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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on this Parkapper episode of

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Speaker 1: Magical Rewind. We've got one of the OG's friend of

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Speaker 1: the show knows where a lot of the bodies are buried.

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Speaker 2: Help to write.

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Speaker 1: Basically most of the movies that we love, we say

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Speaker 1: his name all the time. I mean, we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: talking about smart House, We're gonna be talking about true Confessions,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about I can't even i can't

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Speaker 1: even have a proof point xenon.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let him tell us his resume from now on.

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Speaker 1: It's like every time, because it's insane. He's the man

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Speaker 1: who put the words into people's mouths in movie after

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Speaker 1: movie after movie.

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Speaker 2: Please help us. Welcome once again Stu Creeker.

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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back Shirt.

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Speaker 3: Yes, love this shat.

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Speaker 1: Oh that is amazing. Well, thank you for joining us

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Speaker 1: once again.

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Speaker 4: So happy to see you guys.

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Speaker 1: Because we have Yeah, and we've now watched a whole

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Speaker 1: bunch more of the films that you've written.

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Speaker 2: So many more.

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Speaker 1: It feels like every week we're saying either Stu Kreeger

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Speaker 1: or Paul Hoan just over and over and over again.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: So I mean we just Sabrina.

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Speaker 1: Should we just jump right in because we know we

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Speaker 1: want to. We want to get to as many as

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Speaker 1: we can while we have you here.

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Speaker 5: Full disclosure. The only one I haven't watched in the

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Speaker 5: recent past just proof Point. So if I'm a little

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Speaker 5: fuzzy on that, I've had every intention of doing it

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Speaker 5: this week and just life got too busy.

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Speaker 2: I understand. So we'd like to start with poof Point.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm kidding, well, well, we would love to start

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Speaker 1: so one of the fan favorites, which we knew even

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Speaker 1: before going in, and one that even I'd heard of

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Speaker 1: before starting this podcast, because again I'm the old guy,

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Speaker 1: so I'm going back and trying to learn, but it

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Speaker 1: was in the zeitgeist. We want to start with Smart House, Yes,

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Speaker 1: which we recapped and which we both really enjoyed.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, I don't even know where to jump in.

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Speaker 2: First of all, how did you first hear about this

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Speaker 2: project and how did it take off?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: So my relationship with Disney Channel, as you guys know,

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Speaker 5: started with Xenon and I had done two films before

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Speaker 5: the dcoms were a thing for them, so they knew me,

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Speaker 5: they knew my work. I did the parent Trap two

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Speaker 5: and the Freaky Friday remake that was Shelley Long and

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Speaker 5: Gebby Hoffman. So they knew me, they knew my work.

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Speaker 5: That's how I got in the door for Xenon. Then

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Speaker 5: we'll get to that, yeah. But then with Smart House,

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Speaker 5: it was a project already in development. There had been

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Speaker 5: a bunch of drafts, and kind of what happened for

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Speaker 5: me with all the projects I did for them is

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Speaker 5: either I was the only writer or the last writer,

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Speaker 5: and the feather in the cap being the last strat

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Speaker 5: is it means you gave them the draft that they

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Speaker 5: it was basically when it came to me, it was

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Speaker 5: we loved the premise, we love the setup, we love

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Speaker 5: a lot of the mechanics of it. We don't feel

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Speaker 5: that yet has the heart, and that's something you seem

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Speaker 5: to do really well for us. So can you kind

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Speaker 5: of go back and reconfigure the relationships, reconfigure some of

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Speaker 5: the underlying issues of it. And one of the things

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Speaker 5: and I was kind of amazed that Disney let me

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Speaker 5: back and tone it down. And so that's something I'm

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Speaker 5: very proud of. But I also think it's part of

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Speaker 5: so much of them, especially now that I'm on social media,

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Speaker 5: I see all that thread of oh my god, what

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Speaker 5: this meant to me as a kid, or I had

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Speaker 5: really know in the time or have been such a

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Speaker 1: Well, that's one of the things that we talked about

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Speaker 1: that really resonated with us was the was the quiet

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Speaker 1: get some decoms that have great directors, great casts. I

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Speaker 1: where it's just there's no real quiet moments. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: make a whole lot of sense. It's just very let's

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Speaker 1: it's a good excuse to get cover kids with slime,

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Speaker 1: and again there's a place for that in the Disney

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Speaker 1: Smart House was those moments of it was real. I mean,

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Speaker 1: in my yes, the house was was robotic and it

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Speaker 1: another layer of the film. Was that all you what

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Speaker 1: you did?

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Speaker 5: Most of it was me, I mean again humble brag, Sure, no,

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Speaker 5: of course, but there was the a whole idea of

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Speaker 5: mom and I loved all the parody sitcoms that they

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Speaker 4: Moms or whatever. Yeah, but you know, all of that.

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Speaker 5: I loved how they executed the vision. But that idea

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Speaker 5: you know, those sitcoms of the fifties, that was all

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Speaker 4: What does a mom really mean?

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Speaker 5: And like I said, the moment that kind of blew

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Speaker 5: you're not the only one who lost somebody?

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Speaker 4: Yes, And it was like, dude, damn.

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Speaker 6: I remember rewatching it going whoa ye, Like I mean,

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Speaker 6: because how real is that moment? And I'm sure, like

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Speaker 6: It was straight to the point, very real, and something

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Speaker 6: you know, and that and navigating a very hard and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we touched on it last time, but

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Speaker 5: I was saying that, you know, in my entire experience

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Speaker 4: To do a dumb dad.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, really, you know we talked about that troph

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Speaker 5: Dad's an idiot and yep, pually incompetent, and so that

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Speaker 5: important to me that he be a fully dimensional character

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Speaker 5: and he'd be able to you know, be kind and

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Speaker 5: about I've got my needs too. Yeah, you know, seeing

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Speaker 5: it in retrospect, that is one thing I'm very proud of.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, what was it like working with LeVar Burton? Was

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Speaker 1: were you did you get to collab with him at all?

