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Speaker 1: Okay, welcome to another episode of The Gangster Chronicles. This

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Speaker 1: episode five. My name is Alex Alonso, and to my

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Speaker 1: right is right, and to his right James McDonald. Man,

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Speaker 1: how you guys doing today? Man, I'm good with my brother.

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Speaker 1: How you doing? Man? Just uh, seems like a NonStop man,

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Speaker 1: NonStop working man. So how was your week? I'm reggy

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Speaker 1: you had a big week. I had a big No week,

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Speaker 1: didn't happen. Everything's good with you. I'm good today. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I guess we ain't gonna go into that right now.

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Speaker 1: Maybe another episode, how about you, James? Oh, Man, mine

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Speaker 1: was the grand baby. You know, I'm raising my my daughters. Sean.

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Speaker 1: I've been having me four years, so a little over

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Speaker 1: a year. Every weekend is me and him. That's a

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Speaker 1: beautiful thing. Yeah, every weekend. But last week, man, you

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Speaker 1: wore this incredible T shirt, not even a T shirt,

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Speaker 1: was a button down shirt, right, just a T shirt.

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Speaker 1: And on the back of the T shirt you had

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Speaker 1: some rest in pieces. Uh, some of the homies that

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Speaker 1: were closely associated with you and death Row records. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well everybody on the back of the T shirt was

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Speaker 1: close to me. Um, I've knowing these guys for years

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Speaker 1: and you know they lost their lives. Uh dinner with

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Speaker 1: the the Ends and out of death Row and all

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Speaker 1: the bs that's going on. So I was just sitting

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Speaker 1: back thinking of actually doing a T shirt for our podcast,

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Speaker 1: and the guy that did it put um documentary on

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Speaker 1: the front instead of against the chronicles. So it turned

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Speaker 1: in to be for for for the documentary. But my

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Speaker 1: whole thing was how do I get these guys out

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Speaker 1: here and so people don't forget them and forget what

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Speaker 1: everybody went through. So instead of just being selfish and

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Speaker 1: putting my brother on the T shirt and saying his

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Speaker 1: Alta mcdonaldy lost his life, you know, through death Row,

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Speaker 1: I sent him to get all of them. I had

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Speaker 1: passionate love for all of these guys, so I had

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Speaker 1: it hooked up. I had more faces to put on there.

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Speaker 1: But it was just like a promo, something to see

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Speaker 1: And everybody was. They loving it. They want to order

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Speaker 1: T shirts. Everybody said that was that was a good look,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciated that. So now I have people want

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Speaker 1: to buy the T shirt. I'm telling everybody that there's

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Speaker 1: no way where I can sell that T shirt and

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Speaker 1: to benefit off of that. To me, it is like

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Speaker 1: benefit of from my brother. Well, you can sell the

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Speaker 1: shirt and then give the proceeds to an important cause. Well,

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Speaker 1: what I did was hook my one of my homeboys.

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Speaker 1: This is in Detroit, UH, Chicago, UH, New York, all

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Speaker 1: and he got linked to all of them. So all

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Speaker 1: centing in their sizes for the shirt. And I hooked

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Speaker 1: him up directly with the guy that's doing the shirt.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not getting the dime out of it. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to dime out of it. So everybody, I

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Speaker 1: You'll never forget them. Now, for those let me go,

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Speaker 1: because if you know anything about James and history, you'll

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Speaker 1: ever listened to are step point on Firth. You know

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Speaker 1: some man. You do it. You got what you're writing,

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Speaker 1: and he'll fight is uh and getting money to lawyer.

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Speaker 1: You do it. I know that. Well, for those who

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Speaker 1: and let me just describe the shirt a little bit.

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Speaker 1: There's five people. Even though there's more than five people

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Speaker 1: of those on the Instagram page. And let's just talk

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Speaker 1: about those five people. Let's start off with a person

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Speaker 1: number one, Wardale Pucci Fuss died July three. Pucci was remembered,

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Speaker 1: you know, part of the UH security on death Road.

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Speaker 1: Me and him was cool. Uh, we never really hung

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Speaker 1: see that this right here, everything that happened to death Row,

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Speaker 1: it didn't only affect me, It affected everybody. All these

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Speaker 1: And that's what the shirt tell you. You don't have

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Speaker 1: to ask who is Bunchy, who was hand off? The

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Speaker 1: shirt tells itself. You spoke about Fusts is what faults.

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Speaker 1: Some people know him Darnielle Bolton, but you and he's

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Speaker 1: better known. And and I'm saying, Reggie is just this

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Speaker 1: Biggie Small. How sure? How how sure do you feel

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Speaker 1: about that? Well? None of us sure, But that's what

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Speaker 1: Gray Cating's are you over that he was involved in

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Speaker 1: the biggiest killing? Yes? Was he the driver of the

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Speaker 1: And I guess a lot of people might have some

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Speaker 1: I think we have heard of cops dirty cops involved

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it past Pucci. I'm in the man gone.

