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Speaker 1: What's up everybody walking to move the sticks? DJ? Bucky

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Speaker 1: too much, man, Just another another great day, another great

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Speaker 1: He's going to join the show along with Michael gerveis

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Speaker 1: someone you've known for a long time who's one of

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Speaker 1: going to the lead eleven right, Buck. Yeah, he's a

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Speaker 1: great guy. Man. He's great when it comes to like

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Speaker 1: know if there was a combine or whatever we talked about.

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Speaker 1: You talked about him and he was talking about the

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Speaker 1: way that he wanted to expand the way that they

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Speaker 1: were playing with the Rams, And so I think about

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Speaker 1: the immediate success to Sean McVeigh was able to have.

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Speaker 1: I think about how it took Kyle Shanahan a little

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Speaker 1: bit to get it going, but once he got the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: how it really exploded. And then I'm looking at the

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Speaker 1: other teams around the league. I'm looking at Matt Lafleur

441
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Speaker 1: having a thirteen and three season right away with the

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Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers. I'm looking at Zach Taylor hoping to

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Speaker 1: get to Cincinnati Bengals off the ground and upper running.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the impact that Gary Kubiak had on

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Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski in the offense in Minnesota and the potential

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Speaker 1: that Stefanski could have on the Cleveland Browns and Lauren Behold.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about a quarter of the league could be

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Speaker 1: running some version of the Shanahan system, and so I

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Speaker 1: had to ask around to see why is this so

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Speaker 1: appealing and the number one thing that I got back

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Speaker 1: from people that play in it, people that defended it.

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Speaker 1: It is a system where you can have average guys

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Speaker 1: and win games, but if you have great guys, you're

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Speaker 1: winning the championship. And they said, the system not only

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Speaker 1: elevates the running back and even the quarterback, but you

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Speaker 1: can turn average offensive lineman into really good players because

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Speaker 1: it's a system that isn't about moving people off the ball.

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Speaker 1: It's about the chemistry and connectivity between the five guys

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Speaker 1: up front. If they work in unison together, they seal

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Speaker 1: up all the holes. And then if you have a

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Speaker 1: running back that is disciplined enough to you attack downhill

462
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Speaker 1: play with vision, he's going to get four yards of pop.

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Speaker 1: And then when you add in the complimentary play action

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Speaker 1: that looks exactly like the running game at the front

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Speaker 1: part of it and Laure's defenders to the line creates

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Speaker 1: these huge windows for quarterbacks. You now can take an

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Speaker 1: average quarterback and make him look like an All star.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not calling these guys average, but let's just

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Speaker 1: talk about Jared Golf and Kirk Cousins and how they

470
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Speaker 1: looked immediately in those systems. Jered Golf went from looking

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Speaker 1: like a bus to being a super Bowl caliber player

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Speaker 1: at the quarterback position. And then Kirk Cousins has been

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Speaker 1: a dominant player when you've enabled him to play off

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Speaker 1: play action. I think it is a huge benefit to

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Speaker 1: being able to put these systems in place in a

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Speaker 1: league where the talent is very even What is the advantage.

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Speaker 1: I think people are finding a competitive advantage by using

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Speaker 1: the Channean system. Yeah, and I think a big component

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Speaker 1: of that is outside zone run game. And if you

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Speaker 1: think about outside zone, that stretch game that they use,

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Speaker 1: and they do it beautifully. I was thinking about it

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Speaker 1: from this standpoint. Um, you make big guys run, right,

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Speaker 1: You're making the guys in the line of scrimmage have

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Speaker 1: to run, and you're making small guys tackle. Yes, So

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Speaker 1: just think about that. Small guys are built to run,

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Speaker 1: big guys are built to tackle. You flip it. When

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Speaker 1: you run that much outside zone, you're forcing those big

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Speaker 1: guys to have to run and chase all day long.

