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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Happy

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Speaker 2: Halloween to all of you out there celebrating. Not Buck Sexton,

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Speaker 2: who hates Halloween, the only person I may know in

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Speaker 2: America who hates Halloween. We'll have a little bit of

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Speaker 2: spooky fun with all of you as we roll throughout

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Speaker 2: this day. I know a lot of kids and grandkids

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Speaker 2: and also many adults out there will be going a

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Speaker 2: little bit a little bit fasted. Buck, you're did you

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Speaker 2: get the candy? Are you going to at least give

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Speaker 2: candy out to children who knock on your door?

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Speaker 3: Not only is my wife responsible now for picking up

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Speaker 3: a bunch of candy so that we can spread I

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Speaker 3: don't know what this, this notion that I'm so anti

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Speaker 3: Halloween just because I don't address Halloween hater, I think

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Speaker 3: you should just own it. There's probably a segment of

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Speaker 3: the population. You could be their king. I just because

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Speaker 3: I don't dress up as like mister potato Head or

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Speaker 3: something where I'm not dressed as Taylor Swift's new bau.

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Speaker 2: Whatever, everybody dress as Travis Kelcey and Taylor Swift this year.

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Speaker 1: That's my number one Halloween costume.

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Speaker 3: I don't think anybody would buy me as Travis Kelcey,

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Speaker 3: so i'd probably stay away from that costume. Nonetheless, no,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna be given out candy. We might even have

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Speaker 3: the depending. The puppy if she's in a teething mood,

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Speaker 3: might be kind of terrifying, So we could probably put

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Speaker 3: like a little you know, Dracula cape on her because

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Speaker 3: she likes to she likes to nip like Dracula does.

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Speaker 2: The dogs getting dressed up, I'm not gonna lie, especially

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Speaker 2: when they put fake legs on them and it looks

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Speaker 2: like they're running. I mean, those videos are very popular

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Speaker 2: on Instagram. I can't I laugh every time I see it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it works on me, the dogs in costume.

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Speaker 2: So if you guys now have the opportunity, I.

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Speaker 3: Have a confession to make real quick, which is that

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Speaker 3: you know, we do have some candy already in the house,

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Speaker 3: and I just think that Reese's pieces are fair game.

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Speaker 3: Like I don't think that has to be a Halloween

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Speaker 3: candy thing. Like, I think you can just hit the

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Speaker 3: Reese's pieces whenever you feel like it. You mean, the

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Speaker 3: peanut buttercups, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

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Speaker 2: I think the Reese's Peanut butter cup is the absolute

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Speaker 2: apex of can the creation.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can be.

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Speaker 2: I think that's actually the most popular single candy. What

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Speaker 2: you'll see at some point, Buck, when you have children

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Speaker 2: is Halloween is a great opportunity to teach him about taxation.

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Speaker 1: So the dad tax shows up.

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Speaker 2: And they come back with, you know, tons of candy,

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Speaker 2: and Dad will dive in and say, hey, this is

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Speaker 2: what the government does. Government just takes you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: you you did all the work, you brought it back home.

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Speaker 2: And then Dad's big government just goes right into the

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Speaker 2: candy and takes whatever he wants. A percentage of your

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Speaker 2: urice's piece is missing, and all of a sudden you

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Speaker 2: recognize that maybe taxation is theft. The other thing that

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Speaker 2: your kids will get smart about, Buck one day, is

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Speaker 2: they know what I like the best. So when people

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Speaker 2: leave candy out and they get to pick what candy

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Speaker 2: that they want to get, you know, this is not

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Speaker 2: a nice thing to do. If you're going to be

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Speaker 2: out of a town. Put the ball out, say, you know,

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Speaker 2: take one piece. Kids will hopefully hit be honest do it.

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Speaker 2: But I love peanut m and ms. For instance, my

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Speaker 2: know that Dad is more likely to tax that. So

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Speaker 2: it shows up. So again, parents, good opportunity to teach

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Speaker 2: taking a few pieces of candy. Later tonight, all that's

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Speaker 2: going on, we'll have some fun with that. I watched

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Speaker 2: Scream last night with the boys.