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Speaker 2: Or yeah?

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Speaker 6: I was not.

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Speaker 5: I mean kind of what my m with most of

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Speaker 5: read around for some rehearsals, around a couple of days

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Speaker 5: think we touched on this about my aversion to being

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 5: Uh. LaVar was amazing. I mean he was just he

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Speaker 5: so got it. The couple of meetings we had we

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Speaker 5: I had one wonderful day that I've talked to my

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Speaker 5: get over the first day you get to be on

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Speaker 5: the set of something that you envisioned in your head

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Speaker 4: You know, there's screens over here, and there's Kitsen over here.

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Speaker 4: And then did it.

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Speaker 5: And when I got to the set for the first time,

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Speaker 5: House and I was like, yeah, I do. I have

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Speaker 4: So getting to do that was wonderful.

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Speaker 5: And like I said that, we were very very much

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Speaker 5: there was no kind of tug of war or conflict

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Speaker 4: Nice's really cool.

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Speaker 6: Were you really happy with all of the inventions of

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Speaker 6: the smart House, Like, was there anything when you went

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Speaker 6: up they could have done that better? Or was it

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Speaker 6: just like, yes, they totally did it just as I wanted.

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Speaker 4: No, they dailed it.

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Speaker 5: I think for me the moment was when I saw

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Speaker 5: the dailies of the big arm coming out and grabbing

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Speaker 4: Yes again, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, you're always very aware of their budgets and what

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Speaker 5: And with that, I thought all of the effects really worked,

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Speaker 5: and all the big screen stuff and yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think the only one we picked apart was with

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Speaker 6: the Oranges and we're like, how is she getting the

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Speaker 6: produce under the You gotta remember it's a Disney movie.

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Speaker 3: Sparkle and pixie dust on some of this stuff. Of course?

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Speaker 2: Was it?

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Speaker 1: Was it a big win when you found out that

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Speaker 1: Katie Siegal was going to be playing the role.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, How did she.

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Speaker 3: Get involved in it?

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Speaker 4: I do not remember.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm assuming because it was not a decision

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Speaker 5: I was involved in it initially that it was just

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Speaker 5: the casting people going hey, let's try right, And then

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Speaker 5: I got the word she's.

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Speaker 4: In and it was like, guess she is.

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Speaker 5: That's cool, And she actually was working the day that

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Speaker 5: we visited the set, so I got to read her

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Speaker 5: and she was in the full Patrick Galea and I

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Speaker 5: have a picture somewhere of being in her with the

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Speaker 5: back to LN.

448
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Speaker 1: Now does the US has change it all when it's

449
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,639
Speaker 1: based on another author's book or do you still have

450
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:05,320
Speaker 1: carte blanche?

451
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 2: I mean, how does that work?

452
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,960
Speaker 1: Does the original author have any kind of say in

453
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Speaker 1: where the script goes or no?

454
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Speaker 2: Okay?

455
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, So basically is.

456
00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 5: That they have the right to say, I'm not selling

457
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,920
Speaker 5: the rights to the book, right, but once the rights

458
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:24,160
Speaker 5: have been sold, have at it. And you know, being

459
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 5: a writer, being somebody who's published two novels, I am

460
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 5: very respectful of the source material, but ultimately you have

461
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 5: to look at it as that's not filmic, or that

462
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 5: doesn't make visually or how you know, you kind of

463
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 5: have to give yourself permission to Now I have to

464
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,199
Speaker 5: take the essence of and the underlying heart of the

465
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 5: material and hang under as much of it as it can,

466
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,919
Speaker 5: but it has to make sense filmically. And you know,

467
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 5: this is a very different medium than has different demands

468
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Speaker 5: and that's where my fidelity now.

469
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Speaker 4: Has to be sure.

470
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Speaker 3: And this was a project that you collaborated with Paul

471
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Speaker 3: hoan On.

472
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Speaker 4: Yes, and I.

473
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Speaker 6: Was able to work with Paul with one of the

474
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Speaker 6: Cheetah Girls movies. We love him, We've had him on

475
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 6: the podcast. He's amazing, you know, legend at Disney Channel,

476
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 6: just as you are. So it's awesome that you guys

477
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 6: are now joining forces. And wow, did it just work

478
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 6: on every aspect because this movie was absolutely one of

479
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Speaker 6: my favorites to.

480
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 2: Watch me too, great movie.

481
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Speaker 3: But can you tell me about.

482
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Speaker 6: The process of working with Paul because I know he

483
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 6: really loves to like dive in and include everyone, and

484
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 6: you know Rework and Rework, So I mean you might

485
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,160
Speaker 6: have just had to get up to a certain point.

486
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Speaker 6: But how was it working with him as he then

487
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 6: jumped into his role.

488
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Speaker 5: Instant love affair and again we are still friends, you know,

489
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Speaker 5: as you guys know. I don't know if you know

490
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 5: this part of it, but three weeks from now I

491
00:21:52,760 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 5: will be retiring, so I know. But I've had I've

492
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 5: done since I've been there for nineteen years, a class

493
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 5: called the Filmmaker's Life where I teach every other year

494
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 5: and I bring in people from Hollywood to talk about

495
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 5: their lives, their experiences, their careers, how they got their start,

496
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 5: and Paul has done that class for me at least

497
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 5: three or four times over the cool and we're still

498
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 5: in touch on a regular basis, have lunch when we can.