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Speaker 1: him than he already got. Uh. The guy was it

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Speaker 1: But I wanted the first shirt to say that I

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Speaker 1: Pucci was in the car when he got shot up

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Speaker 1: with Chen. Well, go ahead, and he's gonna tell us

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Speaker 1: a little bit about Chien. William Chinn Walker. He was

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Speaker 1: killed April seven, April four, two thousand. He was thirty

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Speaker 1: Any any last thoughts on on Shin. What do you

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Speaker 1: think of Reggie that he put him on the shirt? Well,

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Speaker 1: I had no problem with I of history and to

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Speaker 1: what most people that I grew up will call me

428
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: because I was a junior, and they said Juni. But

429
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: he's like a little red junior. Get away from this ship.

430
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: That's it ain't worth that Nigga ain't right, that Nigga

431
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: is playing niggas against each other. And so if held

432
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: told me that who was like a brother, you know

433
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: what he really told his real brother. And that's what

434
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: the guilt that he has is that he didn't make

435
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: him and pull him aside and really show him the

436
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: examples of how the dude was playing us against each other.

437
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: We had the talks and everybody out there, no if

438
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: if I've been shot by crips four times, four different occasions,

439
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: not not my homies, no my not my cousin's Alton

440
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: was killed by the homies cats that I'm sitting here

441
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: talking about slipping my house, had keys to my house,

442
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: slipping the same motherfucking room together. And then this is

443
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: the result of what I get from being who I

444
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: am and what I'm doing. I'm giving these guys one

445
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: a hunted. I'm I'm taking a penitentiary chance. I went

446
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: to the penitentiary for the neighborhood. I disrespected my mother

447
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: from my neighborhood. I disrespected my sisters everything. The hood

448
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: was everything to me. Everything to me. Man, And when

449
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: you're when when just betrayal? Brother, just betrayal. And I'm

450
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: getting a lot out of it now I'm posted, you know,

451
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: sitting back playing my gunn saying I should go out

452
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: and do this and do that. But what good am

453
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: I if I I did something? Man? Who would have

454
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: my grandson? Now? I got him because I didn't. And

455
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm thankful for that. Man. That's like, that's

456
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: powerful because not everyone's gonna react or respond in the

457
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: same way when they lose a brother. And I think

458
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: you should be commended for how you handled it then

459
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: and how you continue to handle it. Right. Oh, I

460
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: totally agree. I I respect and I commanded. And that's

461
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: why I want all of this that we're doing to

462
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: work for more so James than myself, because the show

463
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: that getting away and walking away is the right thing,

464
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: and there's something good and positive to happen out that

465
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: I like that. I know a lot of people are

466
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: sitting back and wondering why uh um Mountrey got killed

467
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: by one of the homies or something like that. And

468
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: we'll get into that later. There's something dealing with the

469
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: incident with Vincent Buchanan, but we don't touched on this

470
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: death rail stuff too much. And I know we want

471
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: to get on get on another topic. We'll chuch on it.

472
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: We promise you guys will touch on the Vincent Buchanan

473
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: situation before we move on to that. I just want

474
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: to ask both of y'all, did you guys personally ever

475
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: feel threatened that you was next, like maybe you can

476
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: get caught in the mix. Well, like I said, we'll

477
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: talk about the Vescin Buchanan situation because it was my name,

478
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: it was sig name, and it was a bunty name

479
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: that was on the list. For the reason that suspect

480
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: that I kept my pistols on me twenty four hours

481
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: a day, no matter where I went, every day for

482
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: the last from from from two thousand and two to now.

483
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: I don't go nowhere without it. I don't want to

484
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: hear nobody tell me nigger you woo, I don't have it.

485
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you and be done with it. I

486
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: don't got no time for conversation. I'm I'm just being

487
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: good with with this here, with this here, all of

488
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: these guys. I have moved on. I'm I'm raising my

489
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: grandkids now. Uh. I'm in a good place. Just let

490
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: me stay in a good place. And everybody happy, everybody happy,

491
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: all those guys that won the game. Bang, y'all got that.

492
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: Y'all got that. Y'all can do that. Y'all don't have

493
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: me in fear and none of that. Y'all do what

494
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: y'all do. I just say, for for for cats the

495
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: field that they got loosens or whatever. I've been winning

496
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: seventeen years to be and Lucien, I've been waiting seventeen years.

497
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: Do you think there's still some residual like hatred still

498
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: going on in the streets related to what was going

499
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: on in two thousand and one, two and three, or

500
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: can we say most of this conflict is over that

501
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: that part nigger still like to talk behind our backs

502
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: or not so much money, because everybody know what my

503
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 1: situation wants. But behind James back, because he is like

504
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: he turned his back up on the hood on the

505
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: left the hood. But He's pretty much saying, leave me alone,

506
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: and I'll leave you guys alone. Funk that blood and

507
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: blood out stuff. I still love the hood, I still

508
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: love where I grew up at. But leave me alone.

509
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: Haven't I done enough? Haven't I lost enough? Has he?

510
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: I like that? I'm gonna use that in the next

511
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: I feel better now. Excuse me for crowding in front

512
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: of you, miss lady. I didn't. I don't normally do that,

513
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: but it's it's just a touchy subject for me because

514
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: I think about my brother every day. Every day when

515
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: I see my nephew, when I see his grandkids that

516
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: he never got a chance to see. Um, it's always

517
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: a what if if Alchin was here to be loving

518
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: them girls, they'd be on their granddaddy. My daughter was

519
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: the only niece he had that can go in the backyard.

520
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: He raised pet bulls and they were some vicious dogs.

