1 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours, Golden Hour. Thanks so 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: much for joining us. We are so excited to be back. 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: And Kat, how are you today? 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: I am fabulous. I'm cold. It's you know, January. 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: And it's sixty something and she's cold. 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 3: Cold. 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: It's cold, it's cold, it's cold. But today I can't 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: I just can't wait. So I got to get right 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: into it. We have a very very special guest. Please 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: welcome from the Bachelor. Truly, when people say who is 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: your favorite, this person is one of my favorites. Catherine Lowe. Hi, Catherine, 12 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: and welcome to Golden Hour. 13 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 3: Well hell h hi, I'm good. 14 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: It was more than a minute ago, but we loved 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: your season. 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: I can't believe it was two thoy thirteen. I'm not joking. 18 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: I you know, long before I was on Golden Bachelor, 19 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: I watched a lot of the seasons. But I'm not kidding, Catherine, 20 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: your season with Sean, like I've I've been bear say, 21 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: I've watched it more than once. You guys were Thank you. 22 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 3: We had a good time. We had a very good time. 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 5: I just was hoping when I started that I wasn't 24 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 5: gone the first night. 25 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 2: That was my hope. 26 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 3: I just I know that on paper, I know that 27 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 3: was like a regular. 28 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 5: Fear, but I was, you know, on paper, Shano and 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 5: I do not make any sense, zero sense together. And 30 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 5: once we just started rolling and I got to know him, 31 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 5: he just was somebody who I really enjoyed being around. 32 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 5: And I think they cast really nice girls for him, 33 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 5: so it was a nice environment to have. Even though 34 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 5: there's always drama, I still had a lot of fun 35 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 5: with the girls. 36 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: So it was wait, I have to ask. I can't 37 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: let that one go. We've got a bunch of questions 38 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: for you, Catherine. But why would you say on paper 39 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: you guys were not. 40 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 5: Affect Well, he is kind of like all Americana, you know, 41 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 5: football guy from Texas, and I was like a hippie 42 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 5: from Seattle who rode the bus and was vegan and like, 43 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 5: so you just would not put us together. But he 44 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 5: was like somebody who I would have a poster yeah 45 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 5: all the wall. 46 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 3: You know, it's like a dream guy. 47 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 5: So I saved up all my points. 48 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 4: Oh your. 49 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: Friends, So wait, do you guys live in Texas? You 50 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: leave in Texas, We've lived in Dallas. 51 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 3: Well, it's called University Park, but it's down. 52 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: I live in Austin, Oh okay, perfect. 53 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, very close. Yeah, and the Seattle of Texas. 54 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 5: Oh that's where shawls from. So yeah, he went so great. 55 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 5: There's a lot of Texas connections. 56 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: Yes, So you guys have been married how long now, Catherine. 57 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: Well, it's actually twelve years in a couple. 58 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 5: Of weeks and soap children, three babies each children. 59 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 2: What would you say? It is the secret? I mean, 60 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: we all know marriage is tough. What's your secret? Even 61 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 2: though you are the perfect couple, I will say, what's 62 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: your secret to making marriage to making it last? Tell 63 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 2: us your secret? 64 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 3: Well, I would say it's twofold. 65 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 5: Want is commit You know, we might not like each 66 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 5: other every day, but you love each other and that's 67 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 5: kind of what you strive to remember. And usually the 68 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 5: other person doesn't really want to hurt you. We just 69 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 5: may see things differently, and so really committing to the 70 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 5: idea that that's who you're gonna be with and that's 71 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 5: who you committed to. But also, like, we have so 72 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 5: much fun and we genuinely are best friends, and so 73 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 5: I would say, like laugh together and have fun together 74 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 5: because that's what we do all the time. 75 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: I mean, I looked so ugly. 76 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 5: This morning and I was doing the dishes and I 77 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 5: was but he was like joking with me, and we 78 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 5: literally just said, like we're best friends. We genuinely enjoy 79 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 5: being together, and we spend so much time together because 80 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 5: we really we really do have fun and. 81 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: So nice I think about I want to cry. 82 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 5: I figured it out at least now, you know, it's 83 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 5: been twelve years. So three kids, Yeah, I love it. 84 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: And and your daughter name, her name is Anaa Mia okay, 85 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: so I have a granddaughter and it's Maya, and we 86 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: spelled it the same exact way. 87 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 2: So when I said. 88 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: And they said, no, it's a Miya. 89 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: So have your kids watched The Bachelor, Catherine, have any 90 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 2: have you allowed your kids to watch the show. 91 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 5: So they're nine seven and five so or nine seven six, 92 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 5: But they they've seen clips, they've seen our wedding, they've 93 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 5: seen like when my mom, like they did the hometown visit, 94 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 5: so they saw people that they recognize, but they're really 95 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 5: not interested. 