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Speaker 1: And you can identify who you're gonna leave unblocked, and

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Speaker 1: you can identify, Okay, this little corner right here, he's

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Speaker 1: got to be the force player the way we're gonna,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna, we're gonna block this thing, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: make him waldough um, as we always like to talk about,

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Speaker 1: where's waldo? What do you attack? You can do that

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Speaker 1: in the run game, not just the past game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's that part of the run game. But here's also

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Speaker 1: the subtle tactic. Um. And I can tell you the

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Speaker 1: frustration that my teammates had in the mid nineties when

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Speaker 1: we played against Mike Shanahan running this offense in Denver

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Speaker 1: with the Royal Davis at running back. That outside zone

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Speaker 1: that you talk about, they were on two plays they

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Speaker 1: run inside outside zone. Outside zone is the primary. But

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Speaker 1: what they do on the front side there running and

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Speaker 1: stretching trying to reach block the guide that's in their area.

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Speaker 1: On their backside, they're cutting anything moving. So what happens

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Speaker 1: is they create seems in your defense. And after a while,

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Speaker 1: because I talked to Mark Slareth about this, he said,

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Speaker 1: early in the game, I'm cutting hard and I'm cutting nasty,

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Speaker 1: And after about a quarter of getting your needs taken out,

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Speaker 1: he said, guys don't run with the same vigor to

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Speaker 1: the football. And he says, what it does is you

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Speaker 1: get guys on different levels. You have seems and if

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Speaker 1: you're running back has the discipline and division, he exploits it.

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Speaker 1: And we saw it in the NFC Championship game when

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Speaker 1: Monster ran for two plus yards against the Packers. It is, man,

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Speaker 1: it is a thing of beauty when it is going,

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Speaker 1: and it is a very very difficult thing to defend

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Speaker 1: despite the simplicity of the blocking scheme. Yeah, and look,

519
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Speaker 1: they've implemented rules to limit some of the cutting that

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Speaker 1: you can do, but they're still it's effective. And then

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Speaker 1: if you can't, if you can't get to him to

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Speaker 1: cut him, all you do is wash him. Just take

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Speaker 1: him where he's going, Just wash him down the line

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Speaker 1: and running back and cut off his backside. So it's

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Speaker 1: it's I mean, I don't know why every team in

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Speaker 1: the league doesn't incorporate outside zone. If you're not doing it,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand it because because people don't have the

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Speaker 1: patience to do it. In DJ, we know, like the

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Speaker 1: simple things are tough to be disciplined to stay with

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Speaker 1: it because we always want to do more. We always

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Speaker 1: feel like, man, the more players we have, the better

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Speaker 1: we're going to be. What if what if someone stops

533
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Speaker 1: this one play, but it's the reps. It's the thousand repertations,

534
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Speaker 1: ten thousand repetitions of doing the same thing so you

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Speaker 1: can master it. And then it's about the camouflage. I

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Speaker 1: think the beautiful thing, and and and hearing Gary Kubiak

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Speaker 1: talk about it here and Kyle Shanahan talked about it.

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Speaker 1: He is same but different, meaning same play, different ways

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Speaker 1: to get to it. Last year to San Francisco, forty

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Speaker 1: Niners had pre snapped motions or shifts on seventy eight

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Speaker 1: percent of their place. Like, so they run the same play,

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Speaker 1: but they throw you out of source because Kyle Shanahan

543
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Speaker 1: is playing a shell game. They're moving guys around the

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Speaker 1: diverting eyes. I gotta commute to Kate on defense about

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Speaker 1: the strength call. Then they snapped the ball. They running

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Speaker 1: the same play, But I'm so caught up in all

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Speaker 1: the other stuff that I've lose my discipline. The other

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Speaker 1: thing that I found, Jimmy Garoppolo threw off play action

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Speaker 1: on thirty percent of his place. He's one of only

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Speaker 1: two quarterbacks to have overt of his dropbacks done off

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Speaker 1: play action. So when we talk about Jimmy Garoppolo going

552
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Speaker 1: next level, next level is cashing in on the layups

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Speaker 1: that Cal Shanahan is creating for him. The play action

554
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Speaker 1: gets guys open. Now you just gotta put the ball

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Speaker 1: off the square and hit the layup. Jimmy Garoppolo just

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Speaker 1: has to hit the lay up. Yeah, that's a great call.