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Speaker 1: Buck.

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Speaker 2: We've been watching a lot of Halloween movies the Lost Boys.

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Speaker 2: It's been a lot of fun to watch the eighties

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Speaker 2: Israel is probably one that doesn't happen on very many

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Speaker 2: I think a really strong editorial in this morning's Wall

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Speaker 2: Street Journal Buck making basically the same argument, which is this,

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Speaker 2: what is going on in Israel right now, anyone who

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Speaker 2: is arguing for a ceasefire would essentially be saying, after

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Speaker 2: which I think is a pretty powerful argument.

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Speaker 4: I want to make clear Israel's position regarding the cease fire.

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Speaker 4: Just as the United States would not agree to a

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Speaker 4: cease fire after the bombing of Pearl Harbor or after

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Speaker 4: the terrorist attack of nine to eleven, Israel will not

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Speaker 4: horrific attacks of October seventh.

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Speaker 1: Calls for a cease fire.

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Speaker 4: Are calls for Israel to surrender to Hamas, to surrender

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Speaker 4: to terrorism, to surrender to barbarism.

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Speaker 1: That will not happen.

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Speaker 3: It is fundamentally a fight between civilization and barbarism. We've

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Speaker 3: reiterating that and leading this fight now as a prime

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Speaker 3: This is much more about Islam and Judaism. It's much

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Speaker 3: people frame the conflict in this country. It's it's very apparent.

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Speaker 3: And you see this with the way there's been BLM solidarity,

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Speaker 3: all the anti Semitism they're spewing. They think of this

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Speaker 3: of what Israel really is and who really lives there

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Speaker 3: that most Israelis are actually ethnically from the Middle East

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Speaker 3: fueling part of the left wing lunacy here, Clay. And

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Speaker 3: then there's different left wing lunacies or you know, different

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Speaker 3: Obviously we mentioned yesterday in Dagistan, which is think of

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Speaker 3: we've already seen. You know, Hamas, the notion of a ceasefire,

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Speaker 3: Clay Hamas is still a threat to Israel right now.

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Speaker 3: There could be another terror attack tomorrow, There could be

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Speaker 3: another terror attack in a year. The infrastructure that they have,

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Speaker 3: the planning, the plotting, the fighters are all still well,

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Speaker 3: unintentional collateral civilian casualties on the Israeli side are the

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Speaker 3: and that's really one of the fundamental lies of all this.

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Speaker 3: But they're asking the Israelis or demanding that the Israelis

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Speaker 3: an ongoing threat. This would that's why the al Qaeda.

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Speaker 3: Now people forget this. Clay I worked in CTC at

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Speaker 3: efforts after nine to eleven. There were ongoing efforts. People

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Speaker 3: forget this. We were very close to losing an airliner

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Speaker 1: It could have worked. Obviously they had a plan.

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Speaker 3: Obviously they were trying to take down an entire I

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Speaker 3: think there were like one hundred and forty people on

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Speaker 3: this plane on Christmas Day two thousand and nine. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So they were ongoing al Qaeda plots, ongoing terrorist threats,

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Speaker 3: and that was many, many years later. There were many

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Speaker 2: When it does, it allowed to fight back. That's that's

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Speaker 2: the important part. The ceasefire is not designed to actually

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Speaker 2: ever allow Israel to attack. And this was my concern Buck,

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Speaker 1: Do you really need to go in now?

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Speaker 2: And I give net and Yahoo credit for making a clear, concise,

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Speaker 2: I think very important argument, not only the audio we

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Speaker 2: Buck what does it say that NETANYAHUO is more eloquent

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Speaker 2: there's all sorts of issues domestically in Israel outside of

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Speaker 2: the Hamas attack. I understand. But Netanyahu is a I think,

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Speaker 3: Well, it's impossible for Joe Biden to exert real leadership

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Speaker 3: because anybody who is interacting with him is going to

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Speaker 1: Sometimes people say.

