at the time our leaders were Chief
Speaker 1: Darryl Gates, leader of the l A p D. We
Speaker 1: had Mayor Tom Bradley. You see how quickly got and
Speaker 1: and so Tom Bradley. They got rid of Tom Bradley
Speaker 1: pretty quickly. So I mean that was the beginning of
Speaker 1: of change in our local government. And I think it
Speaker 1: was the change. And your question was wasn't a good thing?
Speaker 1: And I was just saying the good things that happened
Speaker 1: from it. Yeah, I mean that to hard law enforced
Speaker 1: me to do it. That's when they realized, Okay, Darrell
Speaker 1: gatesway of piolicing is no more and that's when they
Speaker 1: try to bring Willard Williams in, you know, and they
Speaker 1: started doing the that's a police what they call it. Community. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes a city needs a good revolt
Speaker 1: and needs a wake up call be and that was
Speaker 1: worth the destruction. Hey, I mean when you think about
Speaker 1: how the United States was formed and created from thirteen
Speaker 1: colonies to fifty states and the cost to build this
Speaker 1: great country, right exactly, let me ask both of your questions.
Speaker 1: If you do and they had a riot, what do
Speaker 1: you think when when send them these police officers? What
Speaker 1: kind of message would they have perceived out of We
Speaker 1: got about not gilty and nothing happened. Now, these black
Speaker 1: people they learned when they were sitting they asked in
Speaker 1: that courtroom. And then when they when the Firs after
Speaker 1: the state dropped, they beat the state case and then
Speaker 1: the Fears picked it up. That's how you teach people
Speaker 1: lessons saying they asked to jail or send them through
Speaker 1: the system. The riots wind make over time and made
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of money. But it's an unfortunate that
Speaker 1: they couldn't get a conviction at state court that the
Speaker 1: Feds had to come in and charge these officers with
Speaker 1: civil rights violations against Rodney King because the state system
Speaker 1: did not work. But they tried. It. Ain't like they
Speaker 1: just dropped the case. It was d a rejects. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they Now if you upset that they took them just
Speaker 1: took it to send me, SENDI Valley. Absolutely, that made
Speaker 1: Now that's the reason for debate said, well, why did
Speaker 1: you take it from the peers which we all post
Speaker 1: begin You know, if our peers and took it to
Speaker 1: SENDI Valley, then that's an argument. I guess I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if that's called a change of venue because it's
Speaker 1: within the same things in the same county though, right,
Speaker 1: you know, just like but yeah, that trial should have
Speaker 1: never took place in Semi Valley. But I guess the
Speaker 1: prosecution felt so confident in the case because it was
Speaker 1: on video. We can prosecute this anywhere and get a
Speaker 1: guilty verdict. So that means that the that the system
Speaker 1: does not work in Semi Valley, or it doesn't work
Speaker 1: with the type of people in Semi Valley, which is
Speaker 1: a law enforcement town, isn't it for the wasn't so
Speaker 1: much of the law enforcement town. It was just that
Speaker 1: just like I told you, We used to think it
Speaker 1: was okay to um to deal with people the way
Speaker 1: you did. After the pursuit, you run from the police,
Speaker 1: make us chase you all over the streets. You got
Speaker 1: your ass whoop at the end of a pursuit. That
Speaker 1: was fat. That was like in writing what was going
Speaker 1: to happen. But it took that incident being on VHS
Speaker 1: this thing. Rodney kid probably be just now getting out
Speaker 1: of jail. If that man would have been videotaping that incident,
Speaker 1: um or at least he would have did fifteen or
Speaker 1: twenty years for the invading. And they were trying to
Speaker 1: get him on a robbery. Uh they I'm sure they
Speaker 1: would have said he wasn't psisting invading. Uh, they were
Speaker 1: trying to make him on a robbery case. They were,
Speaker 1: They would have would have even got him on the
Speaker 1: robbery case. He surely would have got resisted arrest, an
Speaker 1: assault on the police case based on what based on
Speaker 1: their testimony to justify all of the beatings. But he's
Speaker 1: getting hit and taste and he's happened. They didn't have
Speaker 1: a tape he was under I don't I think all
Speaker 1: those drug tests were negative. I don't think he was
Speaker 1: you all don't see on the tables, right, and King
Speaker 1: got out flicking it off, the police grabbing, grabbing his
Speaker 1: balls and throwing off. I'm just telling you what what happened.
