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Speaker 1: What is Up? Guys.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of the Mets Up Podcast.

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Speaker 2: We are joined today by Dsha Thosar, who has been

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Speaker 2: covering the Winter Meetings, talking baseball dropping articles all week.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot to talk about here in the Mets world,

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Speaker 2: not a lot of great things, but I'm sure we're

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Speaker 2: gonna find out some more. Dsha, first off, thank you

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Speaker 2: for joining us. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: And I think this is.

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Speaker 2: Becoming like an annual thing now we have you on

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Speaker 2: right after the Winter Meetings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good to be on. I wish it was happier

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Speaker 3: times for Mets fans, but it'll turn It won't last forever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Last year was all about wan So though, and like

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Speaker 4: the joy around that signing, and this year we're like, wow,

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Speaker 4: how are we gonna pick up the pieces? So I

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Speaker 4: think we'll just start there. So this week the Mets

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Speaker 4: kind of got their heart. Mets fans got their heart

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Speaker 4: ripped out two days in a row, losing Edwin Diaz,

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Speaker 4: losing Pete Alonzo. I think my first kind of very

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Speaker 4: general question is how much, honestly did the Mets want

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Speaker 4: to keep these guys? Was it really just a facade

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Speaker 4: in the back or was there real genuine mutual interest

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Speaker 4: with those two players.

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Speaker 3: I think definitely the interest for Diaz was much higher

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Speaker 3: was interest. They just weren't going to go there. They

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Speaker 3: weren't going to go to the years that it looked

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Speaker 3: think last offseason was a little bit of anomaly for

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Speaker 3: Pete because he had the qualifying offer attached to him,

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Speaker 3: not as much interest from other teams. This offseason, it

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Speaker 3: was expected to blow up, and it kind of was

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Speaker 3: a you're in the making from the Mets with Pete

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Speaker 3: And we already knew from last year that Pete didn't

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Speaker 3: like that approach from the Mets. He wanted a little

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Speaker 2: Did it feel like that like this came together quickly,

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Speaker 2: because it felt like before the winter meetings we kind

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Speaker 2: of heard nothing about Pete. We honestly heard that his

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Speaker 2: market was developing slowly, and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: you hear Mets Red Sox three years and then the

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Speaker 2: Orioles come in with five for one fifty five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely happened swiftly, I would say. After he

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Speaker 3: came to the Winter Meetings. I think that was a

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Speaker 3: really smart move by him and Scott Boris. I'm trying

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Speaker 3: to find out really whose idea it was, But there's

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Speaker 3: been right this kind of misunderstanding about who Pete can

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Speaker 3: be his personality. Obviously, Mets fans know him well, but

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Speaker 3: I think just looking from the outside, it's what is

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Speaker 3: he just this goofy player? Does he have this drive

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Speaker 3: to win? Does he work hard? What's his work ethic?

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Speaker 3: I think as soon as you see Pete face to face,

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Speaker 3: all of these things come across. So from his end,

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Speaker 3: it was really smart for him to go to the

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Speaker 3: Winter Meetings and be in touch with the teams that

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Speaker 3: were interested, and if that's the only thing they were

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Speaker 3: waiting for, then I can see how that would push

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Speaker 3: a deal across the table. Of course, after Schober went

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Speaker 4: It was a funny update too that Pee Lonzo was

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Speaker 4: driving to the Winter Meetings from his home nearby in

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Speaker 4: Tampa Bay, Like that was just kind of part of

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Speaker 4: this The funny Mets like reporting Lord that we always get,

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Speaker 4: but the reporting that's come out since too is that

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Speaker 4: both in the Mets and the Red Sox scene unwilling

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Speaker 4: to go even past the three years. Did the Orioles

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Speaker 4: kind of bien against themselves or pel lazo? Did they

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Speaker 4: drive up their own price or was their real need

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Speaker 4: in their world to give Pete that fifty year that

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Speaker 4: he's sought for the last two years.

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Speaker 3: Definitely huge need for the Oriols. I mean it's hard

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Speaker 3: for them, because not only did they need a right

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Speaker 3: Kind of wild to call Pete a veteran after covering

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Speaker 3: you look at Camden Yards, specifically them bringing in those

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Speaker 3: he's really going to rip it there. I mean, even

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Speaker 3: you put all of that together, there's plenty of reasons

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Speaker 3: I think I'm not sure that this contract is going

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Speaker 3: to age well. I still think Pete betting on himself,

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Speaker 3: and I think that's hard to quantify sometimes, So I

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Speaker 3: don't think it was that outrageous as people are making

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about Diaz a little bit more in a second,

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Speaker 2: but to kind of draw similarities, it felt like the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely with Pete it was not only expecting it,

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Speaker 3: They probably thought you'd end up with four to a

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Speaker 3: higher aav than they were comfortable going with. And write that.