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Speaker 1: Here is Eric.

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Speaker 3: fifteen saying, look, if it were not Trump, jail would

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Speaker 1: Play it.

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Speaker 6: I just don't think so. I mean, I think there

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Speaker 1: Clay, this is to the point you are making.

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Speaker 3: going to be in handcuffs. This has been seven years

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Speaker 3: in the making. Okay, this has been the belief all along.

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Speaker 3: If you're an MSNBC faithful watcher, you think Trump.

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Speaker 3: on this? How does that look in an election year?

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think their belief up to this point has largely

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Speaker 3: been if Trump is in handcuffs and humiliated, independent voters,

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Speaker 3: swing voters, etc. Will flee from him, and therefore Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden will win. I remember we've said that's their belief,

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Speaker 3: but they may be miscalculating. I do think there are

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Speaker 3: some and I think Eric Holder is giving some voice

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Speaker 3: to this, who think that may be a miscalculation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think you have to start to break

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Speaker 2: this down in so many different levels. And the first

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Speaker 2: is I think if you had told Democrats they when

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Speaker 2: did this all start and they rated mar A Lago

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Speaker 2: for the first time in was that like August of

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Speaker 2: twenty two, Buck that the first mar A Lago rate happened?

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Basically you've seen every time they've they've upped the Lawfair

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Speaker 2: on Trump. Republicans have tended to rally around Trump more.

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Speaker 2: But what's interesting is Independents haven't abandoned him, and there

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Speaker 2: hasn't been that similar rallying force around Joe Biden. And

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Speaker 2: I think as we sit here basically a year and

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Speaker 2: a week until the twenty twenty four elections arise, they

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Speaker 2: spent twenty five million dollars in the toss up states

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Speaker 2: the swing states on Joe Biden advertisements, and his numbers

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Speaker 2: actually went down.

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Speaker 1: Buck.

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Speaker 2: They have hammered Trump and I think gotten basically every

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Speaker 2: benefit that they could possibly get from the lawfair that

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Speaker 2: they brought to bear against Trump so far and hasn't

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Speaker 2: dented him at all. And That's why I'm increasingly of

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Speaker 2: the opinion and maybe I'm going to be wrong, because

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Speaker 2: certainly a lot can change, but I just don't think

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Speaker 2: people are going to move off of where they are

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Speaker 2: right now. Whatever you think of Trump, it's all baked in.

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Speaker 2: Whatever you think of Biden, it's all baked in. What

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Speaker 2: could either man do that would make you suddenly think, Hey,

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Speaker 2: maybe my perceptions of either of these guys is wrong.

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Speaker 2: We've never really had a race like this in any

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Speaker 2: of our lives, where you effectively have two former presidents

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Speaker 2: that everybody has seen for years, that everybody knows.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think there's very.

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Speaker 2: Many moveable people, and that's starting to get I think

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Speaker 2: the Biden people nervous because they thought no way Trump

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Speaker 2: could win.

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Speaker 3: I also believe that an unexpected component of how all

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Speaker 3: of this is playing out is that not only do

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Speaker 3: you have the former president leading Republican presidential contender now

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Speaker 3: four felony criminal.

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Speaker 1: Indictments in different jurisdiction.

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Speaker 3: But you have that going on with a Democrat president who,

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Speaker 3: to anyone who is being even remotely honest, is clearly corrupt,

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Speaker 3: and whose family was clearly engaged in egregious influence pedaling

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Speaker 3: money laundering, tax evasion, et cetera, et cetera. And the

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Speaker 3: only question is, you know, to what extent it's provable

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Speaker 3: that Joe Biden himself was connected into that versus Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden was used by family members to that end. But

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, It'd be one thing if

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Speaker 1: To see here, you know, maybe they've covered it up.