499
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Speaker 5: So really it was one of the greatest collaborations of

500
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Speaker 5: my career in terms of just came.

501
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 4: In the room and yeah, we get each other.

502
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 5: I like you, you like me. You know, my wives

503
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 5: met our kids, Matt, we hung out together. I mean,

504
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 5: we really had a wonderful relationship and still do. But

505
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 5: he was somebody who just same waveling, get it, got

506
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Speaker 5: it good, let's go.

507
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Speaker 1: There are some some creative people that you just instantly

508
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: have a shorthand with where it's just it's like, oh, okay, brother, sister, instantly,

509
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 1: that's good, let's go.

510
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Speaker 5: I was gonna say there was a couple of times

511
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 5: during production after I was back in LA where he

512
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 5: would call and say, you know, we're shooting this thing tonight.

513
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 5: I just went through it and wouldn't be possible if

514
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 5: we shifted this to that Or there was one time

515
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,719
Speaker 5: where the location fell out and I forget where they

516
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 5: were originally going to be, but we got to move

517
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 5: it to a different place. Can you rewrite the scene tonight?

518
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 5: To make it more accommodating the new location. Hey buddy,

519
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Speaker 5: I'll have.

520
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Speaker 6: It in an hour.

521
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Speaker 4: Here you go. And you know, so like phone in

522
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 4: facts days, so i'd have to stick up my fax machine.

523
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Speaker 3: Machine.

524
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Speaker 6: Oh man, if you had the bad paper, it really

525
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 6: but it was the best.

526
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: It was.

527
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: It was it was still magic, Like how did I

528
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 2: get this thing? This is incredible?

529
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: Did you find that having to write for a character

530
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: with an intellectual disability? Do you have to approach that

531
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: differently than you do any other character when you're writing

532
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: for Disney?

533
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, and very much Again for me, it's important whenever

534
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 5: the subject matter, whatever the people, the characters, there has

535
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 5: to be an authenticity to it. So Janna and I

536
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 5: went and we went to it. It was like a

537
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 5: residence home for folks with various degrees of mental disabilities

538
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 5: and handicaps and stuff. So we went and spent a

539
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 5: day with them. And I found people that were as

540
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 5: close to what Shi's disability was and sat at the

541
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 5: table and talked to them and talked to their life

542
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 5: experience and do you mind if I'm Johnny notes while

543
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 5: we're talking kind of thing, and really navigated that as

544
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 5: carefully as I could, and so between what was in

545
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 5: the book, which was based on the author's life experience, Yeah,

546
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 5: and the day we got to spend, you know, with

547
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 5: folks with similar disabilities were really informative. And then the

548
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 5: other blessing with this project was because I knew it

549
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 5: was shy and knew what he was capable of. There

550
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 5: were things that I pushed in a direction of I

551
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 5: know he can do this. I'm worried about, you know,

552
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 5: is it going to come off as disrespectfuler in any

553
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 5: way inauthentic? And I trusted he would get there, and

554
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 5: of course he did.

555
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did a wonderful I mean he was great,

556
00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 2: He really was.

557
00:24:59,520 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

558
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 3: Did you get a chance to interact with him?

559
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 5: For the week I was up there, We went out

560
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 5: to dinner a couple of times. I was you know,

561
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 5: like I said, I was there for the table raading

562
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 5: rehearsals and hanging around. And then they did a premiere

563
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 5: on the Disney back Loot. When the movie was done,

564
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 5: I got to see him again there and cool, great,

565
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 5: I mean he was really very funny, very energetic, very engaged,

566
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 5: just lovely and another one that you know. For the premiere,

567
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 5: I took my kids and he came over and I

568
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 5: introduced them and he was smoothing with them, and.

569
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, especially as a child actor, he was arguably

570
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: one of the best to ever do it. I mean,

571
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: and that's not hyperbole ever, He's truly one of the

572
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: best child actors that's ever existed. Obviously, his adult life,

573
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: the acting is still there. He's had his problems, as

574
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 1: people can. But from an acting standpoint, I mean, you

575
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: watch him at sixteen and almost every other actor at sixteen,

576
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: and you just go, oh, they're working on completely different levels.

577
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, quite he really took that role and made

578
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: it very special. But now we're going to come to

579
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Speaker 1: the one that you said you knew the most about.

580
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Speaker 1: Backwards Forward, Sideways remember everything about it.

581
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 2: Let's talk poof point. So it's a time.

582
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: Travel movie that first aired on September fourteenth, two thousand

583
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: and one. Do you remember kind of what it was

584
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: like having a movie coming out so close to nine

585
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:17,959
Speaker 1: to eleven?

586
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 2: I mean, what was what was that like?

587
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 4: It really was.

588
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 5: I mean, we were all still so in shell shock

589
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 5: of what world do we now in habit that I

590
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 5: think everybody was clinging for anything that was a little

591
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 5: bit positive and a little bit you know, take your

592
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 5: mind off it for a couple hours. So sure, aspect

593
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 5: of it was very positive, But at the same time,

594
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 5: it was just that surreal life goes on and these

595
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 5: things are happening. But it didn't have the same kind

596
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 5: of celebratory launch that some of the other ones did.

597
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 5: So I'm ninety nine percent sure there wasn't a screening

598
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 5: Brasina on Smart House, True Confessions we had on the

599
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 5: back lot with castin krew and did all that.

600
00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 4: I don't remember any.

601
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 5: Event connected the Proof Point because of the timing of

602
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 5: all of that.