521
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: My daughter would go back there with him. Them dogs

522
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: when barking, heard them dogs when stretched at her. She

523
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: would get on the backs of them and ride them,

524
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: letting one of the boys. My nephews go back there,

525
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: they'd be ready to eat they that's up. But he

526
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: was at a special little bound with my daughter that

527
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: she loved animals to death right now to day, right

528
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: now to day. So you know just the impact of

529
00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: of of of auxins um and I'm and I want everybody. No,

530
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: there's nothing like a brother. There's no such word as

531
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: my my brother's keeper. I came watch him all the time.

532
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: I'm not there. I wasn't there when this happened, because

533
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: if I was, it might turned out different. But you know,

534
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: these guys killed him at a gas station pumping his gas.

535
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't even see it coming. So no, no, no, Um,

536
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: I got it just to clear up some records. Some

537
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: rumors out there that when I'm always talking about the

538
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: old white man, uh, that people have been you know,

539
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: because we've been quiet on these subjects for so long. Uh,

540
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: they got stuff from Nick Nix misconstrued, uh, mixed up,

541
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: messed up, sucked up, whatever the word is. But buntry

542
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: was in my car, uh, my vehicle that was owned

543
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: by me. Um. But there's been rumors out there that

544
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: we didn't heard that we you know, gonna go ahead

545
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: and clear up now for those that's been misguided and

546
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: mislead when they said my father, Reggie Sr. Who was

547
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: the captain that the shared well captain at City Company

548
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: Police Department was in the vehicle with him. No, he

549
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: was not in the vehicle when Bunty got killed. He

550
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: wasn't the one running down the street when he got killed,

551
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: shot and kill. The only thing that we had that

552
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: was involved in with that situation at that gas station

553
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: was the vehicle was owned by me, which then there

554
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: half like I told you earlier, the building that death

555
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: Row own was owned by me. The publishing music publishing

556
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: on most of the songs that was later released was

557
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: owned by me. Uh. The the automobiles that ship drove

558
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: around pretty much in every day, about five of them

559
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: was owned by me. So and Buntry was this guy

560
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: and we decided to get him a two thousand and

561
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: one Denalie that was owned by me. Was that an

562
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: issue for you, James, that he was old in a

563
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: car that belonged to not at all, I mean, but

564
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: on the reason that the subjects brought up because people

565
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 1: out there put it out Reggie Senior because they knew

566
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: what I was, so they you know, Reggie Senior was

567
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: in the vehicle when when he got killed, and it

568
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: was a setup that was all ps. But we know

569
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: he was in the car with him, But Reggie Senior

570
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: and Junior, his whole family. Uh always been good to us.

571
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: We've we've always had a close bond. They lived hours

572
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: away from us. Yeah, Aunty lived in the house in

573
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: the middle of us Jackie and jack and any them

574
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: and then your mom and dad house. We used to

575
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: go to his grandma name house and go to grocery

576
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: stores for him and and pick avocados out of trees

577
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: for his grandma and granddad. Um. I would never think

578
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: that that they would have anything. And everybody know that

579
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: that's not at you right, get down. So everybody that's

580
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: thinking like that, I thought, like that is stupid. But

581
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: we could be manipulated, and YouTube and people with DVDs

582
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: and stuff like that can manipulate and they just throw

583
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: something out and to become factual. And then you wouldn't

584
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: believe how many people out there would be like, oh ready,

585
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 1: seen was in the car when don't you gotta killed

586
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: and he ran and took off friend and left him.

587
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: What can't believe that? I couldn't believe that. That is

588
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: a crazy rumor. It is now that's the five people

589
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: on the back of your shirt. James but we're gonna

590
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: just mention one more person, Vince V. Buchanan, because he's

591
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: closely associated with with with so you're gonna make us

592
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: talk about it that real quickly. Was a good friend

593
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: of mine. Uh over there in through town neighborhood. Uh.

594
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: I go over there and go to house parties over

595
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: there back in the days and get a dice game going.

596
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: I'm watching this back he watching mind. He was a

597
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: real good brother. And when he was killed, man, it

598
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: was like what the you know what I'm saying now.

599
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: It was it was this city here was just getting

600
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: so out of hand because you had guys going to

601
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: different neighborhoods, popping up in different neighborhoods, giving them ultimatums

602
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,959
Speaker 1: on either join us or you know, or lay down

603
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: or you're you're done situation. You know. Vincent was one

604
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: of the guys wouldn't having it. I never seen him

605
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: in involved in none of this to my knowledge. So

606
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: when I heard about Viscing being killed, I was piste off.

607
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: I was I was mad at everything that had to

608
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 1: do with death Row. I was so piste off. Uh.

609
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: I had to go visit Shild I had to. I

610
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: had to cuss my brother out. I had to, I

611
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: mean everything that was only I had to get at

612
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: them because man, this this is a good cab right here,

613
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: This is a good dude right here, and that must

614
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: happen later because it was in prison went on. I

615
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: hated everybody, so I know where everybody was at the way.

616
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: I just don't want to know what I'm saying. I

617
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: acting nothing has something to do with what I'm saying

618
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: is I was mad at death row. I was mad

619
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: at bunching them because when it first came out, it

620
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: was said that should had it done. So that's enough

621
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: for me. But we got cleared up now. But no

622
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: vising viscing was a was a I think this was

623
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: two years older than me. He was he was a

624
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: good brother. Everybody that lost their lives during this situation

625
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: and and everything else, all of these cats were givers.