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Speaker 1: And also going back to what you said before that

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Speaker 1: the simplicity the doing a couple of things really well

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Speaker 1: and then dressing them up, um, just just to give

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Speaker 1: an illusion that you're doing something different where it's all

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Speaker 1: the same exact concept. I think back when I was

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Speaker 1: in high school, not many people were throwing the ball

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Speaker 1: a ton of high school at that time. I graduated

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Speaker 1: and our coach had played under a guy named Bob

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Speaker 1: Leahy who had trained up I think he had been

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Speaker 1: with the Buffalo Bills back in the day, but there

567
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: was um, he had some West Coast elements. So literally

568
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Speaker 1: high school football team we ran basically shallow cross was

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Speaker 1: our our bread and butter. And you you all, you

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Speaker 1: buck all you've got. You've got somebody on a shallow cross,

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Speaker 1: you've got somebody on a choice route, you've got somebody

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Speaker 1: on a clear route. That's basically the play. You can

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Speaker 1: run it nine different ways. And now I think, as

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Speaker 1: you know, as a high school coach, man, if you

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Speaker 1: can master that simple concept, and now we can just

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Speaker 1: through motions and shift and who we have on the shallow,

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Speaker 1: who we have with the clear, who we have on

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Speaker 1: the choice as a quarterback, It's all the same to me,

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing the exact same read, the exact same thing.

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Speaker 1: It's just we might have guys in different spots getting there.

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Speaker 1: But man, that's to make it easy on a high

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Speaker 1: school kid. They're basically doing the same thing at the

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Speaker 1: NFL level with the run game. Yeah, it's it's it's

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00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's the simplicity of it. And um,

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Speaker 1: you know, like we we like to think that that

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Speaker 1: more is better, but really, um, I think I have

587
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Speaker 1: a buddy who does it. Like you can go to

588
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Speaker 1: Cheese Gave Factor. You can get a million things off

589
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Speaker 1: a big vast menu or right you know, or you

590
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: can go to In and Out and get a man,

591
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Speaker 1: do I want to double double with cheese like they

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Speaker 1: deal with burgers and fries and shakes like that. That's

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Speaker 1: and so you become great at being able to do that.

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Speaker 1: And I think with the Denver Broncos and in the past,

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Speaker 1: and Gary Kubiak and Shanahan and Kyle Shanahan like they

596
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Speaker 1: figured out very early. Man, if we just do a

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Speaker 1: couple of things and just master them and become great

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Speaker 1: at them, where we know exactly what you're going to do,

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Speaker 1: because there's only so many different ways that you can

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Speaker 1: defend this. So we're going to spend all of our

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Speaker 1: time practicing against the looks that we'll see as opposed

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Speaker 1: to the increase in the variables by doing more things.

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Speaker 1: No doubt, Um, I do want to get to By

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Speaker 1: the way, I should remind everybody you can. You can

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Speaker 1: find out more about this conversation. We're gonna have it

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Speaker 1: on the TV show Thursday, NFL Network six Eastern mentioned

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Speaker 1: Terrell Davis. We're gonna air a little clip we had

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Speaker 1: with our conversation with him about the system and the

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Speaker 1: and how it works and how you can excel. So

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Speaker 1: the Shanahan tree is is a very real thing, as

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Speaker 1: Bucky did a great job of explaining. By the way,

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Speaker 1: did you already write about this, Bucker? Are you writing

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Speaker 1: about it? I might about it this weekend, So it

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Speaker 1: should be done by Thursday and we'll have it up

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Speaker 1: for the notebook this weekend. Okay, so be on the

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Speaker 1: lookout for that NFL dot Com slash Bucky Brooks. You