Speaker 1: To know that happened if it wasn't on tape because
Speaker 1: the tape started late. But then, but how do you
Speaker 1: know what happened before the tape started testimony? I don't
Speaker 1: remember the testimony. Yeah, but that's what. Okay, but that's
Speaker 1: just what, right, That's just something that they're saying to
Speaker 1: justify who testified. You don't know, it's a big old
Speaker 1: rape between the LPD and c HP after all of that,
Speaker 1: because c HP actually had him in custody, there was
Speaker 1: no need for them there. They just testified and they
Speaker 1: wasn't a part of the assault. So they used them
Speaker 1: as witnesses versus informants you know, or you know, the suspect.
Speaker 1: They had to get up and testify to how they
Speaker 1: was treated at the hospital, how he was treated the
Speaker 1: whole time was the c HP who was against them.
Speaker 1: They made down witnesses against the l AP. Remember there
Speaker 1: was a commander named Bostick or Bostwick that actually testified
Speaker 1: said those those are not the tactics that we train
Speaker 1: our officers to you in the field. The judge even
Speaker 1: I believe in federal courts that forty eight of the
Speaker 1: strikes were justified. There was the ones out the forty
Speaker 1: eight that was unjustified. I didn't see the reason for
Speaker 1: all of those blows because from I understanding, I told
Speaker 1: you that was normal prior of that, and I was
Speaker 1: saying that was the good thing that came from from
Speaker 1: that incident. Well, then cops, real life, Hey, it shouldn't
Speaker 1: be happening. That's one we learned. Don't be doing that.
Speaker 1: You're as gonna go to jail you get caught doing that.
Speaker 1: But for I understand, the HP was about to handcuff
Speaker 1: him and take him into custody when l a p
Speaker 1: D came and then all of the conflict happened after
Speaker 1: the lap D came. Well, how pursuits usually happened. Wants
Speaker 1: to come into city streets, the city police take care
Speaker 1: of it once it's on the freeways, then then the
Speaker 1: c HP do the pursuing. And so it went off
Speaker 1: into the city streets, and so that's why the city
Speaker 1: police took over. But it was was initially on the highway.
Speaker 1: It was to c HP was the initiative, the initiators
Speaker 1: of it, but they pretty much just gave it off
Speaker 1: the l APD once they went into the city streets.
Speaker 1: But they could have kept that arrest, can't they. It's
Speaker 1: where the pursuit begins. They're allowed to end that pursuit
Speaker 1: no matter what city it goes into. The HP could
Speaker 1: follow that pursuit wherever, but they're not gonna have to
Speaker 1: hold all their resource following all the way down the
Speaker 1: street like that. So that's why you start using the
Speaker 1: resource from the other cities. You pass it off. It's
Speaker 1: like all passing at all. Well, it sounds like you're
Speaker 1: saying a little bit maybe Rodney King deserved what he got.
Speaker 1: I can say that. I know, I know you didn't
Speaker 1: say that, but it sounds as if that's not how
Speaker 1: if I'm coming off that way, I'm just staying you
Speaker 1: asked what good came from that, and I'm saying that's
Speaker 1: what's good came from it because it made cops understand
Speaker 1: that this is not the right way to doing policing.
Speaker 1: Because prior to that, it was like norm that's normal procedure.
Speaker 1: It wasn't written, but that's what happened. Well, and I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it was right, but that's whatever. I'm not.
Speaker 1: That's whatever. It created the largest urban uprising in American history. No,
Speaker 1: that's not what created it. Not guilty verdicts for what
Speaker 1: we saw on that video tape, combination of things, the beating. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the beating didn't create the uprising because it happened, Guilty verdicts.