626
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: That was givers. You. You didn't have not one of

627
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: these cats that sit in the fact with you and

628
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: say let me hit that drink. They either ball drink,

629
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: bald that we did this. They was all givers. No

630
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: sit back, let me hit that cigarette kind of nigger.

631
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: All of these guys were good guys that was with it,

632
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 1: and they all contribute to their hoods, to to to

633
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: to the parroot card. They all represented well. And this

634
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: is this is where I say, is a damn shame

635
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: because a lot of the good guys lost their lives.

636
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: Not none of the weenie guys. Not none of the

637
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: guys that are sitting out here and and with the

638
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: funny ship, None of those guys. Everybody is under the

639
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: rock when these cast is getting killed, and when these

640
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: cats getting killed, there's no retaliation, Well you wanna retaliate

641
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: on you're killing your own people. Now it's time to go. Now,

642
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: it's time to quit. But you know, I'm so furiated

643
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: today that my brother's name, my brother won't quit and

644
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: we wouldn't walk away from him this ship, you know

645
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So now I hear my baby brother

646
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: on this list. Oh fun let me go. How that

647
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: this dude ship you near me go? Because it's time

648
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: for him to go because if he ain't here, ain't

649
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: no more cash being put out. He can't pay for

650
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: this ship. So let me cut the head off this chicken,

651
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 1: you feel me? So this is a whole different another story,

652
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: but that's how it is. And Vincent was a good

653
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: guy all of these guys I I would I would

654
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: go to war with. And there's nobody that here, this

655
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: broadcast can even come in and say none of them

656
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: guys wouldn't worth a dying, wouldn't worth ship. Is it

657
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: fair to say that all six of these homicides are

658
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: death Row related killings? Or is it some of its

659
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: street ship that's not related to death Row? How would

660
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: you characterize these six homicides? All right? Let the visitor

661
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: Buchanan definitely was something that death Row got blamed for

662
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: that had nothing to do with with with anything. It

663
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: was just what happened was Vincent was I was kidnapped,

664
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: uh by guys that were dressed up like police officers,

665
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: handcuffed and dropped off in front of a dropped off

666
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: in front of us in the cemetery, in front of

667
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: the uh in competent Uh. Why how um? I know?

668
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: I understand why my name got brought up in there

669
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: because of the police aspect and the uh, the handcuffs

670
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: and all of that. Why buntry name got brought up

671
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: into it? Why sheok names in story? Let me let

672
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: me stop you right there. There was one particular cat

673
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: at at our house while we were playing chess and

674
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: drinking our coffee, lip dog. He's sitting here. The comment

675
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: came up that they had a picture of v uh

676
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: being killed, and that bunch of is so called his

677
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: self supposed to had it, so that in particular that

678
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: person went and took it au point his self to

679
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: go tell those cats they got a picture. Bunch got

680
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: a video of h Yeah, Vincent being killed. Yeah, so

681
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: when that happened, there's only one motherfucker that was in

682
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: their lip dog. So this guy now in the police

683
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: is raising the FBI and everybody raiding the house looking forward.

684
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: They took computers, they took everything that was a social

685
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,959
Speaker 1: you know what I'm care, you know what I'm saying.

686
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just safe to say all of these

687
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: guys is tied into it, and not even the guys

688
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: that we got here. There's bam, bam, bam and bam.

689
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: Let me tell you from the law enforcement aspected how

690
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: all of this ties in. David Brown is the guy

691
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: that was suspected of being the brim was suspected of

692
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: the brim. Dave was suspect could have been the uh,

693
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: the shooter, or one of the guys that tortured and

694
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: kidnap bits that's in Buchanan. Who house he hanging at

695
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: now going to visit Buntries police, and who's running there

696
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: for at the time because she was in prison when

697
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: this happened. Reggie and the handcuffs and all of that.

698
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: You're getting blamed for some of this stuff. I said,

699
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: the three Should because Mountry and myself work for Should

700
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: and who got the money to do it or for

701
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: what reason. I don't know why they think Should has

702
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: something to do with it, because he didn't other than

703
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: what James has explained about the VHS tape, for supposedly

704
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: Buntry was supposedly being watching or had possession of that

705
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: uh that they heard and so that was piste off

706
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: Little Rod and Georgia now, and that's why I said

707
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: earlier that they made an example or they shot Brown

708
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: in front of Mountry house sending them a message. Was

709
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: this VHS tape a real thing or just I never

710
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: saw heard about it it was growing up and said

711
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: because we was having a conversation in there about everybody

712
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: getting killed and about the guys that was killed before

713
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: him and men Bunchery wouldn't say an out of eye

714
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm your brother. I'm if somebody do

715
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: something to you, I got you. You know what I'm saying.

716
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: So let's be on the same page. These guys just

717
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: talking this and that on you. So the conversation came up.

718
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: I said, watch a bunch of and I mentioned that

719
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: live dogs sitting on the couch in the living room.

720
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 1: We're sitting at the table in the kitchen playing chess.

721
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: And the next thing you know, uh here come uh

722
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: top Cat and and somebody else come to the house

723
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: talking about and Little Rode talking about it. And after

724
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: that the fans came. They raided. Now every all hell

725
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: is breaking loose. They want this tape. They're going to

726
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: everybody looking for this tape to people really believe it was.