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Speaker 1: can find the deep dive there. Um. I want to

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Speaker 1: get to a couple of these college kids, Buck. I'm

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Speaker 1: working on my my first Look series going through some guys,

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Speaker 1: and I want to start um with the one I

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Speaker 1: just finished, which is up on NFL dot Com. That's

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Speaker 1: your mar Chase from l s U. Because I said

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Speaker 1: it last year, you might have been in agreement. I

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Speaker 1: can't remember, but that was the deepest group of wide

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Speaker 1: receivers that I'd seen since I began scouting. Last year,

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Speaker 1: what we had was a zillion starting caliber NFL wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: But the best wide receiver in college football wasn't in

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Speaker 1: the draft because with Jamar Chase. And when I went

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Speaker 1: back and watched every single target from this past year, um,

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Speaker 1: that was he's better than anybody in last year's draft. Man,

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Speaker 1: after I got done watched him. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: your your background is on him or how much you've

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Speaker 1: seen of him, but he's outstanding. He is outstanding, man.

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Speaker 1: He is really kind of coming to his own. His

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Speaker 1: combination of speed, quickness, his stark startability to me is

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Speaker 1: that and I think he has a competitive edge that

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Speaker 1: shows up in big games. Like he he loves competition.

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Speaker 1: He plays really well in big games. And as much

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Speaker 1: as we both like uh Justin Jefferson, like, there's a

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Speaker 1: difference in the way that Jamaar Chase gets down. He

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Speaker 1: is a big time playmaker. Uh. He can do it

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Speaker 1: on the perimeter. And he is kind of what we

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Speaker 1: call the epitome of a number one receiver because the

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Speaker 1: number one receiver typically can play outside. He can win

645
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: without needing a lot of work or creativity from the

646
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: play designer. And he can do that. And you know,

647
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: when you think about the long legacy of L s

648
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: U receivers, Uh, he's gonna be one of the best

649
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: that we've seen come out of there. Yeah. The guy's

650
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: at LSU telling me that he is faster than Justin Jefferson.

651
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson ended up running what like four for three. Um,

652
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: he's not the tallest guy in the world. It's listen to,

653
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: but Buck he You know, we talked about comparisons and

654
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: and sometimes that is who guys look like and how

655
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: they run. Like I I did comparisons with kind of

656
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: what's inside this guy, like how he's how he plays

657
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: the game. When I'm talking about aggression, toughness, physicality, he

658
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: never runs out of bounds. I know some people I

659
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: don't really care about that. When I see a wide

660
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: receiver that's gonna lower his shoulder to get an extra

661
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: two or three yards in a college game, just to me,

662
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: there's a competitiveness there. Now, as you get longer in

663
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: the tooth in the NFL, you'd be smart and you

664
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: get out of balance and save your body. But I

665
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: kind of like seeing those type of traits. So when

666
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: I look for comparisons the way this guy plays the temperament,

667
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: I thought of an Kwan Bolton, I thought of Steve Smith,

668
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: and I thought of Juju Smith Schuster. Just think about

669
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: the toughness that those guys can work in the middle

670
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: of the field. They refuse to go down to break tackles. Um,

671
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: third down, red zone, They're gonna just out muscle guys

672
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: out physical people. Um, that's the type of wide receiver

673
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: this guy is. And I know that's that's that's Hetty company.

674
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah it is Hetty company. But I'm gonna go and

675
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm to say, like, uh, from a competitive mindset, He

676
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of an l s U along

677
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry in terms of like that feistiness. Now in

678
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: terms of his playing style, but um, there's an expectation,

679
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: particularly when Jarvis was at l s U today played

680
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: like running backs on the perimeter, like their their toughness,

681
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: uh stood out and it popped on tape. I think

682
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: Jamaar Chase has some of that. I think some of

683
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: the l s U, some of the other L s

684
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: U receivers also exhibit that. But he is a terrific playmaker.