96 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: They don't You're so weird, right. 97 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 5: And you know, Sean Love's like, you know, there's very 98 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 5: small moments where it's just us. 99 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 3: He's like doesn't want to show them all the other girls. 100 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're shielding them for a little bit, but 101 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 5: they've seen really special moments of our your boys, I 102 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 5: think they're so not I mean, it's funny how uninterested 103 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 5: they are. 104 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: They will when they get older, they will. I saw 105 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: your post about your daughter turning six. I saw your 106 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: post about Maya turning six, and I just I know 107 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: the youngest one. I also had three children, as as 108 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: to Susan, and it's just when that youngest one starts 109 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 2: growing up, it's tough. O. 110 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 5: God, I know, it's so I know, it's like you 111 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 5: just don't want them to Yeah, you don't want them 112 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,239 Speaker 5: to grow up, but you I mean, I've cherished every season. 113 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 3: I think this is probably our easiest season. 114 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 5: And I don't like, I kind of don't know what 115 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 5: to do with my arms because I'm like, I'm not holding, 116 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 5: I'm not feeding, I'm not changing. And they all, for 117 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 5: you go to the same school. They have the same schedule, 118 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 5: which is a dream, but it's also. 119 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 3: Like, where where's my limb? I need my kids so finished. 120 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 3: You know, it's funny that you asked that. I think 121 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:17,119 Speaker 3: we're done. 122 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 5: It's like ninety nine point nine, but recently with you know, 123 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 5: Jojo had. 124 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 3: A baby, Caleb Quinn had a baby. 125 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 5: I have friends over here that have just had babies recently, 126 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 5: and I've had baby fever probably for the last. 127 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 3: Month and a half. 128 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 5: But then you also look at your children and like, 129 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 5: the stage that we're in is so wonderful and it's 130 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 5: really easy, and I just get to have this rapport 131 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 5: with my kids that it'd be hard to start over. 132 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 3: But you know, you never know, you never know. 133 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: It's funny you you have two boys and then your girls, 134 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: your youngest right, yes, yes, and that is me. I 135 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: had two boys and then I had a girl, and 136 00:06:55,160 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: when and when my daughter was six, I think same age. 137 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 2: I really wanted another child, but I wanted a daughter, 138 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: and so my husband said, listen, if you can underwrite 139 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: another girl, let's do it well. So that that's why 140 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: I only have three children. I couldn't underwrite. 141 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: I just think sisters are so special. 142 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 5: I have two sisters and I'm very close to them, 143 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 5: and so I feel like half of me is like, 144 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 5: I'm so sorry I didn't give you a sister. But 145 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 5: then I kind of get to fill that role with her, 146 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 5: and it's such a cool friendship that I've developed with her, 147 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 5: so I'm excited for those chapters of just having it 148 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 5: be me and her and girls trips like that. But 149 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 5: you know, a sister, I'm the same as you. I 150 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 5: would love another daughter, and my sons actually would love 151 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 5: another sister. So I'm in a sticky spot. 152 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 3: But I think I'm I think I'm just content with 153 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 3: where we are at. 154 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: I would advise stay right where you are and then 155 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: you have life again afterwards. You know, yes, yes, there 156 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: is so much we want to talk to you about. 157 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: Besides your secret of making it last. What would you say? 158 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: Do you date each other every week? Like do you 159 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: have a special night for just you two? How do 160 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: you keep your romance? 161 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 5: Well, we honestly, we both work from home, and I 162 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 5: know that that's a lot of couples too. We just 163 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 5: make sure that we connect with each other all the 164 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 5: time throughout the day. We don't have date nights. I 165 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 5: would say most months we don't have date nights. It 166 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 5: does kind of start to show the romance a little 167 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 5: bit or road when you're not having that connection, that's 168 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 5: less playful and more romantic. So we are scheduling like 169 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 5: we're having a date night on Saturday, because we've got 170 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 5: it's gone too long, but we just try to make 171 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 5: those connections. I make him lunch, so I'll bring him 172 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 5: lunch and we have a moment there and just being 173 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 5: able to see each other and check in with each other. 