727
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: And I was the one that put it out there

728
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: and said that to live Live heard, and it makes

729
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: it seem like all of this is condensed and right

730
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: next to each other. But you gotta understand that all

731
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: of this is spread it apart. What they Didncekinning where

732
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: you don't have it in front of you. But Vining

733
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: I killed that they can ninety eight. We're talking two

734
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: thousand and I think it was two thousand one. It

735
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: wasn't that so it wasn't that so all that didn't

736
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: happen next so mightna be two thousand but right now, right, yeah,

737
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's um, that's what's that would be. And

738
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: rest in peace of all them brothers. And if you

739
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 1: want to check out James shirt, go to the Gangster

740
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: Chronicles Instagram page and there's some pictures of all the

741
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: close ups of everyone on that shirt. I mean, we

742
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: could talk about this for well, well we'll save some

743
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: of that for another day and let's move on to

744
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: this week was the anniversary of what I call the

745
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rebellion. Some people call it a riot, they

746
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: just call it a revolts um. And this is really

747
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: the early stages of death row right right right when

748
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: when the uprising happened and peace treaty came out of

749
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: it from from Watts. And I guess the first question

750
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: I have is was the riots? Was the revolt? Was

751
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: the Was the rebellion a good thing for Los Angeles?

752
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: Did Los Angeles need a revolt like that to wake

753
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: up the city officials, to wake up local government, to

754
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: wake up the police in order for some changes to

755
00:45:53,840 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: take place. I said before, it makes cops be more accountable. Uh.

756
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: I remember after the end of police pursuits, it used

757
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: to be common or it used to be a common

758
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: practice to kick ass and and and you got your

759
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: ass with doctor uh, we had to chase you and

760
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: being involved in the pursuit. And it made the riots

761
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: and all of that made people stop. Uh, cops at

762
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: least wake up and say, hey, this is not right,

763
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: this is not how you know, the community want us

764
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: to be policed. And one policing going on, and so

765
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: that was something good. All of the people were starting

766
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: to get the camp carters and the UH and the

767
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: and the taps and all of that at that time.

768
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: And so now things you know, so cops with being

769
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: um on their toes and behaved, somebody could come out

770
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: with a beach camera on you butt and take what's

771
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: going on and if you're doing something wrong, yo, but

772
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: might go to jail. So that was something that's good

773
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 1: and came out and people was being educated. You remember

774
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: it was a cop from Long Beach, the ex retired

775
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 1: cop from Marthon that had that incident in Long Beach,

776
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: the one that got his head thrown to the glass. Well,

777
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: but if you look at it slowly, you'll see he

778
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: did that, but you know, with his arms. But that's

779
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: another subject. But but he was still done wrong. He

780
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been dead that way, but he in my opinion,

781
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, I was a law enforcement there, so I

782
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: think he broke that glass on purpose with his arm.

783
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: But the whole thing was the contact. How did they

784
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 1: bring him out of the car, That was the issue.

785
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: He had no reason to be bringing this man out

786
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: of the car and prescically even doing him like that. Uh,

787
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: you gotta look at it. At the at that time

788
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: when they got the guilty verdict, I mean not guilty,

789
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: everybody was furiated. Like I mean me personally, I'm sitting

790
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: in the county jail fighting attempt of murder at the time,

791
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: during the during the verdicts sting the verdict, and everybody

792
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: started coming in the county jail. But everybody was coming

793
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: in there for at least trying to shutifire looton are

794
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: doing some stupid ship, you know what I'm saying. But

795
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: I would have been out there doing the same thing

796
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: if I was out there on the street, because everybody

797
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: is piste off and this is everybody running the market

798
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: and doing their thing. So people weren't piste off about that.

799
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: People were just trying to take advantage of a situation.

800
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: That's why you don't think that that black people were

801
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: piste off, because these white guys got off from being

802
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: the ship out of black man and they got it

803
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: on camera on film and then they get a not

804
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: guilty verdict. It was a lot of black people upset.

805
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: But the riots and and and and the destruction of

806
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: billion dollars of tearing up and burning and all of

807
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: that was was done because people were just found out

808
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: the law enforcement came control, that they lost control, and

809
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: and that numbers have more power than than than than

810
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: the law there. And that was the basic of that. Um,

811
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: what's your opinion of why you didn't go to Beverly

812
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: Hills and tear it up? If you made but to

813
00:48:58,239 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: go to the Simi Valley, you can go, we can

814
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: you got cars and stuff like that, while you don't go.

815
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: Not you we called up, We cut off the areas

816
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: we could. Nothing happened over there with Kymark Shopping Center

817
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: and the Comptence Swap meet and all of that stuff

818
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: that the text the places that was bringing money into

819
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: the pond shop. Uh, Mike's nothing happened into the areas.

820
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: Don't don't have the type of people l A people

821
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: in the area saying, but if you're mad, that's where

822
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: year ago, you don't gonna chear up what's around you.