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Speaker 3: Really well, we have a clearly corrupt Joe Biden with

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Speaker 3: a DOJ that is obviously.

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Speaker 1: Going after his political opponents. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: That I think makes it look even worse than it

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Speaker 1: would otherwise.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a big point here, because what's changed

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Speaker 2: certainly helped to Joe Biden. Joe Biden has gotten mentally

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Speaker 2: and physically weaker. But I think the biggest change is

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Speaker 2: the favorability ratings of Joe Biden have collapsed. If you

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Speaker 2: of these guys have high unfavorable ratings. In twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: I think it's because of the chipping away at the

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Speaker 3: Now check out her substack Declassified with Julie Kelly, also

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Speaker 3: aftermath of it. Julie, appreciate you being here. As always,

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Speaker 3: Let's start with Judge Chuckkins's latest. We were just talking

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Speaker 3: at the top of the hour about a Trump gag

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Speaker 3: order in the New York civil trial that he is

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Speaker 3: now according to the judge, he has violated, has a

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Speaker 3: ten thousand dollars fine and says things will get worse.

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Speaker 3: There is in the DC criminal trial relating to election

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty and January sixth, stuff. Judge Chuckkin also had

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Speaker 3: a gag order but then removed it but then reinstated

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Speaker 3: it or something. Bring us up to speed here.

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Speaker 7: Julie, right, So Judge chuck Kin and I have a

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Speaker 7: piece up on my subject. I was actually in the

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Speaker 7: courtroom on October sixteenth as she heard both sides debate.

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Speaker 7: Was she was very harsh and critical and confrontational with

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Speaker 7: of course Trump's defense lawyer, but very accommodating to the government.

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Speaker 7: So she did issue this three page, really flimsy gag order.

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Speaker 7: You would think for a non precedented ruling of this

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Speaker 7: nature that it would be really substantive and cite case saw.

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Speaker 7: That's not It's not the situation at all. So of

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Speaker 7: course Trump's lawyers immediately filed a notice of appeal asking

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Speaker 7: her to temporarily stay, which means holds her gag order.

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Speaker 7: She did that, but then at the government's behest she

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Speaker 7: lifted her temporary holds, citing his tweet or his post

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Speaker 7: about Mark Meadows. He's not supposed to make any public

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Speaker 7: statements about for reasonably foreseeable witnesses. So this is dozens

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Speaker 7: of people that that was somehow in violation of her

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Speaker 7: gag order. That there was evidence that he would not

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Speaker 7: abide by even the basic contours of it, so she

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Speaker 7: reinstated it where will remain in place until his appeal

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Speaker 7: is hurt by his free judge panel at the DC Circuit.

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Speaker 2: So, Julie, what we've seen and Buck and I were

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Speaker 2: just talking about this from the New York City Court

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Speaker 2: is they're just going to find Trump. It appears, you know,

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Speaker 2: five thousand dollars, ten thousand dollars, and those are relatively

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Speaker 2: minor inconveniences to Trump in some way. I mean, he

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Speaker 2: can even spend it as I'll gladly pay fifteen twenty

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars whatever it is to be able to say

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Speaker 2: exactly what I think. We played Eric Holder as well

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Speaker 2: saying hey, I don't think you could ever put Trump

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Speaker 2: in jail over contempt of court.

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Speaker 1: What do you think Chuckkin would do?

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Speaker 2: Because if we're all fighting over oh, she's gonna find

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Speaker 2: him twenty thousand dollars because he doesn't like she doesn't

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Speaker 2: like some truth social post, I think he would probably

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Speaker 2: be like, yeah, you know, I'll pay, and he can

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Speaker 2: appeal and see whether or not that's justified, and it

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Speaker 2: can go on to the court but if it's just money,

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Speaker 2: I don't feel like this battle is as significant as

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Speaker 2: it would be if there was any sort of potential

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Speaker 2: arrest or imprisonment for violating this What sense do you

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Speaker 2: get about how ballsy don't use a lack of a

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Speaker 2: better term, but how risk willing to take. I think

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Speaker 2: Baldy's probably the best judge Chuckkin would actually be to

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Speaker 2: put a former president behind bars because he violated a

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Speaker 2: gag order.