174 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 5: I would say consistently, it's what's worked for us. If 175 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 5: you do work from home, make sure that you do 176 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 5: have intentional moments. 177 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 3: With your partner. 178 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 5: We also try to get the kids down early and 179 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 5: so we have that time. We love watching movies, we 180 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 5: love watching shows. We have a very similar taste in that. 181 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 5: So if we get the kids down at a seven 182 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 5: thirty eight, then we'll still have time for just us 183 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 5: to to do what we enjoyed doing. 184 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 2: I was doing a little snooping. I don't mean to 185 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: sound weird, but honestly, I just think you too, just 186 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: epitomize what I think a wonderful marriage and love should be. 187 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: And I was watching a video that you guys were 188 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 2: talking about aging out of Bachelor, and someone thought that 189 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 2: you were in the bracket of the Golden bachsl or Paradise, 190 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 2: And so I was on Golden Batslore and I went 191 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 2: to Paradise and I was laughing. I thought up and 192 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 2: you are a lot of things, but you are not. 193 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: Let's just put it out there right now. You are 194 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: not in the Golden. 195 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 5: I actually would prefer that category to Paradise in terms 196 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 5: of the old Paradise where it was very like, you know, mingling. 197 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 4: So I'm happy to be in the category that you 198 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 4: guys were in. 199 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: I do have a question for you. I've read that 200 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: you guys went to a marriage boot camp. Oh my gosh, yeah, 201 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: tell me about that. 202 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 4: So we did a show. 203 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 5: I think it was like it was right before we 204 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 5: had kids, so it must have been like a year 205 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 5: into marriage, two years in a marriage. But we were 206 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 5: the only people on the cast that were even married. 207 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 5: So it was kind of an interesting dynamic of people 208 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 5: that were there. But it actually helped us because there 209 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 5: was so much chaos with the other people. We actually 210 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 5: got along with a lot of them, but because there 211 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 5: was so much going on, we really like solidified our 212 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 5: bond within the house. I think it was two weeks 213 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 5: and it was like Honey Booboo's mom and people from 214 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 5: Basketball Wise and like Bad Girls Club, so we were 215 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 5: we were probably. 216 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 4: Considered like snooty or. 217 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 5: You know, like uppity or something, but we were just 218 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 5: like what is going on? 219 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 4: This is not at all. 220 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: Like what right because it says marriage boot camp and 221 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: nobody was married. 222 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 4: But you, yeah, I know pretty much relationship boot camp. 223 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 5: But there were certain like things that we did in 224 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 5: terms of communication and how to do things. 225 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 4: You know, obviously produced, but that was. 226 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 5: A very that made us really have more discerning choices later. 227 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 2: So I want to tell it really got what what 228 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 2: is a habit Kataine that you guys? Well, first let 229 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: me ask you are you you said you were working. 230 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: Are you still a graphic designer? 231 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 4: I do some graphic design. 232 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 5: That's not my raid, I would say, but I do 233 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 5: still have the programs and I still help people out 234 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 5: with graphic design and things like that. It's mostly recreational. 235 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 5: But I'm now like this year, I've kind of pivoted 236 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 5: from doing like entrepreneurial things into more of this. This 237 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 5: is the first time that I've done this because I 238 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 5: started working when I was like fourteen, doing different jobs, 239 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 5: but this is my first time like supporting my husband 240 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 5: and his things and really helping us. You know, We've 241 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 5: done furniture and so we still are working on Home 242 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 5: by Sean and Catherine Low, which has my name on it. 243 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 5: More fluff, which is a kind of an offshoot from that. 244 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 4: So it's been more. 245 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 5: Of a an not assistance, but like a creative arm 246 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 5: of the endeavors that he does the business side of. 247 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 5: So we really do work together too, which is fun. 248 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 5: But it's been more of like a domestic year, which 249 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 5: is so bizarre for me because I am not good 250 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 5: at housekeeping. I am not organized whatsoever. I'm like, who 251 00:12:58,840 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 5: put me in this job? 252 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 4: This is terrible. 