823
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: You shouldn't know. People just took them back. They just saw, hey,

824
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: it's nothing the police can do. When they saw that

825
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: man Reginald Dinny getting the ship kicked out of them

826
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: and beat and no police was coming to respond because

827
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: they knew that they wouldn't they couldn't do anything and

828
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: control it. That's when people were like, oh, now you're

829
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: talking about the looters. That's but we have people that

830
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: were burning properties down, the same people. We don't know

831
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: if those are the same people people, same people, the Chinese,

832
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: the Asian people. That's all that, all this stuff in

833
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: Coma at the time. But I read a study that

834
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: significant amount of the damage was done by Korean owners sales. No,

835
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: I'm saying a lot of the damage was done to

836
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: Korean owned property, Korean owned property. That means it was

837
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: it was well, we had this had the Natasha Natasha Harlan,

838
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: the Natasha hard thing where we're still up set behind

839
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: that where the Asian ladies shot the shot um Miss

840
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: Harlan's in the back of the head and got probation.

841
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: I still don't understand the probation. And the jury did

842
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: their job. The jury found her guilty. If we're mad,

843
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: why didn't we call that judge? What did we do

844
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: to that judge? Why didn't we go after that judge?

845
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: That's when you people who have to do when you're mad,

846
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: and people don't They don't have faith in the system,

847
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 1: you know. So, but we have people, we have leaders.

848
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: That's what our leaders supposed to be doing it and

849
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: do that. But at the time our leaders were Chief

850
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: Darryl Gates, leader of the l A p D. We

851
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: had Mayor Tom Bradley. You see how quickly got and

852
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: and so Tom Bradley. They got rid of Tom Bradley

853
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: pretty quickly. So I mean that was the beginning of

854
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: of change in our local government. And I think it

855
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: was the change. And your question was wasn't a good thing?

856
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: And I was just saying the good things that happened

857
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: from it. Yeah, I mean that to hard law enforced

858
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: me to do it. That's when they realized, Okay, Darrell

859
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: gatesway of piolicing is no more and that's when they

860
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: try to bring Willard Williams in, you know, and they

861
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: started doing the that's a police what they call it. Community. Yeah,

862
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes a city needs a good revolt

863
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: and needs a wake up call be and that was

864
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: worth the destruction. Hey, I mean when you think about

865
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: how the United States was formed and created from thirteen

866
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: colonies to fifty states and the cost to build this

867
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: great country, right exactly, let me ask both of your questions.

868
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: If you do and they had a riot, what do

869
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: you think when when send them these police officers? What

870
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: kind of message would they have perceived out of We

871
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: got about not gilty and nothing happened. Now, these black

872
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: people they learned when they were sitting they asked in

873
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: that courtroom. And then when they when the Firs after

874
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: the state dropped, they beat the state case and then

875
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: the Fears picked it up. That's how you teach people

876
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: lessons saying they asked to jail or send them through

877
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: the system. The riots wind make over time and made

878
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of money. But it's an unfortunate that

879
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: they couldn't get a conviction at state court that the

880
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: Feds had to come in and charge these officers with

881
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: civil rights violations against Rodney King because the state system

882
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: did not work. But they tried. It. Ain't like they

883
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: just dropped the case. It was d a rejects. Yeah,

884
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: they Now if you upset that they took them just

885
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: took it to send me, SENDI Valley. Absolutely, that made

886
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: Now that's the reason for debate said, well, why did

887
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: you take it from the peers which we all post

888
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: begin You know, if our peers and took it to

889
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: SENDI Valley, then that's an argument. I guess I'm not

890
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: sure if that's called a change of venue because it's

891
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: within the same things in the same county though, right,

892
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, just like but yeah, that trial should have

893
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: never took place in Semi Valley. But I guess the

894
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: prosecution felt so confident in the case because it was

895
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: on video. We can prosecute this anywhere and get a

896
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 1: guilty verdict. So that means that the that the system

897
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: does not work in Semi Valley, or it doesn't work

898
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: with the type of people in Semi Valley, which is

899
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: a law enforcement town, isn't it for the wasn't so

900
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: much of the law enforcement town. It was just that

901
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 1: just like I told you, We used to think it

902
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: was okay to um to deal with people the way

903
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: you did. After the pursuit, you run from the police,

904
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: make us chase you all over the streets. You got

905
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: your ass whoop at the end of a pursuit. That

906
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: was fat. That was like in writing what was going

907
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: to happen. But it took that incident being on VHS

908
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: this thing. Rodney kid probably be just now getting out

909
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: of jail. If that man would have been videotaping that incident,

910
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: um or at least he would have did fifteen or

911
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: twenty years for the invading. And they were trying to

912
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: get him on a robbery. Uh they I'm sure they

913
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: would have said he wasn't psisting invading. Uh, they were

914
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: trying to make him on a robbery case. They were,

915
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: They would have would have even got him on the

916
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: robbery case. He surely would have got resisted arrest, an

917
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: assault on the police case based on what based on

918
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: their testimony to justify all of the beatings. But he's

919
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: getting hit and taste and he's happened. They didn't have

920
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: a tape he was under I don't I think all

921
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: those drug tests were negative. I don't think he was

922
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: you all don't see on the tables, right, and King

923
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: got out flicking it off, the police grabbing, grabbing his

924
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: balls and throwing off. I'm just telling you what what happened.

925
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: To know that happened if it wasn't on tape because

926
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: the tape started late. But then, but how do you

927
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: know what happened before the tape started testimony? I don't

928
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 1: remember the testimony. Yeah, but that's what. Okay, but that's

929
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: just what, right, That's just something that they're saying to

930
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: justify who testified. You don't know, it's a big old

931
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: rape between the LPD and c HP after all of that,

932
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: because c HP actually had him in custody, there was

933
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: no need for them there. They just testified and they

934
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: wasn't a part of the assault. So they used them

935
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: as witnesses versus informants you know, or you know, the suspect.