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Speaker 7: I mean, look, she's Balsley, she is ballzy, she is

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Speaker 7: highly partisan. She was appointed by Obama. I have a

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Speaker 7: lengthy piece to at real clear investigation I court through

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Speaker 7: thousands of pages. I think we talked about this of

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Speaker 7: court transcripts where she's made inflammatory prejudicial comments about Donald

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Speaker 7: Trump and his supporters. So this case should be nowhere

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Speaker 7: near Tanya Chuck, but here we are. I think she

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Speaker 7: sort of relishes the spotlight. She's a former dancer. She

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Speaker 7: came to the States from Jamaica to be a performer.

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Speaker 7: That didn't work out somehowsh go and ended up on

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Speaker 7: one of the most powerful federal courts in the country.

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Speaker 7: So I could easily see her sort of jumping over

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Speaker 7: the fine options and doing something even like home detention,

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Speaker 7: which is a consequence that they discussed in the court

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Speaker 7: hearing at the government's behest Molly Gaston, who is the

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Speaker 7: assistant US Attorney, walked through number of things that she

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Speaker 7: could impose if Trump violated this gag order, and certainly

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Speaker 7: imprisonment would be one of them if he violated it

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Speaker 7: once or twice, And to your point, saying, well, the

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Speaker 7: find doesn't matter. He's very wealthy. He doesn't care if

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Speaker 7: he's buying ten thousand or fifty thousand dollars. We need

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Speaker 7: to do something more severe, and that would justify something

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Speaker 7: like home detention or curfew or certainly incarceration.

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Speaker 2: Okay, sorry to cut you off, Julie as her, but

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Speaker 2: if I'm advising Trump, then I am, like, you want

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Speaker 2: to get arrested for saying something in advance of this trial.

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Speaker 2: I can't think of anything that would be better for

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Speaker 2: Trump than if they said, hey, you can't leave mar

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Speaker 2: A Lago.

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Speaker 1: That he just leaves mar A Lagos.

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Speaker 3: Say clear, he's if they give him home the tention,

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Speaker 3: you know what he's going to do, not detain himself

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Speaker 3: at home, right, Julie, I mean, and then what happens.

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Speaker 1: So that's my point.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think he I almost think Julie the

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Speaker 2: best possible thing he could do is keep pushing this

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Speaker 2: because if she arrested him before the trial even started,

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Speaker 2: it helps his kangaroo court argument immensely to say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they tried to convict me of a felony. The judge

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Speaker 2: put me in jail before it even started. I think

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Speaker 2: this would blow up in her face massively.

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Speaker 7: I think so too. And keep in mind, no matter

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Speaker 7: how the media describes this as a narrow gag order,

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Speaker 7: is just anything but fucking clay. This gag order is

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Speaker 7: public statements. It's not even criticism, it's not name calling,

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Speaker 7: it's not threat based. She is banning him for making

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Speaker 7: public statements about Jack Smith and his team, but also,

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Speaker 7: as I said, what she called reasonably foreseeable witnesses. So

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Speaker 7: take this as an example. You've got former Attorney General

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Speaker 7: Bill bar doing nothing but this non stop tour, this

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Speaker 7: smear campaign against Donald Trump, making all these accusations about him.

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Speaker 7: Trump cannot respond because William Barr, the government says, could

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Speaker 7: be a government witness in the trial. Now, of course

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Speaker 7: that's absurd. Bill Barr is never going to take the

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Speaker 7: stand in this trial, and he would never subject himself

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Speaker 7: to that. He'll have all sorts of options, executive privilege,

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Speaker 7: possibly five a lot of options to stay off the stand.