685
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: And you're right. As much as we love last year's

686
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: class of wide receivers, I mean this year's classes every

687
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: bit as talented. When it comes to the guys that

688
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: are uh potentially going to be in this class, hit

689
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: on a couple more guys this one. I finished watching

690
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: this report I believe will be up Friday. But Travis

691
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: Etienne from Clemson, when I watched him, gosh, I did

692
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: him last year assuming he would come out and gave

693
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: him a big grade. But I wanted to watch him

694
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: with fresh eyes. Who went back and watched some more.

695
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: I watched the FSU South Carolina Virginia, and I wrote

696
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: down my paper Alvin Kamara, like they don't use him

697
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: as much in the passing game as we saw a camera,

698
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: but that type of and I know, I don't care

699
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: about the forty with camera. I think he ran the

700
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: mid four fives. But just that suddenness when this guy

701
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: puts his foot in the ground, he goes man. He

702
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: there is no no hesitation. He has got elite suddenness.

703
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: And I was impressed with his balance. Now, sometimes you

704
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: get some of those guys go back to like Steve Slayton,

705
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: like fast little bit and he was a little bit undersized.

706
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: His kids bigger than that, um, but sometimes you sacrifice

707
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: some of the balance and physicality with that speed. Actually

708
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: came away thinking this kid runs really hard. Yeah, I was.

709
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: I was um surprised by what I saw from him,

710
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: because it's different when you kind of do like that

711
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: spot scouting where you kind of you're looking at other

712
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: people but you're not really studying him, so you see

713
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: the flashes. But I was like, oh, man, maybe he's

714
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: just more of a like a straight line runner. Could

715
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: you hear about the speed and in those things, But

716
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: then when you watch him catch the ball, he catched

717
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: the ball very very naturally and They do a great

718
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: job of kind of flipping out those swing screens, those

719
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: moving screens where he kind of catch is it going

720
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: to the perimeter, but attack downhill. He has uh some

721
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: playmaking ability. I think the Alvin Kamara UH comparison is

722
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: one that is a good one because I don't know

723
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: if everyone paid attention to Alvin Kamara and what he

724
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: did in the passing game early at Tennessee. But I

725
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: think ett End is underutilized in the passing game at Clemson,

726
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: and if he wants to take his game up a

727
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: notch where he gets those accolades as a top ten prospect,

728
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: that would be the one area to to have more

729
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: involvement in the passing game because he certainly has the

730
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: skill set to be a guy that is having to involved.

731
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: He's one of the best draw runners that I've seen,

732
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: Like just because the sea opens up and he takes

733
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: the grass in a hurry. Yeah he's there and it's

734
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: it jumps off the screen. Um, you mentioned the screen game.

735
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: There's a great job there. He needs a little bit

736
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: of a runway just in terms of power like short yardage.

737
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes you'll see him get smuggled a little bit in

738
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: some short yardage. He's got power, but he's got more

739
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: power once you get to that second level, you know.

740
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: So to me, he just needs a little bit of

741
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: a runway in that regard. UM in past protection, very aware,

742
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: very willing, a little bit, a little bit spotty in

743
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: terms of the effectiveness. There's sometimes where he lunges a

744
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: little bit and he's gotta work on that. But Uh, overall,

745
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: he's a He's a talented player. In fact, I gave

746
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: him a higher grade than I gave any back in

747
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: last year's draft class. So that that's that's where I

748
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: think about him, which is fastening. Jamaar, Chase and Travis

749
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: at the end, I think are better than any wide receiver,

750
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: running back and last year's draft man, that's unbelievable. It

751
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: speaks to the talent that is available. It also speaks

752
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: to the way that the game is moving. Like these

753
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: explosive players, um that we're seeing year after year after year. Um,

754
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna create interesting conversations in UH scouting

755
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: rooms around the league in terms of like the skill

756
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: level that we're seeing come into the league and how

757
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: do we captivate that, how do we how do we

758
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: maximize that while building our team, is it better to

759
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: take these guys early? Are there so many guys that

760
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: are available in the second and third round that maybe

761
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: you can skimp it a little bit? Uh fascinated conversation.