936
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: They had to get up and testify to how they

937
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: was treated at the hospital, how he was treated the

938
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: whole time was the c HP who was against them.

939
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: They made down witnesses against the l AP. Remember there

940
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: was a commander named Bostick or Bostwick that actually testified

941
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: said those those are not the tactics that we train

942
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 1: our officers to you in the field. The judge even

943
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: I believe in federal courts that forty eight of the

944
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: strikes were justified. There was the ones out the forty

945
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: eight that was unjustified. I didn't see the reason for

946
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: all of those blows because from I understanding, I told

947
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: you that was normal prior of that, and I was

948
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: saying that was the good thing that came from from

949
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: that incident. Well, then cops, real life, Hey, it shouldn't

950
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: be happening. That's one we learned. Don't be doing that.

951
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: You're as gonna go to jail you get caught doing that.

952
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 1: But for I understand, the HP was about to handcuff

953
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: him and take him into custody when l a p

954
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: D came and then all of the conflict happened after

955
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: the lap D came. Well, how pursuits usually happened. Wants

956
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: to come into city streets, the city police take care

957
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: of it once it's on the freeways, then then the

958
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: c HP do the pursuing. And so it went off

959
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: into the city streets, and so that's why the city

960
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: police took over. But it was was initially on the highway.

961
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: It was to c HP was the initiative, the initiators

962
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: of it, but they pretty much just gave it off

963
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: the l APD once they went into the city streets.

964
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: But they could have kept that arrest, can't they. It's

965
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: where the pursuit begins. They're allowed to end that pursuit

966
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: no matter what city it goes into. The HP could

967
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: follow that pursuit wherever, but they're not gonna have to

968
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: hold all their resource following all the way down the

969
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: street like that. So that's why you start using the

970
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: resource from the other cities. You pass it off. It's

971
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: like all passing at all. Well, it sounds like you're

972
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: saying a little bit maybe Rodney King deserved what he got.

973
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:55,479
Speaker 1: I can say that. I know, I know you didn't

974
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: say that, but it sounds as if that's not how

975
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: if I'm coming off that way, I'm just staying you

976
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: asked what good came from that, and I'm saying that's

977
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: what's good came from it because it made cops understand

978
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: that this is not the right way to doing policing.

979
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: Because prior to that, it was like norm that's normal procedure.

980
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: It wasn't written, but that's what happened. Well, and I'm

981
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: not saying it was right, but that's whatever. I'm not.

982
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: That's whatever. It created the largest urban uprising in American history. No,

983
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: that's not what created it. Not guilty verdicts for what

984
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: we saw on that video tape, combination of things, the beating. Yeah,

985
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: the beating didn't create the uprising because it happened, Guilty verdicts.

986
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: It was l ap D not going immediately dealing when

987
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: regin no dn he was getting his bug. What when

988
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: people realized that, hey, police ain't coming, they ain't doing nothing.

989
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: Do you all know how long Reginald then he got beat.

990
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: They were hold to stand back. Cops couldn't even go

991
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: and respond. We're watching this on TV, this man getting beat.

992
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure any of l all by citizens the one

993
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: they go and jump into that. But fear allowed them

994
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: not to no better because he was a white man.

995
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: Or what if I was a black man and I

996
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: lived in that here, I wouldn't wasn't trying to go

997
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: and stop that, not being a police officer or not. Yeah,

998
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: but the uprising was already so it didn't starting to

999
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: after that. They were pocket Parker Center at Parker Center

1000
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: had already started. They were throwing things in the front

1001
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: door that they they had the Ryot cops and and

1002
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: the theber not Reginald Danny. That beating with Reginaldanny is

1003
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: what started that, right, what started that? Right? But I

1004
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: think the uprising was already in full swing. And and

1005
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: and when when I saw the white boy getting his ass,

1006
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: will be honest, I was like, whoop, there is as

1007
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you might see it different. I mean,

1008
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm looking at it from the street. Shod this dude.

1009
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: These the beat the ship was beating this man. And

1010
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: then the video come out and they're still on the street.

1011
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, if that was me beating the white

1012
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: boy and they got it on video, I would be

1013
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: in the penitentiary doing thirty forty years and they probably

1014
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: would have put an ail on it. If you go

1015
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: out to the four Voice for beating that white man,

1016
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: they got found not guilty. No, what're calling? Yeah? I

1017
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: think Damnon did the most time. But eventually they all

1018
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: got out after a while. For god damn, they did

1019
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: the same thing the police did. It's caught on film. Well, y'all,

1020
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: don't let them out. It's it's it's the man, they

1021
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: get away with it every day, every day. So do

1022
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: you think we've made a lot of progress from James

1023
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: from Yes, I believe so, because I think it would

1024
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: have been way worse if they would have never filmed

1025
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: this happening. And I think that it would have just

1026
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: got worser how the police was treating us back in

1027
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: them days up until now. Yeah, it probably it's probably

1028
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: been more killings if this wouldn't have happened, because now

1029
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: they got to reevaluate everything that they're doing because they

1030
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: know they might get caught doing it. And and as

1031
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: we see on TV, some of them is getting caught

1032
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: by this. If we didn't have this, they all walked

1033
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: because in the in the eyes of the law, a

1034
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: police officer is not wrong. You noticed that whenever a

1035
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: cop is charged or indicted in these cases, it has

1036
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: to be on camera. It has it's not the the

1037
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: eyewitness testimony of a civilian is never enough to charge

1038
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: the police. And like nineties something percent of these cases,

1039
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: it has to be on camera in order for the

1040
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: cops to be forced to be accountable for whatever they do.