603
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: Sure, was this also a script that you you came

604
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: in last or were you first on this one? You

605
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: came in last on this one, So I have a question,

606
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: So I'm just full disclosure. Poof Point was not my

607
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: favorite of the of the films we've seen. Have you

608
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: ever gotten a project and you don't have to say

609
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: the name of it, but have you ever gotten a project?

610
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: And kind of said, I'll do what I can, but

611
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how much can be done with this one.

612
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 5: Yes, And there was also I mean there was one

613
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 5: for them and then a couple outside of them for

614
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 5: my career where I would get it and just go,

615
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 5: I can't make this better.

616
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 3: Right.

617
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 4: I was secure enough.

618
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 5: And working enough that when I genuinely felt that, it

619
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 5: was like, I respectfully decline, you know, even getting involved

620
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 5: because I can't make it better. And I'm not somebody

621
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 5: that's going to do the money grab and give you

622
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 5: a half a job. It's like, if I'm doing it,

623
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Speaker 5: I'm doing it because I believe that I can put

624
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 5: it across the finish line. And so there was one

625
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 5: in particular for them where I just went good luck, right,

626
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 5: And like I said, a couple outside things, there was

627
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 5: one project, if I could digress for just a second,

628
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 5: least a project. And they called and they said, we

629
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 5: bought the rights to this for a million dollars. We

630
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 5: think it needs a page one rewrite. Will you take

631
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 5: a crack at it? So already I'm like, you paid

632
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 5: a million dollars for what? Now?

633
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 4: Yeah?

634
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 5: And then I'm reading the script and it is about

635
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 5: a kid who becomes like an eight or nine year

636
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 5: old who becomes a Hollywood agent.

637
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 4: Okay, And it was like, what.

638
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 5: About this would appeal to anybody in the universe? Why

639
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 5: is this a thing to begin and why did you

640
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 5: pay a million dollars more. It's not funny, it's not cute.

641
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 5: If he's the best kid agent in the world, I

642
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 5: hate this kid.

643
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, kids won't want to watch it, Adults won't want

644
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: to watch it.

645
00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: Who did you buy this for?

646
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 3: At an age? Are not going?

647
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: You know?

648
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: One day?

649
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: I don't even a power agent. Oh did they ever

650
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: shoot it?

651
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 5: No?

652
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god?

653
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 5: And they had paid a million dollars for the specscript.

654
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 5: And that was when I finished reading it and I

655
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 5: called my agent and I said.

656
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 4: I can't do this. There's no version of this where

657
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 4: anybody in the world would want to see this.

658
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 5: And I called them back and I said, you know you, guys,

659
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 5: I just don't get it. I don't get the best

660
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 5: version of this is.

661
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 4: I don't get it. Good luck to you. Yeah, never

662
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 4: heard about it again.

663
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: Did the movie that that you kind of the same

664
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: thing happened for Disney?

665
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: Did they make that movie without you? Or did they

666
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: not make that.

667
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 4: Movie without you? Ever got made?

668
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: Okay, we don't even don't.

669
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 6: Even need a t if we pull in our number

670
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 6: one Hail Mary and he says, ah, we probably.

671
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: Can't do that.

672
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 5: And it's really interesting because I honestly wish I had

673
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 5: had the opportunity need to see poof Point before we spoke,

674
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 5: because I feel the same way it is when I list,

675
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 5: you know, for you've seen some of the social media stuff.

676
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 5: When I get asked to name your top five Disney

677
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 5: movies that you wrote, it ain't ever there.

678
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think I think one of the

679
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 6: biggest things that's that stands out about poof Point, especially

680
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 6: when you have something like Smart House, is those like

681
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 6: supposed to be really cool gadgets and they're scientists, and

682
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 6: and the way that things happen, what was done on set.

683
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 6: It wasn't the set that that you had for Smart House.

684
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: That wasn't that didn't.

685
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: Factor to it what she's trying.

686
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 6: To say, Yes, thank you, thank you. It just wasn't

687
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 6: that caliber. So it's like when you're going into that

688
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 6: fantasy land and the set just doesn't It was not

689
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 6: it was the set was hard to like because it

690
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 6: was so big and that you were seeing it and

691
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 6: it was everywhere, and they were trying to make you

692
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 6: believe certain things that just like it was the production

693
00:30:59,160 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 6: and you just.

694
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: It was also the some great actors doing some really

695
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: terrible fake guitar playing.

696
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: Yes, that's one of the things that really stuck out

697
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: to US's like.

698
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: Wow, they're not even faking guitar playing very well, you know,

699
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: they know how to do it. So from your past

700
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: growing up, And we might have touched on this a

701
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: little bit last time, but xenon Smart House poof point,

702
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: there seems to be almost an underlying sci fi fantasy

703
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: kind of vibe to a lot of the stuff you do.

704
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: Were you a sci fi fantasy fan growing up?

705
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 4: Not at all?

706
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: Really, I think I.

707
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: Remember this actually from the last time.

708
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm asking again because I'm shocked, really because you

709
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: wanted to be so chic, all fantasy writers, all fantasy

710
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: backer not really nothing growing up.

711
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 5: No, it's really interesting because you know I've talked about

712
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 5: part of my love of the Disney movies of my

713
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 5: era were the reason that I felt like I was

714
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 5: the right person to be in the dcom Go To Guy.

715
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 5: But all of those were like, you know, the opposent

716
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 5: minded Professor, Swiss Family, Robinson, parent Trap. Those were the

717
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 5: things that were really my you know, bread and bones

718
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 5: in terms of every you know, Disney was on the

719
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 5: seven year reissue cycle when you didn't have DVDs and

720
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 5: the rest of it, and any opportunity to see those movies.