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Speaker 3: We've heard that word being used so much with comfortability,

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Speaker 3: and I think, really there's just so much with the

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Speaker 3: just him doing it, it makes sense. So my question,

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Speaker 3: of course is where was Steve conan all of this.

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Speaker 3: His whole thing since becoming owner is the human touch

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Speaker 3: and somehow kind of especially this offseason, that has really

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Speaker 3: gone out the door. I think it's expected after their

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Speaker 3: disappointing season. But Peter Alonso was not the problem of

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Speaker 4: No, he definitely wasn't. And your last few pieces, you've

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Speaker 4: don't even want to say a few weeks, a few days.

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Speaker 4: We've heard other people in the media say that they're

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Speaker 4: taking the emotion out of it. There's no more sentimentality.

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Speaker 4: I heard one report that use the term arrogance. Is

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Speaker 4: this a perception that the David Stearns run teams have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this season and last season is more

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Speaker 3: I don't think fans would be as frustrated or upset

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Speaker 3: because that was also disappointing. But coming off of twenty

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Speaker 3: I think right now what we're seeing this offseason is

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Speaker 3: definitely how David Stearns operates. But even having said that,

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Speaker 3: I'm a little surprised because he knew what he was

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Speaker 3: So I think I mean right, I think fans just

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Speaker 3: Is not the vibe that Mets like. It's more of

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Speaker 3: But I do still believe that winning, of course, will

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does feel like as long as this team wins,

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Speaker 2: I think the fan base will be happy with whoever

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Speaker 2: But if we win, I'm okay if Pete Alonzo and

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Speaker 2: But that's the scary part because Pete left in the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely. I mean I have not heard for

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Speaker 3: It's like they just really did not pay attention to

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Speaker 3: this human aspect of I really wouldn't have hurt the

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Speaker 3: the direction of this team now after seeing Nimo walk away,

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Speaker 3: after hearing kind of writing was on the wall about

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Speaker 3: likely a mix of all of it, and we might

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Speaker 3: find out tomorrow. Diez is having that press conference with

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Speaker 4: It feels like there just had to be something there,

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Speaker 4: because on the surface, it was a three million dollar difference,

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Speaker 4: and with the report of deferrals, it seemed like there

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Speaker 4: the Mets not getting DS. He was the one they prioritized.

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Speaker 4: It's also funny to think about the juxtaposition between David

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely feels like now Steve Cohen has fully

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Speaker 4: Is there any likelihood or is it even like stupid

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely seeming that way now. If you ask

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Speaker 3: bit of this Mets blow up, of breaking up the core. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you just did mention.

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Speaker 2: Of course, that's been a hot topic this offseason has

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Speaker 2: been the Mets clubhouse and the drama that is there

439
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Speaker 2: or may not be there. From your experience, what do

440
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Speaker 2: you think about those reports? Is there really an issue

441
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Speaker 2: or this is just kind of how all major league

442
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Speaker 2: teams operate and the Mets just happened to lose a

443
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Speaker 2: little more publicly than others.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think personally being in and out of that

445
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Speaker 3: clubhouse all year, I really did not see tension. And

446
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Speaker 3: I've seen tension in a Mets clubhouse right covering them

447
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Speaker 3: since and and this did not reach any of those levels.

448
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Speaker 3: This was not you know, Vargas throwing himself at a reporter,

449
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Speaker 3: This was not Mickey Callaway getting it. I mean those

450
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Speaker 3: were tough times, and that's just not what happened. What

451
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Speaker 3: happened was that they had an extremely disappointing season and

452
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Speaker 3: write this report of Francisco and Door and Jeff McNeil

453
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Speaker 3: getting into an argument after their seventh consecutive loss. Of

454
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Speaker 3: course they did, right. It would be weirder if they didn't.

455
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Speaker 3: I think I play soccer some tens and it just

456
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Speaker 3: like I have one loss and I'm frustrated. I couldn't

457
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Speaker 3: imagine the pressure and everything they're going through at that

458
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Speaker 3: level and having to deal with it from publicly getting lashed,

459
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Speaker 3: and of course I think goes back to that twenty

460
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Speaker 3: twenty four season. If that just did not exist and

461
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Speaker 3: we saw twenty twenty three and twenty twenty five, I

462
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Speaker 3: just don't think it would have been as much of

463
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Speaker 3: a concern. I think this clubhouse tension and drama narrative

464
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Speaker 3: is a little overblown. I think the Mets would have

465
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Speaker 3: liked to see them maybe overcome it right. Think it

466
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Speaker 3: went on too long. As much as I want to say,

467
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Speaker 3: you can be frustrated after having a season like that,

468
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Speaker 3: be frustrated after that seven game losing streak, but someone

469
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Speaker 3: in there has to be like let's go right, where's

470
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Speaker 3: the turn here? We have to talk about Jose Glacy

471
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Speaker 3: as we talk about Jad Martinez from the twenty twenty

472
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Speaker 3: four team, That presence didn't feel like it was there.