1041
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: And I think that Rodney king beating is an example

1042
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: of that. Even though they were found not guilty in

1043
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: state court. Uh, they were found guilty in um federal court.

1044
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: I thought it was amazing back then that actually President

1045
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: George Bush, the first George Bush, he came on TV

1046
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: and said what he saw was deplorable and that they

1047
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: were going to have the Judice Department investigated. But you

1048
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: gotta remember what was happening for six days. You know,

1049
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: he had to end up saying he sent the Marines down.

1050
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: Pete Wilson, who was the government at the time, he

1051
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: sent the National Guards and the city mayors. This is

1052
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: the fact that the city of Long Beach, Compton, in

1053
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: l a Guardino, they were crying and they were, you know,

1054
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: save our city. They were people were burning their tax basis.

1055
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't all the big walmarts and home

1056
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: depots and all that in the city. You had comptence

1057
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: wanted me. You know, we were lucky to have came

1058
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: on National National roof over there. Yeah, just like they

1059
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: did in Beverly Hills. They'd take it. All of that.

1060
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: All of that happened later though. I'm just saying, yea,

1061
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: make it seem like it happened that day. The people

1062
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: would that smarty. It took a while to go, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: people were starting to get smart to go down to

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Speaker 1: l A and to Beverly Hill. But like James, they

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01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: posted up there because they had to stop it. But

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Speaker 1: all of that happened, you know, and within that six

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Speaker 1: day time time frame. But I was on the streets,

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Speaker 1: I think three days. The WATS was six days. This

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Speaker 1: credit for six days. I think the watch Riots of

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Speaker 1: sixty five was six days, and the h ninety two

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Speaker 1: was April nine, and then May one, I think May one.

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Speaker 1: It was a rap right to the April nine, maybe

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Speaker 1: a second, and it took a while for it to

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Speaker 1: die down, but you know, and they could be calling,

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Speaker 1: uh the truths and when the game made were started

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Speaker 1: getting in damage. All right, let me have final quillion

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Speaker 1: dollars damaged, twelve twelve thousand people hurt, I'm sorry, twelve

1078
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: thousand people arrested, and um something else about sixty people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: sixty something people die and to two thousand something people

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Speaker 1: hurt and result of the right. Right before we wrapped

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Speaker 1: the show up on off Um asked this final question,

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Speaker 1: do you think that Los Angeles can have another uprising

1083
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: like that? Again? We had nineteen sixty five and then

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01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,479
Speaker 1: twenty seven years later, we have nineteen ninety two. Could

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01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: it happen again in our city? Yeah, if Donald Trump

1086
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: went I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm I'm if Donald Trump

1087
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: went again. I think there's so many distractions that the

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Speaker 1: common citizen has that they're not really focused and eating

1089
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: on on, like the politics of what's going on because

1090
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: everyone's on social media there on your their phones and

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01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: on Instagram, on Facebook and ninety two, none of this

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01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: existed when you saw it on the news, ABC News, CBS,

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01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: and they most of them don't watch TV anymore. Media, Yes,

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Speaker 1: they do. In the nineties. It was that what made

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01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: that riot grow. That's when they say him this man

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Speaker 1: getting beat And it wasn't because because it was a

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Speaker 1: white man, like Jay said, It's like people felt, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: it's a white man in his ass, Why is he

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01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: driving a truck down? Why he got that job anyway?

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Speaker 1: Why the ain't a mean black man with that job anyway?

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01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: You know Florence and Normandy. But when they saw they

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Speaker 1: was able to get away and the police weren't doing nothing,

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01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: that's when people are like, whoa, the police ain't doing

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Speaker 1: anything about this? Just when when when he was getting

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01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: his ass whooping and snatched up that truck. It was

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01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: other people getting beach with bad shouldn't bridge and all

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01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: another ship. They went mad at black folks. They what

1108
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: matter black people? They were the white people. It was

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Speaker 1: white people that he was just a white person that

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Speaker 1: happened to be in were you we're talking about? The

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Speaker 1: came about and you went to school and start beating

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Speaker 1: up the white kids. W the white kids in our schools.

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Speaker 1: My schooling was white kids. I would say school you

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Speaker 1: went to no, not no. I went to drive too.

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01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 1: I went to uh, which Ruth came out when I

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Speaker 1: was saying. They came out next time for you was

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Speaker 1: in the fourth grade and we beat up kids. That's school,

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Speaker 1: all right. Fellas, Thanks for tuning into another episode of

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Speaker 1: The Gangster Chronicles. I'm gonna like Reggie and James arguing

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Speaker 1: about white kids getting beat at school. School. Please tune

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01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: in again for another episode every Thursday, The Gangster Chronicles

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Speaker 1: and we out. This has been a digital so much

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Speaker 1: network production