721
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 4: I was always there. And when they would run on.

722
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 5: The Wonderful World of Disney, Yeah, Front Rose Center, I

723
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 5: was there. But so much of like the adventure, fantasy

724
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 5: play of things I Swiss Family Robinson and then the

725
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 5: fantasy of the parent Trap coupled with my crush on

726
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 5: Hayley besides you know, all of those things. That was

727
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 5: really my go to much more than I wasn't a

728
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 5: Star Trek fan.

729
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 4: I wasn't okay, Yeah.

730
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so funny.

731
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: There was that the fantasy adventure, I guess is the

732
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: way you're saying, like the Swiss Family Robinson, the way

733
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: they did that, it's essentially it's adventure Land at Disneyland

734
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: as opposed to Tomorrowland at Disneyland, which which really had

735
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: more of the vibe of kind of the earlier Disney

736
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: lifestyle for lack of a better term, it was that

737
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: kind of occasionally it would be almost something chitty chitty

738
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: bang bang, but other than that, it was really that

739
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: kind of family Swiss Family Robinson kinds.

740
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, and if you really look at my over it's

741
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 5: families at the center of all of them. Yeah, And

742
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 5: you know, and that's the thing that I know, that's

743
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 5: the thing I'm most comfortable with. As I've talked about

744
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 5: with you know, my son is four years older than

745
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 5: my daughter, and if you watch the evolution of my movies,

746
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 5: it's almost always an older brother with a younger sister.

747
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 5: That was the stuff we talked about before of opening

748
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 5: the door and listening to them and you know, closing

749
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 5: it and going back to writing. But so the big

750
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 5: the through line for me was always those Disney movies

751
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 5: that I grew up, and there was an element of

752
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 5: wish fulfillment. There was always the kid empowerment because they

753
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 5: had the opportunity to whether it was getting the parents

754
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,479
Speaker 5: back together and man parent trap or you know, building

755
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 5: this incredible treehouse and racing your ostrich in Swiss family Robinson. Yeah,

756
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 5: you know, all of those things had a wish fulfillment

757
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 5: coupled with the family at the center or of it. Yeah,

758
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 5: if you watch you know, my cannon of Disney movies,

759
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 5: that's almost central to all of them as well.

760
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

761
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 1: Curiously, what of your canon, which one was the most

762
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: difficult for you to write?

763
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 4: Mhm, oh, good question.

764
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 5: Proof Point had its issues in terms of because there

765
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 5: was I wasn't as connected to the whole situation and

766
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 5: set up and all the rest of it, So that

767
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 5: was a little bit of a challenge. True Confessions was

768
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 5: the hardest in terms of.

769
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 4: I really want to get this right.

770
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 5: Right, there's a there's a way where you can jump

771
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 5: the shark in a really uncomfortable you know, whether it's

772
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 5: condescending or not respecting the ability of the disabled, you know,

773
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 5: whatever those things are. It's just much more of a

774
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 5: minefield of really, I want to get this right. I

775
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 5: want to you know, be fair to the characters, to

776
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 5: the really sure. I think that was more like I

777
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 5: really felt, reason.

778
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 6: You have a hard time with that dad because that

779
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 6: dad was a jerk.

780
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean.

781
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 6: And I know how you normally are with dads and

782
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 6: eventually it comes together and you and it's all circle around.

783
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 6: But like hard, Yeah, was that hard for you to

784
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 6: to like go there as far as letting him take

785
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 6: that character to be really you know, I mean he

786
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 6: really struggled, Yeah, and he really struggled with how his emotions,

787
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 6: which I think is real. And I said that over

788
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 6: and over again while we rewatched it. I think this

789
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 6: is such a it has to be hard for every

790
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 6: single person in that house.

791
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, to handle.

792
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 6: And I think it's like real that the dad who

793
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 6: has this high power job and then also this and

794
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 6: you know, but was that hard for you, because I

795
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 6: know the dad was such a huge thing for you

796
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 6: with the characters all.

797
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: He wasn't a dumb dad, but he.

798
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 3: Wasn't a dumb dad, but he was. He really struggled,

799
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: He really struggled.

800
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 5: I am carefully calibrating my response, and I'm thinking, I mean,

801
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 5: because it actually was based on someone we know who

802
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 5: had a kid with a disability that just could not

803
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 5: accept it, could not come to terms with it.

804
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 4: It really rocked his world in a way. And as

805
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 4: I was calibrating by answer, it's like, he's never going

806
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 4: to hear the podcast. I'm good.

807
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: Fans too, but I don't.

808
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 5: But he was somebody that I observed trying to come

809
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 5: to terms with his own son and he still really hasn't.

810
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 5: I mean, the sun is now in his forties and

811
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 5: it's still a day to day issue in terms of reconcile.

812
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 4: Wow, that relationship hard, so hard.

813
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, So again, it wasn't difficult in the sense that

814
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 5: I felt a fidelity to this is hard and and

815
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 5: and not everybody gets up to speed immediately, and not

816
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 5: everybody gets you know, gets to terms with it. And

817
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 5: so again to make it it's just.

818
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 4: You just adapt, you just go. It's all you know,

819
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 4: you go with it. That's what life is.

820
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 5: Didn't feel to anybody in nea great And so as

821
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 5: long as there was some glimmer of evolution, as long

822
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 5: as there was some you know, opening in that window

823
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 5: for him before the movie was over, I was okay

824
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 5: with taking that journey.

825
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I thought, I mean it was it made

826
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 6: it so much again, so many of those choices just

827
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 6: made the situation without ever going through anything like that,

828
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 6: seem like wow, Like just my level of empathy just

829
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 6: kept building because it was like, oh man, there's this

830
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 6: extra layer that you don't think about, and it was

831
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 6: just I mean, it just feels like it just did

832
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 6: the job perfectly.