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Speaker 7: The government is not going to call one of the

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Speaker 7: most hated attorney generals by Democrats to have them testify

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Speaker 7: before DC jury. But yet this is the sort of

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Speaker 7: double standard that they're setting up. Bill Barr can say

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Speaker 7: whatever he wants and Donald Trump can't respond. So to

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Speaker 7: your point, even if he said something to contradict Bill

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Speaker 7: Barr and the accusations that he's making on Fox News

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Speaker 7: or in these speeches that he's given, then you just

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Speaker 7: make a statement. And then what is she going to do?

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Speaker 7: She will help expose the folly, the absurdity, the unconstitutional

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Speaker 7: nature of her gag order. So I would certainly encourage it.

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Speaker 1: Julie, what do you think I mean?

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Speaker 5: Because you've been following this so closely, and you've been

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Speaker 5: in the courtrooms, and this has been something that you've

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Speaker 5: you've been on in a way that you know, very

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Speaker 5: few others of any others have been so closely attuned to.

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Speaker 1: What do you think.

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Speaker 3: Jack Smith, in the in the DC trial presided her

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Speaker 3: by Chuckkin, what is the end state that he is

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Speaker 3: really going for. Is it just a conviction? And then

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Speaker 3: you know he doesn't really think beyond what happens there,

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Speaker 3: or you know, look like what does he think he

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Speaker 3: can get out of all of this?

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Speaker 7: I mean, I think he just wants quick convictions. I

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Speaker 7: am still not one hundred percent satisfied that he's not

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Speaker 7: going to bring superseding indictment. I know you guys and

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Speaker 7: I have talked about this, but.

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Speaker 3: But Julie, I mean in terms of punishment, like, is

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Speaker 3: it just to get the conviction, and then even if

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Speaker 3: there's no punishment, he doesn't really care because it's about

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Speaker 3: branding Trump a felon? Or do you think that the

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Speaker 3: Special Council actually wants to try to incarcerate him?

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Speaker 7: No, I think Jack Smith absolutely wants to incarcerate him.

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Speaker 7: Let's talk quickly about the timeline. The trial is supposed

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Speaker 7: to start March forth. They said this trial to be

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Speaker 7: four to six weeks. That puts us towards the middle

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Speaker 7: perhaps end of April. He will be quickly convicted by

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Speaker 7: a DC jury on these four really vague counts, including

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Speaker 7: obstruction of an official proceeding. After a defendant is convicted

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Speaker 7: it's two to three months before they're sentenced, so then

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Speaker 7: you bring the sentencing towards what the end of June

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Speaker 7: early July. Trump a defendant cannot appeal until he is sentenced,

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Speaker 7: so during that timeline he can't really even appeal anything.

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Speaker 7: Now there might be some special considerations for him, but

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Speaker 7: typically you cannot appeal until you're sentenced, so he wouldn't

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Speaker 7: even be able to mitigate any of this legal disaster

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Speaker 7: until the summertime. But absolutely they want Trump behind bars,

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Speaker 7: and so does Tanya Chutkin. She suggested it once in

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Speaker 7: court to a January sixth defendant that making a comment

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Speaker 7: that Trump is still a free man and not behind bars.

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Speaker 7: So this is a collaborative effort, and you know, I

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Speaker 7: know people don't want to think that this is really happening,

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Speaker 7: but this is why her trial is taking her criminal

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Speaker 7: trial is taking place first, is because this will be

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Speaker 7: the quickest conviction, a quicker sentencing to try to figure

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Speaker 7: out how to get him in jail before the election day.

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Speaker 2: Julie, you have covered January sixth, unlike almost everybody in

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Speaker 2: terms of the political prosecutions that have fallen it, but

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Speaker 2: followed it, what did you think of the Jabal Bowman

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Speaker 2: when they finally come out with the video of him

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Speaker 2: removing the signs his excuse that he was just trying

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Speaker 2: to open a door, that's clearly not true. If Jamal

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Speaker 2: Bowman were a Republican based on what you saw for

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Speaker 2: January sixth, what would have happened to him him compared

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Speaker 2: to being a Democrat.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he very well he would have been charged

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Speaker 7: with this fifteen twelve C two obstruction of an official proceeding,

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Speaker 7: which is the very vaguest post and run law that

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Speaker 7: more than three hundred defence including Trump, has been charged

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Speaker 7: with via this DOJ, and it's a very vague law.