253 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 5: I'm not good at this. But I'm trying to do 254 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 5: different facets of things. I'm learning different things and what 255 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 5: I'm good at, what I'm not good at, it's all fun. 256 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: It's all fun, all right. I have to ask a 257 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: million dollar question, if you will, Yeah, if your kids 258 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: wanted to go on The Bachelor or a Bachelorette when 259 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: they're adults, how would you react to that. 260 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 4: I would say it's fine. 261 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 5: My husband says differently, but I'm like, if you said, 262 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 5: I mean, obviously we all went on for different reasons. 263 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 5: But and there's not that many success stories, but it's fine, 264 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 5: and if you carry yourself well, I think it's totally fine. 265 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 5: Before I went on the show, I actually asked someone 266 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 5: that I trusted in my industry because I was a 267 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 5: graphic designer at Amazon and I really did want to 268 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 5: propel my career in that direction. I called him and 269 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 5: I said, what do you think this would do? Because 270 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 5: I am nervous. You know, I'm just gonna look at 271 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 5: it from all different angles see if this. 272 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 4: Is something that I do want to do, because I 273 00:13:59,120 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 4: did want to take. 274 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 5: It because it does affect your reputation professionally and personally, 275 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 5: and he said, don't do it, and because it is 276 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 5: something that could go wrong. 277 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 4: Right if you do. 278 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 5: Something consistently where you don't show who you really are, 279 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 5: you take direction that isn't really something that you would 280 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 5: do naturally, and you aren't genuinely yourself, that could hurt 281 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 5: you and then people could peg you as something that 282 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 5: you're not. 283 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 4: Well. 284 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 5: I just think that if my kids stay true to themselves, 285 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 5: they know who they are, that they're totally fine to 286 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 5: go on there as an experience and something fun. 287 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: Why do you think Sean doesn't want that to happen 288 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: because he. 289 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 4: Just probably wants it more traditional. I mean, there's there's 290 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 4: a lot of risks, you. 291 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 5: Know, being on TV and meeting someone like that, you know, 292 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 5: there are it opens yourself up to public scrutiny and 293 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 5: just that life. 294 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 4: So I think he's just like, you know, meet someone normal. 295 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 4: But I don't know. 296 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 5: There's so many people that meet for from reality TV, 297 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 5: whether with a bachelor or not, so I think that 298 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 5: might be the normal way. 299 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: Thank you for saying that, Catherine. I still have hope. 300 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: Now I still have hope. You hear that, Susan people. Okay, well, 301 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 2: here's one of my next questions for you, because you 302 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: were talking about your children. What do you think people 303 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: should know about their spouse or partner before having children? 304 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 5: Oh gosh, well, you know, I think, I honestly think 305 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 5: that having a pet really does show what type of 306 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 5: parent they're going to be. Yeah, I do, because it 307 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 5: is caring for someone that's an extension of yourself, someone 308 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 5: that you have to really think about, that you have 309 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 5: to be responsible for. And so how they treat animals 310 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 5: does I think show what they're going to be like 311 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 5: to someone that they love write a baby. Shlo had 312 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 5: two dogs when I met him, and he was he 313 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 5: really showed those qualities of being a leader but fun 314 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 5: and playful. He'll get down on the ground and takes 315 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 5: such good care of those dogs. So I would say 316 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 5: that is a good good way to see if that 317 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 5: someone is a good person for you. 318 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: To have a basic one that I have to tell you. 319 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: That is so interesting because what I tell people is 320 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: exactly the same thing. But it's not about pets. I 321 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: say to women, look at how he treats his mother. Yes, 322 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: that's what I say. I've never heard about pets before, 323 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 2: but I think that's I think that's actually valid as well. 324 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: That's kind of interesting. I'm gonna I'm gonna hold onto 325 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 2: that one. 326 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: Absolutely have have. Do you have any habits you or 327 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: Sean that you both had to unlearn? It's getting married. 328 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 5: I am known. I would say that this is a 329 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 5: creative thing. I'm just gonna say that because I'm marketing 330 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 5: my downfalls. 