833
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 3: That movie was just like so good, so good.

834
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 5: And one of the things that's you know, so gratifying

835
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 5: again with the social media presence of the last couple

836
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 5: of years is people saying my dad and I watched

837
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 5: that movie together, and I have a handicapped brother, and

838
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 5: I had never seen a character like that portrayed on

839
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 5: screen before, and then every time it was on my

840
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 5: dad I would go back and watch it again and

841
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 5: we would cry together and we would you know, it

842
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 5: was so meaningful to us, and thank you and you

843
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 5: know those kinds of responses, which how can it get

844
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 5: better than that?

845
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: That's amazing, incredible.

846
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: And finally, we need to talk a little bit this

847
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: time about the shirt you're wearing about this Xenon, which

848
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: you said might be the favorite one that you made

849
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: for the channel, but we've also heard since that it

850
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 1: was first thought of as a TV show.

851
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 5: No, it's really funny because I just did an event

852
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 5: two weeks ago that was the most wonderful because it

853
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 5: was a room full of just Disney Channel geeks and I.

854
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: Saw the clip. I saved it.

855
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 4: I saved it. There you go.

856
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 5: And it was so much fun because what they did

857
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 5: is they screened the movie first and then I did

858
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 5: a Q and A afterwards. But all through the movie they

859
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 5: were yelling at the screen and they were talking back

860
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 5: every time.

861
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: It was like Rocky Horror Picture Show, but for Xenon.

862
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 5: One hundred and like the first time she makes Google

863
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 5: eyes at Greg across the room and they're all O.

864
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:13,959
Speaker 4: It was really fun.

865
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 5: And then they were all singing Jim Zim zoom at

866
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 5: the end and everybody dumpling and clapping and singing along.

867
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 4: So the question you just asked came up that night

868
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 4: as well.

869
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, but what the evolution was was it was based

870
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 5: on the kid's book that I think I told you

871
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 5: last time that I pitched Eloise at the Plausa on

872
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 5: the space station. Yeah, that's why I got the job,

873
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 5: wrote the movie. The movie was a huge success for them,

874
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 5: to the point of again got a brag. But when

875
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 5: they had a party celebrating the first hundred movies, Garry

876
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 5: Marsh got up at the beginning of it and he said,

877
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 5: when people talk to me about dcoms, most people assume

878
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 5: it's about high school musical and he said, it's actually not.

879
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 5: The two movies I get asked about the most are

880
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 5: Xenon and Smart House.

881
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, you do, thank you very much.

882
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 5: So anyway, because it did so well, the sequel was

883
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 5: ordered pretty quickly. We did this equal then the third

884
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 5: movie was supposed to be a feature film. Okay, and

885
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 5: again part of the reason that that movie is not

886
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 5: great directly to your point, Sabrina, about poof point, if

887
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 5: you look at Z three it looks like a feature

888
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 5: film shot on a Disney Channel budget, and so a

889
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 5: lot of the effects are really cheesy. It was really

890
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 5: they were down in South Africa and they're on the

891
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 5: beach one night and there's like this you know, uh

892
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 5: windstorm basically, and like the sand is hitting them in

893
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:40,479
Speaker 5: the face and they're trying to get.

894
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: The like crew guys with buckets of sand.

895
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 5: The wind going and they didn't have enough time or

896
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 5: you know, budget to postpone or whatever. But it really

897
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 5: looks like a feature shot on a Disney Channel budget

898
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 5: because it was conceived as a feature. It was supposed

899
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 5: to be a collaboration between at the time Hollywood Pictures,

900
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 5: which was a Disney Division feature and the Channel, and

901
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 5: they got into a turf war pissing contest over who

902
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 5: had the ultimate buck stops here with the script thing,

903
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 5: and they became this huge tug of war and Disney

904
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 5: Channel was it's our property, we developed it, we get

905
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 5: the final say, and they're like, but we're the Feature Division.

906
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 4: We get the.

907
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 5: Final say, and eventually they went, we're going to agree

908
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 5: to disagree, take a movie and go home, and point

909
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 5: it was like, well, we're this committed, We're making it

910
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 5: as a Disney Channel movie, but we don't have enough

911
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 5: time to do a full on rewrite.

912
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: Oh no, so was it ever going to be a

913
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: television show? And they were talking about it.

914
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, So all.

915
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 5: That happened, and then I don't know the timing. Somewhere

916
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 5: within the next couple of months, I got a call

917
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 5: from Suzanne to Pass and Suzanne Costin, who were the

918
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 5: producers of the three movies, and they said, we have

919
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 5: great news. We've been picked up to series. You're the

920
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 5: one of the executive producers and head writer of the show.

921
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 5: We've got I forget if the initial order was twelve

922
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 5: episodes and whatever it was, but we have an order

923
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 5: for this many episodes of the show. Come on in

924
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 5: tomorrow morning for a production meeting so we could start

925
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 5: to talk about because we had pitched here's how it

926
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 5: would play out as a series, and the idea is

927
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 5: going to be that Xena was sent down to Earth

928
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 5: to run a space camp to train the kids who

929
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 5: are going to be going to space, and part of

930
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 5: that was so it was much more sustainable on a

931
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 5: series budget to not have to face all the time

932
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 5: and do it all. Yeah, so we sold that that's

933
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 5: what they bought. That's what we're doing. Come in Friday

934
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 5: morning for a production meeting. Before I ever got to

935
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 5: the production meeting, I got a call and said the

936
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 5: series has been canceled.