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Speaker 7: All it says is anyone who attempts to or does

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Speaker 7: obstruct an official proceeding is guilty of this felony count

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Speaker 7: punishable by up to twenty years in prison. So he

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Speaker 7: certainly it was clear in that video that he was

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Speaker 7: trying to set off some alarm, whether it was the

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Speaker 7: door alarms when that didn't work in the fire alarms,

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Speaker 7: he also so he should have been charged with obstruction

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Speaker 7: of an official proceeding. Then he should have been charged

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Speaker 7: with interfering with law enforcement, because as the Affidavid and

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Speaker 7: other witnesses said he was near Capitol police as they

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Speaker 7: were trying to evacuate the building. He never went to

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Speaker 7: them and said he By the way, I'm the one

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Speaker 7: who pulled this fire alarm. Also obstruction of an investigation,

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Speaker 7: obstructing Congress. He should have been slept with numerous offenses,

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Speaker 7: not a local misdemeanor. He wasn't even charged with a

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Speaker 7: federal misdemeanor. He charged with a local misdemeanor. Flap on

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Speaker 7: the wrist. He'll be able to do it again. And

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Speaker 7: you know, I just heard from so many J sixers

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Speaker 7: after that whole incident. They are just infuriated because the

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Speaker 7: double standard. It's almost like they shove it in their

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Speaker 7: face because they know that there's nothing that can be done.

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Speaker 7: The DOJ. Matthew Graves to DCU as attorney won't be

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Speaker 7: investigating Jamal Bowman. I asked them they wouldn't confirm or

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Speaker 7: deny any investigation. They won't. This will be swept under

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Speaker 7: the rug and just added to the long long list

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Speaker 7: of double standard of justice for Democrats versus Republicans.

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Speaker 3: Declassified on substack is where you can follow Julie Kelly's work.

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Speaker 3: Julie has always appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 7: Thanks guys. Happy Halloween, Matthew Halloween.

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Speaker 2: I heard, by the way, Julie is also a anti

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Speaker 2: Halloween person like you, buck Well.

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Speaker 5: Julie's very smart and very wide, so I can't say

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Speaker 5: this surprises me at all.

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Speaker 1: I'm not Andy Halloween for kids.

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Speaker 3: Just to be clear, all right, you know, just to

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Speaker 3: throw that out there, I'm gonna have to show up

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Speaker 3: at Clay's Halloween party next year with the best costume

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Speaker 3: of anyone.

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Speaker 5: That's my nume.

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Speaker 1: When's the last time you dressed up in a costume?

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I have my twenties.

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Speaker 3: Probably, okay, maybe, but you did as an adult, as

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Speaker 3: a single adult, like living in DC, because Georgetown has

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Speaker 3: one of the best Halloweens anywhere in the country. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I wanted to see, you know what, what the ladies

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to.

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Speaker 3: You gotta show up with the Halloween parties to see

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Speaker 3: the lady costumes in your twenties.

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Speaker 1: So that's how it went, all right.

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Speaker 3: Don't worry though you can always listen to additional content

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Speaker 1: Today.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like I'm also starting an underwear modeling career, but

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Speaker 3: it's actually just a short podcast. I don't think that

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Speaker 3: underwear would sell very well. Really, it's like that just

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they're flowy. You don't know, then say Victoria's secret.

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Speaker 2: They went ugly underwear models for a while. I don't

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Speaker 2: think there's ever been anything other than ripped dudes in

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Speaker 2: underwear ads. Have you ever ever been a fat underwear

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Speaker 5: I will say that has not happened yet, you know, so.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I would sell. I think it would

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Speaker 2: if we were underwear models. So man owned it and

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Speaker 2: you had like a really interesting print on the brief.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, the point is the Buck Brief is actually

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Speaker 2: just a short podcast. We would do additional content, digtional

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Speaker 1: Subscribe to Claim Buck podcast for that.