331 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 4: But I'm messy. I'm very messy. 332 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 5: I'm the girl that has to try on a ton 333 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 5: of different outfits and I just throw them all over 334 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 5: the place. 335 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: Down and hang them back up. 336 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 4: I do not hang them back up. I don't at all. 337 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: Let me just tell you, don't ever go to Susan's 338 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: ever behind you. 339 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 5: You're very clean, You're very tidy. But it's that is 340 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 5: a huge that's been like a bugaboo on my husband's list. 341 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 5: I've tried really hard. It's hard, though you have. I mean, 342 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 5: I'm very grateful, this is a blessing. But people send 343 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 5: me things. Right, there's a ton of boxes that come 344 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 5: in and I am like, okay, well. 345 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 4: If I get new stuff, I have to purge. 346 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 5: But I never get to the purging part because I'm 347 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 5: trying on new things and I'm like, oh, this is cool. 348 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 5: And so anyways, mine is messiness one hundred percent. I'm 349 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 5: still working on it. It will be a lifelong struggle 350 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 5: of mine. 351 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 4: That's I will say. 352 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 3: Trying to do that. 353 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 4: I'm trying to change that habit because it is not good. 354 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 4: He was not affectionate when we started. 355 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 5: He wasn't and so I was just like, I just 356 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 5: want to hold your hand. And it turned into him 357 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 5: really going out of his way because you know, he 358 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 5: didn't he didn't date a ton before we met. He 359 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 5: had long time partners but years before, and so I 360 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 5: think he was just kind of turned off to that 361 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 5: affection part. And so I was like, can I just 362 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 5: really would like hold your hand and be close and 363 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 5: like that part. So I think he ended up trying 364 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 5: to learn that habit and now he's very affectionate. 365 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 2: So oh, that's surprising. I would never have guessed that 366 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: he is very warm. 367 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 5: He is very warm, but I think just the touching, 368 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,959 Speaker 5: the physical touch and a girlfriend in public was not 369 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 5: something that he was used to. 370 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, my husband too, but I wouldn't have thought that 371 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 2: about a uphun. So, what's on the dock up for 372 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 2: you guys for this year? Obviously you're busy with business. 373 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 2: What are your big plans for the year. 374 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say my personal goals are like to 375 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 5: create more systems, and I think I just started reading 376 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 5: Atomic Habits by James Clear because I really do want 377 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 5: to get on a track where I'm successful in tons 378 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 5: of different ways, and I kind of feel like I 379 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 5: have a clean slate. Last year was probably my hardest 380 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 5: year in recent memory, and so I'm why why, Well, 381 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 5: my dad passed away and then you know the floods 382 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 5: that happened in Texas. Well, I'm I was very close 383 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 5: to one of the little girls who passed, and so 384 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 5: our community has really felt a. 385 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 2: Huge Like my kids went to school with one of 386 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 2: the parents that lost their daughter. Something. 387 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, the tentacles are deep with that tragedy, and so 388 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 5: We've just it's been a lot of mourning. It's been 389 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 5: a lot of like detachment from certain organizations and friends 390 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 5: and like not not anything negative, just it's just been 391 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 5: very much like a clean slate this year. And so 392 00:19:52,720 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 5: I'm really excited for relearning how to create successful like 393 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 5: me as a woman. Now my kids are kind of 394 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,239 Speaker 5: taking care of we don't have a nanny, so like, 395 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 5: but that's. 396 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 4: Really important to me to be really engaged with my kids. 397 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 5: But this year seems super open, and so I just 398 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 5: really want to get it right. I want to start 399 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 5: systems that work for me, work for our family so 400 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 5: that I don't let these really magical years of childhood 401 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 5: like go away fast because they yeah, and so I 402 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 5: want to take advantage of these of these times and 403 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 5: really be intentional on what this year looks like. 404 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 4: So that's a. 405 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 5: Huge one for me, just starting starting fresh and refocusing 406 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:46,959 Speaker 5: and then business endeavors and yeah, I mean, I just 407 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 5: I've been loving this chapter of our child, of our 408 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 5: of our family. We just have so much fun together, 409 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 5: fun together. We're all best friends. We really do enjoy 410 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 5: each other's company. So just really relishing in that and 411 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 5: being present in that you. 412 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: Have a great head on your shoulder. Yes, I just 413 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: love everything you're saying. 