762
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: I think, uh, decision makers will have to kind really

763
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: way value and production and what could be when it

764
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: comes to these playmakers. Yeah, you mentioned value and production.

765
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: That gives me. The last guy I want to talk

766
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: about today, who I gave a higher grade than even

767
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: I gave to the other two guys. That's Greg Russo,

768
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: uh edge Rusher from Miami. I mean, I know there's

769
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: I guess you know, there's mock drafts out and all

770
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: this stuff that have him already up there. I had

771
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: was not familiar with him, so when I watched him,

772
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: I had had no expectation what I'm gonna see. He's

773
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: listed at six seven to fifty three. Um, So I

774
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: went in and watched him. Buck you are you know

775
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: you mentioned this all the time, production, production, production with

776
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: pass Rushers. It's kid have fifteen and a half sacks

777
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: last year. I watched him against Virginia Tech, Florida State,

778
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: and Duke. He was the best player on the field

779
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: in all three games and it was not even close. Uh,

780
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: they can block him. So he he looked to me

781
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: like a polished the Neil Hunter. We did not see

782
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: a Polisiyan Neil Hunter at l s U. We saw

783
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: him grow and develop into what he is now. This

784
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: kid's this kid is on another level in that at

785
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: this point in time in his career and doing my

786
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: homework on him, Buck, he didn't played, he didn't play

787
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: defensive ends. He's a senior in high school. This kid

788
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: was a receiver and a safety at that side. So

789
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: I went back and watched his high school huddle as

790
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: a junior. Oh yeah, you're really fascinated. If he if

791
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: he guys here, if he made you look at the

792
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: high school huddle, you're all in all because I watched

793
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: minutes that thing all in He looked like Kevin Durant

794
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: out there running down the field like gazelle, just gliding

795
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: down the field. I mean it was it was incredible.

796
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: And he's Um, you know, he's got some polish. He's

797
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: not just winning with just speed. He can do he

798
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: can convert speed to power. He did that well in

799
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: the Duke game. Got a little push pole move. Um,

800
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: he's got a nice little RiPP move. He's uh, he

801
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: obviously can still win with with burst off the edge. Uh.

802
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: They moved him all around. They'll line him up in

803
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: a zero, they'll line him up head up over the

804
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: center and some of their sub stuff and just slant

805
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: him and let him move around inside. He's outstanding working

806
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: over a guard. They used him some as a three technique. Um.

807
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: So he actually I had tweeted out a video of

808
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: him and so he uh, he hit me on on Twitter.

809
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: So I took the opportunity to ask where his weight is,

810
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: because you know, sometimes with these guys, you see what's

811
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: listed and you kind of wonder where they are. Um,

812
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: he said. He told me he played at TOO forty

813
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: eight last year. He said, he's two sixty two right now.

814
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: So if we assume six seven his scouts, we normally

815
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: would knock that down an inch to assume he's probably

816
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: six six. Uh. That's that's that's pretty darn good size

817
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: man for an edge rusher that has that type of

818
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: athletic ability. Um, and then you you you factor in

819
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 1: the production on top of that. That's pretty insane. Yeah,

820
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: it is insane, And it's funny when you're telling me

821
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: about his high school background. It reminded me to our

822
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: conversation with Matt Rule. Remember when Matt Rule came on

823
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: and he talked about a you gotta think out of

824
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: the box when it comes to positioning players. Uh take

825
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: guys that were speed, uh merchants guys that were wide

826
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: receivers and dbs and make them lineback or removed them

827
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: down a level. So to think about the athleticism that

828
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: he had to be a wide receiver in high school too.

829
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: Then put him down and to train him as a

830
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: defensive end, that movement, that one on one ability, the

831
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: wiggle and all of that other stuff. It comes out.

