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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast The What Do You Want Me

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Speaker 1: to Do? Make all the big decisions for you. Addition,

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Speaker 1: as my broadcast partner Dave Lapham joins me to discuss

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Speaker 1: the draft, free agency, NFL teams and salary cap hell,

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Speaker 1: the possibility of a Bengals Ring of Honor at Paul

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Speaker 1: Brown Stadium, and much much more. The Bengals Booth Podcast

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Speaker 1: is presented by Bud Light Seltzer. Refresh the game, and

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Speaker 1: here's a quick reminder that you can have the latest

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Speaker 1: or pod Bean. It's the greatest thing since starting the seniors.

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Speaker 1: This week was the final of the regular season for

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Speaker 1: many college basketball teams, meaning it was Senior Day all

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Speaker 1: over the country, the final home game of the year

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Speaker 1: where teams honor their seniors. Many coaches taken a step

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Speaker 1: further by starting all of their seniors, including the walk Ons.

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Speaker 1: Florida State did that this week, and the walk Ons

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Speaker 1: included Jason Lindner, whose dad was one of my high

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Speaker 1: school teammates, Jason scored an early basket in a lopsided

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Speaker 1: Seminoles win. Of course, when you start the reserves, you

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Speaker 1: run the risk of getting off to a slow start,

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Speaker 1: and that happened to you see last weekend when coach

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Speaker 1: Brannon started two walk ons against Memphis, quickly fell behind

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Speaker 1: six nothing and wound up losing by six points. But

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, it was still the right thing to do.

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Speaker 1: Walk Ons bust their tail at practice and help teams

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Speaker 1: get better despite rarely getting the opportunity to play. For me,

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Speaker 1: starting the seniors at their final home game despite their

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Speaker 1: gill level is one of the great traditions in college basketball. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's get to football. Much like the Bat signal, I

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Speaker 1: shined the lap signal into the nighttime sky this week.

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Speaker 1: In other words, I asked if you had any questions

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Speaker 1: for Dave Lapham on Twitter, and you had a bunch,

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Speaker 1: mostly about the draft and free agency. But I started

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Speaker 1: our conversation with a topic of NFL quarterbacks asserting their power.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with some recent NFL developments. Deshaun Watson launce

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Speaker 1: but he has named four teams he would be willing

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Speaker 1: to go to if Seattle wanted to make a deal.

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys, Saints, Bears, and Raiders. Here's my question. Is

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Speaker 1: this the start of a movement where superstar quarterbacks call

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Speaker 1: the shots? Yeah, it's pretty amazing, Dan. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: like when I start hearing what's going on and see

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Speaker 1: guys wouldn't even never thought about that. But it's it's

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Speaker 1: all about money and money's power. And I mean back back,

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Speaker 1: you know, when I was playing, coaches made more money

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in particular. So it's it's almost like so foreign

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Speaker 1: to me when I hear guys saying, oh, he should

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Speaker 1: put things together. I mean, not the game plan. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I understand that, but I mean, you want to be

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's almost gotten to the point where you

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Speaker 1: know there's a power shift going on. I just wonder

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Speaker 1: how far that PowerShift will go um and it's becoming

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Speaker 1: more and more like you know, the NBA, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Big three and we're going to try to win a

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Speaker 1: world championship. And the quarterbacks obviously the most important position

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Speaker 1: And I'm still not overly concerned about those kinds of things.

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Speaker 1: You know, It's it's almost like a double edged sword though,

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Speaker 1: physical decline. There's there's no question about it. But he's

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Speaker 1: Ben's the uber competitor, There's no doubt about that. And

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Speaker 1: big time motivated. But honestly, Dan, I think pounce he

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Speaker 1: Pouncy retired. They're they're just they're just not what they were.

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Speaker 1: it's about time, you know. I mean, I think it

428
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Speaker 1: is definitely definitely time for something like that. I can understand,

429
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Speaker 1: you know, Mike, Mike Brown and conversations over the years.

430
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Speaker 1: So I've had with Mike Brown. Honestly, his big thing

431
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Speaker 1: is he really does not a single players out. You know.

432
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Speaker 1: It's like he has an appreciation for what so many

433
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Speaker 1: players have done for him over the years from a contribution,

434
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Speaker 1: you know, to the franchise standpoint, that he just feels

435
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 1: like singling them out. And people are going to say

436
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: that's just an excuse they doesn't want to spend the money,

437
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: take the time, you know, whatever the reasons. But you know,

438
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Speaker 1: I honestly believe that's that's kind of knowing Mike, you know,

439
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: for a few years now, I think really believe that

440
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: that's that's his his mindset. Um. So I'm not sure

441
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Speaker 1: that that Katie and Troy and Elizabeth and everybody else

442
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Speaker 1: has the same shares the same opinion, but I do

443
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Speaker 1: know that over the years Mike has felt that way. So, uh,

444
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Speaker 1: if Elizabeth and Katie and if they can sell it

445
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Speaker 1: to Mike and and get it done, I'd welcome it

446
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: with with open arms. I mean, I think, you know,

447
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: you think about guys like Ken Riley, would have been

448
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: great if Ken Riley could have been in that ring

449
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: of honor before he passed away, and now I was

450
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: gonna have to be posthumously, so you know, it's that

451
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: that's you know, those those kind of things start coming

452
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: to combined right away. But um yeah, I just think

453
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Speaker 1: that that there's nothing wrong with shaner appreciation for the

454
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Speaker 1: history of France. I was given the fan base a

455
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: rallying point. Um, I see positives and all of that.

456
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 1: My impression from interacting with Mike over the years on

457
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 1: this subject was that his feeling was fall as the

458
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: ultimate team game, the right guard has just as much

459
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Speaker 1: of an impact on your success as the star player

460
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: whose name would go up on the Ring of honor.

461
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: But what I think might get mistaken in Mike's thought

462
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: process on that is that the right guard would appreciate

463
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Speaker 1: seeing the quarterback's name go up there, even if you

464
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Speaker 1: know that that player had just a bigger, bigger role

465
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Speaker 1: on leading the team to a great season. I agree

466
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Speaker 1: with you, Dan, I mean it was you know, when

467
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Speaker 1: when Kenny Anderson won a passing title. I know that

468
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Speaker 1: as aligneman, I live vicariously through the success of Kearny Anderson.

469
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: I feel like, oh man, you know I had a

470
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: little bit of a part in him having that tremendous success.

471
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 1: He didn't his his abilities, he executed it. But you know,

472
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: everybody had to do their job in Kenny Anderson to

473
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Speaker 1: do his job to the level that he did his

474
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Speaker 1: job to win a passing title, and he won four

475
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Speaker 1: of them. He won four passing titles. And as as aligneman,

476
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: you know that was involved with that. You know, you

477
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: think I did, I did, I must have done something

478
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: right some of the time, you know, and you do,

479
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: you start to you start to live vicariously through the

480
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: success of others, and that's what teamwork is really. You know,

481
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: everybody feeds off each other and you uh, you know, somebody,

482
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: somebody's always going to get more credit than others. That's

483
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 1: just that's just the nature of the beast. But um,

484
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: you know there everybody, if you're not doing your job,

485
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: you're gonna make it more difficult to everybody else to

486
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: achieve the success that they could. So everybody's important. And

487
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 1: I you know, and I agree with you. I do

488
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: think that that's Mike's mindset, that that's his pilosophy. He

489
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: doesn't really want to single people out because you get

490
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: you have eleven moving parts on offense and defense. You

491
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: have a lot of things going on out there in

492
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: the football field on an every snap basis, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to ask Lap questions. We've got

494
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 1: a bunch. We've got some good ones, many of them

495
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: dealing with the draft and free agency as you would expect.

496
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Speaker 1: Let's start with Vincent. Here is his question and ask Lap,

497
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: what would you address in the draft on defense? Something

498
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: specific or best player available? Well, I mean to me,

499
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Speaker 1: I guess you'd hope that that they would be one

500
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: and the same, that the best player available would would

501
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: address the need. And I'm one that would go if

502
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Speaker 1: it's if it's one of my top needs, if it's

503
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Speaker 1: a top two or three need overall, um, I go

504
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: with the player that fits that the best. Um, I

505
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: would not, I would not reach to address the need.

506
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: In other words, I would take the best player that

507
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Speaker 1: I have a need. Like I'm not going to take

508
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Speaker 1: a quarterback. If the best player available on the boards

509
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: quarter I'm not taking a quarterback. Obviously, we just took

510
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Speaker 1: one the number one pick last year, so you know,

511
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: you just don't go with best player available unilaterally across

512
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: the board. But if the best player available is an

513
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Speaker 1: offensive tackle, I go there. Best player available is a

514
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: is a defense a pass rusher that would scare people?

515
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: You know, I go there, um so I think that

516
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: it's in my mind it would be a combination um

517
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: and and and I perceive from there. I guess The

518
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: other thing that you that I would do if I

519
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: was ever running a draft is, you know, try to

520
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: try to find the best way that you possibly can,

521
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: because you never know how the order is going to go.

522
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Speaker 1: That's why the sooner in the draft and pick the

523
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: less variable as you have, so you know what kind

524
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Speaker 1: of player pool is going to be. But even projecting

525
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: down to the second round or the third round, even

526
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Speaker 1: if you have one of the higher picks, you don't

527
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: exactly know who's going to go where and when, and

528
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: what trades are in happening, all those sort of things

529
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: in the first round. But the best of my ability, though,

530
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: I would say, all right, well, the strength of the draft,

531
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: of these positions, these teams are going to make a run.

532
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: Just try to piece the puzzles together and say, all right, well,

533
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: the best player available there might be at that position.

534
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: There may be a guy in the second round that's

535
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: pretty close, but the best player available at this position

536
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: is so far ahead of the next guy that might

537
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: be available in their second or third round. That's my tiebreaker.

538
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: You know, I take the big, big picture view of

539
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: it as well. I just wouldn't, you know, pigeonhole and

540
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: focus on just that one pick. You know, I want

541
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: to try to, you know, strike us consistently as I

542
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: can't on a round by round basis of the best

543
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: player of available. Fitting needs, you know, to have a

544
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: larger degree as I possibly could. And when it comes

545
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: to defense where the draft is concerned, I think you

546
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: can probably eliminate a couple of spots with a high pick.

547
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: You don't need a safety at least high. Wouldn't be

548
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: shocked if you take one at some point if you

549
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: really like one, but you don't, you don't have to

550
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: worry about Bates and Bell in the short term. Probably

551
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: don't need a linebacker high with the three that you

552
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: drafted last year, although again at some point I wouldn't

553
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: be shocked to see them take another. So as opposed

554
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: to drafting for need, it's almost eliminating the areas where

555
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: you're already strong right like you know, um, I wouldn't

556
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: necessarily put running back up there. As you know, quarterback

557
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: obviously running back on the offensive side of the defensier,

558
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: like you said, safety and particularly inside backer outside backers.

559
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: If he's that dominant rush guy though, if he's that

560
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: edge guy, you know, now you get that hybrid. Is

561
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: it a defensive ends is an outside linebacker? What is it?

562
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: All I know is he gets after the quarterback. You know,

563
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: I may go after that guy. So yeah, it's I agree, Dan,

564
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm in the same thought process. Next question comes from Sam.

565
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: If the offensive line improved substantially in free agency, do

566
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: the Bengals still take Piney Sewell if available, or opt

567
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: for a wide receiver or tight end Kyle Pitts. Yeah,

568
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: or And the thing is, unfortunately this year from an

569
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: edge rush standpoint, there's no Miles Garrett, there's no Chase Young,

570
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: There's nobody like that. So, you know, the defense of

571
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: the edge rush guy, I think the Bengs gonna be

572
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: able to get a good edge rush guy in the

573
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Speaker 1: second round. I think University Miami has two, University of

574
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh has two. I mean, there's some edge rush guys,

575
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: so they're all not going to go in the first round.

576
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: I think somebody may be there in the early stages

577
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: of that of that second round. Um. Yeah, but that's

578
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: exactly right. If you if you go out and you

579
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: get a Tier one offensive tackle and a Tier two guard,

580
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden in the draft, you does

581
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: that change your focus? Does that change your thought process?

582
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: It could depending on who you get, and uh, you

583
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: know if it's that, it absolutely could. All I know

584
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: is from the offensive line standpoint, haven't played the position.

585
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: When we had our best offensive lines in the eighties,

586
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: Anthony Munio's was the eraser at left tack and a

587
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: sul can be an eraser at left tack from what

588
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: I've seen, And we had a black kicking guard in

589
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: Max Montoya who would just as soon beat the heck

590
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: out of you then look at you, and I think

591
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: that you know, they could go out and get if

592
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: you could get somebody one of those guards. You know,

593
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: free agency, you get tuney or shirt in free agency

594
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: and you get not soul. If you don't get tackled

595
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: in free agency and you could get sulf you could

596
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: have those two areas filled in. Um. I just know

597
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: that that that works. I've seen that work, you know

598
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: with Anthony Muno. As we said, we don't have to

599
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: slide always let's everybody else take care of people in here.

600
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: He's got him, he's the eraser. He's taking care of

601
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: that guy. Those kind of players are generational players are

602
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: like once, you know, just a dream come true for

603
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: any offensive line coach. And that's why I value Sulu.

604
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: And but but again, if if if they sign the

605
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: best tackle in free agency and Schul could go, Luke

606
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: could go before number five. Anyway, in my opinion, it

607
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: could happen. I saw Todd mcchay's latest mock draft at

608
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: least got four quarters Backstron the first four picks of

609
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: the draft by a trade with trade and all those

610
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: other things. But if Sul is gone, I wouldn't have

611
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: a problem then going, you know, going with the best

612
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: wide receiver. I wouldn't have a problem doing that. Um

613
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: the tight end, I know, I know everybody loves this

614
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: tight end and I can I can understand why because

615
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: he is a mismatched nightmare fan. The guy's six five,

616
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: two fifty and runs in the high four forwards. That's

617
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: what they think, think he's gonna run. But I'm not

618
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: even I'm not even sure he's an adequate blocker. Watching him,

619
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: he's he's willing, but not capable. I don't he's I mean,

620
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: they play him, they put him out there as a pie,

621
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: they play him in the slot. He's a big mismatch problem.

622
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: It's what he is throwing the football. And there's no

623
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: doubt that that he's a talented player, absolutely no question

624
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, the guy's a freak, and you

625
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: would but basically in football, you're you're trying to uh,

626
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: You're trying to create and then have the defense counter

627
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: your creation, and this guy would would be a point

628
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: of emas in that regard, you'd have to respond to

629
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: what the offense. The offense is dictating and the defenses

630
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: is trying the defense is trying to counter. When you

631
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: have a guy like this, this tight end tis there's

632
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: no doubt, but I'd still I mean, if we're going

633
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: to do something a receiver, I'd go Chase. The dude

634
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: had eighteen hundred yards and twenty touchdowns. Who were throwing

635
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: him the football? Joe Burrow, I mean, I think he's

636
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: the best receiver. Watching him. Then he's strong, he throws

637
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: people around, releasing off the line of scrimmage. You know

638
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: he's not He's not the most physically imposing. He's not

639
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: the fastest of all the receivers, but what he is

640
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: is a damn good football player. So yeah, I mean,

641
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: if I if I get my offensive line taking care

642
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: of in the draft, I wouldn't have any trouble saying,

643
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: let's evaluate weapons for Joe Burrow on the you know,

644
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: at the quarter back position. I don't think there's an

645
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: edge rusher that I'd take it at five necessarily. Um,

646
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't have a problem doing that question from

647
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: Alan is Zach Taylor on the hot seat if he

648
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: wins fewer than eight games this year? Oh, that's a

649
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: good question. I'm sure he's on his own hot seat.

650
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: You know, you'd like to see, uh, you'd like to

651
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: see the doubling doubling down continue one two in the

652
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: first year, double the win total of four. You want

653
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: to at least double it in year three the eight.

654
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: So you're you're you're at the over and under. I guess, um,

655
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think rather than just putting

656
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: a number of wins out there, because you never know

657
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 1: the reason for the wins and losses, Like we talked

658
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: about Pittsburgh starting out eleven and all and then all

659
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden they're in time. You know, they had

660
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: some significant defensive injuries, you know, and you can never

661
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: you can never m four cast the injuries that might

662
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: take place during the course of the season, and they

663
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: can cripple a football team, particularly injuries to the wrong people.

664
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Speaker 1: So I'm not going to say unilaterally, no matter what,

665
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: Zach has to win more than eight football games, because

666
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 1: you don't know what's going to transpire during the course

667
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: of that season. But with that, if he leaves training

668
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: camp with the team that is going to be hopefully

669
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: so much different than last year's team that won four

670
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: games in terms of what they're going to be able

671
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: to get in created see in another draft and developed

672
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: last year's draft class. I mean, everybody would hope that

673
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna win at least eight, maybe more, but you

674
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: don't know how the season's going to unfold in terms

675
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: of injury and other things that may be involved. You'll

676
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: also have one extra game. It would appear it looks

677
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: like the NFL's on the verge of going to seventeen,

678
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: and it would be a home game against the forty

679
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: nine ers for Cincinnati, which would be interesting. Next question

680
00:37:55,160 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: comes from Ryan if Panay Sewell and Jamars are both

681
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: god at number five. What should the Bengals do? And

682
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 1: he goes on to say, I think trading back would

683
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: be ideal, But if they don't, who should they take. Yeah,

684
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: that's the first thing that came to my mind. Trade back,

685
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: you know as well? Um, yeah, that's a that's a

686
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: good one. If they're both there at five and they

687
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: can't they can't find a trade partner and Chase is gone.

688
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: And I mean, obviously everybody's saying it's like, well, if

689
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: you don't take Pitts, you know, it's it's ridiculous. Pits

690
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: and Pits is shown up and everybody's and every every

691
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,959
Speaker 1: mock draft. I see, now he's not going any lower

692
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: than seven, you know. I mean, he's He's up there,

693
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: there's no doubt. And I do agree that he is.

694
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: He's a he's a talent that people have to He's

695
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: a matchup problem. That's and what you're trying to cause.

696
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: Every game in the National Football League is matchup problems.

697
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: And some it's hard for a coach do it by scheme.

698
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna scheme guys open all the time.

699
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: Shanahan has got a reputation and deservedly so. For scheming

700
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: guys open as well as any coach in the National

701
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: Football League. That's hard to do on a snap by

702
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: snap basis. You know, as we've seen Dan, windows are

703
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: tight in the NFL. That's the biggest adjustment for college quarterbacks.

704
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: You know, a guy's yard open in college, you don't

705
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: throw that in the NFL. That's as good as a guess.

706
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: You're gonna fire that sucker in there. So you know,

707
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: when you have a mismatch guy, you know, like Pits,

708
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: that's uh. You know, that's that's something to take into consideration.

709
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: You know, the Bengals, though, Dan, over the years, they

710
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: value corners as well. They've taken cornerbacks in the first

711
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: and second round. You know, may they may be the

712
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: one to take a cornerback with that with that pick

713
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: in the draft if they don't like any of the

714
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: other receivers, or they may have a cornerback rated higher

715
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: than they have Pits or or you know whoever else

716
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: that's left at number five when they when they do

717
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: their board, when they evaluate their board. I think there's

718
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: one other thing to keep in mind where Kyle Pitts

719
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: is concerned. I think people might be underestimating how the

720
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: Bengals feel or felt about c j Uzama working with

721
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. He was off to a great start last

722
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: year two games, eight catches, eighty seven yards in a touchdown. Now,

723
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: admittedly that's a small sample size, but that projects to

724
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: sixty four catches for six hundred ninety six yards in

725
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: a season, Andy tores Achilles. So you know, there's definitely

726
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: a red flag there in terms of coming back. But

727
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: I really think they expected that combination to produce big things,

728
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: and I think that I would be I'd feel very

729
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: safe and saying I have not studied Pits that much

730
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: in terms of blocking. I've seen them. He is a

731
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: contested catch full I mean, he's a he's a great player.

732
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: He is an offensive force, there's no question. But I

733
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Speaker 1: would stake at stake my reputation and probably at this

734
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: point cj Zama's or capable blocker, you know, than than

735
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: Pitts is as well. And that's that's a factor, you know,

736
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: when you get to this Leaguelet I do know one thing.

737
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: Pitts is not Kittle. He's not gonna block like like

738
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 1: George Kittle. I mean he's not He's not that type

739
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: of guy, I think, and he doesn't block as well

740
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: as Kelsey. I think, you know, that's an underrated part

741
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: of Kelsey's game. I hear all these comparisons to Kelsey.

742
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't think he blocks like Kelsey. Kelsey's a block.

743
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: Its Kelsey a block for him, and he really will.

744
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Jim. Is there an offensive lineman

745
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: and free agency that the Bengals could sign that would

746
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 1: be better than drafting Sewell? Or is Sewell a lock

747
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 1: if available at number five? Well? I think, I think

748
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: if you have have a chance to to sign like

749
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: a I know Trent Williams is on the on the

750
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: back nine. He's thirty two years old, but the dude

751
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: is a player. Pro Football Focus rated him the number one.

752
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: He was the highest rated offensive tackle in football. I mean,

753
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: if you can get a proven commodity like that to

754
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: line up at left tackle, he'd be able to play.

755
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: You know, he's not done. He's on the back nine

756
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: for sure, but he's not done, obviously. And whenever you're

757
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: taking somebody from the college level to the to the

758
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: national football level, there's already always a question about that transition.

759
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: And you know, the knock on sulas Organs the finesse offense,

760
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: and you know it's it's not it's not NFL piped

761
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: stuff all the way and from top to bottom in

762
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: terms of what they asked him to do. So, in

763
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: my mind, if you've got a proven commodity, um and

764
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: you know, or even if you could sign a gun, well,

765
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: it would have to be a tackle obviously for them

766
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: not to draft soul in my opinion, but it'd be

767
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: a guy like that. Darryl Williams had a great year

768
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: with the Buffalo Bills. I mean, if I if I

769
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Speaker 1: were able to sign Daryl Williams, even one of the Williams,

770
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: I'd be I'd be fine with they could sign him,

771
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: I'd be okay with him. And he's he's a little

772
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: bit younger too. I believe he's like twenty eight, twenty

773
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: nine years old. Yeah, he's twenty eight yep, and uh so, yeah,

774
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: I mean ta Taylor Molten's the other one, right, Yeah,

775
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: Molten would be the other one. Um. But at my level,

776
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: I guess from the Williams brothers standpoint, my Trent Williams

777
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: would be level one guy. Darryl Williams will be an

778
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: upper or level two guy, you know, for me, I

779
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,959
Speaker 1: don't think Daryl Williams would cost as much as Trent Williams.

780
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: And maybe you could, you know, get a little more

781
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: bang for your buck with Daryl Williams, because you'd be

782
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: able to go out and get somebody else as well.

783
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: But if you're trying to solve your biggest need, man,

784
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: go out and get Trent Williams, man and thinking get

785
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: him somehow you can get that done. All right, Next

786
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: question comes from Tyler. Here's how Here's what he writes.

787
00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: It goes Jamaar Chase, Kyle Pitts, and Tanay Sewell in

788
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: that order. Tell me why I'm wrong? Well, if Tyler

789
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: is going by alphabetical order, he's right, it would be Chase, Pitts,

790
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: Sewell in that order. But he's obviously not intending it

791
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: to be alphabetical. So tell Tyler, is he wrong Chase,

792
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 1: Pitts Sewell in that order? Well, you know, to me, Tyler,

793
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: Chase and Pitts are great players. But if Joe Burrow

794
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: doesn't have time to get the ball to Chase and

795
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: Pitts to moot point, you know that's why you know.

796
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: To me, all we've talked about is the number one

797
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,959
Speaker 1: priority is protecting Joe Burrow. It was tragic how Joe

798
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: Burrow threw the ball so much last year and took

799
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: a beating. So the best way to solve that problem

800
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: on Joe Burrow coming back from an ACL injury is

801
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: to make sure that he's got people up front that

802
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: are going to do a hell of a job protecting them.

803
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: Give him that much more time ability to operate, and

804
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: let those skilled people operate down the football field. I

805
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: mean a lot of these all these guys were on

806
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: good college football teams who had good offensive lines and

807
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: good quarterbacks that could get them the football. So they

808
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: may come into the NFL and it's like it doesn't

809
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 1: even look like the same guy. Well it doesn't because

810
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: the offensive lines, you know, getting taken advantage of more

811
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: than the offensive line that he played with in college,

812
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: and the quarterbacks not having time to operate. I mean,

813
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: that's why we were talking about before Mike Brown, it's

814
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: the ultimate team game. It is. I mean in first

815
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 1: and foremost, you know, you do have to have an

816
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: offensive line that is going to give Joe Burrow time

817
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: and confidence. I think confidence is going to be a

818
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: big thing. I think Joe Burrow is a very confident guy.

819
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: But man, after going through what he went through, the

820
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: traumatic hit in every sense of the word that he

821
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: took in the traumatic injury that resulted from it, you

822
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: got you gotta help it. You gotta make you gotta

823
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 1: make him not You're gonna make him right away feel

824
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: as comfortable as he did before the injury in that pocket.

825
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: The best way to do it is to get big

826
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: beasts up front. Question from Drew are there any under

827
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: the radar offensive line prospects or free agents that we

828
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: should keep an eye on? Huh? Under the radar? I

829
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: haven't really studied it the draft that far too. I

830
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: don't know how far into the radar that you're that

831
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: you might be talking about, but I get I think

832
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: the guy that that that I would maybe the level

833
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: two guy that may not get as much answers or

834
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: he might because he's a level two guy that dispersatile.

835
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: This Feeler from Pittsburgh, I think I think Matt Feeler

836
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: would be somebody that that Frank Pollock would do a

837
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: good job with. I really do. I think that I

838
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: think that that could that could potentially be, you know,

839
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: somebody that uh that they might might be able to

840
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: target a little bit um as a tackle or a

841
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: guard because he's played both. What do you like him at? Yeah,

842
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: I would see him. I would try him at both

843
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: and see where he fit in terms of working with

844
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: other guys. You know, I'm going to get my best

845
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: five guys out there, no matter what the situation is.

846
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: And if he if he ends up being you know,

847
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: in that mix at tackle, so be it. If he's

848
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: in that mix at guard, so be it. I mean

849
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people, uh, you know that

850
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: are really good lineman. I you know, um Jackson Carman,

851
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: a kid from from Clemson. I mean he's not under

852
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: the radar, but Fairfield High School, YEP. I wouldn't mind

853
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: having local boy. I wouldn't mind having that big old man,

854
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: uh in the offensive line. I mean, I don't know.

855
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if the under the radars meaning you know,

856
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: the guys that are talking about for top five picks

857
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: or guys that are later in the draft. I'm not sure.

858
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: But I haven't really studied, you know, all of those

859
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: guys that are going to be later in the draft.

860
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: At this point, question from coach k all Day, I

861
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: don't think this is Mike Chaschevski who could be some

862
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: potential replacements in free agency if Will Jackson leaves, well,

863
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: let's start with the notion of Will Jackson leaving. Do

864
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: you think they'll resign him or tag him? That's I mean,

865
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: I think I think they have the money to resign

866
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: Lawson and Will. I really do, and I'd make every

867
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: effort to do that. I think. You know, Karl Lawson

868
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: obviously is still an as sending player twenty five years old. Um,

869
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, he's obviously he's got power, he's be sudden,

870
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: he's got that really unusual first step quickness, explosiveness. He

871
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: didn't have length. That's the only thing about Karl Lawson

872
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: to me that you know, is the one trait that

873
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: you'd like to see that he doesn't have his length. Um,

874
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: but he's got he's got everything else. And then obviously,

875
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: I mean Will Jackson is when you look at the

876
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: top fifty players, both of those I show up in

877
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: the top fifteen, you know, on a league wide basis.

878
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: So if that's what you know, all the evaluators are thinking, um,

879
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: you know, why not why not make sure you get

880
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: your own resigned? You know, if they're you've got a

881
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: couple of top fifteen free agents out there, and uh,

882
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: you know what their strengths and weaknesses are, and and

883
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: you know what you need to work with them to

884
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: improve upon, and so I try to I try to

885
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: get them both signed. So that would be, uh, you know,

886
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: that would be my first answer obviously would be you know,

887
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily let him, let him take a walk.

888
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,479
Speaker 1: I try to try to get him under contract. I think,

889
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: getting back to what we were talking about earlier with

890
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: Gino and Bobby Hart, if they were to make those

891
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: moves to create more space, I think they would have

892
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: room for lossing Jackson and an offensive lineman. Yeah, if

893
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: they created more space, I agree. Next question comes from Man.

894
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: This is an interesting one. There's been speculation that Kevin

895
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: Zeitler could be available. That would mean he was getting

896
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: cut by the Giants. Would the Bengals consider bringing him back?

897
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: I would think that from an organizational standpoint, they would

898
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: consider it, but it'd be at the right price. Again,

899
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: Kevin Zeitler would be out there because he'd be a

900
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 1: cap casualty, but he's still operating at at an efficient level,

901
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,479
Speaker 1: but not at the dollars that he's you know, he'd

902
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: be currently making would he come back to Cincinnati for

903
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: a haircut. I don't know. I mean, I think I

904
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: think that both all parties parted ways on good terms.

905
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: I don't think there was any bitterness. I think that

906
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: Kevin Zeitler felt like he was treated well when he

907
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: was here with the Cincinnati Bengals, being a first round

908
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: picked out of Wisconsin. And I think they liked his

909
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: work ethic, They liked everything about Kevin Zeidler. They had

910
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: no problems with him whatsoever. Good locker room guy. Everything

911
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: was positive about Kevin Zeitler. So I don't think there'd

912
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: be any hesitation on their end. Now as far as

913
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: Kevin Zeiler's concerned, I don't remember Kevin Zieler's voicing. He

914
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: was not a very you know, somebody that would tell

915
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: you things were bothering him. He wasn't that type of player.

916
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: But I think that he was pretty satisfied with the

917
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: Bengals from an organizational standpoint. To me, that's not a

918
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: thing that's beyond the realm of possibility whatsoever. I think

919
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: they were a playoff team every year he was here. Yeah,

920
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: he was here during the height of the Marvin Lewis era.

921
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: There's no doubt and he was a really good player.

922
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just solid player. There's no question. He's

923
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: made a lot of money. So the decision would be,

924
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: if you're going to play for less money, would you

925
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: come back to Cincinnati or would you go elsewhere to

926
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 1: play for less money. If it's a team that's close

927
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: to the playoffs and his estimation that does need an

928
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: interior offensive lineman, he might choose that over the Cincinnati Bengals.

929
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: Can you give me your impression of him breathing after

930
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: things did not go well on a particular play man

931
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: he was Jean. He was a deep breather man. All right.

932
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: Final ask lap question this week comes from Dalton, who

933
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: does an incredible job of posting Bengals graphics on Twitter.

934
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: Here's his question. He would love to hear if you

935
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: have any stories about Jim Leclair boy. Jim Leclair guy

936
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: I played with for a long time. We were teammates

937
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: with the Bengals, then teammates with the Generals. Both went

938
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: to New Jersey at the same time and played a

939
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: couple of years there. And Jim Leclair I can tell

940
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: you a personal story my rookie year. We're doing interior

941
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: line drills, and it's interior running game, so there's really

942
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: no secret as to what's happening. I mean, all it

943
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: is is like a nutcracker drill that's expanded to like

944
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: about to entail. You know, six players, three on offense,

945
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: three on defense, a couple of guards in the center,

946
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: too defensive tackles, and an inside linebacker. So, um, we're

947
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: running the drill and one play called for a double

948
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: team on the defensive tackle and I was supposed to

949
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: rub off to Jim mclair to the next level, get

950
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: up to that next level on the double team, we

951
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: doubled the defensive tackle. I get a pretty good release

952
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: and I'm up up to the next level and I

953
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: start peeking to try to locate Jim mclair. I mean

954
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: I got hit. He put a forum on my forehead, man,

955
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: and I had the yellow flash, and you know, I mean,

956
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: the birds were circling and there was a long distance

957
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: phone call ringing. Nobody was picking up on the other end. Man,

958
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: I was, I was literally rung, and I thought, wow,

959
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: I mean, Jim McClair had an unbelievable forearm. So I

960
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: come back to the back to the huddle and Stan

961
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 1: Walter's a fellow Syracuse offensive lineman. He kind of peaks

962
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: his head into me. He goes, you okay, I said, yeah,

963
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: I think so, he goes. Let me give you a tip, rookie,

964
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: don't be peaking when you're looking for Jim Leclair. I said,

965
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: I found that out on my own. Man. That dude,

966
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: he could come downhill and he would just try to

967
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: drive your head into your shoulders and you know, make

968
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: him no neck. He was something. And another thing I

969
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 1: remember doing is going, uh to watch Jim Leclair wrestle Victor,

970
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: the wrestling bear that would tour the cities. And Jim

971
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: Leclair was a wrestling champ in college. He was he

972
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: was a great wrestler. And this dude had broad shoulders,

973
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: man like coat hanger shoulders and you know, tapered down

974
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: to no waste, and he was he was just really strong.

975
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: And Victor had a muzzle and they declawed him, so

976
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: he had taken to his teeth. Would put a muzzle

977
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: on him and declawed him. But it is a big

978
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: old bear. Well nobody you know, penned Victor and uh,

979
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: but Jim Leclair he starts starts going after Victor like

980
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: he's like he's wrestling in a college man. He shoots

981
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: a leg and he's trying to Victor down, you know,

982
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: and crisis swap. He got Victor on his back, and

983
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: the guy who handled Victor said it had never happened before,

984
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: and as soon as he got Victor on his back,

985
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,959
Speaker 1: he just the guy like waved it off ended the match.

986
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: I mean, in my mind, he pinned Victor the wrestling bear.

987
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, that's unbelievable, because Victor was They had

988
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: it. It It was at an outdoor camping show and they

989
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: had big swimming pools around the ring, and Victor was

990
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: backhanded people into the swimming pools. You know. Claire goes

991
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: up there and I couldn't believe it. I'm telling you.

992
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: Jimmy Leclair. And one other final story on Mclair. This

993
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: one's not quite as pretty, but this guy cuts him

994
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: off when he's driving the practice and just you know,

995
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: almost causes an accident. So, you know, the guy. Leclair

996
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: drives up next to the guy and the guy's got

997
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 1: like two other guys within the car and he signals

998
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: for Leclair to pull over. So Leclaire in this car

999
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: pull over and Leclair gets out of the car and

1000
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: the guy. The guy and his two friends get out

1001
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: of the car. They start getting after Leclair and he's

1002
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: innocent and they cut him off and the one guy

1003
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: takes a swing at him. Jim Leclair one punch of

1004
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: three guys, three knockouts, out cold. Police come. They're like

1005
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: trying to you know what went down here? And Jim says, look,

1006
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: he said, there's one of me, there's three of them.

1007
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: You know, what do you think happened here? And he

1008
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: was late for practice and when he asked him what

1009
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: happened he told him and I'm like, man, those guys

1010
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: bad decision to challenge Jim Leclair. I'm telling you that

1011
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: that guy, pound for pound, might have been the toughest

1012
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: human being alive. He shot the leg on Victor. The

1013
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: bear got the leg. Man. He's trying to do the takedown.

1014
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: He's throwing moves on him. He's doing the escape move.

1015
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: He was wrestling his tail off his classic. Did he

1016
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: ever share how Victor's breath was? He did, in fact,

1017
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: then he said the worst part of the Victor could

1018
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: get the tongue out of that mask. Victor's tongue was

1019
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: about three feet long. The Victor was wrapping the tongue

1020
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: around Leclair's head and he said that tongue smell to

1021
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: the high heavens. Boy, it's stunk like nothing he'd ever

1022
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: smelled in his life. And Victor, it was all over

1023
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: Jimmy's head. Yeah, he needs a shower after that minute. Dalton,

1024
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: I bet you're glad you asked for stories about jim Leclair.

1025
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: That was the perfect capper to this week's or this

1026
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: version of Ask Lap Partner. Thank you so much, awesome

1027
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: stuff as I always look forward to doing this again

1028
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: sometime soon. My pleasure, Dan feel the same, have a

1029
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: good one that's going to do it. For this episode

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