414 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 2: I'm fascinated that you guys both have thriving entrepreneurial minds 415 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 2: and business and you have three kids, and I have 416 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: three kids, and I know what it's like when they're 417 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 2: in school and the activities. How the hell do you 418 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: manage all of that without missing a beat? I mean, 419 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 2: it's one thing to say we're all really close and 420 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 2: we love spending time together, and it's a whole other 421 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 2: thing to say we're doing that. Oh and oh, by 422 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 2: the way, Dad and I have full time jobs that 423 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 2: take up you know, a lot of our day. 424 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 5: Well, I honestly, right now, I've because all three of 425 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 5: them are at the same school. I've taken like I 426 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 5: have two chair positions in the PTA. I'm also like 427 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 5: a room mom, which is a huge commitment, and because 428 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 5: my husband is portive of how much time I spend 429 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 5: at the school. 430 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 4: Because I really love these kids. 431 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 5: I love not only obviously my children, but like the 432 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 5: kids that go to school with them and who they 433 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 5: see all the. 434 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 4: Time, their teachers. 435 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 5: I was over there today just in the art room, 436 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 5: but I think it's I wake up today. 437 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 4: I woke up before five, which was abnormal. 438 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 5: But I usually wake up at five thirty and I 439 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 5: try to figure out how to maximize the different things 440 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 5: that I want to do. I do Bible study, I 441 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 5: work out a little bit. I need to get better 442 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 5: at that. But really it's just taking taking inventory of 443 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 5: what's important to you and focusing on that. I'm not 444 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 5: a master at all. I'm again like I'm saying, I'm 445 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 5: trying to relearn how I'm going to do this this year. 446 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 5: But you know, Sean has an office upstairs. I work downstairs, 447 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 5: and we just bounce ideas off of each other all 448 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 5: the time and it's it's really fun. But I would 449 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 5: say I'm really focusing on time blocking this year because 450 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 5: if it is not on my calendar, it does not 451 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 5: get done. And that like, I don't want to be 452 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 5: that type of person that's like every minute is mapped out. 453 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 5: But I have to have a manager of my life, 454 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 5: and it's me. 455 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 4: I'm not good at it. My planner is going to 456 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 4: be my manager. Exactly exactly. 457 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 2: Wowed. 458 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, we are going on the cruise. We're 459 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 5: doing the Bachelor cruise. That's so amazing. I'm really excited. 460 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,959 Speaker 5: People keep asking me about that, So that'll be in November. 461 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: Who will keep the children? 462 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 5: I think they're coming cool, and so my in laws 463 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 5: are going to come, and we're best friends with Sean's 464 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 5: parents and so there we're all going to come together 465 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 5: and experience a little. 466 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 4: Like family family vacation and then Sean and I get 467 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 4: to to be with everybody on the cruise. 468 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean, I don't I don't know my 469 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 5: That's that's it. It's really not that interesting over here. 470 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 5: I'm just a suburban housewife. 471 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 4: That's how I feel right now. 472 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: Because how about your parents that they're still they're not. 473 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 5: My My mom is in Seattle. My dad passed away 474 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 5: last year. He was in Mexico. My younger sisters in France, 475 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 5: and my older sisters in Mexico, so. 476 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 4: We're all over the world. 477 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 5: I think we're going to do a reunion this year, 478 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 5: which will be really nice because I really do miss them. 479 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 2: But do you speak other languages, Catherine? 480 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 4: I can. 481 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 5: I can understand Spanish. I'm better at listening than I 482 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 5: am speaking. 483 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 4: I can. 484 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 5: I can get away with conversational I started learning French 485 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 5: because my whole I was just thinking about this today, 486 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 5: which is funny. My younger sister married a British guy 487 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 5: in France and their daughters speak French and they speak 488 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 5: French all the time, and so I was trying to 489 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 5: learn French through babble to kind of like have a 490 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 5: continuation of that. And I went to France, I think 491 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 5: it was two years ago, to be with my sister. 