832
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: And the comparison to the Neil Hunter, because I love

833
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: the Neil Hunter. Like the guy that I see for

834
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings. He has everything. Motor, explosiveness, athleticism, power, speed,

835
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: He can do that. So to get a guy who

836
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 1: has fifteen and a half sex and think about this,

837
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: the Miami Hurricanes weren't great last year, so he is

838
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: not getting those fifteen and a half when he is like, hey,

839
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: playing downhill, they have the lead or whatever. So he

840
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: is getting those in non obvious passing situations. That is

841
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: something that you have to be attention to can you

842
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: create it when everyone in the stadium doesn't know that

843
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: a surpass? That is something that really speaks volumes about

844
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: his game. And his arms look like their thirty five inches.

845
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: I mean, he looks like he's got unbelievably long arms.

846
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you don't know who he is already,

847
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: if you if you see a Miami game, you're gonna

848
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: want to pay attention to number fifteen greg or So

849
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: because he's you know, we're not supposed to say for

850
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: underclassmen how high they're supposed to go. But Hi, Hi early, early, nice,

851
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: nice and early. He is a one suit guy. I

852
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: can probably need to bring it up. He doesn't need

853
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: to worry about day two, Absolutely not. He'll be good

854
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: on day one. Um, all right, but is there anything

855
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: else you want to add before we jump out of here? No,

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Speaker 1: that was great, man. I love those first look series. Um.

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Speaker 1: It kind of western whistle a little bit in terms

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Speaker 1: of getting ready for the college season. And I know

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Speaker 1: we've kind of been hamstrong because I know you're a

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Speaker 1: big guy when he comes to the college football previews

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Speaker 1: and all those things, like, Yeah, I know it's been

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Speaker 1: a little slow with the production, but it's getting there.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. We're gonna see it happen. No, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. Yeah, I hope we uh, I hope we

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Speaker 1: have a safe uh football season, both at the collegiate

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Speaker 1: level in the NFL level, because man, we need it.

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Speaker 1: We uh we missed sport. It's in baseball. Let us down, man,

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Speaker 1: they're letting us down. Buck. See, you're we're hoping that

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Speaker 1: the Padres we're gonna kind of backdoor their way into

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Speaker 1: the playoffs season. Maybe no, And the baseball people are like, no,

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Speaker 1: I didn't have to earn their way to the title

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Speaker 1: that I canna be able to sneak in and have

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Speaker 1: a hot start. The only thing that the only thing

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Speaker 1: that comforts me is to know that we almost traded

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Speaker 1: a bunch of prospects for Mookie Bets might not be

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Speaker 1: a season, so I don't feel so bad about that anymore.

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Speaker 1: And he's gonna be a free agent. That is not

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Speaker 1: that is not. Yeah, I messed up, all right, na

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Speaker 1: Bill sending us a note here about Miami losing games

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Speaker 1: because he wasn't there to bring the swag. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that they already had the turnover chain and the

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Speaker 1: chalice and all those other things. When the turnover chain

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Speaker 1: fit over the Bill's hair, that's my question. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Can you imagine the Bill with the

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Speaker 1: turnover chain that would be I can? I can. Actually,

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Speaker 1: they would be quite the look. Oh yeah, yeah, there

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Speaker 1: you go. Uh all right, let's let's wrap it up here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for listening. Remember the TV

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Speaker 1: show six Eastern Thursday, you can catch more of that

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Speaker 1: conversation with Pete Carroll Michael GERVEI. I think you'll enjoy

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Speaker 1: that as well as a discussion on that Shanahan scheme

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Speaker 1: and what's going on around the league. We'll have you

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Speaker 1: covered there on the TV show. So I want to

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Speaker 1: thank everybody for helping us here on the podcast that

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Speaker 1: starts with Mark Brady, it starts with the Bill Um

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Speaker 1: doing a great job for us. So I want to

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Speaker 1: give a shout out to those guys for keeping us

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Speaker 1: rolling here. That's it. We'll catch you next time right

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Speaker 1: here on Move the Sticks.