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Speaker 3: So if there's any issue, I think it is just

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Speaker 3: surrounding that aspect that they didn't snap out of it

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Speaker 3: fast enough.

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Speaker 4: You had great reporting on this whole clubous drama right

477
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Speaker 4: when the season was ending that was kind of diametrically

478
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Speaker 4: posed to some of the reporting that came out about

479
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Speaker 4: the month later, and you repost that article. We talked

480
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Speaker 4: about a lot in this show. The switch did never

481
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Speaker 4: flip though, and you talked a lot in your piece

482
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Speaker 4: about the relationship between one and SOA and Francisco indoor

483
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Speaker 4: and reading through the tea leaves, it does seem like,

484
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Speaker 4: blatantly these guys are not friends, but does seem like

485
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Speaker 4: they are co workers? Is the next level for this team,

486
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Speaker 4: especially now with the microscope fully on them because there's

487
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Speaker 4: not many other there's really no other veterans left on

488
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Speaker 4: this team. How much of this is about not even

489
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Speaker 4: their relationship to one another, but their ability to actually

490
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Speaker 4: create like a really positive clubhouse environment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think right, It goes back to how much

492
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Speaker 3: will anything change within these two stars, and just talking

493
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Speaker 3: to Francisco Lindor about it this past season, I mean

494
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Speaker 3: he knew even when Sodo was signed, from the things

495
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Speaker 3: that he had heard about Sodo, this is how he operates.

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Speaker 3: He comes in, he does his work. He's not going

497
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Speaker 3: to be a buddy buddy bear hug type of person

498
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Speaker 3: like a Pee Alonzo or like a Brandon Nemo. He

499
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Speaker 3: just keeps to himself. And then Lindor actually made a

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Speaker 3: surprising comment to me. It was like even knowing that,

501
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Speaker 3: when you see it up close on a day to

502
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Speaker 3: day basis, it's different. It hit him a little differently.

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Speaker 3: You can hear about it, but until you see it,

504
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Speaker 3: you don't really know. And I think that adjustment period, right,

505
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Speaker 3: won't exist going forward. Now everybody knows what to expect.

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Speaker 3: Lindor also said to me, He's never going to change.

507
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Speaker 3: This is who Sodo is, like, we shouldn't be expecting

508
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Speaker 3: anything different out of him. And he was impressed by

509
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Speaker 3: this aspect of Sodo because he's so mature for his age.

510
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Speaker 3: In a little bit of I was never like that,

511
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Speaker 3: and it took me as in Sodo, it took I

512
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Speaker 3: mean Lindor. Sorry, it took Lindor a while to stop

513
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Speaker 3: being a people pleaser, and I think now he's kind

514
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Speaker 3: of settled and he's doing a little bit less of

515
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Speaker 3: that in Queens, but that's part of his DNA in

516
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Speaker 3: terms of being a human, and he's okay with that.

517
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Speaker 3: Sodo is very focused. He doesn't kind of pay attention

518
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Speaker 3: to those distractions, and I think if anything, just kind

519
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 3: of ripping the band aid off of how these guys

520
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 3: operate with each other, that not existing will lead to

521
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Speaker 3: that positive outcome like you've been talking about, because there

522
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Speaker 3: won't be as much adjusting at least between those two,

523
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Speaker 3: but there's gonna be a lot of turnover in the

524
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Speaker 3: clubhouse obviously.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I also think, you know, winning heals all wounds

526
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Speaker 2: as well, like it's a lot easier to have fun

527
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Speaker 2: and be buddy buddy and maybe want so gives Francisco

528
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Speaker 2: and Dora bear hug one day because they're winning baseball games,

529
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Speaker 2: where instead down the stretch just Mets Team Metal, horrible,

530
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: horrible collapse. We've heard things about other great superstars in

531
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Speaker 2: the league where they come in, they do their work

532
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Speaker 2: and it's not a problem. But if you look at

533
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Speaker 2: the Dodgers and Otani, they win baseball games. That seems

534
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Speaker 2: like the biggest difference there. Last question I'll leave you

535
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Speaker 2: with here is just expectations for the rest of the offseason.