492 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 5: And that's a hard language that. 493 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: I was just going to tell you. I'm finding it 494 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: very difficult. I'm getting nowhere are you learning it? I 495 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: was trying. I've tried, and you're talking to multi language 496 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: over here. 497 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 2: I'm not multi language. But French and Spanish are very 498 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: similar languages if. 499 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 3: You read it. 500 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 5: If you read it, but then when you hear it, 501 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 5: it's harder because like it's just they together. 502 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 2: Every every letter in Spanish is pronounced and not and 503 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 2: everything French. 504 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: The letters the last letter and then roll one word 505 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: into the other world actually whoa. And when I'm trying 506 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: to speak it, I say each word and they laugh at. 507 00:25:52,160 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: Como. That's great. Well, you are a fascinating a person. 508 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 2: We've got to ask you, Catherine, do you have any 509 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 2: questions for us? Because I could go on, I could 510 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 2: be asking you. 511 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 4: I can Yeah, you know, I do have a question. 512 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 5: Actually I have wanted like I just think it's so 513 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 5: interesting to look at your life and wonder if you 514 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 5: weren't the career that you ended up being. 515 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 4: What would you be. 516 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: Well For me? I had several careers. I was, I 517 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 2: was a teacher, I was a newspaper writer. But honestly, 518 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: I can't answer what career, but I can tell you 519 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 2: I so wish that I had lived in another country 520 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 2: and raised my kids for a period of time with 521 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 2: my husband in another country. I think that learning different 522 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 2: languages and culture is so important. And I and we 523 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: never when I first got married. We lived in Scotland 524 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 2: when my husband was an officer in the navy. But 525 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 2: I was a child when I got married. But I 526 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: would have loved to have lived in Spain or Portugal 527 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: or France or something so that you know, it's not 528 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 2: too late to go do it. But that would be 529 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 2: my thing, just to give my kids that experience. 530 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that. That's a good one. 531 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: And I've done so many different careers I couldn't kick 532 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: one amongst the other. But I like going abroad as well. 533 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: I would like to spend a little more time when 534 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: I go instead of a two week or you know, 535 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: maybe stay six weeks in different countries. 536 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 4: I like that. I like that. 537 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 5: What advice do you have for my chapter of life? 538 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 5: And what to look ahead to. 539 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: Keep your head on straight, focus on your family, which 540 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: it sounds like you are doing. I think you're doing 541 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: everything right. And I love that you're still career oriented 542 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: and you want to take off the book that you're reading. 543 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: I'm very curious of what it is it's telling you. 544 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 5: It's really to create not just focusing on the goal 545 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 5: that you want, because after you know, I ran a 546 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 5: half marathon last year, and right after I was I 547 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 5: did the marathon, I stopped running, and so more of 548 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 5: like creating systems to have it be a lifestyle change 549 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 5: based on what you're whatever you're thinking, like what what 550 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 5: you want in your life, to create a system rather 551 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 5: than just have a goal because that kind of has 552 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 5: an end date or something like that. 553 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 4: So that's that's kind. 554 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 5: Of what it's saying, to create like a sustainable lifestyle 555 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 5: change in whatever you want for. 556 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: Your life, because it doesn't sound like you need a 557 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: lifestyle change by any means. 558 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 2: You have at lifestyle going on, as I think, Catherine, 559 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: my advice to you would be, which is going to sound, 560 00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 2: you know, hokey, but you again is having having I 561 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 2: mean it sounds so weird, but you and Sean truly 562 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 2: are one of my favorites of all the couples. And 563 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: in that vein never it's so easy, and I say 564 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 2: this from personal experience, it's so easy to lose yourself 565 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: in your career. It's so easy to lose yourself in 566 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 2: your children and their activities. It's don't ever forget the 567 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 2: relationship to you and Sean have and really put emphasis 568 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 2: on that because if you guys have that really strong 569 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 2: bond that is going to ripple. That ripple effect will 570 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 2: be felt by your children and that will make them 571 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 2: grow stronger. And so keep those things important to you 572 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 2: and you'll be giving a gift that you didn't even 573 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 2: know you were giving. 574 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: I love that, And don't realize how much you are 575 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: admired in the bachelor world. Like you guys are success, sure, 576 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: sure success and still happy after all these years and 577 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: three beautiful children. 