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Speaker 3: You also got Carol Markowitz and Tutor Dixon's podcasts in

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Speaker 3: there and good stuff like that. Okay, speaking of content,

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Speaker 3: Disney has delayed the snow White reboot by a full

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Speaker 3: year now. Their official story, mister Clay Travis, is that

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Speaker 3: this is because of the actors' guild strike, but it

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Speaker 3: has already come out that there are major reshoots that

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Speaker 3: will be scheduled, and it is believe that they're going

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Speaker 3: to remove the very diverse seven. I think they're not

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Speaker 3: dwarves anymore. They're just like seven people who maybe yeah,

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Speaker 3: who are like not dwarves, but just seven dudes hanging

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Speaker 3: out or you know, people probably non binary. I don't

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Speaker 3: know they them. I'm not really sure. I don't really

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Speaker 3: know because it's crazy, but they're replacing it and it

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Speaker 3: looks like a they've made a or rather they're concerned.

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Speaker 3: They've spent already. The budget for this thing is over

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Speaker 3: three hundred million dollars. How do you spend three hundred

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Speaker 3: million dollars on a Disney cartoon live action reboot? Like,

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Speaker 3: how do you even do that?

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Speaker 2: I think my prediction, Buck is this is never getting released.

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Speaker 2: And for people out there who haven't followed this, the

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Speaker 2: star of the snow White the new snow White is

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Speaker 2: basically the wokest.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: She's like twenty three, twenty four, typical woke idiot, and

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Speaker 2: she's been getting interviewed and she's had all these clips

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Speaker 2: go viral, and they had a bunch of still shots

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Speaker 2: from the movie photograph, the movie shoot that went out,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's gonna be Was it the Batgirl

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Speaker 2: movie that they just said, we spent one hundred million

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Speaker 2: dollars on this, we're just taking the.

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Speaker 1: Tax right off. Yep, just took a loss.

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Speaker 2: Imagine how bad the movie would have to be if

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Speaker 2: you spent one hundred million dollars on something to just

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Speaker 2: be like, you know what, we're not even gonna put

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Speaker 2: us out, We're just going to take the tax right off.

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Speaker 1: I feel like they may end up doing that for

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Speaker 1: this snow White movie. Well, because if you make a movie.

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Speaker 3: That's boring or that's bad, but it's clear you tried,

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Speaker 3: I think audiences can forgive you and your brand can

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Speaker 3: kind of continue on. As as if you're Disney, if

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Speaker 3: you make a movie like this that it's based on

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Speaker 3: such an iconic really in many ways, the most iconic

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Speaker 3: Disney movie of all time, and you then destroy it

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Speaker 3: because of wokeness. You're not in a we made a

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Speaker 3: mistake situation. You're in more of a.

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Speaker 1: Bud light situation. Yes there is.

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Speaker 2: We're now in the era of anti branding, where a

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Speaker 2: lot of these companies are destroying the legacy that the

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Speaker 2: brand was created to further, and I think that's where

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Speaker 2: Disney is right now with snow White. I hope, by

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Speaker 2: the way, that everybody out there has a safe and

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Speaker 2: happy Halloween. There probably are some of you that will

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Speaker 2: be dressed as snow White because your kids may well

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Speaker 2: like snow White. Still good for you. I hope everybody

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Speaker 2: has a fabulous time, and I look forward to seeing

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Speaker 2: a lot of you coming through my neighborhood. I hope

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Speaker 2: even the Grinch of Halloween, spoop, Grinch, whatever we want

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Speaker 2: to call it, that Buck Sexton has a good time

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Speaker 2: giving out Halloween treats.

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Speaker 1: And we'll be back with all of you tomorrow