Speaker 1: It was l ap D not going immediately dealing when
Speaker 1: regin no dn he was getting his bug. What when
Speaker 1: people realized that, hey, police ain't coming, they ain't doing nothing.
Speaker 1: Do you all know how long Reginald then he got beat.
Speaker 1: They were hold to stand back. Cops couldn't even go
Speaker 1: and respond. We're watching this on TV, this man getting beat.
Speaker 1: I'm sure any of l all by citizens the one
Speaker 1: they go and jump into that. But fear allowed them
Speaker 1: not to no better because he was a white man.
Speaker 1: Or what if I was a black man and I
Speaker 1: lived in that here, I wouldn't wasn't trying to go
Speaker 1: and stop that, not being a police officer or not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the uprising was already so it didn't starting to
Speaker 1: after that. They were pocket Parker Center at Parker Center
Speaker 1: had already started. They were throwing things in the front
Speaker 1: door that they they had the Ryot cops and and
Speaker 1: the theber not Reginald Danny. That beating with Reginaldanny is
Speaker 1: what started that, right, what started that? Right? But I
Speaker 1: think the uprising was already in full swing. And and
Speaker 1: and when when I saw the white boy getting his ass,
Speaker 1: will be honest, I was like, whoop, there is as
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you might see it different. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm looking at it from the street. Shod this dude.
Speaker 1: These the beat the ship was beating this man. And
Speaker 1: then the video come out and they're still on the street.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, if that was me beating the white
Speaker 1: boy and they got it on video, I would be
Speaker 1: in the penitentiary doing thirty forty years and they probably
Speaker 1: would have put an ail on it. If you go
Speaker 1: out to the four Voice for beating that white man,
Speaker 1: they got found not guilty. No, what're calling? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: think Damnon did the most time. But eventually they all
Speaker 1: got out after a while. For god damn, they did
Speaker 1: the same thing the police did. It's caught on film. Well, y'all,
Speaker 1: don't let them out. It's it's it's the man, they
Speaker 1: get away with it every day, every day. So do
Speaker 1: you think we've made a lot of progress from James
Speaker 1: from Yes, I believe so, because I think it would
Speaker 1: have been way worse if they would have never filmed
Speaker 1: this happening. And I think that it would have just
Speaker 1: got worser how the police was treating us back in
Speaker 1: them days up until now. Yeah, it probably it's probably
Speaker 1: been more killings if this wouldn't have happened, because now
Speaker 1: they got to reevaluate everything that they're doing because they
Speaker 1: know they might get caught doing it. And and as
Speaker 1: we see on TV, some of them is getting caught
Speaker 1: by this. If we didn't have this, they all walked
Speaker 1: because in the in the eyes of the law, a
Speaker 1: police officer is not wrong. You noticed that whenever a
Speaker 1: cop is charged or indicted in these cases, it has
Speaker 1: to be on camera. It has it's not the the
Speaker 1: eyewitness testimony of a civilian is never enough to charge
Speaker 1: the police. And like nineties something percent of these cases,
Speaker 1: it has to be on camera in order for the
Speaker 1: cops to be forced to be accountable for whatever they do.
Speaker 1: And I think that Rodney king beating is an example
Speaker 1: of that. Even though they were found not guilty in
Speaker 1: state court. Uh, they were found guilty in um federal court.
Speaker 1: I thought it was amazing back then that actually President
Speaker 1: George Bush, the first George Bush, he came on TV
Speaker 1: and said what he saw was deplorable and that they
Speaker 1: were going to have the Judice Department investigated. But you
Speaker 1: gotta remember what was happening for six days. You know,
Speaker 1: he had to end up saying he sent the Marines down.
Speaker 1: Pete Wilson, who was the government at the time, he
Speaker 1: sent the National Guards and the city mayors. This is
Speaker 1: the fact that the city of Long Beach, Compton, in
Speaker 1: l a Guardino, they were crying and they were, you know,
Speaker 1: save our city. They were people were burning their tax basis.