937
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 4: And it's like, wait, what happened?

938
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 5: We were excited yesterday and this is Yeah, when I'm

939
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 5: always talking to my students about you never get to

940
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 5: be happy in show business.

941
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: But anyway you can play a happy character.

942
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 4: That's about it.

943
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 5: Because they were in the Disney Channel cheap, they did

944
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 5: not have any kind of holding deal with Kirsten Sheet

945
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 5: in the interim signed a contract with General Hospital for

946
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 5: she has now been for twenty years.

947
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's still there. It's like she's done eight thousand episodes.

948
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, but she had sorry, the General Hospital contract, and

949
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 5: they said we could recast, but she's so identified with

950
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 5: the role and people so love her in the role.

951
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 4: We're not going to recast. We're not going to do it.

952
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 4: We're scrubbing the series.

953
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: And that was it. Oh no, oh no, oh, that's

954
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: the worst.

955
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

956
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 5: So if they had had a holding deal, if they

957
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 5: had had a second position deal, if they had a.

958
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, all things that they I'm sure learned lessons of

959
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 6: because when we talked to people about Hannah Montana. You

960
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 6: know a lot of them that the hard part was

961
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 6: not Hannah Montana in the movie, it was what was

962
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 6: the movie we did that was a TV show that

963
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 6: they turned into a movie. Disney ended up having to

964
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 6: they for whatever reason, had to get a whole new

965
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 6: writing crew, and some of the actors had a hard

966
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 6: time with that because.

967
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: They're, oh, no, that was that was Hannah Montana. Was

968
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: that Hannah don't you remember?

969
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the writers from Hannah Montana didn't then write

970
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: the movie from Hannah Montana, which is why they were like, Okay,

971
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 1: that didn't seem to really have.

972
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 3: The same vibe with the Wizards.

973
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, maybe it was also Wizards that it was

974
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: two Wizards was.

975
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 6: A different team that made it a movie, And it

976
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 6: was like the heart and the essence of what had

977
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 6: been built, you know, and with you with that franchise

978
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 6: is gone because it's not the same people that were

979
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 6: doing it. So the characters were missing a lot that

980
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 6: the actors could feel it, you know, the producers or

981
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 6: whoever else was around that didn't get replaced, like that's

982
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 6: such a big deal and and it is almost worth

983
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 6: like taking the I would say budget cut any weather

984
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 6: it doesn't look as good, but like the heart and

985
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 6: the essence has to be there. You cannot just like

986
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 6: throw away characters and things that matter within the franchise

987
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 6: and the brand that's being built each I can't.

988
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 5: I would give you the underline to that. I always

989
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 5: have to like start it. Am I gonna get in

990
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 5: trouble it? What do I care?

991
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 4: Movie party?

992
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 5: The head of development came up to me and he said,

993
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 5: oh my god, I'm so glad you're here tonight. We're

994
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 5: trying to reboot Xenon. And so this was, you know,

995
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 5: a decade beyond the third movie, maybe even longer, but

996
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 5: we're trying to reboot the franchise. I'm so happy you're here.

997
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 5: Do you have any ideas We've met with a bunch

998
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 5: of writers and not working so far.

999
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 4: Will you come in and pitch us something?

1000
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 5: So it was I can date it because it was

1001
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 5: this time that Creed was just coming out, and I said,

1002
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 5: what you have to do is a legacy movie, because

1003
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 5: they what their idea was to have a new kid

1004
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 5: playing Xenon, and I said, don't do that, but do

1005
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 5: the legacy handoff movie like Creed did with Rocky to Creed,

1006
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 5: where Xenon's now the teacher on the space station. She's

1007
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 5: got to deal with a kid who's the mirror image

1008
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 5: of her at that age. Suddenly she's in the commander

1009
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 5: playing authority role, trying to deal with this rap Skellion

1010
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 5: that's her younger self. And then if that works, you

1011
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 5: can take that character and give her as many movies

1012
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 5: as you want. Need that transition legacy.

1013
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, hand the Torch movie. Yeah, you pass the Torch movie.

1014
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 5: Exactly, and now you know whatever other gas the new

1015
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 5: scene is. You know, now Noble's running with the torch,

1016
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 5: whatever it is. So that's what I pitched, and the

1017
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 5: two executives in the room were like, oh my god,

1018
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 5: that's wonderful. Great, we'll get back to you. They took

1019
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 5: their boss for whatever reason, they passed, So again I'm out.

1020
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 4: It's good, God bless you.

1021
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 2: My life is fine because go do your thing.

1022
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 5: Maybe six months later, the original producers to Pass and

1023
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 5: Coston call me and they say, as you know, they're

1024
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 5: trying to reboot the franchise. They hired this husband and

1025
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 5: wife team. They have a script that we're really really

1026
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 5: unhappy with. Would you off the record read it for

1027
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 5: us and give us any thoughts.

1028
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 4: That you have.

1029
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 5: Xenon was a clinically depressed thirteen year old. They were

1030
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 5: going to do just a complete remake, not a reboot

1031
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 5: in anyway. But now the Xenon character was passively depressed

1032
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 5: because you'd be living in space too long and deprived

1033
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 5: of all And I read the script and I called

1034
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 5: them and I said, are.

1035
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 4: You kidding me?

1036
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 2: Is this a joke?

1037
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 5: There is not one thing about this that has any

1038
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 5: of the energy and the spirit the love. But you

1039
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 5: know whatever, there is no Xenon in the script at all.

1040
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 5: And they go, well, you know, we didn't really think

1041
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 5: so either, but what would you do? And I said

1042
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 5: I would dip out figure. Yeah, yeah, good luck to you.

1043
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 4: Wow.