536
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Speaker 2: Here for the Mets, you were talking about that they've

537
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Speaker 2: been very active in trades. Jeff McNeil's name has come

538
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 2: up a ton as a name that could be moved,

539
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Speaker 2: especially because of all the stuff that happened with apparentlyland

540
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Speaker 2: Or is that maybe the next domind that moves like

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Speaker 2: him and Sanga seemed like the hot names.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would put McNeil up there expected to be traded,

543
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Speaker 3: but not maybe as much of a high priority, just

544
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Speaker 3: because of his versatility, and I mean David's isn't alone

545
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Speaker 3: in that. I think that's really a trend in the

546
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Speaker 3: league right now. And just having those guys like a

547
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 3: Cody Bellinger too, who can play several positions and play

548
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Speaker 3: them well so they're not they it would almost be like,

549
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Speaker 3: okay if he didn't go anywhere. Senga definitely is another one.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about that one in terms of being

551
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Speaker 3: by low And another one I have my name my

552
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 3: kind of circled on my sheet is David Peterson. I

553
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 3: can see this kind of being like a need for

554
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Speaker 3: need trade because he would I don't know how he

555
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: would even fit into the rotation. If they want to

556
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Speaker 3: bring up some of these younger guys like we talked

557
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Speaker 3: about Jonatong is another Christian Scott. Obviously McLean is going

558
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 3: to be in there, so they have a lot of

559
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 3: runaway for those younger guys. They're going to have to

560
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 3: clear just a little bit more space. And David Peterson,

561
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Speaker 3: as many chances as he's gotten, right, he's not that

562
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 3: ace that the Mets rotation needs. I think they're I

563
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 3: don't think they're focused right now on adding an ace.

564
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Speaker 3: I think they should be. I think their focus is

565
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Speaker 3: on someone like a Michael King. I think that would

566
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Speaker 3: be a mistake. I think they should really be going

567
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Speaker 3: for someone like a schoolbl And, And if that deal materializes,

568
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Speaker 3: I think the Mets should be right in the middle

569
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Speaker 3: of that. I think they have definitely enough assets to

570
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Speaker 3: pull it off, and it would definitely make Nets fans

571
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Speaker 3: happier than where they've been this week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we want to pull Mess fans out of the

574
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Speaker 4: diulgence right now. Of course, been banging the drum for

575
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 4: school bles all off season. I don't know how you

576
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 4: cannot be as a fan, but you should have got

577
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Speaker 4: one more question for you before we let you go.

578
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Speaker 4: I heard Jeff Passon on a podcast during the ALCS

579
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Speaker 4: talking about the Imperial Pub in Toronto and a crew

580
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 4: of baseball writers that you guys had and some really

581
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Speaker 4: fun nights in a local dive bar up there above

582
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Speaker 4: the border. As the Blue Jays are winning some great games.

583
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Speaker 4: Mark and I are dive bar fishing NADOs in New

584
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Speaker 4: York over here. What makes a great dive bar and

585
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 4: what made that one so special?

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Speaker 3: This is one of the best questions I think I'm

587
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 3: going to get all off season. But what made that

588
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: place special was just kind of I don't know what

589
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 3: a better word for this is than the nastiness. I mean,

590
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 3: the carpets in it. I'm not sure I've walked into

591
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 3: a carpets, so you could definitely smell all the smells.

592
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: There were empty rooms with dust in it that have

593
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 3: never been touched that we definitely ventured into. And really,

594
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Speaker 3: I mean the best part of it was they really

595
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: really nice owner, Jacob, who treated us very well too well.

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Speaker 3: We had we had a great time. It was a great,

597
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 3: great crew at the Imperial Bar. Also a big fan

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Speaker 3: of die bars.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, die bars are the best carpeted carpet in

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Speaker 2: a bar.

601
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Speaker 3: Di Bars. Now I'm just on the lookout for those.

602
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Speaker 3: Let's bring those back.

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Speaker 1: Love these stories.

604
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 4: This makes baseball writers great. We appreciate you guys keeping that.

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00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: Spear alive, and we appreciate you coming on.

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Speaker 1: Disha.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on again right after

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Speaker 2: the winter meetings. Before we let you go, let everybody

609
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Speaker 2: know where they can find you and what you're up to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can find me at Fox sports dot com

611
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 3: all my written work or on Twitter aka x at Dha.

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00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 3: Those are awesome for having me, young guys. Always a

613
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: great time.

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Speaker 1: Thanks you, Dish.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you guys. Thanks for watching. We'll catch you on

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Speaker 2: the next episode.

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Speaker 1: Peace out, guys, It's call Mets then.

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Speaker 2: And then and then