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't all the big walmarts and home
Speaker 1: depots and all that in the city. You had comptence
Speaker 1: wanted me. You know, we were lucky to have came
Speaker 1: on National National roof over there. Yeah, just like they
Speaker 1: did in Beverly Hills. They'd take it. All of that.
Speaker 1: All of that happened later though. I'm just saying, yea,
Speaker 1: make it seem like it happened that day. The people
Speaker 1: would that smarty. It took a while to go, but yeah,
Speaker 1: people were starting to get smart to go down to
Speaker 1: l A and to Beverly Hill. But like James, they
Speaker 1: posted up there because they had to stop it. But
Speaker 1: all of that happened, you know, and within that six
Speaker 1: day time time frame. But I was on the streets,
Speaker 1: I think three days. The WATS was six days. This
Speaker 1: credit for six days. I think the watch Riots of
Speaker 1: sixty five was six days, and the h ninety two
Speaker 1: was April nine, and then May one, I think May one.
Speaker 1: It was a rap right to the April nine, maybe
Speaker 1: a second, and it took a while for it to
Speaker 1: die down, but you know, and they could be calling,
Speaker 1: uh the truths and when the game made were started
Speaker 1: getting in damage. All right, let me have final quillion
Speaker 1: dollars damaged, twelve twelve thousand people hurt, I'm sorry, twelve
Speaker 1: thousand people arrested, and um something else about sixty people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sixty something people die and to two thousand something people
Speaker 1: hurt and result of the right. Right before we wrapped
Speaker 1: the show up on off Um asked this final question,
Speaker 1: do you think that Los Angeles can have another uprising
Speaker 1: like that? Again? We had nineteen sixty five and then
Speaker 1: twenty seven years later, we have nineteen ninety two. Could
Speaker 1: it happen again in our city? Yeah, if Donald Trump
Speaker 1: went I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm I'm if Donald Trump
Speaker 1: went again. I think there's so many distractions that the
Speaker 1: common citizen has that they're not really focused and eating
Speaker 1: on on, like the politics of what's going on because
Speaker 1: everyone's on social media there on your their phones and
Speaker 1: on Instagram, on Facebook and ninety two, none of this
Speaker 1: existed when you saw it on the news, ABC News, CBS,
Speaker 1: and they most of them don't watch TV anymore. Media, Yes,
Speaker 1: they do. In the nineties. It was that what made
Speaker 1: that riot grow. That's when they say him this man
Speaker 1: getting beat And it wasn't because because it was a
Speaker 1: white man, like Jay said, It's like people felt, oh, well,
Speaker 1: it's a white man in his ass, Why is he
Speaker 1: driving a truck down? Why he got that job anyway?
Speaker 1: Why the ain't a mean black man with that job anyway?
Speaker 1: You know Florence and Normandy. But when they saw they
Speaker 1: was able to get away and the police weren't doing nothing,
Speaker 1: that's when people are like, whoa, the police ain't doing
Speaker 1: anything about this? Just when when when he was getting
Speaker 1: his ass whooping and snatched up that truck. It was
Speaker 1: other people getting beach with bad shouldn't bridge and all
Speaker 1: another ship. They went mad at black folks. They what
Speaker 1: matter black people? They were the white people. It was
Speaker 1: white people that he was just a white person that
Speaker 1: happened to be in were you we're talking about? The
Speaker 1: came about and you went to school and start beating
Speaker 1: up the white kids. W the white kids in our schools.
Speaker 1: My schooling was white kids. I would say school you
Speaker 1: went to no, not no. I went to drive too.
Speaker 1: I went to uh, which Ruth came out when I
Speaker 1: was saying. They came out next time for you was
Speaker 1: in the fourth grade and we beat up kids. That's school,
Speaker 1: all right. Fellas, Thanks for tuning into another episode of
Speaker 1: The Gangster Chronicles. I'm gonna like Reggie and James arguing
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