1044
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:32,959
Speaker 2: And it's not what they did.

1045
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 4: That's what I did. I don't know what they did,

1046
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 4: but it never happened.

1047
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: Oh man, well, oh god, well, hey, everybody takes it

1048
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: a different route.

1049
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: I guess clinically depressed Zeno. It's called Xenon. Okay. So finally,

1050
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: two quick questions.

1051
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: One, did you know that NASA used SETAs laptis in

1052
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: an Instagram post?

1053
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 4: No?

1054
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: Yes, apparently they did. So you're like.

1055
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 4: Katy Perry Thinger, No, it wouldn't have been with it.

1056
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: No, I think it's well before well before that. So yeah,

1057
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: I think the NASA has used CI slipedus.

1058
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 4: Nice.

1059
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: It's been to space apparently in Instagram. And the second

1060
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: thing I'd like to ask is will you come back again?

1061
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 1: Because we've now we still have Xen on the Zequel

1062
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: Z three and Freaking Friday and Phantom.

1063
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: In the Megaplex.

1064
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 4: Oh, definitely to watch.

1065
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: So when we do those four, will you come back

1066
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: for another interview? Please?

1067
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 4: It's okay, good with you guys.

1068
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: Are you looking forward to retiring?

1069
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 5: It's funny I have quoted to several people. There is

1070
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 5: a line into the woods from Little Red Riding, Who's

1071
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 5: when she encounters the wolf, she says, I'm excited and scared.

1072
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 2: There you go.

1073
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 5: That's exactly what's happening with the impending retirement. There's a

1074
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 5: lot of things I want to do, a lot of

1075
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 5: things I'm looking forward to. But I have worked for

1076
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 5: fifty one straight years. A lot of my identity, a

1077
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 5: lot of my big fat ego is all tied into.

1078
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 2: Well, you're still gonna write though, right, Yeah.

1079
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 5: Actually, a couple of different book projects and a possible

1080
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 5: subject idea that's floating about.

1081
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so very cool.

1082
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 5: Definitely be doing that and we can talk more about

1083
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 5: that next time.

1084
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: Okay, perfect, Well, thank you so much for joining us

1085
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: again and giving us all the all the awesome stories

1086
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: about how all these amazing movies were made and they

1087
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: couldn't have been done without you, so Stu.

1088
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 3: Thank you so many of them.

1089
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: We do talk to you, we do.

1090
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 4: Like I said, just always a pleasure with you guys.

1091
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 4: So I so appreciate it.

1092
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: And we'll see you next time.

1093
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 4: All right, thank you, Stu, Bye bye.

1094
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 2: Oh god.

1095
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: I love the stories that he tells and the things

1096
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: that he's like. I probably shouldn't say this, but ask

1097
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: for it.

1098
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 3: I'm just well, yeah, he got to lose. Like it's

1099
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 3: just like, you know, awesome, It's true.

1100
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 6: It's some point you do have to like not always

1101
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 6: sugarcoat what the industry does and how how things work,

1102
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 6: how things, how things get built, how things get taken down,

1103
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 6: how things get pulled, you know, how it is. That's

1104
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 6: just the reality of the business and and how people.

1105
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: There's a there's also a lot of times when people

1106
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: wanted to find the quote next big hot thing, and

1107
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: so to do that, they'll get rid of the thing

1108
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: that's worked the entire time to get them there. It's

1109
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: like the equivalent of you know, you've you've you've played

1110
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Speaker 1: a certain way. Now you're halftime at the super Bowl

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna change everything you're gonna do and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to win. It's like, yeah, right, you've got

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Speaker 1: you doing yeah exactly. So uh oh man, what a

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Speaker 1: great interview. Thank you so much against Stu for joining us,

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Speaker 1: and thank you because I know he's going to join

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Speaker 1: us again.

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Speaker 3: We've got we've watched so many of his and we

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Speaker 3: still so.

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Speaker 2: Many him and Paul. We could just have the two

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Speaker 2: of them on. We should just sit back and should

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Speaker 2: just be magical rewind with Paul Ho and Stu Krieger,

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Speaker 2: and that would be true.

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Speaker 3: And I love it.

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Speaker 6: Like I said, I watched I came up on my

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Speaker 6: feed of him at this this event that he went

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Speaker 6: to recently, and he's just like the cutest guy. And

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Speaker 6: if they asked him, where does Lapitas come from?

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Speaker 3: And it's just so like you.

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Speaker 6: Could tell, especially with that franchise because he built it

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Speaker 6: from the ground up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, is like he it's his baby. He loves it,

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Speaker 3: he is in it. He loves wearing the shirts, he

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Speaker 3: loves repping it. You know, it's great, It's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great.

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Speaker 1: What a writer, what a guy, what a respect Hey,

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Speaker 1: if you're a decom person, he's responsible for a lot

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Speaker 1: of your favorite lines. I can tell you that right now.

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Speaker 1: So thank you everybody so much for joining us. Join

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Speaker 1: us next time over on the other feed where we're

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Speaker 1: doing a little movie called Cheetah Girls too, or in France,

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Speaker 1: Cheatah Girls is what I think.

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Speaker 3: It was called. We were in Spain, so.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so it would have been Cheata Girl's Dose then,

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Speaker 1: which is great.

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Speaker 2: But I'm saying in France.

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Speaker 1: It was Cheatah Girls, that's just the way it was.

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Speaker 1: In Germany it was Cheetah Girl's Spy. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: This is me being able to count to ten in

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Speaker 1: several languages. But yes, join us over there, and thank

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Speaker 1: you again, Stu.

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Speaker 2: What an interview, and we will see you next time.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye m