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And we were during 21 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 4: one of the breaks, we were looking up at the 22 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 4: TV and noticing that the coverage of a certain team 23 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 4: and player seems to have really really ramped up and 24 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 4: seems to really really focus in and hone in on 25 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 4: one player in particular, and it's not Aaron Rodgers. 26 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 3: LaVar. 27 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 4: You actually pinpointed this and spotted this. So I'll let 28 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 4: you take the reins on maybe some people feeling some 29 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 4: shame in the in and around the NFL based on 30 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 4: the new coverage of a potential starting quarter event. 31 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: I just think that coming out of the draft, it's 32 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: almost like the coverage of the draft was based off 33 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: of what was happening with Shador Sanders nothing else. Like 34 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: there's not one storyline that people can go back and 35 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: say this was a dominating storyline from start to finish 36 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: outside of the Shador Sanders conversation. 37 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: Yep. 38 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 1: So if you're by all stretches of the imagination, you're 39 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: the media that's you. You're sensationalizing, you're covering, you're leveraging, 40 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: you are benefiting off of someone else's misfortune, and whether 41 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: it was true or not, the narrative is so strong 42 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: and so guided by the influence of the people that 43 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: are connected to Chador, namely is Pops that I believe 44 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: coming out of the draft scenario, the narrative created a 45 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: feeling and a sense of shame, And I think that 46 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: the media felt a certain type of way. Media members felt, 47 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: in particular, felt a certain type of way. They've said 48 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: it as much. And these are influential people you're talking 49 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: about the likes of Stephen A. Smith and and guys 50 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: like uh, you know who's who's the draft specialists. 51 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: Kuiper Like you know you have all these other guys 52 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: as well Sanders Jr. So you get into. 53 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: Training or excuse me, the OTAs and and them being 54 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: on the field and what have you seen the entire time, 55 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: whether it be social media or whether it be the 56 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: reporting on the news, it's where what's going on with 57 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: Shador Sanders? 58 00:03:58,640 --> 00:03:58,839 Speaker 3: Right? 59 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: What other team are we talking about the fourth string guy? 60 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: There's no other team we're talking about the fourth string guy. 61 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: In fact, I would venture to say most of the 62 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: other teams we're not even talking about their first string guys. 63 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: It's a very very interesting dynamic that's that's developing here. 64 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 3: What I truly believe is taking place is that you're. 65 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: Seeing footage and content of Shador Sanders constantly being fed 66 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: to you. And it's the passes. Name one incomplete pass 67 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: you've seen them throw. 68 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 3: I saw a tipped interception, but that was on Twitter. 69 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 3: I did not. 70 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: I have not seen not one bad play of Shador 71 00:04:53,800 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: Sanders making the round circulating on television on social I 72 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: haven't seen one. So if you caught a tip, good 73 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: for you because you saw something that most people aren't seeing. 74 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 4: But to your point though, and whether there was an incompletion, 75 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 4: a deflected interception, a touch like whatever he threw a 76 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 4: slant route and for a complete the fact that we're 77 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 4: seeing it on seven on seven, yeah, on air. The 78 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 4: fact that we're seeing Kelly like the way that we 79 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 4: are you're being fed, is telling you're being fed Shador 80 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 4: Sanders moving the offense up and down the field, getting 81 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 4: them into the end zone, making completions. And listen, I'm 82 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 4: not here to try to put shadors. 83 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: Down at all. It's just an observation. Let me be 84 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: clear on that. This isn't me saying this like you 85 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: should hate Shador Sanders or hate Dion. That's in fact, 86 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: it's total opposite. I'm a fan of them. I'm not 87 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: against them. I'm a fan of them, but this is 88 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: an observation as a media person and is that the 89 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: stage is being set for Cleveland to be trapped. They're 90 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: they're in And maybe that's why you saw the looks 91 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: on them people's faces when they drafted, because for good 92 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: or for bet, they're trapped. 93 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 3: You know what. 94 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 4: I think part of it was tell me if this 95 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 4: is a crazy thought. Clearly it was a Jimmy Haslm decision. 96 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 4: I think part of the motivation was this helps drown 97 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 4: out some of the negative coverage over the Deshaun Watson 98 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 4: debacle because, as you pointed out, this is all we're seeing. 99 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 4: Have you seen any Dylan Gabriel? 100 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 3: Have you seen any of his throws? Have you seen 101 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:49,679 Speaker 3: any of his throws? 102 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 4: I don't even know. Dylan Gabriel could have changed and 103 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 4: gone right handed in camp. I would have known. Is 104 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 4: he still on the team? Where's he at? Ain't seen 105 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 4: at from? And also, you don't hear a damn thing 106 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 4: about Deshaun Watson to you other than his bachelor party. 107 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:12,239 Speaker 1: The one thing we saw with with come on the starter, 108 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: who's the starting? The one thing we saw with Joe 109 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: Flacco is him saying he doesn't want to be a mentor. 110 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: He's there to start and then the the the highlight 111 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: of him and Shador Sanders and Chador was doing some 112 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: type of dance and was trying to get Flaco to 113 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: do the dance and Flaco was like, I'm gonna go 114 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: throw this ball like I'm gonna go I'm gonna go 115 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: qqb this this this player two. You know, it's just 116 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: interesting because Cleveland is in a bad, bad, bad spot. 117 00:07:53,360 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: If if Shador Sanders isn't what, at at worst, the backup, 118 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: they are going to fry the media because of what 119 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: I think, because of what they feel coming out of 120 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: the draft and how they covered it and how they've 121 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: been shamed and made to feel like y'all took advantage 122 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: of Shador Sanders. Y'all drove a whole entire draft off 123 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: of Shador Sanders. 124 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 3: And they're right, whoever saying it, you're right. 125 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: If Shador Sanders at worse isn't the backup on this team, 126 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: there's going to be hell to pay through the media at. 127 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 3: Best if he. 128 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: If if I am the head coach, the GM and 129 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: the owner of this team, I'm naming Shador Sanders my 130 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: starter today to day. You know why Joe Flacco love 131 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: you to death. You gave us a good, good, good 132 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: little run. You're a raven chick Rocks, Kenny Pickett. You 133 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: ain't shown us that you that good at all. You 134 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: here for an insurance policy, Kick Rocks, Dylan Gabriel. We 135 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: took you with the third pick, third round pick. We 136 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: feel really good about what you could possibly be. But 137 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: do we ever see you as a starter? 138 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 3: I don't know. 139 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: It's a strong possibility that you're not a starter for 140 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: our franchise. It's a very strong possibility. But my goodness, 141 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: you probably can be a really really good backup for 142 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: us at some point in time. If I'm the Cleveland Browns. 143 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: If you're looking at the coverage of Shador Sanders and 144 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: the way all of this is kind of being properly 145 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: placed on the table, you about to get served. If 146 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: you don't see this coming, just name him the starter today. 147 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: Name him the starter, and let him do what he's 148 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: going to do for good, good, for bad or worse 149 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: whatever it is allowed for him to do it because 150 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: you drafted him. You drafted him, and it makes you 151 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: start to think, did he drop in the draft because 152 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: of his talent or did he drop in the draft 153 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: because of his fame. That's the conclusion I've been coming 154 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: to lately. It's his fame and it's his influence. You 155 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: do not want when you hurt Stephen, they call that 156 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: man comparable to Colin Kaepernick. You have now made this 157 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: a racial cultural comparison in terms of why this man 158 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: isn't being respected as a talent. You've taken it out 159 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: of the realm of being a player and being a 160 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,479 Speaker 1: pro and you've placed it in the social and cultural 161 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: expectations of a cultural and social and racially driven and 162 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: activated America. 163 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 4: Right now, it's dangerousus. The conversations surrounding Shador have kind 164 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 4: of muddied the waters on the evaluation of Shador, and 165 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 4: I don't know how to separate the two from the 166 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 4: standpoint of I'm not sure if he dropped in the 167 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 4: draft because of talent or because of other stuff off 168 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 4: the field, because it's not like he's been don't I 169 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 4: don't recall him every getting arrested. I don't recall him 170 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 4: ever getting suspended. I think they just are very vocal, 171 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 4: very confident, and the Colorado program felt like a rock 172 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 4: concert or a rap concert every time. 173 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 3: You went there, and it literally was. 174 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 4: They literally had concert, So there was just there was 175 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 4: a spectacle surrounding it for a team that didn't really 176 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 4: do anything. Ether then improved significantly upon what they were 177 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 4: before he got there and before his dad took over. 178 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 3: So I don't. I don't know. 179 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 4: Where the value of him is as a player, and 180 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 4: and I don't know what to really legitimately expect as 181 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 4: far as his role with this team, because if we 182 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 4: get to the regular season and he's the third stringer 183 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 4: and or they've got him, you know, sitting third string 184 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 4: and and he's you know, not suiting up for games, Yeah, 185 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 4: I don't. But it's think about the pressure you're putting 186 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 4: on the starter, Think about the pressure you're putting on 187 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 4: the backup. Oh look, I brought it up to Albert 188 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 4: Breer last week and it was just like, hey, man, 189 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 4: I mean, if you're Stefanski, you're kind you're in a 190 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 4: tough spot, dude like you, You've now been given right 191 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 4: or wrong, two quarterbacks and a quarterback situation from your owner. 192 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 4: One of them is impossible to succeed with because Deshaun 193 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 4: Watson is not even playing anymore, and the other. 194 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 3: You're damned if you do you damned if you don't. 195 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 4: If you start Joe Flacco and it's not going to 196 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 4: be shit or Sanders, then people are gonna be like, well, 197 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 4: you're gonna get You're gonna get pressure from well, I 198 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 4: mean you're you're kind of a middle of the road team. 199 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 4: Why not give the young guy a shot. I'm on 200 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 4: the storylines connected to that. How many different directions and 201 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 4: angles can you come from talking about how the Cleveland 202 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 4: Browns have handled that position in particular. 203 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 3: I'll say this. 204 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 4: People can say whatever they want about preseason football, tell 205 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 4: me you're not gonna watch. 206 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 3: Those preseason games for the Brows this year. I'm in. 207 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 3: I want to see him play. I want to see 208 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 3: how this goes. 209 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: It makes it makes the It's just the expectation, the 210 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: the the amount of attention as you're you're mentioning. 211 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 3: It just raises the stakes so high. 212 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: And it's a fifth round draft pick, a fifth round 213 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: draft pick, and he has been We have seen more 214 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: highlights on ESPN, NFL Network, Fox Sports, Fox Sports FS one. 215 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: We have seen more highlights of chort And this is 216 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: important to understand this piece of it because this small 217 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: detail of it will become a ginormous detail as we 218 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: move forward. You are seeing oversaturated coverage of a fifth 219 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: round draft pick completing passes over and over and over 220 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: and over again. You're watching a fifth rounder in practice, 221 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: not the game, not a game, not full pads, He's 222 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: in practice. 223 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 3: And they keep showing you clips like. 224 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: You think of the one where the dude dove and 225 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: cut it going into the end zone, like they're creating 226 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: NFL film highlights of Chadors playing ball in practice and OTAs, 227 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: we ain't even got the training cat. This ain't even 228 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: training cat. Can you imagine the coverage on Shador Sanders 229 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: when they get to training camp. They're going to have 230 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: a Shador Sanders camp. 231 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 4: Look, I know that it was impossible because of whatever 232 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 4: rules or restrictions it has, But that's why I said 233 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 4: at the time, if you were HBO, if you could 234 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 4: swap out the bills for the Browns on hard knocks, 235 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 4: would you not do it? Like it'd be the best 236 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 4: rated hard knocks they've had in years? Because people want 237 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 4: to see how this plays out. Man, how many how 238 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 4: many completions have you seen cam Ward throw the number 239 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 4: one pick in OTAs? 240 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 3: I haven't seen one. Yeah, I have not seen one. Hot, 241 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 3: I don't even. 242 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 4: Know if Jackson Darts picked up a football yet, I 243 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 4: have no idea. 244 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 3: I haven't. 245 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: I've seen Jackson Dark getting a lot of love and 246 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: a lot of coverage from the media, especially from like 247 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: the social media team of the Giants. 248 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 3: Like I pay. 249 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: Attention to all this stuff. I sit on my phone 250 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: and I look at all the stuff going on, what's 251 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: hitting the algorithms and all this and sports and DA 252 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: DA DA and NFL or NBA. 253 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 3: I look at all these things. I'd look all day long. 254 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: Shador Sanders, the coverage on him is wold. 255 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 3: It is w I L. D. Wild. 256 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: I'm telling you think about you're gonna stop. Everybody who's listening. 257 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: You're gonna stop. You're gonna take a moment, and then 258 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna take inventory, and then you're gonna realize that 259 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: Shador Sanders is being positioned to all of you. 260 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 3: To be the guy for the Cleveland Browns, and if he's. 261 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: Not, it is going to be every single reason he 262 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: was let down. There will not be one person that 263 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: says Shador Sanders isn't the starter or the backup because 264 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: somebody actually was better than him. Now, whether it's true 265 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: or not, I think the travesty here. Honestly, here is 266 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: the true travesty of this situation. Shador Sanders is a 267 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: hell of a football player. That young man can play 268 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: some football. He's been a clutch kid since eighth grade. 269 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: I know it because he played in my game. The 270 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: problem that's going to take place here is that same 271 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: pressure that is going to be applied to the Cleveland 272 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: Browns and to the starting quarterback or who's ever in 273 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: front of them. Multiply that by however many fold you 274 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: want to as to what that's going to look like 275 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: for Shador Sanders. 276 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 3: Because just as much as. 277 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: They'll build you up in these types of moments, we 278 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: paid it off. We paid it off. We did what 279 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: we were supposed to do. We hoard you, draft came, 280 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: we used you, we rode you, We attached to the 281 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: carts to Shador Sanders, and he delivered for our draft. 282 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 3: This year. You've been paid. We're even he gets in there, whatever. 283 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: Comes next is going to be based upon what his 284 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: results are. 285 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 3: When he gets that. If he gets that opportunity, it's almost. 286 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: Seemingly better that he not get an opportunity immediately, because 287 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: he'll get more fanfare for being victimized. Than he will 288 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: be for being the starter for the team. That's what's 289 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: being set up. That's all of this. That's the travesty, 290 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: because if he really is good, then he should be 291 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: able to have the fair opportunity to be measured and 292 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: weighed as being really good. I don't know that there. 293 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: It's an environment that's being creative for him to have 294 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: a fair opportunity one way or the other. 295 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 4: It's too far down the road. It's too far down 296 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 4: the road. And it goes back to that same discussion. 297 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 4: Sometimes backups, if they're too loud, aren't good backups. It's 298 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 4: almost to the point to where if he's named the 299 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 4: number two behind Joe Flacco, all the questions are going 300 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 4: to be when's he gonna get a chance. The Browns 301 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 4: are sitting at you know, I don't know four and eight. 302 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 4: They can outplay it. Yeah, you gotta be, you gotta be. 303 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: I would venture to say they might be undefeated, and 304 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: they still be saying they'd be better. They're setting themselves 305 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 1: up for failure and then the moment they lose, why 306 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: are you going to be saying, I told you if 307 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: Shador was in there, they wouldn't they wouldn't have lost 308 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: that one game, and meanwhile, Jimmy Hasmum's like, don't have 309 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: to hear about the Sean anymore now you didn't, you 310 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: didn't brought in another one, Hey, that's all it needs, 311 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: and brought in another one. It is And this is 312 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: not Shador Sanders, by the way, this has absolutely nothing 313 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: to do with blaming Shador Sanders. This has everything to 314 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: do with how media works, how politics work, how influencing works. 315 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 3: And that's where we live. This is this is where 316 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 3: we live right now. 317 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: Is that a fifth round draft pick is so influential 318 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: because of how strong and how clearly defined his brand is, 319 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: that it has created this type of coverage, and that 320 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: coverage will ultimately be the undoing of the Cleveland Browns 321 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: this year if they're not careful. 322 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 4: Damn right, Two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox 323 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 4: Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming 324 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,239 Speaker 4: up next though, we are going to get into a 325 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 4: conversation about leadership, all right, leadership in the NFL, because 326 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 4: somebody else is getting drowned out amongst all the other 327 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 4: quarterback conversations. You're gonna hear about it next here on 328 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio. 329 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and 330 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 2: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington and 331 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 2: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific 332 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 333 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 3: Is that crazy? 334 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't go five minutes without it popping 335 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: up on the television. 336 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 4: Olait Deshaun Watson's only twenty nine? 337 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 3: Ab what's it a year for? Every accusation? Every other minute? 338 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: Brouh. 339 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 4: Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio, 340 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 4: LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here coming up a 341 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 4: little over fifteen minutes from now. We are going to 342 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 4: a dust off, an oldie but a goodie here on 343 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 4: the show that'll be yours. On the FSR, we were 344 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 4: talking about quarterbacks in the NFL, most notably shout or 345 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 4: say Andrews is getting all sorts of coverage, all sorts 346 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 4: of publicity. There's also another quarterback who finds himself in 347 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 4: an interesting spot. 348 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 3: Uh oh. 349 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 4: That quarterback is Drake May who is the quarterback of 350 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 4: the New England Patriots. Mike Rabel's the brand new head 351 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 4: coach there. It's a new era of Patriots football, so 352 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 4: to speak because they decided Drod Mayo after a year, 353 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 4: after Bill Belichick after twenty something years, just wasn't working. 354 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 4: They bring in Mike Rabel. He's the guy. And now 355 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 4: there's the discussion about Drake May, the leadership of Drake 356 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 4: May and how does it look there in New England, 357 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 4: and here was Mike Rabel discussing it. 358 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 5: There is a lot of room to grow. I think 359 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 5: there's a lot of natural leadership qualities. I think I 360 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 5: have to encourage him and continue to encourage him and 361 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 5: to put him in those positions to do that so 362 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 5: that the players understand. 363 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 3: You know that there's a different version of all of us. 364 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 5: There's one that's maybe off the field, that there's one 365 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 5: in the meeting room, and then there's a version on 366 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 5: the field which we all have to understand is somewhat 367 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 5: different than what it may be off the field. 368 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 4: So the reason this come up is because I guess 369 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 4: they're going through some unique drills some ways to try 370 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 4: and get Drake made to be more vocal as a 371 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 4: leader to take on that role. And my question is this, Oh, 372 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 4: can you manufacture that? Can you actually build that or 373 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 4: do you just have it? And you've played with enough 374 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 4: quarterbacks during the course of your. 375 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 3: To be more vocal, to be more of a leader. 376 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: Generally speaking, that is something that you either have and 377 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: you just need to develop it, or you don't and 378 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: that's just not your way. Like people used to get 379 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: upset with Jeff George. I remember him being my teammate. 380 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: Jeff was a cool ass dude, Holitzer for an arm, 381 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: but he wasn't like a raw, raw guy, and he's 382 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: not gonna like he might talk to you and you 383 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: might have a conversation with him, like, hey, how you 384 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: doing da da dad? 385 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 3: Is that other? You good? 386 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: All right, sweet man? Have a good one like da 387 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: da da. That's about it. He's not going to be 388 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: a raw ruw. Come on, y'all like da da da 389 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: da da, Like let's go, let's do this, blase blah like. 390 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: He's not that type of guy. Some guys are just 391 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: not wired that way for one reason or another. 392 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 3: That's just their nature. That's just the way that they are. 393 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: I don't believe you can teach a guy to You 394 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: can help them to be more vocal as it can 395 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: help you with what's going on on the field, but 396 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: as it applies to like being a leader, I think 397 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: either you have that and somebody helps you you develop 398 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: that as you go, or you don't and you have 399 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: to figure out what's the best way for you to lead. 400 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: Because if you're a quarterback, bottom line is you have 401 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: to be the leader. You're the facto leader. So you 402 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: have to understand the amount of expectation and responsibility that's 403 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: connect to the position you play. If if you're insufficiencies 404 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: as a person, or maybe not even insufficiencies, but maybe 405 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: the things that aren't your strengths are something that would 406 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: hold you back from being at the highest of level 407 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: playing the position, then play a different position. 408 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 3: Like nobody says you have to. 409 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: I mean there's eleven different positions you don't, and I 410 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: mean there's more because there's special teams. You don't have 411 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,959 Speaker 1: to put yourself in a position where you're you fail 412 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: to achieve what you're trying to achieve, because what you're 413 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: not a vocal leader, like I don't know, Like to me, 414 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: being vocal is crazy. I had this conversation I was 415 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: I was doing work with men and we were going 416 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: over counting. We're sun we were we were counting learning 417 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: how like the count receivers, like you start from the right, 418 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: you start from the outside one two, where's number three 419 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: you start? If you're lined on the left, the same 420 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: exact thing. One and two is always going to be 421 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: pretty much unless you have a one receiver side, you're 422 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: going to count from the outside one. Start from the 423 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: outside one, all right, both both linebackers safeties, they're going 424 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: to count from the outsides. So if you have say 425 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: you have twin sets, you have two receivers on the 426 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: left side, you have two receivers on the right side, 427 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: and you have a back in the backfield, right, you 428 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: count one, two, and then three is in the backfield. 429 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: Same thing for the other linebacker. You count from the 430 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: outside one two, three is in the backfield. Now here's 431 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: where it gets confusing. If they shift, if they motion. 432 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: That's why teams shift, they motion, because you're basing your 433 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: coverage off of the numbers and the alignments of the players. 434 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: So just understanding and learning those things, you'll be out 435 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: there and you'll be. 436 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 3: Like, all right, all right, here we go threes in 437 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 3: the back. 438 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: Watch watch full flow set, full flow set meaning or 439 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: you know, match match it up, match it up meaning 440 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: if one and two cross within a certain like say 441 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: five yards, they cross each other, then the number one 442 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: receiver becomes the number two receiver. The number two receiver, 443 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: what comes the number one becomes the number one? 444 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 3: How about that? So then now you've matched them, you've 445 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 3: matched it. Or you'll say lock it up, lock it up. Locking. 446 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 3: So I got number two man, he's got number number 447 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 3: one man. 448 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: The backer over here, he's got that back. He's got 449 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: number three man. So if we say lock it up, 450 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: what does that mean? 451 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 3: Lock it up? So what does that mean? You got man? 452 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 3: So what does that mean? You got man? 453 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: Man? You stay on the man you're covering at the 454 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: start of the play, not matching, not switching. 455 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 3: If they cross, you have to be able to day 456 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 3: on that man. 457 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: So the point I'm making is for a quarterback, all 458 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,959 Speaker 1: of these different things that the receivers need to know, 459 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: or the linemen need to know, or the running back 460 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 1: needs to know. 461 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 3: You gotta be communicating. 462 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: You got to be able to really really verbalize what 463 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: it is that the center needs to know. 464 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 3: The conversation between you and the center. 465 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: You may look at your tackle, whatever it may be, 466 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 1: You're going to identify the backer. There's the backer, backer, 467 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: backer forty three, forty three, right, you got to be 468 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: able to communicate. Now, if we're talking strictly communication of 469 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do within your responsibilities of being 470 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: a quarterback, you. 471 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,719 Speaker 3: Need to be able to do that. 472 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: You need to be able to communicate, You need to 473 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: be able to give the plays. You need to be 474 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: able to make sure you're letting guys know that this 475 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: is the right thing to do. And that's what made 476 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning to me, the greatest. Here's the greatest at that. 477 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 3: So when you're one of those guys, that's one thing. 478 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 3: Are you communicating that way, because that is necessary. 479 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: But if you're getting out there and you're like, beat 480 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: his ass, let's go, let's go, Like like Brady Kim 481 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: comes out and he's head button dude, he's like, let's go. 482 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 3: Right, everybody isn't coming out with that type of energy. 483 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: And that's and when you try to force a guy 484 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: who doesn't have that that way about him, it seems forced. 485 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 3: Well, it seems disingenuous. It's not. To me. That's not 486 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 3: a win. 487 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, That's why I wonder if there are people that 488 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 4: are with the Patriots who were there last year when 489 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 4: he's a rookie, will they will if they see him 490 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 4: going above and beyond to try and show this new 491 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 4: leadership style. 492 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 3: Or be more vocal. Are there going to be people. 493 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 4: In the locker room that are like, yeah, whatever, dude, 494 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 4: Like we were here last year, like this is not 495 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 4: like that. You're trying way too hard. I just wonder 496 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 4: if I just wonder if people there will see through 497 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 4: the effort and instead of looking at it like, hey, 498 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 4: he's making a concerted effort to try and be more 499 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 4: vocal and be more of a leader, they look at 500 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 4: it and go, yeah, but he's like making an effort 501 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 4: to be something he's not. 502 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: If he's not being like a d bag to his teammates, 503 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: they'll probably support them. They want to win, he wants 504 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: to win, they'll probably support them. But if it's like 505 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: coming across like as d baggage, then it's like that's 506 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: what that's when you start to get into those types 507 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: of conversations like hey, bro, like relax man, like relax 508 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: with all that, Like nobody got no time for that. 509 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 3: Take that somewhere. 510 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 4: I do think the quarterbacks entering year two are more 511 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 4: interesting than the rookie quarterbacks this year. Other than the 512 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 4: standpoint of a shad or Sanders, which we discussed. But 513 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 4: I'm curious to see what cam Ward does well, I 514 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 4: really am, like, I'm curious to see. But you know, 515 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 4: my my expectations aren't all that high because I think that, 516 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 4: but I look at the quarter back centering year two. 517 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 4: Can jayde and Daniels Daniels do it again? He did, 518 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 4: Caleb Williams now has Ben Johnson, Drake May's got Mike Grave, which, by. 519 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: The way, Cayleb Williams had a very good season. He 520 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: had a fine season. If if Jaydon Daniels isn't lights 521 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: out the way that he is, it's a foregone conclusion 522 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: that Kayleb Williams would have been the Rookie of the 523 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: Year and would have been you know, he was. 524 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 3: Much better than people acknowledge. 525 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 4: But at but the problem that you had a camp, 526 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 4: the stand and the standalone games that you saw were meltdowns, 527 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 4: like whether it be the Thanksgiving Game all the other 528 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 4: stuff that went along with and he struggled early and 529 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 4: he you know, it was. 530 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 3: It was a clown show there last year in Chicago. 531 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: But if you just think you had a camp and 532 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: having the comp and Jaydon Daniels made it easy to 533 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: look at Caleb Williams and start to point out all 534 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: of his fault versus look at what he was doing positive. 535 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 4: It's almost as if you've got three rookie quarterbacks entering 536 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 4: year two in the NFL, because Drake May's got a 537 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 4: brand new coach in a new regime. Same with Caleb Williams, 538 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 4: and JJ McCarthy hasn't played yet, so and. 539 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: You know he's the most intriguing out of all of them. 540 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy will have the most coverage early on. Now 541 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: what he does with it will dictate whether that coverage 542 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: stays intensified or falls off if he is really good, 543 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: which I think everybody's anticipating JJ McCarthy to be a 544 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: really good quarterback for the Vikings because of everything that 545 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: didn't happen and the few things that did. And so 546 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: to me, it's like, were you fighting time with Sam 547 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: Darnold and you knew this is fighting time, And so 548 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: we're going to just go ahead and go with JJ 549 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: McCarthy because we feel like we're able to have a 550 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: level of sustained success putting him in at the starter 551 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: now and not having there be any road to have 552 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: to pave to get there. That makes his situation to 553 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: me out of the year two guys like Jaydon Daniels, 554 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: that will be intriguing to see if he can continue 555 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: that one hundred because he had an amazing season. Caleb Williams, 556 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: I think because he's a polarizing figure, you know, there's 557 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: a lot of other things that people focus in on. 558 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: I think that that'll play a part and why he 559 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: is a very, very covered and watched quarterback going into 560 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: his sophomore season. I think that makes a ton of sense. 561 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: But because of what happened with Darnald, because of what 562 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: happened with Aaron Rodgers, and because he's coming off an 563 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: injury and didn't play based off of the injury, which 564 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: by the way, he was in front of Darnald before 565 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: the injury. So I think that there's going to be 566 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: a lot of coverage on McCarthy to see what was 567 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: the whole reason for everything falling into place the way 568 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: that it did. 569 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 3: He also won't get. 570 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 4: The benefit of the doubt because everybody looks at Minnesota 571 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 4: like a turnkey operation, so much so that Caleb Williams 572 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 4: wanted to go there, as we found out, and so 573 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 4: did Aaron Rodgers. Because everybody notices Oh yeah, they're kind 574 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 4: of loaded. And Kevin O'Connell's a really respected offensive mind. 575 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 4: So JJ McCarthy like has to be, has to hit 576 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 4: the ground running or else all the other conversations will 577 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 4: stir up, and he's not gonna They're not going to 578 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 4: cut him any slack off. He struggles like other places 579 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 4: would when you can blame the pieces around you. The 580 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 4: pieces around him are pretty good, so much so that 581 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 4: Sam Darnald got a you know, an extension or a 582 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 4: contract from c and he's the comp. 583 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Sam Donald will be the comp. Everything that JJ 584 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: McCarthy does this year, the comp is going to be 585 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 1: what Sam Donald did the year prior. 586 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 3: So there you go. 587 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 4: It is two pros and a cup of Joe here 588 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 4: on Fox Sports Radio. Speaking of pros, how about Express Pros. 589 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,280 Speaker 4: Are you ready for a new job, Let Express Employment 590 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 4: professionals help. While Express helps people in all industries find work. 591 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 4: Our sweet spot is logistic roles and Express never charges 592 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 4: job seekers a fee. Go to Expresspros dot com. 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We'll get into that 610 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 4: for you again a little over ten minutes from now 611 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 4: here on FSR. Before we get to an oldie but 612 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 4: a goodie here a reminder to check out the Fox 613 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 4: Sports Radio YouTube Channe, I don't just search Fox Sports 614 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,879 Speaker 4: Radio on YouTube. You'll see a whole bunch of video 615 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 4: highlights from our shows. Be sure to subscribe so you 616 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 4: never miss our very best Fox Sports Radio videos on YouTube. 617 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 3: Let's make a hiss too, and. 618 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 2: Would you rather your random topics, sports or otherwise? 619 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 3: Right? Is this an oldie but a goodie? 620 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:22,439 Speaker 1: Here? 621 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 4: We figured we dust it off here during the summertime? 622 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,879 Speaker 4: Is it actually officially summer in or is that June 623 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 4: twenty first? 624 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: I think it was yesterday, right? Is it something like that? 625 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: I believe now, I don't know. 626 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 3: I think it was, but I could be wrong. 627 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 4: But it is where we've got some different options out 628 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 4: there we've got to choose from, and it is all 629 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 4: courtesy of our executive producer, lead to wib. 630 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 6: Yes, start of summer is June twentieth, even though this 631 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 6: does say that it is summer right now. 632 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 3: So I thought I started like a day or so ago. 633 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 6: But all right, all right, well let's start off with 634 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 6: the sports related one. 635 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 3: How about this? 636 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 6: Would you rather have Alexander Jalen Ramsey on your team? 637 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 3: I'll take Jalen Ramsey. Yeah, I'm gonna take Ramsey. 638 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:09,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 639 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 6: Well I can't have ears, so I guess I'll go 640 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 6: Jalen Ramsey on that one. 641 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 3: Guys, would you rather. 642 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 6: By used underwear or a used toothbrush? 643 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,720 Speaker 3: Neither? Jesus Yeah, I'm not playing that game. 644 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: I'm not going to put nobody's dirtiness down low on me, 645 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: by the way, and I'm definitely not too brushing it 646 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: with somebody. 647 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 3: I'd rather use my finger, by the way. 648 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 4: I had a guy I bought underwear one time a 649 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 4: couple of years ago at this store. I think, really, 650 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 4: he goes, hey, reminder, wait, he. 651 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 3: Was talking to you while you were buying. 652 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 4: Underwear, was paying for it, and he's like, you need 653 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 4: to receive it. He's like, no, I'm good, he goes, yeah, 654 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 4: so you can't return these? Like, clearly, what do you 655 00:37:59,480 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 4: think I was? 656 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 3: We need somebody to go down al four al fo. 657 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, we need them to check on the price extra 658 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 1: small fruit of the loons. Damn yes, that's right, we 659 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: need a price on extra small fruit of the loons. 660 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 3: Thank you. 661 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 4: It's like, why would I return? Who even thinks about 662 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 4: returning underwear? I can't try it. 663 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 3: On, that's man. Just trust us. Don't like these draws. 664 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 3: Trust what you got. 665 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 4: And you know what, though, there's probably some sad sacks 666 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 4: somewhere working at a department store who would take the 667 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 4: return item just because it's the path of least resistance. No, 668 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 4: you do not want somebody else's crotch rot on yours. 669 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 4: Because they decided they didn't want that pair of drawers anymore. 670 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 3: You know who would return their underwear? Lee, Rob Parker, Oh. 671 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah yeah, but. 672 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 1: Would he wear used underwear if you got a good 673 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: deal for free. I don't like y'all speaking that type 674 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: of evil. Long Rob stun. He's not here to defend himself. 675 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: We're going to strike that one from the record, all right, 676 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: keep going. 677 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 4: It's a good cook quote, the greatest crotch rot of 678 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 4: all time? 679 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,760 Speaker 1: Stop it? 680 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:14,240 Speaker 2: Guys? 681 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,760 Speaker 3: Would you rather find mention? Guys? 682 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 6: Would you rather find five dollars in your pocket? That's 683 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 6: always fun? Or one hundred dollars floating in a public toilet? 684 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 6: Clean public toilet. But I don't care if the toilet 685 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 6: isn't clean. I'm gonna get that hundred hundred bucks. 686 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. Hello, that's probably the cleanest that hundred dollars bill 687 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 3: has been. I'm surprised you guys with that went there. 688 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,280 Speaker 1: Why all I gotta do is get it out without 689 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: getting the fecal matters. I would call it feqal matter. Yeah, 690 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: get it out without getting out all my hands, that's all. 691 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna wash that bill and my hands thoroughly. 692 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 4: I fetched out an eight dollars pair of sunglasses out 693 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 4: of a toilet one time, tang a hundred bucks. 694 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 3: That ain't enoughing. I'm in a hundred dollars. I'm gonna 695 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 3: go here, put my hand in there.