578 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have an age perfect and you're one of 579 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 2: my dam One of these things. This here was me 580 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 2: not worrying about my hair because I have terrible hair. 581 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 2: And this is just torture. I'm sitting here looking at 582 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 2: your gorgeous head of hair, and I'm like, damn it. 583 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 2: She's got a fabulous husband, three fabulous kids, a career, 584 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 2: and she's got a gorgeous head of hair. 585 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 4: We always do that, don't we. 586 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: Was it hard for you to move to Texas? 587 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 4: It was. 588 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 5: It was a very big change. You know, Seattle and 589 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 5: Dallas could not be you are fine eighty. I'm like, 590 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 5: what am I doing here? I do not have any 591 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 5: identity like Austin. 592 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 4: Austin is the Seattle of Texas. 593 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 2: That's right. 594 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 5: I've met a lot of cool people in this neighborhood 595 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 5: that are from Austin that I connect with very much. 596 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 4: And I also there's a lot of. 597 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 5: International people in our community, and so I've really like 598 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 5: interestingly been connected with them. But it's been really a 599 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 5: nice place to raise my family. I really enjoy especially 600 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 5: our community where we can walk to school, walk to activities. 601 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 5: I think there's like five kids on our block that 602 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 5: are just in my oldest son's grade in I know friends. 603 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 2: And when we've finished here, I've got to ask you, 604 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 2: because I have friends in University Park, We're going to 605 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 2: play that game? Yeah, probably know them. 606 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been I mean it's a really magical little 607 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 5: it's kind of like Pleasantville and they. 608 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 4: But I really do like the. 609 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 5: People are super kind in in Texas. They I've really 610 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 5: been blessed to get to know people who just like 611 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 5: very kind and that I've been so jaded. I've lived 612 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 5: here for probably now thirteen years. I went somewhere else 613 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 5: a couple of months ago and I was like, what 614 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 5: nobody even saying hi to me? Or I opened a 615 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 5: door for a man and he didn't even acknowledge me. 616 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 2: I was. 617 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 4: I was like, Wow, I'm really spoiled here. 618 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: So it's the truth. 619 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 4: I'm okay with that, okay with being spoiled here now. 620 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: Living there for nine years. And I go back to 621 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: Philly and they sound rude. We sound rude up here. 622 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody's so in Texas. 623 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 2: And I'm originally from Massachusetts, Catherine, and I've lived in 624 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 2: Texas many years, and it's the same thing. When I 625 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: go back to Massachusetts, people are like, why are you 626 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 2: talking to me? I don't know, but I do. 627 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 4: I love the East Coast vibe. I love it. I've 628 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 4: always really appreciated that. 629 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: Because that hippie in you. 630 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 5: I just like directness. I think it's really I love 631 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 5: people who are direct. 632 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 2: So you love me, right, I do? I do? 633 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 4: No question, So let. 634 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: Me ask him that the new season The Bachelorette with 635 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: Taylor Frankie. 636 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: Are you going to tune in? 637 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 5: They are so smart they just keep doing this. Yes, 638 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 5: I have, like I don't underestimate the Bachelor like the 639 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 5: people that are in charge. 640 00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 4: This is a good one. 641 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 5: I mean, whether you love her or not, this is 642 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 5: something you're gonna want to watch. 643 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,479 Speaker 4: So I definitely we're gonna tune in. 644 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 5: They always know how to refresh. It's insane what they do. 645 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 2: I think her season is going to be entertaining. Yes, yes, yes, yeah, wow, 646 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 2: that's goodness. We're so enjoyed today. 647 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: And that is it for today's episode. 648 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 2: Believe it or not. 649 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 4: I could talk to you guys for a long time. 650 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: I think I could talk to you all day long. 651 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 2: Well, we have really enjoyed having you, Catherine, and thank 652 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 2: you to all of our listeners as well. Be sure 653 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 2: to subscribe. We have new episodes dropping every week with 654 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 2: more of your Bachelor Nation favorites. 655 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: And listen to The Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour on 656 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to your podcast, 657 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: so we'll see you next time, and thank you so much. 658 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 3: For being here. 659 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 4: Thanks guys there. 660 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 2: Eight